We just drove from Bulgaria to the Scottish Highlands and back-10,000 km in our 2009 Ford Focus. It was a carbon-positive, freedom-loving excursion of delight. As we drove West from Budapest onwards we began to see more EVs and the number increased steadily as we headed for Rotterdam. No one had as many in evidence as the UK. What a bunch of corporate virtue signallers there are. In France they've put charging points under canopies, 12 of them at each service station we visited ( never saw anyone using them) and you'd still have to uncouple your caravan or trailer if you needed to use them. The eco nutters will have to take the keys to my car from my cold, dead hand. Never buying one. Forget it!
On my road trip yesterday to Derby and back I only saw 9 EVs on the road. It’s my new I spy catergory. Now lots of pre registered EVs in all the main dealers and the sales staff and all management are forced to have one. I can only think people don’t travel in EVs because they are so inconvenient that people don’t travel in them Maybe people have a diesel for weekend road trips. The charging system on the roads is not being improved, I think this is because of charging times there is no profit or business argument in charging an EV. A petrol pump turns over a £1200 pounds an hour an EV charger £20 to £40 an hour. The servicing and transaction costs make this an unsustainable business model. There is a big problem for EV sales as private car dealerships won’t touch them and the first gen cars are now up for the 3 year upgrades. In the local BMW dealership there’s a shortage of petrol cars as people don’t want a second EV car. There must be more to the EV transitioning because I can’t see a reason apart from restricting the freedom and liberty enjoyed through travelling for local Environmental virtual signalling.
So the environment doesn't matter to you or climate change caused by human evolution. Nice to hear you don't care. If fuel was increased to £2 a litre you might think again so let me know when you get a non ICE car as price increases are on the way.
@@tobycolin6271 Basically, yes, statistically most Teslas are purchased as a third or fourth car (not even a second one!), we don't have the stats for other EVs, but probably the same. EVs are fantastic as a third or fourth car to get the kids to school. But if you can only afford to own a single car or even 2 cars, an EV doesn't make practical sense for most people, most of the time.
@@RBcymru Even if you removed every single vehicle from the roads completely in the UK, this would account for less than 1% of global emissions and will be immeasurable for climate change. Also fuel did jump to £2 last year, this led to electricity to jump too. Right now as it stands, my diesel car costs 13.5p per mile (at £1.60 / litre) to run, home charging EV costs 17p per mile (day rate, unless you want to switch to a higher day rate to get night rates - note also 40%+ of the UK do not have off street parking), public charging costs 30p per mile - it makes driving an EV unaffordable for most (even if you ignore the inadequate range for many drivers). Considering 60% of our grid power comes from fossil fuels and our power plants are only 35% efficient, an EV is actually much worse for the climate when you factor in the mining, manufacturing, charging and longevity. Your average EV lasts 8-12 years before a £6k battery repair or £12-15k battery replacement, so at this point it becomes scrap for many. Your average ICE lasts 17 years and this is predicted to increase to 20 You are also better off burning the fossil fuel directly, instead of at the power station. Your diesel is around 35% efficient, like your power station, but you don't have the additional 10% loss to convert from AC to DC to charge the battery and another 10% loss to convert back to AC for your electric motor, plus 1% daily discharge rates, etc. You have to look at the full picture and the actual impact on the planet. Right now you're burning the same fossil fuel to power an EV, losing 65% of the power by the time it gets to your socket from the power station, then another 20% to charge/use, plus your daily 1% discharge. You've done nothing to reduce your emissions, but you've contributed to huge amounts of pain and suffering and earth destruction to create those batteries that have half the longevity of an ICE. So what have you solved? In some mythical future world where we figured out how to solve the power storage problem at the grid, where we figured out how to make solar panels without quartz and other rare earth minerals, when wind turbines last more than 15-20 years and when this renewable dream is affordable (even at 40% renewable, here in the UK we pay 10x more per kWh vs countries that use nuclear say). Once we solved all this, 20-50 years from now, and we have 100% renewable energy, then an EV might make perfect sense, if we can solve the range and longevity problems.
I have to say, being an EV driver who drives mostly local and Scottish trips, this video has completely shocked me, we are so far away from having a sufficient charging network and its going to get worse. Thanks for highlighting.
I'm a 62 year old guy who's self employed and lucky enough to have always lived in the Lincolnshire countryside. I have worked in London , the last time about 12 years ago, It must have changed a massive amount in that time. I am sure I will not ever drive their again or through any of the major cities for that matter. Trying to avoid cameras must be an absolute nightmare and obviously dangerous in doing so.....Utter madness....Stuff the cities ( and EV's...) By the way, Love the channel Lee.
Wow! A “feature length” road trip with The MacMaster. Brilliant. Thanks for taking the pain so we can all see what we’ve got to look forward to! A Masterclass of editing - must have taken HOURS 👌🏼
I can't wait for the day that I'll be able to afford an electric car. Eating crispy cremes and drinking Costa coffee all day, hanging around parking lots and getting into random brawls with strangers over charge spots, what more can a man want.
Average EV charging time in the UK is 29 minutes, which after 3-4 hours of driving is acceptable. If you can charge from home, you just plug it in and let it charge overnight while you sleep, and the majority of your journeys will cost 2-3p per mile. The savings are worth a little wait on long journeys, I would say.
Cost of coffee and unhealthy snack food alone crazy 😂😂😂. Doing my bit with wood pellets (as I thought) just don't look closely at their production or sky rocketing costs.😭
On the same day that you started your journey, I worked for 6 hours in Swansea, then drove to Liverpool. The roads were busy, but no problems at all. I got back home before you got to Darlington. But my car runs on unleaded!😊
I saw on another channel towing with an EV and the range dropped by half ! As you so rightly say “ they are crap “ thanks for a very interesting Video. 🙏😍🙏
Range will drop by half no matter what fuel the vehicle uses. That is basic physics. I have seen a number of EV towing videos, and none were the least bit scientific and should be disregarded as evidence of anything other than how not to do a range test..
Lee,lee, Absolutely brilliant blog. Me and my other half watched it .....we really felt for you. Your spot on ...Charge when you can and not when you have to . My boss had a company EV. He lasted 2 months . He's watched your blogs and he totally agrees with you. Not fit for purpose.....He did say.. " someone with a mental health issue ....this could tip them over the edge". Loved the blog . EV'S not the immediate future ... Stay safe . 👍
I quite regularly drive from western Europe,( where I live ) to England where my family live. My daughter and her family live in Devon, and my brothers and sisters families live in Yorkshire. I drive a diesel car and these journeys would be a real pain in the backside, and the wallet in an EV. I have no intention of owning an electric car, and already the EU has pushed back the date of allowed sales of ICE cars because it's been contested by manufacturers in a few countries. Electric cars are not the future. Love your blogs by the way, keep up the good work.
Hi Lee thank you so much for putting Zaine in the Vlog words can’t explain how chuffed he is he has watch it over and over and over again and told every single member of the family to subscribe. It was a pleasure to meet you your such a gentleman and keep up the great videos ❤
It’s insane, one thing l think that will happen in the future is the price of second hand petrol and diesel cars is the the price will go through the roof as the low income people simply can’t afford a new electric car, thoughts?
@@glennlingard7851 the price of petrol and diesel’s are going up 10 to 15% a month. There are no cheapULEZ complaint vehicles going through the auctions. Whilst BEVs remain un sold presenting the same cars month after month. You only have to look at the number of pre registered un sold BEVs that are piling up at the main dealers
@@glennlingard7851 in a recent weekend trip convertibles out numbered BEVs 18 to 1 this morning it was 5 to 1. On my drives the number of Porsche boxsters equals the number of BEVs scene. You never see BEVs on the road. There are more Audi Trs on the roads than BEVs but the sales figures say much different.
Hi MacMaster. As a former Mansfield resident who lived near the Dog and Duck, I love watching your videos remembering the places I have been. In relation to your comment on caravan towing, check out Andrew Ditton, He provides an honest view of towing electric. I tow a caravan weighing in at nearly two tonne, and there is limited choice of electric car capable of pulling this weight, there are also reports of the extra weight burning out the regenerative breaking systems. I travelled from South Wales to Abbey Wood with our caravan , a total of 200 miles. I achieved this on half a tank of diesel (combined weight 4 tonne), with an electric vehicle I would have had to charge at least once and would possibly have not made the camp site before it closed. Electric cars are fine for short commutes and town driving but they need further development for heavy loads and long trips.
