its because of the following! In aviation, both "Mayday" and "emergency" are used, but they have specific meanings and applications: Mayday: In aviation, "Mayday" is a distress call used in voice communication, primarily over the radio. It indicates that the aircraft is facing a life-threatening emergency, such as engine failure, fire, or loss of control. The pilot uses the word "Mayday" three times at the start of the transmission to alert air traffic controllers and other nearby aircraft to the severity of the situation. Following the distress call, the pilot provides information about the nature of the emergency, the aircraft's position, altitude, and intentions. Emergency: In aviation, "emergency" is a broader term and can refer to any situation that requires urgent attention but may not be immediately life-threatening. Emergencies in aviation can include situations like medical emergencies on board, fuel shortage, or a pressurization problem. Pilots may declare an emergency to receive priority handling from air traffic control, but without using the specific "Mayday" distress call. Instead, they might use the term "Pan-Pan," which indicates an urgent situation that is not immediately life-threatening. The key difference in aviation is the level of urgency and threat to life: "Mayday" is reserved for the most serious, life-threatening emergencies, while "emergency" can cover a broader range of urgent situations that require prompt attention but are not as immediately dire as those warranting a "Mayday" call.
Pilot: We are depressurized . Center: State the nature of the emergency Pilot: We are depressurized Center When able, state the nature of the emergency. Pilot: We are depressurized Pilot to Approach :Hey Portland Approach, Alaska 1282, emergency aircraft....... etc. Approach:Did you declare an emergency or just need to return to.. Pilot: YES, we are an emergency, we are depressurized... provides fuel information and passenger number. Approach: Just say again your fuel and passengers aboard I kid you not. This actually happened.
From a New York Times article this morning (no wonder the pilot was so freaked out!): "Ms. Homendy said the force of decompression during the Friday incident blew the cockpit door open, causing one of the pilots to lose a headset. Head rests were detached from seats, seat backs went missing and clothes were scattered throughout the plane."
The pilot did a good job. You could tell by her voice that she was stressed. Thankfully there was no loss of life in this incident. The ATC's could have done a better job, especially the first one who seemingly didn't understand the situation at all.
On initial contact the pilot and controller, both female, were garbled and rushing their messages showing a lack of calm that is required to bring such situations to the best possible outcome!
This was painful to listen on the part of the ATCs. Even when crediting them that the pilots were on masks, a lot of information was lost by the time the handover to approach occurred.
@@TeslaTitan I was thinking that too. But first we do not know if they squawked 7700, that would show them having an emergency on the radar screens. Now we saw an "EM" here in the video, but that is probably set manually by the creator of the video. And if they did not squawk 7700, the atc had to forward it via there system of calling the other controller via phone. And that also takes some time. So that information just could not have reached the next controller yet as he was contacted by the emergency airplane.
This is not abnormal; planes are handled by different controllers, before take-off, after take-off, and then if they need to return, they have to change to arrivals. It seems there aren't any communication between the various controllers, excepted for the fact a plane is Emergency. They ask the same questions over and over.
As they get passed off from different controllers enroute it’s critical they advise ‘emergency aircraft’ otherwise they are assumed just a normal flight. Hearing ‘Emergency’ in one’s headset will get undivided attention!
@@57Jimmy She did say “emergency aircraft” when she got handed off to approach, and approach still asked her 10 seconds later if she was declaring an emergency
This is probably the most annoyed I've been with the controllers during an incident for a while. How many times are you going to make her say the same thing before you listen? The first thing given was the nature of the emergency and intentions, still asked two more times. Asked passengers and fuel three times AFTER the pilot provided it. Didn't understand they had declared an emergency after stating it at least three times. Handed off to the other controller and they had no idea it was an emergency aircraft. Jesus people, talk to each other.
The proper call from the crew should have been "Mayday Mayday, Mayday!" FIRST. That would have avoided the confusion. Agreed that the ATC wasa little slow on the comprehension.
I believe the reconstruction is in reference to the visualization of the flight position not the audio (which would only have been edited to remove unnecessary clips from other aircraft etc) creator can correct me if I’m wrong but that’s my understanding as it’s how most ATC videos work.
One thing I would encourage any future (or current) pilots is to use a mayday call for serious emergencies. A mayday call gets attention. Then, you need to be assertive in what you need. It's very difficult because you are dealing with so many issues while remembering to aviate, navigate, and communicate.
I was on on board a small twin turboprop medevac flight several years ago when the door separated at about 10,000 ft. It was a very violent event but immediately afterwards my pilot only asked for a "precautionary landing". We had to fly about 20 minutes back to a suitable airport. I remember at the time being annoyed that he wasn't declaring an emergency. (He did an excellent job flying the aircraft and getting us on the ground so no complaints) I had my hands full trying to calm my patient down. We landed and an FAA inspector found that upon separation, the door came within 1/2 inch of taking out the tail. Leaving deep gouges in the fuselage. Anyway I learned that the real danger can be the damage that happens from the object once it departs the aircraft.
A depressation usual means the aircraft failed to pressurise and the oxygen masks drop. Not that the window fucking disappeared lol. It's usually handled well by dropping to breathable attitude
Not helped by 'uh we'd like to go down' rather than a clear 'Mayday Mayday Mayday' from the pilot. Bit of a sh!t show. Hope NTSB use this audio a learning exercise of how not to communicate.
Exactly! Just listening to this, I was saying to myself anytime now I expect her to say ,I SAID I HAVE A F$#%ING EMERGENCY!! I NEED 10K FEET SO PEOPLE CAN BREATHE NOW !! WHAT PART AREN'T YOU UNDERSTANDING?AND SCREW YOUR D#$N BOX ! 😂 I don't know who can stay that calm when being asked the same questions five times. Hopefully, the investigation comes back that this exchange is a missed opportunity for the ATC. They need to be faster with their comprehension of the situation and reaction.
ATCer could have been under a lot of stress and very busy. Would not be uncommon for ATCer to repeat something in a high stress situation, you would do the same thing. Could also have been radio/audio signal distortion and ATCer did not clearly hear what pilot said. There is also a duty manager at the airport so that would be part of any official report after the emergency situation.
@@nothanksmate From this audio all members remained calm. Also, it can depend on experience of an ATCer, a less experienced one is not going handle a difficult situation as well as a more experienced one. Plus, radio signals are not always perfect(volume, tone, pitch), statements have to be repeated when this happens.
Overcoming the initial shock, changing the mission goals from "fly to destination" to "land ASAP" within a few minutes, managing the uncertainty of more hidden damage. Respect 🎩
@@Cadence-qt2ux yes it's their job. If you keep taking them for granted, and fail to pay respect, they will go somewhere else where they earn the same and are appreciated.
The woman on the flight sounds harried and she probably was, but also you have to realize she was using the oxygen mask at this point. The sound from the mask mic is TERRIBLE, so that's part of the issue. I had an actual rapid D when flying a DHC-8 one night, and you put on the mask, establish communications, and then you chop and drop. Pull the throttles to idle and get down to 10000 feet. The only thing scary about this situation is that you really do not know what you have, you don't know if the structure of the airplane is broken, so you need to take it easy and not get all wound up. In my case, one of the outflow valves literally fell off the aft pressure bulkhead (hello?) and we lost the cabin in about 5 seconds at 18,000 feet.
Everyone has so much to say after the fact! It is easy to judge everything when there are no consequences. The pilots did an excellent job of determining the risks of landing over weight against the loss of life. I know they get trained for this....but pilots rarely get thanked for their talents when things go very wrong. These pilots did an awesome job! Everyone survived. 10 out of 10!
They lost their quick reference sheets during the depressurisation and the cockpit door blew open which apparently as intended but once again Boeing forgot to put in the manuals!
You mean Boeing actually has manuals? I thought they made things up as they went along😂 No way will I ever fly on a 737 Max, I'm just amazed there hasn't been more fatal incidents
It's very hard to criticise the crew, they got it down. I think what is highlighted is the need for the US to standardise to Pan and Mayday calls. 'Declaring an Emergency' can mean absolutely anything in the States now, and it's no wonder that ATC might think it's nothing if they hear it so much. It doesn't help when a flap disagree is the same as a depressurisation. This is a clear Mayday situation which should switch on the controllers to the severity instantly. In terms of the crew - pure pure speculation here, but it seems (looking at the video) that the crew waited for permission to descend. Given they have Radar and TCAS, Aviate first - start the descent, Navigate - away from terrain, Communicate that this is what you are doing. It sounds like as soon as the mask was on, the communication started which probably added to the workload of the crew given more questions started following. IMO the gold star handling of this comm from the crew would be Mayday Mayday Mayday, descending to 10,000, standby for further intentions. ATC will call if there are other planes in the way, TCAS as an another safety net. BUT - the crew got it down. Kudos to them.
Not to mention ATC is woefully understaffed at this point - controllers spend their shift task saturated and on mandatory overtime. But no one at the FAA wants to admit that it is leading to a reduction in quality.
Yet again the quality of ATC during an emergency leaves a lot to be desired. You could tell from the pilot that she was growing increasingly and rightly annoyed having to repeat what the emergency was and the fuel and souls onboard. This keeps happening and needs addressing in the US.
it's because of the following! In aviation, both "Mayday" and "emergency" are used, but they have specific meanings and applications: Mayday: In aviation, "Mayday" is a distress call used in voice communication, primarily over the radio. It indicates that the aircraft is facing a life-threatening emergency, such as engine failure, fire, or loss of control. The pilot uses the word "Mayday" three times at the start of the transmission to alert air traffic controllers and other nearby aircraft to the severity of the situation. Following the distress call, the pilot provides information about the nature of the emergency, the aircraft's position, altitude, and intentions. Emergency: In aviation, "emergency" is a broader term and can refer to any situation that requires urgent attention but may not be immediately life-threatening. Emergencies in aviation can include situations like medical emergencies on board, fuel shortage, or a pressurization problem. Pilots may declare an emergency to receive priority handling from air traffic control, but without using the specific "Mayday" distress call. Instead, they might use the term "Pan-Pan," which indicates an urgent situation that is not immediately life-threatening. The key difference in aviation is the level of urgency and threat to life: "Mayday" is reserved for the most serious, life-threatening emergencies, while "emergency" can cover a broader range of urgent situations that require prompt attention but are not as immediately dire as those warranting a "Mayday" call.
The ATC is asking the right question but the pilot can't think straight to give her a correct answer. Possible that the pilot is unaware o the exact situation but u would think she is... ;(
@@cturdo It seems that when US controllers hear the word "emergency" they persistently start asking questions that do not help the crew at all... As long as it hasn't been determined that it will be a rough landing why not focus on directions and communicating internally with the next controller instead of focusing on "souls on board and amount of fuel in (whatever crazy unit today)"?
