The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling | Chapters 4-7 | ELITE PICK of June 2023
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The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling is an audio documentary that examines some of the most contentious conflicts of our time through the life and career of the world’s most successful author. In conversation with host Megan Phelps-Roper, J.K. Rowling speaks with unprecedented candor and depth about the controversies surrounding her-from book bans to debates on gender and sex. The series also examines the forces propelling this moment in history through interviews with Rowling’s supporters and critics, journalists, historians, clinicians, and more.
The movement for trans rights hits its stride in the early 2010s but encounters fierce resistance from an unexpected source. J.K. Rowling watches the battle unfold with mounting unease. Produced by Andy Mills, Matthew Boll, and Megan Phelps-Roper, with special thanks to Candace Mittel Kahn and Emily Yoffe. This show is proudly sponsored by the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. FIRE believes free speech makes free people. Learn more at thefire.org.
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This Podcast has got to be one of the best I've ever listened to. My mom started listening to it and recommended it to me. I absolutely LOVE IT. I am more empathetic towards trans people now too. I love how JKR stook to her beleifs. I love how you got the other side of the story also. Although i don't agree with Natalie as much, i can still respect her. I agree that some of this is a step too far. For me, this podcast checks pretty much all the boxes for me. It challenged my beleifs but also proved me right in my beliefs. Highly recommend this podcast, not only for JKR's defense, but also for the good of the people. For people to see some of the problems in todays world. Thank you for this amazing podcast!! 💗💗💗
Oh wow. Noah!! What a wonderful thoughtful young person. I wish more people were as sensible and thoughtful as you. I wish you all the best for your future!! I sincerely hope you will find happiness!!
JK Rowling you are amazing!! You are so much deeper and so much more nuanced than I ever thought. I wish our society was less polarised and there was more listening, less shouting. Thank you for caring!!
Thank you all for making this podcast. A masterpiece!!
JK Rowling is an amazing woman.
Bravo team! Coming from a place of despair at the increasingly polarised irrationality in most every corner I'm moved to tears of relief just for hearing reasonable, reasoned discussion. Of course I'm also much enlightened by the balanced coverage. Thankyou so very much ❣️👏
Thank you for this thoughtful, careful work. After the description of Ms Rowling standing in front of the graduating class at Harvard as a proponent of failure, we're brought to the critical idea (and hope) that many of the people who've screamed the foulest, basest abuse at the face of reason will accept, that in direct controversion to the choice of the people who've made this podcast, they've chosen to deploy their right to expression by making fools of themselves and by harming others. Grace is what happens when we accept failure by forgiving ourselves for being fools and can see others as we see ourselves. Rowling and Phelps-Roper lead us there, each by the example of their own examined lives. Thank you again.
JK Rowling is my hero - and a wonderful writer.
I loved this series. I reflected on my own position and i'm now more empathetic towards trans people . Thank you
I'm more empathetic to JKR
I'm really glad the podcast had this effect on you, but I hope you understand that JKR's rhetoric and the people she associates with are in opposition to trans rights. Whether Megan and JKR are empathetic to trans people has little to do with the results of Rowling's rhetoric and support of outright transphobes (including people who are allied with neonazis). This sounds extreme, but Natalie/Contrapoints documents this thoroughly in her video response to the podcast. I personally have a lot of respect for Megan for leaving the Westboro Baptist Church, I believe she's a kind and empathetic person, but her platforming JKR like this is unacceptable
Dont care@@olivesusername
@@littlebird2573clearly do if you replied XD
@@olivesusername FYI-'Contra Points' is a man.His voice is annoying,men like him give themselves away by using that fake,whiney tone.
Has trans men ever fought for the right to be in male prisons?
Never heard of anything like this.
no, because they are biologically females and that would probably end up with them being severely abused by biological violent men.
All the problems seem to be coming from men who claim to be women.
The worst thing about this podcast is that it is highly editorialized with lots of commentary. Would have preferred minimal editing with a lengthy conversation with Jo Rowling. I dont know why Megan decided to follow the 60 minutes model here...
I agree , Rowling speaks eloquently and we could have done with more , nine hours of conversation were recorded and I would have liked to hear bits of that.
The contributions from many different sources with a multitude of opinions however made for constant interest so Im hoping editorial style rather than any edtorial bias is what gets under my skin a little .
I actually admired Meghan’s approach to this podcast. You need all the commentary from different people with different backgrounds so the podcast doesn’t come off as one-sided.
Just amazing.
I wonder who was the first to come up with this idea that sex and gender are a social construct 🤔. I wonder who could have done it.
Judith Butler.
