Audio signal levels explained: Mic level vs line level vs instrument level

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  • @arbitersofsound
    @arbitersofsound  ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you have any specific questions about your cables and connections, leave us a comment, or ask us on Discord 😃

    • @canalmeu8865
      @canalmeu8865 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And auxiliar connections?

  • @darwinsaye
    @darwinsaye 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think one thing you should have mentioned was headphone level. It’s quite common for people to use a headphone out when there is no line out available, and some people say this is safe as long as you keep the gain level coming out of the headphone out, very low. Another thing that is generally not clearly understood is preamp level. I have heard contradictory things about whether preamp level is the same as line level, and how these compare to the level that typically comes out of guitar pedals.

  • @imediatv
    @imediatv 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    can i connect a line level output to a mic level device like my wireless mics live rode wireless PRO?

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ideally you should be using a DI for something like this. Most likely the line level signal will be too loud for the mic input.

    • @Mbee16
      @Mbee16 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can but gain should be set quite low as the signal can clip very easily. Generally I connect headphone out from a mixer to the Rode wireless pro ii and turn the gain down quite low as it can clip.

  • @ProckGnosis
    @ProckGnosis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When I was a poor college student YEARS ago, before I bought an amp that could distort, I would plug my electric guitar into the phono (record player) jacks on my home stereo system, and voila...nice distortion effect! And excellent presentation...thanks for the effort and for posting it...cheers!

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would do the same on my little dj mixer when i was in high school and I'd always assume that the channel was somehow faulty :D

  • @manikanthm7318
    @manikanthm7318 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is very helpful. Thanks a lot :)

  • @sankxhhg5
    @sankxhhg5 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    excellent video!

  • @tuneroneff
    @tuneroneff ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for shring for all of us. The don't have a very clear understanding.

  • @Prodcmarty
    @Prodcmarty ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is great info! Clean presentation🔥

  • @jamileslartey265
    @jamileslartey265 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Super helpful! Where would a headphone signal factor into this? Intuitively I would think they are on the spectrum between a high line-level signal and a low speaker voltage signal? Technically they are powering passive speakers... but people often use headphone outs and line outs interchangeably.

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Indeed! The base level for a headphone out should be line level and then you are amplifying it more to drive the headphones. The main difference between the outputs is impedance, since line out is meant to drive an amplifier whereas headphone out is meant to drive a little speaker.

  • @LastExceed
    @LastExceed หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the graph! What signal level do headphones use? judging by your responses to other comments it seems to somewhat overlap with the lower end of line level. does it have a name?

  • @geossphere
    @geossphere 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Phenomenal video quality, sound and presentation. Thank you!

  • @diiegopc
    @diiegopc ปีที่แล้ว +3

    and what about headphone inputs and outputs?

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Headphone outs are line level that can be amplified further with the headphone amp.

    • @tuneroneff
      @tuneroneff ปีที่แล้ว

      Headphone output!!!!!
      Is all ready amplified!!?????

  • @curtgozaydin922
    @curtgozaydin922 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the summary of line level and all the other signal levels. When I was younger with guitar amplifiers and such a microphones and PA systems, I used to know this backwards and forwards, but this is a great summary. The only thing I thought maybe just maybe you could’ve added was to talk about headphone output headphones levels are usually weird because I think they meant to drive a different impedance either I don’t know 100 homes or 600 homes or something so I forget any of the details of what a headphone output level is other than if you put the output of one of those into the input of your guitar amplifier. It usually distorted it like crazy. So “Great Video” but Just curious about “headphone level. 😊

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If Im not mistaken it should be line level on its lowest setting before the pre-amp kicks in

  • @michelebass5151
    @michelebass5151 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you!

  • @mflynn74
    @mflynn74 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thx for this video! I connect my guitar to an amp modeler (Helix) and use it in 1 of 3 ways: A) to an amp B) to a mixer C) to a powered FRFR speaker. When connecting to an amp I set the Helix out to 'instrument level' and when connecting to a mixer or FRFR I set the Helix output to 'line level'. Question 1: Is that correct? Question 2: In all 3 scenarios I am using a standard TS instrument cable. Does that matter?

