The Design Flaw That Caused The Starship Launchpad to Fail!
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In this episode we will be reviewing the historic Starship Integrated Flight Test. This will be an extremely in depth look into the design flaw that caused the failure of the pad under the Orbital Launch Mount.
We will also explain the water cooled blast surface that SpaceX is in the process of installing and examine all of the other protective measures that will work together to enable rapid reusability in the future.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
5:16 Raptor Chill Collection
9:06 Squarespace Ad Placement
10:09 Hold Down Clamps Released Early
11:37 Detonation Suppression System
13:07 Acoustic Energy Concerns
14:52 Blast Surface Failure Analysis
17:06 Analyzing OLM Base Structure Design Flaw
24:23 Elon Comments About Failure Mechanics
25:37 Explaining Sand Compression Issue
27:47 Water Cooled Blast Surface Upgrade
33:54 Hold Down Clamp Shielding
36:07 Raptor Quick Disconnect Shielding
38:44 Hold Down Clamp Retract Test feat. Labpadre
39:40 Booster QD Shielding
41:21 Interior Burn Plates
43:49 OLM Top Deck Burn Plates
50:36 Post Liftoff Performance Analysis
Music Credits:
0:04 • Journey to Mars
2:42 Intro music "Do You Remember" prod. by kochetkovv • Do you remember?
5:14 • Video
9:08 • Video
10:35 • Video
14:51 • Video
17:04 • Video
18:18 • Timelapsed Tides
23:04 • A Hand In The Dark
25:35 • Aurora Currents
27:45 “Shooting Star” VOTRB
30:17 • Video
33:48 • A Great Darkness Appro...
36:07 • Deep Chase
39:39 • Percolate
41:21 • Video
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46:12 • Perihelion
48:54 • Aurora Currents
51:33 • Commander Impulse
54:16 • Video
59:14 • Video
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The internet does not deserve the level of detail CSI Starbase and friends provide. This is the best source for information about starship.
Anxiously awaiting this debrief, I regard these shows as most educational and are highly valued. Thanks to Zack and the CSI team of “agents”. Kudos!
10,000,000 lb lifted with 16,000,000 lb of thrust (success, World Record in fact). The rocket plumes are longer than the rocket. Should consider raising or digging for more ground clearance.
Rocket fuel consist of oxidizer, a lot of rust forth coming. Steel plates are not necessarily expensive, but will need to be replaced over time. Continually added expenses.
Failed to reach orbit. Far from complete success.
Indeed ' the only other sound recording that sounds anything like this is Saturn V, given we do not have very good recordings of the N1 or the Buran, the other two comparable rockets
This dude deserves WAY MORE SUBSCRIBERS!!!! 🙄 Elon needs to agree to an interview to boost his visibility. Not to mention it would be jam packed full of so much insightful questions and nerdy, technical awesomeness. Please Universe, allow this.
this guy is a serious engineer and so Elon will surely have a thing or two for improvement tip
If I were Elon or Gwynne I would hire Zack just for his uncanny ability to spot random items and connect the dots. An engineer like that is always good to have.
I dunno, I'm (very selfishly) worried that if he gets too visible SpaceX will poach him, putting an end to all this great content. ;-)
@@scottie_2024 Yes, that is being selfish. I love his content but hope he has a better future - he deserves it.
Maybe he can be the host of the next twitter spaces? That'd be cool
This answered so many questions that have been burning in my head since the launch. CSI Starbase team is legendary, I'm so thankful for y'all.
Agreed!
Considering the damage to the OLM this was the most anticipated report since the launch. Thanks again for your usual outstanding and complete analysis of the event.
I really appreciated the custom countdown for the premiere. CSI Starbase is truly in a league of it's own
I wish it was a custom countdown. I haven’t quite figured out how to insert my own yet. Doesn’t seem to be an option
Zack, that was sooo good. Pulled together elements into a really well structured deep dive. I can't thank you and your crew enough!
Annnnd he was wrong. SpaceX shut the first 3 engines off before launching on purpose, and something else caused the rocket to rise on angle.
@@Chris_Harris That "something else" is those 3 dead engines
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Nooo, no it's not. If people would take the time to listen to what Elon and his team have said, they'd know that they decided to shut the 3 off knowing that they wouldn't affect the rocket one bit. They quite literally said that, which makes an hour-long "explanation" WRONG because it's the first bit of information is an ASSUMPTION that three engines "failed," so it caused the rocket to go out of control. Elon was very clear in saying WEEKS ago that the first three missing engines on the Engine-Cam were shut off before they even lit the rocket because they were not running properly AND they were not needed for the rocket to do its job perfectly.