Try it first don't let your prejudice blind you. When horses were the transport people said the same about the ice vehicles. When they tried them, they ate all the surplus horses! wasn't it the same when wide screen TV came along?
Best option for a electric local run around is a golf cart as you can get road legal ones. Plus with no extra items to power it will be great on battery life. In parts of America people do use golf carts for this exact reason.
@Mike Hipperson that pretty much is a golf cart in all honesty. The Ami to me looks like someone took design inspiration from a portable toilet. At least a golf cart has truck type styling.
Massive slump in electric cars sales over the last 12 months according to sky news , nobody wants them . I think people were buying them because they were the new trendy thing to have . Looks like the novelty has worn off 😂
It's mostly people leasing them through business as you can get approx 40% off in tax benefits. I had one but have since gone back to petrol. If the tax incentives are taken away, sales will definitely fall.
Prices of used EVs have come down, which should be celebrated as they are now available to a wider audience. However, the reason for this has nothing to do with no one wanting them as demand is still high. The price drop is basically because more used EVs have come to market for a number of different reasons. Previously, there had been long waiting times for new EVs, but that has now passed, so the premium EVs had enjoyed has come to an end. Earlier this year, Tesla slashed prices on its Model Y and 3 to put greater pressure on European manufacturers. This was despite the Tesla Model Y being the best-selling EV in Europe and the UK. In fact, it was the 3rd fastest selling car of all types in the UK last year, with only the Nissan Qasqai and the Vauxhall Corsa outselling it. In addition, many leases came to an end, and those EVs have come to market. I read that the availability of used EVs had increased by 264%, whilst demand was 48% in the first 3 months of this year. There is a lot of misinformation circulating, especially on social media, which could deter some people from buying an EV, but for anyone who has done their research properly, there is no reason not to buy a used EV.
OMG, the only thing that I guess you can be grateful for is- NOT getting electrocuted in the downpour😮 You’ve sold me on not wanting an ev, ever-too stressful 😱
All diesal and petrol drivers are laughing their heads off when they pul into a service station and see all those righteous people queuing up for two hours just to get home 😂😂😂 but they will still tell you that it's the best thing they have ever done 😂😂😂
Yeah but just think of all the miles those righteous people can drive for 2p per mile. Even Lee in his Taycan could drive 275 miles for around £6.60. 😊
Well done Lee for not having a nervous breakdown! I think the money you spent charging plus the food and drink could have paid for a first class seat on the train without the range anxiety! What's it like being a masochist?
I did that same journey last week on the same day as you, although I came up the M6. I'd filled up with diesel a few days earlier at Costco and got all the way home to just outside Edinburgh with about 150 miles of range to spare. I was stuck in traffic on the M6 though, but at least I didnt have to worry about fuel.
I like the idea of either a petrol plugin-in hybrid or hydrogen plugin h/b, the idea of plugging in for shorter journeys to the shop and back, but then the backup of quick fill and go fuel … best of both really! Nice video Lee 👍🏻👍🏻
I like the idea of a hybrid with a moderate-sized battery and a small engine used only to run a generator: no transmission. Ideally there would be a small electric motor on each wheel but probably that would be too expensive, despite its extreme simplicity and the potential for superb handling and performance.
@@markiangooley Its all about best of both! I think its a great idea. With the new E-Fuel announcements from Porsche I could see your idea becoming a reality.
Great video ! I'm so, so tempted to get a EV for my wife, just for the entertainment, fit a hidden camera ! Why do people buy these monstrosities, life is far too short ?
Lee, thoughs in power and authority, whom they may be, should be sent this vlog and get a real taste of what actually happens when you operate an electric video and it was exactly the right time to do this vlog, just when school holidays happen and everyone is out and scout travelling. This vlog is epic and important.
Picking up my brand new Peugeot 5008 DIESEL. 😂. On Thursday.. That's the way to go.. 👍 🙈 I'm with you Lee.. Will never get a EV Shame you can't. Change it at a reasonable price 🤔 We did chuckle at.. (Something else with Batterys) 😂😂😂
blimey how chaotic that was ! it would give me a nervous breakdown and panic attacks trying to find a free charging point , then having to wait a hour or so to fill it , couldn't cope with that , so much easier to go to a petrol station , xx
Not the best time to travel no matter what you drive. I checked the journey time, leaving at 7.30pm from London in an identical car, and you only need to stop twice to get to Edinburgh if leaving London with 90% charge and total charging time of 37 minutes for the 2 stops.
Lee yes. Towing a caravan will reduce your range by around 50%. The other problem is that people are having to unhitch the caravan before recharging because they stick out so far from the charging point.. It just doesn't work..
Yep, charging in the UK is not setup for towing yet. Your petrol or diesel car will also experience a loss in MPG/Range when towing - it's simple physics.
So last charge was 39 🇺🇸$ but the previous charge at the McDonald's was 58 🇺🇸$ And that was not a full charge either time. So lesson learned that ICE Cars are actually cheaper on a road trip than an EV. How ironic is that. Great video again Mac!! Now if only Porsche would own up to paying you what you're rightfully owed from them.
@@FullFact548 Why would anyone drive a Panamera!? 🤮 Personally I don't like 4 Door Porsche because they are trying to be something they are not. But otherwise Porsche cool. However I'm a Mercedes owner so can't say too much about Porsche.
Nice one mate, as usual showing everyone how mad it is to pretend that living with an EV is in any way practical... But we have to make allowances that some EVangelists who bought EVs now feel stupid but don't want to admit it. Remember Mark Twain's line: 'It's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled.'
I live in South Yorkshire, I just took my granddaughter's belongings to Gateshead Northumbria University my Peugeot 3008 1.6 diesel was packed to the roof. Did the whole journey with the aircon on, used a quarter of a tank. Never going electric. Thanks for the video, very open and informative, I've stopped looking at electric vehicles, I also like computers and technology. My diesel 3008 is also an ulez free of charge.
Hey Lee, another informative contribution my friend, these electric cars are a total waste of space. I'll stick to m 407 SW GT. That trip would have cost 44 pounds 👍😬
Acording to Scotty Kilner, the EU have already delayed the 2030 ICE deadline saying the infrastructure is simply not ready and the world economy is not allowing an increase in instalations, I wonder if the UK will follow suit.
It was on the News , but it was buried at the back...can't have any negative news about the EU right ?...Germany blocked , and said they should be exempt from it while the rest of the EU had to comply...yeah that's going to happen .
Thank you for showing how bad the infrastructure for ev is. Not a hope in hell we will ever have one, husband would have a heart attack with stress. Joanne and Dean from Yorkshire.
I did London to Edinburgh in a 1 litre BMC Mini in about 8 hours keeping to 60-65 all the way. Only one stop on the way to top up with 2 cans of petrol that I carried with me. Edit: You were talking about tractors but what about other machinery? I saw a video about a year ago where to do the 'right thing' the contractors on a building site hired an electric mini-digger. It was ok for the first 3 hours and got steadily slower over the next hour so they put it on charge. The charge to full took 8 effin hours and as there was no mains electricity on site, they had to use a diesel generator!
Many countries are now using electric mining and quarrying trucks and in Australia Caterpillar have built an electric quarrying truck that carries 265 tons of rock. Electric mini diggers are ideal for working in enclosed places where ventilation is limited.
Imagine all 33,000,000+ cars / vehicles currently on U.K. roads, going electric. Where would the infrastructure come from? The whole load of nonsense is designed to fail.
The same question was asked in the 1920's when petrol cars started becoming popular. Electricity is everywhere in this country, and the infrastructure will follow as EV adoption increases, although some beefing up will be required. But, the technology exists and is getting smarter all the time, and considering the average annual mileage driven in the UK, charging those 33 million cars shouldn't be an issue. Around 65% of homes in the UK have the potential to install a home charger according to the RAC Foundation, and with the range modern EVs have, most would only need to charge once a week at most. The average journey is 8.4 miles.
What an absolute trek of a journey. Can't get over the cost of £5.99 for a pasty ! Loved the border crossing ! Could you try to get someone who supports EVs to do a long journey with you and their comments ?
Your journeys remind me of when we had the fuel delivery drivers strike a few years ago. The only difference being that the queues were for petrol and diesel and fuel stations were rationing or had run out of fuel. A hybrid - possibly, full EV, no chance!
