Don't focus on the lead or the bead....point nose/body at target, match the speed and break the target. For right handed shooters, you're naturally behind targets on the left of the barrel and ahead of targets on the right of the barrel
That's all fine and dandy when you get to see the target for some time, but...let's move the target closer and increase the speed and shorten the window of opportunity - none of what you're shoveling will work for me in this scenario! Let's throw a few trees in the way too. Coach me on this one!
Coaching is an art form. Whether you like his art or not, Gil is recognized as one of the greatest artists this sport has or likely ever will see again. I took his OSP course a few years back. I switched from winking one eye to keeping both open under his guidance. Never “looked” back. Now, I can’t hit ‘em all so want this dang nabbed Shottracker thing. Beyond cool. Great video both of you.
You guys did an awesome job of describing how and when to use the shot tracker. Learned a lot from this video. Would like to see you and gill do a video on different targets with the shot tracker.
Gil and Vicki are great. See the target with your nose pointing at dramatically slows it down. Matching speed with focus on the target simplifies the process.
Biggest takeaway for me was matching the target speed, when I'm not focused on the front sight and focused on the target everything slows down and the clays aren't just hit but completely pulverized. Me and my buddy were patterning choke tubes and different ammo on paper, when we started shooting clays we kept looking at the front sight and missing clays. It took a while to snap out of it and focus on the target. If I focus on lead distance, I usually miss, I think that's why speed matching is so important, you simply rely on your instinct.
I’m picking up my fist O/U tomorrow and I’m looking forward to applying what I’ve learned. For over 40 years I’ve been coming from behind on game birds with my pump shotgun with mixed success. Hopefully, this will help improve my success rate!
Great video! I really enjoyed the collaboration between a coach and a gifted exhibition shooter. I definitely have some new perspectives to try which may help me break more targets. Thanks guys
Loved your video with Gil, my only question would be, how does your brain account for the differences in ammo velocity? If your matching the speed of your target and breaking it with 1200 fps target loads, wouldn’t you miss with 1300 fps sporting clays load? Better yet, if you apply the matching the speed of your targets, (ducks), and your shooting 1500 fps ammunition, wouldn’t your lead be different?? Love your videos, keep up the great work!! God Bless
I've done the math. If you compared 1400fps vs. 1000fps for a 50yard crosser at 90'angle (the biggest lead a shot would need) and had target velocity of 50mph (which you aren't going to see) the point of impact is a difference of about 4 inches-BUT at 50yards that 4 inches is totally consumed by the pattern-so there is no difference in sight picture. Thus I always shoot 1oz/1150fps whenever possible for less recoil/easier to get to second target. hope this helps
Even Anthony Matarese admits using more swing through on some presentations now. Anthony mentioned in their round table discussion with George Digweed we use a different method but the end results are the same. George Digweed comes from behind on most targets with a maintained lead at the end. Both having the same barrel speed. Anthony uses a maintained pull away base method. Anthony admits that sometimes his barrel speed is too much at the end with pull away. But, George said in his opinion he eliminates 50% of the equation high or low by swing through with the line of the target.
i think if you come up behind and near the bird or on the bird and track for a few millisecs a lot of info,goes into the brain about line which is the difficulty with long distance driven birds and also info about speed ;if you then overtake the bird you can follow the all important line easier. The point about fine focus on the bird only at the point of firing is vital.
I have been starting the move of the shotgun when I say pull and liked it because it slows down my move BUT i didn't know if that was right or not so - thanks
Great video!!!! My big takeaway was sustained lead over pull away. I feel I do excessive movement and speed change with pull away. Is there ever a time to use pull away like on slow quarter shots where the gun would move to slow for sustained lead...that is what I need to find out shooting and practice both. Nice job again!
5% likes on such an informative video! 2”. Establish lead at insertion. For RH RE dom shooter LtR target look at the bird and then mount. Match the bird speed eliminates any variance in bird speed. If bird is getting away try starting the gun moving when calling.