Compared to the Southwest pilot reporting a similar incident caused by an engine fan blade failure; when you listen to her, it seems that she is just describing what she had for dinner the previous evening...
@@wordforever117 - that's because, like 99% of all US pilots, she refused to utilise standard 'Mayday' OP.... First she just shouts "Seattle, we'd like to go down"..... What sort of declaration is that? A simple 'Mayday, mayday, mayday, Alaska 1282 making emergency descent to 10,000" would have it clear that she was an emergency and her intentions! Then whenever she changed frequencies, she should refer to herself as 'Mayday Alaska 1282'... all the confusion in all this through lack of following SOP means that she spends more time 'communicating' through confusion and less time 'aviating'! I've only flown military, but have survived worse by strictly utilising SOP.....
@@paulsinclair3401I agree she should have got the mask on first then declared Mayday, issue and stated intentions. But it does appear her first transmission is before the mask is on. Could be a shock reaction.
I think ATC did its best considering you could hardly hear the pilot's voice and her voice sounded super distressed... (which I get but you don't want to lose your cool when something happens on your plane at any altitude... ;(
ATC: but what about is your emergency? Stop flying for a minute, I must know NOW. ATC. say again the nature of emergency, like 2-3 more times. ATC: are you reeeeally an emergency? ATC: ok give me those souls on board, like, few more times also. I’ll make sure to not pass those along to the next controller.
it's because of the following! In aviation, both "Mayday" and "emergency" are used, but they have specific meanings and applications: Mayday: In aviation, "Mayday" is a distress call used in voice communication, primarily over the radio. It indicates that the aircraft is facing a life-threatening emergency, such as engine failure, fire, or loss of control. The pilot uses the word "Mayday" three times at the start of the transmission to alert air traffic controllers and other nearby aircraft to the severity of the situation. Following the distress call, the pilot provides information about the nature of the emergency, the aircraft's position, altitude, and intentions. Emergency: In aviation, "emergency" is a broader term and can refer to any situation that requires urgent attention but may not be immediately life-threatening. Emergencies in aviation can include situations like medical emergencies on board, fuel shortage, or a pressurization problem. Pilots may declare an emergency to receive priority handling from air traffic control, but without using the specific "Mayday" distress call. Instead, they might use the term "Pan-Pan," which indicates an urgent situation that is not immediately life-threatening. The key difference in aviation is the level of urgency and threat to life: "Mayday" is reserved for the most serious, life-threatening emergencies, while "emergency" can cover a broader range of urgent situations that require prompt attention but are not as immediately dire as those warranting a "Mayday" call.
Wow! That pilot on the radio (PM) started her day climbing into the aircraft likely looking like Cheryl Ladd and climbed back out looking like George Burns! She did a damn good job for someone who sounds like in the early stage of her career! You go girl!💕
I too thought she was a low-time pilot. Saying yes to "the equipment" usually means firetrucks and foaming the runway for a belly landing. She might have known that the damage did not affect the landing gear or fuel tank integrity-- and she might not have been sure so let's give her the benefit of erring on the side of safety.
What is the controller doing?! If I tell you I’ve lost pressurization, declare an emergency, and need to return to Portland you need to start sending me to Portland. Not flying me farther from where I need to land. Then there’s no communication between the controllers on why the jet is returning and that it’s an emergency?
@@chrischarla424Yep. It takes time to learn and lots and lots of practice. A lot of people don't put in the time to really practice responding to emergencies.
This has to be some of the WORST ATC ever. Even though the pilot was wearing her oxygen mask, she still clearly states that they have an emergency, what the emergency is (depresserized) and that they need lower altitude. And yet ATC makes her repeat everything multiple times when they very clearly have their hands extremely full. For God sakes, pull your head out and pay attention.
No she screamed we are going to go down!! So now the ATC is wondering is it a hi Jack or wtf is going on? Took her like 15 more seconds to say it’s an emergency……that’s a long time in aviation to reply to ATC
@@tritontransport such a low probability of a hijacking post 9/11, especially now 23 years later and especially in the US. The biggest risk has become the flight crew which are the only ones with access. Like the Germanwings incident
@tritontransport Well, first of all, it is Aviate, Navigate, Communicate...... IN THAT ORDER. So, after the side of the airplane BLEW OUT, and after having to put on her oxygen mask so that she was able to continue to aviate and navigate, they're lucky she even gave them the courtesy of communicating as quickly as she did. As I said, both pilots had their hands full trying to figure out why their plane just exploded and whether they'd have a plane to aviate long enough to get back on the ground still in some semblance of one piece. They also have a ton of checklist to start going through before they land. Third, what I understood her to say was that "We need to go down followed by we've had a decompression." Since she was CLEARLY in an oxygen mask, any ATC even halfway paying attention should have been able to add 2+2 and come up with 4 like I and the vast majority of the rest of the viewers of this video did. She then went on to repeat that info several more times, even adding that they were an emergency aircraft because he wasn't getting it. I heard her each time without issue and it's safe to say I've had far less training than this controller has, so if I understood it the first time, he certainly should have caught on by the third or fourth time and she certainly should not of had to go all through it all over again when she was handed off to the next controller. She even gave them souls on board and fuel before they even asked for it since she knew that would be one of the first things they'd want to know. I would imagine that she did that, not only to make it easier for ATC, but also in an attempt I would guess, to get them to leave the flight crew alone so they could work the issue. But once again, ATC was asleep and she had to repeat that as well. Having said all that, I understand that ATC as a whole is overworked and understaffed and I wouldn't wish their stress level on anyone, so I usually give them a wide berth. But in my opinion, they dropped the ball on this one.
@@tritontransport So why are hijackings a hairs thickness from being zilch if the security is all for show? Because it isn't. those cockpit doors do not open for anything other than a bomb (that will open more than the door while at it) or really heavy tools pertinent to firefighters or something I'll assume. Not like you're would sneak that past the check-in playing it off as hand luggage. The curve on hijackings dropped like stock market crash after 9/11. Terrorists didn't develop a mass fear of flying all of sudden
She did at that start but she also clarified four times that there was an emergency depressurization and she was returning to Portland. I am confused why you are ignoring that part of the interaction where ATC clearly dropped the ball? Is there a reason for your oversight?@@tritontransport
That pilot was getting the plane down regardless of how high they were without circling. Even if they were at 20,000 just a few miles from the airport she would have been like naw I got this. I can see the airport and I’m on short final 😂😂😂 uhh ya we’re stabilized decending at 10,000 ft/min
That is a DOOR that was covered Over, it didnt just lose a panel or a window, It lost a door with a window that had been covered up. The 737 is not a Plane I would ever fly on thanks. The Pilot was OUTSTANDING, the crew was fantastic
ATC discrepancies aside, it's really lucky that nobody was sitting next to the section that broke off, and lucky that they weren't already at cruise altitude and speed. The First Officer seemed to be fairly new but she handled it well, especially her understandable frustration with ATC in the heat of the moment. I'll be following this one to learn exactly what happened. The last time a piece of fuselage came off during a flight was Aloha Flight 243 in 1988 when a large section of fuselage blew off the top.
In aviation, both "Mayday" and "emergency" are used, but they have specific meanings and applications: Mayday: In aviation, "Mayday" is a distress call used in voice communication, primarily over the radio. It indicates that the aircraft is facing a life-threatening emergency, such as engine failure, fire, or loss of control. The pilot uses the word "Mayday" three times at the start of the transmission to alert air traffic controllers and other nearby aircraft to the severity of the situation. Following the distress call, the pilot provides information about the nature of the emergency, the aircraft's position, altitude, and intentions. Emergency: In aviation, "emergency" is a broader term and can refer to any situation that requires urgent attention but may not be immediately life-threatening. Emergencies in aviation can include situations like medical emergencies on board, fuel shortage, or a pressurization problem. Pilots may declare an emergency to receive priority handling from air traffic control, but without using the specific "Mayday" distress call. Instead, they might use the term "Pan-Pan," which indicates an urgent situation that is not immediately life-threatening. The key difference in aviation is the level of urgency and threat to life: "Mayday" is reserved for the most serious, life-threatening emergencies, while "emergency" can cover a broader range of urgent situations that require prompt attention but are not as immediately dire as those warranting a "Mayday" call.
@@ezragonzalez8936 And of course we have PANPAN for those less serious emergencies that still warrant attention and is very clear, or should be to ATC professionals. Its a lot more difficult to mishear PANPAN and MAYDAY than emergency.
I give credit to Alaska. Flew out of PDX with them and they did a thorough check of the 737-900 to catch a crack in the cargo bulkhead for animal safety. Good crew and airline.
ATC: yaayyyhh... I'm going to give you delay vectors and box you in that way AND give the passengers by the hole a good 360deg unobstructed view of downtown Portland...By the way, do you want to burn extra fuel? What do you mean by I don't understand what the situation is and what I'm being told?
@@boudibla4011He did not know the situation. All he knew is that it is a depressurization incident. Normally, when it is only a very small leak, there is lots of time to prepare for a safe landing at that altitude. I don't know a solution, but if you saw the video, you know that the ATC could not have known that there is a large hole in the side of the plane. That information was never conveyed. The crew was also very occupied of course, they had to fly the plane with the cockpit door wide open. There is no fault here - but the fact is, that there was an information discrepancy. The ATC did not know the severity of the event. Normal depressurization events are very different, without time pressure to land immediately. That question is an example of the ATC caring about doing a safe landing, rather than him wanting to annoy them. With the information he had, he tried the best he could do. What do you think is the reason he asked the question? Because he wanted to make sure, that the people get on the ground as safely as possible. And with the mental picture of it being a normal depressurization event, that makes a lot of sense.
And the airlines want to go to single piloted aircraft? Thankfully there were 2 pilots on this aircraft. One pilot would have been overwhelmed and this would not have ended well.
yeah that idea is some incredibly stupid bureaucratic induced low level manager bs trying to produce artificially positive results to further a career they shouldn't be in
This is an excellent post of timely information. Just one note: If you can include an on-screen time stamp so viewers can see, for example, time of depressurization at 16,500 and time when 10,000 (safe breathing) was reached, that would be very informative. I hope you can either add time information here or do it for future videos. Great work, and thanks.
@@msjdb723 Thanks. I'm not sure. If the video is continuous and uncut, then these timestamps match the real-time events, and the only item missing is the life-critical moment when the plane reached 10,000 feet and people could breathe without masks. But the intro says some things are cut out, and doesn't say that the audio is kept real-time. In any case, the pilots did a brilliant job descending quickly and being ready to land quickly and safely.
I feel there is a good amount of sexism in these comments. If a male voice said the exact same things in the exact same way, they would be no "he was screaming" comments.