Yes, petrol stations do run out of fuel from time to time, and, on average, 70k people run out of petrol or diesel each month in the UK, leaving them stranded sometimes in the outside lane of a motorway. According to the AA, only 2% of call outs to EV drivers are because of running out of charge. EVs can and do long journeys, and the average annual mileage for EVs is actually higher than the national average for petrol cars. It is undeniable that much needs to be done to improve the charging infrastructure, but that will happen over time. The fact is EV adoption in the UK is happening quicker than the industry expected or planned for.
You do meet more people when travelling in an EV. On one recent journey, I met three new people on separate charging stops and they were all novice EV drivers needing help with the relative complexity of public charging. I obliged of course, because I have learned a lot over the last 9 years, having made most of the many mistakes that it is possible to make with the plethora of public charger types.
@@FullFact548 It is so easy at a petrol or diesel pump. Furthermore prices must be shewn BY LAW where they can be clearly seen from the road by potential users. None of that Osprey nonsense. It was 79.2 pence per kilowatt hour by the way ..... CRIMINAL !!! I wouldn't go into a supermarket where prices weren't shewn, select a number of unpriced items, hand over my credit card, not get a bill and then have to get back to the car before hunting through a load of apps to find out how much I had been charged. Trading Standards should be onto that Osprey mob tout de suite.
Hi - I watched your video of London to Edinburgh in your “Milk Float” I have a couple of comments. I think that you are so brave standing in a puddle of water holding the electrical charge cable for your car which is as thick as your wrist. You know what they say “Electricity and water make a fatal combination” AND I live in Wolverhampton and when my daughter was at Aberdeen University I used to drive in my petrol Mondeo the 430 miles to see her. The journey took 6 and a half hours (Breakfast in Wolverhampton and a late lunch in Aberdeen) and took one tank of fuel except for the last 10 miles. We have come such a long way as your video showed as it would now be a 2 day journey. Keep the videos coming?
My friend's Dad was a private pilot back in the 90s. He used to run his car on AvGas, then swapped it back to petrol (and a slight retune) for MOT time. Saved him a fortune 😃
To be honest, a hybrid makes more sense than full electric, no range anxiety for a long journey, when you get to a town or city, drive in electric, then on the motorway it's back to combustion engine
You have discovered just what my daughter with a company Mercedes EQC SUV who needs to visit clients face to face rather than just video calls has experienced overthe past two years. The Mercedes goes back soon and she will be glad to see the back of it. A Volvo XC 60 hybrid is replacing the Mercedes. If you are a business user who needs to cover more than 300 miles in a day buy a hybrid.
They are not putting in a cycle lane, they are making a lane for parking EV cars that have run out of charge. Then they will probably introduce a parking fee!
I am disabled and drive an automatic diesel Peugeot Partner wheelchair access vehicle with hand controls, to start with wheelchair access vehicles have a specially lowered floor at the rear and a ramp fitted in the WAV conversion, and it is not even possible to make an electric WAV because there is nowhere to put the huge battery pack that normally occupies pretty much the whole floor area, even the diesel WAV's have to have a smaller modified diesel tank because of the floor, but if you reduce the size of the battery pack and manage to squeeze it in somewhere, the range will be non existent. Also the range anxiety and charge times involved would make the whole experience far too stressful, it is bad enough when you are able bodied, just imagine how a disabled person would cope with all this, it would mean that a lot of disabled people would have to give up driving all together and do nothing or rely completely on other people, how is this the future.
I empathise with your concern, but don't agree that the potential problems are insurmountable. Also, some of the charging companies are providing charge bays for disabled drivers.
OK so the thing is that if a wheelchair user pulls up to a petrol forecourt they can request assistance to fill up. My experience is that even if you had a disability accessible spaces no one would be available to plug the vehicle in. So yeah, they're not disability friendly, and they may not be able to plan their journey as easily
This is the best way of demonstrating the failure of the so-called Electric Generation. You have just proved that this does not work. The infrastructure for this will never be installed in time for 2030. This is a joke. Great Video. Keep them coming.
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Actually towing a Caravan behind an EV is Easy. You do have to install a diesel generator in the caravan, but, that way you get the range, nowhere to sleep though, because the Generator uses the whole caravan.
nah i'll stick to my two 20+ year old indirect injection diesel cars that go on for around half a million miles! Great video btw. I'm surprised you slated them but actually bought one
@@FullFact548 i try to keep out of London and Oxford city. 15 min cities are coming and the rules will apply to all cars. My thoughts are by then i'll be living in Russia where there is much more freedom!
Goodness me what a palarva just to fuel your vehicle. I seriously couldn't be bothered with all that faff & stress. People forget also about other things which add to it such as waiting times in car parks before you have to pay etc. Naughty boy, how dare you use your EV on a bank holiday 😂 and sorry mate that footage in the pouring rain, with the charger saying "the computer says no" & you dripping soaking wet just had me laughing my butt off. 😂😂 WHY would anyone put themselves through this ?? And worse yet pay a fortune for one of these vehicles? The infrastructure is absolutely rubbish here which to be fair adds to the frustration. Anyway, amusing vid mate, keep em coming 👍
There's a guy on YT who drove a Taycan 4s from the New Forest up to the Scottish Highlands, a 1,500 mile trip a week before Christmas. The only charging problems he had were in Scotland when he didn't have the appropriate rfid tag, and it wouldn't connect from the app. In the end, he went to a local Tesla site and used their chargers
Yes, EVs turn every longer journey into an extreme sport, you get these weird comments of when people managed to do thousands of miles in an EV as some kind of impressive feat. I guess for the stress, effort and hassle, it is a bit extreme in an EV. By comparison 1,500 mile trip in a diesel is just a 5 minute break to refuel and a stay at a much nicer and cheaper hotel somewhere without an EV charger :) But I suppose it is entertaining, it's like watching someone do 1,000 miles on a pogo stick - of course it's possible, but not very convenient or practical :)
Couldn't agree more! I was talking to a guy and I said to him I'm going for a petrol hybrid next - I am fed up with lack of infrastructure. He said, "Me too - there's going to be quite a few Evs for sale in the next few years
You have the patience of a bloody saint! 😇. I’m stressed watching.. imagine of you were a mom with little kids in the car? AND- the cost isn’t that low - especially if you add ‘the cost per wasted hour, the money you spend on coffee and food while waiting around, or hotels you’re forced to used because you’re stranded.’
When I fill up my diesel, hand over £60 & know I have 300miles range, knowing range wont be reduced, if you have the heater, air conditioner, blowers, lights, wipers, or wheels slipping on Ice/snow, i am relatively happy. My time, my life, is worth more than wasting hours every a week trying to charge my hair dryer and having range stress every time I am to fo a 4 hour drive. EVs are a crock of shit!
First of all, all the things you mentioned that draw an electrical current do affect your fuel economy. The only difference is the amount of waste heat available to warm the cabin. A diesel wastes as much as 65% of its fuel in the heat generated from friction and combustion. Second, Lee's Taycan has a real-world range of 295 miles on a full charge from its 83.7 kWh battery, but let's 265 miles as you never want to fully deplete the battery. Third, Lee has a home charger and can plug in 30 seconds and allow the car to charge overnight while he sleeps. An EV specific tariff will provide the first 44.4 kWh at 7.5p per kWh costing £3.33 and the remainder (if needed) at 40p a kWh costing another £12.37. Total cost £15.70 or 6p per mile for 265 miles. Fourth, your diesel isn't a 402hp luxury sports saloon capable of 0-62 mph in 5.4 seconds and 154 mph flat out. I hope you don't count that information as EVangelist bullying.. 😊
@lucky sembry That depends on the EV as some are fitted with heat pumps, which reduce battery drain for heating the cabin and battery. Some EVs range may drop as much as 30% in winter, but cars with heat pumps under 20% is achievable. All cars use more fuel in freezing conditions as cold air is denser, creating more wind resistance. Also, an engine needs to be at running temperature to be its most efficient.
If anyone I know is considering an EV, I’ll just point them to your videos, Lee. You should invite one of the evangelist to plan your next journey. Travel together and let’s see how it works out. It’ll make a great video. Do you think any of them would be up for the challenge?
