Here it is my ULTIMATE P3 Reload Joker Guide - took a while to find the best strat with the least amount of grinding but here it is! Show your boy some support and hit the LIKE button because this took over 20 hours of grinding to pull off! As far as this partciular run goes there is one small correction, funny enough Joker hit my entire party with instant death so we did in fact lose our Enduring Soul effect, but that really didnt end up mattering in the grand scheme of things, I DID misplay in phase 2 though as a Marakukaja from Akihiko would have made surviving the 2nd Megidolan much easier
@@JohneAwesome You are making me want to get this dlc lmfao. I love suffering in JRPGs, and I beat DDS2 Satan a few years back and man, that shit took 7 hours on top of the like 40 hours of grinding to even _get_ to him.
If the Abyss of Time is based on the memories of the party, maybe the reason Joker is here is because the party's time in Persona Q2, even if they forgot it happened. Or maybe he's just here because they like him.
It's hilarious that one of the biggest complaints with reload is how easy it is, yet it also has (according to many) the hardest boss in the persona franchise.
I didn't use Milady, I used Satanael for Pierce, I preferred to resist all the elements (It was even poetic to use Satanael to defeat Joker after I died to Sinful shell five times because I didn't know the rules 💀) Great video like aways.
Congrats on your clear! Speaking of how difficult it is to bring Metis on this fight, I actually managed to clear Joker earlier today with only Metis and Aigis on Heartless and it took me forever to do and strategize XD.
Persona 5 would never die if it were solely for atlus I swear, if they had Maruki's wish, they would choose for Persona 5 to be a worldwide hit so they never have to make ANY more games ever and just roll in that sweet sweet P5 cash
Just thought of the potential actual rule to "doing too much damage" on Joker. Perhaps there is a "damage stack limit" that you need to keep yourself under. If you use all the non-dlc damage multiplier abilities(magic ability, magic mastery, element boost, element amp, target boost) you'll reach about 4x damage. Perhaps once you do damage with that 4x multiplier regardless of what actual skill you use it counts as breaking his rule? Thinking that way could lead to more solid testing, like maybe using weak elemental spells but with all the possible boosts and seeing if that goads Joker into using Sinful Shell, or if it's theurgy specifically, stacking ice damage increases and seeing if King and I goads Joker even though it does less damage than Dreamfest.
As far as im aware there is no actual rule about doing too much damage (at least from what i saw CTOBN listed as that dude datamines). Correction about one rule is that on Jokers First turn you can’t have Concentrate/Charge and since he goes first on Merciless it pretty much just means no Auto Concentrate/Charge.
I'm trying to catch up the P3R videos, but I'm going leave here that I would love, since Johne played all versions of this game, a dedicated comparisons video. Would be nice a more relaxed and Johne's in-depth analysis of this title
Simply my statement to anyone wanting to try this fight-DONT its a miserable time if you dont optimize to hell and back but if you wnat that platinum or 100% i wish you the best of luck
I wish that instead of Joker the boss was the Femc. It would have been nice since Atlus didnt have time to make her campaign in their schedule. Also its kind of interesting between Joker and Masakado from SMTV Vengeance Atlus wants the protagonist character to take more of a support role to better the odds of success in their respective superboss fights
hii johne do u plan on continuing the ace attorney series? ur let’s plays were really fun to watch so i was wondering if u were perchance gonna continue
Well this is on JohneAwesome take a break because took you a day of grinding now what are we gonna experience next lets hope we are for a big suprise 😮
I disagree that he’s harder than ANY velvet room assistant. I’d say FES Elizabeth on highest difficulty is harder. Heartless makes him harder, but still not that difficult. DDS Demifiend remains my favourite superboss.
@@JohneAwesome Think it comes down to freedom to do whatever you want more so against joker, due to constant threat of Slash/Pierce/Bash which is unpredictable. Also, obviously, Thunder Reign into Death lol. Elizabeth is the better boss, too. Do you now think Persona 3 Reload is the definitive P3 experience? As someone who played it back in Christmas 2008 December and FES has been my favourite game since then, I truly believe Reload has become the definitive experience, although it definitely does a lot worse than FES did.
