Been nursing heel issues for years so max heel cushion is a must for my 210lb frame. Nike has been my choice for a few years. 2024 gives me more choices.
I have learned that I am more of a fan of ground contact shoes, I am pretty thin so lots of cushion to me feels clunky and big, so this trend of all stack all cushion is not my fave.
same - i only run in max cushion shoes once or so a week when i'm really feeling beat up. btw if you haven't checked out the rebel v3 and you like lower stack shoes i would highly recommend it - my favorite shoe of the past year
So, I am heavy and did a lot of walking running to loose 90 lbs. before December. I had total knee replacements dec 8 and am ready to at least get back out there. would the more v4 be good. my nimbus are about shot and the second pair doesn't feel like my first ones so I'm looking for something not hard on the knee. ride 17s hurt as well. i have wide feet
More v4 would definitely be a good choice. I would suggest comparing to the new balance 1080v13 as well which has similar foam but is a little lighter. The 1080 is my favorite max cushioned shoe
It's good that you show the weight of the shoes. The problem is, I had to pause the clip to figure out what that weight corresponds to. United States with Liberia and Myanmar (Burma) are absolutely equal in one thing. Do you remember what it is?
Ok, I’m a Saucony fanboy, but the Hurricane looks VERY Hoka Bondi(ish). Same super high stack, the outsole looks very similar, and I’m pretty sure that the Bondi came in that exact color way too. The only difference is, it probably rides better than a Hoka.
It would be nice to get some information on which of the cushioned shoes have the longest lasting sole life. I wear the Hoka, however to rear right heel seems to wear out faster than the rest of the sole area.
You obviously know running and know your shoes. No nonsense and unbiased reviews. Winning formula to hopefully get a ton of new subscribers soon! I’m in.
My favorite walking shoe is the brooks ghost max. It's cushioned but not too soft and squishy. Here's some more info on our website - and if you decide to pick it up and use the link to running warehouse it will help support the channel! www.supwell.io/shoes/brooks-ghost-max
They are both excellent but the 1080v13 is my favorite soft shoe of all time. It feels a little easier to run in than the Nimbus - though the Nimbus is super comfortable, sometimes running in it I felt like I was fighting against the foam. If you live in the US though, Nimbus 25 is on sale for $120 now that 26 came out so if price is a consideration I would go Nimbus (1080v13 is $165)
I think low 50s is the max we can do given the current foams. Prime X Strung is the only one to really pull it off. And then there are a few 45s - but with the current tech, the issue going any taller becomes heel stability and ankle support when cornering, so it would be hard to go much higher than low 50s without some unseen advance changing the game for that (even with lighter foams like the adidas Evo pro, the stabilizing issue is still there)
I'd recommend the Saucony triumph 20 or Asics gel nimbus 25. Triumph 20 is $100 and an awesome bouncy max cushion shoe - great for long runs as well as everyday miles. Nimbus 25 is $120, super soft and great for slower relaxed runs. Both are last year's version of the shoe so are discounted. Here are the links. Triumph 20 for $64 if you are size 8 to 9 www.marshalls.com/us/store/jump/product/Men%27s-Triumph-20-Cushioned-Running-Sneakers/4000214449 triumph 20 for $100 in more sizes www.runningwarehouse.com/Saucony_Triumph_20/descpage-ST20M05.html gel nimbus for $120 www.runningwarehouse.com/ASICS_Gel_Nimbus_25/descpage-AN25M03.html?from=supwell
I've seen where shoes break down and fall apart even unused. So when buying "new" shoes, how far back in the model year would you go? How long are unused shoes good for? That was a disappointing revelation for me as I had begun a nice collection with thousands of dollars worth of my favorites. Now they'll be getting worn...
the general consensus is that unused midsole foam won't break down within the 5 to 10 years that you're likely to hold on to a shoe. for me personally, i won't buy older than last year's version, mainly because i like the new tech and at that point, you can find shoes for $70 and cheaper
Great video. Love max cushion shoes and planning on buying a pair or two in 2024. I got the Nimbus 25 and more trail v3 this year. Can't wait for Saucony and NB's new shoes in 2024. Quick question: What are the differences between Triumph 22 and Hurricane 24? I am not familiar with Saucony as it is hard to buy from where I am located, but loving the looks+colorway of these 2 from Saucony.
The Hurricane has traditionally been a stability model for Saucony, which by the looks the of the shoe it still is. You can see a medial side "post" setup to help with pronation. Hopefully they aren't using a old school post and going with the newer style more dense foam in that medial side to reduce the compression/crashing in on the medial side that heavy pronators can suffer from. I used to need pronation assistance, until I switched to a standing desk for work. I credit that step alone with moving me to a true neutral runner.
as tim mentioned, the hurricane is going to be more stable - it has a base layer of firmer EVA on the bottom, raised sidewealls and a wider platform than the triumph. triumph is a bit lighter weight and has full PWRRUN PB peba midsole - it will be able to pick up the pace a bit more while the hurricane 24 is more of a pure recovery shoe
Based on reviews, the 1080v13 is probably too soft for my taste but I like that they've kept the weight down. An overlooked shoe that is quite similar but not as soft is the Cumulus 25, which still has 37mm stack at about 9oz. Fortunately, a lot of the trainers with plastic plates come in lighter.