Ah man, Macmaster passing Newcastle, should have called in for a brew... a Yorkshire Tea! So two EV charges cost you over £90 (so far in the vid). You could have driven London to Edinburgh AND Back to London for that cost of diesel!! Also, the Angel of the North (not the blonde angel) is totally free to visit. Its basically a huge statue. EDIT: You asked those two ladies (at the border) what was the food of Durham. If you do a video in Newcastle, you need to try a Ham and Pease Pudding Stottie - a distinctly North Eastern sandwich.
Cheers Lee--enjoyed that.Being a logical soul with a modicom of common sense i will never,never have a electric vehicle.I cannot understand how anyone falls for all the hype and purchases one in the first place.
I just got back from an 805 mile trip in my dads truck with a 36 gallon fuel tank we stopped once for gas, for lunch and a couple rest stops lol couldn't imagine doing that in an EV!
@@FullFact548 SO ! You've got one of those have you ? at what cost ? His Dad's 10 year old truck will go on for years and years with very little depreciation. I would love to see the bill from even HALF a charge at one of those Osprey thingies at 79.2 pence per Kilowatt hour. How many 1 megawatt hour chargers are there in this country ? .... or in America ? How long would it take to charge at one of those Osprey thingies. Perhaps, you may consider starting a crowd funding to buy a Tesla thingy for his Dad .... AND to install reliable 1 megawatt hour chargers for his Dad and him to use on their 805 mile jaunts. You are in a dream world. BE SENSIBLE ! Also, I think you misunderstand the meaning of "truck" in Americanese. It is not the same as in English. Because of EU regulations, lorry/waggon fuel tanks are limited to a little under 330 imperial gallons (1,500 litres) in the EU, and by default, in neighbouring countries, NOT 30 imperial gallons as on his Dad's "truck". He didn't say that the fuel tank was full at the beginning of the journey .... with fuel readily available all over the place, why would he bother ? Neither did he say the tank was empty at the end. He just said that he made one stop for "gas" (that is "petrol" in English). He didn't say that he filled the tank to full at the stop or how much was still in the tank when he pulled into the convenient filling station. With a imperial gallon (different to US) costing about £3.60 in America, at 18 miles per imperial gallon, he would have used a little under 45 imperial gallons (20 pence per mile .... a great deal less than that 79.2 pence per kilowatt hour would have cost him at that Osprey thingy ..... for the equivalent of his Dad's "truck", that is, NOT a tiny Nissan Leaf or a Nissan Joke.
We run a motor van. Have done for the past 35 yrs. OK its diesel but tests have started on electric versions. Now check out the bonuses. When you need to stop for a charge and you also want a wee and perhaps a coffee/food. It's all there. In your very own electric motor home. And. When it gets late in the day and you finally find one jump into your bed. Just imagine the money you will save on all those coffees, eats and hotel beds. It's the way forward Lee. Happy motoring.
I assume we are looking at the end of, or at least a big downturn in, the touring caravan, campervan and motorhome market? And dont even think about what it will mean to the Cornish and Scottish tourist trade.🤔
The problem in my eyes is not just the availability of chargers but also the time it takes to recharge. If an EV takes longer to charge than it takes to put petrol in a normal car then it's pointless.
Charging at home while you sleep? Stopping every 150-200 miles for a 30-minute charge and a refreshment break? No smelly fumes coming out of an exhaust pipe? I think the issue is more positive than you believe
@@FullFact548 Charging at home... 🤣... Stopping every 150-200 miles for a 30-minute charge ..... more like 3 hour break, IF you can get on a charger..... smelly fumes..... sorry, don't put my mouth round pipes! 😂 ..... you guys are 🐑
Exactly right, Stephen. The true believers keep yapping that any day now there will be more chargers (largely subsidized by taxpayers, of course). But if they could wave a magic wand and transform every gas pump into a charging point, it still would be a nightmare when nearly every car on the road is plug-in electric. Because everybody would have to sit there for an eternity waiting for a charge, compared to a few minutes to fill a gas or diesel tank. Rapid charging at home isn't possible because most homes, at least here in the US, have only 120V and 240V circuits. The Ford F-150 Lightning pickup truck takes 10-15 hours to charge at 240 volts, and 4-6 days at 120 volts. If these EV contraptions are so great, why can't they stand on their own in the marketplace?
@@rwalkenhorst Absolutely right. You forgot that it is the taxes of WORKING people that pay for the subsidies so that the rich and well off can buy and run their playthings.
Usually only watch the food videos, clicked on this , realised it was about cars ,skipped through it , heard the words “let’s turn the milk float off” and spat out my tea 😂😂😂
As a biker, I would hate an electric bike. Not only the malarkey of finding chargers, but having to carry charging leads, too. Plus, the silence of the motor, will probably cause quite a lot of accidents...loud pipes save lives!
7.2 million EVs sold last around the world, which was a 16% market share of all new cars sold. Sales in the UK this year already after increasing by 40% last year. Plug-in electric car registrations in the UK - February 2023 BEVs: 12,310 (up 18% year-over-year) at a market share of 16.5% PHEVs: 4,723 (up 1% year-over-year) at a market share of 6.3% Total: 17,033 (up 13% year-over-year) at a market share of 22.9% Looks like they are more than catching on.
To put your travel cost into some sort of perspective,we fill up our Kia Sportage at Tesco in Toton,Notts,drive to the speed limits fully loaded for a week in Northwest Scotland. Route is A52,A50,M6,M74,M8,A82 and we don't need to fill up again till we get to Morrisons at Ft William,thats 2people,all luggage for the week for about £65 in diesel,cheaper than driving electric and without the stress.
Keep up the good work lad. As things get worse & worse on the EV front, you should hit a million subscribers within the next couple of years or so. And, when the EV brown stuff hits the fan, you will be on record with your entirely correct 'I told you so'.
Remember nearly 20 years ago Jeremy Clarkson did this journey there and back on one tank of fuel in a Audi A8 diesel. Progress seems to be not progressing well. By the way had a advert for a Renault EV van saying Renault EV vans keeping your business moving. Great joke Renault 😂.
I've been driving ICE vehicles for 67 years and expect my diesel SUV to out live me so an EV choice is not going to happen but I hear what you say and sympathise. All of the many cars I've owned have been fit for purpose. They went when I wanted them to and as far as I wanted them to. Lastly I've never had a McDonald's of any kind. Enjoyed the vlog.
DON'T EVEN DREAM OF BEING TEMPTED ! The McDonald's, that is. I have only had one experience when dragged to one by companions .... never again ...... over-priced plastic .... packaging AND what passes as nourishment.
The MacMaster keeps saying EVs aren't fit for purpose, but it's the charging network that is the current problem, not the cars themselves. His car may not be suitable for his needs but is the penalty of buying a high-performance luxury sports car
Very entertaining! I've come over from Geoff Buys Cars, he said we'd enjoy your vids and he isnt wrong. I dont have an EV just a lovely old diesel A3 Quattro, im waiting till they get the battery right, Samsung got there in the end, i have faith. Great watching your journey 😉
We just drove from Bulgaria to the Scottish Highlands and back-10,000 km in our 2009 Ford Focus. It was a carbon-positive, freedom-loving excursion of delight. As we drove West from Budapest onwards we began to see more EVs and the number increased steadily as we headed for Rotterdam. No one had as many in evidence as the UK. What a bunch of corporate virtue signallers there are.
In France they've put charging points under canopies, 12 of them at each service station we visited ( never saw anyone using them) and you'd still have to uncouple your caravan or trailer if you needed to use them.
The eco nutters will have to take the keys to my car from my cold, dead hand. Never buying one. Forget it!
Same here. Well said.
On my road trip yesterday to Derby and back I only saw 9 EVs on the road. It’s my new I spy catergory.
Now lots of pre registered EVs in all the main dealers and the sales staff and all management are forced to have one.
I can only think people don’t travel in EVs because they are so inconvenient that people don’t travel in them
Maybe people have a diesel for weekend road trips.
The charging system on the roads is not being improved, I think this is because of charging times there is no profit or business argument in charging an EV. A petrol pump turns over a £1200 pounds an hour an EV charger £20 to £40 an hour. The servicing and transaction costs make this an unsustainable business model.
There is a big problem for EV sales as private car dealerships won’t touch them and the first gen cars are now up for the 3 year upgrades. In the local BMW dealership there’s a shortage of petrol cars as people don’t want a second EV car.