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Correct! That is exactly what you should be doing :D
      If you were connecting to the mic-pre of the mixer you would need a DI (but since you're using a TS cable I assume you are connecting to the line ins).
      Also the only time you would need a TS speaker cable would be to go from a power amp to speakers (which you clearly aren't doing).
      So connection is correct and cable is correct :D

    • @mflynn74
      @mflynn74 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@arbitersofsound Thank you for the prompt & thorough reply. Much appreciated!

  • @14KiloWhisky
    @14KiloWhisky 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks very informative ✌️👍

  • @yoyoyuyu234476
    @yoyoyuyu234476 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    what level is a head phone connection? I would like to input my katana go headphone line into a mixer, but... thats not a good idea?

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can connect it to the line level of your mixer and keep the gain of the mixer channel to minimum and adjust the gain of the headphone amp accordingly. It shouldn't be a problem :D

  • @danm7596
    @danm7596 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great video. thanks

  • @Ant1drums
    @Ant1drums 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just found your channel, it's exactly what I needed! Really well made videos!
    Quick question: what level would an headphone output on an iPad be? I'm basically trying to record songs played from my iPad on my computer (as backing track, I record myself playing drums at the same time). I connected the headphone output to a pre amp, and the pre amp to the line level of my audio interface. Is that safe? Is there a better option? I can't crank up the volume on the iPad as I also connect my IEM to it to hear the backing track while I play.Thanks! :)

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The headphone output should be line level already so you can connect directly to your interface. The only problem being that the output of the ipad is stereo so you're going to need a Y cable to split it into 2 separate channels to connect to 2 inputs on your interface :D

  • @invictus7964
    @invictus7964 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where does an iPhone output fall? I have plugged it into a 'LINE IN' port on various devices, but it also drives head phone speakers. I am currently wanting to plug my iPhone into the line in port of a mobile ham radio, and the volume is very low.

  • @wojciechstecyszyn6040
    @wojciechstecyszyn6040 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice, very informative, thank you. Can you help me with this one: I want to buy an interface (Arturia Minifuse 4) that (except 2 combo inputs) has two 1/4" TRS balanced line inputs on the back and I wonder if I can connect my passive guitar or bass to it and have a decent input signal. Will Di-Box help here? Passive or active? Or maybe my guitar amp or ZOOM multiefect pedal work fine as a preamp? Thanks for help in advance.

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You can obviously connect passive instruments to the combo inputs (since that's where the preamps are), but if you want to connect them to the line inputs at the back you need an instrument preamp. That most likely can be a line output from your amp or your pedal indeed. It can't be a DI box, because although that will fix the impedance of your signal, it won't provide the gain you need for a passive guitar/bass to hit the line level inputs. Hope this helps :D Let me know if you need more help!

  • @steveohlssen5508
    @steveohlssen5508 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very informative, thank you, but my question is:
    I have a guitar headphone amp (Boss Katana Go) with headphone output. I love the tones, can I use it at a live bar/open mic? This would require connecting it to a mixer. I assume I can easily do this if they have an aux in. However, how could I connect to one of the standard line inputs? (In case their mixer doesn’t have aux in)

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It is not ideal but you could use the headphone out,
      just make sure you start with the volume very low and raise it until the line in on the console gets a good loud signal.
      Also, your headphone output is mini-jack stereo unbalanced.
      So to go into a mixer you need to split that into two separate mono jack cables. For that you need a stereo mini-jack to 2X mono jack Y-cable (should cost less than 10$/pounds/euro).

  • @horacio_llegolamiel3758
    @horacio_llegolamiel3758 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, many thanks. Although in Instrument level (1:35) you say the cables to use are UNBALANCED TS, in Speaker level chapter (3:34) you say “commonly use mono UNBALANCED TS”, but you also say “ALWAYS use a SPEAKER cable, NEVER use an INSTR. cable”… Is this not contradictory? Which one is right? This also brings me another question.. how do you distinguish a BALANCED from an UNBALANCED TS cable?? Thanks!