Notes for me: Keep Both eyes and face centered on target, Don't look down barrel, begin slow and controlled gun movement to intercept, face will naturally mount the stock, match speed, with barrel in front of target (2in at barrel) Matching the speed is the most critical. Lead adjustments for distance not as important as The same visual lead (same MOA) will naturally provide greater lead and pattern increase as distance increases. On pairs try to identify pattern of both shells before engaging, to determine target order/ engagement zone. Do not look at Target and try to specify the lead, slows the gun down, let your brain intuit.
Your game plan has to be thought out a bit before you call pull. Once the target is released, you can't be thinking about the shot process, but rather your arms reacting to what your eyes are telling them to do. There are quite a few things involved in the total shot process, but all of it becomes naught if your eyes don't get to the leading edge of the target right before the trigger is pulled.
I got as far as "hold points not critical" yea thats just ridiculous, youl do well to find any other man that says that. Also is gill a good shot does anyone know?
Hey Steve I was wondering if you could review a TriStar Phoenix side by side for a budget side by side option. Love the channel and podcast they both help me alot. God bless you and your family
Well most great shooters eg Digweed , Hustlethwaite , Dave Carie and many others shoot overwhelmingly swing through or pull away. As far as wing shooting in UK you are shooting increasingly on driven birds whose flight path you don’t know beforehand flying beyond 40 yards at 40 to 60 miles an hour either staying at the same speed or accelerating and often curling. Maintained lead is not popular with the great game shooters because it’s difficult to adapt it wuickly to an unknown flight path.
Gil is such a Great Guy! Man I laughed when he said, "the normal hunter swings thru, shoots twice, and says things he shouldn't say!"🤣🤣🤣 I need him on my little hunting channel!
I like Gil Ash and the video was good but I wish I could see a video with a shooter who is not an expert. I am a novice shooter and I would love to get better.
I watch a lot of your content bc I get a lot of value from it! But on my phone I never can see the targets launched from machines. When I say never, I mean your video production makes them invisible on mobile phone screens. Can you get a zoom or do you like us seeing the back of your head that much? 😅
Exactly. Maintained lead, not what they teach you over here anywhere that I’ve come across. Ben Husthwaite wont teach you that method (having spent many hours/days under his tuition). All very interesting though.
@@bluesix2843 I shoot instinctively (which is what Gil Ash teaches) and that method of shooting is often mistaken for "sustained lead" or even "spot shooting". The biggest difference between Instinctive shooting and sustained lead is that, shooting instinctively allows a shooter to "never" have to remember how much lead was applied to a particular target. It doesn't matter how fast or what direction its flying, the process remains the same and "lead" is automatically calculated using the data from what the eye is seeing and transferring that data to the arms. I initially thought Instinctive Shooting was a crazy idea, but after learning it, I could never shoot any other way. It's just the most consistently accurate way I've found to shoot.
@@pawpawcotee I hear you. I’d be happy doing it like that however here they drill you not to on the most part. Generally hold point around 50% of when you see it best, meet/beat the barrel, match the speed and extend or swing through. I’m no expert and shoot best instinctively no doubt. The one thing that was drilled into me was hold point is No1.
Here's the problem with the "pointing" analogy. When you point, you are constantly adjusting the position of your finger relative to the target as the eyes get more information as to the relative positions. You don't just "point right at it", you aim your finger... Now if you practice "pointing", you will improve the ability of the brain to more accurately "point" and less aiming will be required. This is what the experts do when they talk about pointing,, not aiming. This is also the difference between "calculating lead" (doing 4+4+4+4=16) and "feeling lead" ( knowing that 4x4=16). Experience and practice. This kind of language aimed at beginners has always struck me as counter-productive and confusing. Asking them to work on running while they have no grasp of walking.
Gil Ash has some good information and I appreciate it, but I don’t believe he has ever coached anyone to become a world champion. His level of coaching is not at that level because he is not incorporating the other methods from what I’ve seen. The problem with his method is your guessing the line of the bird. That’s why George Digweed comes from behind the bird and then Ben Hustwith does a pull away. Anthony Mataresse does a hybrid of pull away and maintain as he goes for crossers which I think is a good compromise.
I am not being critical of your comment but who has coached the world champions? I truly don't know because I have never heard them say who was their guru. I have taken lessons from Gil and others. I think that I learned different things from all of them and incorporate different techniques depending on the presentation- one size doesn't fit all birds I guess.
