Why SpaceX Could Be Forced To Abandon Starship Payloads Until 2024!
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SpaceX has been working extremely hard to prevent a complete structural failure of Ship 24's interstage and payload section during Max Q. In this episode we will investigate how this situation developed starting from the day SpaceX was forced to move on from Ship 20 and Booster 4.
This is intended to be an example of issues that can occur during the rapid iteration process when the manufacturing begins to outpace vehicle qualification testing.
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Most of the music is from the TH-cam Audio Library except:
SpaceX has been working extremely hard to prevent a complete structural failure of Ship 24's interstage and payload section during Max Q.
"Journey To Mars" By Heaxy Amuseio AB • Journey to Mars
"Do You Remember prod. by kochetkovv • Do you remember? "
“Beat from www.beatopia.com/ The Last Song Produced by Ghost"
Last but not least I want to give HUGE SHOUTOUT to the entire CSI Starbase team on discord. This dedicated team of 100+ agents with specialties ranging all across the board, has been crucial in getting the most accurate info for these episodes. Couldn't do it without yal!
0:00 Intro - SpaceX Biggest Fear
2:15 Part 1 Review
5:46 Sponsor Segment
7:29 How did we get here?
8:57 B7 - New Thrust Puck Testing
11:18 B7 - Downcomer Failure Analysis
14:25 S24 - Design Upgrades & Initial Testing
15:25 S24 - Pre-Press Failure Analysis
18:32 B7.1 - Structural Verification of Booster Aft Section
19:30 Booster Thrust Bearing Structure Analysis
20:21 B7.1 Special Can Crusher Configuration
22:45 B7.1 Partial Failure - Crushed!
23:23 S24 & B7 Testing Ramps UP
25:05 Autogenous Pressurization Summary
26:05 S25 & B7 Testing Continued
26:40 B7.1 Returns from Repairs
27:40 Importance Of Spin Prime Testing
28:28 B7 Static Fire Campaign Ramps UP
29:05 E-Dome Test Tank Analysis + S25 Testing
31:58 S25 - Testing Begins
32:20 B7 Static Fire Campaign Cont.
33:40 S24 - Payload Bay Structural Issues
40:15 S24 - Temp Solution To Payload Bay Issues
46:10 New Modifications - Payload Door
48:34 S24 - Aft Section/Interstage Structural Issues
52:00 S26.1 Testing New Modifications To Ship Aft Section
58:01 How did this happen?
1:00:00 B6.1 - Structural Qualification of Booster Interstage
1:01:30 NC31 - Remaining Structural Verification Prior To Launch
1:03:00 Final Thoughts and Outro - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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@@edzuris7944 i totally agree. he is awesome and i don't understand why such low subscription count. the man is amazing. Push his reach
What an amazingly well orchestrated time contraction of a very long and seemingly disjointed array of seemingly unrelated actions. Thanks for bringing at all together in true CSI style!
Thank you!!
Better engineering descriptions on this channel than on any others covering SpaceX.
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Absolutely.
I can't understand why he doesn't have over 100,000 subs, a milestone to get more support from TH-cam.
@@johnbosley4988 Because his videos are an hour long and he posts them once a month.
As someone who loves the content here, every video request me to set aside time to properly watch and absorb it. And it isn't just something I can do while falling asleep.
Compare this to something like Matt Lowne or Marcus House that produce digestible 15 min vids I can usually play alt-tabbed anytime.
Sad to see some of these things… seems like spacex might have gone too fancy, why have the downpipe come through the other tank… seems an unnecessary complication at this point
@@Dawho99 Unless the temp. inside the tank is required for the downpipe, just a thought. Tell me Alexander, do you think corrugating the whole sleeve for B7.1 would be stronger, and possibly save a little weight ?
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The insights you've managed to tease out are phenomenal. I'm blown away, good work.
I'm actually shocked he's not closer to everyday astronauts subscriber count
@@Jetfast619 Give them time.
Sir, ....even though I watch Starbase each day, the mechanical problems included by yourself including the remediation is astonishing, by Spacex certainly but also including yourself... I am totally stunned !! Your skill set and knowledge blow my mind as to the level of intensity by Spacex as well as all things I learn from you Sir !! I thank you so much Zack, your knowledge as well your abilities to educate the lay person is so very welcome. I thank you Sir !! Zack on Zack !! We love it... and all channel watchers need to make sure to watch and Study C.S.I. !!