@@oisin_o_boyleif that's true, how many of the people buying the shoes actually need them for that reason? They are being marketed to everyone, even just for walking.
Not sure! I reached out to Nike recently and they said to stay tuned for late spring/early summer for more releases - so we'll see something new from them soon
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Been nursing heel issues for years so max heel cushion is a must for my 210lb frame. Nike has been my choice for a few years. 2024 gives me more choices.
I can appreciate a stiffness test, but bending it as far as you bent that Supernova, plates/rods will be permanently softened, cracked, or damaged 😮
Really great roundup. Thanks for bringing us all this info!
I’m torn between the new balance 1080 or the Hoka skyflow. I already have the sc elite and mach 6 but I’m after a max cushion.
Nimbus 25 and Nimbus 26 look similar but they feel very different. Thank you for your video.
Thanks for the tip - I may have to give the 26 a try
Which do you prefer?
@@tmdventures 25 is softer
The change in 10 years will be the “foam.” Likely the shoe’s cushion will be made more efficient for less stack height.
I have learned that I am more of a fan of ground contact shoes, I am pretty thin so lots of cushion to me feels clunky and big, so this trend of all stack all cushion is not my fave.
same - i only run in max cushion shoes once or so a week when i'm really feeling beat up. btw if you haven't checked out the rebel v3 and you like lower stack shoes i would highly recommend it - my favorite shoe of the past year
sauc hurricane looks like a carbon copy of the old bondi 7, even on the outsole pattern, it's baffeling.
It’s not easy to come up with a totally different design for shoes. Some will end up looking like some other previous models.
You left out probably on of the best: PUMA
I loved the shift also I have run in 9 pairs since the original.
Do you ever have to do multiple takes b/c you drop a shoe when you do the flip move to show us the sole?
hahaha shoutout to my wife charli who was doing that at TRE while filming one handed. she became a pro by the end
So, I am heavy and did a lot of walking running to loose 90 lbs. before December. I had total knee replacements dec 8 and am ready to at least get back out there. would the more v4 be good. my nimbus are about shot and the second pair doesn't feel like my first ones so I'm looking for something not hard on the knee. ride 17s hurt as well. i have wide feet
More v4 would definitely be a good choice. I would suggest comparing to the new balance 1080v13 as well which has similar foam but is a little lighter. The 1080 is my favorite max cushioned shoe
You talk way too fast
Thanks a lot for the thorough breakdown, which is helping me to choose my next max cushion shoes for next year. Cheers
thanks for the positive feedback! let me know if you have any questions as you shop around
It's good that you show the weight of the shoes. The problem is, I had to pause the clip to figure out what that weight corresponds to. United States with Liberia and Myanmar (Burma) are absolutely equal in one thing. Do you remember what it is?
Ok, I’m a Saucony fanboy, but the Hurricane looks VERY Hoka Bondi(ish). Same super high stack, the outsole looks very similar, and I’m pretty sure that the Bondi came in that exact color way too. The only difference is, it probably rides better than a Hoka.
Nimbus 26 is still the best max cushion for slower run and walking
No
Still? Its not even released lol
@@fabsterun what other shoes?
People here just looking for an invincible 1 & 2 replacement.
It would be nice to get some information on which of the cushioned shoes have the longest lasting sole life. I wear the Hoka, however to rear right heel seems to wear out faster than the rest of the sole area.
Bummed the triumph gained weight. The new foam looks tempting but probably hold out for superblast 2 in this category
pfff I really liked the endorphin shift.... now I have to go search the web for some extra pairs of the shift 3 so I can last a few more years.
G-defy..... The rest are just EVA Cusion...
13 minutes! 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
Anyone tried sketchers go run 6?
The Triumph 22 is heavier than the 21 ❓❓❓
You obviously know running and know your shoes. No nonsense and unbiased reviews. Winning formula to hopefully get a ton of new subscribers soon! I’m in.
thank you! i appreciate the kind words
Not going to run in more than 100$ shoe
Among all of these which would be the most cushioned for someone who only walks in these? Thank you.
My favorite walking shoe is the brooks ghost max. It's cushioned but not too soft and squishy. Here's some more info on our website - and if you decide to pick it up and use the link to running warehouse it will help support the channel! www.supwell.io/shoes/brooks-ghost-max
what do you think is the better recovery shoe out of the 1080 and the gel nimbus? as a pure recovery shoe not looking for versatility
They are both excellent but the 1080v13 is my favorite soft shoe of all time. It feels a little easier to run in than the Nimbus - though the Nimbus is super comfortable, sometimes running in it I felt like I was fighting against the foam. If you live in the US though, Nimbus 25 is on sale for $120 now that 26 came out so if price is a consideration I would go Nimbus (1080v13 is $165)
Thoughts on where companies are gonna cap out at, if at all, on stack height?
