Sabot Slugs vs Rifled Slugs | Does it Make a Difference?
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- Sabot Slugs vs Rifled Slugs | Does it make a difference? Rifled slugs are meant to be shot through smooth-bore shotguns and Sabot slugs through rifled shotgun barrels. If you are big game hunting with a shotgun, does it really make a difference what route you go? Does it matter if you shoot a rifled slug through a rifled barrel or a sabot through a smooth bore? We had just received the new Federal Freight Train Sabot Slugs so this was a perfect opportunity to hit the range and find out.
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My daughter wanted to try her hand at deer hunting. After she passed her Hunter Safety course, I bought her a Mossberg 500 in 20ga. It came with field and rifled bbls. I mounted a 1x-6x LPVO on it. That thing is a tack driver. Daughter figured out it got too cold during WI deer hunt so she quit after a few sits. Daddy now has a sniper shotty.
When I bought my rifled slug barrel for my remington 870 it came with instructions that said it was made for optimum performance with remington slugger rifled slugs. At 50 yards it shot dead on. There was some coarse lead fowling but it cleaned out easily with a brush. Cheap and accurate so I never felt the need for expensive sabot slugs
Rifled slugs wont hurt a rifled barrel. Its old fuddlore. Think about it, soft lead .38s dont damage a levergun. The lead is simply too soft to damage anything. You might get more lead fouling than you're use to, but ill take lead fouling over plastic fouling any day.
Steve, you need to test a rifled choke tube with a smooth bore and foster slugs.
I second that suggestion!
Third. Rifled choke makes a big improvement from my limited testing, would love to see from a pro
@@leeroy1387 vast improvement with the carlsons rifled choke!
Agreed
Yes AND I’d also like to see Sabots through a smooth bore with rifled choke.
I've used a rifled slug through a rifled barrel for years. It always shot better than the smooth bore but it does leave lead smearing in the barrel rifling. Takes a little more work to clean.
I would love to see a part 2 with some optics on the guns, some different brands and types of slugs, and also some choke tubes like improved cylinder!
Living in that Slug territory. I have always shot a Mossberg 500 with Sabot slugs. Last deer I shot was at 120yrds and it was a double long pass through. So plenty of power!
Great video, this was something I've been curious on. Also, Kentucky Ballistics recently did a video that had similar results with the wad ended up penetrating like this. Under slow motion, you could see that a close range, the wad was still following the slug so closely that the temporary wound channel opened up by the slug allowed it to just follow along into the block.
Hi Steve, This is about 20 years ago. My wife and I have Remington 11-87's. I bought her a fully rifled barrel right away for it and a scope that was attached to the barrel. Her parents bought me a barrel for slugs but it wasn't rifled, It did have a rifled choke. I got a scope on a B-Square mount, I think that is what it was called. My wife was to cheap, god I hope she doesn't read this, to buy the sabot rounds that were designed for her gun so we always both shot the same 2 3/4 Remington "pumpkin balls". Both shot about 3" groups at 50 yards, and about 4-5 inches at 100. She used that for about 15 years until I convinced her to switch to a muzzleloader. If you can use those where you are, I highly recommend them, they are crazy accurate and you can easily shoot 200 to 300 yards. If you can get a savage that shoots smokeless that is even better. I have one of those, I use smokeless and can shoot about 50 rounds before cleaning and it is super accurate. Anyway, good luck this season and I love the channel.
Love all the comments. 1. Weather you say Say-bow, Sa-bo, or Sabot, we're all talking about the same thing. I realize I said it wrong several times in this video. Please forgive me. 2. Rifled slugs do impart some level of spin. Check out this video th-cam.com/video/EhpSQZ82i-s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=dnCsKh8H7fro8woX
I’ve been using a Remington 20 gauge 870 express mag with a 24” rifled barrel with 3” Remington accutips for about a decade now. I’ll never shoot a smooth bore with rifled slugs again. I killed many deer with rifled slugs and a smooth bore, but it’s not even close to damage and patterning compared to a rifled barrel with a sabot round. Great video, confirms my life experience.
I worked as a butcher, the damage those sabots do absolutely blows me away. Even sent Federal an email saying how awesome their trophy coper was after pulling several from monster deer. Got a cool carepackage from them for that :) it was super cool of them.
I wonder how devastating a full size slug designed to expand like a sabot would be.
