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First they came for the celebrities
Defending Natalie is bigotry.
@@Titanicsubmarine Begone, vile man. Begone from me! I am untethered and my rage knows no bounds!
And I did not speak out, because I have no mouth, and I must scream
and yet I'm living for your Stevie Nicks realness. #yasQueen
"They do evil to whom evil is done." W.H. Auden
"I'm honouring God with my sex-change" are you TRYING to kill Girl Defined
As a Christian, this is theologically correct.
I'm hope Attis, Adonis, Tammuz, Xochipilli/Xochiquetzal, Inari, Baphomet, Joan of Arc, and the rest of the gang feel appropriately honored.
Why not? Honoring the "soul" of a person (as a reflection of God) is the meaning of Namaste, right? Otherwise, physical birth defects would be the reflection of God's image and plunge us into some dark Calvanist God-shaming of bodies and claiming that it was a reflection of the state of one's soul.
their history and articles are doing that
Hey, so am I, but unironically lol
harry: * is assigned slytherin at parent-murder but knows he is a gryffindor *
sorting hat: "valid"
TRUE
Unfortunately, that could be misconstrued as JK's bias and favoritism of Gryffindor, and her constant distaste of Slytherin. :'(
@@abigailfowler1843 ALSO FUCKING TRUEEEEE
That's a great metaphor tbh
@@mxar2074 The books have almost no cohesive themes so it's easy to read almost any metaphor into them. I say this Not to lessen the strength or meaning of said metaphors to people but to give them full credit for creating them, no credit goes to the original author.
"I can't wait until trans people have so many rights it is Okay to make fun of us" that's gold.
They got that today though
@Nic Otero I beat transgenders daily in school. Some of them unalived because of it.
@Nic Otero Not as worthless as transpeople
@Nic Otero I've ended many transpeople
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When the first Harry Potter book came out, Ursula Le Guin commented that she thought it was fine, but the author came off a bit mean-spirited.
She saw it before any of us did. Such a brilliant woman.
I always thought she was a bit meansprited when reading the books as a child but no one else had pointed it out so I didn't quite know why I thought that. Later figured it out, it's because all the overweight or "ugly" characters were made fun of by the main character and sometimes his friends who are supposed to be role models for kids. Also whenever she wanted to portray a female character as ugly she described them as "mannish", take of that what you will.
The making fun of overweight people especially kinda got to me, I remember being as young as 5 years old thinking I was too fat even though for most of my life I've been pretty average sized. Definitely didn't help to read that as a 9 year old.
The trans echo chamber of doom
😮 Ursula Le Guin wrote one of my favourite books, the dispossessed
@@bluesuedeshoes801 Joanne Rowling is trans? I had no idea.
You will unexist yourself. @@bluesuedeshoes801
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Mutual adoration 👏
WHAT IS THIS A CROSSOVER EPISODE?!?!
endless cycle of “go ask your other mom”
I love my two academic maternal figures
Wait, what video does LE say that in? :D
“I have friends who struggle with same sex attraction 😇” literally gave me war flashbacks to my Mormon upbringing
Same
Jimmy is great, Telltale talks about cult's and cult mid-set's including mormons. I love TRHPS as well. I called the opening the dancing lips as A kid :)
I assume you like it with that profile.
^^^^^^^^^ SAME
Saaaaammmeeee
"When you dehumanize the villains, you become unable to recognize the villain within"
I absolutely love this
"Hey, you know that part in _The Empire Strikes Back_ where Luke heads into a spooky cave and he sees Darth Vader, but then he kills Darth Vader, and he finds out that Darth Vader has his face because guess what, dickhead? You can't hate someone without carrying them within you! We hate most that which we cannot face within ourselves, dummy!"
-Thought Slime, "How the Far-Right Weaponizes Nostalgia"
@@LeBonkJordanAh yes, the two sides of the 30 year old balding manchild millenial's brain. One is for arguing with people on twitter for 10 hours a day and the other is for analyzing marvel power scaling.
that hit hard, been there. You get so caught up judging others you forget to judge yourself, or you just assume you're too much of a good person to be doing anything wrong. It's an easy trap to fall into.
That's why it bothers me so much when people just assume criminals and predators are just unsavable evil people ("they're not like us", "they're amoral psychopaths, incapable of empathy", "they're a different breed", etc...)
That may be true occasionally in some rare cases, but usually even serial killers are still people, and even most career criminals don't see themselves as evil. In my experience many of the most hateful and destructive people I've ever known often believe their actions are justified and/or moral. When folks assume evil doers are inherently different than themselves, what they're actually doing is reassuring themselves that they aren't capable of hurting others, or purposely blinding themselves to their own capacity for violence.
@1lovesoni Yes but are pedophiles still human?
"There are two things she can't stand: bigotry and the transsexuals!" is an extremely iconic line
It's an Austin Powers reference, if you're not familiar. In Goldmember, Michael Caine's character says it about "the Dutch."
@@themongoosedog There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.
No shade to you or anyone else and simply for the sake of spreading knowledge, this is actually an extremely old joke, probably from at least the middle of the last century.
The joke is way older, in fact. I saw it first in a Bloom County strip from the 80’s and I’m sure they stole it from someone else too.
It’s a great one though. May every generation keep it going.
That's just another way of saying
"I'm not a bigot, but I can't stand transsexuals! 😡"
"The Transexual Empire" just sounds like a cool ass place to live rather than a scary book title
I have a question why you hypocrites radical leftists think gay marriage is okay but cousin marriage is NOT okay?? If a man loves his FEMALE cousin, it’s okay to marry her. Love is love
Transexual Empire sounds like a designer drug in a cyberpunk novel.
@@saudiarabianman4196 Did anyone claim that?
@@saudiarabianman4196 Dude, whatever it is your smoking/injecting... don't hog it, share.
@@saudiarabianman4196 this is so fucking funny
"You're not less of a bigot because your bigotry has a tragic backstory"
*Severus Snape has entered the chat*
She really created a character whose trauma justified forcing bigotry and abuse onto others and never reflected on why OMFG
*Thanos has become chat moderator*
@@lcardwell640 i think that's why he's her favorite character lmaooooo
Oh fuck no wonder the whole goddamn series ended with the narrative asking me to forgive that man
@@Rikku147 Harry didn't need a wand, Harry needed a sledge-o-matic
Being amazed at how this amazing video also has Chinese subtitles, let me say:
The Chinese transliteration of Natalie, 娜塔莉, has 娜 which means graceful, elegant and delicate and 莉 which means sweet and pretty. All qualities that Natalie has ❤
what's the middle character then?
@@psychic_beth it means pagoda or tower, and is often used as transliteration of the "ta" sound when translating from other languages, e.g. Names, place names, etc.
Natalie is a man 😂
Awe, this is so cool and heart warming! Thank you for sharing that!
He’s a man
I wasn't out when this video first released, and the stuff about bathrooms- about how trans girls will often compromise their actual safety to protect cis women's "feelings" of safety really sticks out to me.
After I came out- I had something I've since referred to as my "big trans night out". Me and a group of friends went out drinking with me presenting fem. I live in a conservative area, we have no gay bars or queer spaces- but there's this one bar that was always very welcoming to complete weirdos, people from alt scenes, etc- i had cross dressed there in the past.
At the start of the night I said I would continue using the men's toilets. I looked good, but I didn't perfectly pass- i had internalised so much of this transphobia, and didn't want to make other girls feel threatened or scared.
I was sexually assaulted several times in the men's bathroom- men grabbing at my ass and flat chest, trying to kick open the stall I was using, shouting and jeering at me- with the worst incident involving a man pinning me against the wall with his forearm, while trying to get his other hand up my dress far enough to go back down under my tights and into my underwear. My tights were pulled up past my navel, so I managed to throw him off before he could actually touch my genitals skin to skin, but he had managed to grab me through my clothes. I later discovered that he had actually seriously hurt me- I was aching for a few days, and without going into too much detail, I realised I was bleeding after sex.
People around me were on pretty high alert from the start of the night, trying to make sure I was safe and having fun, so upon following me out of the bathroom- The guy was almost instantly thrown out of the bar by door staff. But I was really shaken by what had happened.
So, 5 hours after declaring I was one of the good trannys! I'm not some cringe overeager gender activist! I would respect women's spaces until I passed perfectly and deserved to enter them!. I started using the womens toilets.
Because I didn't just *feel* threatened. I was almost raped.
And you know what? nobody cared. After all the rhetoric about the evil transes invading the sacred spaces of women. Real women in the real world? they welcomed me there.
On the one occasion some other girls clocked me as trans in there- I immediately started drunkenly apologizing- trying to explain what had happened earlier.
One of them just said "shh. It's okay. You are one of us."
They didn't care. Because I'm a girl. I really am.
I’m so sorry about what happened to you.
