I love this machine I got the battery powered flash mobile. I use the crap out of it mainly for automotive key duplication I primarily use clamp C for most automotive key also have a couple of the Futura Auto code cutting key machines I don’t use the shoulder gauge ever. I’ve been cutting Keys so long I’m just used to eyeballing the tips.
Over time yes, usually you are only originating one key with them to duplicate so it will take longer to wear down. Mostly it's when you are duplicating dozens of one key. But, yes if you use S&D keys often, you may consider originating new ones once in a while. - Kilo
What are cheapest small manual duplicating machines in the market? How much do you charge per one house key including cutting? What is the make of this machine?
This Model is very affordable and reliable. The HPC Mini Speedex may be cheaper, but HPC makes quality products. The only downside to the Mini Speedex is the belt tend to break with heavy use. If you buy it, definitely order a handful of belts lol I have heard mixed reviews on the X-Horse machines, but this model personally for the low price tag has been the most reliable I have owned when it comes to smaller duplicators. This model is the Silca Flash 008
The average cost for a KW1 key copy at Walmart is $2 the copy a key machines charge on average $2.50 unless it’s a custom decal or color than the price goes up a dollar. Walmart and Lowe’s would be the common placement of the copy a key machines. The Walmart I shop at has an auto center so logically that’s where you would go, as it would normally be situated in the paint section. Just a few thoughts. I’m curious to know what’s the average price a locksmith would charge at their brick and mortar storefront
My shop a KW1 is $1.50 per key copy. It does go up depending on the type of blank, custom blanks etc.. Some shops charge much more than mine, some charge $2.50-$3.50 or more per copy depending where you go, some charge $5.00 for customs. I have seen some shops who overcharge for everything, but the majority stay competitive. I've had many customers come in to have copies made after they previously went to Walmart or Hardware stores first because their machines are not always calibrated and they do cut tons of keys throughout the day. They aren't locksmiths, so if you want a key copied and the original key has a worn shoulder, worn cuts etc.. the copy will be a 2nd gen duplicate of a worn down key. Bringing it to a Lock Shop we can originate the key in those cases, even in cases you bring in a broken/bent/twisted key we can copy those as well. Just some reasons to get copies made at a Lock Shop. The extra charge(usually) is for the Locksmiths knowledge and wear on their own machines. - Kilo
@@LockandKilo There are ways to flatten a key back out, such as putting a large washer over it and hammering it back in place now that’s not to say the key isn’t prone to breakage later. I do agree that the run of the mill employee of Walmart is not a locksmith who professionally cuts keys. And I’ve seen a few different types of key cutting machines, including one that has a box on a wire string A through D and two slots one for the original and one for the blank. I would say the automated machines make a cleaner copy, but many places still use the set up you have, everyplace is different. Where I live the township has no brick and mortar storefront locksmith and there are only 6 mobile locksmiths in the county. Again everyplace is different, and yes the copy would be a worn down 2nd gen but the common person who doesn’t think much regarding their keys will go cheap and fast, me personally when I had a gf I always compared the original to the copy after the work is done to make sure the cuts are even. As a suggestion for the 300 subscribers give away I’d suggest a set of bump keys made by you. Could be as simple as the 3 most common or the 5 most common or more if your as good as you seem than it would be a better giveaway than a cheap James Bond credit card lock pick set.
