I hate talking videos. Swore I'd never do one, but here it is. Hope it helps people out. Correction: Bridge on the Harley Benton is actually a Gotoh VS100n bridge.
Just dialled your settings into my DSL40. Wow. Played a Les Paul into it. Sound was amazing. Low, mid, high, all there. None choking the others. Play softer, get a response. Turn the gtr vol down, get a different response. I'm gonna buy some superglue and fix theses settings. Thanks so much. I didn't move all of my knobs that much but the difference was huge.
Thanks for your efforts on getting this tone. I just plugged in your settings on my DSL40CR with the stock V-Type speaker and it's fantastic. Not an EVH type player, but I love that tone. Great playing as well. Excellent!
Wow man that has to be the closest brown sound I have ever heard. The clean dirt with that punch. I just picked one of these up and I’m definitely going to try this. I think the one thing everyone is missing is your hands! The tone and way you play is awesome. I subscribed to this video because of your tone and style. There is sooooo much crap out there, this was so refreshing and exciting to hear. Goes to show how little you need to create incredible tone. Absolute awesome job and u my friend r an incredible player. Keep the vids coming 🤘🤘🤘🤘
I upgraded the speaker in my DSL 40C to an old school V30 and man that was a huge upgrade. I also have a DSL 40CR that I upgraded the speaker to an Alinico Creamback. I blend these two amps in stereo or wet/dry. As a clean platform these amps take pedals very well.
Wow, that sounds amazing - Who knew the DSL could do that?! Would love to hear a comparison between the EVH 2x12 cab and the actual speaker in the combo. Subscribed in the hope of more of this!
So i noted for everyone, i'm getting a DSL 40C (cr too expensive yet): - Speaker > Celestion G12H-30 (16 ohm i guess) - Amp Tubes > valve 1: "57 or 58 telefunken ecc83", i guess that 57/58 references the Fender 57 amp, which means the tube is a telefunken "12ax7" ECC83-TK > valve 2: "LPS Sovtek", which i guess are the SOVTEK 12AX7LPS ecc83 - Rest was stock when the other video was recorded. - I guess it was fine enough & didn't change with the rest of changes. The rest of the valves were then changed to ELECTRO HARMONIX 6CA7 to "open the mids".
Thanks for this! I bought a dsl 40c and just couldn’t get along with it. After watching your video I bought some NOS Telefunkens and swapped the stock speaker out and bam! There it was. Sounds a lot closer to my older Marshalls. I’m glad I didn’t give up on the amp and get rid of it. 🤘
Glad to hear that! They really are amazing amps with the right tubes and speakers. Try a TC spark mini in front of it too. Adds just a little more weight to the tone and a nice sparkle on the top end.
I'm looking for the tubes you say and am having problems being sure I am purchasing the right ones. For example the Longplay LPS Sovtek your recommend I cannot find anything about longplay is the the LPS they refer to? Also there seem to be numbers associated with them such as 12AX7LPS, is that what I'm looking for? Is that the right one to get the sound? Also the Telefunken's I see available don't seem to state the '57 / '58 but are ecc83, are those the right ones? Any help is appreciated, thanks!
@@zeusdogstudios2740 - Telefunken ECC83-TK/12AX7 Black Diamond Series Vacuum Tube - Sovtek 12AX7LPS Preamp Vacuum Tube - Electro-Harmonix 6CA7. Ok so this is what I'm getting ready to purchase this is correct, right? Along with the TC Electronic Spark Mini :) Thanks for the help!
Don't get the black diamond Telefunken!!! They don't sound even close to the old vintage Telefunken ecc83s. The tube I'm using is from 1957/58. They're getting kind of rare and pricey. You can find old 1970's ecc83s considerably cheaper and will get you the sound you want. Black diamond series will not!!!
Killer sound brother. Great job on the riffs. Being a 59 year old guitar player. I know that tone well. Cruise the high schools cranking it up with your powered EQ stereo system through your 6x9 in your 69 z28 comaro or any classic car was the sh@# if you had it. Those were the days.🥲
Hi thanks again and how did it sound through the stock speaker? Maybe you could do a quick demo to get a rough idea. If not no worries. Thanks. I appreciate you share with us fellow DSL 40 kin folks
Sounds great. The dsl40c is an awesome amp. I still run mine with the stock tubes and get a killer brown sound. It sounds great thru the stock speaker or my jcm800 cab(Rola 80s). Ive come to find a big key to Eds sound is pushing the front end a bit. I used to use PAF style pickups straight to Marshall but it just don"t cut it. I actually get much closer with my Les Paul w/ dirty fingers pickups. You gotta push the preamp, the power amp and the spkr to really get Eds sound... full of harmonics, sustain & high end sizzle. Cheers!
Thanks man! I agree totally. I used to use lower output pickups for the clarity, but the EVH pickups still have that clarity while kicking the hell out of the front end. Spark pedal helps too, and of course, volume is always a big factor.
Great tone! I just bought the amp, and I’m using a power soak , I’ve used the settings, but the tone is not there yet… Can you list all the tubes that you using there please also, should I change out the speaker for a cream or a white cone? Does that matter? I knew to all this so I’m just trying to figure it out… But I love your tone! Thx Dave
As an owner of a JCM2000 DSL100, this is a killer sound! The only thing I've noticed with any variation of a DSL, early models to present, is that the tone shift button sounds great when playing by yourself or jamming to a track. But as soon as you get in a full band setting, that button turns into the "disappearing guitarist" switch. Lol.
The old jcm2000s and the dsl c and h series seemed to have that problem as well, but the newer DSLR series seem to have more mids and presence, so even with the mids control down a lot, it's not completely scooped out.