I think low 50s is the max we can do given the current foams. Prime X Strung is the only one to really pull it off. And then there are a few 45s - but with the current tech, the issue going any taller becomes heel stability and ankle support when cornering, so it would be hard to go much higher than low 50s without some unseen advance changing the game for that (even with lighter foams like the adidas Evo pro, the stabilizing issue is still there)
No Brooks?
I just wanna ask, how do you make a black background like that, is that a physical black background or something that you can just edit on a video?
That's the color of my wall - my office is painted navy
@@supwell Thank you so much!
You got a similar list but with shoes in the $100 range?
I'd recommend the Saucony triumph 20 or Asics gel nimbus 25. Triumph 20 is $100 and an awesome bouncy max cushion shoe - great for long runs as well as everyday miles. Nimbus 25 is $120, super soft and great for slower relaxed runs. Both are last year's version of the shoe so are discounted. Here are the links. Triumph 20 for $64 if you are size 8 to 9 www.marshalls.com/us/store/jump/product/Men%27s-Triumph-20-Cushioned-Running-Sneakers/4000214449 triumph 20 for $100 in more sizes www.runningwarehouse.com/Saucony_Triumph_20/descpage-ST20M05.html gel nimbus for $120 www.runningwarehouse.com/ASICS_Gel_Nimbus_25/descpage-AN25M03.html?from=supwell
Wat is the best for recovery runs tho
my current favorite is the new balance 1080v13. soft and cushioned
I've seen where shoes break down and fall apart even unused. So when buying "new" shoes, how far back in the model year would you go? How long are unused shoes good for? That was a disappointing revelation for me as I had begun a nice collection with thousands of dollars worth of my favorites. Now they'll be getting worn...
the general consensus is that unused midsole foam won't break down within the 5 to 10 years that you're likely to hold on to a shoe. for me personally, i won't buy older than last year's version, mainly because i like the new tech and at that point, you can find shoes for $70 and cheaper
Same here, and thanks.@@supwell
Where is the hoodie from Yowana?
it's a camber!
Great video. Love max cushion shoes and planning on buying a pair or two in 2024. I got the Nimbus 25 and more trail v3 this year. Can't wait for Saucony and NB's new shoes in 2024. Quick question: What are the differences between Triumph 22 and Hurricane 24? I am not familiar with Saucony as it is hard to buy from where I am located, but loving the looks+colorway of these 2 from Saucony.
The Hurricane has traditionally been a stability model for Saucony, which by the looks the of the shoe it still is. You can see a medial side "post" setup to help with pronation. Hopefully they aren't using a old school post and going with the newer style more dense foam in that medial side to reduce the compression/crashing in on the medial side that heavy pronators can suffer from. I used to need pronation assistance, until I switched to a standing desk for work. I credit that step alone with moving me to a true neutral runner.
as tim mentioned, the hurricane is going to be more stable - it has a base layer of firmer EVA on the bottom, raised sidewealls and a wider platform than the triumph. triumph is a bit lighter weight and has full PWRRUN PB peba midsole - it will be able to pick up the pace a bit more while the hurricane 24 is more of a pure recovery shoe
wow im really looking forward to all of these ! great video
me too! thanks gabe
Bond-eye
I just roll with whatever comes out of my mouth that day 😂
Based on reviews, the 1080v13 is probably too soft for my taste but I like that they've kept the weight down. An overlooked shoe that is quite similar but not as soft is the Cumulus 25, which still has 37mm stack at about 9oz.
Fortunately, a lot of the trainers with plastic plates come in lighter.
i'm hoping the fresh foam has a bit longer life than the asics FF Blast+. so far at 200 miles in my 1080 it's going strong
Modified file at 3:36 ?
thanks for flagging. not sure what happened but luckily it's only 5 seconds lol
@@supwell yeah weird eh? Odd glitch
10 years from now, people are gonna look back and wonder why people are running in platform shoes.
Now that is interesting and might turn out to be correct. I do remember 10 years ago morons running around on concrete in kayaking shoes lol
@@davidrosenthal5795I mean, it does seem like overkill, doesn't it? Who ACTUALLY needs that much cushioning?
wouldn't agree on that, people get heavier these days and still would like to run.
@@oisin_o_boyleif that's true, how many of the people buying the shoes actually need them for that reason? They are being marketed to everyone, even just for walking.
Nah 10 years from now people are gonna look back and think why our max cushion shoes had such a small stack 😂
do you know when Nike invicible run 4 is being released?
Not sure! I reached out to Nike recently and they said to stay tuned for late spring/early summer for more releases - so we'll see something new from them soon
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