@@BelmontClan Yeah, you can flatten out a key sometimes, but being made of metal it is prone to breakage once its twisted once. There are many key machines hardware stores use, even lockshops. However, working in 3 massive shops they all relied on this type of machine over the fancy automatic ones. Also, for the instructional video I used something that an apprentice or hobbyist would most likely be using. I can probably (if I tried) cut about 5 or 6 duplicates on this manual duplicator in the time someone sets up the auto and cuts one. Everyone likes to go for these high-priced, fancy machines, but these little manual duplicators are champions, especially in Mobile setups. Yeah, when you live in a town with limited Locksmiths, sometimes you can only rely on hardware stores, so I get it. The 2nd gen copy issue was what I meant when I said I've had customers have their keys copied at a hardware store and not work, or they have to press hard or jiggle the key to make it work. Also, lets say you have a key with worn cuts, many people think a duplicate is a brand new original. So, they will sometimes discard the original or if they lose or break it, they now have to rely on that 2nd gen copy. Now, they go to the hardware store for another copy and it now becomes a 3rd gen copy of a 2nd gen copy of a worn down original. So, say they give that to their spouse, roommate etc.. and that person gets a copy of the 3rd gen... now it's already in 'jiggle' territory, they now come back with a 4th gen and maybe swap it on their keychain as it's shiny and new... then it starts giving them problems and they bring it to the locksmith... As a locksmith if I see someone bring in a Walmart/Hardware Brand key, I always originate a new one to decrease the chance they come back angry that I gave them a 5th gen key that has issues. I will bring it back to the factory key they once had... granted they may just have issues forcing over their key so long the pins can be damaged. Also, yeah I have been putting together a list for giveaway prizes as I see the sub count is climbing quickly. The first giveaway prize was actually a set of Bump Keys that I cut in my shop. I always make my own bump keys. I have been thinking about possibly a pick kit, a set of bump keys with square bows and other items for prizes. But, thanks for the suggestion.
@@LockandKilo yea that would work or take a cheap Chinese pick set with the painted on and sandwiched handles and put the work into it like Lock Noob did and polish it up and add some marine grade heat shrink tubing and extra tensioners in there maybe even a few homemade picks of bogata style made from spring steel and made with sandwiched handles might be a good intermediate pick set for someone who doesn’t have one. Just a little outside the box thinking, I’d even say a few key depth gauges with the bump keys. Might be an interesting mix.
@@BelmontClan Not sure about Lock Noob ever doing that, I don't really follow many of the top locksport channels except for challenge lock videos, those are the reason I even found out Locksport was a thing. LPL, BB and Lock Noob seem to have great reputations, they seem to be legit pickers and I have respect for anyone who dedicates that kind of time into practice to get to that level as picking locks isn't as easy as they make it look. I think Lock Noob has inspired or developed a handful of Sparrows tools if I am not mistaken. I recently picked up a Gut Wrench from them and I recall his name being in the description. I have no issues with any of them or what they choose to giveaway to their followers. It's their choice to even offer a giveaway. I personally chose to do them as a way to thank my subscribers for bringing me ideas for content, all their questions help me hone in on topics to help others. The winner of the James Bond card was very excited and happy with their prize. It might not have been a fancy pick kit, but it is a cool novelty for someone's collection that also can be used for a legit lockout. Maybe I have just been picking locks so long that I can pick with anything really, not saying I am an amazing picker, just that I could open common locks with ease with that kit and the picks never bent or seemed flimsy. Mainly I thought it was a cool giveaway idea at the time and just like anyone else on their own respective channels, it's up to them to giveaway anything. I have no beef with the Lock Sport world, most of the hate that comes to my channel is from other 'Locksmiths' who dislike that I am showing others how to perform the job. The Locksport community has been supportive of my channel so far, I am not competition to them or anyone really. My channel is less about competition with others and more about teaching and inspiring others to get into the trade or hobby. I thought about S&D keys as a giveaway but, not many subscribers own a key machine, so it would be an odd thing for someone to own in that case lol I may do more Bump Key giveaways in the future, maybe a wider variety or something. I know many liked the idea of a pick kit, some who donated to the channel suggested maybe another pick kit in the future would be a nice prize, or another type of tool. It's all in fun tho, people enjoy winning something and others enjoy seeing someone win, they all enjoy great content which is my ultimate goal to give to my subscribers.
Bottom shoulder gauging works 100% of the time 90% of the time. Most manufacturers of blanks and key machines recommend NOT gauging from the bottom shoulder (including Silca/Ilco). In reality, I’m sure bottom shoulders are a lot more dimensionally consistent these days but I definitely don’t know if I’d be ready to recommend that technique yet.
