Why Grindelwald Was Stronger Than Voldemort
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Gellert Grindelwald is stronger than Lord Voldemort, for a number of reasons. Stronger doesn’t always mean more powerful but it can mean better all round. We’ve literally seen the best of Voldemort, we know his back story, how he gained power, why he wanted it, the spells he used, the lengths he went to and would go to in order to achieve his goals. He was started and completed in those books and thats why I feel he’s seen as the stronger wizard. However, Grindelwald still has 3 more movies to go. His story started in the books but will end on the big screen and from what we have seen, he’s stronger in my eyes and I’m going to tell you how in todays video.
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Grindelwald: defeated by one of the brightest man ever at Hogwarts
Voldemort: defeated by a baby and then a teenager
Voldemort made dumbledore to give his own life and held down dumbledore while dumbledore had the elder wand
And Grindelwald lost to dumbledore with the elder wand 🤫🤫
Master[T] Dumbledore intent was not to kill Voldemort in there duel or stop him it was to hold him there long enough for the Minister of Magic to see him. Dumbledore was also fighting Tom with non lethal spells whereas Voldemort was. You saw how powerful dumbledore is and that was when he was calm Voldemort was dueling with anger and hatred. Whereas dumbledore was calm and fearless. You saw how dumbledore is when he is angry he blasted apart a door and knocked someone out with a single stunning spell and conjured an entire firestorm when he was at his weakest
@@kingbaldwiniv1372 boy, he was prolonging the fight until the aurors arrived...and he wanted Harry to fulfill the prophecy...if that's not clear to you, you better read again the books and stop spreading jokes on the internet
@@kingbaldwiniv1372 Dumbledore was playing with voldemort; he only wanted to hold him off so the aurors and the wizarding world could see that he's back. Dumbledore was trying his best for the full 17 hours with Grindelwald
He was defeated by the puppet whose strings were held by Dumbledore
Voldemort had one fatal weakness: Arrogance. He viewed himself above all others and refused to believe the concept of how 'Loyalty of the Wands' works, even though Harry Potter told it to him. He couldn't acquire the power of the Elder Wand, while both Grindelwald and Dumbledore did. He got a Horcrux snatched by a house-elf. He thought no one knew about Room Of Requirements. And he actually thought Snape would be on his side after he murdered Lily Evans/Potter.
One on One, Voldemort did seem more powerful than Grindelwald: But that's irrelevant. Leaders, such as Dumbledore, Voldemort and Grindelwald always fought vicariously through their armies and spies.
Voldemort's followers feared him, Grindelwald's were loyal to him. Therefore Grindelwald was less likely to be betrayed.
Correct :)
He has plenty of weaknesses besides arrogance. Snake man's practically a cocktail of flaws and blunders, including normally contradictory ones like overconfidence and paranoia, emotional stuntedness and emotional volatility, and such.
But yes. A loyalty-inspiring villain far outclasses one that rules through fear.
You lost me at one on one voldy seem more powerful then grindlewald. We haven't even seem grindle fight any one on one yet a full capacity to even compare.
@@Reese91momo Individually, Voldemort is stated to be the "The most powerful Dark Wizard, of all time."
Voldemort is the only wizard we know who was able to create Inferi. Dumbledore even stated, that without Harry's help, he would not be able to break through the protection Voldemort put in the Cave. Voldemort's curse on the Horcurx was so powerful, that even Dumbledore and Snape couldn't stop it, only contain it.
One on one, Voldemort would probably win. But power is never displayed on individual terms. Voldemort couldn't take over the Ministry of Magic alone. He needed his army. Therefore I'm saying: Voldemort and his army VS Grindelwald and his army - Grindelwald would win for sure.
@@paul_rymar However, despite the fact that these are quite impressive powers, I don't really see their usefulness in 1v1, we must also consider that a duel is not won by brute power, especially for wizards of this caliber, but must also be had taking into account the physical ability and intelligence of the fighters, for example, speaking of past feats, although it is true that Voldemort was the only one capable of creating inferis and his curse could not be stopped by albus or by severus, it is also true that a Grindelwald elder and haggard from being locked up for 50 years, he was able to block Voldemort's Legilimency ability with his Occlumency despite Voldemort being a master at it.
It is also known that Grindelwald was able to have a 3 hour duel with Albus, (and this duel is considered one of the best in history) when they were both at their best, in the books we witnessed how an old Albus was able to put Voldemort in many problems to the point that he forced him to retire
Grindelwald proved to be a manipulator as big as Dumbledore and let's remember that Albus was moving the tiles on the board all the time to the point of using his own death to achieve victory over Voldemort.
So in a 1v1 duel I think Grindelwald realizing that Voldemort outclassed him in brute power would play defense until Voldemort shows some openness to defeat him which is quite possible because as you said one of the more flaws Voldemort's greats are his virtually nil emotionality and his arrogance and Grindelwald as the master manipulator he is, they would surely exploit these weaknesses during combat and eventually end up killing him or at least that's my opinion.
I think when Grindelwald and Tom Riddle were young, they were both equally talented and intelligent. However, it seems to me that as they aged, Grindelwald retained his intelligence and mastery of persuasion but Voldemort turned more into a psychopath and a bully.
Perhaps by gaining a form of immortality, Voldemort lessened the need to have empathy and increased his feeling of invinsibility, furthemore he gained an dreadful reputation over time, so he could count on it to persvaude people.
A cartoon villain Tirek had something similar. He was a villain who became more and more powerful throught the story until he was defeated. Whike weak he was very manipuliative, but as he gained power, he became more and more as a brute and bully.
Exactly. It always appeared to me that Voldemort was more talented when he way younger
@@blacksye637 Funny enough this is often found to happen in many peoples lives as they get older. We have many examples in history of generals who were in their prime unbeatable but later on as they waged and age or even arrogance dulled their skills.
Hannibal seemed to lose his edge near the end of the Punic war, there is a theory that the last few battles in India done by alexander where showing small signs of decline in his leadership. Pompey as well.
Then there are many sports stars example as well that I am sure a more dedicated sports fan can point to.
Voldemort though had a bad run of decline, First he became "immortal" then feared no death and got arrogant, underestimated his arch enemy again and again due to his age. Was out planned by a dying Dumbledore who pre planned Harry's victory or the key details at least.
When he was body less his skills where likely not used use and so slacked a bit.
And his final mistake was never adapting to or fully learning about the way Harry was saved and how love magic worked. Or how Harry passed it to his friends in the final battle.
Grindelwald is nothing compared to Tom Riddle. Tom was a magical prodigy who had powers in childhood far beyond other magical children and his genius level of intellect allowed him to get top in any exam he took and push the boundaries of magic further than it has ever been pushed.
@Violet Alice Voldemort do not fear death but what it symbolizes. Only a fool wants to risk his own life for a "Greater Good".
Dumbledore: Elemental Magic
Voldemort: Dark Magic
Grindelwald: both
I-
I think Dumbledore can use both elemental and dark magic. Well, according to McGonagall in Harry Potter book 1, he was just too noble to use them.
Dumbledore solo
This reminds me of a scene in Friends where Chandler is making Joey Choose between his celebrity crush and jam:
Dumbledore: Okay. On the one hand, elemental magic. On the other, dark magic.
Grindelwald: put your hands together!
Dumbledore: *applauds
Voldemort could use elemental magic just as good as Dumbledore, he was fire, Dumbledore did water
Grindelwald is stronger because he use his brain more than voldemort does
Factssss. As I see it, Voldy is a mere stupid guy too arrogant to see his end.
I disagree Voldemort, in my opinion, is a lot more intelligent than Grindelwald, he was just more arrogant and he was pretty weak and exposed when her lost all of his horcuxes.
@@JoshuaHRRao Grindelwald outsmarted him; Dumbledore outsmarted him. He's not intelligent with records like that. ✌️
Fei Hwang couldn’t escape his prison cell tho could he!
Well said
I don't know about who is more stronger but I believe Johnny Depp has done a phenomenal job as Grindelwald
No doubt
don't like the make up for Grindelwald though, thought he would look less weird and more gentleman like. the eye and the hair does not fit i think.