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Thank you! That means a lot!
i totally agree. he is awesome and i don't understand why such low subscription count. the man is amazing. Push his reach. better than NasaSpaceFlight
@@CSIStarbase Have you made Mr. Musk aware of your efforts, once he sees a few he may approach you for employment, engineering knowledge is one thing, but to present it logically so anyone interested can absorb the content willingly is of great value to an organisation that can only go up and up. Putting together employee movie nights for training and safety are always a sound investment, with your easy-to-follow explanations and the occasional dash of humour you will become a valued employee.
@@krashdown5814 - But if he was to do that, he wouldn't have time to make any more of these incredibly informative videos.
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Looking forward to this one!
Hi Jesus
Oh wow. You are pretty early this time! Always get excited to see comments from you lol
JESUS CHRIST IT'S JESUS CHRIST
Amen!
You listen to primus?
Absolutely stunning how you manage to oversee such a long period of (seemingly) disjointed events, often from the smallest of details, turn it into a single narrative and then present it in a beautiful and as easy as possible to understand manner. I know you bring together the work of many people, so you stand on the shoulders of giants. But damn, you manage to make the stack mighty tall! Thank you so much and the same to everyone who’s work make this possible.
THank you! That was our goal with this one. Its awesome when people recognize how hard it was to do that
It's amazing to think that SpaceX moves through this testing is rapidly as they do. There's so much more involved in it than I realized. Thanks for the great work Zack.!
How many years do it have to take before we stop calling Starship development rapid?
Really, really excellent work Zack! I appreciate all the detail, research and critical observations. You know, SpaceX themselves might want to hire you to directly test and verify their systems and designs. Again, great job!
Thank you! I appreciate that. Idk if I could work there though. At this point I would feel horrible for leaving my audience behind.
@@CSIStarbase it would be a huge loss for us, but a huge gain for you. You could be part of making history. If I were younger, I would go work for SpaceX
@@CSIStarbase I hope you get the chance to consider an offer, but of course Is miss your great content! Fir the record, I think SpaceX would gain a lot from your enthusiasm and experience.
You guys know that when @CSIStarbase uploads a video about Stage Zero and/or Starship, you know it will be exciting.
Fantastic work, Zach! Your engineering skills reveal how much plain work is taking place at Boca Chica.
Thanks Jim!
The level of detail in this was phenomenal guys, massively underrated channel.
Still 6 minutes until it's live, and I already know it's gonna be a banger. I always leave the video smarter than I entered. Struggling to wait to see what this one entails.
I watch A LOT of space and SpaceX related videos. This is the channel I come to to make sure I haven't missed anything. This utuber is consistently fantastic at what he does. Kudos and Thank You!
Can’t wait for this. Already know this is going to be amazing- I was so excited after the last part ended to see this one, and it’s finally happening!!
You’ve really earned your channel’s name of CSI. You’re able to bring in information from different sources and analyse them all to come up with a clear, combined picture. Well done!
Banger, as usual. Good job securing that sponsor. I'm super happy for you bro.
Thank you!
Bro this really is some quality starship content
Thank you!
Zack you have one of the most professional and interesting TH-cam channels. Excellent job!
Thank you!
Why must we wait....
Gotta tidy up some things. lol
Amazing look back. I can not believe so much is done so quickly. Thank you to you & your amazing team.
Time flies for sure!
Best Starship production analysis I have seen in the past year. You answered every question I have had that every other similar channel failed to answer, and you did it all in one video with absolutely no filler which is such a relief to see these days. I am shocked you are still only at 40k followers, but I am willing to bet that will change when Starship does launch and people come flocking for quality content because this is top quality. Every other channel should take note.
Thank you that means a lot!
Another great vid! The visual updated Jax is very much appreciated. Im really pleased with the news that Zack is going to do this full time and we will get more quality vids in the future! Thanks and good luck!
gonna be a long night, looking forward!
Thank you for this outstanding content!!!
The TH-cam videos you share are AMAZING! I am beyond thrilled you are going to be expanding your efforts to a full-time status with your channel.