Nobody? You probably mean that gender is social construct...which is true. It's just like money - something being a social construct doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, or doesn't mean anything - it does, and society decides it's rules. As for sex - that refers to biology - it isn't binary either. Intersex people are much more common than people realize. It is very recent that we started to talk about these things openly, but you must remember, that none of it is new, and we were bound to eventually expand our understanding of biological sex and gender roles. Of course, new things always seem scary or even gross for most people.
p3dos in academia
Are you gonna say The Jews? Cuz it seems like you're gonna say The Jews.
I do think Natalie is being a bit disingenous here. She seems to think that detransitioners are very rare and waves it off as if it's not a big deal. I think so much of the 'moral panic' as she calls it comes from the fact that if a young person does get rushed into transition, that person may be permanently sterile, sexually imputent and changed other in irreversible ways. The consequences of getting it wrong are so high and not to be taken lightly, especially with minors.
Gender transition doesn't have to be extreme or dangerous, the idea that it does comes from social pressure to conform to gender roles. Voice training, high quality chest binders, and gender therapy are all forms of gender care that have zero negative long-term effects. Puberty blockers given to minors have little to no long-term effects, if a kid chooses to stop taking them, they'll go through puberty as they would have otherwise. Speaking of long-term effects, though, trans people who can't legally access hormones often get them from sketchy places, people have gotten sick and even died from this. Acceptance of trans people and gender variance should be our goal, and JKR is actively fighting against it
@@olivesusername That isn't who I'm talking about. I'm talking about minors that get placed on the full transition track way too young. I'm not necessarily against minors experimenting with gender roles and social transition. However many people get fast tracked onto hormones, and those definitely do have an effect. There is a reason why the Tavistock center in the UK was under investigation and why people like Chloe Cole are speaking out, people are being harmed by malpractice. Adults can fully transition physically. Minors should not.
@@Rosef1re im not trans so I can’t speak to whether minors should be able to get surgery and hormones (though I’m inclined to believe there are cases where they should), I just wanna emphasize the risk of limiting access to gender care. There are far more genuine trans people in the world than detransitioners, and far more transphobes than trans people; transphobes use detransitioners to push their agenda, ultimately limiting resources for trans people as a whole. Your concerns are valid, but i think are outweighed by the risks of restricting access to gender care, which is inaccessible enough as it is
@@olivesusername i'm not talking about limiting access to care for adults. I'm talking about minors who can't consent. Please listen to Chloe Cole at least if you want to see why some people are worried about minors transitioning too quickly.
@@Rosef1re i just watched her interview with Jade Martin. I’m glad there’s women speaking up about their detransitioning experience, it’s a real thing that people go through and a good resource for other people considering detransitioning. But she got some things wrong. For example Chloe implied that HRT could cause birth defects in babies. Maybe if the pregnant person is CURRENTLY taking testosterone, there’s an effect, but if they’ve stopped, the baby will be fine. It was enlightening to hear Jade talk about how she was treated by doctors, how quick they were to withhold information and prescribe her hormones. That’s a real issue, doctors over-prescribe expensive and dangerous medications & procedures to children that damage them for life. However, none of this justifies Chloe advocating ending gender transition for children entirely. Whether or not detransitioning is a real issue, this is a transphobic goal. She could be advocating for better mental healthcare for children with a focus on gender therapy, something in her interest that trans people would happily support. But she isn’t. She’s not fighting for a good cause
Our mantra back in the day was “we’re here, we’re queer, get used it to.” Our sense of self worth wasn’t determined by what others thought or by bigots, it was determined by our own sense of liberation. I assume it still is for the gay guys, anyway.
To base your sense of self worth on how others respond to you sounds exhausting, and in some cases, it’s a hope too far. Don’t worry about what others think, because if you are chasing that, you are destined for disappointment.
Go listen to the full podcast. It is excellent.
Great podcast ..
yo, noah got played by the imterviewer lol
So ...Harvard didn't change all that much, or is returning to it's roots...delivering "witch" hunters
Only the last 30 minutes of the last chapter was listening to. What JK had to say was far more interesting than all the padding forced in by the makers of this .
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The lack of self awareness of some of these vile tweet senders who use the most disgusting terminology is astounding.
Inappropriate to involve a minor in smtg that's going to be this high profile.
I am a 67 year old geezer. When I finally got broadband around 2010, I quickly found TH-cam.
I have always been an atheist, and I liked that atheist programs helped me to improve my language in expressing why I feel as I do. In my real world, I rarely met atheists.
But then at some point, atheist TH-camrs bought big into outage over the perceived denial of rights to trans people.
As time passed, I began to see a consistent outrage and intolerance toward those who dared to wonder.