Its portrait by Johnny Depp, thats why.. Johnny Depp is well known to a various weird character coz he finds it challenging and he'll take it to another level..
J. D fangirl here 🙋♀️
... Really?
Look at Marilyn Manson. He’s incredibly well spoken but looks “odd” so I have no issue with it. I would personally be attracted to him for a conversation, so maybe that is the purpose of how he dresses: Attract the right people.
Voldemort: is an aggressive fighter and impatient and arrogant
Grindelwald: is calm, know how to use the elderly wand correctly, patient, was the rival of someone considered to be the best wizard in the world
Elderly wand
Lol Voldemort is the greatest wizard of the age, not a single person could 1v1 him without tricks, he dominated every aspect of society and mentally jailed every muggle and non muggle in the world, separated his soul, mastered dark magic, prodigy.
Voldemort was the top of the food chain
Yah know, voldermort is much more powerful
No, Voldemort isn't. He barely could stand against OLD Dumbledore, he was master of manipulation and shadow work, but his fighting - barrage of avada kedavra; and that's all. He mastered only dark arts, was ignorant to the rest of the magic, obviously knew nothing about genetics xD He did nothing outside UK, opposed to Grindelwald, who had agendas in whole world. So, well, fuck Voldi.
@@konradwitoszynski867Yes he is. Dumbledore casted a lot of offensive spells on Voldemort in order to defeat him but failed. If Fawkes did not came between Voldemort would have killed Dumbledore. Get over your pipe dreams boy...
Grindelwald laughing at voldemort is like him saying 'take a load of this guy'
I agree with you. Grindy understood all magic, Voldy understood dark magic. Grindy believed what he was doing was "for the greater good' while Voldy only cared about himself.
Dumbledore did say this in the Order of the Phoenix:
"I knew that Voldemort's knowledge of magic is perhaps more extensive than any wizard alive. I knew that even my most complex and powerful protective spells and charms were unlikely to be invincible if he ever returned to full power."
Voldemort was always just a scared little boy, so he created enchanted objects to hide his soul and in doing so, corrupt it so he can never move to the afterlife
Voldemort is nothing but garbage and brain damaged lol
@@geekyradical4985 And Dumbledore said in the Half Blood Prince:
"Of some kinds of magic. Of the others, you remain...forgive me... woefully ignorant."
This was his reply to Voldemort's this statement:
"I have experimented; I have pushed the boundaries of magic further, perhaps, than they have ever been pushed-"
@@geekyradical4985 shut up
@MansaMusa yes
Short answer: Grindelwald knows love.
Plus he's not an idiot
Let's just wait for the remaining 3 movies... I'm sure we'll all realize how strong Grindelwald was...seemed like he was feared by the whole world or Europe atleast
That dumble-lovin'
plus he had a nose lmao
@@lucaelias8419 Haha we all know that is the reason why he was stronger that ol' no-nose Voldy.
Grindelwald didn’t go out like a punk at the hands of Voldemort. He literally looked into the smiling face of death, and smiled back! Respect!
Voldemort went out like a punk. There was no smile on his face as he faced the end either time.
sounds like Grindelwald was a D
Grindelwald was wise enough to make a blood pack with Dumbledore so they don't have to fight eachother
Thats very true but the blood pact was made before the ariana icident and before they became eniemes
My prediction before watching - becouse he knew, and didn't underestimated the power of love.
Me too!
On top of that he wasn't conceived under the influence of a love potion or spell. Therefore he could actually FEEL love.
9Tailsfan not if he was just a psychopath lmao
He didn’t fear death, and genuinely respected his followers, not placing some taboo on them or a marking invade of treason. When he was imprisoned he didn’t fear Voldemort and accepted that he was going to be the next dark lord to start a global revolution, heck he wasn’t afraid of being killed by Lord Voldemort with his signature Avada Kedavra, and had already predicted it with no fear.
Lol same
Grindelwald: defeated by the most powerful wizard ever
Voldemort: defeated by a baby, lost to a teenager, and couldn’t take over a high school
Grindelwald lost to Dumbledore even though he wielded the Elder wand. On the other hand, Voldemort stalemated Dumbledore while Dumbledore wielded the Elder wand. Dumbledore also needed Fawkes to save him from Voldemort's killing curse. For all that we know, Dumbledore would have died if Fawkes wasn't there. Voldemort > Grindelwald. Full stop.
Earnest Scribbler dumbledore didn’t want to kill Voldermort at that moment because he want to stall for time so that the aurors can arrive. Even if dumbledore want to kill Voldermort the holocruxes will still be there so Voldermort will come back once again. Dumbledore was weaken by the curse from Voldermort holocruxes. Voldermort said it himself that he will be gone before the aurors arrived implying that he actually don’ want to face with too many people, HE LITERALLY FLEE. While dumbledore have to protect harry, pin down bellatrix while fighting voldemort. If fawkes wasn’t there, dumbledore could well, i don’ know… *dodge it?* not to mention Voldermort is obviously not smart enough to realize that he just kill the lover of one his death eater and it will be more than likely for that death eater to betray him.He failed to realize that the death eater is only serving him out of fear, not royalty so they will be more than happy to get rid of him. He didn’t even thought about asking others who were at the moment dumbledore was killed to figure out who is the true master of the elder wand, if he did it would be likely that he would found out malfoy is the owner of the wand. Heck he don’t even need a brain for that, just kill everyone who land spells on dumbledore to be safe. He didn’t even bother to check if harry potter is dead yet even though he just used the same spell that failed to kill him the first time. Again, he didn’t need to be smart to think of chopping harry’s head off to be sure. Even dumber, the one that check on harry was from the malfoy family, and he knew about how they would cry out in happiness if Voldermort is dead, and he don’t even think about how she could have lied to him.
@@viethuongvothai686 Voldemort acknowledged that Dumbledore wasn't trying to kill him, 'cause he noticed that he wasn't using the killing curse, but he didn't have to kill Voldemort to defeat him. Voldemort neutralized all of Dumbledore's attempts to defeat and capture him by himself while Dumbledore needed Fawkes' assistance to avoid Voldemort's killing curse. Dumbledore also wasn't cursed when he fought Voldemort. He and Voldemort were pretty evenly matched even while Dumbledore wielded the Elder wand. Dumbledore also consistently regards Voldemort as his superior throughout the books.
Earnest Scribbler voldemort didn’t neutralized all of dumbledore attempts to capture him, if dumbledore doesn’t need to protect harry voldemort wouldn’t be able to neutralized them. If voldemort is superior surely he would have killed dumbledore, and if your argument is “ if fawkes wasn’t there dumbledore would have been dead!!!” Well guess what, the killing curse is unblockable, not being able to block an unblockable curse seem fair too me, and if voldemort didn’ have the holocruxes and dumbledore fight seriously then voldemort would have been dead too, base on your comment, i could make the same argument, “Dumbledore only need a Phoenix to neutralize all voldemort attempts to kill him while Voldermort need 7 holocruxes to keep himself from dying”. Not to mention dumbledore have to protect harry and pin down bellatrix while fighting voldemort so the “ Voldermort and dumbledore is pretty evenly matched when dumbledore have the elder wand” doesn’t really applied. And you said it yourself that dumbledore wasn’t trying to kill voldemort, he was trying to stall for time for the aurors to arrived, that mean he aren’t his full potential, he is just using spells that could stall time for him. If he truly want to kill Voldermort he could have throw a killing curse at voldemort, and voldemort won’t be able to block it with a phoenix like dumbledore.
@@viethuongvothai686 Dumbledore took care of Harry and Bellatrix before he fought Voldemort. Voldemort didn't use the Protego charm to block any of Dumbledore's spells so it wouldn't have mattered if Dumbledore was using the killing curse.
To be honest, I always believed Grindelwald to be the greater wizard. He held the entire world within his grasp! The same cannot be said for Voldemort!
@@packman80 only in bitain while grindelwald was more of world concuest of a guy
Bro had tough time defeating a school. Grindelwald obliterated new york
I bet all Voldy's followers would ditch him for Grindy anytime, if given the choice.
Grindelwald gave you a sense of security and purpose, he'd even praise you, whereas Voldemort would just make you run and never look back.