Yeah the sad insecure men always appear any time a female is involved in an incident. I sincerely hope they don’t have daughters, sisters, wives, or mothers that they talk to like this
Nah I don't buy that. I've heard panicked male pilots too (watched a LOT of these videos) and they didn't panic as bad. Nothing to do with her being a woman, probably she just had low flight hours. Captain was flying the plane, not her. If you want to see the opposite you only need to look to ex fighter pilot Tammy Jo Shults handle it like the boss she is. And in her case not only was a passenger almost sucked out and killed they lost an engine too. This lady still did 9000% better than the general public would do (male or female) in that situ and she got on top of her fright after a moment or two. She'll be a better pilot for the experience.
I've heard MANY other emergency situations with calmer sounding pilots. Actually this was the first I've heard so far where one was not calm sounding. Sully still for the win, and even WN 1380
@@ANT18621 humor has no place in safety related issues sorry, my ancestral relative Joey Grimaldi was very serious about making others laugh....the oxy pressure mask has its inherent problems in audio, we used to use "words twice" when comms were bad or unclear
@@ebaystars It’s a comment section on you tube dude, it’s not a safety course meeting, and if a pilot or potential pilot can’t differentiate the difference, he has no business operating an aircraft. Lighten up dude.
The Pilots was understandably and rightly so a little stressed at the beginning but as she realized Airplane was under control and passengers were OK, she also got hold of her nerves and begin to sound more confident. The flight attendants also played a key part in relaying the information about passenger safety, as well as Airplane's movements and controls not jerking, or shaking, and responding to Pilots input correctly, made the difference, and boosting moral and confidence of the pilot, otherwise, ATC was clueless, as to what was really going on with the Airplane as well as the Pilot and crew's situation.
yup....I wouldn't want to fly with that pilot...( granted, she landed the plane..) she sort of lost her cool there and couldn't come up with the proper answer the ATC was asking her. ;(
@@sunflower-oo1ffThe cockpit door violently blew open. The co-pilot's headset blew off. Who knows what else was blowing around the cockpit. In the passenger section, seat backs and headrests blew off in the sudden de-pressureization. Clothing and personal effects blew everywhere. It was a sudden, violent incident. I think she handled it well.
I'm a skydiver, so as long as I didn't get blown overboard during the decompression, I woupd have felt right at home inches from an open door at 12,000 feet.
There is a reason why FAA and EASA airworthiness certifications exist. You have to prove there is 1 in a billion chance for accident. Yes, this happened, but plane didn’t fall apart, it landed safely with a hole on the side and no one is hurt. That’s the most important part. They will analyze and fixed the issue.
The pilot had to repeat the same information. She reported at least three times fuel and souls on board and had to verify that the airplane was in an emergency. I’m not a pilot or anything but when trying to aviate an emergency airplane, repeating yourself to ATC is not something a pilot wants at a time like this.
I live in Hillsboro Oregon and was driving westbound on Cornell Road near Tanasbourne Town Center at around 6pm Friday night (1/5/24) and for some reason all lanes of Cornell Road were blocked at Amberglen Parkway. I found out that this area was below the flight path of this flight at the time this occurred. I wonder if debris fell from the plane and landed in the area. I could not see any emergency vehicles other than a city truck with yellow beacons blocking the street. It took me 10-15 minutes to get from Cornell to Evergreen (a distance of about 1/4 mile).
Center: Alaska 1282 when able say all States in reverse alphabetical order, skipping every 5th State. Centre: Alaska 1282 now do the Macarena at the same time.
“Emergency and need to descend” ATC “You want an ice cream with sprinkles?” That’s basically what we heard here. A totally unprofessional ATC the whole lot of them. It just amazes me to what training or empathy some ATC have these days.
Curious are you a pilot? or ATC? I'm surely not, but have heard enough of these to think they did okay. It seemed a bit odd that as they hand off one to another that the downstream atc didn't already know it was an emergency aircraft. perhaps all happens so fast.
What happened to "Mayday Mayday Mayday, Aircraft 1282 declaring an emergency, Requesting Immediate reroute and attending ground services. Mayday mayday mayday, Alaska 1282 has experienced rapid decompression, Executing emergency decent to 10,000 feet, awaiting clearance for emergency landing at departure point, Over"... have we cobbled ATC language to the point that we have to "declare an emergency" with 4 separate departments in ATC before getting clearance for a Mayday event?
7000 crossing HPSTR ... I'm surprised they continued the approach and didn't circle once to shed altitude. That's 7.5 NM from the FAF which is at 2000, so they needed about double normal descent rate for those 7 miles AND to slow down.
I suppose, when you think your plane is going to fall apart, you kinda want to get on the ground quickly! In addition the pilots never let the cockpit, so they never saw the hole, and don’t know how big it was, or if it was getting worse.
Thank you very much for picking this Accident up! Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 will become a famous Flight Number. Fortunately everybody survived - the single positive part of this Story!
Not faulting the pilots or controllers, however the US phraseology needs a serious rework for emergency aircraft. So many times the pilots had to confirm to ATC that they were an emergency aircraft wasting transmission time and the pilots time. The rest of the world uses "MAYDAY-MAYDAY-MAYDAY" for a reason, it's a direct instruction to ATC that the aircraft has a serious issue and needs number 1 priority, no ambiguity. All this "we are declaring an emergency" "Are you an emergency or just coming back" "YES WE ARE AN EMERGENCY" will kill people sooner rather than later.
Concur - a depressurization should be an immediate MAYDAY with no floundering around. Must assume the plane lost structural integrity and at those speeds a "hole" can become bigger very quickly. They got it back on the ground and thankfully nobody was hurt but it highlights areas that could be improved. I have NEVER understood how/why the current controller cannot keep the aircraft, switch the frequency with them or simply patch them in, and pass them off to tower control with clear description of what is happening. I am sympathetic to the controllers because they have a lot on their plate but seems like a simple fix to take workload/stress off the pilot and give them more ability to remain focused on what is most important.
I know, MAYDAY etc is pretty clear...this new staff don't know the half of it... gee...scary to fly in the first place, who needs to know that they are hiring people who don't know how to communicate ...Communication is everything.
It wasn’t a “section of the fuselage”, it was a Plug type door that departed the aircraft. This particular door is unused in AS’s configuration due to not being required by the amount of seats the MAX9 is configured with at AS. The door is visible from the outside but only has the Window on the inside visible with the rest covered by a sidewall panel.
The NTSB has put out a reward for finding the door plug, which should be somewhere in the Lake Oswego area. They need to figure out what happened. Those with the door activated don’t have this problem.
As a retired ATC I can say these controllers handling this situation are sub-par, at best. And I have earned the right to say that having been fully certified in an FAA enroute center and an approach control both. I’m truly embarrassed and ashamed listening to this playback. Horrible communication/coordination skills and no new clearance limit issued to this flight. How many times did the Alaska pilot state the words “declare emergency” and “depressurized”??? 4x? 5x? At the very minimum your first words as an ATC are “Cleared to the PDX airport via radar vectors…”. Then you’re covered in the event something catastrophic happens prior to landing. I don’t feel safe flying in 2024 with this young, inclusive, inexperienced crop of ATCs lacking the necessary critical thinking skills to perform their job in a safe, orderly, and expeditious manner
That's crazy... based on the map that section of fuselage came off directly above my neighborhood. Wonder where it landed? Really glad they landed safely, and glad it happened during accent when everyone was still buckled in.
I can see it now swarms of av geeks with metal detectors flocking the streets of Portland only to find out some homeless dude used the panel as his couch.
Now we know why the cabin crew always suggest keeping your seat belt loosely fastened throughout the flight - I certainly do. Another hangover from my days flying in military passenger aircraft is that I will only wear long-sleeved shirts, long trousers and decent footwear as that may, just may, help in the case of a fire and give a few seconds longer to get out. I have never understood those who think that flying in tee-shirts, shorts and flip flops is a good idea.
It's like that pretty much in every industry... but flying SHOULD be safe...too many people with no accountability, no pride in their work... no quality material used..and the list goes on.... but...we got AI now...we should be fine 😂
I had huge respect for Boeing in the past, and as a European found them far more comforting to fly in than anything Airbus made but that reputation seems to have gone down the drain now.
What part of " we are de-pressurized" is ATC not getting. Controllers dropped the ball big time on this. The tape should be pulled and used as a training tool. Kudos to the pilot for keeping that plane wings level & flying. Now Boeing, can you fix those damn 737s please?
It’s a plugged emergency door. Most carriers plug it, it’s only for carriers who put over 180 seats in. You can see it clearly from outside, but inside there’s a normal side panel.
I’m from the PDX area. A family member is a pilot, a Captain, for one of the major airlines that flies out of PDX. My family member was just saying at Christmas how “scary” (direct quote) it is now, with the new pilots. They have the bare minimum of flight hours. He’s basically doing on-the-job training, they are so green. He only brought this up after another relative asked their thoughts about the airlines now having their own flight schools now. Many of my family members were Military, so we ended up talking about how having that “muscle-memory” for the mundane and just… experience… prepares you to be able to act clearly in an emergency. And here we were, less than two weeks later, with such a situation directly in “our” air. The reason I mentioned I’m from the area is because on the news, and I don’t know if it wasn’t widely broadcast, that the Captain was flying the aircraft when the emergency was declared. Therefore, it stands to reason that the Captain was 💯 focused on what was going on w/the plane as they were probably flying with one of these very inexperienced pilots, who is whom we heard panicking.
She panicked but to be fair to her she got it together quicker than most of the general public ever would. She'll probably make a really good pilot some day especially with this experience under her belt.
@@neodonkey Yes, I’m watching the update from the NTSB lady. I didn’t know that the door to the flight deck had flown open. Their laminated checklist flew out that door, the headset flew off of one of the pilots, and there were other communications issues between the flight crew and flight deck. This makes the early panic make even more sense. And yes, they did come together and, most importantly, landed safely.
@michelle7399 Inexperienced pilots? Not long ago, you could sit right seat on an RJ with 250 hours logged time; now it takes 1500 hours! That could take a decade to accumulate! Today’s air transport pilots are NOT inexperienced!
@@thomashannah1828 I’m just reporting what my family member described. Along those lines, something about them going through the airline-owned flight school programs allows them to be certified without quite the same experience as others. Many pilots are former military pilots and have many more hours than the minimum. Airlines used to be able be more selective in hiring pilots. Now they are having to lower their standards as more pilots are needed. Anyway, I still find it a small miracle that the two seats next to the ejected door plug were unoccupied. And I’m very glad everyone was in capable hands. Now that they’ve located the missing door plug, hopefully they will figure out what went wrong, soon.
Honest question - when an aircraft declares an emergency, and the little red E shows up next to their icon - isn't the nature of the emergency, fuel, souls on board, etc. recorded somewhere too? Like, in a computer? So the next controller at passoff already has that info? Or are they hand written on 3x5 index cards and mailed or faxed?
It may be fair to change your video title to “ *De-Activated Emergency Door* blows out mid-air…” the fuselage not only wasn’t involved but, somewhat amazingly, wasn’t even damaged.
