I think Elsa also stands out because since we've had a lot of "quirky" Disney leads similar to Anna during the revival era. "Wish" has had people talking about this lately, and Elsa stands out because she's much more composed and serious.
Honestly, I prefer Nani & Lilo over the Frozen sisters. Flawed, like any other sibling relationships, yet more wholesome than the one Elsa & Anna have.
I could be wrong, but this may be because Nani and Lilo's relationship is the B-story. Anna and Elsa's relationship is the main story in their film, so there was more pressure for it to be polished. Plus Nani and Lilo didn't grow up isolated from each other, so vastly different situation. Anna and Elsa is like finding out you have a half sibling out there that you never knew about.
@OpticalSorcerer With all due respect, you are wrong. Lilo's and Nani's interactions are just way more wholesome and realistic. Plus, Lilo is one of the best written child characters ever. Anna's and Elsa's interactions, however, are just cold and boring. They don't exactly talk like a more realistic pair of sisters. Please watch the dressing room deleted scene if you want a perfect example of how Anna and Elsa should interact. Also, they're too stiff with each other in Frozen II.
I always got the impression Elsa never really *liked* Anna. As in, Anna loves her and wants to be close to her, while Elsa just…doesn’t care about her but pretends to because they’re sisters
I half agree. I always felt like Elsa growing up isolated made her unsure how to act. I think she loves Anna, but sometimes she makes herself speak or act in a way that Anna can interpret as reciprocated feelings.
I wouldn’t say that Elsa doesn’t care for her, but I do believe that she doesn’t like Anna. Like she loves her and wants the best for her, but she is not someone she actively wants in her company. She puts on the charade of liking her to make her happy, while being comstantly annoyed behind the mask.
I think Elsa undeniably loves her but their ways of displaying affection are vastly different. Anna wants to always be together whereas Elsa loves having her own space and that's why they clash lmao Elsa did set up a gigantic party for Anna and you really can't argue that she's "pretending to like her only because they're sisters" since all of the presents she was giving her were quite thoughtful. If anything I'd say it's obvious Elsa compromises and does things she's probably uncomfortable with just to keep her sister happy (like having sleepovers or playing charades, etc)
I remember when Frozen 2 came out and someone said they appreciated Elsa atill struggling with her identity because progress isn't linear. I've gotta agree; both Anna and Elsa had serious trauma, and now Elsa needs to work on being a better sister and Anna a better girlfriend/fiance (because she just LEFT Kristoff without telling him anything).
It’s even pointed out on the Cinema Therapy episode on Elsa & Anna that they haven’t done a 180 turn on their character development, which is believable as many of us struggle to change & it would take time for us to improve ourselves in the real world.
@@LegendaryaireI think the praise comes from them being unconventional and exploring seperation not usually seen in "kids movies" and the lengths they go for each other. Elsa was traumatized over hurting Anna and didn't want to do so again.
To being completely fair, he kind of left without telling her, and that’s what caused her to leave. I feel like everyone needs to work on being better. I mean there was a part where she asked where he was before they left.
I think the "worst" way to view Frozen is by selecting a favorite sister to side with because that way you lose sight of the bigger picture, which ALWAYS happens. People who prefer Elsa always excuse her worst choices by blaming her mental illness whilst forgetting Anna struggles similarly (but she displays it differently) whereas people who prefer Anna never stop seeing her as the eternal victim by the hands of an uncaring sister. You really cannot pick a side without completely missing what makes Frozen so interesting and complex in the first place. The main point is that sisterhood comes in all shapes and sizes but Anna and Elsa's situation is so far removed from most people's realities that it's very, very difficult to see the whole picture for what it is without assigning fault to either of them and then claiming that their bond is nonexistent. Most people don't have siblings who completely ignore your existence as a child but then come out of nowhere and try to speak to you as if nothing had happened, but for those of us who do, their relationship is quite accurate. It's strained and it takes a LOT of work for it to, well, work, and it usually only ever comes in adulthood. They're not meant to represent the perfect image of sisterhood for little girls or the struggles of an elder sister looking after a younger sister (like Nani and Lilo), but they do represent a hilariously small subset of the population of siblings who were miraculously able to overcome the strain during their childhood/teenage years but who eventually found each other again in adulthood and finally fixed the differences they had.
@@juicebox7372 I mean, the whole conflict is caused by Elsa existing as a human with otherworldly powers controlled by "fear" and "love". When she's with her sister (whom she loves), her powers are as smooth sailing as they can be but when she accidentally hurts her (which only happened because she lost focus out of fear of Anna falling), she's riddled by fear and that feeling completely takes over. Their parents separate them and they never explain Anna as to why she can no longer interact with her sister and Elsa doesn't reach out because she's constantly afraid of hurting her again. As time goes on, Anna is shown to continuously attempt to reach out because she thinks closeness (dialogue, understanding, support) is the solution to their estranged relationship whereas Elsa keeps her at bay because she sees herself as broken and dangerous and as such thinks distance is the solution. Since Anna is completely unaware as to why Elsa shut her out in the first place, she's inquisitive about it and her response to that lack of knowledge is to, well, seek out that information and the only person who can tell her what is wrong is her sister, so she pushes and tries her luck but it backfires, which is when Elsa lashes out at her in the ballroom and reveals the whole thing about her powers by accident. That's when it clicks in Anna's head and she finally realizes that SHE was not the problem and she also realizes that Elsa kept herself at bay out of fear, so once again her response is to go after her and show her support because she feels like she can provide that for her now that she figured what the whole issue was. The biggest hurdle they have to jump over is Elsa's self-built wall which Anna kept constantly trying to climb over and sadly the only way Elsa ever lets her guard down is when she's told that Anna, the whole reason she started isolating and thinking of herself as a monster, had died. Once her guard is down and Hans attempts to murder her, Anna shows up seemingly out of nowhere and jumps in between Elsa and the sword. Sadly that's the only thing that stops Elsa from running and distancing herself, so it isn't until she finally embraces Anna (both literally and metaphorically) that they both heal. Anna doesn't even begin thawing until Elsa initiates contact with her which goes to show that all they really needed to heal was each other; Elsa needed her sister back since she was the one helping her regulate her emotions by being a consistent source of support and Anna needed the confirmation and reaffirmation that all of those years of isolation and ignorance were not because of something she said or did. I'd argue they did fix their differences in Frozen 1, but since healing is not a linear process anyway it all comes crashing back down in Frozen 2; Elsa still struggles with her desire to be alone and free and Anna definitely struggles with her self-worth and how she thinks it's intrinsically linked to how needed she may be by her sister. Do they remotely attempt to address, let alone fix it in Frozen 2? Absolutely tf not lmao
This is definitely I helpful perspective,and that's true both Elsa and Anna are not at fault for there mistakes but doesn't mean they shouldn't be *both* take responsibility for there actions, neither of the sister are bad,just two individuals trying to learn each other's best to make up for what was made for the worst to change and learn for the best 👍
I DO think Elsa genuinely loves Anna but shows her care in a way that ends up not considering Anna’s feelings. She (literally) pushed Anna away with Marshmallow the Snowbeast in Frozen 1 & repeated it with the ice boat in Frozen 2 - you can say she did it to protect her all you want but ultimately, it left Anna feeling hurt & betrayed both times.
I think it’s because after all that isolation, Elsa straight up doesn’t know how to empathize. She hasn’t been around people all that much, and she’s spent so much time worrying about her sister’s health and physical safety, it’s all she knows how to think about. Emotions never even occur to her to factor in, and if they do, it certainly isn’t as high priority. Sure, she factors it in sometimes in social settings, but when push comes to shove, that’s not a priority. I made that mistake with my younger sister a few times when we were little, where I was thinking practically and not about her feelings. And then I saw how much it broke her heart and adjusted my behavior accordingly as we grew older and became close. Elsa hasn’t had that opportunity as a child, and that’s much harder to work through as an adult, partly because Anna is actually grown up enough to not break down sobbing immediately when her feelings are hurt. Elsa probably realizes to some extent that Anna’s upset, but I don’t think she fully understands how serious a rift that is, given how quick she is to brush off her sister’s response. It becomes increasingly frustrating at times where Elsa is right, which is often: shouldn’t she try to find a kinder way to say things? Well, she tries with the marriage to Hans, to speak to her sister privately (I think I’m remembering that right?), and Anna refuses, at which point Elsa starts stumbling over her words and becomes more blunt. In Frozen 2, Elsa repeatedly tries to tell Anna she’s in danger-which is true-and Anna refuses to even hear her out. Anna’s loyalty is amazing, but it’s also blind and stupid at times, as demonstrated in both these situations. She thinks she’s right and won’t listen to reason, and that makes Elsa frustrated and stop trying to take delicate measures to save her feelings, which is difficult for her to begin with. The point being: neither of them understand each other, but both think they’re right and refuse to hear the other out, and so Elsa ends up winning because she’s the one with the power to back up her will. It’s going to come to a head eventually, and it’s going to be ugly when it does, but the awesome thing about these two is that even though they’re flawed, they still love each other and keep choosing to pick up the pieces and try again. I hope eventually this process will lead them to work out their differences, but it could take a while. Sorry, that was really long lol but your comment made me stop and think, and I tend to get excited and ramble.
When you're in panic mode, you tend not to fully think through what you are doing. Anna's only thought would have likely been 'protect Elsa' without any idea as to how. That's just what I think though, I could be wrong.
@@dexterkronos Yeah, I get it. I was mostly pointing out how much of a failure it would’ve been if the curse weren’t broken in that specific way. She’d have gotten her arm sliced open at best, or, triggered Elsa and caused her to impale them all with icicles or something at worst.
Also, she only had seconds to make a decision. What would you have done in that situation in that short of time? Not asking to be disrespectful, I genuinely want to know. No one can make a logical decision in that split second of time that was left.
Funny how this movie is not the first time they tried to show a different "true love" yet this is the only one most people talk about. Lilo and Stitch gave a great story about family and that love changing a creature that was supposed to be a monster. Maleficent took the princess story and made it about how a mother's love is just as true as any, blood or not. Brave shows that, even if our bonds are troubled and strained, the love we have for one another can still come out on top. Even Tangled shows Rapunzel's love and passion for her dream is beautiful and powerful. Frozen did a good job too, but it isn't the first and isn't even the best at it.
I actually thought the relationship was worse in the second one. Maybe that’s because the plot held up Elsa over Anna. For literally the whole film, they had their mother singing to only Elsa about how special she was, while Anna stood there without a clue as to what was going on, while Elsa blew her off in search of her great destiny. Anna didn’t get nearly as much closure about their parents either. There was a scene where Anna gets to see a memory of her parents saying how special and loving she is, but it got cut. At least in the end of the first movie, Elsa learned to have love and responsibility toward the people she cares about. But it felt like the second one undid all that by having Elsa running off on her own again and then leaving her kingdom and loved ones in the end to run around in the forest. I am aware that this may be an unpopular opinion, but being that Anna was my favorite character in the first movie, the second one frustrated me.
This is a fair assessment. I praise part 2 for a more serious tone and great animation and music, but the story had a lot of moving parts. I also hate how this does nothing to argue against critics who say Agnarr was a terrible father--they just focus on Iduna instead, despite both of them having the same amount of screentime in the 1st film. If I had to guess, Jennifer Lee (the screenwriter who also journaled as the girls for months to get into their headspace) saw Elsa as needing the most closure; Anna had made peace with only having Elsa because she got to interact with her parents under happier circumstances--possibly more often than Elsa, who grew to wanting to be alone due to her fear of others. Anna's main arc was part 1, with the aftermath of this (her codependency in response to her trauma) being in part 2. Elsa's arc was more than just dealing with her powers (I think that by the beginning of Frozen 2, she saw it as quirky, and usually just did small things with it rather than the grander things she did by the end of the film), but learning to love them, as they were given to her via the power of love--which I'm still kinda off about; this film should've been a miniseries to convey all the messages/stories.