Yeah Voldy would take your house, use your kid and snap your wand🙄He’d kill your parents, mock your bloodline and curse you for following him🤦♂️why didn’t someone just punch his head off. With all this magic being thrown around no one would ever expect a over hand right, followed by a Muay Thai clinch making him look like ghostrider, lighting his face on fire with 6 vicious knees and 4 haymaker uppercuts then stomp out the fire with a size 13 timberland boot 🥾 f* the dark lord!
And they would all be killed as we saw what happened to those who betrayed him...
I mean Bellatrix might stay with Voldy
Also he was much more handsome than Voldy.
@@faisalabdullahfarhanbba-3010 Do you know who Tom Riddle was?
If they dueled...
Grindelwald: (Uses magic with style)
Voldemort: (Points his wand as hard as possible)
I always hated the way he held wands in the movies. It made him seem rather flimsy.
He did exactly like ron, in his first year. But unfortunately he didn't have someone like Hermione to tell him that he is wrong.
@Chad Barrett yeah....no. The way he holds it between his index and middle finger. I always hated it lol. But to each their own.
the again, based on movies or books?
Voldemort is a freaking genius, movies did him VERY bad. But so it did to harry and some other characters
Dumbledore did say this in the Order of the Phoenix:
"I knew that Voldemort's knowledge of magic is perhaps more extensive than any wizard alive. I knew that even my most complex protective spells and charms were unlikely to be invincible if he ever returned to full power."
While Dumbledore said that Grindelwald was his near-equal, he consistently regards Voldemort as his superior throughout the books.
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always thought of this
I don't think it matters. I think Harry would have went to the forest anyways but he wouldn't have the knowledge of Snape being on his side.
Such a good a idea!
Maybe he could come back as a ghost?
My impression on these two
Voldemort : He's creepy, has scary face without nose, and no one knows what he's gonna do
Grindewald : wow, he's a bad dude but he's cool!!!
9:22 - 9:34
"That's a route Grindelwald was not prepared to go down, whereas Voldemort, on the other hand, was pompous and melodramatic enough to believe that creating seven horcruxes would make him even more powerful..."
I really love how you said this sentence, especially the part about Voldemort being "pompous and melodramatic"; it is ironically true!
Grindelwald knew his limits, Voldemort refused to acknowledge he had limits.
Half of Voldemorts followers will leave him if Grindelwald manages to escape one death curse...while Grindelwalds supporters will fight for him till they die
Agree. Also Grindelwald seems to understand all magic has consequences and respects magic. Voldermort just uses magic like a narcissists uses people and thinks it should obey his every whim.
I feel like the whole comment section is people burning Voldy and I love it 😂.
@@meme-bu8qu Voldemort: "Oh! Child! AVADA KEDAVRA"
spell: backfires nearly killing him
Voldemort, years later, after regaining body etc.: "oh! Same child as teenager! AVADA KEDAVRA!"
spell: backfires killing him
*surprised Death Eaters' faces*
Dude, it backfired once, you are good now just DON'T FREAKING REPEAT THIS! I know narcisstic persons trying to use people and slipping on it, but not twice on same person.
@@Petaurista13 Voldemort could touch Harry after his rebirth, so he had a logical good reason to believe the protection was canceled. The reason why the killing curse backfired this time was because the elder wand refused to kill it's master.
It took 20-30 years and the strongest wizard in the world to beat Grindelwald. It took 7 years and 3 teenagers to beat voldy. Just let that sink in.
It helps that if you remove all the magical elements, Voldemort is essentially a psychopath that never grew out of his high school teenage edgelord persona.
Did dumbledor not call Voldermort the most dangerous powerful wizard of all time though?
@@Bigfitz92 yes he did..of that age
Gulzaib Khan well aren’t they technically in the same age? I mean Voldermort visits him on Azkaban
@@Bigfitz92 well no I don't think so in the magical world I'd say Grindelwald at that time was around Dumbledore's age while Voldemort could be said to be in his 40s or 50s..
Dislikes are from ppl who said “done” after hearing the first sentence.
Grindlewald could make magic with a wand that liked him and without having to mutilate himself. He also lost to his equal, not some kid who barely knew what he was doing with a series of happy mistakes in his favor.
Exactly
To be fair, Dumbledore was much stronger when he fought Tom.... and Dumbledore had the strongest wand on his side... and he still failed to beat Voldemort completely....
Hell, if the Aurors didn't come, Voldemort wouldn't have run away....
And if you put it another way..... they didn't NEED plot armor to beat Grindlewald.... but Voldemort could ONLY be beat through plot armor....
@@TheDeathmail you're not wrong, but also remember that Dumbledore wasn't fighting to kill, unlike Voldemort, just as he wasn't fighting to kill Grindlewald. He's using his magic to defend or disable, but not seriously harm. Even at his most powerful he's pulling his punches, so to speak. Also, the elder wand didn't abandon him against Voldemort, is it seems to do when it senses a stronger master, so that alone says a lot in Dumbledore's favor.
I think if he were trying to personally take Voldemort down, he'd wipe the floor with his nose.
(Insert Forest Gump: "But, you don't got no nose, Lt. Dan...")🤣
@Jake Folk true, but it also chose to give its allegiance to Harry, just as it chose to give its allegiance to Grindlewald, like all wands apparently choose a wizard or witch. It didn't give crap to Voldemort.
Plus, Grindlewald was already extremely powerful, the wand was more to give him an edge over Dumbledore. Voldemort would had his ass handed to him if Dumbledore ever dueled to kill.
@@TheDeathmailFirst of all with age whether wizard or human their thought process and body movements get slower so Dumbledore surely was not as strong as he was in his 40s while fighting Tom
And he also was just stalling for time and make a plan to complete the prophecy and as voldy said it himself above such brutality are you so while fighting with the strongest dark wizard of that time all dumbeldore was using were some non lethal spell and not to mention he was calm where as voldy was giving it his all and also there was useless distraction like harry their.
And then again you can say voldy got Albus off guard as hawks had to dive in to protect Albus that is true and that more of surprise elements and due to Albus overconfidence not due to voldy's skill as depicted in the book.
So from which side you are arguing that Tom was as strong if not stronger than 100+ years old Albus Percival wolfrick Brian Dumbledore.
the fact that Grindlewald, aged and languishing in prison, could wandlessly counter Tom's legilimancy is evidence enough of the difference in their ability... Grindlewald was a true practitioner, Tom was a boy grasping for power to stave off his fear
Wtf 😂😂😂😂
Wrong again lmfao
@@dakotablount251 ur a voldy slobber huh
@@Nesto38 nope. I'm a Book reader and someone who cares about facts. Anyone who read the books knows how ungodly wrong this video is
Dakota Blount Point it out
@@dakotablount251 how??? Tell us
I wouldn’t be surprised if at first when reading about horcruxes he was tempted but the more he learned about them the less appealing they became
Nah. I think Grindlewald just didn't want to be immortal. He wanted to change the world by making it so witches and wizards didn't have to hide from Muggles but he didn't want to live forever. Like Dumbledore he knew death was a natural part of life and that everybody dies eventually. Voldemort on the other hand was frightened of death since his mother died giving birth to him and he originally thought that she wasn't a witch because to him if she had been she wouldn't have died. Him finding out that wizards and witches can die despite being magical scared him even more.
I think Voldemort’s desperation is made crystal clear from the horcruxes alone. He was prepared to tear his soul to absolute shreds to create them. It makes no sense to me that doing so increases strength, rather that it diminishes it. It’s not something I could imagine a wizard of superior intelligence even considering. Well, perhaps, but not more than one!
The soul /matters/. Old Magic is like holding a mirror to your soul - you can’t fool it. Voldemort was working with a lot of Old Magic without understanding how it really worked. Otherwise he’d have figured that Harry would invoke it the moment he made the choice to willingly sacrifice himself.
LOTS of blunders I don’t envisage Grindelwald committing. But thankfully Voldy did, so we could have that precious story!
Voldemort got to cocky. If I became immortal, I would keep a low profile instead of trying for world domination, because if you go out to take control, you put a massive target on your back and now you have people dedicating their lives to remove your immortality.