As of now a lot of MAX 9’s are currently grounded and flights are canceled due to the issues which includes United, Alaska, Aeromexico, and a few other airlines. Some airlines did not have the same issue with their MAX 9’s so they are currently active.
This sounded pretty terrifying 🙏 I'm glad everything went well P.S. I sent a message on the Facebook page with a tip, but I don't know where to find ATC communications unfortunately so I don't know if it's of any help
I literally told my sister who was flying to LA from London yesterday, not to fly with any American owned airlines,after watching Downfall-The case agains Boeing on Netflix.They don't care anymore, it's all about profits.
The lack of coordination among controllers during an emergency is really troubling. These guys are dealing with a significant problem (they didn't know how significant) and ATC asks the same things over and over, and one controller doesn't even know they've declared.
I understand the pilots being distracted... but the ATC seemed high as balls. Like.... wut was ur emergency or something? WE DEPRESSURIZED! (takes bong hit) what? WE NEED TO DESCEND BECAUSE OF DEPRESSURIZATION! oh.... can we like box you or whatever, man?
How long does it take to reprogram a flight from normal cruise to emergency landing? I imagine they don't have the time to calculate precise V speeds, etc and just want to get the plane on the ground.
Wow great video amazing editing and collecting this information. Only suggestion i have would be adding local time in the top right corner if possible.
The ATC system is terrible. A pilot shouldn't have to switch controllers 2-3 times and re-explain what's going on after each switch. The system needs improvement. They should be handed off no more than once...and it should be to the tower where they intend to go...and they should stay with that controller (if possible. I understand that isn't always possible). Keep the switching and re-explaining to a minimum. The pilots have their hands full already. It's like calling customer service for an important issue and being bounced around to 3, 4, 5 different people...and needing to start from the beginning each time, explaining what is going on. Imagine doing that as a pilot of a jetliner full of people during an emergency.
Important info about the situation in the cockpit from a CBS article this morning: “The force of the depressurization slammed the cockpit door into the front restroom door, damaging the restroom door, and it took a flight attendant three tries to get the cockpit door to close again, Homendy said.” “The first officer lost her headset and the captain had a portion of her headset pulled off. The captain and first officer couldn't hear anything in their damaged headsets once they were recovered so they used the overhead speaker to hear.” “A quick reference checklist kept within easy reach of the flight crew also flew out the door, Homendy said, adding that it was incredibly loud and chaotic on board.”
In my opinion- this information just provides more evidence that the cabin crew did a phenomenal job managing that emergency when you consider how calm and collected passengers were in the videos we’ve seen since!! 3 cheers for amazing flight attendants!
Its amazing how anything is understood clearly. It’s so gibberish filled and clipped. Its like the verbal version when the Doctor writes a prescription.
What the hell happened to "MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY Alaska 1282. Depressurization. Descending to 10000"? Instead, it's " Seattle, we'd like to go down". I'm sure all of Seattle was flattered but shouldn't there be a *_proper_* emergency declaration first? Edit 08Jan2024: Per the NTSB, "The force of the blowout caused the door of the cockpit to open and a laminated checklist and the first officer's headset both flew out into the cabin". Ok. Yeah, that would be scary and distracting as all get out regardless of training. 1) Put mask on to help guarantee someone conscious is flying the plane. Altitude of "only" 16k doesn't matter. PUT..IT..ON. 2) Get/keep control of the aircraft. 3) Let ATC know you're in a world of hurt while continuing #2. Yes, the lack of use of "Mayday" is an issue in the US that needs a final resolution but #1 priority is keep everyone alive and breathing.
@@wordforever117 they were at only 16,000 feet so it's unlikely that hypoxia would be an issue in the time taken to send out a MAYDAY call with relevant information and then don the mask - pilots in the later stages of WW1 often flew sorties that high, or even higher, in open cockpits, without oxygen.
@@wordforever117 Yes, they would need to get their masks on quickly to ensure no significant loss of awareness, but not in 10 seconds as you first mentioned. At 16,000 feet there is time for one of the pilots to control the aircraft (should be the No.1 priority) and transmit a comprehensive (and unmuffled) Mayday call, while the other puts on their mask.
She really didnt seem that prepared for this emergency… only thing she should have told the controller was mayday + need return and need to decend to level…
@@Jonas-vi1sl she said depressurized multiple times. By the second time the ATC should know what happened if she missed the first “scream. “ pilot obviously didn’t prepare for this, but who would guess a brand new plane on a calm day just randomly blow a hole in the middle?
I am completely baffled and disappointed in how ATC handled this communication. A lot of wasted communication when the plane should have just been brought back immediately due to a declared emergency.
Not at all. That amount of data was required for the insurance form they had to fill out immediately. Bureaucracy does come before emergency ("B" before "E" in the Alphabet).
She was a bit excitable at the beginning of the event, but she kept it together, regained some composure as they worked the problem, and had a successful outcome. I say a great job.
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Legend says that ATC is still asking for the nature of the emergency, the pilots' intentions and fuel and souls on board
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its because of the following! In aviation, both "Mayday" and "emergency" are used, but they have specific meanings and applications:
Mayday: In aviation, "Mayday" is a distress call used in voice communication, primarily over the radio. It indicates that the aircraft is facing a life-threatening emergency, such as engine failure, fire, or loss of control. The pilot uses the word "Mayday" three times at the start of the transmission to alert air traffic controllers and other nearby aircraft to the severity of the situation. Following the distress call, the pilot provides information about the nature of the emergency, the aircraft's position, altitude, and intentions.
Emergency: In aviation, "emergency" is a broader term and can refer to any situation that requires urgent attention but may not be immediately life-threatening. Emergencies in aviation can include situations like medical emergencies on board, fuel shortage, or a pressurization problem. Pilots may declare an emergency to receive priority handling from air traffic control, but without using the specific "Mayday" distress call. Instead, they might use the term "Pan-Pan," which indicates an urgent situation that is not immediately life-threatening.
The key difference in aviation is the level of urgency and threat to life: "Mayday" is reserved for the most serious, life-threatening emergencies, while "emergency" can cover a broader range of urgent situations that require prompt attention but are not as immediately dire as those warranting a "Mayday" call.
Yeh. Pilots are swamped but tell us all this un-necessary info, right now, and now and now and now.
she should have just said the emergency door was blown away
She probably did not know at the time
Pilot: We are depressurized .
Center: State the nature of the emergency
Pilot: We are depressurized
Center When able, state the nature of the emergency.
Pilot: We are depressurized
Pilot to Approach :Hey Portland Approach, Alaska 1282, emergency aircraft....... etc.
Approach:Did you declare an emergency or just need to return to..
Pilot: YES, we are an emergency, we are depressurized... provides fuel information and passenger number.
Approach: Just say again your fuel and passengers aboard
I kid you not. This actually happened.
She really should have said "We had a rapid decompression".
You wrote a little screenplay. Nice job.
@@Flies2FLLshe really should have said “Are you ####### kidding me??”
@@Flies2FLL Is there any other kind at 16,000'??????
@@JMHTruck32005 The verbiage would get the point across better.
From a New York Times article this morning (no wonder the pilot was so freaked out!):
"Ms. Homendy said the force of decompression during the Friday incident blew the cockpit door open, causing one of the pilots to lose a headset. Head rests were detached from seats, seat backs went missing and clothes were scattered throughout the plane."
Thanks for the information 👍
It also blew the check list out of the cockpit so they had to go from memory..
ATC: Be that as it may, please state fuel left, nature of the emergency and souls on board.
And describe the available dinner options. @@SeanEidge
i also read that a co-pilot’s hairpiece went flying too!
The pilot did a good job. You could tell by her voice that she was stressed. Thankfully there was no loss of life in this incident. The ATC's could have done a better job, especially the first one who seemingly didn't understand the situation at all.
ATC could have done a much better job. Pilot was excellent
She was the pilot monitoring NOT flying!
@@sotm6078in fairness I think the whole flight crew gets a pass on being a wee bit stressed given that they’re suddenly flying a 737 convertible….
It's also difficult to talk through a mask...
@@sotm6078rRight! Thank god the PIC kept their wits...this one sounded freaked out in the beginning.
The plane was landed safely w/no loss of life in a very adverse situation with a catastrophic potential. Amazing job by the pilots.
Not really sure what part of a quick descent, approach and landing was amazing...hmmm
Nothing amazing as far as we know by now. Not even a rapid decend, just line up on the ILS. Also had more than enough trackmiles to the treshold
On initial contact the pilot and controller, both female, were garbled and rushing their messages showing a lack of calm that is required to bring such situations to the best possible outcome!
The pilot could be calmer in the beginning
Lmao look at all these bots ^^^
This was painful to listen on the part of the ATCs. Even when crediting them that the pilots were on masks, a lot of information was lost by the time the handover to approach occurred.
I mean seriously “did you declare an emergency?” How can the controllers not have had that information!
ATC did a really medicore job. Too many questions, too little listening.
@@TeslaTitan I was thinking that too. But first we do not know if they squawked 7700, that would show them having an emergency on the radar screens. Now we saw an "EM" here in the video, but that is probably set manually by the creator of the video. And if they did not squawk 7700, the atc had to forward it via there system of calling the other controller via phone. And that also takes some time. So that information just could not have reached the next controller yet as he was contacted by the emergency airplane.
@@Ztbmrc1 The controllers can (and should!) still talk to reduce the workload of the pilots, if at all possible
@@TeslaTitanPortland ATC is terrible. They have made a lot of mistakes over the last couple of years.
Dude, how many times does she have to repeat they declared an emergency?! Glad everyone is ok.
This is not abnormal; planes are handled by different controllers, before take-off, after take-off, and then if they need to return, they have to change to arrivals.
It seems there aren't any communication between the various controllers, excepted for the fact a plane is Emergency. They ask the same questions over and over.
And it matters why?
As they get passed off from different controllers enroute it’s critical they advise ‘emergency aircraft’ otherwise they are assumed just a normal flight.
Hearing ‘Emergency’ in one’s headset will get undivided attention!
@@57Jimmy She did say “emergency aircraft” when she got handed off to approach, and approach still asked her 10 seconds later if she was declaring an emergency
Not funny. But I’m sure you’d do a better job in her situation (not)
This is probably the most annoyed I've been with the controllers during an incident for a while. How many times are you going to make her say the same thing before you listen? The first thing given was the nature of the emergency and intentions, still asked two more times. Asked passengers and fuel three times AFTER the pilot provided it. Didn't understand they had declared an emergency after stating it at least three times. Handed off to the other controller and they had no idea it was an emergency aircraft. Jesus people, talk to each other.
The proper call from the crew should have been "Mayday Mayday, Mayday!" FIRST. That would have avoided the confusion. Agreed that the ATC wasa little slow on the comprehension.