There must be more to the EV transitioning because I can’t see a reason apart from restricting the freedom and liberty enjoyed through travelling for local Environmental virtual signalling.
So the environment doesn't matter to you or climate change caused by human evolution. Nice to hear you don't care. If fuel was increased to £2 a litre you might think again so let me know when you get a non ICE car as price increases are on the way.
@@tobycolin6271 Basically, yes, statistically most Teslas are purchased as a third or fourth car (not even a second one!), we don't have the stats for other EVs, but probably the same. EVs are fantastic as a third or fourth car to get the kids to school.
But if you can only afford to own a single car or even 2 cars, an EV doesn't make practical sense for most people, most of the time.
@@RBcymru Even if you removed every single vehicle from the roads completely in the UK, this would account for less than 1% of global emissions and will be immeasurable for climate change.
Also fuel did jump to £2 last year, this led to electricity to jump too. Right now as it stands, my diesel car costs 13.5p per mile (at £1.60 / litre) to run, home charging EV costs 17p per mile (day rate, unless you want to switch to a higher day rate to get night rates - note also 40%+ of the UK do not have off street parking), public charging costs 30p per mile - it makes driving an EV unaffordable for most (even if you ignore the inadequate range for many drivers).
Considering 60% of our grid power comes from fossil fuels and our power plants are only 35% efficient, an EV is actually much worse for the climate when you factor in the mining, manufacturing, charging and longevity. Your average EV lasts 8-12 years before a £6k battery repair or £12-15k battery replacement, so at this point it becomes scrap for many. Your average ICE lasts 17 years and this is predicted to increase to 20
You are also better off burning the fossil fuel directly, instead of at the power station. Your diesel is around 35% efficient, like your power station, but you don't have the additional 10% loss to convert from AC to DC to charge the battery and another 10% loss to convert back to AC for your electric motor, plus 1% daily discharge rates, etc.
You have to look at the full picture and the actual impact on the planet. Right now you're burning the same fossil fuel to power an EV, losing 65% of the power by the time it gets to your socket from the power station, then another 20% to charge/use, plus your daily 1% discharge. You've done nothing to reduce your emissions, but you've contributed to huge amounts of pain and suffering and earth destruction to create those batteries that have half the longevity of an ICE. So what have you solved?
In some mythical future world where we figured out how to solve the power storage problem at the grid, where we figured out how to make solar panels without quartz and other rare earth minerals, when wind turbines last more than 15-20 years and when this renewable dream is affordable (even at 40% renewable, here in the UK we pay 10x more per kWh vs countries that use nuclear say). Once we solved all this, 20-50 years from now, and we have 100% renewable energy, then an EV might make perfect sense, if we can solve the range and longevity problems.
I have to say, being an EV driver who drives mostly local and Scottish trips, this video has completely shocked me, we are so far away from having a sufficient charging network and its going to get worse. Thanks for highlighting.
Good light on EVs .Only good for Cities as I have always said to myself.The future bis control.Cant wait 😢
A great electric vehicle. Flew up hills with no problems and never needed charging. That was trolley buses in Bradford in the 1950's!
True, and great at pushing cars out of the way, too! 😊
I'm a 62 year old guy who's self employed and lucky enough to have always lived in the Lincolnshire countryside. I have worked in London , the last time about 12 years ago, It must have changed a massive amount in that time. I am sure I will not ever drive their again or through any of the major cities for that matter. Trying to avoid cameras must be an absolute nightmare and obviously dangerous in doing so.....Utter madness....Stuff the cities ( and EV's...) By the way, Love the channel Lee.
Wow! A “feature length” road trip with The MacMaster. Brilliant. Thanks for taking the pain so we can all see what we’ve got to look forward to! A Masterclass of editing - must have taken HOURS 👌🏼
I can't wait for the day that I'll be able to afford an electric car. Eating crispy cremes and drinking Costa coffee all day, hanging around parking lots and getting into random brawls with strangers over charge spots, what more can a man want.
Average EV charging time in the UK is 29 minutes, which after 3-4 hours of driving is acceptable. If you can charge from home, you just plug it in and let it charge overnight while you sleep, and the majority of your journeys will cost 2-3p per mile. The savings are worth a little wait on long journeys, I would say.
Cost of coffee and unhealthy snack food alone crazy 😂😂😂. Doing my bit with wood pellets (as I thought) just don't look closely at their production or sky rocketing costs.😭
Use Google you will find excellent quality Renault Zoe's for £4,990
On the same day that you started your journey, I worked for 6 hours in Swansea, then drove to Liverpool. The roads were busy, but no problems at all. I got back home before you got to Darlington. But my car runs on unleaded!😊
I saw on another channel towing with an EV and the range dropped by half ! As you so rightly say “ they are crap “ thanks for a very interesting Video. 🙏😍🙏
Range will drop by half no matter what fuel the vehicle uses. That is basic physics. I have seen a number of EV towing videos, and none were the least bit scientific and should be disregarded as evidence of anything other than how not to do a range test..
Lee,lee, Absolutely brilliant blog. Me and my other half watched it .....we really felt for you.
Your spot on ...Charge when you can and not when you have to .
My boss had a company EV. He lasted 2 months . He's watched your blogs and he totally agrees with you.
Not fit for purpose.....He did say.. " someone with a mental health issue ....this could tip them over the edge".
Loved the blog .
EV'S not the immediate future ... Stay safe . 👍
I quite regularly drive from western Europe,( where I live ) to England where my family live. My daughter and her family live in Devon, and my brothers and sisters families live in Yorkshire. I drive a diesel car and these journeys would be a real pain in the backside, and the wallet in an EV. I have no intention of owning an electric car, and already the EU has pushed back the date of allowed sales of ICE cars because it's been contested by manufacturers in a few countries. Electric cars are not the future. Love your blogs by the way, keep up the good work.
Hi Lee thank you so much for putting Zaine in the Vlog words can’t explain how chuffed he is he has watch it over and over and over again and told every single member of the family to subscribe. It was a pleasure to meet you your such a gentleman and keep up the great videos ❤
Was my pleasure. Great to meet you. Thanks for stopping to talk. 🕶️ Say hi to Zaine from me.
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Whats going to happen if we all go electric. The country will come to a stand still !!!
It’s insane, one thing l think that will happen in the future is the price of second hand petrol and diesel cars is the the price will go through the roof as the low income people simply can’t afford a new electric car, thoughts?
That's the plan.
@@glennlingard7851 the price of petrol and diesel’s are going up 10 to 15% a month. There are no cheapULEZ complaint vehicles going through the auctions. Whilst BEVs remain un sold presenting the same cars month after month. You only have to look at the number of pre registered un sold BEVs that are piling up at the main dealers
@@tobycolin6271 well said Toby!
@@glennlingard7851 in a recent weekend trip convertibles out numbered BEVs 18 to 1 this morning it was 5 to 1. On my drives the number of Porsche boxsters equals the number of BEVs scene. You never see BEVs on the road. There are more Audi Trs on the roads than BEVs but the sales figures say much different.
I’ve actually started using my ford transit diesel on longer journeys, the stress of planning charges has broken me!
Hi MacMaster. As a former Mansfield resident who lived near the Dog and Duck, I love watching your videos remembering the places I have been. In relation to your comment on caravan towing, check out Andrew Ditton, He provides an honest view of towing electric. I tow a caravan weighing in at nearly two tonne, and there is limited choice of electric car capable of pulling this weight, there are also reports of the extra weight burning out the regenerative breaking systems. I travelled from South Wales to Abbey Wood with our caravan , a total of 200 miles. I achieved this on half a tank of diesel (combined weight 4 tonne), with an electric vehicle I would have had to charge at least once and would possibly have not made the camp site before it closed. Electric cars are fine for short commutes and town driving but they need further development for heavy loads and long trips.
I just hope that people come to their senses and turn their backs on this ridiculous mode of transport.
Try it first don't let your prejudice blind you. When horses were the transport people said the same about the ice vehicles. When they tried them, they ate all the surplus horses! wasn't it the same when wide screen TV came along?
EV cars this week has been reported a third down in sales? People are waking up!
Everyone needs two cars now. One electric to do the shopping and
one petrol, or diesel car to go anywhere else
Best option for a electric local run around is a golf cart as you can get road legal ones. Plus with no extra items to power it will be great on battery life. In parts of America people do use golf carts for this exact reason.