P5 takes place in "20XX", but is likely 2016 by comparing it to an IRL calendar, as well as an easy to miss TV report mentioning that Rise Kujikawa is at least 20 years old by the time of P5 Though the difference between the years doesn't really have any bearing on how this encounter happens. "Joker" seems to be a cognitive being made by a reaction between the Abyss of Time and (what Metis implies to be) Mementos in the future This is possible because both the Abyss of Time and Mementos are places linked to/in humanity's Collective Unconsciousness, a metaphysical space connecting across all points of time. It's the same explanation to why the crossovers between the different casts in the Persona Q games can happen in the first place
The Abyss of Time and Mementos are connected to humanity's unconscious which stretches across the entirety of time, and we had previous games show it can pull people from different times or even parallel universes into it. It's not that much of a stretch that it can also allow the two places to interact with each other.
@zaqareemalcolm I just call it the Metaverse because it seems the Persona games can't agree on what it's called, Persona 5 calls it the Metaverse, Persona 3 calls it the Dark Hour, and Persona 4 calls it the TV World
@@riftshredder5438 the TV World and the Metaverse are just specific places inside it. The Dark Hour is different from those two, that one is the result of Shadows creating a space in the Real World where they can inhabit to facilitate the Fall.
Joker is like that spoiled brat that brought the ball if you do anything to him he’ll throw a tantrum and take his ball , you debilitate him or reflect him he just use sinful shell ...
Not to be a party pooper but noticed you had both crit rate boots on mildy and would like to inform you that it doesn’t stack with amp apt pupil does though and as far as ive heard on heartless you can’t crit on joker so magic is the go to for dmg
If you asking in general, Reload has different EN VAs for the cast compared to the other versions of P3 (except for Elizabeth, who is still voiced by Tara Platt).
I see people saying this fight is so cool but to me this fight is just dumb and boring. The ridiculous amount of untold restrictions just removes any kind of personal strategy and all of the fun as a result. So many moves are restricted, some of these rules are absolutely needless, it makes it more of a chore and a grind fest than a challenging fight where you make the most use of all of the game’s mechanics to show your mastery. Unspoken rules in general are just dumb. I feel like Atlus was so close to perfection with the Lavenza fight if only her mechanics were all told, because at least no actual moves are restricted; you just have to meet damage thresholds or technical or crit during certain phases, which are key game mechanics you should have mastered. That’s what a superboss should be in my opinion, that’s fun and engaging.
atlus knows most of their long time fans are in fact masochists who were there for their ps2 era's bullshit that makes Reload's Joker look rather tame in comparison lmao
No, P5's bosses are too easy to cheese. I'm not a huge fan of these bosses either but only because I don't want to do homework before I fight a boss. But boss prep like this is common in classic SMT so I appreciate it.
Still wish I could just play The Answer without Joker or the other DLC stuff. I want to feel like I'm playing FES again not like I'm playing a spinoff game
3:38 NO! That’s breaking the rules! Not allowed to block, drain or reflect his attacks, no using physical or magic reflecting mirrors, no having Enduring Soul on his 5th turn, no Omnipotent Orb, and no using Armageddon, unless you can finish him that turn. Do any of those, and on his next turn, he’ll switch to Satanael, use Heat Riser, then insta-kill your whole team with Sinful Shell. IF you survive that, he’ll do double Sinful Shell every turn. He also starts using that if you don’t defeat him within 20 turns.
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Here it is my ULTIMATE P3 Reload Joker Guide - took a while to find the best strat with the least amount of grinding but here it is!
Show your boy some support and hit the LIKE button because this took over 20 hours of grinding to pull off!
As far as this partciular run goes there is one small correction, funny enough Joker hit my entire party with instant death so we did in fact lose our Enduring Soul effect, but that really didnt end up mattering in the grand scheme of things, I DID misplay in phase 2 though as a Marakukaja from Akihiko would have made surviving the 2nd Megidolan much easier
Hey
Should I buy DLC Persona 5 Royal to defeat Joker?
I don’t know what you were talking about
@@Ueslx.600 i mean, can i defeat joker without arsene and milady persona ?
@@ichbalkiedis8537you can, it just would be harder/required more time(making personas for the fight)
It’s honestly poetic that Atlus made Joker, the character they have milked dry since his inception, the hardest boss in the Megaten series
I mean, hardest in persona at least
@@KevX36 yeah I still think DDS2 Satan is a tad harder than Joker, but they are close!
DemiFiend both from DDS and SMTV are hard enough, and a honorable mention for Steven from SMTIVA DLC
tfw popular characters are used due to marketability
@@JohneAwesome You are making me want to get this dlc lmfao. I love suffering in JRPGs, and I beat DDS2 Satan a few years back and man, that shit took 7 hours on top of the like 40 hours of grinding to even _get_ to him.
Joker came back for that pfp placement, Johne
(I'll Face Myself starts playing*)
Lmao
Hi
Hi
Cant believe the guy from eternal punishment came back as a superboss
Gotta love how Joker and Kotone have appeared in an equal amount of Persona 3 games.