His knowledge of the dark arts is infinitely deeper, on top of that, he was born with the incredibly rare gift of being a genuine SEER, as in someone with the innate ability to see possible futures.
He was the first to decide put together all of the Deathly Hallows, with the goal of ruling the world with pure blood wizards, "for the greater good". He had a true and infectious, incredibly noticing personality, master at persuasion and organizing a force to conquer the world. Not only that, history tells us the duel between him and Dumbledore was the greatest duel ever witnessed in history.
And after al of this, in his final days, he literally repented of his ways, sas his path was ultimately wrong, and sid not fear death at all. He was the greatest of dark wizards, and Depp's performance as the character is literally Oscar worthy. He played him as the equivalent of Hitler, only as a dark wizard. And lastly, the Elder Wand literally gave itself over fully to Grindlewald's will.
Grindelwald wasn’t a pure-blood supremacist. He didn’t want a pure blood dictatorship like Voldemort and the Death Eaters. Grindelwald believed that magicians period were superior to muggles. That the wizarding world should rule non magic folk benevolently, as second class citizens. He however had no problem with half-bloods or muggle born wizards and witches.
Nope, Dumbledore says that Voldemort's knowledge of magic is "perhaps more extensive than any wizard alive" and that Voldemort was possibly more brilliant than he was. The books also describe Voldemort as more powerful, more knowledgeable, more feared and more dangerous than any other dark wizard, including Grindelwald. Meanwhile, Dumbledore says that he was never afraid of what Grindelwald could do to him magically and that Grindelwald was less skillful than he was. And even with the power of the Elder wand, Grindelwald lost to Dumbledore. Voldemort stalemated Dumbledore when Dumbledore wielded the Elder wand. Voldemort > Grindelwald. Full stop.
@@geekyradical4985 but Grindelwald put up a stronger fight with Dumbledore and Dumbledore only said that he was a shade more skillful.Dumbledore would have destroyed voldermore if it wasn't for the prophecy.grindelwald was more smarter and sure voldermore was the best in Dark arts but Grindelwald regards magic and does loads of variety of spells not like Voldemort who only does Avada kedevra.But no one will have a right answer.
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@@geekyradical4985 Voldemort only fought Dumbeldore to a standstill because Dumbledore (who once again, was on his last legs) was only dueling to disarm. Voldemort, on the other hand, openly expressed that he intended to kill Dumbledore. What's more, we haven't seen how the legendary duel plays out. Perhaps Grindelwald does not utilize the Elder Wand, giving into an arrogant need to be seen as stronger than Dumbledore. Maybe Dumbledore had the backing of other talented wizards. Maybe Grindelwald throws the duel himself, as a parallel to the suicide of Adolf Hitler. What's more, Voldemort must have used every trick in the book(s) that he could, but even his magnificent fiend fire pales in comparison to diabolica. Grindelwald was able to hold his own against several aurors at once on numerous occasions: incineration with a single bright blast, charging into battle against them as Graves, and the aforementioned casting of diabolica. Grindelwald>Voldemort. Full stop.
Depp has other performances for which I feel he should have laid claim to an Oscar, but this is easily in his top 15, possibly top ten.
Grindelwald loved Dumbledore. Voldemort didn’t know how to love.
*d u m b l e d o r e h a d s e x w i t h g r i n d e l w a l d*
-Jk
I feel like Grindelwalds intelligence and deeper understanding of magic could get him a victory against Voldemort
For sure
Dumbledore did say this in the Order of the Phoenix:
"I knew that Voldemort's knowledge of magic is perhaps more extensive than any wizard alive. I knew that even my most complex protective spells and charms were unlikely to be invincible if he ever returned to full power."
Grindlewald lost to a Dumbledore who wasn't trying to kill him while having the elder wand in his position,Voldemort stalemated Dumbledore who was in possession of the elder wand,reasons says with equal wands both going for the kill Voldemort has the edge.
@@15r52 I'm not going to fight with another person who thinks Voldemort is more dangerous😩
@@melissa8707 Dumbledore said in the books that Voldemort's more dangerous than Grindelwald.
Grindelward is the type of guy who is smart that is quick on hos feet everywhere and situation. Voldemort is that student that is only smart at getting good grade in a school.
This makes me think of that part in the deathly Hallows part 1. Grinderwald is an old man in a cell with no wand and he still has the balls to call Voldemort by his real name. "I knew you'd come to see me Tom." I have no doubt that Grinderwald knew and mastered hand gesture magic and could have handed Voldemort his butt on a silver platter.
Grindelwald's strength came from his willingness to be patient, listen, and learn everything about what he was trying to accomplish, he didn't need to use fear because he was so charismatic. He had insight that Voldemort never had because all Voldemort sought was power.
Grindelwald is stronger because he has hair, a nose and being Dumbledore's BFF. And you know in anime rule, having more hair = more power level unless you're Saitama.
Boyfriend*
That’s actually a really interesting analysis, because in early Britain, wealth was generally represented by the length of hair an individual had.
Gayness intensifies
Haha I love this comment
Period.
Grindelwald is what Dumbledore could've been, he gained similar international respect for the bad side as Dumbledore did for the good side. He was a master of manipulation and understood how to influence people. Voldemort didn't bother to take the time to understand human nature so controlled people by brute force, control and fear. It seemed that Voldemort was similarly charming and manipulative in his teenage years, but perhaps creating the Horcruxes weakened his mental state, as he became much more erratic and undisciplined in adulthood.
The guy could litteraly destroy all of Paris with a single casual spell . A wave of his hand.Voldemort could not even counter the magic of a single weaker Harry Potter. It was hillarious. His magic just looked soo damn worse.
Even from a physical magic standpoint Voldy seems way less powerful. Hillariously so.
Even with the power of the Elder wand, Grindelwald lost to Dumbledore. Voldemort stalemated Dumbledore when Dumbledore wielded the Elder wand.
@@geekyradical4985 Except Dumbledore didn't want to defeat Voldemort. He knew Harry was the only one to do it, and if he had bested him, they would have ultimately lost in the future when Voldemort returned.
@@Picolnir Dumbledore did indeed try to defeat Voldemort. He literally tries to trap Voldemort in the sphere of water. Defeating and capturing Voldemort would have made it much easier for Harry to track down and destroy his Horcruxes, and would have saved countless lives.
@@geekyradical4985 Except Voldemort has to kill Harry to kill the last horcrux. That is essential.
@@Picolnir It would still make it way easier to destroy the other Horcruxes.
Or maybe because he can destroy a baby
Maybe
Aka the chosen one
Grindelwald init😂
LOL LOL LOL
That scene was so sad!
Grindelwald at least u can and u aren’t like Voldemort
Ever since I saw Grindelwald's power in action, I was like : "Are you sure Voldy was supposed to be a bigger threat ?" Cuz honestly, the guy left me in huge awe.
That's exactly what I thought! But then it left me wondering how powerful would Dumbledore be to defeat Grindelwald when he had the Elder Wand.
@@thelegend1801 , Dumbledore fought Grindelwald at the height of his power (Grindelwald I mean). When He thought Voldy, he was already old. The best of Dumbledore was around the fantastic beast movie series
@@ericlongomo7963 moreover, in the ministry, dumbledore didnt want to kill voldemort, because of the prophecy and the other hocruxces.
That's called a recency bias. People tend to put less emphasis on historical events in favor of recent events. Grindelwald's movies also have more modern CGI which makes him look flashier.
You will change your mind if there came a Voldemort movie...
Johnny Depp was the PERFECT Grindewald! Love all in the series and prequels.
We have literally seen more complex magic from Grindelwald in the first two installments of the films than Voldemort has throughout an eightmovie series, the most complex spell we have ever seen Voldemort produce is the killing curse, I have no doubt in my mind that Grindelwald is the stronger wizard even if lore states he's not
I'd argue the most complex spells from Voldemort are the defenses he created to protect his Horcruxes and the spell he created to fly unaided.
@Jake Folk for situations like 7 harry
Why is Grindelwald stronger?
Because Johny Depp got the role duh
Duh!
You can tell he's more powerful than Voldemort you can see the spells he's performed.
Farhan Mckinnons true true
Aizette savvy
More iconic character. Even in other dimension, he still has jack sparrow vibe.