I also like your past participation on Panels with Scott M, Ellie in Space, Anne C. Hopefully Jordan, the A.A. will make it to the next one. It would be spectacular to see you all gathered together to commentate for the 1st Starship launch. The lame mainstream network media outlets coverage will completely be outshone by the collective expertise you and others provide...
I foresee your channel subs are going to expand log-rhythmically based on the quality of your content!
All the best,
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This was a fantastic breakdown of the engineering hurdles SpaceX had to negotiate as they evolved Starship and Superheavy Booster.
Brilliant!
Your production value is insanely good. Brilliant narrative and concisely recapping of important events. I have been really busy the last few months so I have missed a lot of these details. But watching this has brought me up to speed. Thanks so much!
You do yourself proud putting out this rigorous analysis of the Starship and its move toward launch. I am quite impressed with your insight into the effectiveness of the test articles that Space X used to evaluate what measures needed to be taken to improve the integrity of the entire launch vehicle. I look forward to your future videos on the progress of Space X and starship.
I like more professional episodes such as this, compared to your earlier ones.
You are evolving!
Wow, the quality of content is increasing exponentially. The CSI Starbase team is really living up to its name. I can even see this material being used in the future to tell the complete history of Starship to a general audience like it used to be on Nat Geographic or Discovery channels.
If I could slam the like button 100 times I would. Amazing content no one else is doing. Keep it up, loving it!
There are fewer thing I wait for in anticipation of these...
I am so impressed by both your excellent production values and the precise and considered approach you use to derive telling technical analysis.
It demonstrates great maturity and genuine love for your subject.
I can only hope you have crippling personal failings to allow you to walk amongst us mortals!
Joking apart keep up the good work.
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Good job. I hadn't realized all of the trials and tribulations that SpaceX has had to navigate. I have a better understanding of why things are taking longer than people hoped. What a massive project!
56:48 Damn that musicalization was really on point, got me goosebumps. Keep the deep dive investigations coming! I'm really jealous about your understanding on starship haha. Excelent work as always
Great work Zack! These just keep getting better.
This is by far the best summary of SPACEX Starship I have seen. It felt like I had found a seat at an engineering dissertation at a major university. Thanks for this!
You together with Jax, and your combined knowledge about Starship is amazing. Very interesting to watch.👍
🎉 an amazing new episode! So much information well explained, this channel is unique due to the type of content. Thanks CSI Starbase.
Thank you!
Outstanding, Zack! Great insights into the major whats, hows, and whys of the last 15 months or so. Understandable presentations from solid understanding, and forget the hype. That's always what I look for, and what I so seldom get. I truly appreciate your assembly of data and its construction into real information. That requires massive work - a veritable thesis. My heartfelt thanks! It's wonderful also to be able to look at the development process with appreciation of some difficulties and get some idea of what's beyond the first orbital flight, as SpaceX grapples to achieve its truly phenomenal ambitions. This video will stand up historically as a piece of documentary on a huge project that promises to have a significance we can't yet entirely know. It's some of the best work I've seen on TH-cam, period.
33:40 is when the video really starts to answer why Starship payloads won't happen until later.
Yep, and everything before that explains why this happened.
By far the most underrated space channel.
Excellent work Team CSI, thank you!
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What you are doing is excellent, my appreciation of what is going on at Spacex is vastly enhanced by each episode, as you clearly and concisely explain what has happened.
Keep up the good work
Always a great deep-dive into Starbase activities and progress towards a launch.
Absolutely beautiful work as always. Congrats to you and the entire team that come together to produce this content from the wonderful renders and animation to the incredibly details engineering analysis. 🤘🏼❤️
Great presentation CSI!
A new detail every three seconds!
Glad you liked it!
Thank you for the great structural testing explanations and lowly speculativitiveness [sic] because you backed everything up with awesome photo evidence!!!
I try to stick to 80% facts 20% speculation
As usual, a truly excellent walk through of the engineering history of the Starship system. Good job!! 👍
An absolutely superb presentation. Zac, you and your team are doing invaluable work in giving people a hard look at the intricacies of rocketry in general, and Starship and SH in particular. As an engineer, I really enjoy that you almost always answer the questions that come to mind during your presentations. Excellent work.
Hi Zach, I love your deep dive, detailed videos ... and now I am looking forward to more frequent videos from you ... thanks alot ... keep them coming.