As much as I wish the secret boss was Theodore or FeMC, they did a good job on the Joker fight
yeah I can't complain its just plain fun and different from every boss we've seen before
If the Abyss of Time is based on the memories of the party, maybe the reason Joker is here is because the party's time in Persona Q2, even if they forgot it happened.
Or maybe he's just here because they like him.
But what about Yu?
It's weird that they made Joker fight without him. Specially since Joker fights both Yu and Makoto.
@@RockBand971if they made Joker this hard, imagine how hard Narukami would’ve been.
@@RockBand971hes in the peraona void
I think it's from the dancing game, where Aigis wished to meet the other visitors one day.
Yeah, I was thinking that too.
Anyone else gets pokemon gold/silver vibes when they face the protagonist of a game you've already played?
It's hilarious that one of the biggest complaints with reload is how easy it is, yet it also has (according to many) the hardest boss in the persona franchise.
cant lie I was one of those who complained, but this battle pushes everything out of the system in a satisfying fashion
I was looking forward to seeing you do this! It's such a nutty boss fight, love how insane how it is
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Just like Ur mum
Nice
@@keroclow9059um???
Three actions on Joker really feels like you're playing a turn based game against Joker from Strikers lmao
Hi johne your videos got me into the persona series and right now im working on 100%ing p5r, your commentary keeps me watching your persona videos
Can't wait to fight Nahobino in SMT 6 and tear my hair out.
Persona and SMT have never crossed over with each other.
@@zigslotheon they never said anything about Nahobino in persona though? Just SMT 💀
I wanted to make a "you'll never see it coming" joke, but I got nothing😅
He brought arsene and jack frost to it, never saw that coming
I loved the part where joker said "i won't let you milk my popularity dry any longer atlus" and became the hardest boss in the persona series.
Didn't fancy doing this on my playthrough and I knew you'd have this down so rather experience it this way haha
This is geniunely just lore accurate joker
For real
I didn't use Milady, I used Satanael for Pierce, I preferred to resist all the elements (It was even poetic to use Satanael to defeat Joker after I died to Sinful shell five times because I didn't know the rules 💀) Great video like aways.
GG johne. Looking forward to your next series
Hope everyone's doing well today
You as well, friendo!!
@@princerydian Thanks
This was a great guide Jhone keep it up
Joker has become the next Demi-Fiend. We'll see him appear in Metaphor as a DLC boss because why not? 😂
It's fun looking at Junpei's sword, it's hard to imagine him trying to sheathe it. Being all like "what folks I can't put it away!"
YOU NEVER SEE IT COMING!!
Congrats on your clear! Speaking of how difficult it is to bring Metis on this fight, I actually managed to clear Joker earlier today with only Metis and Aigis on Heartless and it took me forever to do and strategize XD.
i actually didnt realize it was you dubbing the voices
Joker: So I heard you're playing Persona 3 Reload...
"So I'll make you rage into playing my game again."
Persona 5 would never die if it were solely for atlus
I swear, if they had Maruki's wish, they would choose for Persona 5 to be a worldwide hit so they never have to make ANY more games ever and just roll in that sweet sweet P5 cash
Just thought of the potential actual rule to "doing too much damage" on Joker. Perhaps there is a "damage stack limit" that you need to keep yourself under. If you use all the non-dlc damage multiplier abilities(magic ability, magic mastery, element boost, element amp, target boost) you'll reach about 4x damage. Perhaps once you do damage with that 4x multiplier regardless of what actual skill you use it counts as breaking his rule? Thinking that way could lead to more solid testing, like maybe using weak elemental spells but with all the possible boosts and seeing if that goads Joker into using Sinful Shell, or if it's theurgy specifically, stacking ice damage increases and seeing if King and I goads Joker even though it does less damage than Dreamfest.
yeah that's probably it
As far as im aware there is no actual rule about doing too much damage (at least from what i saw CTOBN listed as that dude datamines).
Correction about one rule is that on Jokers First turn you can’t have Concentrate/Charge and since he goes first on Merciless it pretty much just means no Auto Concentrate/Charge.
i got nostalgia from the elizabeth episode in FES
Maybe Persona 5 Royal wasn't easy, maybe we were just too strong?