@@OpticalSorcerer I get what you’re saying, and yes, I think a series would have worked better because the sequel just had so much going on. With regard to Anna and her parents, I think we needed some scenes with them together. Because I honestly got the impression that the parents were so busy dealing with Elsa that they didn’t have much time to be with Anna. It seemed from the first movie that Elsa suffered from being pressured and isolated, while Anna suffered from being ignored.
@@kristenkortright2921 Yeah, more scenes would've been nice--of course, this is in retrospect; Disney had never made a film of their own that amassed $1 billion. I do hopw in the future they invest in long-term films that lead up to something rather than each story and sequel being open-and-closed. I definitely think Anna was lonely, but given the first film, I always assumed this was due to her seperation from Elsa, who she remembers being close to. However, Anna saw her parents (I assume) the same amount as before her incident, so it doesn't feel weird to her, especially being a royal. Hopefully part 3 is a bit more cohesive, but I am worried since Jennifer Lee isn't the writer. At least she had good things to say about it when she met with the team!
WHAT. I'VE. BEEN. SAYING. Literally, my five-year-old self sitting in the theater fell in love with Anna's undying gratitude. But then I discovered that all the other little girls loved Elsa because she had magic powers. Since then I think it's just become a thing for me, I cannot stand Elsa because she's such a bad sister and everyone just ignores it because she sings the best song, has the pretty dress, and has ice powers.
I love Anna. she is the best character in the whole franchise for me. Sure she needs to work on being better in some areas, but she has room to improve. I can also tell that she wants to. I think after this one, she’s starting to recognize her flaws and is looking to fix them. I also think she’s so underrated. Everyone likes to point out her flaws, but no one else’s. She completely deserves to be queen. I think the responsibility will be difficult at first, but it’ll help her grow into the person that I know she wants to be. I was 10 when it came out, the first one I mean, and I felt so kind of insecure about her being my favorite character, and I never really told anyone that she was because I felt like I had to love Elsa more because everyone else did. This typist, Anna was always my favorite character, even if secretly.
In 1st movie Anna was doing the most heavy lifting then in 2nd Elsa. I think both now understand what they want and what to expect from each other. Hence for 3rd movie my pitch is Queen Anna and Elsa help against invasion by Han (the prince) with mythological antagonist as sub villain. I want Anna & Elsa waiting to be together in 3rd movie but external force obstructing them. In previous movies both tried to do there own things especially Elsa. There was a distance btw them sort of. So this will reflect their growth and will also give us the greatest assest of Frozen franchise back i.e the sisters love for each other. Furthermore, this time Elsa too earning to stay together. We see at climax both reuniting and Elsa wiping off the whole army. Everyone rejoice! At the end Elsa choose to to stay with Anna and both sisters r back!!
Always found the Marshmallow bodyguard scene jarring. He doesn’t just throw them out, he chases them to the point of their jumping off a cliff. Anna could have died. Would’ve if it weren’t for the snow she landed on. Also knowing her sister was struck and could die, does Elsa seek out the trolls that helped with this before? No, she just sits around and hopes for the best. But I guess that one scene where they shared their love of chocolate really had an impact.
I honestly believe Anna's and Elsa's dynamic is flat and shallow. Their interactions are just cold and boring. For example, Anna is perfectly content with Elsa having powers during their separation and does not question it whatsoever. She's like, "Okay, my sister had powers this whole time. I'm perfectly fine with this." Compare the sisters to Moses and Rameses who have an absolutely amazing dynamic. Their chariot race was so wholesome, and their standoff during the plagues was absolutely phenomenal. Once all but one of the plagues are over, Moses just wants to talk and temporarily forget about everthing else that's happening. And that's exactly what the brothers do. I honestly wish Anna and Elsa had a scene where they watch a sunrise together and just talk.
Elsa was originally-supposed to be a morally-gray villain just like Rameses. But then Let It Go happened and Disney felt that Elsa was so much "better" off being a "misunderstood heroine" instead. And that became not only one of Disney's biggest mistakes, but also one of the dumbest creative choices they've ever made. 🤦♀
@1992disney I know. At least 80% of all of us know too well that Elsa was originally going to be the villain of Frozen. There's a deleted scene where that actually happened, and most of the comments were people saying villain Elsa would've been awesome. Sadly, Disney wasn't brave enough to go through with this idea, which is a shame because Disney used to be so good at getting dark or scary in their movies. That's why The Hunchback of Notre Dame gets praised like crazy. Oh, well.
So I have several complaints about the whole Elsa and Anna sister relationship. So the King and Queen of Arendelle forced Elsa to contain her powers and emotions while staying out of Anna's life from when the girls were 5 and 8. So for 10 years, Elsa has been holed up in her room for all that time. So from age 5 to 15 Anna has been exploring the castle and hasn't seen her sister for 10 year. And on Coronation day the sister reunited for a party and Elsa was ready to close the castle gate forever after Anna gets engaged. Elsa's ice powers and her emotions come out and Anna is just worried about her sister. Elsa lashes out at Anna a second time when she was trying to help her older sister who doesn't know how to unfreeze everything. The relationship didn't mend until the end. The relationship seemed one sided for the first movie. Elsa was better with the relationship in the second movie but not to the extent Anna's side. Basically I blame the parents for their crappy sisterly relationship.
something about their characterisation always felt off to me. Elsa is never at fault for anything (always an accident, always she had the best intentions and just coulnd't know the dangers and whatnot) while Anna is better, but ... just why? Why is she still insisting? Elsa doesn't hate her, but their bond isn't the best.
I don't like how in the sequel Elsa sends Anna away again when she was helping her, abandons her duty as queen, and gives it to the same person who was SO NAIVE and UNWISE that she was going to marry someone she just met and upstage her sister's coronation party
I'm not sure if I would call their relationship one-sided. They both clearly love one another, but they also have very different, and as I would argue, equally unhealthy ways of approaching their love for one another due to the way they were brought up. Elsa was conditioned from the time she was a small child to not trust herself and to believe that she had to distance herself to protect others. Meanwhile, Anna was neglected as a child not only by Elsa, but apparently by her parents as well who kept secrets from her and dedicated most of their time to keeping Elsa in check. The way both girls were raised clearly colors the way they approach their relationship in adulthood. When something goes wrong or appears unsafe, Elsa's first reaction is to cut herself off, as we see throughout Frozen and the point in the second film when she sends Anna away for her safety. On the other hand, Anna is devoted to the point of being clingy --- wanting to stay close to Elsa for fear that she will lose the only family she has left. IMO her character development in Frozen II is important because she's faced with losing Elsa forever --- the person into whom she has placed pretty much all of her energy and self-worth --- and has to figure out how to deal with that. To figure out what she's fighting for if she isn't fighting for Elsa. Elsa is a lot more independent because she's HAD to be. She was forced to give up her childhood early and feels like she has to bear her burdens alone. While we do see her finally come into her own and find her purpose in the second film, I'd definitely like to see a future film where perhaps Elsa has to learn to trust and rely on others a bit more. I do totally agree that Anna is the true hero of the Frozen franchise and deserves a lot more love than she gets. And maybe their bond isn't as "wholesome" as marketing would suggest. But I also don't want to diminish how strong Elsa and Anna's bond is or how much they love each other. Their relationship is complicated, and definitely flawed, but that doesn't make it bad imo. It just makes it more real.
Honestly, I think now that Ana has to be removed from Elsa, having to rule the kingdom in all, will be better for her. She’ll be able to grow as her own person while still being able to correspond with her sister. and also Elsa can be herself. I think the ending of frozen two worked out best for everyone.
I kinda have to laugh at how the sequel spits in the face of the first movie's ending, same as toy story 4 to 3. Like yeah, Elsa has become accepted by the kingdom and is reconstructing her bond with Anna while also learning to have friends in Kristoff, Sven, and Olaf. But HEY why don't we ship her off to the edges of the earth to become an elemental force of nature while abdicating the throne and yet again separating her from her sister and her new friends! Granted I like the second movie's ending more than the first because it feels more natural but still...
I agree with you. I'm not hating on the film but or chacters but can you really call a it an amazing sister bond when they don't talk? Like at from ages like idk 10 to adult? I know elsa had her problemee and I understand I mean it in a way yeah when someone has issues and is ignoring you bc of it you don't have a good bond in my opinion.
Elsa was supposed to be a villain. When the song, "Let it go," was shown to be sung by Elsa, the creators thought she should be a hero or a misunderstood character. Her being neglectful makes sense for her original arc.
I don't blame neither of Elsa and Anna,I'd rather just criticize and question the writers of the fine show since when you think about it,there are so many potential from both frozen 1 and 2 that has been shown through the cut clips that could have been on the show and made a better evolvement for literally all of the character's
I whole heartedly agreed. True love doesn’t look that this. Andy had more love and care for his toys that he didn’t know were alive than Elsa has for Anna. There’s this TH-camr called Lydia the Bard, and she makes evil song versions of all the princesses, and her version of Anna made way more sense than the movie. But I suppose having sisters turn on another due to neglect isn’t marketable to families. But having Anna become the true “evil snow queen” I just love it. Maybe the second movie could of been about Elsa growing as a person. And Anna still struggling with the fact she low key misses her sister despite it all, but trying to “ let that go”. Then the third be them making amends. Idk.
I very much agree with the video and honestly can't remember ever thinking that Elsa and Anna's sisterly relationship is particularly good. And with time it's become very clear to me just how one-sided it is. Sure, it makes sense that after all that trauma and long separation their bond couldn't be very strong, but it's the rather one-sided efforts on Anna's part that concern me the most. Especially after watching the sequel. And I should know because their relationship kind of resembles me and my sister's own (it's definitely more affectionate than ours though). With me being the younger one desperately trying to maintain and improve it now that we're adults while my big sis has become rather indifferent and distant, only really tolerating my efforts but not quite reciprocating. So watching Frozen and especially Frozen II feels like a punch in the gut, not gonna lie. I half agree with people who say that Nani and Lilo's relationship as sisters is much better. I mean yeah, it is, but it's also hard to compare considering their big age gap on top of them being orphans, meaning Nani also plays the role of a parent to Lilo, not just a normal sister. Even just the fact that one is already a young adult while the other is still a child makes a big difference in their dynamic compared to the Frozen sisters who are closer in age and are supposed to be more like best friends than anything. Just a thought. It's good that we're finally tackling the issue of sisters' portrayal in media. In my opinion, for some reason the best sibling relationships with the strongest bonds we see in fiction are usually those between brothers. It might just be my purely subjective view as I usually relate to male characters better anyway, but seriously, I struggle to find fictional sisters comparable to, say, Ed and Al (Fullmetal Alchemist) or Mario and Luigi (especially now after the new Super Mario Bros. Movie), or most iterations of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I guess Encanto' three sisters get along well enough after the conflict between Mirabel and Isabela is resolved, but sadly we don't know enough to really tell how close the three of them are. Arcane has some well-written characters and the main two sisters' relationship is no exception, but even that's not the best example as it's of the complicated and tragic variety. So if anyone has any recommendations please share 😀
I regret clicking on this because I'm pissed for not noticing how one-sided Ana and Elsa's relationship is. It's as plain as day too where Ana is reaching out constantly wanting to play and spend time with Elsa. And Elsa out of fear won't recepricate. And they could've fixed this, but I doubt they had the time.
i was so little when frozen came out and literally last night my sister and i got alcohol markers called ohuhus and my sister was like "yoohoo" and i said "BIG SUMMER BLOWOUT !!!" and we just burst out laughing cos frozen was and IS still so iconic then we watched frozen again for the first time in forever
@@jaydenc367 The source is that you made it tf up. Like always. The movie is garbage, Anna and Elsa are dysfunctional for the most embarassingly forced reasons. One is a dizzy bimbo who acts like she's codepedent from this aloof spinster, the other is too busy crying over herself. And you fell for it.
@@jaydenc367 What "source" ??? You made it up, like always. One is a codependent bimbo, the other is a self-pitying spinster, completely dysfunctional and broken up for a dumb reason created by the trolls.
