@@AvrilPayne I agree Avril. Yes, they definitely have written & recorded a lot of great songs since, and I really enjoy some of their post-Forbes albums (purists may diss "Once Upon A Time", but I think it's a fantastic album..and all good bands DO evolve..). The new bass players were/are good...BUT, what they lost was Derek's obvious mastery of the bass...it was THAT sound that was both percussive & tuneful, and sat in the mix perfectly. His baselines were always propelling the songs forward, supported the mood, and featured impeccable timing & technique. IMHO, all of this, gave their music a more aggressive edge, an urgency which complimented the drumming & provided the perfect foil to more atmospheric lush sounds of Charlie & Mick & the full baritone from Jim. 👍😎👍 (BTW, I'd say the same thing about the band after Mick left. It was all about that key word again, "Mastery", which represented what the band lost when Mick went his own way...)
@@derekbaker3279 Completely agree - the combination of Forbes driving circular riffs and MacNeils spooky and eerie keyboards (usually in a minor key) gave them a genuine alternative vibe on the early masterpieces - in particular Real to Real and Empires. When that went it became more stadium, more mainstream and less interesting - I never liked Burchill's guitar that much, was a bit of jangly nonsense most of the time. The guts and brains were with Derek and Mick - even McGee's cranky claustrophobic drumming (similar to Stephen Morris in Joy Div) was better than the 'big kit' bombastic stuff that came later.
Memories of recording these songs on cassette and playing them over and over. John Peel was the best - never ever spoke over a song. Even on fade-out tracks he waited till the very end. Respect for the artists and very good for us recording these gems! (Although I do wish now I had recorded the entire shows just to hear his voice and wit and humour now)
to be honest most DJs would talk over the end of songs to stop people taping them for music piracy/profiterring. But yeah, good on Peel for not giving a damn about that.
As per the Peel session from 1979 amazing. You can hear the arrangement improved a bit since then but, still the same raw energy and sound. SM thank you....
For me, they were never quite the same after Derek Forbes left - his bass was the driving force behind their best sound - I still totally respect them though
" Superb Session " With Simple Minds Who Were Still At This Juncture " Displaying Their " Formidable " Art Rock Credentials " And With " The Gargantuan Musical Gates Of " Stadium Rock " Awaiting 2 Be Opened For Them !! From Adrian Browne 1965
They blew away all the other bands at that time, with, perhaps the notable exception of Japan. There was a darkness within their music that floated on the killer bass lines of Derek Forbes. SITR was the point where they began to teeter on the edge, and although I do not begrudge their commercial success with their later albums, I began to loose interest. This period was amazing though.
I agree with that comment. The first 5 album’s pushed sonically the art form of the “pop” song beyond anything emotionally that had been done before and arguably since. Saw them live twice.
Oh my, Simple Minds when they were a vital, up-and-coming outfit. They didn't rely on writing hooky pop songs as much, and mixed in some interesting soundscapes. Good stuff.
Chart success meant the end of creativity for most bands in the post 82 period. Simple Minds are one of the best examples of this and the stadium rock doesn't come to their output from 79-82
This Captures Simple Minds In There " New Gold Dream " Golden Era Incarnation " And For Me At least It " Still Remains There Most " Challenging Experimental Phase " !!! From Adrian Browne 1965
Sounds like the genuine article on Promised You A Miracle. The part on King Is White is quite different to the Ogletree (rather, Gaynor-plays-Ogletree) one, too.
The transition to mainstream is here in these tracks. I saw them live for the first time in Sept 1982 in Edinburgh after falling in love w I Travel and the Empires & Dance LP. New Gold Dream was the end for me, as 'Sprinkle in the Tinkle' was just awful. 🤣
Diverse cose interessanti e un paio di pezzi piuttosto BRUTTI, lunghi e noiosi. Cosi' la penso. Da estimatore (della prima ora, gli italiani mi capiranno e non gli altri) del gruppo scozzese.
The bass on these tunes comes from another world. Just mesmeric.
They were never, ever the same after Kerr kicked Forbes out.
@@AvrilPayne I agree Avril. Yes, they definitely have written & recorded a lot of great songs since, and I really enjoy some of their post-Forbes albums (purists may diss "Once Upon A Time", but I think it's a fantastic album..and all good bands DO evolve..). The new bass players were/are good...BUT, what they lost was Derek's obvious mastery of the bass...it was THAT sound that was both percussive & tuneful, and sat in the mix perfectly. His baselines were always propelling the songs forward, supported the mood, and featured impeccable timing & technique. IMHO, all of this, gave their music a more aggressive edge, an urgency which complimented the drumming & provided the perfect foil to more atmospheric lush sounds of Charlie & Mick & the full baritone from Jim. 👍😎👍 (BTW, I'd say the same thing about the band after Mick left. It was all about that key word again, "Mastery", which represented what the band lost when Mick went his own way...)
@@derekbaker3279 Completely agree - the combination of Forbes driving circular riffs and MacNeils spooky and eerie keyboards (usually in a minor key) gave them a genuine alternative vibe on the early masterpieces - in particular Real to Real and Empires. When that went it became more stadium, more mainstream and less interesting - I never liked Burchill's guitar that much, was a bit of jangly nonsense most of the time. The guts and brains were with Derek and Mick - even McGee's cranky claustrophobic drumming (similar to Stephen Morris in Joy Div) was better than the 'big kit' bombastic stuff that came later.