Obviously. Grindlewald terrorized more area, we can see in the movies that he had a larger army with an obsecurus, he came closer to his goal by threatening the statute of secrecy, he deuled Dumbledore and aberforth simultaneously, and not only got the best wand in history at the age of 18 but practiced with it till perfection. He was a seer, could turn invisible without a cloak, and he was an amazing occlumence. Also, he had some much knowledge, he knew about the deathly Hallows since teenagehood. Voldemort only got to know that weeks before dying. Voldy bit of more than he could chew. He couldn't even understand the elder wand and horcurxes and as a result ended up meeting a fate worse than death. Also, Grindy kept the greatest wizard of all time at bay for decades, even after Dumbledore got the blood pact he didn't advance against Grindlewald until nearly a decade later. Also, his speciality on pottemore is dueling and he dueled twenty highly trained aurors alone, with a wand he hadn't even mastered. And his wandless magic is so highly powerful, he disarmed and chained three people at once while simultaneously summoning an object towards himself, in fanastic beast 1
And I think its somewhere in the books or movies they said Voldemort terrorized Europe and Europe only
@@user-hd3lf5bt7c no actaully wrong, they say he terrorized only half of Britain and some other places in Europe. Grindlewald terrorizes the North America's biggest cities and then wrecks havoc in French cities, infiltrating the American and French Minsitry
In Voldemort defense he didn’t know Drago disarmed Albus, than Harry disarmed Drago. But I agree with everything else
You're completely right, my friend.
Let’s also not forget that Voldemort had the tendency to disregard information that he didn’t understand and let his cockiness get the best of him. Grindlewald didn’t do that.
Why grindelwald is better: he knows how to breathe with his nose
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Is it just me who's favourite character is Grindelwald?
Not my favourite but definitely an amazing villain because he is smart, he is charismatic, he puts his goals before himself and he has a very interesting background all of these make for an overall great character and I can't wait to see more of him .
Mine
The first five minutes of Crimes of Grindelwald I was like "Grindelwald is way more powerful then Voldemort."
Me too 🖐️🖐️
Its because its jonny depp
Voldemort was a Bully. And never NEVER could do anything completely on his own. Grindlewald on the other hand. Used Charm over threats. Sugar to catch flies. He was not a bully either. And was more "selfless" in that he was doing it to actually benifit humanity.
Voldy was just a terrorist with his death eaters
@@notsosecretsnacker5218 I guess it's a good thing Grindelwald never used terrorism...
@youtube watcher Duels aren't real power who would win a fight isn't relevant to actual power. Who's a better leader and has a stronger organization is what matters.
@youtube watcher Well, when a duel is between wizards of such levels of power, I don't think raw power would matter. Voldemort would have to think ahead and attack at the same time (because he was trying to attack and kill someone he himself knew was much stronger than him) to remain in the fight with Grindelwald, while we know that Gellert himself was much cleverer than Voldemort, and seemed to be more skilful as well. He didn't use the Elder Wand like the strongest weapon ever, he seemed to be enjoying the beauty of magic it produced. Grindelwald seriously left me wondering how Dumbledore was going to defeat him in the greatest duel of all times.
@youtube watcher I know Dumbledore was much better than Voldemort. And I think I could correct your statement "Dumbledore was just playing with Voldemort in their final duel. If he wanted he could've laid out Voldemort then and there."
It should be like
"Dumbledore was toying with Voldemort in the duel in the Atrium. He could've mopped the floor with Voldemort of he wanted to do it."
Gellert Grindelwald is stronger in fighting and Voldemort has horcruxes which makes him immortal so Grindelwald:
Pros: Good at fighting
Cons: Not immortal
Voldemort:
Pros: immortal
Cons: only uses avada kedavra as a spell
Don't compare the guy that was a match to Albus Dumbledore with a coward afraid of death
voldemort was definitely a match for dumbeldore
Fully agree with Dean, Grindelwald was superior to the Dark Lord, especially seeing as Grindelwald's movement was international, whereas Voldemort's was strictly contained to the British Isles.
Grindelwald faced 12 Auror s fearlessly and voldemort flewed off when Auror arrived 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
EDIT:Thanks for the likes.this is the epitome 😊😊😊😊
They were American Aurors that's why they sucked
@@huzaifavawda8383 yeah remember Dawlish? I don't even believe him to guarding my rice from burning. But Minerva said people rarely choose to be auror. So that's probably way they accept anyone even the incompetent one.
@@KNullHypothesis ofcoz they did cause it took a British Non Auror to capture and reveal his true identity you moron 😂😂😂😂😂
@@peradabanbaruindonesia1546 agreed, and the fact that America had such harsh and strict magical rules compared to Britain at the time
Grindlewald got captured.
Keep doing what your doing love your videos!!!!
Voldemort dueled an ELDER WAND WIELDING DUMBLEDORE and left the battle unscathed after he realized he wouldn't be able to kill Dumbledore since Dumbledore was strictly fighting on the defensive to protect Harry and to stall until Aurors arrived, when he could go on the offensive, by that point Voldemort would be incredibly outnumbered.
Voldemort is the only wizard that has dueled Dumbeldore and evaded death or capture. And he had horcruxes to preserve his life after death.
Voldemort's curse on Marvolo Gaunts ring was enough to nearly instantly kill Dumbledore who only put the ring on for a "a single moment."
*"The ring, Harry. Marvolo's ring. And a terrible curse there was upon it too. Had it not been - forgive me the lack of seemly modesty - for my own prodigious skill, and for Professor Snape's timely action when I returned to Hogwarts, desperately injured, I might not have lived to tell the tale."*
Voldemort dueled Kingsley Shacklebot, Minerva Mcgonagal, and Horace Slughorn *simultaneously* all extremely practiced and powerful duelists in their own right, and defeated all of them...
Alone. According to JK Rowling the only reason they weren't killed is because of Harry's sacrificial protection on them. Which shielded everyone inside the Great Hall from the Killing Curse.
And perhaps the most damning bit of evidence; Dumbledore himself said Voldemort was stronger:
*"Did you know then sir?" "Did I know I just met the most dangerous dark wizard of all time? No."*
You could make the argument that by "dangerous" he means people killed, but that still doesn't account for literally every other one of Voldemorts many feats.
Grindelwald was an amazingly powerful foe, but a single duel one on one with Dumbledore and it was over.
And sorry, but even if your only going by the films, that makes Grindelwald even worse because he got beat by a couple of no-name Aurors in the first film.
I respectfully disagree.
i do want to point out that its been proven that in dules the elder wand provides no benefit since the wand forces you to utilize and channel magic through it like an ordinary wand because it seeks the most powerful owner to wield it, when Voldemort dueled Dumbledore, the elder wand did not lend him its full power because whoever won would have its allegiance. the wand is the most sentient wand ever made and it is unknown why it chooses to work the way it works. that being said the wand under non-dueling circumstances provides a lot more power as seen in crimes of Grindelwald petago diabolica was able to be weaponized on the level it could have destroyed an entire city was just a small taste of its true power, i doubt Voldemort can wield such power but Voldemort was more powerful because of the horcruxs he had which gave him a distinct power that Grindelwald never had
how do i scale it:
Voldemort had a powerful wand, he was a half blood from the gaunt family, plus he didnt know how to love. this made Voldemort more powerful in terms of who is more dangerous especially with horcruxs in consideration and how radicalized he and his deatheaters were and his skill with dark magic.
Galet Grindelwald: seer, elder wand, elemental magic, dark magic natural lore, wand lore, magical lore, charisma patents, wisdom and strategic mind set plus dumbledor level magic in terms of raw power.
these attributes make Voldemort's power set would in a dual baring the elder wand if Voldemort and Grindelwald ever dueled, Grindelwald would undoubtably have an edge but the horcruxes give Voldemort an edge but take that away he would be weaker. the only difference is Voldemort was immortal because of his Horcruxes alone
In the first film Grindelwald was duelling many Aurors than voldemort ever duelled and still was able to fight them. He only got defeated because Newt from behind used one of had s beasts to stop Grindelwald that was the only reason he lost. Voldemort on the other hand flees away when the Aurors with fudge came along. And in the end of part two he used protego diabolica a spell which protects you and kills your enemy at the same time. And he did not let any Aurors escape. And that is far more powerful than fiendfire and avada kedavra. And that only Grindelwald and dumbledore knew how to do it.