@@MrCabimero that’s exactly what I mean. It is not one size fits all. Gil seems to concentrate on beginners to mid level and as a business that makes sense. He has been coaching so long you would think one of his students would have been world champion by now but there hasn’t been any because really at that level or even the top national level, it is not a complete way. A coach that is for the top levels would be Dan Carlisle. Of course Anthony Materese, Zach Kienbaum, Wendell Cherry would be ideal coaches at the top.
Homie why in the world would i close 1 eye to shoot a snake or anything else???thats the hill ill die on i shoot both open on 24x scope, red dot pistol pistol irons littererally everything and shoot a lot its not like i try but why would i handicap myself bye closing an eye
One takeaway from the video is to match the target speed. I'm getting better at it, but it takes practice to overcome existing habits. Another takeaway is to practice AND analyze, then correct, what you're doing. Otherwise, you're just tossing lead.
You don't have to subscribe to the cloud software to make the free app work. Just dowload the app and connect it to the Shot Tracker. As far as the tech that is in this thing...there's nothing like it. It may not be for everyone however, but I am certainly impressed. If it was just a camera...that would be a different story.
This video is horrendously bad!!! It’s soooo bad it’s actually funny😂😂😂 Gil’s method is so outdated it hurts, I guarantee you no top shooter uses just one method. It’s cringey to watch…I feel sorry for the people who pay him for lessons, they are being fleeced.
Even Anthony Matarese admits using more swing through on some presentations now. Anthony mentioned in their round table discussion with George Digweed we use a different method but the end results are the same. George Digweed comes from behind on most targets with a maintained lead at the end. But, George said in his opinion he eliminates 50% of the equation high or low by swing through with the line of the target.
Gil Ash “…the hold point is not critical…” dumbest statement I’ve ever heard from a “coach”!!! I disagree sir!! If you want to be able to repeat the shot, your hold point is critical, if you make the same shot, starting from different positions, you will get different results!!!
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What is one takeaway that you got from this video? We sure learned a lot and hope you did too!
Do you shoot with both eyes open
Follow the bird with your nose. Gil is awesome!
Don't focus on the lead or the bead....point nose/body at target, match the speed and break the target. For right handed shooters, you're naturally behind targets on the left of the barrel and ahead of targets on the right of the barrel
That's all fine and dandy when you get to see the target for some time, but...let's move the target closer and increase the speed and shorten the window of opportunity - none of what you're shoveling will work for me in this scenario! Let's throw a few trees in the way too. Coach me on this one!
Thank you for the video. I am about to order the shottracker😅
Gil's teaching style can't be beat. I still have one of his VHS tapes on Dove Shooting. It really helped my shotgun shooting.
Coaching is an art form. Whether you like his art or not, Gil is recognized as one of the greatest artists this sport has or likely ever will see again. I took his OSP course a few years back. I switched from winking one eye to keeping both open under his guidance. Never “looked” back. Now, I can’t hit ‘em all so want this dang nabbed Shottracker thing. Beyond cool. Great video both of you.
GIL ASH is the King of cool. I’ve been watching him and Mrs. Ash for years.
You guys did an awesome job of describing how and when to use the shot tracker. Learned a lot from this video. Would like to see you and gill do a video on different targets with the shot tracker.
Watching this ShotTracker technology and coaching working together in action is captivating. Such a great video.
I had not heard other coaches talk about pointing the nose off the gun!
Gil and Vicki are great. See the target with your nose pointing at dramatically slows it down. Matching speed with focus on the target simplifies the process.
The Minute of Angle piece I've never thought about!! This is eye-opening....huge bit of info!!!
One of the best videos I have EVER watched
Biggest takeaway for me was matching the target speed, when I'm not focused on the front sight and focused on the target everything slows down and the clays aren't just hit but completely pulverized. Me and my buddy were patterning choke tubes and different ammo on paper, when we started shooting clays we kept looking at the front sight and missing clays. It took a while to snap out of it and focus on the target. If I focus on lead distance, I usually miss, I think that's why speed matching is so important, you simply rely on your instinct.