If we take Zack's assumption out of the mix, this video is completely different because those engines did not fail nor did they cause the rocket to fly sideways. Every thing after an assumption is corrupted data/an assumption too, when you make a video that follows a linear line.
Example 1.> Car 2 crashes into the back of car 1. We assume the brakes on car 2 must have failed because someone heard a screeching sound. Someone dies in car 1. We assume driver of car 2 is innocent because their brakes failed.
Alternative and the real truth> Car crashes into the back of another car. Option 1>Brakes didn't fail, driver of car 2 was speeding so they slid into car 1. Option 2> Driver of car 2 was looking at their cellphone and didn't see Car 1 until too late and after they hit the brakes.
The point to this long example is that nothing after a certain point means anything if any of the proceeding steps are wrong/assumptions. If everyone knows the person was on their cell phone, that person goes to jail for vehicular manslaughter. If everyone assumes that the brakes failed, an innocent person dies and a guilty person doesn't face justice.
So once Zack assumed 3 engines failed/that the rocket even needed those engines to fly, every single point after that on his timeline of reasons why the surface of the OLM was destroyed is wrong or corrupted. All because he assumed versus waiting for SpaceX to speak about why three engines were DOA.
@@Chris_Harris The computer would NOT shutted those engines down if it did run properly aka. not fail (because why the fuck it would??), and those three dead engines CAUSES the lean on liftoff (EXPLICIT from Elon). But it did NOT violate the launch commit criteria yes, which is why it...lifted off
Did you listened to the same Elon spaces as the rest of us?
"So the lean off the pad, was that intentional? Was it more than you thought it might be? Was it related to the engines out? And do you expect to do that on like future more operational launches?"
E: *"No, we're not. It WAS RELATED to the engines out, and we do not normally expect to lean.* It should be aspirationally going straight up."
Now show me the SpaceX/Elon words that completely counter the above, *word by word.* And reply it to me. Pretty please 🙄
Vocabulary lesson:
Running properly = not fail
Not running properly = fail
Both are NOT interchangeable
@@alvianchoiriapriliansyah9882 The computer said there were 3 engines SpaceX chose not to start. "The system didn't think they were healthy enough to launch with." -ELON Tweet
LOL I wonder why this keeps getting missed is confusing for people like you.
SpaceX turned them off. They didn't fail or go lean or shoot fairy dust. They just plain were never started. They were off before the end of the count down. They didn't WANT them on because they weren't nominal. Do you understand that point now? Spacex computer shut them off. Do I need to correct you again? They were never going to be on because spacex chose to keep them off knowing that only losing 9% of launch wouldn't affect the launch. The control of the rocket was at fault which was pretty obvious because BOTH ECM modules were so messed up that they eventually blew up and off the side of the rocket.
It's like your computer. If you don't push the power button? It doesn't turn on. This happened for three engines. Pushed the button and they didn't turn on. We good?
Incredible content, good sir. I can't believe this is all free to watch. What a time to be alive.
Zach, thank you for the very articulate and methodical analysis. - it was excellent using factual info. This comes from an aerospace engineer who troubleshoots on-orbit spacecraft as my day job.
This is one of those deep dives that engineering students will be watching for years as education and decades as historical material! Well frigging done Zack and crew!
Where is the link to the CSI STARSHIP merch??? A shirt with the engines out smiley dot face and CSI Starship on the left chest and a large image of the OLM on the back would be a hit!!!
What an incredible episode. As an ex-Rockedyne engineer I can say only one thing ... Complexity is the mother of all trouble. There has to be a better way to launch the vehicle.
Let's not forget the return trip back to Earth.
I really appreciate the moments of levity and genuine hilarity that your team injected into this video. It was the perfect balance of serious discussion and lighthearted humor.
Another amazing deep dive, Zack! It's always a HUGE pleasure to experience these. You've come a long way from those long twitter threads! I always leave the premiere with a ton more knowledge than I came to it with. Then I give you a few more views by rewatching them later on so I can fully absorb and understand everything you said. Keep these long deep dives coming. As long as you post, I'll always be here to watch it the second it goes live.
This is by far my favorite channel for GSE analysis and speculation.
I so totally prefer watching your analysis over most. Too many 'half glass empty' channels that don't actually do their homework.
Good job again man!