I’m so glad to hear you had people around you sticking up for you, who helped you recognise that you deserve the same safety and comfort as your friends 🏳️⚧️❤️
That shit is so horrifying. I wish you didn't have to go through that. But I'm happy that that other girl was there to tell you you're welcome. That just sounds so traumatizing, I hope you're ok and staying safe 💜💜
Solidarity and strength to you
Terfs will claim till the end of the world that they're protecting women from assault and rape, while in practice they have zero care for anyone's safety but themselves. I'm glad you told your story, and I'm so happy for you for being your true self. I hope you only have good experiences from now on, though do know that if someone does get mad about you wanting to take a leak, it's on them and not on you.
I am horrified and so sorry to hear that you experienced this. There are some unbelievably cruel people in the world and no one deserves to have to go through this. I desperately wish that humans could just respects other humans not because of who or what they are but simply because they are human. Your stength and bravery to be who you truely are will always provail! Trans rights are human rights ✊❤❤❤
"Casual misogynists" implies the existence of Ranked competitive misogynists
It's called the alt-right
The Rnc duhh
This is a really funny joke oml I wish I had a cookie or something to give you so I could steal the joke without feeling bad
Fathers
or Smart, Business and Cocktail misogynists
holy shit, i knew “terf is a slur” is a thing, but “being called racist is like calling a black person the n word to me” literally made me lose my mind
RACIST !
@@SilverMoon459 Hey! As a white cis-normative heteroid, I just want to call you out for using a word that has, for generations, been used a vile slur to oppress my people. Shame!
@@nesquik1640
Zoom.
@@nesquik1640 That scoldqueen who takes the joke comment seriously.
@@nesquik1640 Schrödinger's douchebag-that’s a good one; I had to look it up. For a joke comment that obvious? Well at least I thought it was. Such is state of the internet.
"What if I'm a Gryffindor trapped in a Hufflepuff's body?"
Then you're Neville Longbottom, obviously.
UNDERRATED
Great to see JKR including HtG representation in her books (RtG as well, in Hermione’s case) 🏳️⚧️✨
Glad I'm not the only one to think of that
@@raymond4218 don't forget GtS(Peter Pettigrew), HtS(Cursed Child Cedric Diggory, went full mazi after one loss), RtS(Quirrel), and StG(Snape).
No one tries to become a hufflepuff apparently...
This vid is painfully relevant when you realize that the guy who put forward the anti-trans bills in oklahoma LITERALLY quoted jk rowling on the floor as he did so
Ad hominem detected. Opinion rejected.
@@LLewliet-pz6ve Facts hurt, huh?
The issue with "Joannes" is that they are upset they were never named "Jolene" and so they live their lives in fear and hatred of everything Dolly Parton stands for.
💯
Dolly Parton ideology is superior
@@EvangelinaGrey facts
Song is so fire
Listen, I wasn't named Joanne. I wasn't named anything close to it.
But god damn do I wish I was named Jolene
If terf is a slur then why haven’t I heard it in a Xbox party
If it's not a category for COD Slur Speedrunning, it ain't a slur Jack
This is the BEST way to discover if it is a slur.
Because they’re too busy calling everyone fake and gay.
Omfg as a cod player this made me fucking die of laughter. So true.
brilliant
It might be a hot take but I disagree with Nathalie at 34:15...
I wouldn't say she redistributed the rose petals, she rather increased the entropy of the bath by spreading the rose petals (rose petals representing energy, obviously) going from a heterogeneous distribution to an homogeneous one, where in the end she won't be able to extract any work from those petals anymore, forcing me to not do any work and just binge watch her videos.
this could be a paper, write it down
you gotta read the full deposition if you haven't. it's so good. the judge did an incredible job of walking the line between freedom of belief and expression in different groups, and ended it by perfectly navigating how destroying someone's dignity because of your beliefs isn't democratic and doesn't bode well for a business.
maya was fired with good reason. she was mocking a bank director for months while working at a non-profit. like, holy fuck.
She wasn't even fired; the company she worked for declined to renew her contract when it expired.
My melted brain: femdom... of belief?? wait
@@alexandrapedersen829so she was still ‘let go’. They just didn’t have a meeting with her to specifically say “you’re fired”. But she was obviously fired. You don’t have to say those exact two words to convey the same meaning
@@Overseer2579 If your contract runs out, then you are no longer an employee, so no, she could not be fired, she just wasn't employed by them again.
@@rissaarei5336 still doesn’t negate that it was with good reason
"Yer a bigot, Joanne."
"I'm a wot?"
"A *bigot.* "
I need a meme of this stat!
"but I can't be a bigot ,I'm just ... Joanne,just Joanne"
"Exactly the point "
Twitterwarts: School of TERFcraft and bigotry
A BIGET!
Hagrid: Cancelled
hearing someone say "lesbophobia is different from homophobia" made me feel so valid and i really wasn't expecting that from this video
Kinda obvious when you think about it in retrospect. Traditional gender roles for men and women are already so different from each other, so it's no surprise that the hate for homosexuality is aimed at different aspects for different genders.
@@Moonhermit- totally true, I just always seem to find myself arguing with gay men trying to explain how lesbians do in fact face a different (but related) type of homophobia. hearing someone blatantly say "these things are different" was so cathartic for me
@@Moonhermit- Yes, men are definitely more likely to be victims of violent homophobia than women.
I still vehemently remember that in 5th grade, I went to the bathroom and I was wearing boyish looking sneakers. Since I had feet bigger than most girls my age, that's all that would fit. One of the teachers entered after me, looked at my shoes from outside of the stall, and started shouting at me to get out. I rushed to get out and once she saw me face-to-face, all she mustered was a surprised 'oh!' when I got out. Not one apology. This experience always comes to my mind when I think of TERFs because they are the same women who claim hyper-femininity is a sexist aesthetic for transgender women to go after; meanwhile, they police and treat women who don't fit the demure standard like animals.
Also it's literally shoes lmao, like there are so many reasons that any adult aged person should immediately question before screaming at a child. Maybe you just like that design, or maybe you have an older brother, and you're poor so you just got his hand me downs, or maybe you wrecked your shoes and had to borrow a pair, or maybe you were running late and just grabbed the first pair on the rack before running out the door, either way no 5th grader is in the bathrooms creepin on people, so even if you were entirely a dude, like not even trans, a full cis dude, in the women's restroom, who tf cares, maybe all the stalls in the men's room were full and it was an emergency, or maybe you were distracted and went into the wrong one. Kids have done dumber things.
As a size 9.5 / 10 (US) shoe woman…. This hits deep. I’ve been made fun of for my feet my whole fricken life.
@@chaoticdetectivepeach Not to mention she was alone, clearly sitting on the toilet- you can tell from where a person’s shoes are and whether other shoes are in the same stall. The fact that clearly nothing untoward was happening, simple a toilet being used, means the adult woman KNEW she would be harassing a person currently sitting on a toilet. That would still be unacceptable even if it was a young boy. You can wait until they’re out of the bathroom and question them. Holy cow.
@@chaoticdetectivepeach No adult has a right to bust down a door when they know a child’s pants are down, regardless of the gender of the child. That is borderline sexual abuse.
@@kathleencove That too! It's obvious to anybody with even sub-brick intelligence, that they're not doing anything except using the restroom. Also first of all from the original comment, it seems like the teacher just yelled alot. But if they did, kick in the door, I'd say, it qualifies as full SA not just borderline, because presumably that adult _knew_ d*mn well that that there was a kid who was indisposed in there, and they barged in anyways. No adult should be accosting children in the bathroom at all regardless of intentions.
I find it really interesting that, in Harry Potter, Joanne advocates for people choosing, or asking for, their preferred house, if they really want to. Even if they would otherwise be sorted into a different one. That is the whole thing with Harry being sorted into Griffindor instead of Slytherin. He didn't want to go there. So in this case she advocated for the thought, that even if your "abilities" seem to group you with a certain people, it is your feelings that really matter. In many ways Harry was a Griffindor trapped in a Slytherins body, but his inner self is allowed to freely express itself. Then why isn't everybody else allowed to express themselves in whatever way they want, Joanne?
And we can also turn that back around to Neville. Theoretically, Neville should have been in Hufflepuff. He wanted to be in Hufflepuff, He _asked_ to be in Hufflepuff. But the hat saw he was "A True Gryffindor" and now, he couldn't just let that go to waste, could he? So the hat goes against Neville's wishes and sorts him into a house he feels like he doesn't belong in. In the end, of course, he's a proud Gryffindor, but he constantly hates being a Gryffindor until like- 5th year. Around 5 years of feelings of not belonging, of being _different._ Not being a _proper_ Gryffindor. All because he asked to be where he felt he fit, but someone decided for him what suits him better.
Basically, Neville reminds me of myself, of a trans kid who wanted to sit with the boys, play with the boys, _be a boy._ But I couldn't, because "No, silly little girl. You go on and sit with the other ladies, and no, don't go on crying. You're a tomboy, yes. You feel different from the other girls. But at the end of the day, you're still a girl, and you will always be a girl, and nothing will change that."