@@theceoofgibson2563 it's funny. I actually love the tone shift button engaged to scoop the sound, but then I use an EQ pedal to bring certain mids back in. Lol.
The sound is EVH and so is your playing. Are you possessed by the spirit of EVH? I knew Eddie played Marshalls early in his career. You nailed the sound perfectly in my opinion. I own a 5150 100W and your sound is more authentic than mine. Keep up the good work.
@@zeusdogstudios2740 sounds great. Just curious how do you have the volume cranked so high in the room. I had a 20 and it was super loud. Could not stand in the room past like 3 on the volume setting and at that low a volume, the tubes never opened up, it just sounded thin.
@@allboutthemojo loud? 😂 If my ears don't ring for a day it's not loud enough. Like they say, if it's too loud, you're too Old 🤣!!! Just a SAYING from the seventies, from my neighbor,,, Ted Nugent...
Fantastic playing! Rarely does 'So This Is Love' get chosen as a demo song, and you nailed it! Frigging love that tune. This was a great demo, sounds incredibly amazing. I have the possibility of grabbing a 2 year old DSL40CR for $500 no tax. I'm bumming about the poor reverb quality. I'm a blues player but love to dabble with some 'light' EVH and definitely Gary Moore stuff.
@RJ-If8ex, The DSL40CR sounds so darn good that you won't mind getting a reverb pedal to compensate. Unbelievable how good this amp sounds, no pedals needed except a reverb and maybe a wah wah of you use them. I was at first skeptical about buying this amp because, for a big name such as Marshall I felt it was too economically accessible and therefore of low quality and just a scam to rob the newbies impressed with big names. However, I was wrong. This baby is top quality in every way and sounds like it was built by Augustus Owlsley Stanley...and that's saying something. He designed and built the sound systems for both Fillmore's East and West as well as the Grateful Dead's "Wall of sound" speaker system, of which they still use today. If a pesky little problem develops, ie., tube replacement etc., it's worth it to repair it or replace the tube because, this amp's sound quality can only be found in amps costing two to three times as much or more.🙂
Now that's THE tone, you nailed it! What would it sound like with the combo's HP and without the EVH cab? Maybe you could swap it it with a Celestion Greenback?
Thanks so much for posting this video. in case this helps anyone trying to recreate this: I came really close to recreating this sound with the same Marshall amp and same EVH speaker but without changing the tubes. I used a modeler for the pedals. At first it sounded absolutely awful. I figured out that if I reduce the level coming from my guitar in the input block of modeler, suddenly the sound improves drastically. If you try this and use real pedals, consider buying a pedal that pads the input signal from your guitar. That should accomplish the same thing. Before I reduced the input level it sounded better with low output pickups but after reducing the input level it sounds great with high output pickups. By the way, the EVH speaker is bulky and heavy but sounds great once you figure out how to set everything up correctly.
Love this video! Thank you for sharing! Could one get the same tone with your setup but instead of the DSL40CR use a DSL50 or DSL100H or DSL100HR? And would a similar guitar with the same mods but with a double locking floyd rose tremelo system instead also get this tone?
THANK YOU!!!! Finally, someone does a review without making us all listen to 20 minutes of their same old shitty blues licks doing a crunch channel review on a Fender Telecaster.
I use TAD preamp tubes. They are very warm and no high harsh spikey like JJ preamp tubes. I just bought new DSL 40 vintage cream with black plexi Marshall logo. Came with G12 vintage made in UK speaker. I use the spark boost also with a Ge7 eq as overdrive boost. Paired on top my Marshall 4x12 vintage with greenbacks and origin 50 head on top. Great combination with my les paul classic. My band... Cellar 🐀 Rats we play all classic hard rock, montrose, Aerosmith, styx etc. Good video sounds great!
can a reverb pedal be used in the effects loops to get close to your brown sound? Telefunken ecc83-tk or Telefunken ecc83 smooth plate? there is a $350.00 difference.
I have used a reverb pedal in the loop. Works great. The Telefunken ecc83 I'm using is a smooth plate from the 1950s. The new black diamond tubes don't sound the same.
So....this is sick! Even without the pedals this sounds awesome. Hey do you have a classic AC/DC sound setup/EQ that is pretty dialed in that you could share?
That’s a really solid tone. I’ve got a SC20 H I use with a 212 loaded with some high powered greenback clones and I’m really not sure it does quite as well. Have you gigged with the DSL? How does it hold up with a drummer?
It's got plenty of snot to hang with a full band, unless your drummer is an absolute animal. Hell, I used to play with a drummer that my 100 watt plexi would barely hang with! The SC20 is a great amp. Maybe try changing out some tubes to get it where you want it?
Outstanding! Ben Funk has a video that shows just how stunning this amp can sound, as well. I believe it's called "80's tone with a DSL40". But, I digress.... This is the best amp for the money. I just wish it's clean is as good as the 100w.
I'll always recommend a Marshall over pretty much anything, but that's just my personal taste. I owned and played an EVH 5150 III for 10 years and fought with it the whole time trying to get it to sound more like a Marshall. They just have a different type of gain and feel. I finally figured out that there's no point playing an amp that wants to be a Marshall when you can just play the real thing. But at the end of the day, it all comes down to personal taste.
Thank you! In this video I have the channel volume wide open and the master just under 1. I would consider that bedroom level, but I play pretty loud and have no one to tell me it's too loud or not, so I don't know if it would be too much for an apartment or a cohabitation setting. It sounds OK at lower volumes, but really opens up and gives you the goods when you start getting it up around halfway which is where I usually play at.
I just got one of these Amps used….and after putting it to all your settings, mine sounds quite plain. First thing I’m going to do is order all new tubes, should I remove the V-type speaking and get a G12h30 speaker to replace it to get me the rest of the way?