I found d this video very interesting… I liked his analogy of entering a freeway on the move slows things down
What a great video! So clear cut and straight to the point!
By far the best and most helpful so far.
Incredibly interesting!!! Im stunned at the detail! Great video fellas!
That Shot Tracker is cool, what a great way to use it for remote coaching!
Awesome tips and lesson. You asked great questions Steve, from the shooter's perspective. Thank you to you and Gil for doing this video.
I’m picking up my fist O/U tomorrow and I’m looking forward to applying what I’ve learned. For over 40 years I’ve been coming from behind on game birds with my pump shotgun with mixed success. Hopefully, this will help improve my success rate!
Great video! I really enjoyed the collaboration between a coach and a gifted exhibition shooter. I definitely have some new perspectives to try which may help me break more targets. Thanks guys
My dad uses gil's method. I'm a digweed method guy, if you don't shoot a lot Gil's method is harder to maintain IMO.
Loved your video with Gil, my only question would be, how does your brain account for the differences in ammo velocity? If your matching the speed of your target and breaking it with 1200 fps target loads, wouldn’t you miss with 1300 fps sporting clays load? Better yet, if you apply the matching the speed of your targets, (ducks), and your shooting 1500 fps ammunition, wouldn’t your lead be different??
Love your videos, keep up the great work!! God Bless
I've done the math. If you compared 1400fps vs. 1000fps for a 50yard crosser at 90'angle (the biggest lead a shot would need) and had target velocity of 50mph (which you aren't going to see) the point of impact is a difference of about 4 inches-BUT at 50yards that 4 inches is totally consumed by the pattern-so there is no difference in sight picture. Thus I always shoot 1oz/1150fps whenever possible for less recoil/easier to get to second target. hope this helps
Great video!! As always… informative & entertaining. Please keep them coming.
Even Anthony Matarese admits using more swing through on some presentations now. Anthony mentioned in their round table discussion with George Digweed we use a different method but the end results are the same. George Digweed comes from behind on most targets with a maintained lead at the end. Both having the same barrel speed. Anthony uses a maintained pull away base method. Anthony admits that sometimes his barrel speed is too much at the end with pull away. But, George said in his opinion he eliminates 50% of the equation high or low by swing through with the line of the target.
i think if you come up behind and near the bird or on the bird and track for a few millisecs a lot of info,goes into the brain about line which is the difficulty with long distance driven birds and also info about speed ;if you then overtake the bird you can follow the all important line easier. The point about fine focus on the bird only at the point of firing is vital.
I have been starting the move of the shotgun when I say pull and liked it because it slows down my move BUT i didn't know if that was right or not so - thanks
Fantastic video, when is the Shot Tracker give away contest?
Great video!!!! My big takeaway was sustained lead over pull away. I feel I do excessive movement and speed change with pull away. Is there ever a time to use pull away like on slow quarter shots where the gun would move to slow for sustained lead...that is what I need to find out shooting and practice both. Nice job again!
U should go to Argentina with Mr. Ash....his Argentina videos are great.
I would be very interested in what Mr. Ash will advice for a right handed shooter with left eye blind. My case..
5% likes on such an informative video! 2”. Establish lead at insertion. For RH RE dom shooter LtR target look at the bird and then mount. Match the bird speed eliminates any variance in bird speed. If bird is getting away try starting the gun moving when calling.
my master eye is on the left and I shoot on my right does it matter still look at the target the same way as you were shooting on right handed?
Form me this is a revolution😮
Most important part of targets is matching speed
With the eye on the bird…
Just wondering what choke is used and shot weight size and speed? Great video
Notes for me: Keep Both eyes and face centered on target, Don't look down barrel, begin slow and controlled gun movement to intercept, face will naturally mount the stock, match speed, with barrel in front of target (2in at barrel) Matching the speed is the most critical. Lead adjustments for distance not as important as The same visual lead (same MOA) will naturally provide greater lead and pattern increase as distance increases. On pairs try to identify pattern of both shells before engaging, to determine target order/ engagement zone. Do not look at Target and try to specify the lead, slows the gun down, let your brain intuit.
