Are Wide Gravel Wheels The Future? Testing the New Zipp XPLR wheels
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2024
- Not only has SRAM launched a new 13-speed Red XPLR gravel bike groupset, but Zipp has launched a brand new wheel and tyre combination that is wider than just about anything on the market. But why is wide good? I set out to discover the answer
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I've been running 700x47 Specialized Pathfinder Pro tires on i30mm rims at 26psi for my 160 pound weight. Very smooth, very supple, very fast rolling. The low pressures improve traction on a tire with a center slick design and the tires grip surprisingly well.
i will put the same tires on my new zipp 303 xplr
Been for 6 weeks for Gravel on Lanzarote without one puncture. So the Specialized Pathfinder Pro are highly recommended.
@@Po.2013 can you? are they supported?
@@graveldoov2215 I was riding now pathfinder 47 for maybe 1000 km off road on 2bar and zero problems.
14:52 were you looking at your phone David? or just assumed Austria has left hand traffic like the UK? ;)
i bet he thought he is in Australia
According to review I read on Bike Roumour, the reviewer had serious problems with impact pinch punctures as soon as he rode on gravel with Goodyear XPL and WTB Vulpine. He had to put a tyre boot and tube in to get back from his. Only solved by using the WTB Resolute 50MM tyre. Which are not race tyres. What was our experience David?
Another thought from the Flint Hills Panaracer's X1 is performing extremely well in the area i hope they ers on the short list for compatibility!
You nearly took that other guy on the trail out my guy 😅
Running 2.35" on i30mm rims at 1.2bar/17psi since 2 years now, wouldnt want to go back to a 40mm for allround gravel use. as soon as there are some bigger pebbles you inevitible will ding the expensive rims at some point from the side if you hit a rock at a certain angle cause the tire is not tall enough (been there, several times). and even with super low pressure the bike will skip around where on 50mm+ you just plow through without even noticing.
i would see this rim more on a fast allround bike, for example with schwalbes new 38mm pro one tire. you can go really low pressure without tire squirm due to the wide inner width for super comfort over rough cobbles and tarmac and still have aerodynamic benefits.
Would a wider rim like this be more easily damaged?
They should sell tires with wheelset if they have like 2 pairs compatible right now.
We’re acting like tubeless tires have yet been fitted to a 30mm+ hookless rim :)) have you ever seen a mtb recently? The guy from zipp talkin like they reinvented the wheel when they’ve only made it as wide as a mtb rim.
Geraint Thomas now working for Zipp?
😂😂😂😂 Took me a second
The Canyon grail fits a 42 tire in the rear and a 46 in the front, but that’s with Canyon mudguards
You could fit a 50 in the front and a 45 in the rear depending on the wheels and tires
Pros are running G-One RS 45s on their Grails
Have you tried this yourself on your Grail?
@@davidarthur Current set up grail CFR V2
Yes. No rub when smashing the pedals with race tape frame protection. I did have to trim the long hairs on the tire with a beard trimmer
47 pathfinder pro in the front. Measures to 46 (30 psi)
42 pathfinder pro in the rear and measures to 43.5 (35 psi)
DTC Swiss GRC 1100 hookless wheels / 24mm internal width
Will this work with the 50mm Goodyear Peak tires?
I really do not see a downside to these. I mean, I do not buy most of the marketing BS but will probably buy these because they look good and as I said-no obvious downside.
Hey, these tires to too narrow. Where are the big meat tires? More air = more better.
All these bikes with only 50mm clearance is sleeping on big tire gains.
we will see monster gravel arrow bikes that come loaded with 2-2.2" tires next spring i bet. People riding these small tires are going to be slower, people are already stuffing the biggest tires they can. Some are running MTB in the front, Gravel in the back.
Light Bicycle launched a 30mm internal, 40mm external, 44mm deep rim last year. Modal: WG44
Also, the distance of the rim to the ground on this tire looks tiny compared to other 40mm... Also 40mm would fit on my 10 year old cross bike.