And it (atc) didn’t relay info to airport,
The issue was saying the same thing wasn't giving all the info.
Women
Well done with your prompt publishing of this incident!
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@@YouCanSeeATC isn't this audio a reconstruction as stated in your description, meaning fake?
I believe the reconstruction is in reference to the visualization of the flight position not the audio (which would only have been edited to remove unnecessary clips from other aircraft etc) creator can correct me if I’m wrong but that’s my understanding as it’s how most ATC videos work.
One thing I would encourage any future (or current) pilots is to use a mayday call for serious emergencies. A mayday call gets attention. Then, you need to be assertive in what you need. It's very difficult because you are dealing with so many issues while remembering to aviate, navigate, and communicate.
I was on on board a small twin turboprop medevac flight several years ago when the door separated at about 10,000 ft. It was a very violent event but immediately afterwards my pilot only asked for a "precautionary landing". We had to fly about 20 minutes back to a suitable airport. I remember at the time being annoyed that he wasn't declaring an emergency. (He did an excellent job flying the aircraft and getting us on the ground so no complaints) I had my hands full trying to calm my patient down. We landed and an FAA inspector found that upon separation, the door came within 1/2 inch of taking out the tail. Leaving deep gouges in the fuselage. Anyway I learned that the real danger can be the damage that happens from the object once it departs the aircraft.
That first controller absolutely had no clue what to do! Stunning
Not all depressurizations are emergencies.... an open door would be
A depressation usual means the aircraft failed to pressurise and the oxygen masks drop. Not that the window fucking disappeared lol. It's usually handled well by dropping to breathable attitude
Not helped by 'uh we'd like to go down' rather than a clear 'Mayday Mayday Mayday' from the pilot.
Bit of a sh!t show. Hope NTSB use this audio a learning exercise of how not to communicate.
@@justayoutuber1906 Or no door 😄
Pilot did an excellent job not yelling profanities at the incompetent ATC staff.
Exactly! Just listening to this, I was saying to myself anytime now I expect her to say ,I SAID I HAVE A F$#%ING EMERGENCY!! I NEED 10K FEET SO PEOPLE CAN BREATHE NOW !! WHAT PART AREN'T YOU UNDERSTANDING?AND SCREW YOUR D#$N BOX ! 😂 I don't know who can stay that calm when being asked the same questions five times. Hopefully, the investigation comes back that this exchange is a missed opportunity for the ATC. They need to be faster with their comprehension of the situation and reaction.
Agreed. Holy mother of God that was frusterating.
ATCer could have been under a lot of stress and very busy. Would not be uncommon for ATCer to repeat something in a high stress situation, you would do the same thing. Could also have been radio/audio signal distortion and ATCer did not clearly hear what pilot said. There is also a duty manager at the airport so that would be part of any official report after the emergency situation.
@@spartacusyoya If ATC can't stay calm and prioritise a MAYDAY aircraft I believe that have failed.
@@nothanksmate From this audio all members remained calm. Also, it can depend on experience of an ATCer, a less experienced one is not going handle a difficult situation as well as a more experienced one. Plus, radio signals are not always perfect(volume, tone, pitch), statements have to be repeated when this happens.
Overcoming the initial shock, changing the mission goals from "fly to destination" to "land ASAP" within a few minutes, managing the uncertainty of more hidden damage.
Respect 🎩
No Respect - thats their job
@@Cadence-qt2ux yes it's their job. If you keep taking them for granted, and fail to pay respect, they will go somewhere else where they earn the same and are appreciated.
The woman on the flight sounds harried and she probably was, but also you have to realize she was using the oxygen mask at this point. The sound from the mask mic is TERRIBLE, so that's part of the issue.
I had an actual rapid D when flying a DHC-8 one night, and you put on the mask, establish communications, and then you chop and drop. Pull the throttles to idle and get down to 10000 feet. The only thing scary about this situation is that you really do not know what you have, you don't know if the structure of the airplane is broken, so you need to take it easy and not get all wound up.
In my case, one of the outflow valves literally fell off the aft pressure bulkhead (hello?) and we lost the cabin in about 5 seconds at 18,000 feet.
Busy as hell would be my guess...And don't those mask's Inflate/Self tighten when you put them on?
@@JMHTruck32005 You squeeze and they expand. When you release them, they grip your head, kind of like in the movie "Alien".
What is the sensation of pressure loss at 18000?
Sound from the plane was easier to understand than ATC actually…
@@AndreSomers same, her voice is crystal clear compared to the static noisy ATC
Everyone has so much to say after the fact! It is easy to judge everything when there are no consequences. The pilots did an excellent job of determining the risks of landing over weight against the loss of life. I know they get trained for this....but pilots rarely get thanked for their talents when things go very wrong. These pilots did an awesome job! Everyone survived. 10 out of 10!
Nobody is saying anything critical about the pilots.
Who do you think you're defending them against?
They lost their quick reference sheets during the depressurisation and the cockpit door blew open which apparently as intended but once again Boeing forgot to put in the manuals!
You mean Boeing actually has manuals? I thought they made things up as they went along😂
No way will I ever fly on a 737 Max, I'm just amazed there hasn't been more fatal incidents
Everyone’s an expert when it comes to flying and airplanes, don’t you know that?
It's very hard to criticise the crew, they got it down. I think what is highlighted is the need for the US to standardise to Pan and Mayday calls. 'Declaring an Emergency' can mean absolutely anything in the States now, and it's no wonder that ATC might think it's nothing if they hear it so much. It doesn't help when a flap disagree is the same as a depressurisation.
This is a clear Mayday situation which should switch on the controllers to the severity instantly. In terms of the crew - pure pure speculation here, but it seems (looking at the video) that the crew waited for permission to descend. Given they have Radar and TCAS, Aviate first - start the descent, Navigate - away from terrain, Communicate that this is what you are doing.
It sounds like as soon as the mask was on, the communication started which probably added to the workload of the crew given more questions started following.
IMO the gold star handling of this comm from the crew would be Mayday Mayday Mayday, descending to 10,000, standby for further intentions.
ATC will call if there are other planes in the way, TCAS as an another safety net.
BUT - the crew got it down. Kudos to them.
No...emergency works just fine. No difference in outcome. You EuroBrits are just sore that we jettisoned the silly Mayday Pan Pan silliness.
Not to mention ATC is woefully understaffed at this point - controllers spend their shift task saturated and on mandatory overtime. But no one at the FAA wants to admit that it is leading to a reduction in quality.
How about the rest of the world switches to our way?
@@ridiculousblue9917 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I am also curious why mayday was never called. I thought pan and mayday were standard emergency calls
Yet again the quality of ATC during an emergency leaves a lot to be desired.
You could tell from the pilot that she was growing increasingly and rightly annoyed having to repeat what the emergency was and the fuel and souls onboard.
This keeps happening and needs addressing in the US.
You have some trivial priorities.
That’s cause ATC in the US is now subject to diversity hires instead of people actually qualified for the job
The ability of an ATC to listen, grasp, retain, and process information quickly and accurately is not trivial.
@@RLTtizME Like what?
Those things are trivial to automate. Have been for decades.
Yeah, hearing her need to repeat herself I was like WTF lol
We’re depressurized.
What’s the nature of your emergency?
We’re depressurized.
When able, what’s the nature of your emergency?
Dont forget....
Pilot:**checks in with approach saying "emergency aircraft"**
ATC: Did you declare an emergency?
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Also, for thr fourth time please say souls and fuel. I might ask a fifth time, we'll see.
it's because of the following! In aviation, both "Mayday" and "emergency" are used, but they have specific meanings and applications:
Mayday: In aviation, "Mayday" is a distress call used in voice communication, primarily over the radio. It indicates that the aircraft is facing a life-threatening emergency, such as engine failure, fire, or loss of control. The pilot uses the word "Mayday" three times at the start of the transmission to alert air traffic controllers and other nearby aircraft to the severity of the situation. Following the distress call, the pilot provides information about the nature of the emergency, the aircraft's position, altitude, and intentions.
Emergency: In aviation, "emergency" is a broader term and can refer to any situation that requires urgent attention but may not be immediately life-threatening. Emergencies in aviation can include situations like medical emergencies on board, fuel shortage, or a pressurization problem. Pilots may declare an emergency to receive priority handling from air traffic control, but without using the specific "Mayday" distress call. Instead, they might use the term "Pan-Pan," which indicates an urgent situation that is not immediately life-threatening.
The key difference in aviation is the level of urgency and threat to life: "Mayday" is reserved for the most serious, life-threatening emergencies, while "emergency" can cover a broader range of urgent situations that require prompt attention but are not as immediately dire as those warranting a "Mayday" call.
The ATC is asking the right question but the pilot can't think straight to give her a correct answer. Possible that the pilot is unaware o the exact situation but u would think she is... ;(
Expect the unexpected.
ATC didn't seem to understand what was going on.
Yeah, they didn't know that the panel is missing.
@@YouCanSeeATC But depressurization, emergency and twice "we need to get down and return" could've made it a bit more clear maybe. :)
What's new. 20 questions game when the second call was enough to figure it out.
@@VincentGroenewold I feel like there should be codes for emergncy types. Repeating same information again and again is just not efficient of helpful
@@cturdo It seems that when US controllers hear the word "emergency" they persistently start asking questions that do not help the crew at all...
As long as it hasn't been determined that it will be a rough landing why not focus on directions and communicating internally with the next controller instead of focusing on "souls on board and amount of fuel in (whatever crazy unit today)"?
you can really hear the stress in the pilots voice and they get it handled. well done to the flight crew.
Compared to the Southwest pilot reporting a similar incident caused by an engine fan blade failure; when you listen to her, it seems that she is just describing what she had for dinner the previous evening...
No wonder she is stressed. ATC keeps asking for the nature of emergency and her intentions over and over again!!!
@@wordforever117 - that's because, like 99% of all US pilots, she refused to utilise standard 'Mayday' OP.... First she just shouts "Seattle, we'd like to go down"..... What sort of declaration is that? A simple 'Mayday, mayday, mayday, Alaska 1282 making emergency descent to 10,000" would have it clear that she was an emergency and her intentions! Then whenever she changed frequencies, she should refer to herself as 'Mayday Alaska 1282'... all the confusion in all this through lack of following SOP means that she spends more time 'communicating' through confusion and less time 'aviating'! I've only flown military, but have survived worse by strictly utilising SOP.....
@@paulsinclair3401I agree she should have got the mask on first then declared Mayday, issue and stated intentions.
But it does appear her first transmission is before the mask is on. Could be a shock reaction.
@@paulsinclair3401
I promise I will never say mayday just because it makes youtube commenters' vaginas so sandy.