This is your best yet Stage Zero Zack! Really enjoying how tight and informative it was without lengthy gimmicks. Great back and forth with Jax, and incredible animations that make it crystal clear what you are referencing. It’s amazing the details you guys manage to pick out that would otherwise be completely missed. Great narrative too, it really felt like a journey rather than unconnected observations. Keep it up and watch out Marcus House.
Hi Zac! Your channel & it's content are really something STAGGERING and overwhelming INTERESTING! I could never even imagine this detail level without you ingenuity & expertize you show in this channel! THANKS A LOT ZAC !!!
Bro I hope this video blows up (not a RUD way lol) because the effort put into this is insane. Also it just goes to show how crazy SpaceX is in trying to make Starship a reality lol
Awesome content. Helps us understand the incredible difficulty of Starship integration and testing. Thank you.
*Easily* the best Starship engineering video on the internet.
Wow! Thank you!
Just watched this channel for the first time and subscribed straight away. This was the best coverage of some technical aspects of testing and modifications that I have yet seen. The highlighting of areas under discussion was much appreciated. Great job, well done.
I feel like if it gets far enough away to not damage stage 0 when it explodes it's going to be a huge success.
😂 this is true lol
SN8 was exactly like that, and sure, one late in-flight failure of the first full stack would still count as success as far as I'm concerned. But can they still afford another streak of RUDs that we witnessed as SN9-10-11 all developed various unforeseen failure modes? This is way more expensive hardware even when you take stage 0 out of the equation, the original trial and error approach is off the table by now. And with all the added structural support patchwork you can see it eating away literal tons of useful mass to orbit capacity. As "easy" as it seemed in the early days, one thing is clear now, they still have a very long and rather costly road ahead of them to meet the original design goals. And the clock is ticking, in a few years Artemis missions should rely on this this thing to reliably fly and refuel in orbit, then fly to and land on the Moon and then become crew rated. And we are still concerned whether it will be able withstand max-Q without collapsing on itself. Seems to be a bit behind schedule. Rooting for them to succeed, but I'm starting to be a bit skeptical.
@@matwyder4187 This video series has opened my eyes to the core structural challenges Starship is facing. 😮 Yesterday, I was naively confident they'd succeed in getting to orbit sometime this year. Re-entry was my main systematic concern. I had assumed the basic design had enough structural margin engineered in and the stainless steel hull was plenty strong.
@@737smartin Not sayin' they won't, in fact I'm pretty confident they will make it to orbit very soon. What's not clear is how important of a milestone it will be. They seem like struggling a bit with finalizing a generic platform for all the proposed variants, it just comes with so many compromises. Yet it should fly regular missions asap, collect data to let them iron out all the quirks in time. If it's another one trick pony and they end up spending another year crushing cans, they will clearly miss all deadlines.
Zack, your video content is outstanding. It shows how hard it is to put Starship into orbit. What a journey. Keep rocking. Congrats from Europe.
Thanks Roberto!
Zach, you're doing next level reporting!!! I was wondering why things at Starbase slowed down. I didn't realize they were having so many structural challenges. I like the novel approach of using the Jax avatar. I find its voice very easy to understand. Thanks.
Thank you! Truthfully I think activity at Starbase has picked up dramatically. Mostly on the manufacturing side though.
I did not find that surprising, with 4mm thin steel. A 1 ft. model starship made of paper has the same relative wall thickness...crazy.
Really appreciative how through your team is with the investigations and reporting,
I love the little skits and stuff
Great value adding content. Thank you for the extra effort. This puts you ahead of the pack :)
Truly excellent presentation. Most complete coverage of the topic I have seen.
Thank you!
Great videos and channel. Thank you very much to the team!
Awesome job as always. Super informative
Thanks again!
I'm a long time SpaceX watcher and you guys never cease to amaze me. Great Job!
I'm liking your long form productions. You're doing for ship structure what Everyday Astronaut is doing for engines. Nice work.
Really great vid, up there with your best. Highly informative about the design iterations ! Thanks!
You and your team do a great show. Keep it up. I’m watching.
Outstanding! Thank you for your diligence. You need to excel your talent. You are able to draw people in. I started watching and I was hooked! Thanks again CSI Starbase. Smart man you are...
Awesome production and editing! Very well done! Subscribed
This is all so well researched and presented. The time and effort you put into this is greatly appreciated.