Thanks for sharing your notes - these are some great tips. 👍
Your game plan has to be thought out a bit before you call pull. Once the target is released, you can't be thinking about the shot process, but rather your arms reacting to what your eyes are telling them to do. There are quite a few things involved in the total shot process, but all of it becomes naught if your eyes don't get to the leading edge of the target right before the trigger is pulled.
Match the speed, eyes on target!
im right down the road from fulshear tx
I got as far as "hold points not critical" yea thats just ridiculous, youl do well to find any other man that says that.
Also is gill a good shot does anyone know?
Hey Steve I was wondering if you could review a TriStar Phoenix side by side for a budget side by side option. Love the channel and podcast they both help me alot. God bless you and your family
Why ???
This looks like intercept method to me. I prefer a modified pull away.
However, not every target is best broke or killed w the same move.
i live in Australia when do they post to australia with the shot tracker
Great video
Can you tell me what gun you are using and what is that stock?
I'd love to see George Digweed or Brandon Powell use this and see what it tells about them.
What about Jack Mitchell, step in the direction of the target and use automatic / natural mental mind ?
Are you going to be @ the Ponca state park in September
Well most great shooters eg Digweed , Hustlethwaite , Dave Carie and many others shoot overwhelmingly swing through or pull away. As far as wing shooting in UK you are shooting increasingly on driven birds whose flight path you don’t know beforehand flying beyond 40 yards at 40 to 60 miles an hour either staying at the same speed or accelerating and often curling. Maintained lead is not popular with the great game shooters because it’s difficult to adapt it wuickly to an unknown flight path.
Do a review on the yildiz brand from academy!
George Digweed shoots swing through
Great episode 👍👍👍
this some #Jedi level training right here lol. #jakehunter88 awesome
Can you do a review of the ata neox
Interesting thx
Gil is such a Great Guy! Man I laughed when he said, "the normal hunter swings thru, shoots twice, and says things he shouldn't say!"🤣🤣🤣 I need him on my little hunting channel!
I like Gil Ash and the video was good but I wish I could see a video with a shooter who is not an expert. I am a novice shooter and I would love to get better.
WHAT SHOULD I DO? I’m a righthanded shooter but my left eye is my dominant eye
Learn to shoot left hand. Not simple but in the end it’ll be well worth it. You’ll always struggle until such time
@@FYMM69 i can’t even pick up a pencil with my left hand🤣🤣🤣
Mounting in front of the bird to match the speed, really slows it down; hmmh, I'll have to try that with my nose
Try benelli duca di montefeltro 2024🙏
I watch a lot of your content bc I get a lot of value from it! But on my phone I never can see the targets launched from machines. When I say never, I mean your video production makes them invisible on mobile phone screens. Can you get a zoom or do you like us seeing the back of your head that much? 😅
Its got to be your screen, or your reception, because Im using a pixel 6a and its fine (on wifi).
Minnesooooota
I thought this was the game fair guy just confirmed it when he said minnesota 😂
Takeaway is match the speed
Takeaway/sustain lead
match the speed, lead based on distance.. No need to over complicate things
😂 cute 17:41 🖐🏻😜🤚🏻
*more drones*
Iolololol steve aint missing none of that haha
Digweed comes from behind the bird 🤷♂️
Exactly. Maintained lead, not what they teach you over here anywhere that I’ve come across. Ben Husthwaite wont teach you that method (having spent many hours/days under his tuition). All very interesting though.
@@bluesix2843 I shoot instinctively (which is what Gil Ash teaches) and that method of shooting is often mistaken for "sustained lead" or even "spot shooting". The biggest difference between Instinctive shooting and sustained lead is that, shooting instinctively allows a shooter to "never" have to remember how much lead was applied to a particular target. It doesn't matter how fast or what direction its flying, the process remains the same and "lead" is automatically calculated using the data from what the eye is seeing and transferring that data to the arms. I initially thought Instinctive Shooting was a crazy idea, but after learning it, I could never shoot any other way. It's just the most consistently accurate way I've found to shoot.
@@pawpawcotee I hear you. I’d be happy doing it like that however here they drill you not to on the most part. Generally hold point around 50% of when you see it best, meet/beat the barrel, match the speed and extend or swing through. I’m no expert and shoot best instinctively no doubt. The one thing that was drilled into me was hold point is No1.