I don’t deny that pop culture phenomenon Frozen was when the first movie came out. I had an aversion to ‘Let it Go’ because when my fellow female classmates, the girls would play Let It Go constantly on their phones and try to sing along to the lyrics. Quite horribly I might add, screeching at the top of their lungs. Since it would be played at different times and out of sync, I thought for awhile this was the closest thing to what hell sounds like (sorry middle school classmates) and couldn’t listen to the song for about five years because my brain had developed a mental reflex of starting to hurt whenever I heard it. 😅
I wish Elsa had been the villain in Frozen - it's a wasted opportunity! Also, Anna is codependent to the point of making me really uncomfortable about her relationship with Elsa - no hate but she seems almost obsessed with her especially in Frozen 2?
I just hope that in the movie of Shrek 5, once Disney buys DreamWorks, all the Official Disney Princes and Princesses from their respective movies appear, especially all the characters from the movie of Rise of the Guardians, from the movies of Frozen, from the movies of How to Train Your Dragon, from the movie of Brave, from the movie of Tangled, from the movie of Moana, from the movie of Raya and the Last Dragon, from the movie of Encanto and the most important character in the movie of The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea, Melody, the daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, and besides, they will be the new main characters of the movie of Shrek 5 so that they help Shrek, Princess Fiona, Donkey, Dragon, Puss in Boots, Kitty Softpaws, Perrito, Goldilocks, the Three Bears, Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany, King Artie, Princess Guinevere, the children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, the children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and the others to defeat Rumpelstiltskin, Death and all the Official Villains of Disney and DreamWorks, as The Evil Queen, Lady Tremaine, Drizella Tremaine, Maleficent, Marina del Rey, Ursula, Gaston LeGume, Maestro Forte, Jafar, Sa'luk, Governor John Ratcliffe, Shan Yu, Dr. Facilier, Mother Gothel, Zhan Tiri, Te Kā, Tamatoa, the Red Death, Drago Bludvist, Grimmel the Grisly, Mor'du, Prince Hans, Pitch Black, the Druun, the Soldiers and Morgana, and to prevent Rumpelstiltskin, Death and the other Official Villains of Disney and DreamWorks from ruling and destroying the kingdom of Princess Fiona and King Artie called Far Far Away, Shrek along with his wife named Princess Fiona will need help from their new friends which are the Official Disney Princes and Princesses, as Prince Florian, Princess Snow White, Prince Charming, Princess Cinderella, Prince Philip, Princess Aurora, Prince Eric, Princess Ariel, Prince Adam, Princess Belle, Prince Aladdín, Princess Jasmine, Prince John Smith, Princess Pocahontas, Prince Li Shang, Princess Fa Mulan, Prince Naveen, Princess Tiana, Prince Flynn Rider, Princess Rapunzel, Maui, Queen Moana Waialiki, Hiccup Haddock, Princess Merida, Kristoff Bjorgman, Queen Anna, Jack Frost, Princess Elsa, Princess Raya, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Anastasia Tremaine, Namaari and Melody, although in reality, Melody is the first and only that she is not a true Official Disney Princess along with Namaari and Anastasia Tremaine, because Anastasia Tremaine is not born of royalty, while, Namaari is an Unofficial Disney Princess and Melody made her debut in the movie of The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea and it is also because she is the first and only daughter of an Official Disney Princess, but Shrek, Princess Fiona, Donkey, Dragon, Puss in Boots, Kitty Softpaws, Perrito, Goldilocks, the Three Bears, Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany, King Artie, Princess Guinevere, the children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle, and Felicia, the children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and the others also need Anastasia Tremaine, Namaari and Melody's help to protect and save their kingdom called Far Far Away away from Rumpelstiltskin, Death and the other Official Villains of Disney and DreamWorks, because Anastasia Tremaine and Namaari are now good people and Melody is the daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, but in the movie of Shrek 5, I also want to see the death of Queen Lillian, because since her husband named King Harold passed away in the movie of Shrek 3, she has felt heartbroken and that caused his own death in his kingdom called Far Far Away, and all the inhabitants of Princess Fiona and King Artie's kingdom called Far Far Away are saddened by the death of Queen Lillian, because now she is with her husband named King Harold in heaven, and now they have lost their queen, that means now the kingdom of Far Far Away needs a new queen and King Artie said that his love interest, girlfriend, fiancée and former classmate from Worcestershire school called Princess Guinevere would be the one to be the new Queen of Far Far Away, so King Artie decided to return to his old school called Worcestershire along with Shrek, with his older cousin Princess Fiona, with Donkey, with Dragon, with Puss in Boots, with Kitty Softpaws, with Perrito, with Goldilocks, with the Three Bears, with the children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, with the children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and with the others to meet again with their friends from their school who are actually Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany and their love interest, girlfriend and fiancée Princess Guinevere to take them back to their kingdom called Far Far Away, and in the movie of Shrek 5, I also want to see the romance of all the Official Disney Princes and Princesses from their respective movies, especially the romance of Maui and Queen Moana Waialiki, the romance of Hiccup Haddock and Princess Mérida, the romance of Jack Frost and Princess Elsa, the romance of Prince Lancelot and Princess Tiffany and the romance of King Artie and Princess Guinevere, because I think in the movie of Shrek 5, Maui will be Queen Moana Waialiki's love interest, boyfriend and fiancé, while Hiccup Haddock will be Princess Mérida's love interest and boyfriend, Princess Tiffany will be Prince Lancelot's love interest, girlfriend and fiancée and Princess Guinevere will be King Artie's love interest, girlfriend and fiancée, because Queen Moana Waialiki is going to fall in love with Maui, Princess Mérida is going to fall in love Hiccup Haddock, Princess Tiffany is going to fall in love with Prince Lancelot and Princess Guinevere is going to fall in love with King Artie, but they don't know how to tell them their feelings towards them and neither how to win their hearts, because every time Queen Moana Waialiki gets too close to Maui when it comes to true love, she gets very nervous with him, while which in the case of Princess Mérida is also the same, because whenever Princess Mérida gets too close to Hiccup Haddock when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous with him, in the case of Princess Tiffany it is also the same, because whenever Princess Tiffany gets too close to Prince Lancelot when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous around him, and in the case of Princess Guinevere too, because every time Princess Guinevere gets too close to King Artie when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous around him, but luckily for them, Princess Fiona will help Queen Moana Waialiki to win the heart of Maui, also Princess Mérida to win the heart of Hiccup Haddock, also Princess Tiffany to win the heart of Prince Lancelot and also Princess Guinevere to win the heart of King Artie, and I also want that in the movie of Shrek 5, Jack Frost will be Princess Elsa's love interest and boyfriend, because Jack Frost leaves fall in love with Princess Elsa, but he doesn't know how to tell her his feelings and how to win her heart, because every time Jack Frost gets too close to Princess Elsa when it comes to true love, he gets very nervous with her, but fortunately for him, Shrek will help Jack Frost to win the heart of Princess Elsa, except Princess Raya, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Goldilocks, Namaari and Anastasia Tremaine, because now they will be the only Official Disney Princesses who do not need to have love interests and who can remain single forever, and I also say the same for Melody, the daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, because like her adoptive aunts Princess Raya, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Goldilocks, Namaari and Anastasia Tremaine, she doesn't need a love interest either, but in the movie of Shrek 5, I also want to see the rivalry between King Artie and Queen Anna because they both want to compete in a challenge to see who is the best monarch a of a kingdom, that is, the best ruler of a kingdom, because both want to do what is best for their own kingdom, because King Artie wants to do what is best for his kingdom called Far Far Away because now he is the new King of Far Far Away and Queen Anna wants to do the best for their kingdom called Arendelle because now she is the new Queen of Arendelle, but at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, King Artie and Queen Anna become best friends in the world, because at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, they both learned from their mistakes that they have made since their challenge to compete to see who is the best monarch of a kingdom, that is, the best ruler of a kingdom, and that at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, King Artie and Princess Guinevere see their first true love kiss and that they become a romantic couple, just like Prince Lancelot and Princess Tiffany, and also that at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, Maui, Hiccup Haddock, Kristoff Bjorgman, Jack Frost, Prince Lancelot and King Artie become the new official members of the Official Disney Princes, while Queen Anna, Princess Elsa, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Goldilocks, Namaari, Anastasia Tremaine, Princess Tiffany and Princess Guinevere become the new official members of the Official Disney Princesses and that one day, Princess Tiffany will be the wife of Prince Lancelot and that they have a son and a daughter, that is, a family in the future, and that also Princess Guinevere is the wife of King Artie, that they also have a son and a daughter, that is, a family and that she becomes the new Queen of Far Far Away in the future.
Hot take: Frozen isn't the new classic, Tangled is. Tangled was a step into new direction, Frozen just flaunted scintillating dress at children, "Nobody understands me!" at teens, and paper-thin, surface level morals on the adults. None other Disney classic is this shallow. Frozen isn't a brand even, it's just a product.
Anna leading all the changes, fixes, and actions make sense since the direction for the character of Elsa was made last minute (from evil to misunderstood). Elsa was suppose to be the villain, but after they heard the Lopez's song "Let It Go" and how empowering it was, that's when they changed Elsa's character.
i cant tell how much i dislike the first frozen and i find it hard to choose my favorite of them and frozen is one of the few movis where the sequel is way better then the first one
Still Elsa is my favorite sister of the two. Similar to personality of Kagami Tsurugi and Marinette Dupain-Cheng of Miraculous. Elsa - Kagami Anna - Marinette Even with towards love. Anna falling for Hans as Marinette stupidly did for Adrien. When Krisoff as Luka are better for them. Honestly I ship Hans/Elsa as I highly do Adrigami. The usual Smarty Pants, your videos are deeply fun. 😹😻 Everyone have a blessed Monday October 9, 2023 at 9:09AM. 🔥🌸🔥🌸
Thank you for seeing that Luka is better for Marinette. I ship them so hard. I feel that he could help her fix her flaws, and I know he would be more supportive to her than anyone else is currently. I feel like the main thing holding Marinette back as a character is the writing. There were plenty of times in season two and I think even once in season three, when she did seem like she was finally ready to give up on Adrian, but then something always pushed her back into crazy, uncontrollable love mode. I think it was mainly the peer pressure that pushed her back into trying to pursue Adrien, that, and the fact that the creators already wanted them together in the end, so they’re trying to push the narrative in that direction despite natural progression. As in, I don’t think Marinette is perfect, but all of this horrible characterization she is given is not entirely her fault. If you look at episodes like 2x20, Frozer, and 3x21, Cat Blanc, her friends really do put a lot of pressure on her to confess, and I feel like if they didn’t, she could probably find and control her feelings better. Also, the latter of these two episodes also reveal why they absolutely should not be together, her, and Adrian I mean. I relate to Marinette so much. Not so much in the love department, but in the whole insecurity department. Also, I did once have a dream to be a designer, but I had to give it up, because of the fact that I am visually impaired, not really relevant to my argument, here, but just another way in which I relate to her because of the fact that that was once my dream. I really connected to her as a character, and I know she could be better if Everyone would just let her truly discover herself, both supporting characters and the writers. Also, it is really funny that you relate Elsa to Kagami because Marinette did once call her the ice queen. And they are both not allowed to freely express their emotions, Elsa by herself, and Kagami by Asian culture. I know how she feels in that regard, because I’m not Japanese, but I am from a culture that has Asian roots, and we two are held to high standards. There’s a lot more that I could say, but I’m probably annoying you enough by how long this comment already is. Also, forgive me for any misspellings or weird grammatical errors, I’m using dictation, and sometimes I can’t catch all of my errors.
@@selinapersaud7629 No it's fine. You weren't annoying me, hwy we have to rant then rant on. 😻 Thanks for understanding. That was actually Kagami's misguided nickname 'Ice Queen' but of course Marinette stopped saying it after the two blunettes became good friends. ADRIGAMI Lukanette Felbrina Ninoé Mylivan Nathaniel/Lila Marc/Juleka Kim/Alix
I’m sorry I’m leaving so many comments but also, about the parenting. There is a novel, where some of their actions are explained. I don’t agree with their actions, but they really were trying to find a way to help behind-the-scenes. It just led to some pretty tragic consequences both before, and after they died.