I love this machine I got the battery powered flash mobile. I use the crap out of it mainly for automotive key duplication I primarily use clamp C for most automotive key also have a couple of the Futura Auto code cutting key machines I don’t use the shoulder gauge ever. I’ve been cutting Keys so long I’m just used to eyeballing the tips.
So, is a key duplicator just a faster way of impressioning a key?
Great tips and tricks!P.S. If tracing keys wears them down over time, would you also recommend replacing space and depth keys over time as well?
Over time yes, usually you are only originating one key with them to duplicate so it will take longer to wear down. Mostly it's when you are duplicating dozens of one key. But, yes if you use S&D keys often, you may consider originating new ones once in a while. - Kilo
What are cheapest small manual duplicating machines in the market? How much do you charge per one house key including cutting?
What is the make of this machine?
This Model is very affordable and reliable.
The HPC Mini Speedex may be cheaper, but HPC makes quality products.
The only downside to the Mini Speedex is the belt tend to break with heavy use. If you buy it, definitely order a handful of belts lol
I have heard mixed reviews on the X-Horse machines, but this model personally for the low price tag has been the most reliable I have owned when it comes to smaller duplicators.
This model is the Silca Flash 008
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The average cost for a KW1 key copy at Walmart is $2 the copy a key machines charge on average $2.50 unless it’s a custom decal or color than the price goes up a dollar.
Walmart and Lowe’s would be the common placement of the copy a key machines.
The Walmart I shop at has an auto center so logically that’s where you would go, as it would normally be situated in the paint section.
Just a few thoughts.
I’m curious to know what’s the average price a locksmith would charge at their brick and mortar storefront
My shop a KW1 is $1.50 per key copy. It does go up depending on the type of blank, custom blanks etc.. Some shops charge much more than mine, some charge $2.50-$3.50 or more per copy depending where you go, some charge $5.00 for customs. I have seen some shops who overcharge for everything, but the majority stay competitive.
I've had many customers come in to have copies made after they previously went to Walmart or Hardware stores first because their machines are not always calibrated and they do cut tons of keys throughout the day. They aren't locksmiths, so if you want a key copied and the original key has a worn shoulder, worn cuts etc.. the copy will be a 2nd gen duplicate of a worn down key.
Bringing it to a Lock Shop we can originate the key in those cases, even in cases you bring in a broken/bent/twisted key we can copy those as well. Just some reasons to get copies made at a Lock Shop. The extra charge(usually) is for the Locksmiths knowledge and wear on their own machines. - Kilo
@@LockandKilo There are ways to flatten a key back out, such as putting a large washer over it and hammering it back in place now that’s not to say the key isn’t prone to breakage later.
I do agree that the run of the mill employee of Walmart is not a locksmith who professionally cuts keys.
And I’ve seen a few different types of key cutting machines, including one that has a box on a wire string A through D and two slots one for the original and one for the blank.
I would say the automated machines make a cleaner copy, but many places still use the set up you have, everyplace is different.
Where I live the township has no brick and mortar storefront locksmith and there are only 6 mobile locksmiths in the county.
Again everyplace is different, and yes the copy would be a worn down 2nd gen but the common person who doesn’t think much regarding their keys will go cheap and fast, me personally when I had a gf I always compared the original to the copy after the work is done to make sure the cuts are even.
As a suggestion for the 300 subscribers give away I’d suggest a set of bump keys made by you.
Could be as simple as the 3 most common or the 5 most common or more if your as good as you seem than it would be a better giveaway than a cheap James Bond credit card lock pick set.
@@BelmontClan Yeah, you can flatten out a key sometimes, but being made of metal it is prone to breakage once its twisted once.
There are many key machines hardware stores use, even lockshops. However, working in 3 massive shops they all relied on this type of machine over the fancy automatic ones. Also, for the instructional video I used something that an apprentice or hobbyist would most likely be using.
I can probably (if I tried) cut about 5 or 6 duplicates on this manual duplicator in the time someone sets up the auto and cuts one. Everyone likes to go for these high-priced, fancy machines, but these little manual duplicators are champions, especially in Mobile setups.
Yeah, when you live in a town with limited Locksmiths, sometimes you can only rely on hardware stores, so I get it.