Memories of recording these songs on cassette and playing them over and over. John Peel was the best - never ever spoke over a song. Even on fade-out tracks he waited till the very end. Respect for the artists and very good for us recording these gems! (Although I do wish now I had recorded the entire shows just to hear his voice and wit and humour now)
to be honest most DJs would talk over the end of songs to stop people taping them for music piracy/profiterring. But yeah, good on Peel for not giving a damn about that.
Yes, I know what you mean, and if only I had recorded his voice more.
Simple Minds , la mejor banda de la New Wave. Disfrutando esta sesión en una fría madrugada de la Patagonia Argentina❤🇦🇷
Remember them this way!
The skill of a band is evident when they sound as good or better live / in Peel's studio than on their album.
Fabulous that early sound never bettered.
If ever one was at the MADHOUSE in HAMBURG in the late '80s, one knows also know how thrilling it was to listen LOVE SONG at 110 db
As per the Peel session from 1979 amazing. You can hear the arrangement improved a bit since then but, still the same raw energy and sound. SM thank you....
Thanks for posting all of these peel sessions man, they are all really good!
♫ Promised you a miracle Belief is a beauty thing Promises promises As golden days break wondering...♫ Genios, grandes, de lo mejor de los 80
For me, they were never quite the same after Derek Forbes left - his bass was the driving force behind their best sound - I still totally respect them though
Much like New Order losing Peter Hook.
@@TheBoffomundoShow New Order without Hooky is not acceptable.
This is the correct read.
@@TheBoffomundoShow Like Echo and the Bunnymen without drummer, Pete de Freitas.
@@hazelwray5307 Like The Cure without Simon Gallup
Saw them in a small venue in Detroit, I believe 1st American tour, synthesizers had a haunting feel to them!
David Millinoff What year was that? I was probably 11 or 12 years old at the time. Was this at Clutch Cargo’s? I was born a few years too late!
@@discosecret6363 It was 1981
Love these versions..
these peel sessions were an incredible showcase/vehicle... bands like B-movie, cook da books, simple minds
This is low key the best thing they ever did. The raw / almost punk sound suits them well.
desert island stuff, still sounds superb after decades
" Superb Session " With Simple Minds Who Were Still At This Juncture " Displaying Their " Formidable " Art Rock Credentials " And With " The Gargantuan Musical Gates Of " Stadium Rock " Awaiting 2 Be Opened For Them !! From Adrian Browne 1965
GREAT!
They blew away all the other bands at that time, with, perhaps the notable exception of Japan. There was a darkness within their music that floated on the killer bass lines of Derek Forbes. SITR was the point where they began to teeter on the edge, and although I do not begrudge their commercial success with their later albums, I began to loose interest. This period was amazing though.
I agree with that comment. The first 5 album’s pushed sonically the art form of the “pop” song beyond anything emotionally that had been done before and arguably since. Saw them live twice.
fenomenalno!
Oh my, Simple Minds when they were a vital, up-and-coming outfit. They didn't rely on writing hooky pop songs as much, and mixed in some interesting soundscapes. Good stuff.
What a great session, thanks to Vibra and of course Peelie🙏
Espetacular
Such a fresh and original sound. Although their later music was good, it never came close to this period.
I love their album “new gold dream!”
Chart success meant the end of creativity for most bands in the post 82 period. Simple Minds are one of the best examples of this and the stadium rock doesn't come to their output from 79-82
Oldies but goldies
Johnny and the Self Abusers learned to respect their Simple Mindedness! Fantastic band!
excellent band
This Captures Simple Minds In There " New Gold Dream " Golden Era Incarnation " And For Me At least It " Still Remains There Most " Challenging Experimental Phase " !!! From Adrian Browne 1965
Hyslop on drums, I believe. Interesting
Not sure if it’s Gaynor on drums, possibly Hyslop or Ogletree ?
Hyslop
Kenny Hyslop on drums?
Sounds like the genuine article on Promised You A Miracle. The part on King Is White is quite different to the Ogletree (rather, Gaynor-plays-Ogletree) one, too.
Jim Kerr lijkt op Bart De Wever
Ultrabass
The transition to mainstream is here in these tracks.
I saw them live for the first time in Sept 1982 in Edinburgh after falling in love w I Travel and the Empires & Dance LP. New Gold Dream was the end for me, as 'Sprinkle in the Tinkle' was just awful. 🤣
Bands/artists have to go in new directions or they die. What would you have had them do?
Empires and Dance....not a false beat :)
:-D
Diverse cose interessanti e un paio di pezzi piuttosto BRUTTI, lunghi e noiosi. Cosi' la penso. Da estimatore (della prima ora, gli italiani mi capiranno e non gli altri) del gruppo scozzese.
Great session. Interestingly, the experts say this was from May 1982, not February. See www.simpleminds.org/sm/songs/sessions.htm
There are recordings of the first broadcast on 1st March 1982 as well as the repeat on 23rd March 1982, so perhaps the experts are wrong