Joker wonder persona five the phantom X I can’t wait to find it
Perfect time! I was able to finish my meal about the time the fight was over. 😘👌
I'm trying to catch up the P3R videos, but I'm going leave here that I would love, since Johne played all versions of this game, a dedicated comparisons video. Would be nice a more relaxed and Johne's in-depth analysis of this title
Simply my statement to anyone wanting to try this fight-DONT its a miserable time if you dont optimize to hell and back but if you wnat that platinum or 100% i wish you the best of luck
Whoa. We got Joker before Lavenza!
There’s some irony in that.
I wish that instead of Joker the boss was the Femc. It would have been nice since Atlus didnt have time to make her campaign in their schedule.
Also its kind of interesting between Joker and Masakado from SMTV Vengeance Atlus wants the protagonist character to take more of a support role to better the odds of success in their respective superboss fights
Lets goooooo another episode
Definitely the hardest boss in Persona. Even OG Elizabeth didn't require this much grinding.
Great guide
hii johne do u plan on continuing the ace attorney series? ur let’s plays were really fun to watch so i was wondering if u were perchance gonna continue
thank you for asking but I will be having to put a pause on that series for some time as I have other projects I would like to attempt
@@JohneAwesome ohh alrr, thank you for taking the time to responddd !!
Its best to not over saturate things
@@snider1365 ? i’m just stating my opinion ?
@@fIourIte I’m not saying wrong to want more just saying it makes sense to wait a while before doing more ace attorney content.
You did not need to do the Fuuka voice acting I actually thought it was her at first 😂😂😂😂
Literally Joker after any events of P5R and P5S
that one person playing persona 5 solo getting ambushed by a bunch of other persona users and gets bullied
Can’t wait for the next $35 expansion with Narukami as the super boss.
Well this is our last surprise
Bro this fight was badass, love to see more Persona content kyodai, also question; are you still going to play Soul Hackers 2 and/or Infinite Wealth?
There are a few episodes up where he tried Soul Hackers 2, but I think he stopped because he really wasn't enjoying it.
This fight looks so peak tbh
Well this is on JohneAwesome take a break because took you a day of grinding now what are we gonna experience next lets hope we are for a big suprise 😮
I disagree that he’s harder than ANY velvet room assistant. I’d say FES Elizabeth on highest difficulty is harder. Heartless makes him harder, but still not that difficult. DDS Demifiend remains my favourite superboss.
I dunno I did Elizabeth just last year and it is really lenient and there is less RNG to account for
@@JohneAwesome Think it comes down to freedom to do whatever you want more so against joker, due to constant threat of Slash/Pierce/Bash which is unpredictable. Also, obviously, Thunder Reign into Death lol. Elizabeth is the better boss, too. Do you now think Persona 3 Reload is the definitive P3 experience? As someone who played it back in Christmas 2008 December and FES has been my favourite game since then, I truly believe Reload has become the definitive experience, although it definitely does a lot worse than FES did.
@@Megidolaon999 Yes reload is a massive improvement from FES in my eyes
Did anyone else get the interpretation that perhaps the abyss of time is connected to mementos?
I wasn't seeing this one coming
Joker boss fight on heartless difficulty?
*IS THIS FOR REAL?* 😱😱
So the hardest boss sees ever fought as an avatar of Joker lol 😂
Johne play Astrobot! A fun platformer while we wait for Metaphor
Impressive
I could never do this on heartless, id rather just cheese the fight with Milady pierce build and one shot him with theurgy lol
As much as I like Joker I wish Persona 4 would kinda get the same love and treatment imagine battling Yu.
I forgor, but when does P5 take place again?
Or is it just a manifestation of the "Wild Card" who just so happens to look like Joker?
P5 takes place in "20XX", but is likely 2016 by comparing it to an IRL calendar, as well as an easy to miss TV report mentioning that Rise Kujikawa is at least 20 years old by the time of P5
Though the difference between the years doesn't really have any bearing on how this encounter happens. "Joker" seems to be a cognitive being made by a reaction between the Abyss of Time and (what Metis implies to be) Mementos in the future
This is possible because both the Abyss of Time and Mementos are places linked to/in humanity's Collective Unconsciousness, a metaphysical space connecting across all points of time. It's the same explanation to why the crossovers between the different casts in the Persona Q games can happen in the first place
Depressed teens fight a stylish depressed teen.
Now all we need is lizzie
I remember the yo Kai watch content…
Anyone noticed music 3:05
Yeah rivers in the desert
@@mariatukoroma3900 I don’t know what song plays originally
@@JohnNaasz its Take Over on Heartless mode but I changed it because I like this song more
@@JohneAwesome nice
What Joker is the secret boss 😮😮😮
What the Jonkler doing?