A lot of TH-cam content I just listen to at 1.5 speed while I drive. The problem with your content is I can’t do that! I absolutely have to find time when I can carefully watch each detail at true speed. Thanks so much for your work and perspective! Awesome stuff!
The way you chat with Tim is so hilarious 😂
I was eagerly awaiting this video since the launch! You did not disappoint! The coverage on the engine failure was very detailed and appreciated! Keep up the amazing work!
definetly the best one ive seen explaining thoroughly what was going on with the engine explosions and failures. Massive thumbs up!
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First thought after seeing pictures of the pad after launch was "holy crap, the next CSI Starbase video is going to be epic!" Did not disappoint!
The last time I was this excited for a premiere was The Batman 😂Great job dude!
Hour long video and you kept my attention for every second of it (not any easy task). Thanks for feeding our detail hungry brains in such a satisfying way. This is this is the Starship info we desperately crave and we truly appreciate the hard work that you and the team put in to make these deep dives possible!
Amazing, comprehensive, and well-supported second by second analysis of the launch sequence and how, and why, the OLM works the way it does. Thanks for all the hard work put into this amazing video.
this is so 100% the most underrated YT channel out there
Extraordinarily well done. Thanks, Zack!
Great job to you all at CSI Starbase
As always, I can't get enough of this great, detailed content. Thanks again for sharing.
The volume of detail put in this video is just mindboggling.
I’m in constant awe of how rapid SpaceX ingenuity is and how much the community and channel are able to follow and analyze!
Amazing content thank you!
Excellent, the hard work you and your team have put in is evident. Packed with insights that are a great help in understanding just how much amazing engineering is going on here. Keep it coming!
This is good, really good! I see your dedication & passion you put into these videos.
Kudos. Admitting being wrong about something these days makes you a winner in my book! Good job!
Amazing episode! Thank you for all the hard work you put into this!
guys, having reached the top level of quality, where do you intend to go from now on? 😉 thx a lot to all of your contributors! besides that I have to admit I've become kind of a Zack fanboy lol. wherever you appear, you radiate calm, competence and seriousness in a humble and down2earth manner. respect!
Thank you!
The only post launch analysis I care to see
It's pretty awesome.
I don't know how I feel about the showerhead. I don't see how that could work. Great video! Can't wait for more!
I can think of one reason to try and fly Starship after Superheavy FTS has been commanded. Even if Starship could not reach orbit, it could demo launch escape and a future capability for return to land.
Not that I don't want StarShip to fly, but if an FTS has been commanded to terminate its flight it should not then be able to change its mind and ignite its engines anyway. This should be like one of Asimov's robot laws, unable to override.
Hey Zac. Been waiting impatiently for your detailed analysis! CSI the Heck out of this one!
Great show as always I love the detail you go into on these deep dive videos.
What I like about Zack's speaking style and editing, is that there are natural pauses between sentences.
A lot of TH-camrs edit them out, or use a more frantic way of speaking. With Zack it is easy to listen.
Also no background rhythmic sounds while he speaks. This way we can concentrate on the content..
If in all of this mayhem the vacuum engines managed to start up, the thing is even more insane than even I imagined. Thanks for pressing on!
I discovered this channel quite recentely from a french youtuber I follow, and as many here have already said, this channel deserves way more suscribers.
The investigations are very thorough, and even though english is not my native tongue and the topic is very specific, the explanations are crystal clear.
So a huge thank you for your job !
Thank you! The goal for us is to start with images and video and then write the script based on the images. That way everything we are talking about is happening on the screen the moment we talk about it. I figure that helps because a lot of TH-cam channels (not just the spaceflight related ones) are often talking about something that has nothing to do with what’s happening on screen. Or I guess the image on screen has nothing to do with what they are talking about 🤣. There is actually a difference between those two statements. But thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed it.
We have considered keeping a staff to create accurate translations for the subtitles but as far as I can tell, as long as I create my own English subtitles (instead of letting TH-cam do it) the auto translations into other languages seems to work a bit better.
I’m guessing you are talking about Starbase FR? He’s part of the CSI team of field agents.
@@CSIStarbase You're welcome, it's well deserved.
I just checked the auto-translated french subtitles and they are indeed pretty accurate. I myself don't use them but I use the english ones, so the fact that you take time to create them is also very appreciated. First because even if I feel fluent enough in english, of course sometimes I still mishear a word ; and second because it allows to pause the video and still have the commentaries about the frame, so as you said having the script and the images related and synched help a lot, for many reasons.