Am always surprised people think this argument is compelling.
To a transactivist bathrooms, sports, female prisons are spaces. To a woman like Joanne they're a private space. To you, they're public. In Harry Potter, after you pick your team, they become private spaces and you cannot change between teams thereafter.
I hope this helps you find better arguments in the future.
@Micolash Sloth please explain what you just said means and why it's a good argument
Thats not the same as you not being allowed to follow little boys or girls into the toilet.
@@Raquya we👏don’t👏follow👏kids👏into👏the👏toilet👏kids👏are👏gross👏trans👏people👏aren’t👏pedophiles👏
Lindsay Ellis: "I'm not contrapoints, this is as much effort as you're gonna get from me"
Contra: "Who do you think I am, Lindsay Ellis?"
My OTP ♥️♥️
dear gods. imagine the power of a Lindsay researched, Contra-produced uh... production. The world is not ready.
YT "friends" being actual friends, you love to see it
@@lovelysan Not to diminish Lindsays researching skills, but Natalie already did a lot of research. I feel that was the biggest work she did for the video.
I‘d rather wonder how Lindsay could work on a different aspect of the topic or go into one more deep.
Its like having lesbian parents and each time you ask for something they tell you "Go ask your mom"
When you were talking about hypervigilance I remembered the comedian Richard Herring's bit about the the time his phone was snatched by a black teenager on a bike. Afterwards he became more wary and was alarmed when another black teeneager cycled past him some days later. His great anxiety was that the incident had turned him racist. Then he had a similar jumpy response when a white person cycled past him and his response was "thank god for that, I just hate cyclists!"
see, this happened to me. I got robbed by two black guys in a suv, and they snatched my phone and dragged me on the road. My biggest anxiety was similar to Richard Herring's in the fact that I actually accused a black guy on the sidewalk where I lost my phone again. It was the absolute worst racist thing I've ever done. While I know I have traumatic experience, it still doesn't give an excuse to look at a person of that race and expect the worse in them. My biggest take? I dunno, just put your phone in your backpack or sew deep pockets into your pants/skirts.
See also: One Minute Racist by Caveh Zahedi
@@Whambow Hey I just saw the film. That was a good recommendation. Thanks!
You're very welcome!
There is a king of the hill episode where hank's dog bites a black repair man and everyone accuses hank of being racist and passing it on to his dog but at the end its revealed that hank, and by extension his dog just hate repairmen
The point about the “trans women are women” slogan and the idea of swapping it for “trans liberation now” is so on the money.
I feel this way about "born this way." It reduces queer rights to something we deserve because we can't help it that we're not "normal," not as something that we deserve because "normality" shouldn't have anything to do with deserving rights. Straight people don't deserve rights just because they can't help but be "normal," so it's ridiculous to say we deserve rights even though we're not.
Remember when everyone including her best friends riduculed Hermione for wanting to end (elf) slavery and then rowling started hint that Hermione was black all along.
So a black girl literally gets riduculed for being agaist slavery by her best friends.
How did we not see these problems earlier is beyond me.
Are you aware that adults are dressing in sexual attire and dancing sexually in front of little children at drag shows all over America?
We were children who didn't know any better, I went back and reread those books as an adult, and with the adult lens that shit really sticks out, but children, (especially in America) are barely even taught what slavery is, we don't teach history in a way that is accurate. For example, I went to school in California and in fourth grade they took us on a field trip to the California missions, and told us all about how the Christians came over and did all this good, teaching the "ignorant natives" how to read and write. Which is so f*cked looking back, cuz they brought children to a monument of religious violence and told us that the genocide committed there was a good and necessary thing. Literally might as well have brought us to Auschwitz and told us "the Nazis did a ton of good teaching the Jewish people to work hard." I vividly remember being told I'd grow up to be a worthless loser by one of the parents on that trip, cuz I said sh*t, and I honestly wish I had caught how silly that was in the moment.
Dr Freud: It comes from the trauma of boys discovering women dont have a penis
Natalie: Im about to end this whole mans career.
Freud was a weird guy.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 But we love that brilliant coke fiend.
Ironhide ehm no
The neighbours probably called the cops after hearing me stand up and bellow at the screen during the 'pronouns are rohypnol' part. Being roofied is one of the most horrific violations imaginable, whereas the pure joy on my little brother's face when I asked how he'd feel if I started introducing him as 'he' and 'my brother' remains one of the most beautiful memories of my whole life. This is who she #StandsWith.
the best part about it is how they're willing to spit in the face of women who have ACTUALLY been roofied and drugged against their will.....just so they can step on them and use them as a pedestal to preach their hatred
My sister doesn't drink but will still go out with friends and more than once has she saved a friend from being drugged or was able to take them to the hospital when they were drugged at a club and kept the men away.
I have a question why you hypocrites radical leftists think gay marriage is okay but cousin marriage is NOT okay?? If a man loves his FEMALE cousin, it’s okay to marry her. Love is love
@@saudiarabianman4196 bruh, you ever heard of the Hapsburgs?
@@saudiarabianman4196 straw man of epic proportion.
It's very disappointing that in the years since this video was uploaded, J.K. Rowling has doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on her bigotry.
Even more disappointing that public opinion is starting to sway back in her direction. The Hogwarts Legacy fallout has done *so much damage*, and now she's successfully playing the victim on her personal podcast. It's gross to watch even liberal leftists starting to go, "Okay, hey now, let's not get TOO judgy here." It's just so frustrating.
@@Chaeley well there were 4chan posts about attacking/doxxing hogwarts legacy streamers to turn public opinion against the boycott
this game has had one of the most successful astroturfing campaigns meant to increase sales from reactionaries, and i am guessing there will be more games marketed specifically through the lenses of "the other side dont like it/own the libs" with how well it worked
That's what you get for trying to make a person change her views out of shame, hate, name calling and extreme moral judgment. Its like the worst way to challenge individuals to reevaluate their ideas with an open mind. When people feel attacked and judged for something they honestly believe what do expect to happen? They double down on those beliefs.
Yes, she’s become unrecognisable.
@@francisco8345 "that's what you get"?? dude, no. firstly, just to be clear, i do not think that people sending jkr abuse or death threats is in any way acceptable behavior. i agree with you on that. but no one has *made* jkr do anything. her bigoted beliefs and actions are her own. it also ignores the many, many, MANY trans people and allies who have tried to reach out to her peacefully, respectfully, and in good faith. sometimes bigoted people across the aisle just refuse to be reached, and that's not anyone's fault but theirs.
I cant believe this is the first ContraPoints video ive ever seen. I hope they're all this good. I was big nerd in highschool like captain of the debate team , and the section about reframing the conversation to trans liberation got me so excited. That is such a good way to focus a conversation on what is actually important instead of getting distracted by the bullshit.
She kicks ass. Watch all the videos, especially the newer one about JKR
they're all phenomenal
They're all amazing, I'd say this one is more "middle of the road" which should tell you how good her best work is.
They’re all this good. Check out “the hunger”, that’s a personal favorite of mine
Someone needs to try it on Matt Walsh.
All roads lead back to the masterpiece that is "Cringe". Projection and perceived threats to one's own identity is often the driving force of this kind of obsession with other's identities.
I have a question why you hypocrites radical leftists think gay marriage is okay but cousin marriage is NOT okay?? If a man loves his FEMALE cousin, it’s okay to marry her. Love is love
@@saudiarabianman4196 i mean this is just a troll, right? given the name and all the spamming across several threads
that aside, these two things are entirely unrelated and this troll is bad. quit it.
@@saudiarabianman4196 Cousin marriages far enough removed is not wrong. When the relation is too close, however, it is irresponsible to have children. No one is against cousins right to love each other, live with each other, even marry each other - the issue comes into play when they want to have children. That is literally the only reason incest is illegal. Cousins can fuck all they want, but having children massively increases the likelihood of incredibly averse effects, so it is seen as a not acceptable pairing. That said, the taboo is mainly cultural, as cousin marriage is legal in many places in the world, including the United States of America. So what are you having problem with understanding?
Really just wanted to say I wholeheartedly agree and I feel like I'm going to be saying "All roads lead back to the masterpiece that is Cringe" far too often
@@Barely_Edited
Just report them.
“Hugely sympathetic” dumbledore asked calmly
That's pure genius
@Dark Side’s Shadow Well, youtube age restricting a video isn't censorship at all. So, if she complains about her video getting age restricted, she isn't complaining about free speech or censorship, she's just complaining that youtube age restricted it.
@Dark Side’s Shadow Wow, you are really strawmanning her. She is not trying to ban Rowling from voicing her opinions, she is just saying that those opinions are wrong. Have you heard her telling Rowling to shut even 1 time in this video? Criticism is not the same as cancelling or banning. In fact, she has been a target of cancelling and opposes it even if it is done on people she doesn't like. She has also been pretty sympathetic to Rowling and has not attacked her even one time in this video, she has just debunked Rowling's harmful opinions. But I guess you came from that moron Tim Pool's video and didn't even watch this. I would advice you to watch something before commenting about it.