Wow first ATC really fumbled that
I think ATC did its best considering you could hardly hear the pilot's voice and her voice sounded super distressed... (which I get but you don't want to lose your cool when something happens on your plane at any altitude... ;(
ATC: but what about is your emergency? Stop flying for a minute, I must know NOW.
ATC. say again the nature of emergency, like 2-3 more times.
ATC: are you reeeeally an emergency?
ATC: ok give me those souls on board, like, few more times also. I’ll make sure to not pass those along to the next controller.
You just wrote the script for the next airplane movie.
I think the ATC was expecting the pilot to drop everything and go back and see what happened...
it's because of the following! In aviation, both "Mayday" and "emergency" are used, but they have specific meanings and applications:
Mayday: In aviation, "Mayday" is a distress call used in voice communication, primarily over the radio. It indicates that the aircraft is facing a life-threatening emergency, such as engine failure, fire, or loss of control. The pilot uses the word "Mayday" three times at the start of the transmission to alert air traffic controllers and other nearby aircraft to the severity of the situation. Following the distress call, the pilot provides information about the nature of the emergency, the aircraft's position, altitude, and intentions.
Emergency: In aviation, "emergency" is a broader term and can refer to any situation that requires urgent attention but may not be immediately life-threatening. Emergencies in aviation can include situations like medical emergencies on board, fuel shortage, or a pressurization problem. Pilots may declare an emergency to receive priority handling from air traffic control, but without using the specific "Mayday" distress call. Instead, they might use the term "Pan-Pan," which indicates an urgent situation that is not immediately life-threatening.
The key difference in aviation is the level of urgency and threat to life: "Mayday" is reserved for the most serious, life-threatening emergencies, while "emergency" can cover a broader range of urgent situations that require prompt attention but are not as immediately dire as those warranting a "Mayday" call.
@@RLTtizME😂
@@RLTtizMEATC: Your choices were either Steak, or Fish
Pilot: Yeah, I had the Lasagna.
Wow! That pilot on the radio (PM) started her day climbing into the aircraft likely looking like Cheryl Ladd and climbed back out looking like George Burns!
She did a damn good job for someone who sounds like in the early stage of her career!
You go girl!💕
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MCP
I too thought she was a low-time pilot. Saying yes to "the equipment" usually means firetrucks and foaming the runway for a belly landing. She might have known that the damage did not affect the landing gear or fuel tank integrity-- and she might not have been sure so let's give her the benefit of erring on the side of safety.
Cheryl ladd c'est la fille de l'acteur Alan ladd ?
@@boualemouidir7439non
What is the controller doing?! If I tell you I’ve lost pressurization, declare an emergency, and need to return to Portland you need to start sending me to Portland. Not flying me farther from where I need to land. Then there’s no communication between the controllers on why the jet is returning and that it’s an emergency?
Lots going on they neded to get a lot lower to land, all in all I think everyone performed well.Now Boeing and NTSB need to find out what happened.
That is what killed everyone on flt592
This is the new Gen Z generation in ATC.. maybe I'm wrong but Approach sounds very young. It will only get worse..
@@EmilyMcHugh-h5k That's what the WW2 generation said about you.
@@chrischarla424Yep. It takes time to learn and lots and lots of practice. A lot of people don't put in the time to really practice responding to emergencies.
😮 The pilot did well . Put yourself in that situation .
I would bet she's got some milspec training, based on her comms.
This has to be some of the WORST ATC ever. Even though the pilot was wearing her oxygen mask, she still clearly states that they have an emergency, what the emergency is (depresserized) and that they need lower altitude. And yet ATC makes her repeat everything multiple times when they very clearly have their hands extremely full. For God sakes, pull your head out and pay attention.
No she screamed we are going
to go down!! So now the ATC is wondering is it a hi Jack or wtf is going on? Took her like 15 more seconds to say it’s an emergency……that’s a long time in aviation to reply to ATC
@@tritontransport
such a low probability of a hijacking post 9/11, especially now 23 years later and especially in the US. The biggest risk has become the flight crew which are the only ones with access. Like the Germanwings incident
@tritontransport Well, first of all, it is Aviate, Navigate, Communicate...... IN THAT ORDER. So, after the side of the airplane BLEW OUT, and after having to put on her oxygen mask so that she was able to continue to aviate and navigate, they're lucky she even gave them the courtesy of communicating as quickly as she did. As I said, both pilots had their hands full trying to figure out why their plane just exploded and whether they'd have a plane to aviate long enough to get back on the ground still in some semblance of one piece. They also have a ton of checklist to start going through before they land. Third, what I understood her to say was that "We need to go down followed by we've had a decompression." Since she was CLEARLY in an oxygen mask, any ATC even halfway paying attention should have been able to add 2+2 and come up with 4 like I and the vast majority of the rest of the viewers of this video did. She then went on to repeat that info several more times, even adding that they were an emergency aircraft because he wasn't getting it. I heard her each time without issue and it's safe to say I've had far less training than this controller has, so if I understood it the first time, he certainly should have caught on by the third or fourth time and she certainly should not of had to go all through it all over again when she was handed off to the next controller. She even gave them souls on board and fuel before they even asked for it since she knew that would be one of the first things they'd want to know. I would imagine that she did that, not only to make it easier for ATC, but also in an attempt I would guess, to get them to leave the flight crew alone so they could work the issue. But once again, ATC was asleep and she had to repeat that as well.
Having said all that, I understand that ATC as a whole is overworked and understaffed and I wouldn't wish their stress level on anyone, so I usually give them a wide berth. But in my opinion, they dropped the ball on this one.
@@tritontransport
So why are hijackings a hairs thickness from being zilch if the security is all for show?
Because it isn't. those cockpit doors do not open for anything other than a bomb (that will open more than the door while at it) or really heavy tools pertinent to firefighters or something I'll assume. Not like you're would sneak that past the check-in playing it off as hand luggage.
The curve on hijackings dropped like stock market crash after 9/11. Terrorists didn't develop a mass fear of flying all of sudden
She did at that start but she also clarified four times that there was an emergency depressurization and she was returning to Portland. I am confused why you are ignoring that part of the interaction where ATC clearly dropped the ball? Is there a reason for your oversight?@@tritontransport
That pilot was getting the plane down regardless of how high they were without circling. Even if they were at 20,000 just a few miles from the airport she would have been like naw I got this. I can see the airport and I’m on short final 😂😂😂 uhh ya we’re stabilized decending at 10,000 ft/min
Best thing about that seat is your neighbor can't pull the shade down as you want to look outside
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Thankfully nobody was in those seats as they certainly would
Have died…… Boeing fails yet again
Lol
@@MrHav1kas long as a passenger would have had their seatbelt on they would have been just fine. The seat never left the aircraft
had this happen to
me recently after flying airlines for 52 yrs. so incredibly rude!! I gave him my worst evil eyes treatment. what a jerk!!
That is a DOOR that was covered Over, it didnt just lose a panel or a window, It lost a door with a window that had been covered up. The 737 is not a Plane I would ever fly on thanks. The Pilot was OUTSTANDING, the crew was fantastic
Calm careful.pilot..thank you all for saving all aboard❤
Absolutely incredible! They’re professionalism & solid training is what saved all of their lives
ATC discrepancies aside, it's really lucky that nobody was sitting next to the section that broke off, and lucky that they weren't already at cruise altitude and speed. The First Officer seemed to be fairly new but she handled it well, especially her understandable frustration with ATC in the heat of the moment. I'll be following this one to learn exactly what happened. The last time a piece of fuselage came off during a flight was Aloha Flight 243 in 1988 when a large section of fuselage blew off the top.
In aviation, both "Mayday" and "emergency" are used, but they have specific meanings and applications:
Mayday: In aviation, "Mayday" is a distress call used in voice communication, primarily over the radio. It indicates that the aircraft is facing a life-threatening emergency, such as engine failure, fire, or loss of control. The pilot uses the word "Mayday" three times at the start of the transmission to alert air traffic controllers and other nearby aircraft to the severity of the situation. Following the distress call, the pilot provides information about the nature of the emergency, the aircraft's position, altitude, and intentions.
Emergency: In aviation, "emergency" is a broader term and can refer to any situation that requires urgent attention but may not be immediately life-threatening. Emergencies in aviation can include situations like medical emergencies on board, fuel shortage, or a pressurization problem. Pilots may declare an emergency to receive priority handling from air traffic control, but without using the specific "Mayday" distress call. Instead, they might use the term "Pan-Pan," which indicates an urgent situation that is not immediately life-threatening.
The key difference in aviation is the level of urgency and threat to life: "Mayday" is reserved for the most serious, life-threatening emergencies, while "emergency" can cover a broader range of urgent situations that require prompt attention but are not as immediately dire as those warranting a "Mayday" call.
Thank you for this explanation.
@@ezragonzalez8936 And of course we have PANPAN for those less serious emergencies that still warrant attention and is very clear, or should be to ATC professionals. Its a lot more difficult to mishear PANPAN and MAYDAY than emergency.
I'm wondering if Boeing failing to install bolts on the door plug with no records about it either, was on your bingo card.
I give credit to Alaska. Flew out of PDX with them and they did a thorough check of the 737-900 to catch a crack in the cargo bulkhead for animal safety. Good crew and airline.
Pilot: "we need 10 minutes to sort thing."
Passenger by door: "land this plane already"
YA GOT 10 SECONDS
Door’s open….help yourself!😂
ATC: yaayyyhh... I'm going to give you delay vectors and box you in that way AND give the passengers by the hole a good 360deg unobstructed view of downtown Portland...By the way, do you want to burn extra fuel? What do you mean by I don't understand what the situation is and what I'm being told?
@@boudibla4011He did not know the situation. All he knew is that it is a depressurization incident. Normally, when it is only a very small leak, there is lots of time to prepare for a safe landing at that altitude.
I don't know a solution, but if you saw the video, you know that the ATC could not have known that there is a large hole in the side of the plane. That information was never conveyed. The crew was also very occupied of course, they had to fly the plane with the cockpit door wide open. There is no fault here - but the fact is, that there was an information discrepancy. The ATC did not know the severity of the event. Normal depressurization events are very different, without time pressure to land immediately.
That question is an example of the ATC caring about doing a safe landing, rather than him wanting to annoy them. With the information he had, he tried the best he could do. What do you think is the reason he asked the question? Because he wanted to make sure, that the people get on the ground as safely as possible. And with the mental picture of it being a normal depressurization event, that makes a lot of sense.
And the general public still think ATC is the ‘most’ stressful job you can get…. Well done to the phenomenal pilots in a job well done.
How many times does the pilot have to declare an emergency ? Holy sheesh 😮.
Protocol states 23 times.
You made me laugh! Have you thought of doing stand up?@@RLTtizME
she needed to declare Mayday
She's a woman, they gotta make sure
@@ezragonzalez8936 Nope. Plane flyable, all systems still working. No fire. No mayday.