While I'm not a fan of the V-type speaker, it is useable and should sound decent. Your amp may be sounding a bit anemic due to it being new. I'd suggest giving it a little time to break in before replacing it as the sound will loosen up a bit with time. If it were me, I'd look for a 212 cab with g12h30s if that's the sound you want. They're only a 30 Watt speaker and may fry in that amp. Would also sound different as it's an open back vs a closed cab.
I just came across your video. That's some wicked playing. Wow! I have a DSL40C. There is one thing I noticed on your amp eq settings. You have your Tone Shift selected/engaged and your Middle Eq set at 2. The manual for the DSL40C, regarding the Tone Shift function: the Middle Eq needs to be turned down to zero BEFORE engaging the Tone Shift function. I know here are some differences between the DSL40CR and the DSL40C models. The Tone Shift function is one of the features that is unchanged, including the middle Eq setting at zero prior, Im betting. Now, you having your Middlle pretty close to zero as it is, you ,most certainly can tell a difference. For me, I always had all 3 eqs in the middle. That being said, when I engaged the Tone Shift, there wasnt such a noticeable difference that stuck out, not even close to yours. So, in referring to my Manual...............Ok, where did I put it if not inside the amp? Anyway, after I downloaded another from Marshall Support, and then setting the mid to zero, thats when I could hear the change. Both of these models are good amps.
I bought one of these last month too. Killer amp. The only complaint I have is that reverb. Studio quality the instructions say...sure. Really surprised they included it in lieu of something else, like maybe an actual reverb pan. Idk. Other than that, couldn't be happier. So, how does this sound running through another cab? Hard to tell from a video. Kudos.
Why can't any of these manufacturers just omit their half-assed reverb circuits? It would save a buck or two and simplify the control layout. We don't want digital reverb built into the amp. Just leave out ALL effects and make sure it has a decent loop from the factory. They're all so out of touch with actual players its pathetic.
Yeah, I have to agree that the reverb is pretty weak. A good pedal sorts it out though. Amp sounds great through every cab I've put it through. Really tough to find a bad tone with it.
@@zeusdogstudios2740 Don't get me wrong, the amp itself is great. It takes pedals well too, both in the front and in the loop. It just offends my ADHD to have a usless reverb control staring at me from the front panel haha.
@@smartacus88 Lol, 2 useless reverb controls! I agree completely. They really could have used that space for something more useful. Or at least audible reverb.
So for van halen prefer the dsl to the plexi?? Thats crazy. I have 1968 plexi clone right now that i play, it sounds amazing.I want to pick up a DSL also just for fun.
Well, I never said that plexis aren't an amazing amp. They definitely are. Out of the 4 I've owned, 3 '69 1959s and a 1987x, the 1987x was the only one that had that type of sound to it, but unfortunately it had some reliability issues, so it got traded fairly quickly. Yes, I've definitely had better luck getting the tone on a lowly dsl than the plexis, but it took me a lot of messing with tube/speaker/overdrive/pickups/eq settings. Not saying the plexi won't do it, just giving my own personal experience and trying to save people some money by showing them that a less expensive option can get you where you want to be. Definitely get yourself a dsl. They're great amps as well. I'd love to hear some clips of your 68 doing some Van Halen.
So I have a DSL 40C not the CR but can I still get the same sound from my amplifier ? I also have a Peavey Wolfgang so that is all I think I would need as far as the guitar 🤘😎
This sound is amazing! I am going to buy a Marshall DSL40cr purely because of this video! Amazing playing! Would you mind posting me int he right direction for the correct tubes you mentioned in the video? I can find ECC83s by Telefunken but not 57/58 ones. I’m a bit clueless in regard to tubes so please forgive me and thank you in advance ☺️
It doesn't necessarily have to be a 57\58. Pretty much any old original Telefunken ecc83 from the 50s to the 70s should give you the same type of tone. You can find them used on reverb or eBay, or if you want NOS generally tube depot is a good place to start looking.
So you believe tube changes effect tone because some channels on you tube who i wont mention say that has absolutely nothing to do with tone its all in the cicuit
Maybe better tubes let the circuit perform better? I have a DSL20 head and I changed the tubes in it also. The stock tubes were fizzy and muddy. I replaced the stock EL34's with Electro Harmonix EL34's and that gave it a cleaner brighter and crispier sound. I replaced the power tubes with Gold Lion power tubes and that gave it a more robust sound to it. Kind of like switching from a single coil to a humbucker type of robustness. The stock power tubes would get really hot and you could smell it. It would also be hot enough you couldn't leave your hand on the amp very long. The new power tubes make it warm to the touch not scalding hot. New tubes made an OK amp into a great amp for me.
Well, it was great on its own without modification, but the pickups didn't quite sound the way I wanted them to, and the volume pot didn't have a taper that I liked. After a year of beating the crap out of the Wilkinson bridge, it developed stability issues so I changed it for a gotoh. Everything else is completely stock.
Awesome brown Sound in this video. I own this Marshall amp. If I bought the EVH cab can I simultaneously have sound come out of the combo amp and the cabinet or would connecting the cab only make sound come out of the cab? How would I get sound both to have a wall of sound.
Glad you enjoyed the video Steve! Yeah, you can run both speakers at the same time. They're both 16 ohms so you just plug both into the 8 ohm outputs. It says right on the back of the amp, 1×8 or 2×16. Simple hook up. Although, I recommend for the brown sound only running the EVH cab as I find the V-type speaker isn't the best for the type of mids you're looking for, and a bit too much high end.
@@zeusdogstudios2740 Great. Thanks for confirming! Would the Peavey EVH 5150 III 2x12ST Cabinet still work for this if I can’t change the tubes at the moment? I see it costs less than the one in white which the Fender version correct?