@Dark Side’s Shadow what a fucking strawman. did you even watch the video?
@@SD-zz4ov Of course they didn't. Tim Pool made a video about Natalie and he lied about how Natalie was trying to cancel Rowling for her opinions and also complaining about how youtube age-restricted her video. Her complaining about her video getting age-restricted is true but her cancelling Rowling isn't. But of course his fans ate it up and brigaded this video without even watching it. You can see Tim's fans' comments from 1-2 weeks ago.
It’s sad that after 2 years this is still so current 😢 thanks for being smart, funny and explain it all perfectly.
This video is depressingly more relevant in 2023. The recent NYT, pro Joanne op-ed, sadly reinforces the fact writers, liberals, & the “Paper of Record” need to understand the nature of bigotry and transphobia specifically. That many continue to ignore the dog whistles in these seemingly innocuous statements is infuriating. Thank you Natalie for such a brilliant video ✌️
Study whatever you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Perform any legal magic you're capable of.
Live your best life regardless of your parentage.
But force wizards out of their jobs for stating that magical ability is inheritable?
#IStandWithSalazar
This comment is amazing!
Was Salazar a blood purist? I thought the Founders were violent but not bigoted. Amazing analogy btw!
@@allyli1718 Yes, IIRC it was the whole reason they split up into different houses and he created the Chamber of Secrets.
@@allyli1718 That's why Salazar put a monster in the sewers of the castle so it could eat muggleborn children.
@@allyli1718 Salazar technically didn’t mention blood purity but claimed Muggle borns couldn’t be trusted with magic witch at the time witch burnings were happening in Europe so his fear wasn’t unfounded however his basilisk scheme certainly proves he wasn’t a sane dude so it’s no wonder his decedents turned into inbred monsters!
“You’re not less of a bigot just because your bigotry has a tragic backstory”
Content.
In fact you are probably a bigot because of that tragic backstory.
This has big “cool motive, still murder” energy
Yeah, your trauma is meaningless if it means you have boundaries I don’t like.
@@JoJoFishFish it's meaningful but it's not an excuse to dehumanize a whole category of people 🤷♀️
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"Joanne, JOANNE, this is madness Joanne" i lose it everytime
An hour in, you hit on exactly the point I needed to hear. I genuinely don't care about JK Rowling. I don't want to be researching her right now. However, I had to because my mom (who has up until this point been an incredibly progressive person) started getting really into JK Rowling for her views on gender and feminism. She's excited because Jo is calling out things my mom has feelings about but never been able to properly express. While I didn't know much, I had overheard just enough from under my rock for this to immediately raise several red flags. At the hour mark you really hit home as to why. My mom is also a domestic abuse survivor. Everything you quote here my mom has said to me practically verbatum (especially "TERF is a misogynistic slur designed to silence women." I caught her explaining that one to the guy who came to fix the stove the other day). She has recently said to me that all people born male (regardless of whether you transition later) are born with an instinctive predisposition and capacity for violence, one which people born female will never have, and one we must protect women from at all costs. That was a really painful thing to hear my mother say, especially since both my sister and I had just come out as non-binary. Especially since she embraced us with open arms and accepted us without debate. Especially since I know she knows better. I don't want to lose my mom down THAT rabbit hole.
I went through something very similar with my dad and the manosphere a few years ago. He's still sort of in it but it's evident now he cares more about his life with his family, regardless of who they are or how they identify than anyone telling him what to think through a screen. It's not perfect, he still follows those guys, but for me it's enough. I wish you luck finding common ground with your mother and that she finds her way out of bigotry and such things.
Do you think people born male who transition to female magically lose their greater capacity and predisposition for violence compared to biological women? I could understand this if you lower your testosterone levels, but what about people who don’t go through any hormonal therapy?
@jezza669 testosterone isn't automated violence, bigot
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"Understanding bigots is the best defense against becoming one yourself. Because when you dehumanize the villain you become unable to recognize the villain within." this.
Truly brilliant. Many people become what they fight against.
Bigotry definition according to Webster: Obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices.
I think the proper word to describe Rowling is "Boldly Veracious about the sufferage and victimization of women". Seeming as though she only speaks about the predators... It seems rather odd to defend sick people who are opportunistic predators, and jump at the opportunity to invade women's spaces and all progress for the liberty of womankind.
All the voices of truth are silenced and ignored and "cancelled". Who are the real bigots? I wonder.
@@armin-senpai9194 "All the voices of truth" that is all subjective in a world of misinformation were a group of people have been marginalized by the patriarchy for centuries, the same patriarchy that has wanted to control females hates them just as much, Obviously you don't know any real trans individuals, didn't watch the video/ didn't want to understand, your minds are already made up, you already claim a victim narrative for all females.
So in your mind every trans girl/woman is a predator against your rights and trans men are your misguided sisters who wanted to play with trucks instead of dollys and dresses.
@@armin-senpai9194 Excuse me, what are you talking about.
@@maschaorsomething The same people who advocate for the destruction of women are the ones who are incapable of digesting a comment lol.
As someone who grew up in Kentucky, where bigotry is um... not hard to find, I love how she talks about bigotry not being as simple as hate or rage. If you're in the In Group (I'm a cis straight guy so I always am) bigots are often truly kind, generous people. It's so easy for folks to laugh off accusations of bigotry cuz it's like "What? Me? I get my ass up to go to church every Sunday morning so I can sit and listen to a guy preach about how important love is!"
Most of the vilest bigotry I've heard is often so clearly coming from a place of fear, and it always shocks me the lengths people will go to cling to feeling terrified.
Hey, just wanted to say I absolutely love your videos! And yes it definitely is a complicated topic. My grandparents are wonderful people, but I sometimes wonder how would they behave if I was queer. They're very religious and progressive in a way, but they have a tendency to be like "poor people it's not their fault if God made them that way, they should be accepted". As if it was the christian thing to do to have pity for those "poor souls"
My mom is very open minded and actually even a good ally but damn did it take a lot of years and educating herself to get there. Different times where this kind of information we have now wasn't as easily and readily available and then also growing up around a bunch of bigoted assholes does that to a person.
Even now she still isn't perfect but she tries and I have met people like you described too that were super friendly and warm until they found out that I'm non-binary and an atheist and about my very liberal views.
It's strange to see someone turn from kind to monster with a kind face in less than 5 seconds.
This, I don't think people realize that most bigots aren't slathering imbeciles who spout hateful remarks every hour on the hour. Most of them come off as very kind, very generous people and might even be invested in trying to make the world a better place... But only for those whom, like you said, are in the 'In Group'. Casual bigotry and subconscious bigotry are even more prevalent and insidious than outright bigotry. Because when the loud bigots start screeching their hateful rhetoric, it's the rest of the 'In Group' who silently support and or allow them the right to the pedestal.
It does not help that those in power have made it their mission to keep that casual bigotry alive through peripheral and subliminal messaging in our advertisements and media. For example whose pictures do you see in news reports and/or books that discuss crime? It's generally not gentrified, white-cis individuals but those of color. Growing up in the 90's-2000's I can certainly tell you that the rhetoric used in the news to differentiate a person of color who committed a crime was LEAGUES different from when a white man committed a similar offense.
Likewise in regards to trans issues, the media has made it a huge habit of conflating the false narrative of men dressing up as women and 'invading' women's spaces and made it seem like an epidemic that is constantly occurring. I've seen that very plotline countless times in televised crime dramas across many different nationalities and networks. It subtly reinforces the gender binary and suggests to people that trans folks are to be feared and a direct danger to them. Regardless of whether or not it's true. (It's not, if a malicious person wants to hurt you they're almost never gonna take the time to 'dress up' to do it.)
It's unfortunately why people like Rowling are so harmful to the trans community, because she HAS enough power to affect the media and drum up that fear amongst millions of her fans and beyond.
This is absolutely it!! The culture and community i grew up in is VERY anti-lgbt. I'm not out yet at all, but many of my friends ask me why I still feel anything for them and why I don't just say "fuck them, I don't care." Well, it's because the people who will disown me and vilify me for coming out are also the people who donate to charity regularly, who help strangers out on the street, who supported me through some of the worst points of my life, who always make a point of asking you how you're doing, if you need anything, to not hesitate to ask, and MEANING it. Does that mean they can't be bigoted? Does that mean they can't spend the weekends laughing with their friends about the "tr*nnies" or telling you to stop hanging out with your best friend because he seems "fruity?" No. Fuck no. People don't seem to understand that the same people who can spit on you for being a deviant can also talk you down from a ledge, sponsor your cancer treatment, hold your hair back when you're sick, hold you close while you sob, etc etc. Bigots can be absolutely fucking anyone. They don't have to walk around kicking puppies. They don't have to walk around with a pin on their lapel that reads "Hi! I disowned my granddaughter for being a f*ggot." They're just human like the rest of us, and if you're walking around looking for Westboro Church signs, you'll miss the people who pass you by with a grin on the streets, who hold the door for you, who pass bigoted words off with a "but that's just me." Bigotry is complicated, and if we want to get anywhere as a society, we can't afford to keep looking for neon signs while dogwhistles get dismissed as "just the wind" or "you're just hearing things."