@@1992disney never said it did, I just was trying to say that there was more to it. With monarchs, and with parents, there just seems to be no way to make the right decision. any decision that is made will lead to bad outcome.
Okay so. Frozen 1 anna I don’t know how she still loves Elsa after SHUTTING HER OUT and FREEZING HER HEART. That would be more of a villain arc. I fell out with my brother from young age so I could relate to that story. I hoped one day we could reunite but wounds are too deep to heal, I LOVED the fact Elsa was like ‘fuck it’ at the end. Running away from Anna and her problems. I like how they got separated not all siblings are happy ep ever after. HATED ANNNNNNA so clingy and it’s annoying. What really pisses E off is that’s SHES QUEEN. IF HANS JUST STAYED ABD FUCKED UP THEN HE WOULD HAVE BEEN KING. that just felt like middle finger to him. Hans one my favourite characters. I would prefer him being king than kristoff. Even in early concept frozen 2 kristoff didn’t want to be a duke. He doesn’t fit that role.
😅 finally someone says it they do not have a good sisterly Bond it's only Anna that carries most of the sisterly love Elsa in both movies could care less I mean she cares but it's so one-sided it's not a healthy sister relationship at all and not to mention I'm sorry but the movie both movies are barely about Elsa I mean the second one is supposed to be more about Elsa but it still feels like it's more about Anna the first movie Anna was mostly in the movie the second one again they try to make it seem more about Elsa but it's still felt like more of an Anna movie
Honestly the musical sounds better... Please review it. Is a so much better version of Frozen; and soemthing that we could've gotten to explore Elsa's character more... In my opinion Frozen could've been great, had they explored Elsa as a character more instead of a plot device...
I genuinely don't understand why Elsa is seen as a complex character or a feminist icon. She's probably the blandest Disney character since Hercules and she never does anything worthy of feminist praise other than criticizing Anna for wanting to marry someone she just met (which is strange when you think about the fact that the only Disney Princesses who actually did that were Cinderella and maybe Ariel (although the movie implied that some time had passed between the climax and the wedding). The rest simply declared their love). They really should have kept her as a villain who was created by her inner demons, or maybe taken over by the devil's mirror from the source material, the one that turned Kai into nasty prick, which would give Anna the task of redeeming her sister.
Speaking of, real disappointment that we didn’t get a more accurate adaptation of The Snow Queen. That story was a classic to me and if they wanted a feminist icon - Gerda’s one of few fairy tale protagonists that are a. Female and b. Isn’t a damsel in any form. It was *right there* Disney!
YESSS! thank you!!! Anna is the heroine of these movies. if only she had gotten a big song in the sequel. Did Elsa really need 2? Idina Menzel is fantastic, no doubt, but people get mesmerized by the supper pretty voice and sparkly ice powers. They feel so sad for her and her childhood trauma, that they forget Elsa hasn’t really done anything to prove herself. the sequel is better for Elsa’s character, but she’s got a lot of emotional and social growth to work on.
I think the only way i would watch Frozen 3 is if it was about Anna and Kristoffs kid who also has powers, even if it wouldn't work with the whole "5 spirits" thing
yeah...lila and nani had aetter relationship...and anna did do the heavy lifting..not gonna lie I was confused as all hell at the end of the movie with elsa suddenly realizing love can fix the problem despite not even having a real proper conversation with anna throughout the film and anna being the one to save her. I think what also disappointed me in the frist movie is hans and kristoff could have been used to help teach each sister about the other spoint of view even when they werent around eachother...kristoff was isolating himself from society and felt soem freedom from it and talked about reindeers being better than people, and was explaining why anna trying to marry a man she just met wasnt the best idea becuase you hae to get to know people more than that. and how he loved the ice and apppreciated teh workman ship of teh castle like how anna liked the powers and saw the good in it. that could have echoed how more on elsa who ran away and was trying to feel free away from society and how both deeo down might want to interact with people again but dont know how. and him being the kid who witnessed the rocktrolls explaining the situation when anna got hurt and how elsa was scared seeing the vision and how anna got her mind wiped...they could have had anna upset about her memory being wiped and kristoff point out that elsa had been scared and hadnt wanted to hurt her and was following that advice to protect anna and anna could have bounced off of him to explain her feelings about how she had wanted to be there for her sister and was being shut out..but also have anna realize why elsa had acted liek she was naive and wouldntinclude er since anna didnt have the context/didnt remember and that was why elsa kept dismissing anna's valid points. while elsa interacting with hans could have been good because if we take out the evil part...he could show how he was willing to reach out for a connection just to get out of his house and bring up the point of view of a younger sibling and make else take responsibility for hurting anna. and make it were he DOES care about anna but like anna meight have gotten attached quickly because it was a way to get out of his kingdom just like how anna clung to hans so she woldnt be lonely in worry over elsa closing the castle again. bring a outsider perspetive and how he didnt have a good relationship with his siblings but anna does want one with elsa and what happens because elsa just wont talk to anna...use how he was given the silent treatment for years by his brothers as a joke. kristoff can point to why elsa might want to isolate to anna, while hans could get across to elsa how her actions have been hurting anna. and have it where the kiss doesnt work but hans isnt evil just becuase they dont know eachotehr that well where elsa doesnt WANT to be right because it means anna will die/freeze. though theme wise it does match how in the original snowqueen the little girl's best friend suddenly got mean and was pushing her away due to the metaphorical puberty when in reality he was going through teh changes of teh icemirror in his eye and then she had to go and save him from the icequeen without him doing that much compared to her to fix the relationship becuase he was trapped...and how you shouldnt just give up on people who are oushing you away becuase alot of the times thats when they need your help the most
Yeah, elsa isnt really a good role model of little girls. She is better as a role model to show what bad parenting and traumatic experiences can do to a person, which is probably why a lot of neurodivergent and lgbt+ people felt connected to the movie. Im autistic, non binary and have adhd. And a lot of these themes did resonate with me. "Leave me alone", "i don't want to hurt you", "i don't know what to do", "i messed up and dont know how to fix it", "conceal, don't feel". That's what a pretty big part of my childhood and adulthood are like. Masking and hiding who you are, just wanting to be left alone because nobody would understand you, trying to mimic socially acceptable behavior because nobody tells you these things or why you need to do specific things a specific way. It's exhausting and if you're a kid with parents who don't really do a good job at accommodating your needs, it can easily be traumatizing. One experience i had was a birthday party. It was my birthday and we had people over. I just got this new ds game that I loved. And then my parents told me to let one of the other kids play my brand new ds game on my personal ds on my birthday. He completely ruined my save file. And to this day my parents refuse to believe that that ever happened and they refuse to apologize. It traumatized me to a degree where i don't feel comfortable with people touching my stuff at all because what if they'll ruin it again? Nobody is ever allowed to play my games without HEAVY supervision and ill yank it out of their hands if they do something that might mess up my save file. And I have several more examples, all of which basically resulted in "don't fucking touch my stuff because I don't want to loose anything".
Anna and Elsa's bond to me feels written by a single child who idealizes having a sibling. It doesn't feel really earned, especially because the movie doesn't spend as much time as time should showing their bond. They TALK about it, but we see little of it. Plus, I think both of these characters are badly written. I could argue Anna is also pretty selfish as she hardly aknowledges Elsa's needs and makes a whole scene on SOMEONE ELSE'S CORONATION in front of leaders of other kingdoms.
This is why I weirdly like the "they are not biological sisters" thoery from... well... film theory. 😅 And it was actually Elsa and Repunzel who are the real sisters. I think Elsa and Repunzel would actually be better sisters, just because they have a nearly shared experience. That being their parents isolating them from the world because of their powers. The more you think about it, the more you feel Rapunzel would be able to help Elsa as a person. As the former, although was told to hide her powers, doesn't fear it. And despite the isolation, Repunzle stayed positive and hopeful. There's a sense that Elsa isn't meeting Anna in the middle, and opening up to her, because of the powers. Maybe because Anna wouldn't know how to relate or understand what Elsa is feeling. Hense the latter keeps to herself. But Repunzel does. Even of her's can help people. Gothel is right about how it's knowledge still puts her in danger. And the relatability would help Elsa open up more. Shuch a shame they never had at least a cross over so Elsa and Repunzel get to talk and help each other.
Anna and Elsa's relationship was always odd to me. I am the younger sister of 2 girls, my parents had no other kids, we are the same set up as Anna and Elsa. We would never act the way they do. Furthermore, i dont know any sisters that act the way they act. Especially after all that neglect from Elsa, I feel like any normal person would have gotten resentful and angry... but Anna acts like its all okay and takes her right back in... its odd... Still, i love the movie and suspend my logic for the parts that make no sense. Like we do with a lot of movies... this is 1 of the things they need us to accept so that the plot works.
Well, these two certainly aren't Bluey and Bingo. Even in the flashback, Anna wanted to do something with Elsa and Elsa was just humoring Anna. Really, they should just go their separate ways. Anna saved Elsa and in a way herself. Anna's relationship with Kristoff needs more attention since there was chemistry between the two.
I mean, their whole relationship is running away from trusting people and anna racing around cleaning up messes. If you want to truly deep dive, it can be likened to an abusive relationship with anna always running back to elsa, and even throwing away kristoff's relationship in that, Also no hate, but not movies i like to watch lmao. some of the songs are banging though.
I'm not watching this video because I have a feeling that you're probably moreso trying to ruin Frozen for everyone rather than actually making a video stating your opinion.
Anna makes the story work.
Elsa makes the merchandising work.
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I think Elsa also stands out because since we've had a lot of "quirky" Disney leads similar to Anna during the revival era. "Wish" has had people talking about this lately, and Elsa stands out because she's much more composed and serious.
Anna always be taking one for the team 😔✊
Nah Elsa is a important part of the story too
Honestly, I prefer Nani & Lilo over the Frozen sisters. Flawed, like any other sibling relationships, yet more wholesome than the one Elsa & Anna have.
I could be wrong, but this may be because Nani and Lilo's relationship is the B-story. Anna and Elsa's relationship is the main story in their film, so there was more pressure for it to be polished.
Plus Nani and Lilo didn't grow up isolated from each other, so vastly different situation. Anna and Elsa is like finding out you have a half sibling out there that you never knew about.
Same
Nani and Lilo feel more real as sisters
@OpticalSorcerer With all due respect, you are wrong. Lilo's and Nani's interactions are just way more wholesome and realistic. Plus, Lilo is one of the best written child characters ever. Anna's and Elsa's interactions, however, are just cold and boring. They don't exactly talk like a more realistic pair of sisters. Please watch the dressing room deleted scene if you want a perfect example of how Anna and Elsa should interact. Also, they're too stiff with each other in Frozen II.
I agree
I always got the impression Elsa never really *liked* Anna. As in, Anna loves her and wants to be close to her, while Elsa just…doesn’t care about her but pretends to because they’re sisters
I half agree. I always felt like Elsa growing up isolated made her unsure how to act. I think she loves Anna, but sometimes she makes herself speak or act in a way that Anna can interpret as reciprocated feelings.
I wouldn’t say that Elsa doesn’t care for her, but I do believe that she doesn’t like Anna. Like she loves her and wants the best for her, but she is not someone she actively wants in her company. She puts on the charade of liking her to make her happy, while being comstantly annoyed behind the mask.
I think Elsa undeniably loves her but their ways of displaying affection are vastly different. Anna wants to always be together whereas Elsa loves having her own space and that's why they clash lmao Elsa did set up a gigantic party for Anna and you really can't argue that she's "pretending to like her only because they're sisters" since all of the presents she was giving her were quite thoughtful. If anything I'd say it's obvious Elsa compromises and does things she's probably uncomfortable with just to keep her sister happy (like having sleepovers or playing charades, etc)
@@user-lv6fn3jl4m Definitely agree. I feel like Elsa is a bit more willing to compromise because she's worried about hurting Anna.