Good Stuff Steve, thanks for the informative vid!! I live in Iowa, and haven’t purchased a straight-wall rifle yet so I’m still shooting slugs. I know I’m not comfortable shooting rifled slugs through my 870 bird barrel much past 50 yards, but I can shoot Remington copper Sabots through the rifled barrel on my Mossberg 500 out to 100 yds reliably. I know my uncle has killed deer past 100 yards with rifled slugs through the rifled barrel of his 870 slug gun, but he also has a 4-8 power rifle scope attatched.
Shooting rifled slugs is similar to shooting .22lr in that you need to find a load that works well in your setup.
Most hunters shoot one or two from a clean barrel after sighting in with a dirty barrel? Lol
rifle sights vs bead sight makes most of the accuracy difference. Interesting video, keep up the good work.
Lead is way softer than your barrel steel so a rifled slug through a rifled barrel won't hurt a thing. Dad did that forever with his 870.
As for rifle slugs, they make them today a little bit under bored to make them safe for medium and full chokes. This is why they aren't accurate. There are older guns with fixed chokes, sometimes shooters forget to change chokes to imp. cyl.
I use smooth bore slug barrel with fixed choke 0.695 constriction, and it is as accurare as sabot.
Growing up in Iowa for years only be able to shoot a slug gun. It is imperative with a smooth board and rifle slugs that you try several brands. The difference is huge.
Muzzle loaders eatumall! Pellet guns just nibble, piknchoose! Oh sabooo just dunnoo hoho.
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That rifled slug is federals deep penetration slugs . A regular all lead foster slug wouldn’t go through one gel block , they completely come apart or turn into a 1-2 strip of lead
Rifled slugs do spin however. Check out this video th-cam.com/video/EhpSQZ82i-s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=dnCsKh8H7fro8woX
@@TargetFocusedLife not talking about them spinning. I’m talking about what the slug is made of that you used . That particular rifled slugs is federals deep penetration slugs . A regular lead foster slug breaks up and doesn’t give you half the penetration.
Interesting, I bought a rifled barrel Benneli pump at auction. I have always wondered if it would shoot rifled slugs. I recently bought several boxes of freight train.
I use a carlsons rifled choke with rifled slugs and a red dot sight. I havent tried it at 100 yards, but i get excellent accuracy at 50 yards. It can put 10 rounds fully within a 3 inch circle
Savage 220 with accutips gives me a comfortable 175 yard shot. I’ve changed to an AR pistol setup chambered in 308 that gives me 250-300 comfortably. Trying out 8.6 blackout this season
I have shot a Remington 870 with a rifled barrel using Hornady SST 300 grain slugs. Crazy accurate. Always enjoy your videos. Thanks for making the content.
It would be nice to try a drag stabalized slug (Thug Slug Ballistic Products or some of the Bereneke options.) I hear they are very accurate through a smooth bore.
Remington rifled slugs grouped under a couple inches at 100 yards from the Ithaca deer slayer smoothbore I had back in the day. It's all ammo dependent sometimes.
Yes I’m in a slug zone savage 220 Leupold scope
I have a rifled barrel with scope and can shoot under 2 1/2” groups. And yes you can shoot rifled slug through rifled barrel. May get more leading.
Ill take lead fouling over plastic fouling any time. I hate scrubbing plastic out.
The Federal Power Shok 12 ga. sabot has been the most accurate in my Mossberg. I haven't been able to find any for four and a half years. Remington sabots are pretty good, Hornady not. I mean in my gun. Fortunately, I can now use a straight-wall rifle. Probably won't go back to slugs.
Depends once you get the right gun definitely makes a world of difference pump combos usually won’t shoot 100 yards well sabots or not my savage 220 doubles my effective range
I use those same Federal Truball 1 oz rifled slugs in my Mossberg 590A1 Retrograde with the stock ghost ring sights with rather excellent accuracy out to 75 yards grouping 2”
I've never shot a smooth bore that grouped rifled slugs over 4" at 100yds with bead sight.
All your shotguns shot slugs at 100 yards under 4 inches??
We used to have to use slug guns, it sucked. Lol. Used to shoot rifles slugs touching at 50 yards with open sights and rifles sights tho. We’ve been rifle for 8 years now and it’s light years better. With sabots I have had two deer drop, get up and run off with hornaday sst, so I stick with Winchester slugs. Both smooth and rifled barrels were 20”, we shot rifled slugs in a rifled barrel many times with no issues also. The rifled barrel I have is a Hastings and was very accurate.
Rifled slugs rifled barrel. Best of both worlds.