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So, a TS cable is always unbalanced (you need three wires for balanced, so XLR or TRS). As for Instrument cables vs speaker cables, on the outside they look identical, but the wires in a speaker cable are of heavier gauge to handle the extra power from a power amp. Hope this helps :D

    • @horacio_llegolamiel3758
      @horacio_llegolamiel3758 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@arbitersofsound ok, that makes sense :) thanks!!

  • @mrwhitemantv
    @mrwhitemantv ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! Can I connect headphone out to line in?

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes you can, but you should keep the volume low and also note that headphone out is stereo, idk what kind of line in you want to connect it to :D

    • @mrwhitemantv
      @mrwhitemantv ปีที่แล้ว

      @@arbitersofsound well I have Korg Volca Keys that only has headphones out. I need to sample it somehow. In principle it is mono but outputs two identical channels via the 1/8 inch headphone out. So I can use a 1/8 to 1/4 cable and plug it into a1/4 line input of an audio interface, or a 1/8 to rca cable and connect to rca stereo input

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mrwhitemantv 100% Thats what ive done with my volca as well :D

  • @sergio_slzar
    @sergio_slzar 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi, I just got a microphone like a dynamic one but it uses TR jack output? Can it be used ?

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah of course! But if you want to connect it to an audio interface / mic pre then usually the jack input is for line level signals and the xlr for mic level signals. So in that situation you'd need an adapter/cable to convert the jack output of your mic to xlr unfortunately.

  • @Zzibbubby
    @Zzibbubby 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have a question: I have a yamaha ex5 (quite an old keyboard) and I would like to connect it to an audio interface (behringer umc204hd) to use the Ex5's sounds (both mono and stereo possibly) on my DAW. should I use TS or TRS cables?

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Either should be fine. I checked the ex5 manual and it doesn't specify if the outputs are balanced or not (but based on the release date, I'd guess they are, so in that case TRS is the balanced one).
      But in any case, if you already have TS cables lying around, just use them and as long as there's no noise issues you should be good!

    • @Zzibbubby
      @Zzibbubby 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@arbitersofsound Thank you very much for the comprehensive answer and for replying to me in such a short time! Much appreciated!👌🏻

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Zzibbubby Happy to help!😄

  • @saigonpilots7063
    @saigonpilots7063 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi there, thanks for the great presentation. I connected my digital piano Yamaha DGX660 left/left+right output to the DI/instrument input of the preamp Focusrite ISA One. They seemed and worked fine. Nothing blew up, I did not hear any distortion or weird noise etc. Did I potentially damage the DI/Instrument input of the ISA One? I now use the DI/Instrument input of the ISA One for my Fender bass and it seemed fine, produced good sound. Thanks!

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey! No, you didn't damage anything and everything is going to be ok :D
      Most likely, if you keep your keyboard volume low and the preamp level also low you can get a usable signal. But, you should ideally be using the line input for keyboards and the Instrument for bass and guitars.

    • @saigonpilots7063
      @saigonpilots7063 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@arbitersofsound Thank you very much for your confirmation. So I should not send it back LOL

  • @gehadqaki
    @gehadqaki 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Phenomenal video, thanks

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! Much appreciated

  • @NiamorH
    @NiamorH 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Which vintage keyboards and synths do you have in mind that use instrument level with high Z ?
    From what I have seen, all of the virtual analog from 90's are using line level and I don't think any have high Z (although 90's synths are more on the modern side of vintage).
    Maybe I am misleading though?

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah probably I'm too old :D because when I was saying vintage I was thinking more along the lines of 60s rhodes, wurlitzers and the like.
      I would expect all 90s digital gear to be line level

  • @mylogify
    @mylogify หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi, thanks for the video. My amp has XLR Balanced IR output, I am connecting it to my interface(Babyface) via XLR Output(mic.) output. I am not sure if I should crank up the input level on my interface or keep it at lowest in order to not have any distortion on my sound. But when I do it like that I'd need to crank up my amps Master to the highest level. Do you think I should find a sweet spot and just turn up the mic input gain just a bit also on my interface, do you think it will be %100 clean, as long as it's not clipping? Cheers!