As for the french youtuber, it is indeed StarbaseFR ! I didn't know he was part of the team of field agents, it's nice to hear ! I've also heard about your channel once or twice from HugoLisoir, a quite big french space related chanel 😉
Anyway, thanks again and keep up the good work !
Thank you sir! 🚀 💥
My number 1 spot for Stage 0 news!
Zack, the word thorough doesn't even begin to cut it. Well done, I feel like I almost work there due to you.
As and architect it really triggers my OCD to see the original pilings with not only a single piece of rebar in the center but having those pilings not be tied into the rebar mat for the slab above. And even more that rebar mat needs to have extra rebar laid between and connecting all pilings so it creates a grid of grade beams built within the slab. That way you aren't relying on the soil compression being adequate for the entire system to not fail. The grade beams with internal rebar connecting and tying into the pilings will create a whole system that can support the load by itself without the need for perfectly compacted grade. If they are going to rely on grade compaction then they need to compact it in small lifts to where it can withstand the distributed 16 million pounds. They clearly didn't do this.
Edit: It was mentioned that the water table impedes certain times which is even more reason to build a system that doesn't rely on soil bearing at all.
Nice video. Just want to point out though that Starship (and F9) uses AFTS, the A meaning automonous. There was no manual command from the ground to trigger FTS.
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this is the most detailed video about the flight test I have ever seen on youtube,excellent analyze, SpaceX team need to work with you guy asap
Has it already been that long. Feels like last week. Time flies.
Incredible analysis. Always on the edge of my seat watching these deep dives. Keep up the great work.
Thanks for you and your team’s analysis and amazing renderings! An excellent breakdown of events and send my regards to everyone involved in this video project. It was well worth the wait!!!!
The Absolute DEFINITIVE deepdive on the historic Flight Test 1 of Starship/Superheavy. Well done (again) Zac. But as you mention in the first part regarding the SpaceX webcast quality, well done SpaceX for having the absolute audacity to conduct cutting-edge super heavy orbital class rocket development in front of the whole world. Sure there are bits and pieces of secret-sauce things going on, but for the most part, they are unabashedly PROUD to show off their chops. And that is why we love them.
It's also a big part of why we turn to expert content creators (hoping) for this kind of content, it's the engineering side of the whole thing that really turns on everyone that has learned what they can from folk like Tim Dodd, and are ready to learn more.
Kudos to you for helping make that possible.
I've been waiting for the "Raptor chill collection" explanation. Finally!! Thx!
Yeah I had to pick a good time to circle back on that topic.
Zack's love for Stage Zero is unmatched lol
Extremely well done! In depth and honest. Thank you!
The raptors sounded like they were in a constant state of "SONIC BOOM!!!" AWESOME!!!
Amazing Results you've all made. Great Rendering & Photos. Blessings
I'd characterize it as the most anticipated rocket launch of any Era Ever.
The Apollo/Saturn missions were broadcast live on all the national news stations. The whole nation stopped to watch. I grew up during that time. I don't see much SpaceX coverage on the news and my friends don't know much about Starship.
@@59seank I remember it, way back, before the internet, going to the Moon is Always big, no matter what Era, I saw the Moon landings, but Starship is going to Mars, that's way bigger and more exciting, nowadays you have to set your notifications to see the attempts, there are major launches weekly now, it's an exciting time for Space now.
@@Richard-cq4kv Starship will definitely be more significant of a vehicle due to its long-term applications, however I would say step change from nothing to Man on Moon is greater than that to Mars, as its the first time we walked on another world. Although I am sure the first human Mars mission will be broadcast on all TV
Your videos about Starship are amazing and truly the best! Please keep them coming, much respect!!!
Glad you took the time to make this video. Well done!
I'm a follower of Spacex. I have only just discovered this TH-cam channel. This is the most professional organisation I have ever seen. The Presenter and the data being explored is mind-boggling. We done guys, this now my favourite Spacex channel. As one commenter said "It deserves more subscribers".
Thank you! Much appreciated
Exceptionally detailed and informative - thank you and your team! I knew the OLM was an incredible piece of engineering but it keeps getting more and more impressive the more you showcase all the work that went into it.
Here for this!! been waiting. I was busy for the premire, but I am here for this!
Thank you so much for your very indepth investigation of the ground system failures during the launch of the BFR. Nobody else has done such a detailed analisys before. I'm an instant fan of your's.
OK, you win. The deep dives are better than a Parts I, II and III version.
Man, your work and that of your crew is just outstanding. It was one of the most interesting videos I've seen in a long time.
Thank you!