Very well presented! Those rifled slugs you were shooting, flowed badly (slugs did NOT separate from wad, creating poor accuracy and most probably restricted slug to open up).
rifled slugs have been known to pancake if hitting a heavy bone, like the shoulder bone of a bear or a deer. That is why most recommend the sabots. Clay
Understand that you were using the copper coated Truball slugs - designed for deep penetration. A lead only (non-tactical version)Truball is moving faster and does not have a copper coating so it will deform/mushroom much faster. Penetration would be far less.
My county doesn't allow rifles for deer hunting. I get amazing accuracy out of sabot slugs from a savage bolt action 20 ga. I sought it in at 100 yards and it will shoot a 2 inch group.
Your rifled slug performance is brutal. IC choke and Remington 2 3/4 inch rifled slugs out of my maxus will put all the shots inside a paper plate at 100 yards. 2 3/4 inch Remington accutip sabots will group under 2 inchs at 100 with and sx3 slug gun and sbe2 slug gun with optics.
Very good, informative test. Thank you...
I have a mossberg 590 with a rdo, i can put all 9 shots within 2-3 inches of each other at 100 yards using 3” federal power-shock 1-1/4oz slugs. If your using a smoothbore for slugs invest in a red dot 👌
Those are some beautiful shotguns sir
I use a smooth bore with federal truball rifled slugs. I have a red dot on the shotgun it keeps about a 5inch group at 100yards.
Dad told me he got 200 yards from slugs in his rifled slug barrel on his 1100 and 50-75 yards from his smoothbore.
U need to use a modified choke for the rifled slug. Cylinder choke doesn't work very well. Awesome video though. Thumbs up!
I use cylinder on mine, and it shoot very accurately, especially with federal for some reason?
“Say-bow” rather than “sah-bow” :)
But, great video, thanks. One thing I’m curious about is a rifled choke with the “rifled” slugs. I tried the rifled slugs out of my smooth bore and even at 50 yards it would not be ethical to use for hunting, like you saw too. So I picked up a rifled choke to try (mossberg 500 rifled barrels had been out of stock everywhere). We’ll see. Though the Savage bolt action rifled 20 gauge is VERY tempting.
Finally. What an amazing video. I would like to see shots at 200 yards with these
Although Colorado doesn't sllow them for hunting, slug info is always good.
Its 100% legal to use 12 gauge or 20 gauge slugs for big game in colorado. Not sure what you’re talking about
I had a mossberg 500 with field and slug barrel with 2x scope. I shoot rifled true ball slugs out of the rifled barrel with 4” groups at 100 yards. Never tried the smooth bore barrel
The next question is how does a smooth bore with a rifled choke and optics performs with sabot slugs
Great vid. Thank you
I use a rifled choke tub they work great
Pass through for me. That one ounce slug is almost twice the weight of that puney Sabot and went through 35 inches of gel. That's stopping power.
The energy doesn't do any good if the round carries out all through. You want the round to go in and dump all the energy possible. Pass-through is a waste.
Would you shoot a FMJ or hollow point at a big game animal?
@Adam-1220MN FMJ for stopping power or a one ounce slug against a charging bear every time.
@peterforrestel2558 not a waste for me.
The sabot looks good thanks for the test
I find my smooth bore shoots slugs better with imp. Cyl. Choke than with mod. Choke. Worth considering
That would be an interesting test. "How do choke tubes effect slug performance?"
I have a slug barrel for my 870. I've shot the rifled slugs in it for years. Because they are usually cheaper than sabot's. And they group so close to the sabots there isn't any difference to me. But the barrel is rifled.
Great comparison. Rifles barrel 20 ga. Sabot
Curious what choke you had in the smooth barrel, I've only tested slugs for 3-gun but a Skeet choke shot a group similar to that at 50yds! A modified choke shot about a 4" group at 50yds, which was more than adequate in my mind for 3 gun.
We were using a skeet choke. Looks another video is needed. "How do Choke Tubes effect slug performance"
@@TargetFocusedLife that would be cool!
Love my savage 220 with rem accutips
every gun and ammo combo is different even if you compare two same guns with ammo of the same type and brand. i used to shoot remington rifled slugs out of my smooth bore sears m200 and hit an 8 or 10 inch target reliably at 100 yards. some guns just shoot better than others. the rifled slug test you did here would be interesting to see if you use the same gun but try some different brand and types of rifled slugs to see if the performance changes
Sabot= Say bow , lol do it with a smooth bore slug barrell my 870 is a tack driver with Foster style slugs.