Just look up what relationships between anxious and avoidant attachment styles are like. You'll probably get a good explanation of their relationship.
I remember when Frozen 2 came out and someone said they appreciated Elsa atill struggling with her identity because progress isn't linear. I've gotta agree; both Anna and Elsa had serious trauma, and now Elsa needs to work on being a better sister and Anna a better girlfriend/fiance (because she just LEFT Kristoff without telling him anything).
It’s even pointed out on the Cinema Therapy episode on Elsa & Anna that they haven’t done a 180 turn on their character development, which is believable as many of us struggle to change & it would take time for us to improve ourselves in the real world.
@@abigailaceves9230 I enjoy a lot of their videos--though their review of "The Little Mermaid" has me with mixed feelings.
The characters are fine the way they are, but they shouldn't be praised as amazing sisters. At least not Elsa. Has she ever done anything for Anna?
@@LegendaryaireI think the praise comes from them being unconventional and exploring seperation not usually seen in "kids movies" and the lengths they go for each other. Elsa was traumatized over hurting Anna and didn't want to do so again.
To being completely fair, he kind of left without telling her, and that’s what caused her to leave. I feel like everyone needs to work on being better. I mean there was a part where she asked where he was before they left.
I think the "worst" way to view Frozen is by selecting a favorite sister to side with because that way you lose sight of the bigger picture, which ALWAYS happens. People who prefer Elsa always excuse her worst choices by blaming her mental illness whilst forgetting Anna struggles similarly (but she displays it differently) whereas people who prefer Anna never stop seeing her as the eternal victim by the hands of an uncaring sister. You really cannot pick a side without completely missing what makes Frozen so interesting and complex in the first place.
The main point is that sisterhood comes in all shapes and sizes but Anna and Elsa's situation is so far removed from most people's realities that it's very, very difficult to see the whole picture for what it is without assigning fault to either of them and then claiming that their bond is nonexistent. Most people don't have siblings who completely ignore your existence as a child but then come out of nowhere and try to speak to you as if nothing had happened, but for those of us who do, their relationship is quite accurate. It's strained and it takes a LOT of work for it to, well, work, and it usually only ever comes in adulthood. They're not meant to represent the perfect image of sisterhood for little girls or the struggles of an elder sister looking after a younger sister (like Nani and Lilo), but they do represent a hilariously small subset of the population of siblings who were miraculously able to overcome the strain during their childhood/teenage years but who eventually found each other again in adulthood and finally fixed the differences they had.
Did they fix anything, though?
Like, really, because if they did please type it in extreme detail because I feel like nothing was really solved
@@juicebox7372 I mean, the whole conflict is caused by Elsa existing as a human with otherworldly powers controlled by "fear" and "love". When she's with her sister (whom she loves), her powers are as smooth sailing as they can be but when she accidentally hurts her (which only happened because she lost focus out of fear of Anna falling), she's riddled by fear and that feeling completely takes over. Their parents separate them and they never explain Anna as to why she can no longer interact with her sister and Elsa doesn't reach out because she's constantly afraid of hurting her again. As time goes on, Anna is shown to continuously attempt to reach out because she thinks closeness (dialogue, understanding, support) is the solution to their estranged relationship whereas Elsa keeps her at bay because she sees herself as broken and dangerous and as such thinks distance is the solution.
Since Anna is completely unaware as to why Elsa shut her out in the first place, she's inquisitive about it and her response to that lack of knowledge is to, well, seek out that information and the only person who can tell her what is wrong is her sister, so she pushes and tries her luck but it backfires, which is when Elsa lashes out at her in the ballroom and reveals the whole thing about her powers by accident. That's when it clicks in Anna's head and she finally realizes that SHE was not the problem and she also realizes that Elsa kept herself at bay out of fear, so once again her response is to go after her and show her support because she feels like she can provide that for her now that she figured what the whole issue was.
The biggest hurdle they have to jump over is Elsa's self-built wall which Anna kept constantly trying to climb over and sadly the only way Elsa ever lets her guard down is when she's told that Anna, the whole reason she started isolating and thinking of herself as a monster, had died. Once her guard is down and Hans attempts to murder her, Anna shows up seemingly out of nowhere and jumps in between Elsa and the sword. Sadly that's the only thing that stops Elsa from running and distancing herself, so it isn't until she finally embraces Anna (both literally and metaphorically) that they both heal. Anna doesn't even begin thawing until Elsa initiates contact with her which goes to show that all they really needed to heal was each other; Elsa needed her sister back since she was the one helping her regulate her emotions by being a consistent source of support and Anna needed the confirmation and reaffirmation that all of those years of isolation and ignorance were not because of something she said or did.
I'd argue they did fix their differences in Frozen 1, but since healing is not a linear process anyway it all comes crashing back down in Frozen 2; Elsa still struggles with her desire to be alone and free and Anna definitely struggles with her self-worth and how she thinks it's intrinsically linked to how needed she may be by her sister. Do they remotely attempt to address, let alone fix it in Frozen 2? Absolutely tf not lmao
This is definitely I helpful perspective,and that's true both Elsa and Anna are not at fault for there mistakes but doesn't mean they shouldn't be *both* take responsibility for there actions, neither of the sister are bad,just two individuals trying to learn each other's best to make up for what was made for the worst to change and learn for the best 👍
I DO think Elsa genuinely loves Anna but shows her care in a way that ends up not considering Anna’s feelings. She (literally) pushed Anna away with Marshmallow the Snowbeast in Frozen 1 & repeated it with the ice boat in Frozen 2 - you can say she did it to protect her all you want but ultimately, it left Anna feeling hurt & betrayed both times.
I think it’s because after all that isolation, Elsa straight up doesn’t know how to empathize. She hasn’t been around people all that much, and she’s spent so much time worrying about her sister’s health and physical safety, it’s all she knows how to think about. Emotions never even occur to her to factor in, and if they do, it certainly isn’t as high priority. Sure, she factors it in sometimes in social settings, but when push comes to shove, that’s not a priority.
I made that mistake with my younger sister a few times when we were little, where I was thinking practically and not about her feelings. And then I saw how much it broke her heart and adjusted my behavior accordingly as we grew older and became close. Elsa hasn’t had that opportunity as a child, and that’s much harder to work through as an adult, partly because Anna is actually grown up enough to not break down sobbing immediately when her feelings are hurt. Elsa probably realizes to some extent that Anna’s upset, but I don’t think she fully understands how serious a rift that is, given how quick she is to brush off her sister’s response.
It becomes increasingly frustrating at times where Elsa is right, which is often: shouldn’t she try to find a kinder way to say things? Well, she tries with the marriage to Hans, to speak to her sister privately (I think I’m remembering that right?), and Anna refuses, at which point Elsa starts stumbling over her words and becomes more blunt. In Frozen 2, Elsa repeatedly tries to tell Anna she’s in danger-which is true-and Anna refuses to even hear her out. Anna’s loyalty is amazing, but it’s also blind and stupid at times, as demonstrated in both these situations. She thinks she’s right and won’t listen to reason, and that makes Elsa frustrated and stop trying to take delicate measures to save her feelings, which is difficult for her to begin with.
The point being: neither of them understand each other, but both think they’re right and refuse to hear the other out, and so Elsa ends up winning because she’s the one with the power to back up her will. It’s going to come to a head eventually, and it’s going to be ugly when it does, but the awesome thing about these two is that even though they’re flawed, they still love each other and keep choosing to pick up the pieces and try again. I hope eventually this process will lead them to work out their differences, but it could take a while.
Sorry, that was really long lol but your comment made me stop and think, and I tend to get excited and ramble.
@@unintendedmango5825This. I literally agree with everything you said
Agreed.😊
Love it.
I still don’t understand what Anna was thinking trying to stop a sword with her bare hands. She had no idea that it would’ve worked out like it did.
When you're in panic mode, you tend not to fully think through what you are doing. Anna's only thought would have likely been 'protect Elsa' without any idea as to how.
That's just what I think though, I could be wrong.
@@dexterkronos Yeah, I get it. I was mostly pointing out how much of a failure it would’ve been if the curse weren’t broken in that specific way. She’d have gotten her arm sliced open at best, or, triggered Elsa and caused her to impale them all with icicles or something at worst.
I don’t think she cared about it being cut off. All she cared about was protecting her sister.
Also, she only had seconds to make a decision. What would you have done in that situation in that short of time? Not asking to be disrespectful, I genuinely want to know. No one can make a logical decision in that split second of time that was left.
@@selinapersaud7629 Call out to Elsa, try to tackle Hans, try to push/pull Elsa out of the way. Those are pretty much the only other options, I think.
Funny how this movie is not the first time they tried to show a different "true love" yet this is the only one most people talk about.
Lilo and Stitch gave a great story about family and that love changing a creature that was supposed to be a monster.
Maleficent took the princess story and made it about how a mother's love is just as true as any, blood or not.
Brave shows that, even if our bonds are troubled and strained, the love we have for one another can still come out on top.
Even Tangled shows Rapunzel's love and passion for her dream is beautiful and powerful.
Frozen did a good job too, but it isn't the first and isn't even the best at it.
I actually thought the relationship was worse in the second one. Maybe that’s because the plot held up Elsa over Anna. For literally the whole film, they had their mother singing to only Elsa about how special she was, while Anna stood there without a clue as to what was going on, while Elsa blew her off in search of her great destiny. Anna didn’t get nearly as much closure about their parents either. There was a scene where Anna gets to see a memory of her parents saying how special and loving she is, but it got cut. At least in the end of the first movie, Elsa learned to have love and responsibility toward the people she cares about. But it felt like the second one undid all that by having Elsa running off on her own again and then leaving her kingdom and loved ones in the end to run around in the forest. I am aware that this may be an unpopular opinion, but being that Anna was my favorite character in the first movie, the second one frustrated me.
This is a fair assessment. I praise part 2 for a more serious tone and great animation and music, but the story had a lot of moving parts. I also hate how this does nothing to argue against critics who say Agnarr was a terrible father--they just focus on Iduna instead, despite both of them having the same amount of screentime in the 1st film.
If I had to guess, Jennifer Lee (the screenwriter who also journaled as the girls for months to get into their headspace) saw Elsa as needing the most closure; Anna had made peace with only having Elsa because she got to interact with her parents under happier circumstances--possibly more often than Elsa, who grew to wanting to be alone due to her fear of others. Anna's main arc was part 1, with the aftermath of this (her codependency in response to her trauma) being in part 2.
Elsa's arc was more than just dealing with her powers (I think that by the beginning of Frozen 2, she saw it as quirky, and usually just did small things with it rather than the grander things she did by the end of the film), but learning to love them, as they were given to her via the power of love--which I'm still kinda off about; this film should've been a miniseries to convey all the messages/stories.
@@OpticalSorcerer I get what you’re saying, and yes, I think a series would have worked better because the sequel just had so much going on. With regard to Anna and her parents, I think we needed some scenes with them together. Because I honestly got the impression that the parents were so busy dealing with Elsa that they didn’t have much time to be with Anna. It seemed from the first movie that Elsa suffered from being pressured and isolated, while Anna suffered from being ignored.
@@kristenkortright2921 Yeah, more scenes would've been nice--of course, this is in retrospect; Disney had never made a film of their own that amassed $1 billion. I do hopw in the future they invest in long-term films that lead up to something rather than each story and sequel being open-and-closed.
I definitely think Anna was lonely, but given the first film, I always assumed this was due to her seperation from Elsa, who she remembers being close to. However, Anna saw her parents (I assume) the same amount as before her incident, so it doesn't feel weird to her, especially being a royal.
Hopefully part 3 is a bit more cohesive, but I am worried since Jennifer Lee isn't the writer. At least she had good things to say about it when she met with the team!
I'd wonder if Anna who would have trauma sure, would be as effected.