So the big issue appears to be compression vertically through the payload door area.
What if it was rotated 90 degrees? I realise the dispenser may have to be more complex, doubled up, heavier. But so will be all the strengthening.
Alternatively, they could go back to the original concept of a large hinged door. That way when closed, the door becomes a structural element. Much the same as car windscreens are now. Pez dispenser can still be used, just without the slot approach.
Thanks for your detailed and very well presented information! And all the best for you going full time with this, Zack. Terrific work by the entire CSI Starbase team!
Thank you!!!
Great stuff! Thanks for doing this. Good luck in the future!
Awesome video Zack! As many have already said, you your team bring together a lot of information and make it really understandable. I think I liked this Jax better than the in the previous one, but having the real person would be even better. His level of knowledge is amazing!
Great video once again. Very informative. Your work is essential to document the process, honestly. Thank you!
Amazing guys. I always look forward to these.
Informative and well made, keep up the good work! I watch other chanels for weekly updates, but we need these in depth videos spanning the whole life cycle of the Boosters and Starships to see how the design was changed, problems were found and moslty fixed :D. I feel like the Staship saga is becoming full on TV Series, let's hope they don't leave us with a another cliffhanger.
Yeah I can’t wait for this first launch to just be over with. Lots of fun things that will happen after
Outstanding details! Looking forward to the next one!
Very cool take on the starship program. Most comprehensive I have seen to date, thankyou!
the Ship 24 photo on the family tree is one I took. brought a smile to my face.
Really??? What is your twitter name so I can follow you?
@GentryWalker4, but I don't post anything there (yet).
You have not made a lot of videos, so it is Very enjoyable when you do a new one. Lot's of good in-depth stuff with a new outlook!
Zack is my go-to expert on the status of starship. His reports are technical, accurate, and at just the right level of detail. Best of all, I can repeat some or all of an episode to acquire a deeper understanding. His channel perfectly augments my degrees in Aero&Astro engineering. Thank you, Zack.
…I also enjoy using Zack’s videos to discuss aerospace engineering principles with my grandchildren. The visuals are priceless.
Wow Thats awesome! Thank you! Glad I decided to minimize/eliminate the curse words!
Wow, the channel with the detail I was looking for. Amazing work, thank you.
Thanks for such a detailed videos as it can seam like nothing ia happening. So nice to see why it takes so much time and detail.
Great work! Your videos make it much easier to understand what is going on.
Ive just found your channel, and I was sure I'd watch the whole hour within the first 30 seconds. Your presentation is amazing, and I'm a happy new sub.
This is a fascinating analysis. And so much more information than we can pick up during hours of live feeds.
Thanks for another great video! After some thought, I think the best way to launch Star Links is with Star Links embedded in two halves of a recoverable fairing. Yes, this increases the drag going up, but it protects the top fins from max Q and it can be mechanically locked in place over the top such that it doesn't compromise Star Ship structural integrity. Another concept is to put the units into a cap over the top anchored to the roots of the wings. This separates, dispenses the Star Links, and fall to earth like an Apollo capsule with parachutes.
Well Done, a useful history of the mechanical testing and the resulting retrofits and design changes.
Love your content, I'm an Aero Engineer now working in the Nuclear industry. You have some serious insight and it's great to dial down to the nitty gritty!
What an amazing channel! You guys are doing something really special here. Fascinating content!
Another great video packed with wonderful info for those of us who love SpaceX and Space in general. Thanks for all your hard work.
Excellent work by the team. I've been eagerly awaiting this episode. With B7, S24 siting around at the lunch site for so long, it's easy to forget they're cutting edge designs and how risky the launch will be.
man, so much cool infos condensed in one video! thanks!
Wow, that's a great timeline and analysis of Starship development so far. Longer episode than other youtubers; you have a lot to say and you must have a diverse audience to satisfy. My attention span was tested but I passed! Thank you!
Wow, That was good, highly recommend taking the time to watch for anyone interested in the Starship development.
Great video as always zac and team keep up the great work
Absolutely extraordinary coverage. Totally mind blown by theses episodes. Really just can’t believe what I’m watching….it’s beyond exceptional. You should be so proud. We thank you.
Wow, awesome structural forensics, Zack and CSI: Starbase. Thank you.