The 2nd gen copy issue was what I meant when I said I've had customers have their keys copied at a hardware store and not work, or they have to press hard or jiggle the key to make it work.
Also, lets say you have a key with worn cuts, many people think a duplicate is a brand new original. So, they will sometimes discard the original or if they lose or break it, they now have to rely on that 2nd gen copy. Now, they go to the hardware store for another copy and it now becomes a 3rd gen copy of a 2nd gen copy of a worn down original.
So, say they give that to their spouse, roommate etc.. and that person gets a copy of the 3rd gen... now it's already in 'jiggle' territory, they now come back with a 4th gen and maybe swap it on their keychain as it's shiny and new... then it starts giving them problems and they bring it to the locksmith...
As a locksmith if I see someone bring in a Walmart/Hardware Brand key, I always originate a new one to decrease the chance they come back angry that I gave them a 5th gen key that has issues. I will bring it back to the factory key they once had... granted they may just have issues forcing over their key so long the pins can be damaged.
Also, yeah I have been putting together a list for giveaway prizes as I see the sub count is climbing quickly. The first giveaway prize was actually a set of Bump Keys that I cut in my shop. I always make my own bump keys. I have been thinking about possibly a pick kit, a set of bump keys with square bows and other items for prizes. But, thanks for the suggestion.
@@LockandKilo yea that would work or take a cheap Chinese pick set with the painted on and sandwiched handles and put the work into it like Lock Noob did and polish it up and add some marine grade heat shrink tubing and extra tensioners in there maybe even a few homemade picks of bogata style made from spring steel and made with sandwiched handles might be a good intermediate pick set for someone who doesn’t have one.
Just a little outside the box thinking, I’d even say a few key depth gauges with the bump keys.
Might be an interesting mix.
@@BelmontClan Not sure about Lock Noob ever doing that, I don't really follow many of the top locksport channels except for challenge lock videos, those are the reason I even found out Locksport was a thing.
LPL, BB and Lock Noob seem to have great reputations, they seem to be legit pickers and I have respect for anyone who dedicates that kind of time into practice to get to that level as picking locks isn't as easy as they make it look.
I think Lock Noob has inspired or developed a handful of Sparrows tools if I am not mistaken. I recently picked up a Gut Wrench from them and I recall his name being in the description.
I have no issues with any of them or what they choose to giveaway to their followers. It's their choice to even offer a giveaway. I personally chose to do them as a way to thank my subscribers for bringing me ideas for content, all their questions help me hone in on topics to help others.
The winner of the James Bond card was very excited and happy with their prize. It might not have been a fancy pick kit, but it is a cool novelty for someone's collection that also can be used for a legit lockout. Maybe I have just been picking locks so long that I can pick with anything really, not saying I am an amazing picker, just that I could open common locks with ease with that kit and the picks never bent or seemed flimsy.
Mainly I thought it was a cool giveaway idea at the time and just like anyone else on their own respective channels, it's up to them to giveaway anything. I have no beef with the Lock Sport world, most of the hate that comes to my channel is from other 'Locksmiths' who dislike that I am showing others how to perform the job.
The Locksport community has been supportive of my channel so far, I am not competition to them or anyone really. My channel is less about competition with others and more about teaching and inspiring others to get into the trade or hobby.
I thought about S&D keys as a giveaway but, not many subscribers own a key machine, so it would be an odd thing for someone to own in that case lol
I may do more Bump Key giveaways in the future, maybe a wider variety or something. I know many liked the idea of a pick kit, some who donated to the channel suggested maybe another pick kit in the future would be a nice prize, or another type of tool. It's all in fun tho, people enjoy winning something and others enjoy seeing someone win, they all enjoy great content which is my ultimate goal to give to my subscribers.
Bottom shoulder gauging works 100% of the time 90% of the time. Most manufacturers of blanks and key machines recommend NOT gauging from the bottom shoulder (including Silca/Ilco). In reality, I’m sure bottom shoulders are a lot more dimensionally consistent these days but I definitely don’t know if I’d be ready to recommend that technique yet.
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