Steve you have to know the rifling on the rifled slug does not do whay you think,
Foster slugs are made stable by their weight distribution, by beeing nose heavy they don't need spin to be stable,
What we call rifling on those slug is there to make them safer to shoot throught a choke
You also have to know that all foster slugs are not equal on penetration, the ones you had are pretty much jacketed and won't expand and penetrate very well, that make them a good choice for something like bear defence, but they are not the most popular foster slugs, a lot of them are made of pure lead and are going to expand violantly and will penetrate a lot less
I think you should do a follow up video to show your audience that type of foster slugs too
I pour hot glue around my projectiles in the mold. Im not sure of the performances and would like any comments!
Excellent video with informative comments by viewers, both French & English! LOL!
Your choice of choke that you use on you smooth bore can make a huge difference. Test the same slug with a rifled ckoke...
Will do!
go watch some high speed videos of rifled slugs in smooth bores. What it really does is allow the rifling to conform to different size bores and help improve overall performance. If you notice there is a ring at the back that creates a gas’s seal and the rifling helps keep it centered in the bore. In order for a rifle slug to spin in a smooth barrel it would have to cut into the barrel to generate that spin. If a bullet(most bullets) that is designed to fully engage a rifle barrel doesn’t ruin a barrel. Then why would a slug (rifles slug) that makes even less contact? there’s a lot of misinformation regarding shotguns.
That's amazing You can answer all of my questions in one video
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Seems to me the riffled barrel is the most important thing
Great vid and test for this age old question!
Glad it helped!
Need to try out the ata neo x because I heard it’s very good for the price
Sabot vs Sabo - what's the difference?
One pronunciation is French.
Was that the wad or the attached skirt from the base of the saboted bullet?
Never use copper slugs in a smooth bore. Try it again with the 1 ounce Remington hole point lead slugs. I've never seen accuracy that bad before.
Would have been a little more fair if the smooth bore had sights like the rifled barrel
Generally smooth bore barrels don't have iron sights on them, but you are correct. It is flat out easier to aim with iron sights on a rifled barrel vs a bead on a smooth bore.
Rifled slugs were actually designed to crush down to fit through different sized chokes before interchangeable chokes became a thing and they added the twist to the rifling to help with aerodynamics and bullets flight but the rifling is made of soft lead to crush down to fit through a fixed full choke so it won’t hurt to shoot it through a rifled barrel you’ll just need to spend extra time cleaning it
Nonsense, look up the designers patent he designed them to SPIN ! Then you can correct yourself.
It would be awesome to see the rifled choke in this lineup to compare...
Great video recommendation!
Think i need a rifled barrel and some sabots.
Riffled slugs work better or best in a smooth bore
That may depend on the slug and the barrel combo. We had better results when we shot the riffled slug through the rifled barrel than we did when we shot the riffled slug though the smooth bore.
@@TargetFocusedLife were you using a full choke
Great video.
Rifled slugs. The rifling is to allow the slug to compress through a choke, not for rotation. The shock wave coming off the nose prevents any air induced force on the rifling. It's common misconception.
Rifled slugs do spin however. Check out this video th-cam.com/video/EhpSQZ82i-s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=dnCsKh8H7fro8woX
I live in shotgun zone, but shoot a pistol. Rifled slugs are at best 50 yds shotguns
All depends what kind of sighting solution you are using. I mount a red dot on my shotgun since it's milled for an rmsc optic. At 100 yards I can hold a 4" group all day long. For a foster style slug that's by far sufficient even though my typical shot where I hunt is sub 20yards.
Better accuracy out of shorter barrel? That is wierd for me!
Another thing that smooth bore is a pile of junk. You can figure even a shot shell is doing that out of that barrel. You should probably test that. I have gone thru 4 barrels exactly the same to find a good one. They are not all the same.
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MY SON HUNTS WITH A SHOTGUN WITH SMOOTHBORE AND HE SAYS THE MAX DISTANCE A RIFLED SLUG IS GOOD FOR IS 50 YARDS ACCURATLY AND HE DOES A LOT OF SHOOTING AT 50 YARDS WITHSLUGS AND SHOOTH INVH TO 1 1/4 INCH GROUPS
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have shot federal trophy coppers for years. did they replace the trophy copper with that new sabot?
I believe so
I use slugs. I live in rifle country though so I get plenty of weird looks. They are cheap and they get the job done. I need my Maverick 88 to do multiple jobs and it may not be the best tool but it will get it done. Rifles are just way too expensive for me.
ide be curious to see a rifles choke tube i have one on my Ithica
I like it! We'll have to see how choke tubes impact performance.
I live in shotgun zone, Minnesota
As a poor college student and resident of NY state, it's a hassle to own anything fun. A shotgun is one of the few things that isn't banned or neutered into oblivion
With a rifled barrel maybe 75 meters/yards, would not shoot at 100 meters/yards. But that is just me...