Elsa was older by a couple years. Anna may be lucky to even remember her parents.
@@JoybuzzerX Anna was a teen when their parents died.
WHAT. I'VE. BEEN. SAYING.
Literally, my five-year-old self sitting in the theater fell in love with Anna's undying gratitude. But then I discovered that all the other little girls loved Elsa because she had magic powers. Since then I think it's just become a thing for me, I cannot stand Elsa because she's such a bad sister and everyone just ignores it because she sings the best song, has the pretty dress, and has ice powers.
Jack Frost did the ice powers better anyway.
I agree, when I first watched Frozen, I always stood by Anna's side.
I would blame the parents because they forced Elsa to contain her powers and emotion while making her stay out of Anna’s life for 10 years
I love Anna. she is the best character in the whole franchise for me. Sure she needs to work on being better in some areas, but she has room to improve. I can also tell that she wants to. I think after this one, she’s starting to recognize her flaws and is looking to fix them. I also think she’s so underrated. Everyone likes to point out her flaws, but no one else’s. She completely deserves to be queen. I think the responsibility will be difficult at first, but it’ll help her grow into the person that I know she wants to be. I was 10 when it came out, the first one I mean, and I felt so kind of insecure about her being my favorite character, and I never really told anyone that she was because I felt like I had to love Elsa more because everyone else did. This typist, Anna was always my favorite character, even if secretly.
In 1st movie Anna was doing the most heavy lifting then in 2nd Elsa.
I think both now understand what they want and what to expect from each other. Hence for 3rd movie my pitch is Queen Anna and Elsa help against invasion by Han (the prince) with mythological antagonist as sub villain.
I want Anna & Elsa waiting to be together in 3rd movie but external force obstructing them. In previous movies both tried to do there own things especially Elsa. There was a distance btw them sort of.
So this will reflect their growth and will also give us the greatest assest of Frozen franchise back i.e the sisters love for each other. Furthermore, this time Elsa too earning to stay together.
We see at climax both reuniting and Elsa wiping off the whole army. Everyone rejoice! At the end Elsa choose to to stay with Anna and both sisters r back!!
The best sister duo from Disney is Nani and Lilo.
Always found the Marshmallow bodyguard scene jarring. He doesn’t just throw them out, he chases them to the point of their jumping off a cliff. Anna could have died. Would’ve if it weren’t for the snow she landed on. Also knowing her sister was struck and could die, does Elsa seek out the trolls that helped with this before? No, she just sits around and hopes for the best. But I guess that one scene where they shared their love of chocolate really had an impact.
I honestly believe Anna's and Elsa's dynamic is flat and shallow. Their interactions are just cold and boring. For example, Anna is perfectly content with Elsa having powers during their separation and does not question it whatsoever. She's like, "Okay, my sister had powers this whole time. I'm perfectly fine with this." Compare the sisters to Moses and Rameses who have an absolutely amazing dynamic. Their chariot race was so wholesome, and their standoff during the plagues was absolutely phenomenal. Once all but one of the plagues are over, Moses just wants to talk and temporarily forget about everthing else that's happening. And that's exactly what the brothers do. I honestly wish Anna and Elsa had a scene where they watch a sunrise together and just talk.
Elsa was originally-supposed to be a morally-gray villain just like Rameses. But then Let It Go happened and Disney felt that Elsa was so much "better" off being a "misunderstood heroine" instead. And that became not only one of Disney's biggest mistakes, but also one of the dumbest creative choices they've ever made. 🤦♀
@1992disney I know. At least 80% of all of us know too well that Elsa was originally going to be the villain of Frozen. There's a deleted scene where that actually happened, and most of the comments were people saying villain Elsa would've been awesome. Sadly, Disney wasn't brave enough to go through with this idea, which is a shame because Disney used to be so good at getting dark or scary in their movies. That's why The Hunchback of Notre Dame gets praised like crazy. Oh, well.
@@antwain2799 Yeah. Hunchback's way, way better than the entire Frozen franchise and that's for sure.
So I have several complaints about the whole Elsa and Anna sister relationship. So the King and Queen of Arendelle forced Elsa to contain her powers and emotions while staying out of Anna's life from when the girls were 5 and 8. So for 10 years, Elsa has been holed up in her room for all that time. So from age 5 to 15 Anna has been exploring the castle and hasn't seen her sister for 10 year. And on Coronation day the sister reunited for a party and Elsa was ready to close the castle gate forever after Anna gets engaged. Elsa's ice powers and her emotions come out and Anna is just worried about her sister. Elsa lashes out at Anna a second time when she was trying to help her older sister who doesn't know how to unfreeze everything. The relationship didn't mend until the end. The relationship seemed one sided for the first movie. Elsa was better with the relationship in the second movie but not to the extent Anna's side. Basically I blame the parents for their crappy sisterly relationship.
Yup,the parents screwed up big time
something about their characterisation always felt off to me. Elsa is never at fault for anything (always an accident, always she had the best intentions and just coulnd't know the dangers and whatnot) while Anna is better, but ... just why? Why is she still insisting? Elsa doesn't hate her, but their bond isn't the best.
I don't like how in the sequel Elsa sends Anna away again when she was helping her, abandons her duty as queen, and gives it to the same person who was SO NAIVE and UNWISE that she was going to marry someone she just met and upstage her sister's coronation party
I'm not sure if I would call their relationship one-sided. They both clearly love one another, but they also have very different, and as I would argue, equally unhealthy ways of approaching their love for one another due to the way they were brought up.
Elsa was conditioned from the time she was a small child to not trust herself and to believe that she had to distance herself to protect others. Meanwhile, Anna was neglected as a child not only by Elsa, but apparently by her parents as well who kept secrets from her and dedicated most of their time to keeping Elsa in check.
The way both girls were raised clearly colors the way they approach their relationship in adulthood. When something goes wrong or appears unsafe, Elsa's first reaction is to cut herself off, as we see throughout Frozen and the point in the second film when she sends Anna away for her safety. On the other hand, Anna is devoted to the point of being clingy --- wanting to stay close to Elsa for fear that she will lose the only family she has left. IMO her character development in Frozen II is important because she's faced with losing Elsa forever --- the person into whom she has placed pretty much all of her energy and self-worth --- and has to figure out how to deal with that. To figure out what she's fighting for if she isn't fighting for Elsa. Elsa is a lot more independent because she's HAD to be. She was forced to give up her childhood early and feels like she has to bear her burdens alone. While we do see her finally come into her own and find her purpose in the second film, I'd definitely like to see a future film where perhaps Elsa has to learn to trust and rely on others a bit more.
I do totally agree that Anna is the true hero of the Frozen franchise and deserves a lot more love than she gets. And maybe their bond isn't as "wholesome" as marketing would suggest. But I also don't want to diminish how strong Elsa and Anna's bond is or how much they love each other. Their relationship is complicated, and definitely flawed, but that doesn't make it bad imo. It just makes it more real.
Totally agree Anna is doing all the heavy lifting in their relationship while Elsa keeps pushing her away claiming it’s to protect her
Honestly, I think now that Ana has to be removed from Elsa, having to rule the kingdom in all, will be better for her. She’ll be able to grow as her own person while still being able to correspond with her sister. and also Elsa can be herself. I think the ending of frozen two worked out best for everyone.
I kinda have to laugh at how the sequel spits in the face of the first movie's ending, same as toy story 4 to 3. Like yeah, Elsa has become accepted by the kingdom and is reconstructing her bond with Anna while also learning to have friends in Kristoff, Sven, and Olaf. But HEY why don't we ship her off to the edges of the earth to become an elemental force of nature while abdicating the throne and yet again separating her from her sister and her new friends! Granted I like the second movie's ending more than the first because it feels more natural but still...
I agree with you. I'm not hating on the film but or chacters but can you really call a it an amazing sister bond when they don't talk? Like at from ages like idk 10 to adult? I know elsa had her problemee and I understand I mean it in a way yeah when someone has issues and is ignoring you bc of it you don't have a good bond in my opinion.
In the second film, Elsa also decides to just go live in the forest and dumps a whole kingdom of responsibility onto Anna
Elsa was supposed to be a villain. When the song, "Let it go," was shown to be sung by Elsa, the creators thought she should be a hero or a misunderstood character. Her being neglectful makes sense for her original arc.
I don't blame neither of Elsa and Anna,I'd rather just criticize and question the writers of the fine show since when you think about it,there are so many potential from both frozen 1 and 2 that has been shown through the cut clips that could have been on the show and made a better evolvement for literally all of the character's
Based as usual
I whole heartedly agreed. True love doesn’t look that this.
Andy had more love and care for his toys that he didn’t know were alive than Elsa has for Anna.
There’s this TH-camr called Lydia the Bard, and she makes evil song versions of all the princesses, and her version of Anna made way more sense than the movie.
But I suppose having sisters turn on another due to neglect isn’t marketable to families.
But having Anna become the true “evil snow queen”
I just love it.
Maybe the second movie could of been about Elsa growing as a person. And Anna still struggling with the fact she low key misses her sister despite it all, but trying to “ let that go”.
Then the third be them making amends.
Idk.
I very much agree with the video and honestly can't remember ever thinking that Elsa and Anna's sisterly relationship is particularly good. And with time it's become very clear to me just how one-sided it is. Sure, it makes sense that after all that trauma and long separation their bond couldn't be very strong, but it's the rather one-sided efforts on Anna's part that concern me the most. Especially after watching the sequel. And I should know because their relationship kind of resembles me and my sister's own (it's definitely more affectionate than ours though). With me being the younger one desperately trying to maintain and improve it now that we're adults while my big sis has become rather indifferent and distant, only really tolerating my efforts but not quite reciprocating. So watching Frozen and especially Frozen II feels like a punch in the gut, not gonna lie.
I half agree with people who say that Nani and Lilo's relationship as sisters is much better. I mean yeah, it is, but it's also hard to compare considering their big age gap on top of them being orphans, meaning Nani also plays the role of a parent to Lilo, not just a normal sister. Even just the fact that one is already a young adult while the other is still a child makes a big difference in their dynamic compared to the Frozen sisters who are closer in age and are supposed to be more like best friends than anything. Just a thought.
It's good that we're finally tackling the issue of sisters' portrayal in media. In my opinion, for some reason the best sibling relationships with the strongest bonds we see in fiction are usually those between brothers. It might just be my purely subjective view as I usually relate to male characters better anyway, but seriously, I struggle to find fictional sisters comparable to, say, Ed and Al (Fullmetal Alchemist) or Mario and Luigi (especially now after the new Super Mario Bros. Movie), or most iterations of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I guess Encanto' three sisters get along well enough after the conflict between Mirabel and Isabela is resolved, but sadly we don't know enough to really tell how close the three of them are. Arcane has some well-written characters and the main two sisters' relationship is no exception, but even that's not the best example as it's of the complicated and tragic variety. So if anyone has any recommendations please share 😀
I want Elsa to have different friends than Anna, and she kind of did in the second movie by moving to the Northuldra tribe.
I regret clicking on this because I'm pissed for not noticing how one-sided Ana and Elsa's relationship is. It's as plain as day too where Ana is reaching out constantly wanting to play and spend time with Elsa. And Elsa out of fear won't recepricate.
And they could've fixed this, but I doubt they had the time.
i was so little when frozen came out and literally last night my sister and i got alcohol markers called ohuhus and my sister was like "yoohoo" and i said "BIG SUMMER BLOWOUT !!!"
and we just burst out laughing cos frozen was and IS still so iconic
then we watched frozen again for the first time in forever
About time someone called this out. Their entire relationship is built off the writers' gaslighting the audience into "feeling" for them.
Nah they are a good sibling dynamic.
@@jaydenc367 Source : trust me bro
@@yrooxrksvi7142 the source is the movie itself.
@@jaydenc367 The source is that you made it tf up. Like always. The movie is garbage, Anna and Elsa are dysfunctional for the most embarassingly forced reasons. One is a dizzy bimbo who acts like she's codepedent from this aloof spinster, the other is too busy crying over herself. And you fell for it.