Truth. My gravel bike only fits a 42 in the rear but will fit up to a 50 in the front (I run a pathfinder 47) and the difference between the front and rear tire is crazy. The front rolls so smooth over gravel while the rear hops and skips around. Whenever I upgrade my bike, I'm going 47 or 50 minimum tires all the time. Long rides are so smoooooooth, pavement or not.
They are gravel race wheels. Pros are racing 38 to 42, unless that one gravel race Unbound
People are acting like MTB hasn’t been running hookless for years, with narrower internal widths, and narrower rim edge/sidewall dimensions than this.
I’d bet we’ll end up seeing 28 mm internal widths on the road within the next couple years from the more progressive brands, and 25 becoming the conservative standard from the likes of Giant and Specialized.
A lot of the road world are completely oblivious to MTB.........
@@Andy_ATB Yeah, I’m not big into MTB (I ride once every couple weeks or so) I prefer road, but I still like to understand what’s going on in that side of the world, and I work on the stuff for my dad and his friends. Theres a fairly clear direction the industry is headed in, and it’s kind of funny how most the market can’t see it with all the “writing on the wall”.
I am no expert my self, but from what I read, the tire pressure makes it a whole different ball game on road.
With road going lower pressure recently, the differences are smaller though.
gonna make a 650b version?
Way too much dish these wheels would be a nightmare in a Kansas cross wind.
I'll stick with my Industry Nine AR 40 wheels. 25mm/35mm, 40mm depth and hooked. 1439 grams with tape and valves installed.
@13:14 - that line. David says "You could put a mountain bike tire on here" and the Zipp guy says "you *physically* could, but [to ride it safely] it would have to be listed on our compatibility chart". That is super annoying. I have hookless road wheels and I like them. I do believe the design is good. But this stuff from them like you have to only use certain specific tires that they *give you permission* to use or else you might die. And then you get brand competition problems where they won't test or wont add certain brands to their compatibility chart even though they probably would work great. Come on guys... Seems like you should make hybrid hook wheels or something more compatible with real tires in the real world.
Good old cover your ass till they work with more brands that are not as good at hiding products under development
He has to make a disclaimer simply because they haven't tested a lot of tires yet, so it is just to be on the safe side. With time this list will grow, dont worry about that.
Also, unlike the road wheels, hookless is OK here as you will be running your 40/45 mm tires at well below 3 bars, so no worries.
@@michaelcawley7400 Exactly
Is it okay to run a 40mm tire on a 32mm internal hookless? I have a set of 30mm internal 650b hookless wheels and everything I read says to use a min of 47mm tires
Edit: got further into the video and saw they only recommend their specific tires.
There is no answer to your question. You have to refer to the individual tire manufacturers
Everything is possible, but there is a higher risk. Test it an you'll know.
..so now we have even stiffer wheels, surely this affects vertical compliance? These wheels are tire killers with that insane aero profile. How many riders realistically will be able to take full advantage of this design? And still banging the hookless drum when we all know what we know. I reckon Zipp , shouid add a Liipp. See what I did there
Ikon 2.0 on pacenti rims for me
32mm/40mm width 😳
Can’t ride single track width trails anymore
😂
Only two on compatibility chart at present 😂😂
If you need to do that much for compatibility ... I think it's a hookless issue.
Conti Race Kings and Schwalbe Thunder Burts are not on the list. No buy for me.
The wheels are not designed for these tires.
Who cares if you‘re buying or not anyways?
Race Kings have been some of my favorite tires for years now. Better than the typical gravel tire.
I dont see a problem with mtb tires, they’re all designed for hookless
No questions about walking back on hookless?
Yes I asked them about hookless towards the end of the interview
@@davidarthur Thank you
Any wheel that needs a tire compatibility chart is not safe for consumers. They want to put the risk onto the consumer.
Cry more, don’t buy them then. Stay slow.