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Its nice to rewatch this video for no particular reason whatsoever and theres no coincidental timing.
Great points, Rowling’s internalized sexism and concerns about sexual assault are definitely being directed at the wrong group of people. Why get pressed over pronouns when you can advocate for more protections for assault survivors? And sadly I’m sure that there are many trans people who can relate to Rowling’s experiences of PTSD, and yet she’s demonizing them.
Thinking about the scenes in Harry Potter where Ron, Harry, Hermione, and the ghost of a teenage girl were all able to be in the same bathroom together without this bathroom war debate coming up.
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BOOOOOOM!
And the scene where said ghost got into the (either gender neutral or just for boys, I don't think the text specifies) prefects' bathroom and watched Harry bathe.
@@SomeoneBeginingWithI And the entire thing was played for laughs. Trans people using the right bathroom bad, ghosts creeping on teenaged boys good!
I have a question why you hypocrites radical leftists think gay marriage is okay but cousin marriage is NOT okay?? If a man loves his FEMALE cousin, it’s okay to marry her. Love is love
"I have a friend who struggles with same-sex attraction."
_Screams internally in ex-Mormon_
not any moremon
Another confirmed homosexual checking in! ;)
@Melody Ackerman
L I’ll
I screamed externally.
LITERALLY I JUMPED WHEN SHE SAID THAT SHDJDJSJSJ
Aaaaaaand she’s doing holocaust denial
Where? How??
@@alexbennet4195 recently she posted this totally unhinged article claiming that trans people were actually supported in the holocaust which if you know literally anything about anything is...false
@@nellfromhell7192 can I have the link please
Bingo!
It's so sad. I don't believe Rowling didn't watch this back when. The fact that she doubled down, and Natalie had to make a sequel...
"but what if i'm a gryffindor trapped in a hufflepuff's body? what then joanne?" i mean, that's literally .... harry potter. he puts on the sorting hat and it's like "wow i can tell you're a slytherin" and he's like "gryffindor, actually".
and guess who has the final say in that decision?
and he turns out to be right in the end because he is a true gryffindor
Whoah
Weren't they all in the "wrong" house? Harry should have been a Slytherin, Ron a Hufflepuff, and Hermione a Ravenclaw?
@@ligernull Houses (at Hogwarts) are based on what you value, not necessarily what traits you have. This is why kids get to choose their house
...huh. I’m surprised so many people missed that.
WELL, I guess I'll have to research this
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Please do!
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Yes please!!
Oh please do!
This was a really great video, very thorough analysis and overall super engaging. Idk why it took me so long to check out your channel but I'm happy I did! Cant wait to keep watching
it’s been a few years since I have watched a ContraPoints video and I am so happy that I’ve come back now. I absolutely was obsessed with her content in 2018 but re watching now as a 26 “adult” I am absolutely blown away. her empathy…. so rare in circles now a days. you’ve earned yourself a life line fan
"You're not less of a bigot because your bigotry has a tragic backstory" oof I felt that one
it's kinda tragic. many times the worst TERF's have actual been abused/raped by men and ended up hating everyone who has (or had) a penis. we should be understanding of their experience but never excuse toxic coping mechanisms that end up hurting some of the most oppressed social groups. just like many incels might have been treated like shit by a woman but their misogyny and bigotry should not be justified.
@@christrifinopoulos8639 it just boils down to "don't judge" but unfortunately we need judgement to guage the safety of certain situations and I don't see how to do both
Maybe "don't assume" is a better rule of thumb
Does this also tie back to the theory that bigots need to place themselves in a victimized role?
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- word of affirmation
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im am hijacking this thread to ask what is the name of the song that played at 1:15:23
sorry in advance
@@vintheguy I've found songs by holding my headphones up to my phone and using shazam.
If you're playing the video on your phone shazam seems to pick it up as well
@@apocalyptosoldier5527
I know what shazam is
This was a weird and creepy comment... UNTILL I got to the part about the Daniel mannequin LOL
As someone who only had a casual glance at JKRs controversia tweets and did not understand much about why people were so upset, this is one of my favourite videos you did because you laid it all out so well! I also showed it to a wonderful trans friend of mine who is not usually on youtube and was very happy to have such great representation on here.
As a cis woman, I also struggled with my identity. I had a massive internalized misogyny issue as a teenager that made me consider changing gender. Then, I overcame it, (transitioning in my case would have been stupid, I think I would have detransitioned), but I began to feel concerned that trans men might transition just because of internalized misogyny too, so I guess I was a little bit like JKR. Now, I came to a more objective vision I think. There are both people like me who hesitate to transition for the wrong reasons (internal struggles, internalized misogyny), and also people who transition for different reasons, who do not just want to « escape feminity », who definitely have a better life quality afterwards, and will never detransition. Everyone is different, makes choices for different reasons, and sometimes it’s valid. I would say that transitioning for wanting to be a man is not at all the same thing as transitioning for not wanting to be a woman. I want people who want to be men to feel accepted by society and supported when they transition if it is a solid and valid choice, that makes them feel closer to their identities, and that is not fueled at all by internalized misogyny. I also want teenage girls like me who do not really want to be men, but rather just want to escape the « shame » of being female to overcome their internalized misogyny, and feel proud and strong as women.
Love you all ❤
Do you think that becoming non-binary would be the preferred escape route for people who don’t want to represent any stereotypical sex? Rather than making a choice between one or other gender role?
For me, hyper-masculinity or hyper-femininity are just as unappealing. The preferred choice is withdrawal of labour either way.
Good for you, congratulations for that deep dive and understanding of yourself💪🏽🧘🏼♂️❤️
@@AtheistEve I sort of view it this way right now. I might be on the spectrum of gender abolitionists, as to me, revendications of one's individuality as something that does not necessarily fit in the traditional gender role boxes is what really matters - not finding a new "box" among other genders. But, I guess several people need to find a new "box" in order to escape the traditional ones. That might be a necessary intermediary step as society, before we land in a society where people are just people with a certain biological background but that does not impact as much their lifestyles, public perception and identities?
This view is subjective and personal of course, I do not have the perspectives of everyone :)
@@monopanda9546 Thank you for your thoughtful & thought-provoking response. If you don’t mind my asking, when you overcame your internalized misogyny, were you given any guidance from a professional in the field of body or gender dysphoria? I’d hope that actual care givers and counsellors would explore the non-binary options rather than expecting everyone to “pick a side”. I’ve only known two people who transitioned/ are transitioning. They both seem confident and very at ease in their current gender. I suspect that those who have to do the most work on this are those who have never even needed to question their gender and have externalized squeamish responses to anyone who has.
@@AtheistEve I mean you can not be hyper feminine or hyper masculine and still be a man/woman, unless you mean feminine or masculine more in identity and energy and not just clothing.
I feel like that entire "she" is safe and "he is a threat' rhetoric about pronouns is as dangerous to the straights as it is to the trans community. That assumption that girl is good boy is bad has got to be some fucking neurosis fuel for both sides of that.
That was the worst part! Feeling scared of every man and happy and safe near every woman makes you so abusable.
@@nukiradio And, specially, not just subject to abuse in the physical sense.
Yeah the amount of straight cis men who don't ascribe to traditional masculinity but still get scared that it's somehow "in their dna" that they are not just oppressors but abusers and rapists... lk that is not healthy for anyone. You should pay attention to actions more than anything, and if there are cycles of crossing boundaries and manipulation. It certainly does danger to both sides. Where women don't think they can be or are abusive. When I don't force anything and am completely calm and chill with guys, the amount of them that are thrown off.. They haven't had healthy relationships and then they are victims potentially turned abusers and the cycles continue. Breaking cycles by understanding them and getting actual therapy and resolving some of the latent trauma will absolutely help.
It sounded like an inverse of PUA talk
Exactly! By promoting that men are dangerous and women are safe it allows people to be just as "tricked" by cis women. Of course though TERFs would never imagine someone like themselves could be abusing this- only "fake women" are bad people, "real women" can't. 😳
The way Natalie holds a phone and a book that close to bathwater is proof she has no fear
Or she just has an iPhone 11 like the boujee trash queen she is.
I'm more terrified of holding a book in a tub like that - even "the Infinite Jest of TERFery."
@@andrewkohler3707 even if it's terf propaganda, it's still hard cover so she must have paid good coin for it lmao
@@d.o.m.i. I know! And it looks like she bought it new.
