When you hit a large bird, think Seagull or larger, on the nose or windscreen traveling at over 180mph, it sounds like a gunshot. It’s not a dull thud as some may suggest, it’s a loud crack that can be disorienting. With no evidence of guts or feathers, it’s difficult to determine what was hit and an air turn back is the prudent decision.
Drones are dangerous! I was on a training flight over Cleveland OH this past fall. About 3000 feet MSL over Burke Lakefront Airport and instructor shouted, "drone!" I look over our starboard wing and see a grey, four blade drone about 15 yards off our wing and at our exact elevation as we zoomed past it. Glad to be here typing this note, now, and not the subject of some after-the-fact crash report.
I was on the plane and spoke to the Captain after he had flown us to DEN on a replacement plane. He said that he had hit many birds in his career but this sounded very different which is why he chose to return. After inspection it was established that it was a bird but the DNA was being sent for testing.
Good to know. As an FAA certified Part 107 pilot I’m always concerned about rogue drone pilots and amateur drone operators who are ignorant of the rules.
Whatever it was that they hit, it certainly rattled (momentarily at least) the entire crew ("4 up front today") but they made a nice recovery to safely get the aircraft back on the ground.....i say well done!
Wonder if they took off on Runway 28R or 1L or 1R. It is possible that a drone could be in the flight path but less likely on the 1's since those go out over the Bay. Our plane spotting team is at SFO today 3-24-24.... We were the stream that captured the wheel falling off United #35 earlier this month. When I heard him say 187 souls on board and 170 minutes of fuel I thought United sent the drone to tell him to get back and refuel because they were cutting too close on the fuel since the flight time from SFO to Denver is 155 minutes.
Very well done!! I flew for United for 29 years and never cut my fuel close. I am sure the fuel on board numbers the crew gave to ATC were erroneous. When declaring an emergency, pilots always give ATC the fuel on board in hours and minutes, never in just minutes unless the emergency is due to low fuel at the destination.
Something I've learnt from reading replies to similar comments on atc videos: the fuel remaining is based off current conditions/altitude, thus why the time seems incorrect when given at low altitude and why it change to longer during an emergency like if leaving bad weather /wind during a divert
Flying into Vancouver International 4 years back, the Air Canada I was on was over the city approaching runway, maybe 1000 feet. I looked out the window, and saw a massive quad copter ( like the First Generation Police ones) about 80 feet below the plane. I was last off the flight so I could talk to Pilots. I told them what I saw, and asked if they needed to report it. They smiled and said that if I wanted, I could report it. Then the head pilot said that he had hit two over them on two occasions while flying in Europe the year before. He did not think it was funny, ...
United at SFO is mildly cursed atm 😅 (United has the third largest airline fleet, they have 45% the market share of sfo by seat capacity, and while 'only' 5th for united flights, 2nd for seat capacity x km, so the chance of something being at sfo bring united is fairly high. The previous issues this month at or going to sfo appear to be combination of manufacturing defect/s [wheel?], maintainence, and/or FOD, tho no ntsb reports yet tmk. .... I got offly fascinated hy the wheeo situation and so looked into this a bit too much. SFO is my local airport, but oddly I think I've only taken southwest from it -- had no idea United had such a big foothole.)
@@raygale4198 It's ridiculous, if I were an ARFF, I would want to know quantity of fuel (liters or ImpGAL) potentially about to spill out and catch fire. How long they can fly is meaningless in terms of info for a firefighter.
To: ATC channel: So, the U.A. aircraft sat there for 27 hours.... Why not give more information about the passengers and the cargo/baggage?! Did the airline unload the passengers back into the terminal and their luggage? Did the Airline put the passengers and baggage onto an empty aircraft or borrow an aircraft from a rival company to get them to Denver?
Some controllers are just so bad. How does tower just kick an emergency aircraft off runway to ground without asking if they are able to and need anything first
Approach had already asked them if they required any specific assistance after landing, and the crew had replied negative, and then agreed to a right turn off the RWY after landing. There was nothing more the Tower controller needed to do or add.
SFO is operating with only one landing runway at the moment due to ongoing maintenance that will take five months. They can’t afford to leave the runway occupied as it will exacerbate existing delays of around 1 hour these days.