Simalar, but the 5153 has a different gain structure and feel. It also has a weird midrange honk that i can't dial out. Annoying when you start getting the volume up.
Man I dont often comment on guitar stuff most of it is just too annoying, not this. Well done. Spot on as others have also great Eddie feel in your playing Eddie would of smiled at that, great song song choice to, to demonstrate and great info. Thsnks 😄
@@zeusdogstudios2740 but there are choices; Electro-Harmonix EL34 EH 6CA7 EH Big Bottle or Electro-Harmonix 6CA7 Electon Tubes, Electro Harmonix 6CA7 Matched Pair (EL34) - just trying to make sure I get the correct tubes, thanks.
I have a hughs and kettner 2x12 16ohm and can use all three at once. If its not a 16ohms cab you shouldn't use internal speaker at the same time.can but shouldn't!!
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I have watched this post 100 times - you got the tone nailed…. EVH had many but this is the one I love the best
Just dialled your settings into my DSL40. Wow. Played a Les Paul into it. Sound was amazing. Low, mid, high, all there. None choking the others. Play softer, get a response. Turn the gtr vol down, get a different response. I'm gonna buy some superglue and fix theses settings. Thanks so much. I didn't move all of my knobs that much but the difference was huge.
Glad you're enjoying it!!
Wowwww... I've owned a DSL40 CR for seven years and I never knew you could get so close to EVH with this amp! Thats amazing!!!
Thanks for your efforts on getting this tone. I just plugged in your settings on my DSL40CR with the stock V-Type speaker and it's fantastic. Not an EVH type player, but I love that tone. Great playing as well. Excellent!
Thanks! Glad you're enjoying it!! Surprisingly, this tone works great for a lot of things that I didn't expect.
Wow man that has to be the closest brown sound I have ever heard. The clean dirt with that punch. I just picked one of these up and I’m definitely going to try this. I think the one thing everyone is missing is your hands! The tone and way you play is awesome. I subscribed to this video because of your tone and style. There is sooooo much crap out there, this was so refreshing and exciting to hear. Goes to show how little you need to create incredible tone. Absolute awesome job and u my friend r an incredible player. Keep the vids coming 🤘🤘🤘🤘
The spirit of King Edward lives on. 🤘🏻
Always will!!!!
You're playing, SIr, is inspirational. Fantastic thank you.
I upgraded the speaker in my DSL 40C to an old school V30 and man that was a huge upgrade. I also have a DSL 40CR that I upgraded the speaker to an Alinico Creamback. I blend these two amps in stereo or wet/dry. As a clean platform these amps take pedals very well.
I have a Similar speaker a Celestion Heritiage G12H 55hz Greenback, similar to the Creamback with extra low end
Wow, that sounds amazing - Who knew the DSL could do that?!
Would love to hear a comparison between the EVH 2x12 cab and the actual speaker in the combo.
Subscribed in the hope of more of this!
Thanks! might have to do the speaker comparison soon!
@@zeusdogstudios2740 Do the speaker comparison! Did it make much of a difference? Can we get this sound with just the DSL?
I was skeptical when I first saw the title, but I kept an open mind and I have to say, you friqqin' nailed it. Excellent set up
Thanks man!
Truly outstanding vid. The DSL40CR is an incredible little amp. Lots of tones to unlock. Thanks for shining a light on how you got yours!
So i noted for everyone, i'm getting a DSL 40C (cr too expensive yet):
- Speaker
> Celestion G12H-30 (16 ohm i guess)
- Amp Tubes
> valve 1: "57 or 58 telefunken ecc83", i guess that 57/58 references the Fender 57 amp, which means the tube is a telefunken "12ax7" ECC83-TK
> valve 2: "LPS Sovtek", which i guess are the SOVTEK 12AX7LPS ecc83
- Rest was stock when the other video was recorded.
- I guess it was fine enough & didn't change with the rest of changes.
The rest of the valves were then changed to ELECTRO HARMONIX 6CA7 to "open the mids".
I have a Heritage G12H 55hz Greenback, killer speakers.
U nailed!!! I'm too old to be a tone freak, the spirit of the brown sound is there
Thanks man! You're never too old to be a tone freak!!!! Always chasing.
Thanks for this! I bought a dsl 40c and just couldn’t get along with it. After watching your video I bought some NOS Telefunkens and swapped the stock speaker out and bam! There it was. Sounds a lot closer to my older Marshalls. I’m glad I didn’t give up on the amp and get rid of it. 🤘
Glad to hear that! They really are amazing amps with the right tubes and speakers. Try a TC spark mini in front of it too. Adds just a little more weight to the tone and a nice sparkle on the top end.
Volume max.. That's one of the recipes indeed... Very nice tone, man. Thanks for the settings.
I'm looking for the tubes you say and am having problems being sure I am purchasing the right ones. For example the Longplay LPS Sovtek your recommend I cannot find anything about longplay is the the LPS they refer to? Also there seem to be numbers associated with them such as 12AX7LPS, is that what I'm looking for? Is that the right one to get the sound?
Also the Telefunken's I see available don't seem to state the '57 / '58 but are ecc83, are those the right ones?
Any help is appreciated, thanks!
Those are the correct tube numbers you're looking for. I also highly recommend the Electro Harmonix 6ca7 for your power tubes.
@@zeusdogstudios2740 - Telefunken ECC83-TK/12AX7 Black Diamond Series Vacuum Tube - Sovtek 12AX7LPS Preamp Vacuum Tube - Electro-Harmonix 6CA7.
Ok so this is what I'm getting ready to purchase this is correct, right? Along with the TC Electronic Spark Mini :)
Thanks for the help!