@Bella Jones I know...at first I thought that book was a digital clock (when it was just sitting on the side of the tub) and I was really worried.
There's never been a better time to revisit this video
Even though it's 2 years old and missing a lot of more recent events, this is still the best video on JKR imo. With her deep and empathetic analysis, Natalie somehow manages to do the impossible. I've recommended this video to so many people in the last few weeks and I really hope at least one of them takes the time to watch it and understand what all of this mess is actually about.
Because sadly, with all the hateful discourse from my fellow leftists (and some trolls), many people that would probably be on our side if someone explained it to them rationally are now turning anti-woke, some buying the god damn controversial wizard game out of spite even though they don't even like HP and all the while most of the confused, upset liberals DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW AND WHY JKR IS TRANSPHOBIC it's driving me mad how frustratingly bad this whole boycotting campaign is going in terms of raising long-term acceptance of trans people ughhh
Real women stand with JKR.
Misogynists stand against JKR.
@@transphobe9149 Anti-abortionists stand with JKR
Hey there, I'd like to reach out to you about your opinion on this matter. I'm just doing some personal research on the matter in order to strengthen my arguments and out of curiosity too. I tried messaging you on vimeo but it doesn't let me so if you're up for a discussion please let me know how to do so :)
@@miguel7383 hey, I've tried to send you a message on vimeo, let me know if it worked :)
@@Nirax3 I did yeah. I'll get back to you as soon as I can tysm
I feel cheated that no one has ever tried to trans me.
Same tbh its a lot of work for one person
*That’s why I’m here buddy*
It's not something we can do on demand, sorry. I don't even know when I'm doing it sometimes - like the other day I was in Lidl and this guy glanced at me and before I know it, he made a jump for pickles and crazily started running around asking where he can learn bass guitar..OTOH when I try and transgenderify others (such as by giving out free 'hand santizer' that totes isn't estrogel) to that neighbour (the one who wears a muumuu) it doesn't work at all.
The real trans-ing was the youtube comments you've made along the way
I feel cheated...never got sold drugs never got taken in by a gender non-conforming cabal...what am I not doing right?
A teacher in high school taught me that “evil is the corruption of good,” not the opposite of good. They think they’re doing a good thing, when in reality they’re harming people
That's really smart, I'm going to try to remember that one
See also: the banality of evil.
Well, sometimes people do engage in entirely selfish acts with entirely selfish motives, but they often only acknowledge that after some serious introspection. I think a lot of the time, people work the other way around; they have a bad/selfish motive for doing bad/selfish things, and they look for some sort of justification to excuse it.
@@dragonslair951167 Not all selfish acts are evil so that's not a good analogy.
Some are just....selfish.
@@fuckamericanidiot Even if that was true, I don't see how that really undermines my analogy at all.
23:37 This hit me a little differently today, with the now more commonly-known history and intentions of Zionism. So it might be time to rethink how this was worded 😬
You're right, she should go back in time to 3 years ago and change how she worded that
@@marknoble86 That’s not what I was saying 😕
Maybe you should start rethinking your views and the language you use, instead of thinking this video aged poorly.
@@NomastiAfricanWarlord I don’t think this video aged poorly, only the use of “anti-Zionist” in synonymity with “anti-Semitic”. I have nothing against this video or Contrapoints.
@@alicia_ferrin the video doesn't say zionists though, it says zionist controlled governments, the anti semitic conspiracy theory that Jewish people are secretly running the world is whats being referenced, not the settler state of Israel.
Bigotry can be entirely respectful
The KKK dont lynch black people anymore and there's even videos of black people talking to KKK members cordially and unscathed
The KKK treats racism as an ideology which contrasts with what people generally think when they think racism
A KKK member might say "I dont care if you're black but I'm protecting my own race" or "It's just a part of my religion"
This is sitll bigotry and it annoys me when people think it's not
Buffalo Bill is a trender is by far the hottest take Natalie has had.
Hell yeah
"They struggle with same sex attraction" like wtf Joanne, I'm actually quite good at it.
Dare I say, some of us even embrace it lmao.
Stop bragging! Not all of us are good at getting members of the same sex attracted
JK never said that
@@lifes3ps Who did?
@@guyshafor1320 jk was relaying what others told her
"dark cabal of endocrinologists" is where I lost my sh.t laughing -- well done, the whole damn thing
One question I always want to ask these TERFs is this: what's stopping me right now as a cisman from walking into a women's bathroom or changing room? Is there a guard at the door who will stop me when he sees I have a huge hog? Is there a mystical barrier that will dissolve me into ash if I try to cross? Do male and female animals go in different corners of the forest just to be sure they stay within their male/female areas? If a bad actor wants to hurt or attack a woman, he doesn't need permission to come into her space, he will just go in.
The shame of being caught.
"Life is too short for metaphysics."
Ludwig Wittgenstein: Gay Icon
the infantilizing masculine/androgynous AFAB people thing hit hard for me. I'm not a confused poor little girl.
And autistic people. We get enough infantilisation as it is
As a suspected-autistic transmasc, the infantilization and phrases such as "you just dont know what you want" and "soft boi uwu" boils my fucking blood
@@cariad123 yess!
The phrase "people who menstruate" doesn't erase biological sex...if anything, it literally affirms(!) what Joanne is saying, that even if you transition socially, your body will still have female sex characteristics. By getting mad about that, she's really just saying that she doesn't believe afab trans people should ever be referred to as anything but women
not wrong there.
There is much bullshit in this post, so much to unpack:
1) Referring to women as "people who menstruate" in humiliating. It reduces women to a single factor and sounds incredibly mechanical and impersonal, a description for an object, not a living being. The fact that incels in dress want women to reduce to such description highlights, that those incels are sexist males who just want to manipulate women.
2) AFAB has nothing to do with trans, stop appropriating Intersex conditions and terms.
3) Why women born as women , should be referred as anything, but women.
@@SolidBladeSnake Everything wrong here.
@@ShadowSumac someone doesn't want to acknowledge that sex and gender are different...why is it so important to you to needlessly force them together, and erase humans' lived experiences in the process?
"It reduces women to a single factor"
Women are still woman, but womanhood is gender, and when talking about menstrual care, we're not talking about gender, unless we're talking about something like, say, how the association of periods with women leads to sexism manifesting in menstrual products.
"incels in dress want women to reduce to such description"
Incels and trans people are different groups, and I don't think there's much overlap between them. And sexual objectification is very different from medical terminology.
Intersex and trans people both talk about assigned gender, and I have never heard of intersex folks being mad about trans people using the terminology (if you have, leave a link). If "AFAB has nothing to do with trans," how come I see so many trans people using it as a convenient way to describe their experiences?
As for your last point, transmasc people exist (in fact, I know several, and they're all really cool), and they are not women. If you think they are, that's called erasing trans identities.
@@waytoobiased Sex and gender are different - I always stood by it. Partially, because, I saw how toxic transcult gaslight people into buying they are the same, despite proclaiming different, like you do now. Also, no-one erases anyone lived experience. Lived experience, suprprise (!!) doesn't cancel nature, biology, logic and so on.
Womanhood is about being a female. It can not be co-opted by men. Because, men are not women and can not become women, no matter how many operations they go through. And, saying that it is OK to refer to women as "people who menstruates" highlights your sexism, because, it dehumanizes women into objects locked into biological fnction. Not that hypocrisy of your statement will ever occur to you, since trans and their supporters lack empathy towards anyone and anything which doesn't further their goals, almost like a gang of mad zealots.
They are quite a big overlap between the two, given behavior and rhetoric of both groups: both groups consist mostly from men, both groups usually include men who were not particularly successful with women and in society in general and, finally, both groups absolutely HATE women who do not follow their rules.
The only difference is that trans also pretend to be women, which makes all their attacks on women hypocritical, but also allow them to buy sympathy from ignorant and stupid people. Also, medical terminology can be used as in insult. If you don't understand it, you need to educate yourself, sexist.
I've seen quite a few Intersex people who were very angry that trans appropriate terms, which has nothing to do with them. My word against yours.
On how come trans use AFAB: like usual - they've stolen another term, because, they need to wear as many labels as possible to look as much "poor" and "oppressed" as possible in the eyes of normal people.
It is not erasing any identities. Its called erasing lies and gaslighting of insane madmen.
Seems like a good time to revisit this one, no particular reason.
Same
My anxiety while watching Natalie hold her phone in the tub: 📈📈📉📈📈📈📉📈📉📈📈📈📈
Why is no one talking about this omg it hurt to watch her hold her phone so close to the water so casually
Isn’t the iPhone 12 waterproof, why are so many people so concerned?
@@loreenasings tpi there is no such thing as a water 'proof' phone yet, only water resistant. you can still potentially permanently damage the cameras, speakers, microphone and potentially even the battery depending on the kind of water exposure, rendering it unusable unless repaired at the shop
I want to see the iPhone 12 girgly test
I'm so glad I'm not alone. Seriously distressing watching that. Also with the book.