Voldemort feared death and to prevent it he created horcruxes which is why it was hard to defeat him or kill him because he was immortal. Grindelwald did not fear death and was nearly successful compared to voldemort. Voldemort followers other than Bellatrix followed him only out of fear and in the end they betrayed him. In Grindelwald case his followers were loyal and caring towards him as also he loved and cared for them.
In dumbledores case saying about dark wizards he wouldn't have considered Grindelwald as dark because he loved him a lot and they were more close as brothers. Even after his defeat he used to say about his love and relationship about Grindelwald to harry.
And Grindelwald was considered a threat to the whole wizarding world while Voldemort on the other hand was considered a threat only to Britain. Grindelwald was also able to capture the whole of Europe only in 6 years while voldemort took 14 years and took over Britain. Every was against Grindelwald and wanted to stop him but voldemort only the British ministry was against him. Grindelwald also had something voldemort did not have love. And that is the most powerful magic of all as said.
Voldemort only was able to create fear and bring in followers on the other hand Grindelwald was able to bring people towards his side without creating fear. He was able to bring people to his side by speech and through understanding and he was always one step ahead and stopped who was against him as we see in the end of fb2.
And do not forget after 53 years of his defeat locked up in a cell with no wand to perform magic he was still able to block voldemort from entering his mind. I cannot think of anyone doing this (maybe other than dumbledore.)
In conclusion Grindelwald was a master dueller and knew a vast knowledge on magic compared to voldemort. Voldemort only knew darks arts more than anyone Grindelwald knew many types of spells both dark and light. He was a master in occulumency which would do no good to voldemort. Dumbledore and Grindelwald both dulled in their prime and he was able to hold of dumbledore for 3 hours this was said to be the best duel ever and no duel could ever match it. Voldemort duelled someone who was way past their prime age and took him nowhere close to three hours. Both of them lost to someone while possessing the elder wand. Difference is gellert got defeated by someone who was his equal and voldemort got defeated by a teenager. We know for voldemort the elder did not respond because the wand was under Harry's ownership. For gellerts case we don't what happened for him to loose. Maybe he got betrayed by the wand because dumbledore was slightly more skilled and powerful than him.
Grindelwald easily claps over voldemort in a duel because of his knowledge so Grindelwald has the upper hand. But because of voldemorts horcruxes I would say he has the upper hand there. If you take away his horcruxes he would be easily defeated by gellert with or without the elder wand.
In conclusion I would say Grindelwald is more stronger and powerful while voldemort is more dangerous, evil, feared and ruthless.
@@noornazim1 yes and as i stated the elderwand has rules when it comes to dueling. when dumbledor 1v1 voldemort it was all done under his own power and not the power of the elderwand since it recalled its benefits to test who was actually more powerful with their own power alone, the elderwand seeks the most powerful to possess it as stated by JK Rowling herself
He knew the value of all forms of magic and did not disregard those Voldemort blew off. Also Voldemort underestimated those around him. Look at Snape. Voldemort was rather easily tricked by Snape. He underestimated the power of Snape's love for Lily.
Grindelwald got pawned by Newt and mugged by his niffler.
One thing that makes a HUGE difference in an in depth villain and a cheap villain, is their character. Im not saying Voldemort was a bad character, but Grindelwald will definitely have a much more lasting impact when the Fantastic Beasts films are finally done.
The difference? I've already stated it; character. What made Thanos such a compelling villain in the MCU? What made Killmonger an epic and symbolic villain in Black Panther? When you look at the root of their reasoning, they're right. In a sense, at least. What makes Grindelwald already a much more compelling villain than Voldemort from just the Crimes of Grindelwald, is that he was right to some extent about why he was doing what he was doing.
Voldemort used scare tactics and constantly bullied everyone into his hierarchy of power because he knew that no one was strong enough to stand up to him. Grindelwald on the other hand, he states his beliefs and truly believes that what he is doing is for the right cause. Believing that the full freedom of his beautiful people in the Wizarding World is worthy enough to fight for, no matter the cost. This is exactly what he says to gather followers, and those who do not believe in his beliefs, are just another misfortune of his cause. And THAT is what makes Grindelwald such an amazing character, and we've only seen one movie so far that was based around him, as the first Fantastic Beasts movie was an introduction to the world and story of Newt, Albus and Grindelwald.
By the time the Fantastic Beasts franchise is over and done with, I believe that many people will argue that Grindelwald was a better overall villain than Voldemort.
Excellent observations of both characters and a great presentation!
Well done ye!
Wonderful work you do! Thank you so much.
To Voldy, magic is a tool and nothing more. In his mind, magic is not part of who he is, it's only what he can use it for. Grindelwald saw magic as part of everything, including himself. The difference between the two men can be summarized with this analogy, what is more dangerous? A barrage of droplets or an ocean crashing on you. Magic, to Grindelwald, is an ocean that he's a part of. Voldy just throws a lot of droplets at once and he is above being part of it. Yes, I agree with you completely.
This answer is beautiful!
@Kallum Bryn Morgan the analogy is completely lost on you.
@Kallum Playz
Voldie: throws money bills at people
Grindelwald: throws bag of coins at people
Which do you think more effectively to hurt a person?
"Voldie uses it more powerfully"?
It doesnt matter, it's paper compared to metal.
He’s more powerful for several reasons. He’s more intelligent, wiser and actually mastered every different kind of magic whereas Voldemort only mastered dark magic. Oh and Grindlewald actually lasted over 3 hours against Dumbledore in his prime whereas a prime Voldemort only lasted a few minutes against an old out of his prime Dumbledore who at the time was protecting Harry and wasn’t even trying to kill Voldemort. Sorry Voldy fans but Grindlewald and Dumbledore are a different class to every other wizard and witch out there
Preach!
Yes! Literally the first time we see Grindelwald he incinerates like four aurors with little effort, that level of power is actually ridiculous. Sure he had the elder wand, but it’s not his fault he was smarter then Tom and actually found out how to get it. I’ll take Grindelwald over ol Tom Riddle any day.
You guys are idiot🤦🏼♂️
Your analysis is incomplete. Grindelwald was the rightful owner & possessor of the Elder Wand in his duel against Dumbledore, & Dumbledore defeated him. Dumbledore was the rightful owner & possessor of the Elder Wand against Voldemort, but he couldn't take down Voldy.
Charlie Van Kampen because his intention was not to take him down
great video as always!
nice video, great way to look at things
The way I see it, Voldemort is
the more powerful and knowledgeable in dark magic, but Grindelwald is more skill and knowledgeable in magic overall.
Essentially, Voldemort is the most powerful Dark Wizard, but Grindelwald is the most powerful wizard of the two.
Similar to how The Hulk is physically stronger than Thor, but Thor, because of all his abilities, is more powerful than The Hulk.
Back to Voldemort and Grindelwald, the former is unable to use his Legilimency to get inside the latter’s mind, despite Grindelwald being old, weaponless, and imprisoned for decades.
This illustrates how Grindelwald used a defensive spell, Occlumency, to easily out power Voldemort.
I'd agree, Grindelwald seems very powerful and is more well rounded but Voldemort surpasses him in certain areas.
The trinity of Dumbledore/Grindelwald/Voldemort in raw magical power should all be within a whisker within each other.
@@ZYXPQI what about Merlin tho?
Is he the most powerful wizard of all times?...
@@Il_Capitano_No.1 Dumbledore is the most powerful wizard of all time. Merlin was not that strong kinda strange.
@@Il_Capitano_No.1 unfortunately, we know very little about merlin in the harry potter universe. I really wish we did as he is the most famous wizard ever. However he was called "thr prince of enchanters" on pottermore so he probably was a very powerful wizard
This is wrong. Voldemort is the greater wizard. There is no debate. The books are clear on this. Voldemort was more powerful than Grindelwald ever was.
I’ve been thinking about it a lot.