Don't get the black diamond Telefunken!!! They don't sound even close to the old vintage Telefunken ecc83s. The tube I'm using is from 1957/58. They're getting kind of rare and pricey. You can find old 1970's ecc83s considerably cheaper and will get you the sound you want. Black diamond series will not!!!
Killer sound brother. Great job on the riffs. Being a 59 year old guitar player. I know that tone well. Cruise the high schools cranking it up with your powered EQ stereo system through your 6x9 in your 69 z28 comaro or any classic car was the sh@# if you had it. Those were the days.🥲
Could you still get the brown sound with just the stock amp and no cabinet?
Idk what you said man, but you NAILED IT!
That's so cool. You are a winner sir!!!
Thanks for posting this amazing sound you’ve got it nailed. Are you also playing through the stock speaker in the DSL along with the 212 cab?
@jamesalllan7806 Thanks man! Running out of the 212 only.
Hi thanks again and how did it sound through the stock speaker? Maybe you could do a quick demo to get a rough idea. If not no worries. Thanks. I appreciate you share with us fellow DSL 40 kin folks
Sounds great. The dsl40c is an awesome amp. I still run mine with the stock tubes and get a killer brown sound. It sounds great thru the stock speaker or my jcm800 cab(Rola 80s). Ive come to find a big key to Eds sound is pushing the front end a bit. I used to use PAF style pickups straight to Marshall but it just don"t cut it. I actually get much closer with my Les Paul w/ dirty fingers pickups. You gotta push the preamp, the power amp and the spkr to really get Eds sound... full of harmonics, sustain & high end sizzle. Cheers!
Thanks man! I agree totally. I used to use lower output pickups for the clarity, but the EVH pickups still have that clarity while kicking the hell out of the front end. Spark pedal helps too, and of course, volume is always a big factor.
Great tone! I just bought the amp, and I’m using a power soak , I’ve used the settings, but the tone is not there yet… Can you list all the tubes that you using there please also, should I change out the speaker for a cream or a white cone? Does that matter? I knew to all this so I’m just trying to figure it out… But I love your tone!
Thx
Dave
Great tone and tweaks to the DSL. Love the sound with the 412 Greenback cab.
The DSL is a monster of an amp!! Doesn't get nearly as much love as it deserves.
As an owner of a JCM2000 DSL100, this is a killer sound! The only thing I've noticed with any variation of a DSL, early models to present, is that the tone shift button sounds great when playing by yourself or jamming to a track. But as soon as you get in a full band setting, that button turns into the "disappearing guitarist" switch. Lol.
Thank you! I haven't had the problem with it not cutting in any mix. Still plenty of mids.
The old jcm2000s and the dsl c and h series seemed to have that problem as well, but the newer DSLR series seem to have more mids and presence, so even with the mids control down a lot, it's not completely scooped out.
@@theceoofgibson2563 it's funny. I actually love the tone shift button engaged to scoop the sound, but then I use an EQ pedal to bring certain mids back in. Lol.
@@dizzyastr989 haha yeah, I do that a lot with my orange MD
Hey where did you have the master volumes set? And how did you run the volume on your guitar and the tone pot I think youhave tone pot disconnected ?
The sound is EVH and so is your playing. Are you possessed by the spirit of EVH? I knew Eddie played Marshalls early in his career. You nailed the sound perfectly in my opinion. I own a 5150 100W and your sound is more authentic than mine. Keep up the good work.
Thanks man! Working on putting out some new stuff soon!
@@zeusdogstudios2740 sounds great. Just curious how do you have the volume cranked so high in the room. I had a 20 and it was super loud. Could not stand in the room past like 3 on the volume setting and at that low a volume, the tubes never opened up, it just sounded thin.
Rob H, I agree!
@@allboutthemojo it takes amps a few months to break in. Use THE GAIN TO CONTROL VOLUME & YOUR GUITAR.
@@allboutthemojo loud? 😂 If my ears don't ring for a day it's not loud enough. Like they say, if it's too loud, you're too Old 🤣!!! Just a SAYING from the seventies, from my neighbor,,, Ted Nugent...
Fantastic playing! Rarely does 'So This Is Love' get chosen as a demo song, and you nailed it! Frigging love that tune. This was a great demo, sounds incredibly amazing. I have the possibility of grabbing a 2 year old DSL40CR for $500 no tax. I'm bumming about the poor reverb quality. I'm a blues player but love to dabble with some 'light' EVH and definitely Gary Moore stuff.
Thank you! So this is love has always been one of my favorites. Buy the DSL, buy a decent reverb pedal, crank it up and enjoy!
I agree the REVERB SUCKS! I HAVE A '75 SF TWIN,& A 68 DELUXE, ALSO FENDER SUPER REVERB THEY ALL PUT MARSHALLS REVERB TO SHAME !
@RJ-If8ex, The DSL40CR sounds so darn good that you won't mind getting a reverb pedal to compensate. Unbelievable how good this amp sounds, no pedals needed except a reverb and maybe a wah wah of you use them. I was at first skeptical about buying this amp because, for a big name such as Marshall I felt it was too economically accessible and therefore of low quality and just a scam to rob the newbies impressed with big names. However, I was wrong. This baby is top quality in every way and sounds like it was built by Augustus Owlsley Stanley...and that's saying something. He designed and built the sound systems for both Fillmore's East and West as well as the Grateful Dead's "Wall of sound" speaker system, of which they still use today. If a pesky little problem develops, ie., tube replacement etc., it's worth it to repair it or replace the tube because, this amp's sound quality can only be found in amps costing two to three times as much or more.🙂
They are going for $950 now
@@cliffords2315I feel that even at $940 they're a deal when considering the quality of tone this little sweetheart offers the guitarist.🙂
Are you going into both speakers(Marshall and evh), or just the evh cab?