@@bentullett6068 Or a Citroen Ami!
@Mike Hipperson that pretty much is a golf cart in all honesty. The Ami to me looks like someone took design inspiration from a portable toilet. At least a golf cart has truck type styling.
Lee in his electric car “backwards my friends” 😂
You have done people a great favour by highlighting " the future ". It will be a very long time indeed before I get an EV.
There is only one word to describe the operation of EV’s and that is RIDICULOUS!!! They can keep them as far as I’m concerned.
Massive slump in electric cars sales over the last 12 months according to sky news , nobody wants them . I think people were buying them because they were the new trendy thing to have . Looks like the novelty has worn off 😂
Resale is non existent too
It's mostly people leasing them through business as you can get approx 40% off in tax benefits. I had one but have since gone back to petrol. If the tax incentives are taken away, sales will definitely fall.
Bloody hope so.
There whole electric car plan is another Communist ploy.
Prices of used EVs have come down, which should be celebrated as they are now available to a wider audience. However, the reason for this has nothing to do with no one wanting them as demand is still high. The price drop is basically because more used EVs have come to market for a number of different reasons.
Previously, there had been long waiting times for new EVs, but that has now passed, so the premium EVs had enjoyed has come to an end. Earlier this year, Tesla slashed prices on its Model Y and 3 to put greater pressure on European manufacturers.
This was despite the Tesla Model Y being the best-selling EV in Europe and the UK. In fact, it was the 3rd fastest selling car of all types in the UK last year, with only the Nissan Qasqai and the Vauxhall Corsa outselling it.
In addition, many leases came to an end, and those EVs have come to market. I read that the availability of used EVs had increased by 264%, whilst demand was 48% in the first 3 months of this year. There is a lot of misinformation circulating, especially on social media, which could deter some people from buying an EV, but for anyone who has done their research properly, there is no reason not to buy a used EV.
"Stop at the adult store and find something else that contains batteries" 😂😂😂😂 I'll also stick to my dirty diesel. Great video Lee x
Having used a work Supplied EV, this is normal nice to see someone who is honest about EV ownership, and cost
OMG, the only thing that I guess you can be grateful for is- NOT getting electrocuted in the downpour😮 You’ve sold me on not wanting an ev, ever-too stressful 😱
All diesal and petrol drivers are laughing their heads off when they pul into a service station and see all those righteous people queuing up for two hours just to get home 😂😂😂 but they will still tell you that it's the best thing they have ever done 😂😂😂
Yeah but just think of all the miles those righteous people can drive for 2p per mile. Even Lee in his Taycan could drive 275 miles for around £6.60. 😊
@@FullFact548Get real!
Well done Lee for not having a nervous breakdown! I think the money you spent charging plus the food and drink could have paid for a first class seat on the train without the range anxiety! What's it like being a masochist?
You deserve a medal
I felt all your stress
It would finish me off looking for charging points
Not in a month of Sundays would I get one
I did that same journey last week on the same day as you, although I came up the M6. I'd filled up with diesel a few days earlier at Costco and got all the way home to just outside Edinburgh with about 150 miles of range to spare. I was stuck in traffic on the M6 though, but at least I didnt have to worry about fuel.
brilliant vlog there isn't no future in electric vehicles and at least your honest not many people like to hear the truth nowadays
I like the idea of either a petrol plugin-in hybrid or hydrogen plugin h/b, the idea of plugging in for shorter journeys to the shop and back, but then the backup of quick fill and go fuel … best of both really! Nice video Lee 👍🏻👍🏻
I like the idea of a hybrid with a moderate-sized battery and a small engine used only to run a generator: no transmission. Ideally there would be a small electric motor on each wheel but probably that would be too expensive, despite its extreme simplicity and the potential for superb handling and performance.
@@markiangooley Its all about best of both! I think its a great idea. With the new E-Fuel announcements from Porsche I could see your idea becoming a reality.
There's no canopies over the charging points because there not going to be permanent. It's just for the token infrastructure for now. Controversial 😊
If I wanted to travel between London and Edinburgh using electricity I'd go to Kings Cross and get the train.
Great video ! I'm so, so tempted to get a EV for my wife, just for the entertainment, fit a hidden camera ! Why do people buy these monstrosities, life is far too short ?
Lee, thoughs in power and authority, whom they may be, should be sent this vlog and get a real taste of what actually happens when you operate an electric video and it was exactly the right time to do this vlog, just when school holidays happen and everyone is out and scout travelling. This vlog is epic and important.
Picking up my brand new Peugeot 5008 DIESEL. 😂. On Thursday.. That's the way to go.. 👍 🙈
I'm with you Lee.. Will never get a EV
Shame you can't. Change it at a reasonable price 🤔
We did chuckle at.. (Something else with Batterys) 😂😂😂
We will be using petrol and diesel vehicles for at least another 100 years you are right it’s is stressful using an electric car
blimey how chaotic that was ! it would give me a nervous breakdown and panic attacks trying to find a free charging point , then having to wait a hour or so to fill it , couldn't cope with that , so much easier to go to a petrol station , xx
Friday was probably the worse time to do it, should of done it on a better day of week
@@traceyabbott6184 maybe should avoid rush hours, Fridays, holidays and eventually any driving at all
@@traceyabbott6184 what a great idea! Unless of course you’re actually travelling in a Friday.
Not the best time to travel no matter what you drive. I checked the journey time, leaving at 7.30pm from London in an identical car, and you only need to stop twice to get to Edinburgh if leaving London with 90% charge and total charging time of 37 minutes for the 2 stops.
Lee yes. Towing a caravan will reduce your range by around 50%. The other problem is that people are having to unhitch the caravan before recharging because they stick out so far from the charging point.. It just doesn't work..
Yep, charging in the UK is not setup for towing yet. Your petrol or diesel car will also experience a loss in MPG/Range when towing - it's simple physics.
So last charge was 39 🇺🇸$ but the previous charge at the McDonald's was 58 🇺🇸$
And that was not a full charge either time. So lesson learned that ICE Cars are actually cheaper on a road trip than an EV.
How ironic is that. Great video again Mac!!
Now if only Porsche would own up to paying you what you're rightfully owed from them.
How much would the gas cost if he made the 405-mile trip in a Porsche Panamera, though?
@@FullFact548
Why would anyone drive a Panamera!? 🤮
Personally I don't like 4 Door Porsche because they are trying to be something they are not. But otherwise Porsche cool. However I'm a Mercedes owner so can't say too much about Porsche.
Nice one mate, as usual showing everyone how mad it is to pretend that living with an EV is in any way practical...
But we have to make allowances that some EVangelists who bought EVs now feel stupid but don't want to admit it. Remember Mark Twain's line: 'It's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled.'
Clearly you have never even tried an EV. That's ok the roads will be a lot quieter when all the EV haters are using electric bikes!
EV Man is on the payroll of WEF
@@gregevigan gregevigan aka EV Man
Lee, this video should be compulsary viewing for the Gov and on TV
I live in South Yorkshire, I just took my granddaughter's belongings to Gateshead Northumbria University my Peugeot 3008 1.6 diesel was packed to the roof. Did the whole journey with the aircon on, used a quarter of a tank. Never going electric. Thanks for the video, very open and informative, I've stopped looking at electric vehicles, I also like computers and technology. My diesel 3008 is also an ulez free of charge.
Hey Lee, another informative contribution my friend, these electric cars are a total waste of space. I'll stick to m 407 SW GT. That trip would have cost 44 pounds 👍😬
Acording to Scotty Kilner, the EU have already delayed the 2030 ICE deadline saying the infrastructure is simply not ready and the world economy is not allowing an increase in instalations, I wonder if the UK will follow suit.
It was on the News , but it was buried at the back...can't have any negative news about the EU right ?...Germany blocked , and said they should be exempt from it while the rest of the EU had to comply...yeah that's going to happen .
The EU has buckled under pressure from Germany on the proviso they run on e-fuels.
Thank you for showing how bad the infrastructure for ev is. Not a hope in hell we will ever have one, husband would have a heart attack with stress. Joanne and Dean from Yorkshire.
I did London to Edinburgh in a 1 litre BMC Mini in about 8 hours keeping to 60-65 all the way. Only one stop on the way to top up with 2 cans of petrol that I carried with me.