@@ian7379 apparently you missed the Asiana flight where they managed to completely close and send traffic to the other major airports in the area. Delays come after safety
I’ll say it now. Drones will eventually be against the law because any three-year-old can go into a store buy a drone and roll a duct tape and a GoPro and nobody questions it. A child’s drone will eventually bring down a commercial airliner… it is inevitable.
I’m not really familiar with FlightAware, but it looks like that was the first flight of the day with a departure time of 5:04 am. My guess is that the pilot was ticked because it would throw off the entire day, and maybe he had no time for coffee yet.
I assume he's talking to Real ATC or one of the other clickbait ones started in the past few years. VAS is the OG channel created in 2008 and predates this one by a decade.@@TheTransporter007
On your other posts, there seems to be a high volume of engine and hydraulic failures. Events such as the miracle on the Hudson are one-offs. Between bird strikes and other types of engine failures, there is a disaster coming. I would feel more comfortable flying in a new 727 variant that was updated with modern engines and provide the same or better performance at significantly cheaper operating costs.
I was gonna say I can’t believe there wasn’t an idiot commenting on Boeing yet. But nope there was someone after all. Avoiding these idiots in the comments is like dodging a squirrel crossing the road. They just appear out of nowhere.
While I get it’s annoying when people blame everything on Boeing even when they’ve got nothing to do with it, it’s kinda Boeing’s own fault for sucking so bad for so long. Eventually, ignoring safety issues costs more than being late delivering your planes. I’m glad it’s biting them, because hopefully they’ll, you know, straighten up and fly right now.
Speed tape and a paint pen actually. If the damage is minor and it will be repaired later based on where and the severity. Done it several times. Fuselage can take some damage and not affect operations.
@@alani2071same with other things, and so when those things can end up killing other people, there is the issue of how to regulate them to to prevent those dummies killing other people, which is... Deeply complicated. I've heard the rules are getting stricter and requiring identification tracker, but with people able to build their own, dummies will just do that... :/ There are quite a few atc videos here of airplanes reporting close by drones. Haven't heard of any crashes due to them yet, but bound to happen eventually :/
Bozos judging by their radio work at least one of them. Everything sounds metallic when you hit it unless it went off the windscreen they would not know. Birds are waaaay more common than drones. Anyway may be a gear door issue or flap that got stuck. I am a pilot and will not fly anywhere except in my own plane.
You think these guys are bozos because they said it sounded metallic? They've probably hit birds a few times and this sounded different. You think that's a possibility?
@@addskipper1 USA Today article regarding NTSB investigation of Asiana flight 214 CBS news reporting of people pointing high powered lasers at plane in/out of SFO on 1/9/2011 ABC news on the same thing as well as FAA and FBI investigating this trend. 11/12/2015 Report of broken drones on runway from CBS 12/10/2015. Another incident reported by NBC 7/12/2018. There's always news about this if you're local. San Francisco feels like a GTA server with people trying to commit the most brazen crime.
27 hours on the ground, so it’s certainly possible there was minor damage from something.
When you hit a large bird, think Seagull or larger, on the nose or windscreen traveling at over 180mph, it sounds like a gunshot. It’s not a dull thud as some may suggest, it’s a loud crack that can be disorienting. With no evidence of guts or feathers, it’s difficult to determine what was hit and an air turn back is the prudent decision.
« evidence of guts » 🤮
187 people who are now pissed at drone operators...
Birds, drones, 🛸 ufos, other planes, Chinese balloons. The sky is getting busy 😂
Yeah, also there was a couple of reports of a man in a Jet Pack over LA. As I remember that happened a couple of years ago.
Drones are dangerous!
I was on a training flight over Cleveland OH this past fall. About 3000 feet MSL over Burke Lakefront Airport and instructor shouted, "drone!" I look over our starboard wing and see a grey, four blade drone about 15 yards off our wing and at our exact elevation as we zoomed past it. Glad to be here typing this note, now, and not the subject of some after-the-fact crash report.
Illegal drone operators who constantly break the law are the dangerous, not drones. Just sayin'
What kind of idiot flies a drone around an airport?
@@53roger Just like AR-15s, ami right?
@@53roger Your post reeks, just like the pyschoes that buy, raise, train Pit Bull dogs, and claim the dogs are not the problem.
I was on the plane and spoke to the Captain after he had flown us to DEN on a replacement plane.