Now that's THE tone, you nailed it! What would it sound like with the combo's HP and without the EVH cab? Maybe you could swap it it with a Celestion Greenback?
I'll be danged. I waited through the description but when you opened it up, that was amazingly close for the equipment you were using. Great job!
Thanks! Yeah, I really didn't want to do a talking video ever. I hate them. Glad you made it to the playing part though!!
Thanks so much for posting this video. in case this helps anyone trying to recreate this: I came really close to recreating this sound with the same Marshall amp and same EVH speaker but without changing the tubes. I used a modeler for the pedals. At first it sounded absolutely awful. I figured out that if I reduce the level coming from my guitar in the input block of modeler, suddenly the sound improves drastically. If you try this and use real pedals, consider buying a pedal that pads the input signal from your guitar. That should accomplish the same thing. Before I reduced the input level it sounded better with low output pickups but after reducing the input level it sounds great with high output pickups. By the way, the EVH speaker is bulky and heavy but sounds great once you figure out how to set everything up correctly.
Thanks for this great vid Zeus! The DSL-40 is and awesome little amp and your settings and tweaks really recreate the Brown Sound!
Love this video! Thank you for sharing! Could one get the same tone with your setup but instead of the DSL40CR use a DSL50 or DSL100H or DSL100HR? And would a similar guitar with the same mods but with a double locking floyd rose tremelo system instead also get this tone?
I watched this vid and thought "This is gonna be hilarious" and then I cried for an hour when it kinda sounded like Van Halen for realz
Thanks!
THANK YOU!!!! Finally, someone does a review without making us all listen to 20 minutes of their same old shitty blues licks doing a crunch channel review on a Fender Telecaster.
Damn dude… 🤘🏽awesome playing too, Panama intro is just bang on!
Amazing tone dude! I bought this beast last year. Fantastic amp. Tons of possibilities.
What speaker would you replace with the original speaker - if you didn’t have the 2x12 EVH cab
Skumback m75 PVC. Sounds amazingly close to a greenback, and will handle the wattage.
Nice playing, great sound! Just tried your settings on my DSL40CR... Never sound that good before... Thanks!
Man I know this is old but dude ya nailed it. Wow. Always searching for the kings tone.
I use TAD preamp tubes. They are very warm and no high harsh spikey like JJ preamp tubes. I just bought new DSL 40 vintage cream with black plexi Marshall logo. Came with G12 vintage made in UK speaker. I use the spark boost also with a Ge7 eq as overdrive boost. Paired on top my Marshall 4x12 vintage with greenbacks and origin 50 head on top. Great combination with my les paul classic. My band... Cellar 🐀 Rats we play all classic hard rock, montrose, Aerosmith, styx etc. Good video sounds great!
can a reverb pedal be used in the effects loops to get close to your brown sound? Telefunken ecc83-tk or Telefunken ecc83 smooth plate? there is a $350.00 difference.
I have used a reverb pedal in the loop. Works great. The Telefunken ecc83 I'm using is a smooth plate from the 1950s. The new black diamond tubes don't sound the same.
So....this is sick! Even without the pedals this sounds awesome. Hey do you have a classic AC/DC sound setup/EQ that is pretty dialed in that you could share?
awsome, i have same amp never heard that amp sound like that thank you always learning, great job....
That’s a really solid tone. I’ve got a SC20 H I use with a 212 loaded with some high powered greenback clones and I’m really not sure it does quite as well. Have you gigged with the DSL? How does it hold up with a drummer?
It's got plenty of snot to hang with a full band, unless your drummer is an absolute animal. Hell, I used to play with a drummer that my 100 watt plexi would barely hang with!
The SC20 is a great amp. Maybe try changing out some tubes to get it where you want it?
Sounds great! What’s the setting on your master volume?
Never mind you said 4 to 5 on the 40 watt setting
I got a BOSS 100/W Artist (worth every penny) gets this sound & many others almost effortlessly !
Yup. Had one myself. Sent it back a week later.
Wow that sounds really good! I have the DSL20HR and 100HR...gonna have to play around some more...thanks!!!
Thanks man! Swap out some tubes, try some different speakers and pickups. You'll find the tone you're looking for!
@@zeusdogstudios2740 I have become more adjusted to both amps and can dial in some great tones
Outstanding! Ben Funk has a video that shows just how stunning this amp can sound, as well. I believe it's called "80's tone with a DSL40". But, I digress.... This is the best amp for the money. I just wish it's clean is as good as the 100w.
How does this affect the clean channel? I have a DSL 40 cr that I’d love to do this to but I also need a clean channel , for type of music I do
Thanks
@@jamesalllan7806 Couldn't tell you. I only use the one channel and clean up with my volume control.
Wow, Cant wait for your "Next New Album" to come out"
Dear Zeusdog
DSL40cr, and 5150iii 50w EL34
Which do you recommend to me?
I love EVH.
perhaps I cannnot get the same tubes as you.
I'll always recommend a Marshall over pretty much anything, but that's just my personal taste. I owned and played an EVH 5150 III for 10 years and fought with it the whole time trying to get it to sound more like a Marshall. They just have a different type of gain and feel. I finally figured out that there's no point playing an amp that wants to be a Marshall when you can just play the real thing.
But at the end of the day, it all comes down to personal taste.
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Dear ZeusDog, thanks a lot.
I love Eddie playing Marshall. So I’ll get a Marshall amp.
Your advice was very helpful, thank you
Wow great tone and playing!
Was the total master volume full in your video?
Can dsl40 sound good in bedroom volume?