Edit: You were talking about tractors but what about other machinery? I saw a video about a year ago where to do the 'right thing' the contractors on a building site hired an electric mini-digger. It was ok for the first 3 hours and got steadily slower over the next hour so they put it on charge. The charge to full took 8 effin hours and as there was no mains electricity on site, they had to use a diesel generator!
Many countries are now using electric mining and quarrying trucks and in Australia Caterpillar have built an electric quarrying truck that carries 265 tons of rock. Electric mini diggers are ideal for working in enclosed places where ventilation is limited.
Absolutely LOVE your channel. Petrol all the way for me. Keep up the great work. KevP from Long Eaton
Imagine all 33,000,000+ cars / vehicles currently on U.K. roads, going electric. Where would the infrastructure come from? The whole load of nonsense is designed to fail.
Don't worry we'll be alright, the sun and wind will supply us with all the power we need!!😂😂🐄💨🐄💨
@@daveevans2696 - oh yes! I forgot about that 😂😂😂😂
@@daveevans2696 Not just the sun and wind but energy from renewable sources provided 53% of the UK's electricity last year.
The same question was asked in the 1920's when petrol cars started becoming popular. Electricity is everywhere in this country, and the infrastructure will follow as EV adoption increases, although some beefing up will be required. But, the technology exists and is getting smarter all the time, and considering the average annual mileage driven in the UK, charging those 33 million cars shouldn't be an issue. Around 65% of homes in the UK have the potential to install a home charger according to the RAC Foundation, and with the range modern EVs have, most would only need to charge once a week at most. The average journey is 8.4 miles.
@@FullFact548 it would be interesting to know how much extra electric we will need instead of petrol and diesel
What an absolute trek of a journey. Can't get over the cost of £5.99 for a pasty ! Loved the border crossing ! Could you try to get someone who supports EVs to do a long journey with you and their comments ?
Your journeys remind me of when we had the fuel delivery drivers strike a few years ago. The only difference being that the queues were for petrol and diesel and fuel stations were rationing or had run out of fuel. A hybrid - possibly, full EV, no chance!
Yes, petrol stations do run out of fuel from time to time, and, on average, 70k people run out of petrol or diesel each month in the UK, leaving them stranded sometimes in the outside lane of a motorway.
According to the AA, only 2% of call outs to EV drivers are because of running out of charge. EVs can and do long journeys, and the average annual mileage for EVs is actually higher than the national average for petrol cars.
It is undeniable that much needs to be done to improve the charging infrastructure, but that will happen over time. The fact is EV adoption in the UK is happening quicker than the industry expected or planned for.
You do meet more people when travelling in an EV. On one recent journey, I met three new people on separate charging stops and they were all novice EV drivers needing help with the relative complexity of public charging. I obliged of course, because I have learned a lot over the last 9 years, having made most of the many mistakes that it is possible to make with the plethora of public charger types.
Early adopters are like that.
@@FullFact548 It is so easy at a petrol or diesel pump. Furthermore prices must be shewn BY LAW where they can be clearly seen from the road by potential users. None of that Osprey nonsense. It was 79.2 pence per kilowatt hour by the way ..... CRIMINAL !!! I wouldn't go into a supermarket where prices weren't shewn, select a number of unpriced items, hand over my credit card, not get a bill and then have to get back to the car before hunting through a load of apps to find out how much I had been charged. Trading Standards should be onto that Osprey mob tout de suite.
Hi - I watched your video of London to Edinburgh in your “Milk Float” I have a couple of comments. I think that you are so brave standing in a puddle of water holding the electrical charge cable for your car which is as thick as your wrist. You know what they say “Electricity and water make a fatal combination”
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I live in Wolverhampton and when my daughter was at Aberdeen University I used to drive in my petrol Mondeo the 430 miles to see her. The journey took 6 and a half hours (Breakfast in Wolverhampton and a late lunch in Aberdeen) and took one tank of fuel except for the last 10 miles. We have come such a long way as your video showed as it would now be a 2 day journey. Keep the videos coming?
Great video Lee...I wouldn't want one as a gift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best EV vlog to date. Great road trip, Loved it. Keep em up. Maybe south of France next time👍
Sarcastic comment:-
Once petrol and diesel cars have been banned we can have kerosene cars because jet fuel is absolutely fine for the planet.
My friend's Dad was a private pilot back in the 90s. He used to run his car on AvGas, then swapped it back to petrol (and a slight retune) for MOT time. Saved him a fortune 😃
It’s not just the cost of charging, you had to pay for the overnight stay!!
Well done. Glad you chose a holiday time to show how a journey would be for most of us when time is precious. I admire your patience. Cheers
To be honest, a hybrid makes more sense than full electric, no range anxiety for a long journey, when you get to a town or city, drive in electric, then on the motorway it's back to combustion engine
Agreed the only way at the current state of technology.
You have discovered just what my daughter with a company Mercedes EQC SUV who needs to visit clients face to face rather than just video calls has experienced overthe past two years.
The Mercedes goes back soon and she will be glad to see the back of it. A Volvo XC 60 hybrid is replacing the Mercedes.
If you are a business user who needs to cover more than 300 miles in a day buy a hybrid.
They are not putting in a cycle lane, they are making a lane for parking EV cars that have run out of charge. Then they will probably introduce a parking fee!
I am disabled and drive an automatic diesel Peugeot Partner wheelchair access vehicle with hand controls, to start with wheelchair access vehicles have a specially lowered floor at the rear and a ramp fitted in the WAV conversion, and it is not even possible to make an electric WAV because there is nowhere to put the huge battery pack that normally occupies pretty much the whole floor area, even the diesel WAV's have to have a smaller modified diesel tank because of the floor, but if you reduce the size of the battery pack and manage to squeeze it in somewhere, the range will be non existent. Also the range anxiety and charge times involved would make the whole experience far too stressful, it is bad enough when you are able bodied, just imagine how a disabled person would cope with all this, it would mean that a lot of disabled people would have to give up driving all together and do nothing or rely completely on other people, how is this the future.
I empathise with your concern, but don't agree that the potential problems are insurmountable. Also, some of the charging companies are providing charge bays for disabled drivers.
OK so the thing is that if a wheelchair user pulls up to a petrol forecourt they can request assistance to fill up. My experience is that even if you had a disability accessible spaces no one would be available to plug the vehicle in. So yeah, they're not disability friendly, and they may not be able to plan their journey as easily
@@MatthewClayton-p1n Do you have off-street parking where you live with wheelchair access to your home?
in fact, it took you about as long as the journey from london to edinburgh in a horse-drawn carriage, before the industrial revolution…
A very good video showing how stressful a long journey could be - also as a wheelchair user I could never manage them charging points
Wow,my eyes lit up when I saw it was 1 and half hours of the macmaster 😊 loved it
:0) Thank You.
This is the best way of demonstrating the failure of the so-called Electric Generation. You have just proved that this does not work. The infrastructure for this will never be installed in time for 2030. This is a joke. Great Video. Keep them coming.
George Orwell was so prescient in his classic book 1984. Big Brother is watching you!!!
Charging your electric car up in a pool of water, what could possibly go wrong 😂.....great video Lee.
1:06:10 *Nothing on this Earth can beat the Howling Scream of a Pepsi 500 RG500 at 7000 RPM when the real power kicks in [Road Legal] Race Replica AKA Barry Sheene / Kevin Schwantz - RG500 1989 C Series Pepsi Replica - awesome and somewhat sad that future generation will not be able to experience that - 0 to 60 MPH Don't ask - 30 to 125 unbelievable - took mine to Interlaken and back but sadly only managed less than 30 MPG !*
Nailed that, fela!
Actually towing a Caravan behind an EV is Easy. You do have to install a diesel generator in the caravan, but, that way you get the range, nowhere to sleep though, because the Generator uses the whole caravan.
Genius solution. You ought to patent it. I'm going to invent a trailer, that will be connected to EVs, with a generator in it.
nah i'll stick to my two 20+ year old indirect injection diesel cars that go on for around half a million miles! Great video btw. I'm surprised you slated them but actually bought one
Don't plan on entering any ULEZ anytime soon, then 😅
LOL!!!! Those ULEZ will become a Road charge for EV drivers soon enough! Watch this space.
@@FullFact548 i try to keep out of London and Oxford city. 15 min cities are coming and the rules will apply to all cars. My thoughts are by then i'll be living in Russia where there is much more freedom!