He said that he had hit many birds in his career but this sounded very different which is why he chose to return. After inspection it was established that it was a bird but the DNA was being sent for testing.
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Do you have emu's in the USA? If you hit one of them, you know that you are on the ground .
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Good to know. As an FAA certified Part 107 pilot I’m always concerned about rogue drone pilots and amateur drone operators who are ignorant of the rules.
Whatever it was that they hit, it certainly rattled (momentarily at least) the entire crew ("4 up front today") but they made a nice recovery to safely get the aircraft back on the ground.....i say well done!
It turned out to be a bird strike, but people will only remember it as a drone strike.
Wonder if they took off on Runway 28R or 1L or 1R. It is possible that a drone could be in the flight path but less likely on the 1's since those go out over the Bay. Our plane spotting team is at SFO today 3-24-24.... We were the stream that captured the wheel falling off United #35 earlier this month. When I heard him say 187 souls on board and 170 minutes of fuel I thought United sent the drone to tell him to get back and refuel because they were cutting too close on the fuel since the flight time from SFO to Denver is 155 minutes.
Very well done!! I flew for United for 29 years and never cut my fuel close. I am sure the fuel on board numbers the crew gave to ATC were erroneous. When declaring an emergency, pilots always give ATC the fuel on board in hours and minutes, never in just minutes unless the emergency is due to low fuel at the destination.
Something I've learnt from reading replies to similar comments on atc videos: the fuel remaining is based off current conditions/altitude, thus why the time seems incorrect when given at low altitude and why it change to longer during an emergency like if leaving bad weather /wind during a divert
@@MrSuzuki1187 .
The first requewst had an answer of 177 minutes that doesn't make 3 hours.
It's United's new fuel savings protocol -- take less than you need and glide halfway there.
The schematic at the beginning of the video clearly shows them leaving from 1R, for what that's worth.
Flying into Vancouver International 4 years back, the Air Canada I was on was over the city approaching runway, maybe 1000 feet. I looked out the window, and saw a massive quad copter ( like the First Generation Police ones) about 80 feet below the plane. I was last off the flight so I could talk to Pilots. I told them what I saw, and asked if they needed to report it. They smiled and said that if I wanted, I could report it. Then the head pilot said that he had hit two over them on two occasions while flying in Europe the year before. He did not think it was funny, ...
United at SFO is mildly cursed atm 😅
(United has the third largest airline fleet, they have 45% the market share of sfo by seat capacity, and while 'only' 5th for united flights, 2nd for seat capacity x km, so the chance of something being at sfo bring united is fairly high. The previous issues this month at or going to sfo appear to be combination of manufacturing defect/s [wheel?], maintainence, and/or FOD, tho no ntsb reports yet tmk. .... I got offly fascinated hy the wheeo situation and so looked into this a bit too much. SFO is my local airport, but oddly I think I've only taken southwest from it -- had no idea United had such a big foothole.)
hefoxed the wheel issue on the 777 was the wheel hub broke, Blankoliro had pictures of it, probably was damaged, hit something !!!
Was thinking same.
Pretty sure the term is footprint
@@oo-bb4qsoops, but nope lol, it was supposed to say foothold
Was a bird strike not a drone.
He had it right the first time 17,400 ponds is about 170 minutes.
Anyone who flies a drone in a restricted area should be automatically placed in prison for a year.
What restricted area would that be that they flew through?
@@bjneilan1 Every airport has a restricted area surrounding it.
You sound fun at parties
@@bjneilan1en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airspace_class
Well, run for Congress and pass that law. Off you go.
Is the name of the pilot recorded by FAA? Drones United would like to sue him or United Airlines for falsely accusing humans of wrong-doing.
always always always an issue with fuel in minutes or pounds or ..
Considering the dispensing pumps measure in volume I wonder why they don't use the universal liquid measure of Liters?
@@raygale4198 It's ridiculous, if I were an ARFF, I would want to know quantity of fuel (liters or ImpGAL) potentially about to spill out and catch fire. How long they can fly is meaningless in terms of info for a firefighter.
It kills me, especially in a case like this where that information is essentially useless. The plane just took off ergo LOTS of fuel onboard.
It seems ATC is concerned with time, CFR cares about quantity. I always gave both.
@@TheTransporter007 Can you cite a case where the response was determined by the fuel quantity information?