Grindelwald just never wanted to hide his abilities from Muggles. He wanted to be free and mingle with the Muggle world. There was really nothing wrong with his message.
Voldemort, however, gained his followers through threats and violence. Grindelwald merely said “join me” and called it a day. Yes, he did murder Leta (which was dumb) but it shows that he doesn’t care about blood status. Voldemort would have spared her for her lineage.
Voldemort leads a life of needless murder and violence. There is no reason for his kills; a prime example for this would be the mini-genocide of a bunch of goblins simply to get his anger out.
Grindelwald stood with his people. Voldemort watched from afar until he had to interfere, but only when he knew or believed that he had the upper hand.
Emotions are important. Grindelwald was able to feel every single one, but Voldemort? Love. Love was absent. Love makes a great leader; it grants you compassion and understanding. He lacked both these traits, but would beat Grindelwald in a duel. While that is true, Grindelwald would have gone down attempting to protect his followers. Why? Because he *stands with them.* They share his vision. His death would be passing the torch to them, and their last memory would be of him fighting ruthlessly against Voldemort *alongside* them.
Free will instead of fear is also a trait I admire. Fear drives people to resent you. Admiration drives people to adore you.
Calm and collected over impulsive and erratic are two personality types where there is a clear victor. Look at Bella and Molly’s duel: The former was eccentric and the latter was careful in placing her spells.
We all know the victor from this situation.
@HALEY JENKINS tysm
Actually Grindelwald wanted to dominate over muggles.
@@Fredward8 theoretically wizards are the superior race because of their natural capabilities with magic
@@phremg535 It doesn’t mean they have to dominate
@@Fredward8 but they could if they really wanted to
@6:39 Dumbledore was not dying yet at this time. He visited the House of Gaunt Shortly after the battle with Voldemort and received his wounds early summer. This was stated in book 6.
This is the day you will always remember as the day you almost caught Gellert Grindelwald
Why didn't nagini ask Voldemort to recruit her crush credence I would love to see Harry Potter try to fight an obscurus
Absolutely agree with this assessment. Dumbledore in his prime versus Voldemort in his prime Dumbledore easily wins, Dumbledore in his prime versus Grindelwald in his prime and he’s just able to win. That puts Grindelwald versus Voldemort in their primes and Grindelwald should easily win. Also if Grindelwald wasn’t in prison for 50 years he would be immensely more powerful than Voldemort
You are forgetting the Elder wand factor.
Voldemort > Grindelwald. It's a Harry Potter fact.
the elder wand or not it doesn’t matter. Dumbledore was able to best Grindelwald while he was in possession of the elder wand! so if Dumbledore didn’t have the elder wand he still would have been better then Voldemort, also again Grindelwald was dumbeldore’s equa.. that puts him over Voldemort, and again if he wasn’t imprisoned for 50 years he would be immensely more powerful
@@wadewinstonwilson3294 Grindelwald lost to Dumbledore even though he wielded the Elder wand. On the other hand, Voldemort stalemated Dumbledore while Dumbledore wielded the Elder wand. Dumbledore also needed Fawkes to save him from Voldemort's killing curse. For all that we know, Dumbledore would have died if Fawkes wasn't there. Dumbledore did say this in the Order of the Phoenix:
"I knew that Voldemort's knowledge of magic is perhaps more extensive than any wizard alive. I knew that even my most complex protective spells and charms were unlikely to be invincible if he ever returned to full power."
While Dumbledore said that Grindelwald was his near-equal, he consistently regards Voldemort as his superior throughout the books. Voldemort > Grindelwald. Full stop.
I can agree with that. Well stated rebuttal.
The paradox of Tom riddle is that he split his soul in an attempt to become more powerful, and push the boundaries of magic.
However, magical power comes from the soul. In an attempt to achieve immortality, he inadvertently weakened himself. Sure Tom riddle was a gifted wizard and a master at Dark magic; however the horcrux only made him hard to kill. Nicolas flammel and Albus Albus Dumbledore both lived longer than Tom riddle; they did not have horcrux, though the former did have the philosophers stone. I’m only a laymen at Harry Potter lore; but I’m sure other can think of wizards who’s life span exceeds Tom riddles.
Tom riddle was also only remarkably skilled in the dark arts; as far as the other magical arts? Other wizards far exceed him in charms, potions, transfiguration, etc.
He had no real accomplishments and was only a dark force to be reckoned with. In an attempt to live longer through Dark magic; he lived a shorter life than that of a white mage
I feel like magic shouldn’t be classified as “good and evil.” You could use the Cruciatus to wake someone up from a coma. Killing Curse? End someone’s suffering. Imperius? Stop a Suicide. All “light” spells can be used for malicious purposes, and all “dark” spells can be used in kindness.
@@phremg535 I agree.
“We've all got both light and dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on. That's who we really are.” It's a quote of course, but it's also true.
Another addition to your list is that Voldemort, when he was splitting his soul, was weakening his connection to his magical power while Grindelwald did not split his soul at all and kept his connection to magic secure. That is most likely why Voldemort, powerful as he was, still lost to Harry. Voldemort also did not have full control of the Elder Wand while Grindelwald did. Grindelwald had been capable of much better feats than Tom Riddle. Tom had nothing going for him.
Oh sorry I did not read your comment fully. You did say that Voldemort got weaker due to his lack of soul. Sorry.
@@phremg535 Nah. Cruciatus curse can not be powered by righteous anger, proven in order of the Phoenix when Harry tried to use it on Bellatrix. You have to want to cause someone pain for the simple purpose of causing pain. The imperious curse can not be cast for the benefit of the person it is cast on, rather for the benefit of the person who cast it. Proven in Hallows when used on a goblin for the Potter groups benefit in accessing Bellatrix's vault. Avada Kedavra requires a cold blooded intent to kill. Not a righteous end of suffering. As proven by the statement that splitting the soul requires premeditated cold blooded murder and the fact that Tom's soul fragment attached itself to Harry because he had fractured his soul with the murder of a defenseless Lily Potter.
Grindelwald's understanding of the magical arts literally made Voldy look like a fucking TODDLER. He was eons more advanced than him. If he had WANTED TO, he would have absolutely obliterate Voldermort, I promise you, hands down. He didn't care. It wasn't a goal or even a spec of grass to him. Grindlewald is the greatest dark wizard to ever live. His VOICE alone had more authority and power than Voldermort could EVER hope to gain. The power of sheer WORDS that influence the heart and mind, transcending ALL MAGIC.
J.K. Rowling disagrees'
Grindelwald is actually an intimidating foe due to his mastery of the elder wand whereas Voldemort does not do anything as cool as Grindlewald besides blowing up the shield around hogwarts.
That famous duel will come down to “love” that’s where Dumbledore will begin to research it and eventually give Harry his thoughts on why he survived the killing curse.
Grindelwald all the way. he's so much more stronger, and powerful, than Voldermort, because Voldermort is more of a dictator to Grindelwald's revolutionist, and a revolutionist is more powerful, and stronger than a dictator. Grindelwald is my all time favorite dark wizard.
Except he isn’t. The books say explicitly that Voldemort was more powerful than Grindelwald. Dumbledore himself says it.
@@SarastistheSerpent Except, it is not. See, 'it is stated in the books' is a bad explanation. McGonagall was voldy's contemporary in the books. In the movie, she's shown as atleast 20+years older. Franchise keep changing and JKR writes whatever she wants to write.
Even then, I don't know where you read it, but what the books say is that Voldemort was the greatest 'dark' wizard, which is true in a literal sense of dark. Voldemort was darker and creepier, and was obsessed with any magic that was dark and exotic.
Also, explicitly stated in the book, the best voldy could do was duel against three aurors at the same time.
We've seen Grindelwald duel with 20+ aurors with ease.
@@ajathashatru1
"greatest dark wizard" does not mean "darkest dark wizard."
it means the greatest of the dark wizards, the same category Grindewald falls into. therefore, voldy is a greater wizard than he. and that statement is chronologically after the defeat of Grindyboi.
Voldemort is stronger.
the books say that he fought 3 aurors at the same time, but didn't state that was the best he could do.
the movies can't retcon book-cannon.
whenever FBaWtFT contradicts the 7 cannon books, the books are right, and the movies are wrong.
like when Newt accios the niffler. non-sense. you can't accio living things. because if you could, the entire Harry Potter saga would have ended in the first chapter.
so that's a entirely necessary magical rule, that those movies can't simply retcon.