@@jaydenc367 What "source" ??? You made it up, like always. One is a codependent bimbo, the other is a self-pitying spinster, completely dysfunctional and broken up for a dumb reason created by the trolls.
Honestly Anna is so underrated.
People who think there besties is a smooth brain
I don’t deny that pop culture phenomenon Frozen was when the first movie came out. I had an aversion to ‘Let it Go’ because when my fellow female classmates, the girls would play Let It Go constantly on their phones and try to sing along to the lyrics. Quite horribly I might add, screeching at the top of their lungs. Since it would be played at different times and out of sync, I thought for awhile this was the closest thing to what hell sounds like (sorry middle school classmates) and couldn’t listen to the song for about five years because my brain had developed a mental reflex of starting to hurt whenever I heard it. 😅
Dang being here this early feels weird
All fairness her parents did sort of cause this, that’s years of being labelled dangerous and kept alone
6:24 ahhh you made a pun!
I wish Elsa had been the villain in Frozen - it's a wasted opportunity! Also, Anna is codependent to the point of making me really uncomfortable about her relationship with Elsa - no hate but she seems almost obsessed with her especially in Frozen 2?
Got that MatPat in you don't you SmartyPants
I just hope that in the movie of Shrek 5, once Disney buys DreamWorks, all the Official Disney Princes and Princesses from their respective movies appear, especially all the characters from the movie of Rise of the Guardians, from the movies of Frozen, from the movies of How to Train Your Dragon, from the movie of Brave, from the movie of Tangled, from the movie of Moana, from the movie of Raya and the Last Dragon, from the movie of Encanto and the most important character in the movie of The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea, Melody, the daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, and besides, they will be the new main characters of the movie of Shrek 5 so that they help Shrek, Princess Fiona, Donkey, Dragon, Puss in Boots, Kitty Softpaws, Perrito, Goldilocks, the Three Bears, Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany, King Artie, Princess Guinevere, the children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, the children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and the others to defeat Rumpelstiltskin, Death and all the Official Villains of Disney and DreamWorks, as The Evil Queen, Lady Tremaine, Drizella Tremaine, Maleficent, Marina del Rey, Ursula, Gaston LeGume, Maestro Forte, Jafar, Sa'luk, Governor John Ratcliffe, Shan Yu, Dr. Facilier, Mother Gothel, Zhan Tiri, Te Kā, Tamatoa, the Red Death, Drago Bludvist, Grimmel the Grisly, Mor'du, Prince Hans, Pitch Black, the Druun, the Soldiers and Morgana, and to prevent Rumpelstiltskin, Death and the other Official Villains of Disney and DreamWorks from ruling and destroying the kingdom of Princess Fiona and King Artie called Far Far Away, Shrek along with his wife named Princess Fiona will need help from their new friends which are the Official Disney Princes and Princesses, as Prince Florian, Princess Snow White, Prince Charming, Princess Cinderella, Prince Philip, Princess Aurora, Prince Eric, Princess Ariel, Prince Adam, Princess Belle, Prince Aladdín, Princess Jasmine, Prince John Smith, Princess Pocahontas, Prince Li Shang, Princess Fa Mulan, Prince Naveen, Princess Tiana, Prince Flynn Rider, Princess Rapunzel, Maui, Queen Moana Waialiki, Hiccup Haddock, Princess Merida, Kristoff Bjorgman, Queen Anna, Jack Frost, Princess Elsa, Princess Raya, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Anastasia Tremaine, Namaari and Melody, although in reality, Melody is the first and only that she is not a true Official Disney Princess along with Namaari and Anastasia Tremaine, because Anastasia Tremaine is not born of royalty, while, Namaari is an Unofficial Disney Princess and Melody made her debut in the movie of The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea and it is also because she is the first and only daughter of an Official Disney Princess, but Shrek, Princess Fiona, Donkey, Dragon, Puss in Boots, Kitty Softpaws, Perrito, Goldilocks, the Three Bears, Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany, King Artie, Princess Guinevere, the children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle, and Felicia, the children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and the others also need Anastasia Tremaine, Namaari and Melody's help to protect and save their kingdom called Far Far Away away from Rumpelstiltskin, Death and the other Official Villains of Disney and DreamWorks, because Anastasia Tremaine and Namaari are now good people and Melody is the daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, but in the movie of Shrek 5, I also want to see the death of Queen Lillian, because since her husband named King Harold passed away in the movie of Shrek 3, she has felt heartbroken and that caused his own death in his kingdom called Far Far Away, and all the inhabitants of Princess Fiona and King Artie's kingdom called Far Far Away are saddened by the death of Queen Lillian, because now she is with her husband named King Harold in heaven, and now they have lost their queen, that means now the kingdom of Far Far Away needs a new queen and King Artie said that his love interest, girlfriend, fiancée and former classmate from Worcestershire school called Princess Guinevere would be the one to be the new Queen of Far Far Away, so King Artie decided to return to his old school called Worcestershire along with Shrek, with his older cousin Princess Fiona, with Donkey, with Dragon, with Puss in Boots, with Kitty Softpaws, with Perrito, with Goldilocks, with the Three Bears, with the children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, with the children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and with the others to meet again with their friends from their school who are actually Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany and their love interest, girlfriend and fiancée Princess Guinevere to take them back to their kingdom called Far Far Away, and in the movie of Shrek 5, I also want to see the romance of all the Official Disney Princes and Princesses from their respective movies, especially the romance of Maui and Queen Moana Waialiki, the romance of Hiccup Haddock and Princess Mérida, the romance of Jack Frost and Princess Elsa, the romance of Prince Lancelot and Princess Tiffany and the romance of King Artie and Princess Guinevere, because I think in the movie of Shrek 5, Maui will be Queen Moana Waialiki's love interest, boyfriend and fiancé, while Hiccup Haddock will be Princess Mérida's love interest and boyfriend, Princess Tiffany will be Prince Lancelot's love interest, girlfriend and fiancée and Princess Guinevere will be King Artie's love interest, girlfriend and fiancée, because Queen Moana Waialiki is going to fall in love with Maui, Princess Mérida is going to fall in love Hiccup Haddock, Princess Tiffany is going to fall in love with Prince Lancelot and Princess Guinevere is going to fall in love with King Artie, but they don't know how to tell them their feelings towards them and neither how to win their hearts, because every time Queen Moana Waialiki gets too close to Maui when it comes to true love, she gets very nervous with him, while which in the case of Princess Mérida is also the same, because whenever Princess Mérida gets too close to Hiccup Haddock when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous with him, in the case of Princess Tiffany it is also the same, because whenever Princess Tiffany gets too close to Prince Lancelot when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous around him, and in the case of Princess Guinevere too, because every time Princess Guinevere gets too close to King Artie when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous around him, but luckily for them, Princess Fiona will help Queen Moana Waialiki to win the heart of Maui, also Princess Mérida to win the heart of Hiccup Haddock, also Princess Tiffany to win the heart of Prince Lancelot and also Princess Guinevere to win the heart of King Artie, and I also want that in the movie of Shrek 5, Jack Frost will be Princess Elsa's love interest and boyfriend, because Jack Frost leaves fall in love with Princess Elsa, but he doesn't know how to tell her his feelings and how to win her heart, because every time Jack Frost gets too close to Princess Elsa when it comes to true love, he gets very nervous with her, but fortunately for him, Shrek will help Jack Frost to win the heart of Princess Elsa, except Princess Raya, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Goldilocks, Namaari and Anastasia Tremaine, because now they will be the only Official Disney Princesses who do not need to have love interests and who can remain single forever, and I also say the same for Melody, the daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, because like her adoptive aunts Princess Raya, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Goldilocks, Namaari and Anastasia Tremaine, she doesn't need a love interest either, but in the movie of Shrek 5, I also want to see the rivalry between King Artie and Queen Anna because they both want to compete in a challenge to see who is the best monarch a of a kingdom, that is, the best ruler of a kingdom, because both want to do what is best for their own kingdom, because King Artie wants to do what is best for his kingdom called Far Far Away because now he is the new King of Far Far Away and Queen Anna wants to do the best for their kingdom called Arendelle because now she is the new Queen of Arendelle, but at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, King Artie and Queen Anna become best friends in the world, because at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, they both learned from their mistakes that they have made since their challenge to compete to see who is the best monarch of a kingdom, that is, the best ruler of a kingdom, and that at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, King Artie and Princess Guinevere see their first true love kiss and that they become a romantic couple, just like Prince Lancelot and Princess Tiffany, and also that at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, Maui, Hiccup Haddock, Kristoff Bjorgman, Jack Frost, Prince Lancelot and King Artie become the new official members of the Official Disney Princes, while Queen Anna, Princess Elsa, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Goldilocks, Namaari, Anastasia Tremaine, Princess Tiffany and Princess Guinevere become the new official members of the Official Disney Princesses and that one day, Princess Tiffany will be the wife of Prince Lancelot and that they have a son and a daughter, that is, a family in the future, and that also Princess Guinevere is the wife of King Artie, that they also have a son and a daughter, that is, a family and that she becomes the new Queen of Far Far Away in the future.
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I❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ love Frozen
Hot take: Frozen isn't the new classic, Tangled is. Tangled was a step into new direction, Frozen just flaunted scintillating dress at children, "Nobody understands me!" at teens, and paper-thin, surface level morals on the adults. None other Disney classic is this shallow. Frozen isn't a brand even, it's just a product.
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Anna leading all the changes, fixes, and actions make sense since the direction for the character of Elsa was made last minute (from evil to misunderstood). Elsa was suppose to be the villain, but after they heard the Lopez's song "Let It Go" and how empowering it was, that's when they changed Elsa's character.
Miranda didn't write the songs for Frozen. That was done by the Lopez couple.
@@1992disney You're absolutely right. I got that mixed up so I made an edit. Thank you!!!
@@jimbolic0809 No problem.
i cant tell how much i dislike the first frozen and i find it hard to choose my favorite of them and frozen is one of the few movis where the sequel is way better then the first one
@usanatv2007sentertainmentinc. it hard to say why i dont like the first movie
The sequel's actually not better either.
Still Elsa is my favorite sister of the two. Similar to personality of Kagami Tsurugi and Marinette Dupain-Cheng of Miraculous.
Elsa - Kagami
Anna - Marinette
Even with towards love. Anna falling for Hans as Marinette stupidly did for Adrien. When Krisoff as Luka are better for them. Honestly I ship Hans/Elsa as I highly do Adrigami.
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Thank you for seeing that Luka is better for Marinette. I ship them so hard. I feel that he could help her fix her flaws, and I know he would be more supportive to her than anyone else is currently. I feel like the main thing holding Marinette back as a character is the writing. There were plenty of times in season two and I think even once in season three, when she did seem like she was finally ready to give up on Adrian, but then something always pushed her back into crazy, uncontrollable love mode. I think it was mainly the peer pressure that pushed her back into trying to pursue Adrien, that, and the fact that the creators already wanted them together in the end, so they’re trying to push the narrative in that direction despite natural progression. As in, I don’t think Marinette is perfect, but all of this horrible characterization she is given is not entirely her fault. If you look at episodes like 2x20, Frozer, and 3x21, Cat Blanc, her friends really do put a lot of pressure on her to confess, and I feel like if they didn’t, she could probably find and control her feelings better.
Also, the latter of these two episodes also reveal why they absolutely should not be together, her, and Adrian I mean. I relate to Marinette so much. Not so much in the love department, but in the whole insecurity department. Also, I did once have a dream to be a designer, but I had to give it up, because of the fact that I am visually impaired, not really relevant to my argument, here, but just another way in which I relate to her because of the fact that that was once my dream. I really connected to her as a character, and I know she could be better if Everyone would just let her truly discover herself, both supporting characters and the writers.