To: ATC channel: So, the U.A. aircraft sat there for 27 hours.... Why not give more information about the passengers and the cargo/baggage?! Did the airline unload the passengers back into the terminal and their luggage? Did the Airline put the passengers and baggage onto an empty aircraft or borrow an aircraft from a rival company to get them to Denver?
I don't have that information. And I don't even imagine how can I get it right after the emergency landing.
I hardly understood a word he was saying...
Just waiting for the “news”to blame Boeing for this too 😂. Just matter of time
Strangely I cannot find any news report of this incident or just flight UA1003 returned to SFO, if it occurred yesterday.
Was a bird strike
Flight Aware shows that they left SFO then turned around and came back on 23 March 2024. It’s kinda minor, I wouldn’t expect to see any news honestly.
You're not seeing news of it because it turned out to be a bird - just like the thousands of birds they hit every year.
Boeing and United are not to blame for drone ingestion. If they are, then Airbus and AA (who acquired US Airways) must be to blame for US1549
You need to change your title to birdstrike not drone strike
I feel bad for United. They can’t catch a break
That pilot sounded so sloppy.
Some controllers are just so bad. How does tower just kick an emergency aircraft off runway to ground without asking if they are able to and need anything first
Approach had already asked them if they required any specific assistance after landing, and the crew had replied negative, and then agreed to a right turn off the RWY after landing. There was nothing more the Tower controller needed to do or add.
SFO is operating with only one landing runway at the moment due to ongoing maintenance that will take five months. They can’t afford to leave the runway occupied as it will exacerbate existing delays of around 1 hour these days.
@@jaguar3248 oh so they can confirm fuel and souls repeatedly but not that an emergency aircraft is able to still safely vacate?
@@ian7379 hate to break it to you but if an emergency aircraft is unable to safely vacate, they can and will afford any delays
@@ian7379 apparently you missed the Asiana flight where they managed to completely close and send traffic to the other major airports in the area. Delays come after safety
I’ll say it now. Drones will eventually be against the law because any three-year-old can go into a store buy a drone and roll a duct tape and a GoPro and nobody questions it. A child’s drone will eventually bring down a commercial airliner… it is inevitable.
The government will ban kids from buying drones before they ban drones. Drones have proven themselves useful to society including to Ukraine.
The pilot sounded really hacked off - made him miss a hot date later ?
I noticed that at well. Definitely Captain Grumpy Pants
Probably not too happy about all the reports he is doing to have to file.... drone = much more paperwork than a bird
Sounded pretty normal to me. He was annoyed which is understandable. It's a hassle coordinating a return.
Initially it sounds like they woke him up!
I’m not really familiar with FlightAware, but it looks like that was the first flight of the day with a departure time of 5:04 am. My guess is that the pilot was ticked because it would throw off the entire day, and maybe he had no time for coffee yet.
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Since its a Boeing could it have been a piece of the plane itself?
Apologies for my previous (deleted) comment. I thought this was "the other" TH-cam channel. Your channel is great.
Thanks. Anyway that's great when someone shows me some mistakes.
I'm guessing you're talking about TH-cam's most infamous aviation ambulance chaser, VAS.
@@TheTransporter007Did I miss something? What did they do?
I assume he's talking to Real ATC or one of the other clickbait ones started in the past few years. VAS is the OG channel created in 2008 and predates this one by a decade.@@TheTransporter007
Another quiet little emergency lol
187 souls on board and how many ghosts?
187
@@Brockton153 wrong, there are no ghosts.
At least it has nothing to do with Boeing
Maybe the drone was a 737-Max model !
@@garymartin9777 🤣
On your other posts, there seems to be a high volume of engine and hydraulic failures. Events such as the miracle on the Hudson are one-offs. Between bird strikes and other types of engine failures, there is a disaster coming. I would feel more comfortable flying in a new 727 variant that was updated with modern engines and provide the same or better performance at significantly cheaper operating costs.
Wow…United at San Francisco again?! WTF..if going on there
Those 737 MAXes just can’t catch a break!
Just kidding. I know so many of them were sold.
UAP? 👀
I was gonna say I can’t believe there wasn’t an idiot commenting on Boeing yet. But nope there was someone after all. Avoiding these idiots in the comments is like dodging a squirrel crossing the road. They just appear out of nowhere.