"the dark lord raised his wand, and with a hateful hiss uttered one of the least destructive spells in all of known magic, that would this night have devastating consequences.
"Accio baby Harry Potter," he said in his inhuman rasp.
once the defenseless baby boy had reached his grasp, he dashed his soft head against the brick wall, and stopped the prophecy from coming true, and took over the world.
the end"
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JK can indeed write whatever she wants to write, but she can't unpublish anything.
and her twitter feed is not cannon, either.
Grindelwald was retroactively made stronger in order to make the prequel movies more interesting.
he showed a greater diversity of magic because people complained that all the magic in the Harry Potter was the same (which it was. everything just sent people flying backwards. only difference was the colour).
these cinematic choices do not alter, nor inform cannon.
@@steffenf.7031 If that's your way of saying that the book and the FB series are separate, then all I'm implying is that the Grindelwald of the Fantastic beasts is certainly more dangerous, more powerful than Voldemort of the books, who was more dark, more creepy but less charismatic and certainly less inspiring.
@@steffenf.7031 in my opinion, voldemort was a more powerful dark wizard because he was more ruthless and evil, but that does not mean he is a more powerful wizard overall. I think it is fair to say grindelwald would destroy voldemort in a duel. The books show us that a weak, old, and imprisoned grindelwald, can keep one of the greatest legilimens (Voldemort) out of his head
Did anyone else notice that Grindelwald has some type of hypnotic voice that compels others to do his bidding. I noticed when talking to others they seem to focus on his every word. More so, he was looking at the female wizard in the mausoleum and she lashed out when he said your anger allows you to lash out, not quoting.
great video!
Dumbledore's hand hadn't been cursed yet when he confronted Voldemort at the end of Order of the Phoenix.
Curse in hand at half blood of prince part
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Voldemort: Has no nose; can’t breathe well
Grindelwald: Has a nose; can breathe well
Done, only logical explanation
What a great video! I've always enjoyed your content, but this one takes the cake! You've analyzed the characters in a fascinating way and made me seen them anew. I agree with your assessment of Voldemort's weaknesses. He always struck me as a damaged person, even before the horcruxes. His fear of death was the focus of his entire existence. He was chained to this idea. It was his compass, and as such, it limited him and his potential. He was like a one trick pony. We never got to see him interested in anything other than the acquisition of power and his own survival -- much moreso the latter! There is so much more to magic than those two things, and he seemed ostentatiously blind to it.
Grindelwald would look more badass if he dressed like Captain Jack Sparrow!
@@jaansunny7939 U mean CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow?
I wanna see a drunk Grindelwald now 🤣
I know is a joke but please no... i am done with JD acting all as Captain Jack now.
Mixture of everything I want to drink with him! 🤣
Grindelwald : why is the rum gone 😂😂
He should hide his horcruxes in his nose nobody would have found it
He doesn't have a nose
He should hide them in his nose before he loses it @Aarons vlogs
@@seifomeifo3953 none of events would take place then
@@aaronsvlogs4092 r/whooooooosh
Maybe his nose was a horcruxe but then it got destroyed,and that children is why Voldy has no nose 😂.
and it looks like we will now never see the duel between dumbledore and grindelwald on the big screen
The most evil being in the Harry Potter universe is Amber Heard
Dethrones umbridge LOL. I never thought this day would come
What If snape didn’t hear the prophecy?
What If snape didn’t live near the Evans?
What If alberferth didn’t sent Dobby in malfoy manor?
What If snape never became a death eater?
What If Harry keep talk about Cedric in hogsmeade with cho?(chorry fan)
These All deserve a seperate video...
Sarthak Sonawane thanks
If snape didn't hear the prophecy lily and James wouldn't be dead. Harry would have lived a "normal" life
What if tommy the noseless didnt had the convinience of horcruxes 😮
There would have been no Harry Potter Universe then...
Grindelwald was always aware of the power of love, and welcomed death; whereas Voldemort attempted to conquer the world out of fear that he would one day die, and underestimated the power of love.
The best summary of this video is from Gandalf: He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.
I’m ashamed to say I haven’t subscribed, but I listen to videos every day and this one made me subscribe. Top notch.
Please do "Why one of Grindelwald's followers was able to fight the obscurus like it was nothing, when Grindelwald struggled against it in the previous film"
did he strugle with it? i think he didnt wanted to use his full power on the obscurus because he could end up killing it, so he pretended he was helpless in that last scene from the first movie, but you can see that he apparates when the obscurus is about to attack him. i dont think grindelwald would have a problem defending himselff or even killing the obscurus if he truly wanted.
He was holding back his true power so he could not be revealed or plot needed him to be weak.
TokuTickler, Grindelwald was acting like Percival Graves and in order to make everyone think it is still graves and not Grindelwald, he had to mimic the same power level.
Maybe because he was using somebody else's wand? And he would've exposed himself.
@@KNullHypothesis maybe Percival graves can also do that to a degree, maybe he is the best the american wizards have got. so him being a powerhouse is not out of the ordinary for him.
I'm a simple man, I get a notification that HPF uploaded a video, I watch it, I click like. It's not glamorous but it's who I am.
Well done. I never thought about it like that.
The curse was not already on Dumbledore’s hand when he dueled Voldemort in the Ministry.
Man, you have done it now, I have waiting for this video.. I have always believed Grindelwald was Far Superior to Voldemort
Then you’ve obviously not read the books.
@@SarastistheSerpent the books state that an old, weak, and imprisoned grindelwald, can keep one of the greatest legilimens (Voldemort) out of his head
Grindelwald is my favorite character.
The way i see it is grindlewald is more skilled and has more technical magical prowess than Voldemort whilst Voldemort has more raw destructive power.
Skilled? Also no
A better way to put this is Grindelwald knows his magic and has harnessed it while Voldemort hasn’t really realized a limit or how to control his.
Except Voldemort performs way more skillful acts of magic than Grindelwald. Sorry, but the books are clear. Voldemort>Grindelwald.
@@SarastistheSerpent FINALLY someone who actually paid attention
@@phremg535 Voldemort has perfect control tho?
How doesnt he have control?and voldemort? Limits? He breaks limits
The thing with Voldemort, is that he was deep in mysticism, more then reality.
He liked and wanted to be unique and special, so the thought of being connected with the founder of Hogwarts really appealed to him, and also having object related to the school(His diary, was his school diary, perhaps the happiest days of his life).
That also means he could never make a simple stone and horcrux, nor throw them at the bottom of the ocean where no one could reach it. Grimgotts was another exemple, linking himself to something deeply rooted in the magical world, in a vault of one of the older and richest family(Lestrange vault).
It was more then just being immortal, he wanted to be a sort of idol or god, above all other wizard, where he rules all. HE had to become important, because he was born very unimportant. Every pieces of him needed to have a symbolic importance, because he couldn't lower part of himself under the "common".
It's the equivalent of being a "chosen one" in many cult in today's society, or being of significance historically.
Hating his real name Tom, because it's way too common of a name. His own nature, was his own downfall.
I never asked this question. Excellent video
Noice job on the vid, u truely changed my mind on who’s more powerful 👌
Complete biased fanfiction. Read the books if you've got time.
Achyuth Thouta found a triggered Voldemort fanboy
@@achyuththouta6957 the books didn't go into Grindelwald's power. Well, it kind of did: it showed us that a weak, old and imprisoned grindelwald can keep Voldemort from invading his mind
Voldemort lost time a couple kids, and always ran when multiple grown ups showed up. Grindelwald is seen fighting multiple ministry people at the same time. Voldemort had to have someone else kill Dumbledore while Grindelwald was defeated because of Dumbledore.
Good Work
If only Grindlewalds story continued more and was still played by Johnny Depp
Literally been dying for Dean to post another video❤️
We all!
I’ve been waiting for this video
Wow, that was mind-blowing and makes a great deal of sense.
06:37 - No. Dubmledore got hit by the necklaces curse in the summer AFTER this duel.