And the airlines want to go to single piloted aircraft? Thankfully there were 2 pilots on this aircraft. One pilot would have been overwhelmed and this would not have ended well.
Couldn't agree with this more. A single piloted aircraft in that situation is asking too much.
yeah that idea is some incredibly stupid bureaucratic induced low level manager bs trying to produce artificially positive results to further a career they shouldn't be in
I will never fly with an airline that uses only one pilot.
This is an excellent post of timely information. Just one note: If you can include an on-screen time stamp so viewers can see, for example, time of depressurization at 16,500 and time when 10,000 (safe breathing) was reached, that would be very informative. I hope you can either add time information here or do it for future videos. Great work, and thanks.
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It looks like something like that is in the description under the video??
@@msjdb723 Thanks. I'm not sure. If the video is continuous and uncut, then these timestamps match the real-time events, and the only item missing is the life-critical moment when the plane reached 10,000 feet and people could breathe without masks. But the intro says some things are cut out, and doesn't say that the audio is kept real-time.
In any case, the pilots did a brilliant job descending quickly and being ready to land quickly and safely.
I feel there is a good amount of sexism in these comments. If a male voice said the exact same things in the exact same way, they would be no "he was screaming" comments.
Yeah the sad insecure men always appear any time a female is involved in an incident. I sincerely hope they don’t have daughters, sisters, wives, or mothers that they talk to like this
Nah I don't buy that. I've heard panicked male pilots too (watched a LOT of these videos) and they didn't panic as bad. Nothing to do with her being a woman, probably she just had low flight hours. Captain was flying the plane, not her. If you want to see the opposite you only need to look to ex fighter pilot Tammy Jo Shults handle it like the boss she is. And in her case not only was a passenger almost sucked out and killed they lost an engine too. This lady still did 9000% better than the general public would do (male or female) in that situ and she got on top of her fright after a moment or two. She'll be a better pilot for the experience.
4 rules of aviation: 1) Sound cool on the radios, 2) Aviate, 3) Navigate, and 4) Communicate.
i suppose you know all about emergencies in the air when flying a real plane ???
I've heard MANY other emergency situations with calmer sounding pilots. Actually this was the first I've heard so far where one was not calm sounding. Sully still for the win, and even WN 1380
@@ebaystars He’s actually completely correct, obviously the 1st rule is just a tad of good humor.
@@ANT18621 humor has no place in safety related issues sorry, my ancestral relative Joey Grimaldi was very serious about making others laugh....the oxy pressure mask has its inherent problems in audio, we used to use "words twice" when comms were bad or unclear
@@ebaystars It’s a comment section on you tube dude, it’s not a safety course meeting, and if a pilot or potential pilot can’t differentiate the difference, he has no business operating an aircraft. Lighten up dude.
The Pilots was understandably and rightly so a little stressed at the beginning but as she realized Airplane was under control and passengers were OK, she also got hold of her nerves and begin to sound more confident. The flight attendants also played a key part in relaying the information about passenger safety, as well as Airplane's movements and controls not jerking, or shaking, and responding to Pilots input correctly, made the difference, and boosting moral and confidence of the pilot, otherwise, ATC was clueless, as to what was really going on with the Airplane as well as the Pilot and crew's situation.
yup....I wouldn't want to fly with that pilot...( granted, she landed the plane..) she sort of lost her cool there and couldn't come up with the proper answer the ATC was asking her. ;(
@@sunflower-oo1ffThe cockpit door violently blew open. The co-pilot's headset blew off. Who knows what else was blowing around the cockpit. In the passenger section, seat backs and headrests blew off in the sudden de-pressureization. Clothing and personal effects blew everywhere. It was a sudden, violent incident. I think she handled it well.
Gotta admit that that's a good window seat
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I'm a skydiver, so as long as I didn't get blown overboard during the decompression, I woupd have felt right at home inches from an open door at 12,000 feet.
And all the fresh air! Wonderful! Brst view! 😅
Alaska is now offering discounted window seats.
There is a reason why FAA and EASA airworthiness certifications exist. You have to prove there is 1 in a billion chance for accident. Yes, this happened, but plane didn’t fall apart, it landed safely with a hole on the side and no one is hurt. That’s the most important part. They will analyze and fixed the issue.
No damage to the door frame, the door was not latched
The pilot had to repeat the same information. She reported at least three times fuel and souls on board and had to verify that the airplane was in an emergency. I’m not a pilot or anything but when trying to aviate an emergency airplane, repeating yourself to ATC is not something a pilot wants at a time like this.
I live in Hillsboro Oregon and was driving westbound on Cornell Road near Tanasbourne Town Center at around 6pm Friday night (1/5/24) and for some reason all lanes of Cornell Road were blocked at Amberglen Parkway. I found out that this area was below the flight path of this flight at the time this occurred. I wonder if debris fell from the plane and landed in the area. I could not see any emergency vehicles other than a city truck with yellow beacons blocking the street. It took me 10-15 minutes to get from Cornell to Evergreen (a distance of about 1/4 mile).
Center: Alaska 1282 when able say all States in reverse alphabetical order, skipping every 5th State.
Centre: Alaska 1282 now do the Macarena at the same time.
“Emergency and need to descend”
ATC “You want an ice cream with sprinkles?”
That’s basically what we heard here. A totally unprofessional ATC the whole lot of them. It just amazes me to what training or empathy some ATC have these days.
Curious are you a pilot? or ATC? I'm surely not, but have heard enough of these to think they did okay. It seemed a bit odd that as they hand off one to another that the downstream atc didn't already know it was an emergency aircraft. perhaps all happens so fast.
ATC = DEI
What happened to "Mayday Mayday Mayday, Aircraft 1282 declaring an emergency, Requesting Immediate reroute and attending ground services. Mayday mayday mayday, Alaska 1282 has experienced rapid decompression, Executing emergency decent to 10,000 feet, awaiting clearance for emergency landing at departure point, Over"... have we cobbled ATC language to the point that we have to "declare an emergency" with 4 separate departments in ATC before getting clearance for a Mayday event?
Hats off to the pilots for handling this situation like true pros
Sound like bad coms & panic to me. Bit of a sh!t show.
7000 crossing HPSTR ... I'm surprised they continued the approach and didn't circle once to shed altitude. That's 7.5 NM from the FAF which is at 2000, so they needed about double normal descent rate for those 7 miles AND to slow down.
They were going down really fast
I suppose, when you think your plane is going to fall apart, you kinda want to get on the ground quickly! In addition the pilots never let the cockpit, so they never saw the hole, and don’t know how big it was, or if it was getting worse.
Did you cross check that with actually flying your BarcaLounger to simulate that protocol?
I bet they didn’t worry too much about the speed as those are long runways.
I guess so, especially since they had a tail wind , 160 at 11.@@derekl9702
Amazing job by the captain and crew 👌🏼❤️
What is it with the tower? How often are they going to ask if they declared an emergcy?
Thank you very much for picking this Accident up! Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 will become a famous Flight Number. Fortunately everybody survived - the single positive part of this Story!
Not faulting the pilots or controllers, however the US phraseology needs a serious rework for emergency aircraft. So many times the pilots had to confirm to ATC that they were an emergency aircraft wasting transmission time and the pilots time. The rest of the world uses "MAYDAY-MAYDAY-MAYDAY" for a reason, it's a direct instruction to ATC that the aircraft has a serious issue and needs number 1 priority, no ambiguity. All this "we are declaring an emergency" "Are you an emergency or just coming back" "YES WE ARE AN EMERGENCY" will kill people sooner rather than later.
Concur - a depressurization should be an immediate MAYDAY with no floundering around. Must assume the plane lost structural integrity and at those speeds a "hole" can become bigger very quickly. They got it back on the ground and thankfully nobody was hurt but it highlights areas that could be improved. I have NEVER understood how/why the current controller cannot keep the aircraft, switch the frequency with them or simply patch them in, and pass them off to tower control with clear description of what is happening. I am sympathetic to the controllers because they have a lot on their plate but seems like a simple fix to take workload/stress off the pilot and give them more ability to remain focused on what is most important.
I know, MAYDAY etc is pretty clear...this new staff don't know the half of it... gee...scary to fly in the first place, who needs to know that they are hiring people who don't know how to communicate ...Communication is everything.
@@christophersmith5303and God knows what the flying piece of fuselage strikes either.
Thank You so much for this! Well done as always. The new stations should ask you for your content.
It wasn’t a “section of the fuselage”, it was a Plug type door that departed the aircraft. This particular door is unused in AS’s configuration due to not being required by the amount of seats the MAX9 is configured with at AS. The door is visible from the outside but only has the Window on the inside visible with the rest covered by a sidewall panel.
It's not a plug door. It is a plugged door. All other 737 doors are plug doors. The newest added 5th door is an outward opening door.
The NTSB has put out a reward for finding the door plug, which should be somewhere in the Lake Oswego area. They need to figure out what happened. Those with the door activated don’t have this problem.
That pilot lady! A true angel handling this emergency! Respect!
As a retired ATC I can say these controllers handling this situation are sub-par, at best. And I have earned the right to say that having been fully certified in an FAA enroute center and an approach control both. I’m truly embarrassed and ashamed listening to this playback. Horrible communication/coordination skills and no new clearance limit issued to this flight. How many times did the Alaska pilot state the words “declare emergency” and “depressurized”??? 4x? 5x? At the very minimum your first words as an ATC are “Cleared to the PDX airport via radar vectors…”. Then you’re covered in the event something catastrophic happens prior to landing. I don’t feel safe flying in 2024 with this young, inclusive, inexperienced crop of ATCs lacking the necessary critical thinking skills to perform their job in a safe, orderly, and expeditious manner
I couldn’t agree more
Curious, could you explain how the word 'inclusive' is meant here? Millennial? Female? Martian? (ok, the last is sarcastic, but I truly am curious.)
That's crazy... based on the map that section of fuselage came off directly above my neighborhood. Wonder where it landed? Really glad they landed safely, and glad it happened during accent when everyone was still buckled in.
Go find it
I can see it now swarms of av geeks with metal detectors flocking the streets of Portland only to find out some homeless dude used the panel as his couch.
This part is now being used as a door in a homeless tent...
Now we know why the cabin crew always suggest keeping your seat belt loosely fastened throughout the flight - I certainly do. Another hangover from my days flying in military passenger aircraft is that I will only wear long-sleeved shirts, long trousers and decent footwear as that may, just may, help in the case of a fire and give a few seconds longer to get out. I have never understood those who think that flying in tee-shirts, shorts and flip flops is a good idea.
Probably a couple miles SE of you. Probably on Craigslist already.
I live in the Portland-Metro area. Now I am curious about where the piece of fuselage fell.
At least it wasn't a coffin .
door to door delivery
PDX? Statistically, it should be in a Starbuck's parking lot.
Door landed near 217 and hwy 26 (Barnes Road). And a cellphone, and a headrest.