While I get it’s annoying when people blame everything on Boeing even when they’ve got nothing to do with it, it’s kinda Boeing’s own fault for sucking so bad for so long. Eventually, ignoring safety issues costs more than being late delivering your planes. I’m glad it’s biting them, because hopefully they’ll, you know, straighten up and fly right now.
A little duct tape outta do it.
Speed tape and a paint pen actually. If the damage is minor and it will be repaired later based on where and the severity. Done it several times. Fuselage can take some damage and not affect operations.
The pilot is a drama queen
How on earth can they claim it was a drone because it sounded metallic? I know they are pushing to ban public use of drones but this is ridiculous
Drones are not the problem, it the brain dean people operating them where they shouldn't.
And how on earth can you claim it's not....from your keyboard. You are NOT in the cockpit. You can not have a clue. Captain TH-cam 🙄
@@alani2071same with other things, and so when those things can end up killing other people, there is the issue of how to regulate them to to prevent those dummies killing other people, which is... Deeply complicated. I've heard the rules are getting stricter and requiring identification tracker, but with people able to build their own, dummies will just do that... :/
There are quite a few atc videos here of airplanes reporting close by drones. Haven't heard of any crashes due to them yet, but bound to happen eventually :/
@@hefoxed Sounds like we don't know if it was a drone or not. We will have to wait for an investigation.
The plane has metal parts, so it's easily possible the sound they heard was in fact metallic in nature...?
Some idiots will claim boeing for that :D
May be slower but drive peeps.
It's all Boeing's fault
Is a Boeing …. Impacted with some Boeing piece perhaps 😮
May Have hit a 737 flying door
Am I the only one that doubts the "drone" excuse? These Maxs are a mess
More proof small retail drones can't damage commercial airliners. NEXT...
Actually ….. they can ….. numbnuts
This is TOTAL bs. Tell me you know nothing about commercial aircraft without telling me you know nothing about commercial aircraft 🙄🙄🙄
@@paulu7751 You know nothing about commercial aircraft, or aircraft in general;; or aviation; or aeronautics; or materials science; or basic physics.
Not another united not sfo again
United + SFO + Boeing 737-900Max (B39M). The *TRIFECTA.*
Proably something come undone from the same aircraft and hit it. It is a MAX and it is operated by United.
Bozos judging by their radio work at least one of them. Everything sounds metallic when you hit it unless it went off the windscreen they would not know. Birds are waaaay more common than drones. Anyway may be a gear door issue or flap that got stuck. I am a pilot and will not fly anywhere except in my own plane.
Sounds metallic. Must be drone because drones are made from metal. Perhaps it was someone in one of those ultralight flying string trimmers.
You think these guys are bozos because they said it sounded metallic? They've probably hit birds a few times and this sounded different. You think that's a possibility?
as distracted as the guy on the radio sounded I guessed he got hit by the door plug off the alaska flight in front of him or maybe skylab ;-)
Birds hits don’t sound metallic. They are a dull thump.
The eagle I hit left a dent in the leading edge along with some feathers. It was a loud noise nothing dull about it. @@iadcrjca
That pilot sounds confused. He even used a wrong callsign
He's trying to figure out what happened to his plane and what to do. If anything he sounds a bit p155ed off.
This could be his 4th or 5th flight of the day...every one with a different call sign
I always find the Yanks use very poor R/T procedures!
Brits always use textbook R/T procedures... all the way to the scene of the crash!
People like lasering and droning planes flying in/out of SFO. They managed to crashed an ASIANA 777 using a laser here.
what is your source
@@addskipper1
USA Today article regarding NTSB investigation of Asiana flight 214
CBS news reporting of people pointing high powered lasers at plane in/out of SFO on 1/9/2011
ABC news on the same thing as well as FAA and FBI investigating this trend. 11/12/2015
Report of broken drones on runway from CBS 12/10/2015. Another incident reported by NBC 7/12/2018.
There's always news about this if you're local. San Francisco feels like a GTA server with people trying to commit the most brazen crime.
@MrWhiterunGuard The only Asiana 777 crash was put down to a series of errors by the pilots
Your misinforming people is not appreciated. It was a pilot error, no laser involved. Unless you'd like to provide proof that is.
The Asiana pilot hit the dike at the end of the runway. Stop with the misinformation.