Cancel culture is when Joanne can't transphobic.
Cancel culture is when you are worth $670 million and win a BBC Writing Award
joanne being prevented from transphobising is literally 1984
@I’m Too Kind for This Nonsense _soooo hard 😭😭_
how are these comments from 12 hours ago
Cancel cuktyeue is when no mean 😡😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
What I really love about the point with the sorting hat is that most people think you just get a house assigned, while the Main Character literally learns it's actually a choice he can make. Well
23:18 hm, that sure was premonitiony
"Most death eaters I've spoken to are hugely sympathetic to muggle-born people who just wants to live their lives".
Oh my god this comment wins the Internet today
"It's only when they try to steal magic and invade wizards' spaces it becomes an issue."
@@ShotgunsAndSalt omfg
Muggle_born_smasher_9000
Practice magic if you want
Have fun with any other wizard if they want you to
But force purebloods out of their occupations for saying magic came from pureblooded wizards??
@@hailmuse And don't get me even started about the issue of muggle-borns in bathrooms. I just don't see how it's in the interest of anyone's "rights" to expose purebloods to dangerous potion-brewing.
i personally resent the narrative that bigots are “haters” because in my experience, all the people that have been homophobic to me were friends, family, and supporters first.
Yes! I'm glad she talked about that.
AS AN AUTISTIC MAN, I can say that almost all the bigotry I experience is from seemingly well-meaning people who think I'm "sick."
Truth. Misguided yes, haters nope.
Hate can be a form of bigotry though.
@@santiagocandela354 Hater has hate as a root word, but they don't have the same meaning.
Sorting Hat: Slytherin
Harry: but I feel like Gryffindor
Sorting Hat: Facts don´t care about your feelings
My new headcanon is the sorting hat referencing Voldemort as the V-word
@@Darkblaze129 ...vagina? viagra? vegan?
Sorry I'm dumb and actually confused.
very clever, but it is sophistry. the fact is he could be sorted equally into both houses, though the hat had an idea that Slytherin could be better for him (he could achieve more there), but Harry didnt want that, so the hat let him choose.
@@Rita-kx3yr Voldemort is "the one who mustn't be named", everyone has their own way to call him, so the Sorting Hat calls Voldemort "V-word" (it would be "P-Word" if the name was Poldemort...). "P-word" and "facts don't care about your feelings" is a Ben Shapiro reference.
@@Darkblaze129 Wet-Ass HeWhoShallNotBeNamed lmao
I remember the “Bathroom wars” being a thing focused on cis homosexuals when I was a kid in the 80’s.
Also about lockers and showering in gyms. I always thought there was some element of lesbophobia in the "keep trans woman out of female bathrooms" discourse, since I heard the same things about lesbians in locker room. "I don't wanna change with her, she's a gross lesbian who will assault me!" shut the fuck up, Karen.
And anti-abortion talking points are exactly the same as anti-contraception talking points. I'm a little surprised they dont call it sOcIaLisM too.
also for arguments against desegregation - segregated bathrooms were very important to white ppl
@@morganday3471 Same tired script over and over again
@@morganday3471 note to self: bigots feel their most vulnerable while taking a crap.
I’m a single mom and I have a special needs son. In the olden days when we still went out in public I had to take him to the women’s bathroom with me. People minded their own business seeing my son in the bathroom. It’s a place to pee, not a sacred female space.
Yes, it's not like there is a bouncer
To be fair, it made me uncomfortable when my mom did that as a boy.
I've seen single dad's take their daughters to the lady's restroom too. It nbd
@@TheStraightGod - Understandable, as I went through the same thing LOL. But our experiences with that are totally different. We’re uncomfortable because we as boys feel we don’t belong there, so we think of it as “ew yucky girl’s bathroom”.
@@TheStraightGod Now I'm over here wondering if the fact that I never had problem with it was an early sign that I was trans.
"We don't tell straight people to keep their lifestyle in the bedroom ... but we should." I SCREAMED
@Plausible Grouch imagine being asexual and giving a shit abt all this.
@@mr.mystery9338 I'm imagining a reasonable person in a (in certain repressive, very cisheteronormative, and even for them unhealthy, ways) heavily sexualized society?
Like, have you ever seen an ad? A magazine stand? A movie?
@@nibblrrr7124 dunno what you mean
@@mr.mystery9338 An asexual person is not interested in sex. An asexual person is not going to appreciate the hypersexualization of a lot of culture. Shit like Game of Thrones where they literally just make people get naked during exposition dumps because it's the only way the producers think they'll keep people's attention is extremely off-putting and crass to someone who isn't going to be titillated.
@@mr.mystery9338 imagine showing your ass so much and inviting mockery
“When you reduce bigotry to a caricature of pure hatred, you obscure that bigotry is a deeply human problem. You know sometimes people criticize me for ‘empathizing with bigots.’ But I believe that understanding bigots is the best defense against becoming one yourself. Because when you dehumanize the villains, you become unable to recognize the villain within.” -Natalie Wynn
Brilliant line.
Yeah, but saying gender is biological is actually not bigotry.
@@jasminehouston-burns1691 gender is a social construct lol, like this ship sailed so damn long ago, continuous denial of this fact makes you a bigot.
I don't know why you people are so damn obsessed with people's genitals that you gotta be guessing what are people's genitals whenever you see a person. That's the only justification that y'all "gender is biological" people give. Creep.
@@conancat No ship has sailed anywhere and the only people obsessed with genitals are the ones getting them cut up and cut off.
@@jasminehouston-burns1691 please actually watch the video you are commenting on. If you would listen to some trans people for a little you might actually understand what it means
@@jasminehouston-burns1691 I’m not interested in debating but if you’re are not willing to listen to the arguments presented here I dont know why you then expect anyone to listen to you either
I am constantly blown away by Natalie's ability both to extend empathy and hold people accountable without compromising either. It's something we could all benefit from these days, I think
This is what I was going to say. She did a wonderful job of both showing empathy and understanding, while also calling out and condemning bad behavior without compromising. Its something that's very difficult to do well.
@@sardonic3348 SJWs of all types should be taking notes. Showing empathy and compassion gets people to listen.
Yeah, it's something that I feel I could really learn from - there's actually a tonne of great insights, like the use of abstraction as a medium to synthesise theoretical problems that don't actually correspond to any real-world problems.
Nah. She rambles on philosophically without addressing real data. Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent official count of transgender prisoners):
76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9%
125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3% 13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8%
@@CharlieTalk Thank you, CharlieTalk, for giving her "youtubers can't read" joke an extra layer of comedy. Now finish your homework, there is clearly 5 pages left for you to read of that 6 page summary.
The 'Bathroom Problem' hit me hard. I'm a cisgender dark skinned Black woman with a tall athletic build. I've often been questioned, intimidated and outright refused entry to women's bathrooms. While my hair length may change- from shaved head to down-to-my-ass wig- I'm ALWAYS very femme and present all the traditionally female associated signifiers - long nails, make-up, big tits, dresses etc. And yet I am often 'accused' of 'just being a boy in a dress', or 'a tran*y or a drag queen. All of which is grouped as "Not a REAL Woman" It's so fucked up that gender is so heavily policed! I've been physically blocked from entering a woman's bathroom by a security guard because he didn't think I was a 'Real' woman. So obviously, I support trans women and trans men and enbies for the right to go pee. Long story short, I'm not trans or enbie but I understand the struggle of just being a human that has to pee sometimes. Trans rights are human rights. Civil rights are human rights. And btw I'm all about the Trans Liberation Now slogan.
Damn, that sucks. Who gets off on denying people entry to the bathroom? I'm sorry you've been gender policed while just trying to go about your business.
Didn't happen to me, but I had a weird bathroom situation at work. I was going in the bathroom, and a customer approached me to tell me there was "a man" in the bathroom, while pointing at a stall. The "man" was a cis gender woman with a deeper voice. (It was one of my coworkers). While she was going on about how we shouldn't let men in the bathroom, my trans gendered coworker came out of the other stall, washed her hands and walked out.
Like lady... you don't know who is trans and who is not, so why does that even matter to you?
@@stbananastein It's not just gender-policing. Mainstream culture in the US (assuming the OP is in the US) also has a long history of treating Black women as inherently and profoundly unattractive; and part of that narrative involved portraying them as "unfeminine". Depicting feminine-presenting Black women as "a man in a dress" or otherwise unattractively "masculine" is a common insult in much of the country; and can be seen in the (mostly) conservative attacks on women like Michelle Obama and Serena Williams. And it's not just the US; the racist trope is also distinctly present in most Anglosphere countries, like the UK and Europe. This goes well beyond transphobia, and into far older tropes rooted in white supremacism.
@@EphemeralTao thank you so much for elaborating on this. My post was already pretty long so I just described my physical appearance. And yes, I am in the USA.