Your channel is one of the rare ones where I activated notifications. Good job, keep it up!
It is amazing how it held up under those aerodynamic loads. It shows how strong it really is.
This channel provides so much intriguing context and education and I’m very appreciative of it. I love nerding out on all of the details of a process or a mechanical creation and Zach and crew definitely deliver on that front. I will never need to know this stuff but I’m glad that I do. Thank you!
Massive thank you Zack and the CSI team. Love the deep dives.
Another masterclass of analysis and explanation. Best TH-cam channel for SpaceX, bar none.
My understanding has increased. I am thankful. 😉
Superb deep dive- best analysis I've seen so far
great job! I love the detailed and smart analysis.
Lo and behold, the Golden hour!
52:53 You say that it should not affect stage separation. What I felt, when I noticed the vehicle lifted of at a slight angle, and the consequent loss of further engines; This could easily create a warp in the entire booster structure, effectively locking the booster and starship together preventing stage separation.
Thank you for this 'Stage zero for dummies' and all the work that went into the coverage of this first launch of Starship.
+1 well deserved sub (Y)
Just considering what information you have gleamed from videos and sources, I think this was an even bigger success for SpaceX. Considering all the information they are sitting on, I think SpaceX has most of all the information they need to further iterate on both S0 and S1. Knowing how SpaceX operate, they are masters of learning from mistakes, almost to the degree, failures can be called successes.
I am very much looking forward to the next launch attempt.
Zack’s CSI reports are the best. I wait for each one in with great anticipation, and he never disappoints. Thank you Zack and team.
Best analysis ever
Thanks! I was disappointed in your initial pessimism on Twitter and am glad to see you acknowledge that. I love your videos though and the in-depth explanations and analysis.
Most SpaceX reporters make long videos boring, you go into detail but remain engaging. Plus no clumsy segways into ads. Nice! Subbed!
Insane detailed analysis❤ horatio would be proud
Well done thanks
This is the second video I have watched from your channel. The detail you are chasing is awesome.
Whoever did the backing music is a master. Perfect selection. Great video
Yeah Geoff is an audio engineer before he is a video editor lol. All the video editing is new skills for him.
I was waiting for this video to drop....and the dude didn't disappoint! As usual, great and detailed analysis. Thanks for the diligence.
These 3d visuals are incredible. Great analysis!
Couldn't be better!❤
i finally found a starship channel that dont suck up but give real info so us fans of space travel can still get happys ....thanks from oxford UK mate
What an amazing video. 48k views in 1 day. This channel is blowing up and for good reason. Thanks again. QUALITY UNMATCHED
Amazing production work on this video
This is absolutely incredible, thank you!
I think this vid covers EVERYTHING and the infographics are phenomenal.
A magnificently detailed technical presentation! This is your best video to date, and they’ve all been superb.
Amazing Debriefing! liked and subscribed❤
Great update as always Zack!! Thanks CSI team.
Excellent recap, great work. From our computer screens it's difficult to imagine the scale and power of this machine. Even more difficult to imagine is an unconventional launch mount that can with withstand that much energy. Space X, given data will fix it.
Dude, one of your greatest. Truly superior ongoing analysis in the SpaceX ecosystem.
The channel is a reference source of Starbase knowledge, in a league of its own.
You've taught all of us so much over the course of the orbital test campaign! Thank you for all the hard work, Zack!
Thanks
Thank you!!
truly awesome analysis, but i have some things to ask;
quoting insprucker at 10:20, he says that ''the booster hold downs have been unlatched, they'll be ready to retract at liftoff.''- could it be that ''unlatching'' the hold downs is some sort of safety pin being removed, whereas ''retracting'' refers to the booster actually being set free by the hold downs? that way what he would be saying is closer to how you'd expect the system to work.
at 21:58 you say that the exhaust gases have a speed of mach 3, but i think that should actually be around mach 10, since the exhaust velocity is about 3.2 km/s.
you say the fts was manually commanded from the ground (55:45), but if i remember a recent scott manley video correctly, autonomous flight termination systems (afts) have become mandatory, so there would actually be no way of triggering this from the ground. or am i missing something here?
also, i wonder why it would make sense to have 20 raptor qds instead of just integrating all that plumbing into the rocket and the booster qd. sure, there is some decrease in mass and decrease of complexity of the booster to be gained, but i wonder if that is really worth the increased complexity of the launch mount. (at any rate though, it makes the launch mount be more awesome, so that's cool)
edit, i wasn't able to find the link to spacerhino in the description, but i really appreciate all the sources linked