Swing through method. Same as what I prefer
I can shoot and hit flying clay target with ease, but I can't for the life of me shoot a dove flying. 😂
Here's the problem with the "pointing" analogy. When you point, you are constantly adjusting the position of your finger relative to the target as the eyes get more information as to the relative positions. You don't just "point right at it", you aim your finger...
Now if you practice "pointing", you will improve the ability of the brain to more accurately "point" and less aiming will be required. This is what the experts do when they talk about pointing,, not aiming.
This is also the difference between "calculating lead" (doing 4+4+4+4=16) and "feeling lead" ( knowing that 4x4=16). Experience and practice.
This kind of language aimed at beginners has always struck me as counter-productive and confusing. Asking them to work on running while they have no grasp of walking.
Problem with pointing is others think June is your favourite month
Any way you could do a review on the GForce one or two inertia hunting shotgun?
Gil Ash has some good information and I appreciate it, but I don’t believe he has ever coached anyone to become a world champion. His level of coaching is not at that level because he is not incorporating the other methods from what I’ve seen. The problem with his method is your guessing the line of the bird. That’s why George Digweed comes from behind the bird and then Ben Hustwith does a pull away. Anthony Mataresse does a hybrid of pull away and maintain as he goes for crossers which I think is a good compromise.
I am not being critical of your comment but who has coached the world champions? I truly don't know because I have never heard them say who was their guru. I have taken lessons from Gil and others. I think that I learned different things from all of them and incorporate different techniques depending on the presentation- one size doesn't fit all birds I guess.
@@MrCabimero that’s exactly what I mean. It is not one size fits all. Gil seems to concentrate on beginners to mid level and as a business that makes sense. He has been coaching so long you would think one of his students would have been world champion by now but there hasn’t been any because really at that level or even the top national level, it is not a complete way. A coach that is for the top levels would be Dan Carlisle. Of course Anthony Materese, Zach Kienbaum, Wendell Cherry would be ideal coaches at the top.
Steve, try reviewing the G force 1 or 2 hunting shotgun. I’ve heard it’s a benelli knockoff
Homie why in the world would i close 1 eye to shoot a snake or anything else???thats the hill ill die on i shoot both open on 24x scope, red dot pistol pistol irons littererally everything and shoot a lot its not like i try but why would i handicap myself bye closing an eye
I have too. I’m left eye dominant but right handed. So I tape my glasses so my right eye has to focus
How would closing your non-dominant eye when looking through a magnified optic be a handicap?
@TargetFocusedLife get a real coach to give you a lesson and see the difference, ideally Anthony M or Ben H
One takeaway from the video is to match the target speed. I'm getting better at it, but it takes practice to overcome existing habits.
Another takeaway is to practice AND analyze, then correct, what you're doing. Otherwise, you're just tossing lead.
Putting your nose on the target not the barrel
$240 a year to subscribe to make the $10 app work ? + $1000 for the actual tracker that is a $6 Chinese camera , ye no thanks .
You don't have to subscribe to the cloud software to make the free app work. Just dowload the app and connect it to the Shot Tracker. As far as the tech that is in this thing...there's nothing like it. It may not be for everyone however, but I am certainly impressed. If it was just a camera...that would be a different story.
This video is horrendously bad!!! It’s soooo bad it’s actually funny😂😂😂
Gil’s method is so outdated it hurts, I guarantee you no top shooter uses just one method. It’s cringey to watch…I feel sorry for the people who pay him for lessons, they are being fleeced.
Even Anthony Matarese admits using more swing through on some presentations now. Anthony mentioned in their round table discussion with George Digweed we use a different method but the end results are the same. George Digweed comes from behind on most targets with a maintained lead at the end. But, George said in his opinion he eliminates 50% of the equation high or low by swing through with the line of the target.
Gil Ash “…the hold point is not critical…” dumbest statement I’ve ever heard from a “coach”!!!
I disagree sir!! If you want to be able to repeat the shot, your hold point is critical, if you make the same shot, starting from different positions, you will get different results!!!