Also, it is really funny that you relate Elsa to Kagami because Marinette did once call her the ice queen. And they are both not allowed to freely express their emotions, Elsa by herself, and Kagami by Asian culture. I know how she feels in that regard, because I’m not Japanese, but I am from a culture that has Asian roots, and we two are held to high standards. There’s a lot more that I could say, but I’m probably annoying you enough by how long this comment already is. Also, forgive me for any misspellings or weird grammatical errors, I’m using dictation, and sometimes I can’t catch all of my errors.
By the way, in terms of frozen, Ana is my favorite because I can feel the potential in her.
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No it's fine. You weren't annoying me, hwy we have to rant then rant on. 😻
Thanks for understanding. That was actually Kagami's misguided nickname 'Ice Queen' but of course Marinette stopped saying it after the two blunettes became good friends.
ADRIGAMI
Lukanette
Felbrina
Ninoé
Mylivan
Nathaniel/Lila
Marc/Juleka
Kim/Alix
Did you just compare Hans to Adrien? Why?How?
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You badly misunderstood me. Now I'm confused how you got to that conclusion.
The story of Frozen 1 is Elsa running away from everything and Anna being the main character who needs to resolve it
I’m sorry I’m leaving so many comments but also, about the parenting. There is a novel, where some of their actions are explained. I don’t agree with their actions, but they really were trying to find a way to help behind-the-scenes. It just led to some pretty tragic consequences both before, and after they died.
That still doesn't excuse the way the parents were shown in both Frozen movies, though.
@@1992disney never said it did, I just was trying to say that there was more to it. With monarchs, and with parents, there just seems to be no way to make the right decision. any decision that is made will lead to bad outcome.
Okay so. Frozen 1 anna I don’t know how she still loves Elsa after SHUTTING HER OUT and FREEZING HER HEART. That would be more of a villain arc.
I fell out with my brother from young age so I could relate to that story. I hoped one day we could reunite but wounds are too deep to heal,
I LOVED the fact Elsa was like ‘fuck it’ at the end. Running away from Anna and her problems. I like how they got separated not all siblings are happy ep ever after. HATED ANNNNNNA so clingy and it’s annoying. What really pisses E off is that’s SHES QUEEN. IF HANS JUST STAYED ABD FUCKED UP THEN HE WOULD HAVE BEEN KING. that just felt like middle finger to him. Hans one my favourite characters. I would prefer him being king than kristoff. Even in early concept frozen 2 kristoff didn’t want to be a duke. He doesn’t fit that role.
Agree to disagree, but to each their own.
I am sorry, but there is a 95% chance, actually make that at 99.9% chance, that I’ll ever count anything that comes out of the third movie is canon.
😅 finally someone says it they do not have a good sisterly Bond it's only Anna that carries most of the sisterly love Elsa in both movies could care less I mean she cares but it's so one-sided it's not a healthy sister relationship at all and not to mention I'm sorry but the movie both movies are barely about Elsa I mean the second one is supposed to be more about Elsa but it still feels like it's more about Anna the first movie Anna was mostly in the movie the second one again they try to make it seem more about Elsa but it's still felt like more of an Anna movie
Honestly the musical sounds better... Please review it. Is a so much better version of Frozen; and soemthing that we could've gotten to explore Elsa's character more... In my opinion Frozen could've been great, had they explored Elsa as a character more instead of a plot device...
Can you review lego ninjago?⛰🔥❄⚡
I don't think they will
@@rowenaloh6653 It's better than Ladybug🐞
I genuinely don't understand why Elsa is seen as a complex character or a feminist icon. She's probably the blandest Disney character since Hercules and she never does anything worthy of feminist praise other than criticizing Anna for wanting to marry someone she just met (which is strange when you think about the fact that the only Disney Princesses who actually did that were Cinderella and maybe Ariel (although the movie implied that some time had passed between the climax and the wedding). The rest simply declared their love).
They really should have kept her as a villain who was created by her inner demons, or maybe taken over by the devil's mirror from the source material, the one that turned Kai into nasty prick, which would give Anna the task of redeeming her sister.
Speaking of, real disappointment that we didn’t get a more accurate adaptation of The Snow Queen. That story was a classic to me and if they wanted a feminist icon - Gerda’s one of few fairy tale protagonists that are a. Female and b. Isn’t a damsel in any form. It was *right there* Disney!
Elsa is a boring character to me I've never understood why she's pushed so much in branding. Because she has powers? Boo.
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YESSS! thank you!!! Anna is the heroine of these movies. if only she had gotten a big song in the sequel. Did Elsa really need 2? Idina Menzel is fantastic, no doubt, but people get mesmerized by the supper pretty voice and sparkly ice powers. They feel so sad for her and her childhood trauma, that they forget Elsa hasn’t really done anything to prove herself.
the sequel is better for Elsa’s character, but she’s got a lot of emotional and social growth to work on.
I am glad I am not the only one here who always thought Elsa was a shitty sister to Anna in both movies.
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I think the only way i would watch Frozen 3 is if it was about Anna and Kristoffs kid who also has powers, even if it wouldn't work with the whole "5 spirits" thing
yeah...lila and nani had aetter relationship...and anna did do the heavy lifting..not gonna lie I was confused as all hell at the end of the movie with elsa suddenly realizing love can fix the problem despite not even having a real proper conversation with anna throughout the film and anna being the one to save her. I think what also disappointed me in the frist movie is hans and kristoff could have been used to help teach each sister about the other spoint of view even when they werent around eachother...kristoff was isolating himself from society and felt soem freedom from it and talked about reindeers being better than people, and was explaining why anna trying to marry a man she just met wasnt the best idea becuase you hae to get to know people more than that. and how he loved the ice and apppreciated teh workman ship of teh castle like how anna liked the powers and saw the good in it. that could have echoed how more on elsa who ran away and was trying to feel free away from society and how both deeo down might want to interact with people again but dont know how.
and him being the kid who witnessed the rocktrolls explaining the situation when anna got hurt and how elsa was scared seeing the vision and how anna got her mind wiped...they could have had anna upset about her memory being wiped and kristoff point out that elsa had been scared and hadnt wanted to hurt her and was following that advice to protect anna and anna could have bounced off of him to explain her feelings about how she had wanted to be there for her sister and was being shut out..but also have anna realize why elsa had acted liek she was naive and wouldntinclude er since anna didnt have the context/didnt remember and that was why elsa kept dismissing anna's valid points.
while elsa interacting with hans could have been good because if we take out the evil part...he could show how he was willing to reach out for a connection just to get out of his house and bring up the point of view of a younger sibling and make else take responsibility for hurting anna. and make it were he DOES care about anna but like anna meight have gotten attached quickly because it was a way to get out of his kingdom just like how anna clung to hans so she woldnt be lonely in worry over elsa closing the castle again. bring a outsider perspetive and how he didnt have a good relationship with his siblings but anna does want one with elsa and what happens because elsa just wont talk to anna...use how he was given the silent treatment for years by his brothers as a joke.
kristoff can point to why elsa might want to isolate to anna, while hans could get across to elsa how her actions have been hurting anna. and have it where the kiss doesnt work but hans isnt evil just becuase they dont know eachotehr that well where elsa doesnt WANT to be right because it means anna will die/freeze.
though theme wise it does match how in the original snowqueen the little girl's best friend suddenly got mean and was pushing her away due to the metaphorical puberty when in reality he was going through teh changes of teh icemirror in his eye and then she had to go and save him from the icequeen without him doing that much compared to her to fix the relationship becuase he was trapped...and how you shouldnt just give up on people who are oushing you away becuase alot of the times thats when they need your help the most
Yeah, elsa isnt really a good role model of little girls. She is better as a role model to show what bad parenting and traumatic experiences can do to a person, which is probably why a lot of neurodivergent and lgbt+ people felt connected to the movie. Im autistic, non binary and have adhd. And a lot of these themes did resonate with me. "Leave me alone", "i don't want to hurt you", "i don't know what to do", "i messed up and dont know how to fix it", "conceal, don't feel". That's what a pretty big part of my childhood and adulthood are like. Masking and hiding who you are, just wanting to be left alone because nobody would understand you, trying to mimic socially acceptable behavior because nobody tells you these things or why you need to do specific things a specific way. It's exhausting and if you're a kid with parents who don't really do a good job at accommodating your needs, it can easily be traumatizing. One experience i had was a birthday party. It was my birthday and we had people over. I just got this new ds game that I loved. And then my parents told me to let one of the other kids play my brand new ds game on my personal ds on my birthday. He completely ruined my save file. And to this day my parents refuse to believe that that ever happened and they refuse to apologize. It traumatized me to a degree where i don't feel comfortable with people touching my stuff at all because what if they'll ruin it again? Nobody is ever allowed to play my games without HEAVY supervision and ill yank it out of their hands if they do something that might mess up my save file. And I have several more examples, all of which basically resulted in "don't fucking touch my stuff because I don't want to loose anything".
Anna and Elsa's bond to me feels written by a single child who idealizes having a sibling. It doesn't feel really earned, especially because the movie doesn't spend as much time as time should showing their bond. They TALK about it, but we see little of it. Plus, I think both of these characters are badly written. I could argue Anna is also pretty selfish as she hardly aknowledges Elsa's needs and makes a whole scene on SOMEONE ELSE'S CORONATION in front of leaders of other kingdoms.
Elsa has ice powers shes cold as ice literally and personilty
This is why I weirdly like the "they are not biological sisters" thoery from... well... film theory. 😅 And it was actually Elsa and Repunzel who are the real sisters.
I think Elsa and Repunzel would actually be better sisters, just because they have a nearly shared experience. That being their parents isolating them from the world because of their powers.
The more you think about it, the more you feel Rapunzel would be able to help Elsa as a person. As the former, although was told to hide her powers, doesn't fear it. And despite the isolation, Repunzle stayed positive and hopeful.
There's a sense that Elsa isn't meeting Anna in the middle, and opening up to her, because of the powers. Maybe because Anna wouldn't know how to relate or understand what Elsa is feeling. Hense the latter keeps to herself.
But Repunzel does. Even of her's can help people. Gothel is right about how it's knowledge still puts her in danger.
And the relatability would help Elsa open up more.
Shuch a shame they never had at least a cross over so Elsa and Repunzel get to talk and help each other.
Anna and Elsa's relationship was always odd to me. I am the younger sister of 2 girls, my parents had no other kids, we are the same set up as Anna and Elsa. We would never act the way they do. Furthermore, i dont know any sisters that act the way they act. Especially after all that neglect from Elsa, I feel like any normal person would have gotten resentful and angry... but Anna acts like its all okay and takes her right back in... its odd...
Still, i love the movie and suspend my logic for the parts that make no sense. Like we do with a lot of movies... this is 1 of the things they need us to accept so that the plot works.
That still doesn't excuse movies like Frozen of being full of plot holes and contradictions, though.
Well, these two certainly aren't Bluey and Bingo. Even in the flashback, Anna wanted to do something with Elsa and Elsa was just humoring Anna. Really, they should just go their separate ways. Anna saved Elsa and in a way herself. Anna's relationship with Kristoff needs more attention since there was chemistry between the two.
I mean, their whole relationship is running away from trusting people and anna racing around cleaning up messes. If you want to truly deep dive, it can be likened to an abusive relationship with anna always running back to elsa, and even throwing away kristoff's relationship in that,
Also no hate, but not movies i like to watch lmao. some of the songs are banging though.
Hm, fair and valid points and opinions, i can see where you’re coming from,
I wonder if this will be pointed out in the Third Film?
I'm not watching this video because I have a feeling that you're probably moreso trying to ruin Frozen for everyone rather than actually making a video stating your opinion.
And it's because you can't handle VALID criticism directed towards both Frozen films?
@@1992disney I can’t remember what exactly I said that, but I feel like I had my reasons.
@@meta527II Well why don't you watch the video before jumping to conclusions? 🤷♀
@@1992disney I don’t know why I’m like that.
@@meta527II What are you talking about? What do you mean you're like that? 🤨
0:00 Quite frankly I think Frozen is overrated...
Love Frozen, love both sisters, but yes, favor Elsa. ❤️