I have nothing but bad experience with WTB tyres in the past. Their gravel are very puncture prone. I have Zipp 303 Firecrest on my gravel and I love them. However, these new wheels seem not but hassle with very limited tyre choice. Also I don't ride at average speed of 22 mph on gravel. Try doing this in the UK. Where is not gravel as in the America. I Rode the Gralloch and it is forest fire roads ad not America gravel farm roads.
We Have a Canyon Grail CF Gravel Bike, Just Minus The Mountain Bike Wheels 😁
Or I could just buy rims with a hook and not go outside standards and not have to limit myself to what's on your chart
The reason for the charts is because the rims are 40mm wide -- what other rims are this wide?
@@LeConcerto The reason for the chart is because they go outside of the safety standards setup, They could of just put hooks on the rims and then you could run any tire you wanted, but that would mean admitting that hookless isn't perfect and Zipp apparently is willing to die on that hill, so I for one will just let them die.
3T @@LeConcerto
@@EliCriffield So run a 50mm+ wide tire if you'd prefer to conform to the ETRTO standards? No one's saying you can't do that. Consult the chart if you're specifically looking to pair it with a 40mm tire, i.e. the end-user is looking to go outside of standards. On that note, the rule of 105 isn't "safe" since tire manufacturers dont design tires to be ridden on their (what is essentially) sidewalls.
I would argue that a the collaborative approach that Zipp is taking with the tire manufacturers is a better process than ETRTO standards. Both manufacturers have something to lose.
@lancescarborough1 The two wheels that I saw 3T stock aren't apples to apples. 40mm wide external, but "only" 29mm internal vs Zipp's 32mm -- it's the internal width that allows a tire to open up. But since you brought them up, they also weigh 200g more, despite being shallower.
I'm not a fan of hookless, but it'd be ignorant to say there aren't any measurable gains.
@@LeConcerto I'm saying as a consumer i have a choice to buy hooked rims or hookless rims, and hooked rims are safer, i'll just buy those
Cool a chart is required to change tyres...
there was always a chart
There was a chart before, but now there is a chart from a specific manufacturer for a specific wheel with specific tires...
@@squngy0 yeah because this is a new standard and it makes total sense
Bottom line, i will not ride wheels if there's even the remotet possibility of the tyre rolling off the rim, and hookless seems to me to be exactly that.
But of course he's descending/passing on the left hand side lol
Lol sticking to dimples and no hooked rim...so close to being amazing
Im not a fan of hookless om road, but aeeing how this is a 40mm min width, what's the issue? No one is running these at 70psi+.
@@LeConcerto Cuz if you lose PSI as you start getting a flat, hooks keep the tire from rolling right off the rim and getting you killed. You don't need seatbelts when there's no problems, so we should remove them from cars too.
@@ZenEndurance touche.
Nice, but cray expensive. Out of reach for everyone who isn’t a pro or a trust fund baby.
lol
Too bad 40mm isn’t even close to what competitors will be sporting.
Hahaha aero gravel wheels while using bar bags and disc brakes!!!! 😆😆😆😆😆
Disc brakes are faster. Tested in the windtunel
@@laurenz323 🐑
Too wide for my taste…
At this point, buy an XC bike. I
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If you’re using carbon anything on gravel, you’ve got too much money.
been riding carbon gravel and MTB for years now. No issues. Also CF frames and wheels are not expensive to manufacture anymore, just marketing markup. You can buy direct from China without the markup, often the same mould. Or you can buy from a local wheelbuilder who will do QC on the rim and install the spokes locally.
@@lechprotean Kinda true. If the carbon is solid, like crank arms and wheels, they are now tough AF.
If you ride for exercise you want heavier and less aero dynamic to make it harder. If your riding for the adrenalin rush you want hard narrow tyres to make the descent more exciting.
@@davemoss6976 Hard, narrow tyres went out with the Ark.
@@paddymurphy-oconnor8255 John Dunlop made cycling far too easy.