Rowling and Dawkins are obvious celebrity victims of delusional outrage. I have always thought we humans were a bit tribal and dumb, but the internet really made clear that I had previously overestimated the wisdom of my species.
Adults, do as you choose, but a trans-woman can never be a woman. I am not angry or offended. I see it as elaborate cosplay. I don't wish to hurt feelings, just don't expect me to lie.
So many atheist TH-camrs seem unable or unwilling to recognize some irony in their dogma.
Lastly, it saddens me that TERF is now a word in my vocabulary.
As someone who would consider themselves in the LGBT community, would you be interested in saying if this podcast accurately weighed the concerns of the trans community? Will I disagree with Rowling's position on the topic (very much so), I was hoping to explore both sides of the debate here. Yet the first 3 chapters really have set up a comparison to the earlier bookbans I find that doesn't really fit it's comparison.
For me, the book bans were a free speech problem, while this is a matter of if trans women should be allowed to redefine the relationship between sex and gender. While this can be very easily something people disagree on, and I am free to wait to see what society changes too, I don't think this podcast is really exploring the debate. Rather, it makes it seem that it is a moral absolute that J.K.s position is valid (which truly I don't think she is wrong to believe this, it's her belief), and her speaking out on the topic is a protection of free speech. I believe she is wrong to wish the trans movement continues on course, and to me that is also within trans peoples right. If the majority may decide the definition of women changes, then it must change.
I think exploring why Rowling believes the definition of women shouldn't change is important, as it could help *stop* people from attacking her, and believing her books as something akin to hate speech. Yet, we should also justly consider that we shouldn't oppress the freedoms of trans women, especially if society has decided the definition of gender should be changed.
I will keep listening, but I'm concerned that if this podcast is already against the beliefs being discussed here, it can't truly be an exploration of the conflict.
@@zaiquiriw Perhaps I am biased, since I already agree with Rowling. What makes this fascinating to me is the vitriol, threats, and invectives hurled at her for stating her opinion. It is the tribal ferocity that goes too far for my tastes.
>"Yet, we should also justly consider that we shouldn't oppress the freedoms of trans women, especially if society has decided the definition of gender should be changed."< To my thinking, it is a mind state that contradicts observable reality. Psychological treatment seems in order.
If an adult fellow decides to have his pecker lopped off, that he might pretend to be more womanly, so be it. He must also find a surgeon who is willing to mutilate a healthy body part.
But in my estimation, a man cannot transmission into a woman because it defies reality. Anatomy is real.
@@ponyboygarfunkel1675 sorry for missing your response, and thank you for responding! I think it is indeed a psychiatric condition. At the base level a lot of people unfortunately have real problems. I think I'd argue the two positions might be outlooks on the treatment. If someone physiologically believes they are in the wrong body 100% undenied, then you can either (oversimplified): convince them otherwise, or get rid of stimuli that triggers the condition. The easier choice, the trans person would argue, is to remove the stimuli. So they decide they are going to take the definition of sex and gender and split the two in half. One is the biological traits (sex), and the other is basically all of the things we do in reaction to those traits (stimuli).
I really do get being against this decision, two split the two. It's inconvenient, it is vague as hell, and it means sexual safety and previously rich culture of gendered expectations (Rowling of course cares about the preservation of the woman's feminist movement).
The people who are okay making the change are people who are okay with these drawbacks, probably because they didn't like something about how it worked before. Like some social standard for women to wear one thing and men another. Of course there are biological reasons for those standards. My trivial example being that some clothes probably just look better on a woman's average shape. But the LGBT people just decided not to care.
To me, it's morally irrelevant which side you choose, up to when it concerns the health and happiness of those involved. Trans people will definitely inconvenience people who are gender critical. Gender critical people will definitely inconvenience people who are trans.
People who react so damn harshly to Rowling are just scared they won't get to do what they want to be happy (They fear Rowling will fund gender critical programs and political movements). And Rowling is concerned that the safety of woman is at stake.
Now. To really think about it personally. I'm sad to say my bias can't be excused. I feel like Rowling and others are rightfully concerned about this culture shift impacting their safety, but are over reacting by treating the whole movement as harmful. Sadly, I don't think there is a compromise at this point. For issues like bathrooms, I do indeed think they offered safety to women, but I just think more trans people would benefit if the safe spaces were changed.
It's a question of if those trans people (and those who just don't care) have the right to complicate these things at the risk of the safety of anybody by deciding that gender is some separate concept, however marginal the chances of harm.
I think the less you experience the conveniences of gender roles, the less you care. So young people like myself are less likely to care (I'm 23 so barely in the workforce).