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      As long as you signal is not clipping on the way out of the amp, and your input levels on your interface are also not in the red then you are good with distortion, so you shouldn't really worry about that.
      Your main problem here would be noise rather than distortion.
      Now in order to decide what level you want to raise, you need to listen to which of the two amps gives you the most noise when you start cranking up the gain. Most likely it would be better practice to push the master of the amp and not crank up the gain on your interface. If raising the master of your amp too much is a problem for you (maybe because your amp is connected to a cab and it gets too loud?) then as you said find a level with your master that is comfortable to work with and compensate for the rest with gain on your interface pres. Just listen to the sound in your computer and make sure that you are not introducing too much noise or hiss to the recording. Hope this helps :D

    • @mylogify
      @mylogify หลายเดือนก่อน

      @arbitersofsound Thanks for your help! I have np problem for the cab, I can completely turn off the amp, and still use the IR output, very nice amp has also 1 watt 5 watt and 20 watt option, and all sounds good, not needing any attenuator. Cheers! wish you success on your channel, it's going well.

  • @jankowalsky3931
    @jankowalsky3931 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any chance to get connection between Numark Mixtrack Platinum FX and the Arturia microfreak? 😢

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The only way I can think would be to plug the Microfreak into the mic input of the Numark.
      But in order to do that you will need to connect the Microfreak to a DI first (probably also with a pad switch) and then the DI to the Numark. Does that help at all...?

    • @jankowalsky3931
      @jankowalsky3931 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@arbitersofsound yes if you are able to explain me what's DI and how thats gonna be worked out together
      Please

    • @jankowalsky3931
      @jankowalsky3931 ปีที่แล้ว

      and ABOUT pad switch? 0 😱

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So, the output of your synth is Line Level, but the input on the Numark is Mic Level. If you just connect them probably you're going to get distortion because the output of the synth is too loud for the mic input (you can try it). If it sounds noisy and distorted, you need to get yourself a simple small passive DI box, which converts Line Level signals to Mic Level signals. (something as simple as this: www.thomann.de/gb/millenium_pocket_di_1.htm). This is passive and doesn't need any power to work. The pad switch is a little switch on the DI that drops the volume so you can connect the two devices without overloading the mic input on the Numark. Let me know if you need more help!@@jankowalsky3931

    • @jankowalsky3931
      @jankowalsky3931 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@arbitersofsound all done
      But still not enough for me ^^ but all of your infois are good and works too

  • @jnvc9121
    @jnvc9121 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do I need a DI if I use multi effects pedal with amp and cab sim to connect to line in on a mixer? Home practice only

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, most likely the amp sim has a line out and you are connecting to a line in, so you're good :D

  • @andreevithgg8885
    @andreevithgg8885 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have hi z input on my electro classic guitar, can i plug in my guitar directly through the cable in to the line input on my PC ?

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Does your guitar have a built-in preamp (with battery etc)?
      If it does then you can (although the line input on your PC might be much noisier than an input on an external audio interface).
      If your guitar only has an output jack without a preamp, then you can't, because the level of the output will be way too low and the impedance too high.

  • @Rick_Dunaway
    @Rick_Dunaway 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    do you or anyone here in the comments know of a device that will take a single audio input using RCA connection "say from my desktop computer" and have 8 amplified outputs with level control? I'm would be using it to send the same audio signal to multiple separate devices which have there own amplification which power a set of speakers. Imagine having 4 different A/V receivers that power 4 different types of speaker pairs along with 4 different individual self powered speaker units. I need them all to play the same thing simultaneously while having the ability to send one device a more powerful signal to make up for the distance it is away from the source and/or the devices needed a higher input voltage for whatever reason. thanks Rick D.

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This might sound a bit ghetto, but I believe a multi-channel headphone amp will do do what you want. (this for example: www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_ha8000_v2.htm)
      Since these operate around line level, with some careful gainstaging you should be ok. Then all you need is the correct cables / adapters to go from your pc to the amp and ultimately to your other amps.
      Does this help at all? Or is there something I don't understand in your setup?