These controllers are exactly as competent as I’d expect in Portland. Didn’t know it was emergency, kept asking same questions… unacceptable
These controllers need to go back to training or something. I mean it's like they were not even listening to this pilot. Great job to the Alaska crew.
The 737 max should never have been considered airworthy ever again after the last two disasters
ATC not expecting the unexpected....good grief, someone should have declared emergency for them!
thanks from Thailand putting the ATC + overlay on
Excellent job by pilots and crew.
Sad to see Boeing go from having a stellar reputation in decades past to having doors blow off on brand new aircraft.
It's like that pretty much in every industry... but flying SHOULD be safe...too many people with no accountability, no pride in their work... no quality material used..and the list goes on.... but...we got AI now...we should be fine 😂
I had huge respect for Boeing in the past, and as a European found them far more comforting to fly in than anything Airbus made but that reputation seems to have gone down the drain now.
What part of " we are de-pressurized" is ATC not getting. Controllers dropped the ball big time on this. The tape should be pulled and used as a training tool. Kudos to the pilot for keeping that plane wings level & flying. Now Boeing, can you fix those damn 737s please?
Very good turnaround, Thanks!
Was this an optional emergency door? That section looks so door like but just a regular wall section.
It’s a plugged emergency door. Most carriers plug it, it’s only for carriers who put over 180 seats in. You can see it clearly from outside, but inside there’s a normal side panel.
It's optional on the Max 9 apparently 🤣
It is a door.
@@RLTtizME Oh look its the Boeing Fanboy all over this Thread pointing fingers.
IT WAS NOT A DOOR!
It was a fitted panel in place of a door.
@@1chish Nope, it's a door. Typical plug door and you can see the fixed door stops, mounted on the fuselage, in any one of the good photos.
I’m from the PDX area. A family member is a pilot, a Captain, for one of the major airlines that flies out of PDX. My family member was just saying at Christmas how “scary” (direct quote) it is now, with the new pilots. They have the bare minimum of flight hours. He’s basically doing on-the-job training, they are so green. He only brought this up after another relative asked their thoughts about the airlines now having their own flight schools now. Many of my family members were Military, so we ended up talking about how having that “muscle-memory” for the mundane and just… experience… prepares you to be able to act clearly in an emergency. And here we were, less than two weeks later, with such a situation directly in “our” air.
The reason I mentioned I’m from the area is because on the news, and I don’t know if it wasn’t widely broadcast, that the Captain was flying the aircraft when the emergency was declared. Therefore, it stands to reason that the Captain was 💯 focused on what was going on w/the plane as they were probably flying with one of these very inexperienced pilots, who is whom we heard panicking.
She panicked but to be fair to her she got it together quicker than most of the general public ever would. She'll probably make a really good pilot some day especially with this experience under her belt.
@@neodonkey Yes, I’m watching the update from the NTSB lady. I didn’t know that the door to the flight deck had flown open. Their laminated checklist flew out that door, the headset flew off of one of the pilots, and there were other communications issues between the flight crew and flight deck. This makes the early panic make even more sense. And yes, they did come together and, most importantly, landed safely.
@michelle7399 Inexperienced pilots? Not long ago, you could sit right seat on an RJ with 250 hours logged time; now it takes 1500 hours! That could take a decade to accumulate! Today’s air transport pilots are NOT inexperienced!
@@thomashannah1828 I’m just reporting what my family member described. Along those lines, something about them going through the airline-owned flight school programs allows them to be certified without quite the same experience as others. Many pilots are former military pilots and have many more hours than the minimum. Airlines used to be able be more selective in hiring pilots. Now they are having to lower their standards as more pilots are needed.
Anyway, I still find it a small miracle that the two seats next to the ejected door plug were unoccupied. And I’m very glad everyone was in capable hands. Now that they’ve located the missing door plug, hopefully they will figure out what went wrong, soon.
LOL Portland has a point called HPSTER? Brilliant!
Thank you for sharing
Now I believe the whistleblowers said about the poor quality of Boeing planes.
Honest question - when an aircraft declares an emergency, and the little red E shows up next to their icon - isn't the nature of the emergency, fuel, souls on board, etc. recorded somewhere too? Like, in a computer? So the next controller at passoff already has that info? Or are they hand written on 3x5 index cards and mailed or faxed?
Mailed 🤣
"but are you SURE you don't want to be Boxed around????"
It may be fair to change your video title to “ *De-Activated Emergency Door* blows out mid-air…” the fuselage not only wasn’t involved but, somewhat amazingly, wasn’t even damaged.
CONGRATULATIONS, MY GOSH, NERVES OF STEEL!
As of now a lot of MAX 9’s are currently grounded and flights are canceled due to the issues which includes United, Alaska, Aeromexico, and a few other airlines. Some airlines did not have the same issue with their MAX 9’s so they are currently active.
This sounded pretty terrifying 🙏 I'm glad everything went well
P.S. I sent a message on the Facebook page with a tip, but I don't know where to find ATC communications unfortunately so I don't know if it's of any help
I didn't even know you could do, and I do follow this channel on Facebook and X. I'll keep an eye out next time.
@@msjdb723 I saw the text at the end of the video for sending in tips
I literally told my sister who was flying to LA from London yesterday, not to fly with any American owned airlines,after watching Downfall-The case agains Boeing on Netflix.They don't care anymore, it's all about profits.
Credit to the pilots. Great Job.thank you!
The lack of coordination among controllers during an emergency is really troubling. These guys are dealing with a significant problem (they didn't know how significant) and ATC asks the same things over and over, and one controller doesn't even know they've declared.
I understand the pilots being distracted... but the ATC seemed high as balls. Like.... wut was ur emergency or something? WE DEPRESSURIZED! (takes bong hit) what? WE NEED TO DESCEND BECAUSE OF DEPRESSURIZATION! oh.... can we like box you or whatever, man?
Totally
Gurgles water…we have 18900 gallons…
Hold please…I need to change the bong water 💦 sorry what was your emergency again?
Damn it bro. That ATC looked like new pilots on Vatsim that can't memorize the assigned squawk code...
How long does it take to reprogram a flight from normal cruise to emergency landing? I imagine they don't have the time to calculate precise V speeds, etc and just want to get the plane on the ground.
5-10 min probably. The FMC will tell them their speeds once they get the approach and weather put in.
Wow great video amazing editing and collecting this information. Only suggestion i have would be adding local time in the top right corner if possible.
The ATC system is terrible. A pilot shouldn't have to switch controllers 2-3 times and re-explain what's going on after each switch. The system needs improvement. They should be handed off no more than once...and it should be to the tower where they intend to go...and they should stay with that controller (if possible. I understand that isn't always possible). Keep the switching and re-explaining to a minimum. The pilots have their hands full already.
It's like calling customer service for an important issue and being bounced around to 3, 4, 5 different people...and needing to start from the beginning each time, explaining what is going on. Imagine doing that as a pilot of a jetliner full of people during an emergency.
Important info about the situation in the cockpit from a CBS article this morning: “The force of the depressurization slammed the cockpit door into the front restroom door, damaging the restroom door, and it took a flight attendant three tries to get the cockpit door to close again, Homendy said.”
“The first officer lost her headset and the captain had a portion of her headset pulled off. The captain and first officer couldn't hear anything in their damaged headsets once they were recovered so they used the overhead speaker to hear.”
“A quick reference checklist kept within easy reach of the flight crew also flew out the door, Homendy said, adding that it was incredibly loud and chaotic on board.”
In my opinion- this information just provides more evidence that the cabin crew did a phenomenal job managing that emergency when you consider how calm and collected passengers were in the videos we’ve seen since!! 3 cheers for amazing flight attendants!
After listening carefully I can feel the initial panic (of course), then quickly calming down.
Its amazing how anything is understood clearly. It’s so gibberish filled and clipped. Its like the verbal version when the Doctor writes a prescription.
Wow!!! Well done to all staff, crew, pilots and air traffic controllers!!! 😢💜😱💜
We were siting in the waiting area at ONT when this occurred. We could something was up, but didn’t know this happened.
What the hell happened to "MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY Alaska 1282. Depressurization. Descending to 10000"? Instead, it's " Seattle, we'd like to go down". I'm sure all of Seattle was flattered but shouldn't there be a *_proper_* emergency declaration first?
Edit 08Jan2024: Per the NTSB, "The force of the blowout caused the door of the cockpit to open and a laminated checklist and the first officer's headset both flew out into the cabin". Ok. Yeah, that would be scary and distracting as all get out regardless of training. 1) Put mask on to help guarantee someone conscious is flying the plane. Altitude of "only" 16k doesn't matter. PUT..IT..ON. 2) Get/keep control of the aircraft. 3) Let ATC know you're in a world of hurt while continuing #2.
Yes, the lack of use of "Mayday" is an issue in the US that needs a final resolution but #1 priority is keep everyone alive and breathing.
She probably said that just before putting her mask on. Had to be quick. They get about 10 seconds before the hypoxia kicks in apparently
@@wordforever117 they were at only 16,000 feet so it's unlikely that hypoxia would be an issue in the time taken to send out a MAYDAY call with relevant information and then don the mask - pilots in the later stages of WW1 often flew sorties that high, or even higher, in open cockpits, without oxygen.
not without training to do so first @@dabrab
@@dabrabYou'd get hypoxia within a few minutes at 16,000 feet. Need to get the mask on first.
@@wordforever117 Yes, they would need to get their masks on quickly to ensure no significant loss of awareness, but not in 10 seconds as you first mentioned. At 16,000 feet there is time for one of the pilots to control the aircraft (should be the No.1 priority) and transmit a comprehensive (and unmuffled) Mayday call, while the other puts on their mask.
Lucky no debris took out the horizontal stabilizer… where’d the pieces land anyway?
Kudos to the pilots 👏
She really didnt seem that prepared for this emergency… only thing she should have told the controller was mayday + need return and need to decend to level…
Also there seems to be no communication that they dont know the reason for the issue
Fuel 188 and 189 🤔
@@Jonas-vi1slexactly
@@Jonas-vi1sl she said depressurized multiple times. By the second time the ATC should know what happened if she missed the first “scream. “ pilot obviously didn’t prepare for this, but who would guess a brand new plane on a calm day just randomly blow a hole in the middle?
I am completely baffled and disappointed in how ATC handled this communication. A lot of wasted communication when the plane should have just been brought back immediately due to a declared emergency.
Not at all. That amount of data was required for the insurance form they had to fill out immediately. Bureaucracy does come before emergency ("B" before "E" in the Alphabet).
Boeing is LUCKY nobody was sitting in those seatsvvv as they would have certainly died. Yet another black mark on the record of this plane.
She was a bit excitable at the beginning of the event, but she kept it together, regained some composure as they worked the problem, and had a successful outcome. I say a great job.