Battle Elisabeth
After you going to play Astro Bot next?
Imagine if he used Myriad Truths in this fight. Despite being the hardest boss, he forgot to pack his strongest move, smh my head...
"Hey, I had my fun with the DLC. Now it's your turn."
He's leaving that for Investigation Team Boy; can't hog all the thematic instant kill skills.
Looking cool, not-Joker!
Um did Atlus forget that this game takes place in 2010 and Persona 5 takes place in 2016?
counter point its the abyss of time
@@JohneAwesome lol wow 😂🤣😅
The Abyss of Time and Mementos are connected to humanity's unconscious which stretches across the entirety of time, and we had previous games show it can pull people from different times or even parallel universes into it. It's not that much of a stretch that it can also allow the two places to interact with each other.
@zaqareemalcolm I just call it the Metaverse because it seems the Persona games can't agree on what it's called, Persona 5 calls it the Metaverse, Persona 3 calls it the Dark Hour, and Persona 4 calls it the TV World
@@riftshredder5438 the TV World and the Metaverse are just specific places inside it.
The Dark Hour is different from those two, that one is the result of Shadows creating a space in the Real World where they can inhabit to facilitate the Fall.
do you know much about the cards i know you a bit about the persona in general
of course
Wow
*{Yr 2; Day 116} of been impressed by P5R and waiting for P6.*
The fact that Joker can now use Sinful Shell is psychotic...I love it so much!!!
Im the 1,000th like!
What song is playing at 6:34?
rivers in a desert
Joker is like that spoiled brat that brought the ball if you do anything to him he’ll throw a tantrum and take his ball , you debilitate him or reflect him he just use sinful shell ...
great video... but i would definitely refrain from using your female voice lol
no
@@JohneAwesome 🤣
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Not to be a party pooper but noticed you had both crit rate boots on mildy and would like to inform you that it doesn’t stack with amp apt pupil does though and as far as ive heard on heartless you can’t crit on joker so magic is the go to for dmg
yeah shes far from optimal but I didnt want to refuse
@@JohneAwesome understandable compared to how convenient it was in p5r it feels like a choir now doing anything with not as much qol
What’s up with their voices?
If you asking in general, Reload has different EN VAs for the cast compared to the other versions of P3 (except for Elizabeth, who is still voiced by Tara Platt).
@@Felnal I’m just now realizing he was reading the dialogue 💀
the jonkler himself
I see people saying this fight is so cool but to me this fight is just dumb and boring. The ridiculous amount of untold restrictions just removes any kind of personal strategy and all of the fun as a result. So many moves are restricted, some of these rules are absolutely needless, it makes it more of a chore and a grind fest than a challenging fight where you make the most use of all of the game’s mechanics to show your mastery. Unspoken rules in general are just dumb.
I feel like Atlus was so close to perfection with the Lavenza fight if only her mechanics were all told, because at least no actual moves are restricted; you just have to meet damage thresholds or technical or crit during certain phases, which are key game mechanics you should have mastered. That’s what a superboss should be in my opinion, that’s fun and engaging.
nah its cool
Lol fair enough
atlus knows most of their long time fans are in fact masochists who were there for their ps2 era's bullshit that makes Reload's Joker look rather tame in comparison lmao
agreed.
No, P5's bosses are too easy to cheese. I'm not a huge fan of these bosses either but only because I don't want to do homework before I fight a boss. But boss prep like this is common in classic SMT so I appreciate it.
I’m tired of joker let us fight the goat tatsuya
tatsuya is wack
i can't get enough of joker
I actually looked it up Persona three relord takes place Between Persona five
Still wish I could just play The Answer without Joker or the other DLC stuff. I want to feel like I'm playing FES again not like I'm playing a spinoff game
3:38 NO! That’s breaking the rules! Not allowed to block, drain or reflect his attacks, no using physical or magic reflecting mirrors, no having Enduring Soul on his 5th turn, no Omnipotent Orb, and no using Armageddon, unless you can finish him that turn. Do any of those, and on his next turn, he’ll switch to Satanael, use Heat Riser, then insta-kill your whole team with Sinful Shell. IF you survive that, he’ll do double Sinful Shell every turn. He also starts using that if you don’t defeat him within 20 turns.
but thats the point im purposely getting hit Sinfull Shell because I didnt get charge?
Joker's A fraud he waited to take out sees after the protagonist died jokes aside love your vids Johnny
This fight is bullshit.
I like it 🤷♂️
I already struggled beating Elizabeth on Heartless, no thank you Joker🫡 I’ll just watch others suffer instead😂