100 yards with no sights -- I’d say pretty good
The rifling on the slugs is NOT there to impart spin, and usually does not do so, its there so the slugs can compress when going thru a choke or choked barrel.
If that were the intention, why not have straight grooves on the slug? Taofledermaus proved that they do in fact spin. With a modified choke I can hit a paper plate at 100 yards, with the cylinder bore tube they're all over the place at 100.
WRONG, you watched Spomers BS how foolish.
@harrypeterson9287 That's interesting, my shotgun with a cylinder bore shoots great?? I can put 5 slugs on a paper plate at 100 yards, it probably helps my shotgun has front and rear sights? Idk and the slugs on taufledermaus did spin, like I said usually they will not. I can find plenty of high speed video to prove my point as well. And the groves in the slugs are there for compression not to impart spin, if they do great, but the shape and weight forward design of the slugs is what actually stabilizes it in flight, not spin. And I have no idea what your talking about spoomer? I know this from actual facts, not anecdotal evidence that occasionally they will spin some, for the most part they DO NOT SPIN look into it, there is way more film of them not spinning, in fact the only reason I said that they MIGHT was because of that tauflader video, because of the dozens of high speed videos I've seen that is the ONLY one where spin is imparted. Look then come back and tell me I'm wrong, I'll wait.
@craigparker4108 Never saw whatever your talking about, contact a manufacturer or better yet watch 10 videos of slugs leaving a smooth bore barrel, the only time I've ever seen a slugs spin was one taufleder video, all the rest I can find there is no spin, also they are designed to fly stable with NO SPIN STABILITY. Go watch some more videos, one video is anecdotal 10 is evidence.
These rifling grooves were mostly cosmetic, as they did not really impart much spin to the slug at all as it went through the barrel. A recent video was done that shows that the rifled slugs do indeed have some rotation, but it is very little and probably does not actually do much regarding accuracy. The main purpose, other than making the customer "feel like" his slugs would spin, was to allow the slugs to be swedged through any size choke. The manufacturers of the slugs could not know for sure what choke would be used by the customer, so they put these grooves on the slugs to allow them to swedge through any normal choke."
Ever shot the Benelli Montefeltro Silver? Would like to see a review of that shotgun #targetfocusedlife
I have not. When did they make those. It doesn't appear that the Silver is a current production model.
Rifled slug is not for spinning. It's fins are for allowing the slug to fit in all sizes of choke.
Yes, was about to say the same thing. The stability comes from its front end weight design etc. Also omitted here is the type of choke used as it makes a difference. Cylinder or 1/4 are the 2 best options. Anything else can affect the accuracy of a rifled slug.
Except they do spin. th-cam.com/video/EhpSQZ82i-s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xDkiAxD6xGFqG1Q9
You can believe whoever told you that, but you can't argue with a high speed camera.
If you watch that video from the beginning, it’s where you can see the design wasn’t to induce spin. It is an after effect not by intent.
@@guydgreenfield Not even a single minute into the video he shows the original patent which states that groves give the slug "rotary movement".
And you're the one telling me to watch from the beginning?
@@harrypeterson9287 exactly
The term rifled slug is misleading they are simply made this way to squeeze down to pass through choke and not to induce spin.
Rifled slugs do spin however. Check out this video th-cam.com/video/EhpSQZ82i-s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=dnCsKh8H7fro8woX
On full pass through vs captured in the animal it really all depends on use. Thin skinned lightly haired animals like deer, I'll can go either way just depends what bullets I want to use. But, something furry like a bear that will soak up blood and make it hard to trail in dense wet timber like here in AK I want 2 holes. The exit holes always bleed more than entrance holes as far as I've seen so a pass through is better in my mind. As well in said situation I prefer low on body shots so blood isnt pooling and filling the cavity when at the onset and instead is going on the ground. I figure its like a 5 gallon bucket spilling red paint, would you prefer the trail made by a hole near the top of the bucket or one in the bottom of the bucket from where the animal was standing when you shot? 🤷♂️😆
Well said. Thank you for adding your knowledge to the conversation.
it's range, sabot should work out to 150 yards, i assembled a slug gun, rifled barrel, 2 x 7, 4 inch 150 yards all day long, with sabots...from a rest 😂
Incorrect info ref the rifling on the slug. See comments above.
Rifled slugs do spin however. Check out this video th-cam.com/video/EhpSQZ82i-s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=dnCsKh8H7fro8woX