  • @wisteela
    @wisteela 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent video. Subscribed. Now to check out your Hi-Z video.

  • @canalmeu8865
    @canalmeu8865 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    And auxiliar connections?

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Aux connections are line level

    • @canalmeu8865
      @canalmeu8865 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@arbitersofsound thanks

  • @qcgarcia
    @qcgarcia ปีที่แล้ว

    mic level + 20 dB = instrument level (nominal)?

  • @AsiAzzy
    @AsiAzzy ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice info. I have an electric guitar, a phono turntable, an electroacoustic guitar, various midi keyboard and electric piano. Now i'm not into a band or anything.. i just in the learning phase.
    So my question is: the electoacoustic guitar and electric guitar are the same? I have a dedicated speaker-amp cube for the electric guitar. Can i use that on the electroacoustic guitar?
    Also i have an old hi-fi amp with phono input where the turntable is plugged in. Can i plug the electric guitar there?

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can most likely use your acoustic on your guitar amp. Check and see if you like that kinda of sound.
      On the other hand don't try your phono input, you'll get a super distorted sound from that...

  • @vaclavzeleny5717
    @vaclavzeleny5717 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is max voltage, isn't it? It looks like most of them have voltage bias.

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s their approximate voltage ranges. You’re right that especially with mics and instruments they will tend to be on the lower end of the scale. But super powerful power amps could easily be outside the right end of the scale :D

    • @vaclavzeleny5717
      @vaclavzeleny5717 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@arbitersofsound
      That means, for example, that a voltage of around 90 mV is considered silent for instruments?

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, i think vintage style single coil pickups on guitar should be around 100mV. Hotter humbuckers are around 400mV. Obviously the output will depend on the notes and the strength of your playing etc

  • @CloudxOut
    @CloudxOut 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I don't get it. wish there was an actual diagram of setups and what cables to work with. I am so confused because its too much spoken words.

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What's the setup you are dealing with? Maybe we can help :D

    • @CloudxOut
      @CloudxOut 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@arbitersofsound Thanks for reaching out. My new band has a practice room and we've connected two guitars, one bass guitar and a mic to a two big speaker through a mixer. The sound is very compressed as in its rly not clear and the mic sounds low most of the times. we are too poor to get an actual good guitar amps so..... I am afraid to crank the volume up of mic cuz i am scared of breaking the speaker so, i never let the signal bar of the mixer to reach the red dot but sometimes its inevitable. I mean just in general i would like to know more about the cables and set ups for future. Also, I browsed through your channel last night and i really appreciate your videos.

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@CloudxOut OK! So the first problem is that you are trying to connect instrument level signals (guitars/bass) to a mixer that most likely has mic and line inputs. In order to do that properly you'd need a DI-box (or guitar and bass preamplifiers).
      Also the sound of electric guitar plugged directly into the mixer is not really what we are used to listening. It's not necessarily a "bad" sound but usually you'd expect some coloration from your guitar amp and your guitar speaker cabinet.
      Tbh I'd probably consider getting some basic amp modelling pre for guitar because I think that will solve most of your problems and you could connect that directly to your mixer.
      As for the mic, I don't think you'll blow the speakers unless you're really abusing the gain.
      Do you know if your speakers are active? Or are you using a PA amplifier? Or is your mixer powered?
      Anyway, if you want you can message me on Discord and I can help you with your setup, cables etc :D

    • @Cr0zzAlpha
      @Cr0zzAlpha หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@arbitersofsoundsame though here.. i got a trolley speaker with one input for mic and one input for guitar, still figuring out how they are different, its quieter in guitar input than in mic input using microphone if it is a resistor or stepdown watt converter for the signal like DI boxes or whatever..i was planning to do a diy hifi speaker like my trolley speaker with byilt in amp.. just cant fine the righd ingredients makin an instrument input..i might just buy finished product for the guitar input module circuit board,still i wanna learn.hehe.

  • @cocobunitacobuni8738
    @cocobunitacobuni8738 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So complicated (to an AV ignoramus).

    • @arbitersofsound
      @arbitersofsound  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do you need help with anything specific?