Thank you! In this video I have the channel volume wide open and the master just under 1. I would consider that bedroom level, but I play pretty loud and have no one to tell me it's too loud or not, so I don't know if it would be too much for an apartment or a cohabitation setting. It sounds OK at lower volumes, but really opens up and gives you the goods when you start getting it up around halfway which is where I usually play at.
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Thank you, its very helpful.
I think yours is the best VH tone at DSL40CR, cheers!
The vid I’ve been waiting for! Awesome man
Glad you enjoyed it!!!
Oh this was fun to listen to! Great playing and great sound!
I just got one of these Amps used….and after putting it to all your settings, mine sounds quite plain. First thing I’m going to do is order all new tubes, should I remove the V-type speaking and get a G12h30 speaker to replace it to get me the rest of the way?
While I'm not a fan of the V-type speaker, it is useable and should sound decent. Your amp may be sounding a bit anemic due to it being new. I'd suggest giving it a little time to break in before replacing it as the sound will loosen up a bit with time. If it were me, I'd look for a 212 cab with g12h30s if that's the sound you want. They're only a 30 Watt speaker and may fry in that amp. Would also sound different as it's an open back vs a closed cab.
DSL 40CR.I got one in 2018 so I'm pretty stoked about that. Think I paid about $699 bucks from Sweetwater. Now they are pushing $1,050.
I noticed the prices of DSL40CR amps going up, too. Luckily I just bought an unused still-in-the-box one for $735 plus shipping. Very happy.
How close is the sound if you’re not using the 2x12 cab?
Now I gotta find a dsl40! Sounds great, man I just spent 3 grand on a jc2c+, that's killer tone for a combo!
been waiting for this thank you very much!
You're quite welcome! Thank you for watching it.
I just came across your video. That's some wicked playing. Wow! I have a DSL40C. There is one thing I noticed on your amp eq settings. You have your Tone Shift selected/engaged and your Middle Eq set at 2. The manual for the DSL40C, regarding the Tone Shift function: the Middle Eq needs to be turned down to zero BEFORE engaging the Tone Shift function. I know here are some differences between the DSL40CR and the DSL40C models. The Tone Shift function is one of the features that is unchanged, including the middle Eq setting at zero prior, Im betting. Now, you having your Middlle pretty close to zero as it is, you ,most certainly can tell a difference. For me, I always had all 3 eqs in the middle. That being said, when I engaged the Tone Shift, there wasnt such a noticeable difference that stuck out, not even close to yours. So, in referring to my Manual...............Ok, where did I put it if not inside the amp? Anyway, after I downloaded another from Marshall Support, and then setting the mid to zero, thats when I could hear the change. Both of these models are good amps.
How much $$ was spent on tubes, speakers, pickups ect. ect. ?
That sounds great. How close do you think the sound would be to that using an attenuator?
Thanks! No idea on using an attenuator. I just use the master volumes. Only ever used an attenuator on my non master volume amps.
Sounds great man. I tend to leave the tone shift pushed in %85-90 of the time for all the different tones I go for on this amp
I bought one of these last month too. Killer amp. The only complaint I have is that reverb. Studio quality the instructions say...sure. Really surprised they included it in lieu of something else, like maybe an actual reverb pan. Idk. Other than that, couldn't be happier. So, how does this sound running through another cab? Hard to tell from a video. Kudos.
Why can't any of these manufacturers just omit their half-assed reverb circuits? It would save a buck or two and simplify the control layout. We don't want digital reverb built into the amp. Just leave out ALL effects and make sure it has a decent loop from the factory. They're all so out of touch with actual players its pathetic.
Yeah, I have to agree that the reverb is pretty weak. A good pedal sorts it out though.
Amp sounds great through every cab I've put it through. Really tough to find a bad tone with it.
@@zeusdogstudios2740 Don't get me wrong, the amp itself is great. It takes pedals well too, both in the front and in the loop. It just offends my ADHD to have a usless reverb control staring at me from the front panel haha.
@@smartacus88 Lol, 2 useless reverb controls! I agree completely. They really could have used that space for something more useful. Or at least audible reverb.
A good thing is that there is installed in a parallel plate so if breaks the amp will keep working. Well done
So for van halen prefer the dsl to the plexi?? Thats crazy. I have 1968 plexi clone right now that i play, it sounds amazing.I want to pick up a DSL also just for fun.
Well, I never said that plexis aren't an amazing amp. They definitely are. Out of the 4 I've owned, 3 '69 1959s and a 1987x, the 1987x was the only one that had that type of sound to it, but unfortunately it had some reliability issues, so it got traded fairly quickly. Yes, I've definitely had better luck getting the tone on a lowly dsl than the plexis, but it took me a lot of messing with tube/speaker/overdrive/pickups/eq settings. Not saying the plexi won't do it, just giving my own personal experience and trying to save people some money by showing them that a less expensive option can get you where you want to be. Definitely get yourself a dsl. They're great amps as well. I'd love to hear some clips of your 68 doing some Van Halen.
So I have a DSL 40C not the CR but can I still get the same sound from my amplifier ? I also have a Peavey Wolfgang so that is all I think I would need as far as the guitar 🤘😎
This sound is amazing! I am going to buy a Marshall DSL40cr purely because of this video! Amazing playing!
Would you mind posting me int he right direction for the correct tubes you mentioned in the video? I can find ECC83s by Telefunken but not 57/58 ones. I’m a bit clueless in regard to tubes so please forgive me and thank you in advance ☺️
It doesn't necessarily have to be a 57\58. Pretty much any old original Telefunken ecc83 from the 50s to the 70s should give you the same type of tone. You can find them used on reverb or eBay, or if you want NOS generally tube depot is a good place to start looking.
Awesoneee tone and playing
Thanks!!!!
So when all is done it’s really not a stock DSL amp.