@@EphemeralTao Oh yeah, absolute facts! I was just responding in particular to what OP discussed in her comment, but the added larger context is damned important. The issue goes waaaay beyond bathroom politics
Christ, this Female Masculinity book is gosh darn eye opening to me. Need to read that, it seems. I'm a cis woman, but extremely masc looking, always have been, and ever since I was a toddler I've been mistaken as male. Even now in my 30s I get yelled at in public bathrooms, given dirty looks, and I've even been forcibly dragged out before, all because I've got a strong jaw and flat tits. I have huge anxieties about using public toilets because of it, and every dirty side glance I get smacks my self confidence down another peg. I don't *care* about being mistaken as male, but I just wanna piss in peace without having to argue about my body to total strangers. 'Womens' bathrooms are already ridiculously enforced by anyone who thinks they have the right to judge you on your appearance (aka basically everyone), JKR is completely blind to this, and ironically in her desperate blustering of claiming its for feminism, she's discounting a huge bunch of cis women too.
"J.K. Rowling is blind to this."
J.K. Rowling has not been forced to use a public restroom for over a decade thanks to her wealth. In this essay, I will propose that all wealthy individuals should only be allowed access to public restrooms to remind them of the daily struggles of the proletariat.
Is she though? Most terfs I've seen talking about it consider masc women and butches being harmed is a necessary evil.
@@cariad123 thats so heartbreaking.
The intersection between butchphobia and transmisoginy is REAL. And terfs refuse to aknowledge it, because it reveals that they don't truly care about women, at all.
You’d definitely like Halberstam. They speak to what you’ve experienced in really compelling (though really academic) ways.
Let’s not forget the sorting hat nearly put Harry in Slytherin, but he-of his own autonomy-became a Gryffindor.
Harry, who by some assumedly unchangeable force of nature(?) should’ve been categorized as one thing but doesn’t connect or identify with that and so changes his circumstance to become (through physical presentation, social connection, etc.) something else.... and yet no one is stating that Harry is Actually a Slytherin in Gryffindor robes! Interesting how that happens 🤔
Harry Potter and the Autohousephile Complex
That's because he's really good at hiding his snake in his robe.
Please tell me you've sent this comment to JK!
Omg that’s such a good point
Nah he is a Gryfindor by nature. He just has a part of Voldemort soul inside him, that, is why the hat was confused in the beginning.
Lindsay Ellis: "These falsies are as much effort as you're going to get, this isn't CountraPoints"
Natalie: "I didn't research this, who do you think I am, Lindsay Ellis???"
Love it when besties shittalk each other livingly uwu
@@theuncannydag
*"Themselves to lift up each other" is more accurate, dear one.
@@Heleyrine Don't condescend to me. Geek ass
@@theuncannydag they weren't condescending to you. they corrected you.
@@OliverHeikkinen
Thank you for the kind saying.
And yes I didn't wish to; I'm sorry if I came across as condescending. My bad😊
I've been told "the men's room is over there," so many times, I can't keep count. You're 100% right, it's about feminity, not chromosomes because I'm cis but butch.
Literally no one actually gives a shit about chromosomes, it's just transphobes trying to use "basic biology", but by "chromosomes" they just mean penis and vagina.
Nobody used chromosomes to determine gender until trans people started getting rights.
I don’t think most transphobes could even define a chromosome. I don’t think most even knew what one was before.
@@Jekyllstein_Gray are you joking? Literally the basics is having chromosomes. The reason we are even male and female is chromosomes so yes we always used chromosomes. Even for fetuses
@@darkbirb6345 no they mean as an argument..
"My body is a temple...currently under renovation."
people who whinge about bodies being an inviolable temple apparently never heard of the sistine chapel
Pope Theophilus and his zealots in 391: "Allow us to introduce ourselves."
Hardware update lol
Then Natalie stretched her hand over the bathwater, redistributed the petals, and led us on the path towards a socialist utopia. The power she has :'(
Broey you’re great! Please talk about degrssi
Woah it's Broey deschanel
my mom once told me that since i chose a doll instead of a truck when i was two, i cant be a trans man. Thats literally her excuse lmao
People who think collecting dolls is feminine were born before the anime invasion lmao
Cause the last thing we want is active fathers!
I liked the idea of my Action Man eventually leaving all the war against monsters and the lego destruction behind, settling up with a Stacy and having a gigantic baby together.
@@laurafulton7023 ok troll
bruh that's the worst reason for thinking someone isn't trans I've ever heard
"A lot of trans people, *the literate ones* , have called this book transphobic" no one throws shade like this anymore except Nathalie we stan
Ahhhh yes gotta love the shade on blaire white
(The one who claimed she read that monstrosity of a book AND did an analysis of said book in... a few hours after it came out 😂)
@@mitsukikosan You mean the one who couldn't decide if she had the book express-shipped or if she read the e-book? xD
@@occupyvenus4868 I nearly screamed when I heard that contradiction, how anyone takes her seriously is beyond me
it's natalie
I have so much respect for Natalie. The fact that she can stand being in a bathtub while clothed is incredible.
The fact that her iphone that costs four figures is constantly hovering milimeters above the surface of the water is definitive proof that Natalie is in fact completly free of human weaknesses.
@@DangerSquiggles also the fact that people still buy apple products even tho they knowingly used child labor is beyond my comprehension
@@deepstariaenigmatica2601 That's true. Do you know of any accessible alternatives?
I couldn’t stop getting anxiety about the phone LOL
@@DangerSquiggles modern iPhones fairly resistant to water.
Thats one of the reasons the aux port was removed, after all.
They'll survive immersion pretty often, if not most of the time now.
Yet here I am using plastic bag with phone in it if I take a bath. Haha
Isn’t Harry Potter literally about a Slytherin trapped in a Gryffindor’s body?
Griffindor? I hardly know 'r.
Possibly? I think it's the other way around though.
"Not Slytherin? Well, if you're sure, better be... Gryffindor"
It's more about a nonbinary boy being forced to choose and afraid to be forced into the more stigmatized role, so the Sorting Hat put him into the other one. ;)
Be careful, Joanne might sue your ass if you try to create headcanons about HEr CrEaTiOnS.
Ninchennase uh no harry was always 100% griffindor, JKR has confirmed the sorting hat sensed voldemort's soul inside harry and that's why
Just a minor correction about Maya: she actually wasn't fired. Her contract had expired and her employer chose not to renew it, which they are entitled to do for any reason. Just another twist of the truth from Joanne.
I have a question why you hypocrites radical leftists think gay marriage is okay but cousin marriage is NOT okay?? If a man loves his FEMALE cousin, it’s okay to marry her
weird how she keeps twisting the truth to fit her narrative, almost like she thinks that she has to do this to get more people on her side bc it's actually all bullshit that she says
@@saudiarabianman4196 are u ok there mate lmao
@@saudiarabianman4196 what is wrong with you lmao
@@saudiarabianman4196 This is bait, no one would say anything so stupid and think it is all right
but now i want a video of you talking about baths please
Seconded!!
(Also, Sophie is the best of cats & we hope she's getting all the pets and scritches. 🤗)
Bath videos are valid
There are some things about baths that I'm interested in learning, from a philosophical, political and historical perspective. Somebody really needs to address the BQ, someone based and bathpilled.
Yeah, can we get a second channel of shorter fluffier hangout videos with Natalie? :P
Yes!
My grandmother literally told me she thought that people were "persuaded" to be gay. As if someone could persuade me to feel anxiety throughout my entire adolescence at the fear of being ostracized and kicked out of my Christian family. They'd have to be pretty persuasive.
The lack of empathy is astounding; they never seem to equate same sex attraction with their own perspective on attraction... Like Grandma, are you telling me you know you could be convinced to willingly and eagerly dive face-first into pussy after a few conversations and two weeks at summer camp?
Same with my mom. She idolizes this one pop star, she's a huge fan of him, and then when he came out as gay and even said he's known he's gay since he was young, she was like "I don't think he's actually gay, he's been pressured to be gay because he's so pretty"... I was just flabbergasted
@@MissPoplarLeaf is it ok if i ask who the pop star in question is?
@@HN-kr1nf My guess would be Ricky Martin.
I mean, they really make one hell of a case /s
The talking point about changing the conversation from semantics to politics is brilliant.
That’s why she is queen
I also hear "trans rights are human rights" a lot, how abt that one?
I love discussing gender philosophy, but its important to keep it separate from the political discourse.
@@iridescentdemon I'd say almost as good.
A lot of people when they hear "trans rights" think of stuff like medical transition being covered by public healthcare, which I also support but might be a harder sell to somebody who hasn't yet realized that transpeople are in fact not sex demons.
"Trans liberation now" might honestly have them perk up and wonder what you mean.. and then you can also talk about how we need to be liberated from the stigma that we are all sex demons.
I hate when someone’s tryna argue semantics when I’m trying to be like “human rights”