Sorry for ranting. It helps me crystallize my thoughts here. I wish I could apologize for the vitriol of those attacking Rowling. But I think they are extremely passionate about a social change that benefits them, and I don't believe Rowling should act to prevent the change as much as she would like (considering she is against the change overall). At best I can apologize that people have turned this into a life or death issue, because I think in a less violent world it wouldn't matter.
P.S. I am different from most trans people in that a lot of trans people literally believe gender is some assigned unchangeable thing ("I was always a man" type stuff), yet also say it still has no bearing on sex. I think that's having your cake and eating it too. I prefer that we redefine it to just having the concept of sex (male/female/intersex edge cases) and then just have this new culture around what we used to just call gender (man/woman). By this I mean, treating it like a label that is free to move with culture, both from one person's perspective and those who interact with them.
I could keep ranting but it really is all nonsense that stems from the whole "gender as a separate concept that is a label not a fact" thing. Which really is hard to change someone's mind over.
Sorry again for the length if you read this.
@@zaiquiriw >"People who react so damn harshly to Rowling are just scared they won't get to do what they want to be happy"< Perhaps, but I see quite a bit of self-righteous tribalism, which is particularly amusing to see among "skeptics." Many atheist TH-camrs are among the strongest advocates for "trans activism."
>"But I think they are extremely passionate about a social change that benefits them, and I don't believe Rowling should act to prevent the change as much as she would like (considering she is against the change overall)."< Many of us, including me, see these causes as nonsensical because they defy observable reality..
Generally speaking, I don't mind if an adult male decides to have his pecker lopped off and goes about claiming to be a woman. I would likely get along with such a person in the real world, but I won't lie. Such a person remains a man.
It is a world full of personalities; masculine women, feminine men, and on and on it goes...
We humans are a fascinating study.
JK Rowling's means well but she doesn't understand she was attacked not because she was a woman but simply because she disagreed. The people who attacked her attack everyone who disagree with them in the exact same way because of course they do.
we are. with you JK Rowling
IMPORTANT NOTE BEFORE SOME OF Y'ALL GET RILED UP: Please don't take this the wrong way. I did NOT post this whole podcast as a sign that I SUPPORT J.K. Rowling at all. This is just simply out here publicly to see any mixed reactions how y'all feel about this whole situation. I hope this clarifies things.
I learned a lot from your podcast. Thank you.
Do you have any indication that JK Rowling has listened to this in its entirety?
I would be curious to hear what she thought about all she heard.
Hearing people go "Oh, adolescence is uncomfortable for many people"-- they are missing the mark. This is a neurological disorder where the yr physical sensation is messed up. It's like having a thick coating of dead tissue stuck on you, it's genuinely nauseating and you want to just peel yr skin off literally. Zero memories not including the feeling of trying to ignore my dysphoria, it was ruining my life. Imagine having a dead arm sewn on you and everyone's like it's fine it's fine. It's not fucking fine, it's scary and gross.
The new young woke generation’s are developing into more aggressive alternative egalitarian ultraistic beings. They attached themselves to certain issues, that’s their choice, group think, ideology, mindset, collectivism “
as someone who’s lived through teenage girlhood, i dont understand any of the questions or “concerns” people have towards the existence of trans people. especially trans women.
ive been a victim of multiple unwanted sexual advances, not once has my aggressor been a trans woman. ive been followed into a bathroom by a man, he didnt need to “dress up” to enter the bathroom. not because of trans acceptance, but because no one actually cared about my saftey as a teenaged girl.
trans womanhood has not impacted my life the way “biological” manhood has, why do people like Jk rowling act like trans women are the #1 aggressors of people like me. there are no genuine questions being asked, only ideas being planted in people even my age nowadays. my heart aches for the teenage trans girls i know, i cant imagine how painful it is living through life with this background noise of being called a predator.
FYI 'trans women' ARE men,so they are part of the demographic that you were harmed by.
@@Cat-wi6jeATEE
Any man that calls himself a woman,demands that society see him as a woman,demands access to female spaces is 100% a predator.You really need to look at the statistics,for 2 % of the population trans identified men have a huge score of rape,assault,threatening and harming women and girls.
@@Thornbush3s Hush up silly child.
You really need to see some statistics.Men who identify as women and demand access to women and girls spaces ARE predators.Shame on the person that gave you a heart❤
I feel so betrayed by JK. I remeber reading her novels, under the blanket with a headlight and I was thinking - she is writing for people just like me, I'm gonna make it some day.
And then she became transphobic.
Sometimes in school, a teacher can go over several different ways to understand something like 2+2=4. Then that teacher asks a student in the back, "So, what is 2+2?" The student shrugs, and when pressed says, "7?"
This reminds me of that.