I have a DSL40C I run through a white 2017 Special Anniversary EVH 2x12. Sounds great.
So you believe tube changes effect tone because some channels on you tube who i wont mention say that has absolutely nothing to do with tone its all in the cicuit
Maybe better tubes let the circuit perform better? I have a DSL20 head and I changed the tubes in it also. The stock tubes were fizzy and muddy. I replaced the stock EL34's with Electro Harmonix EL34's and that gave it a cleaner brighter and crispier sound. I replaced the power tubes with Gold Lion power tubes and that gave it a more robust sound to it. Kind of like switching from a single coil to a humbucker type of robustness. The stock power tubes would get really hot and you could smell it. It would also be hot enough you couldn't leave your hand on the amp very long. The new power tubes make it warm to the touch not scalding hot. New tubes made an OK amp into a great amp for me.
Nice playing man! Killer tone! Nailed it all.
Thanks man!!!
On the half setting can this thing get quiet and still sound good?
Totally stoked man!
Forget about it!
If the Harley Benton is so great why make all of the changes to it? Or is it more correct to say it's a great mod platform?
Well, it was great on its own without modification, but the pickups didn't quite sound the way I wanted them to, and the volume pot didn't have a taper that I liked. After a year of beating the crap out of the Wilkinson bridge, it developed stability issues so I changed it for a gotoh. Everything else is completely stock.
Awesome brown Sound in this video. I own this Marshall amp. If I bought the EVH cab can I simultaneously have sound come out of the combo amp and the cabinet or would connecting the cab only make sound come out of the cab? How would I get sound both to have a wall of sound.
Glad you enjoyed the video Steve! Yeah, you can run both speakers at the same time. They're both 16 ohms so you just plug both into the 8 ohm outputs. It says right on the back of the amp, 1×8 or 2×16. Simple hook up. Although, I recommend for the brown sound only running the EVH cab as I find the V-type speaker isn't the best for the type of mids you're looking for, and a bit too much high end.
@@zeusdogstudios2740 Great. Thanks for confirming! Would the Peavey EVH 5150 III 2x12ST Cabinet still work for this if I can’t change the tubes at the moment? I see it costs less than the one in white which the Fender version correct?
If it has EVH on it, it's Fender not Peavey. Yes, having the right cab is a great start.
@@zeusdogstudios2740 it says EVH but it’s in black. And they listed as peavey but it’s probably Fender
@@zeusdogstudios2740 I bought the EVH cab based on your video.
Eddie modified his plexis bigtime. He did all kinds of things with the tubes.
WOWWW 😮(Frantically searching local listings for a cheap used DSL40cr) 😂. Sound great!
Well am I ever happy I own a dsl40cr!
Hell yeah!!!!
Se pueden utilizar auriculares?
Y si se puede, se escucha bien ?
did you change the tubes??
Fair Warning album poster. The best VH album ever.
You can make any amp sound good !!!!!
Lol!! Thank you!
Are the pre amp tubes soldered in?
How does it compare to the 5153 50 watt?
Simalar, but the 5153 has a different gain structure and feel. It also has a weird midrange honk that i can't dial out. Annoying when you start getting the volume up.
Hey bud, how bout a Tutorial or a tab lesson for the song..including the SOLO!
Really good Mr Zues
What setting do you have the marmite on?
The Marmite is ALWAYS set to 11!!!!!!! Only setting it has!
Man I dont often comment on guitar stuff most of it is just too annoying, not this. Well done. Spot on as others have also great Eddie feel in your playing Eddie would of smiled at that, great song song choice to, to demonstrate and great info. Thsnks 😄
Thanks man! This comment gave me a huge smile for like a week! I hope wherever Eddie is, he is playing loud!!!!
That purple super lead is awesome!!
Is the Sovtek an EL34 or 12AX7 or ECC83 so many choices.
12ax7 lps
@@zeusdogstudios2740 thank you
What about the 6CA7's? 12AX7 / EL34? Thanks again
Electro Harmonix 6ca7 are the power tubes I use. Late 1950s Telefunken ecc83 in valve 1, sovtek 12ax7 LPS in valve 2. All others are stock.
@@zeusdogstudios2740 but there are choices; Electro-Harmonix EL34 EH 6CA7 EH Big Bottle or Electro-Harmonix 6CA7 Electon Tubes, Electro Harmonix 6CA7 Matched Pair (EL34) - just trying to make sure I get the correct tubes, thanks.
I thought Eddie just cranked a plexi and used a variac to get the Brown sound. Did he have to do other mods similar to what you did here?
put NOS tubes or change cabs is not "mods"
NICE ! I am sure those speakers are a lot too do with it !
The realy brown sound, bravo
Is the internal speaker being used as well?
Nope. Just the EVH cab.
Can you use a cab and internal speaker at the same time?
Yes you can. JUst make sure you use the correct speaker outputs, and don't use a mismatched load.
I have a hughs and kettner 2x12 16ohm and can use all three at once. If its not a 16ohms cab you shouldn't use internal speaker at the same time.can but shouldn't!!
You don’t say where the Master is set????
Dude! That's crazy that you need the mids cut. I'm gonna try it. Thank you!
Yep. I never would have figured that either.
@@zeusdogstudios2740 I used your settings and got *really* close. It's crazy! Stock DSL40CR, EVH Wolfgang with a USA bridge pickup.
Lotta' guitarists think ya gotta crank the drive/distortion up full tilt to get a good heavy tone, or "Brown Sound". You don't. Most of the famous heavy/metal guitar tones have bin achieved by a much cleaner tone you can imagine, but when layered, eq'd, compressed, and have a killer tight drum and bass behind it, it suddenly becomes "Back in Black" and "Master of Puppets"! Sean Black