@The MacMaster That’s a contradiction in terms if I ever heard one, Lee, considering EVs have no tail pipe emissions..
Goodness me what a palarva just to fuel your vehicle. I seriously couldn't be bothered with all that faff & stress. People forget also about other things which add to it such as waiting times in car parks before you have to pay etc.
Naughty boy, how dare you use your EV on a bank holiday 😂 and sorry mate that footage in the pouring rain, with the charger saying "the computer says no" & you dripping soaking wet just had me laughing my butt off. 😂😂
WHY would anyone put themselves through this ?? And worse yet pay a fortune for one of these vehicles? The infrastructure is absolutely rubbish here which to be fair adds to the frustration.
Anyway, amusing vid mate, keep em coming 👍
There's a guy on YT who drove a Taycan 4s from the New Forest up to the Scottish Highlands, a 1,500 mile trip a week before Christmas. The only charging problems he had were in Scotland when he didn't have the appropriate rfid tag, and it wouldn't connect from the app. In the end, he went to a local Tesla site and used their chargers
Yes, EVs turn every longer journey into an extreme sport, you get these weird comments of when people managed to do thousands of miles in an EV as some kind of impressive feat. I guess for the stress, effort and hassle, it is a bit extreme in an EV. By comparison 1,500 mile trip in a diesel is just a 5 minute break to refuel and a stay at a much nicer and cheaper hotel somewhere without an EV charger :)
But I suppose it is entertaining, it's like watching someone do 1,000 miles on a pogo stick - of course it's possible, but not very convenient or practical :)
Couldn't agree more! I was talking to a guy and I said to him I'm going for a petrol hybrid next - I am fed up with lack of infrastructure. He said, "Me too - there's going to be quite a few Evs for sale in the next few years
You have the patience of a bloody saint! 😇.
I’m stressed watching.. imagine of you were a mom with little kids in the car?
AND- the cost isn’t that low - especially if you add ‘the cost per wasted hour, the money you spend on coffee and food while waiting around, or hotels you’re forced to used because you’re stranded.’
My Audi s4 Diesel 3 Litre would do that trip on one tank in half the time...
Keep ya EV'S 😉
The greed of dealerships is beyond words, can't believe they took the comfort access off you! Great customer service
When I fill up my diesel, hand over £60 & know I have 300miles range, knowing range wont be reduced, if you have the heater, air conditioner, blowers, lights, wipers, or wheels slipping on Ice/snow, i am relatively happy. My time, my life, is worth more than wasting hours every a week trying to charge my hair dryer and having range stress every time I am to fo a 4 hour drive.
EVs are a crock of shit!
First of all, all the things you mentioned that draw an electrical current do affect your fuel economy. The only difference is the amount of waste heat available to warm the cabin. A diesel wastes as much as 65% of its fuel in the heat generated from friction and combustion.
Second, Lee's Taycan has a real-world range of 295 miles on a full charge from its 83.7 kWh battery, but let's 265 miles as you never want to fully deplete the battery.
Third, Lee has a home charger and can plug in 30 seconds and allow the car to charge overnight while he sleeps. An EV specific tariff will provide the first 44.4 kWh at 7.5p per kWh costing £3.33 and the remainder (if needed) at 40p a kWh costing another £12.37. Total cost £15.70 or 6p per mile for 265 miles.
Fourth, your diesel isn't a 402hp luxury sports saloon capable of 0-62 mph in 5.4 seconds and 154 mph flat out.
I hope you don't count that information as EVangelist bullying.. 😊
Logic what a great idea
Also EV range in cold weather rapidly diminished!
@lucky sembry That depends on the EV as some are fitted with heat pumps, which reduce battery drain for heating the cabin and battery. Some EVs range may drop as much as 30% in winter, but cars with heat pumps under 20% is achievable.
All cars use more fuel in freezing conditions as cold air is denser, creating more wind resistance. Also, an engine needs to be at running temperature to be its most efficient.
Never owned an EV but love watching these. Thanks for the honest videos, they're great👍
If anyone I know is considering an EV, I’ll just point them to your videos, Lee.
You should invite one of the evangelist to plan your next journey. Travel together and let’s see how it works out. It’ll make a great video. Do you think any of them would be up for the challenge?
Ah man, Macmaster passing Newcastle, should have called in for a brew... a Yorkshire Tea! So two EV charges cost you over £90 (so far in the vid). You could have driven London to Edinburgh AND Back to London for that cost of diesel!!
Also, the Angel of the North (not the blonde angel) is totally free to visit. Its basically a huge statue.
EDIT: You asked those two ladies (at the border) what was the food of Durham. If you do a video in Newcastle, you need to try a Ham and Pease Pudding Stottie - a distinctly North Eastern sandwich.
Cheers Lee--enjoyed that.Being a logical soul with a modicom of common sense i will never,never have a electric vehicle.I cannot understand how anyone falls for all the hype and purchases one in the first place.
Simple reason. They are far superior to ICE cars 😊
I think new car sales in 2030 will take a big slump & demand for fossil fueled cars will create a price increase in the second hand market.
I just got back from an 805 mile trip in my dads truck with a 36 gallon fuel tank we stopped once for gas, for lunch and a couple rest stops lol couldn't imagine doing that in an EV!
The Tesla Semi has a 500-mile range and can charge at up to 1mW, so it will be doable
@@FullFact548 SO ! You've got one of those have you ? at what cost ? His Dad's 10 year old truck will go on for years and years with very little depreciation. I would love to see the bill from even HALF a charge at one of those Osprey thingies at 79.2 pence per Kilowatt hour. How many 1 megawatt hour chargers are there in this country ? .... or in America ? How long would it take to charge at one of those Osprey thingies. Perhaps, you may consider starting a crowd funding to buy a Tesla thingy for his Dad .... AND to install reliable 1 megawatt hour chargers for his Dad and him to use on their 805 mile jaunts. You are in a dream world. BE SENSIBLE !
Also, I think you misunderstand the meaning of "truck" in Americanese. It is not the same as in English. Because of EU regulations, lorry/waggon fuel tanks are limited to a little under 330 imperial gallons (1,500 litres) in the EU, and by default, in neighbouring countries, NOT 30 imperial gallons as on his Dad's "truck". He didn't say that the fuel tank was full at the beginning of the journey .... with fuel readily available all over the place, why would he bother ? Neither did he say the tank was empty at the end. He just said that he made one stop for "gas" (that is "petrol" in English). He didn't say that he filled the tank to full at the stop or how much was still in the tank when he pulled into the convenient filling station. With a imperial gallon (different to US) costing about £3.60 in America, at 18 miles per imperial gallon, he would have used a little under 45 imperial gallons (20 pence per mile .... a great deal less than that 79.2 pence per kilowatt hour would have cost him at that Osprey thingy ..... for the equivalent of his Dad's "truck", that is, NOT a tiny Nissan Leaf or a Nissan Joke.
Your the best Mate! Cheers to you and the Uk 🇬🇧 ❤
We run a motor van. Have done for the past 35 yrs. OK its diesel but tests have started on electric versions. Now check out the bonuses. When you need to stop for a charge and you also want a wee and perhaps a coffee/food. It's all there. In your very own electric motor home. And. When it gets late in the day and you finally find one jump into your bed. Just imagine the money you will save on all those coffees, eats and hotel beds. It's the way forward Lee. Happy motoring.
I assume we are looking at the end of, or at least a big downturn in, the touring caravan, campervan and motorhome market? And dont even think about what it will mean to the Cornish and Scottish tourist trade.🤔
The problem in my eyes is not just the availability of chargers but also the time it takes to recharge. If an EV takes longer to charge than it takes to put petrol in a normal car then it's pointless.
Charging at home while you sleep? Stopping every 150-200 miles for a 30-minute charge and a refreshment break? No smelly fumes coming out of an exhaust pipe? I think the issue is more positive than you believe
@@FullFact548 Charging at home... 🤣... Stopping every 150-200 miles for a 30-minute charge ..... more like 3 hour break, IF you can get on a charger..... smelly fumes..... sorry, don't put my mouth round pipes! 😂 ..... you guys are 🐑
Exactly right, Stephen. The true believers keep yapping that any day now there will be more chargers (largely subsidized by taxpayers, of course). But if they could wave a magic wand and transform every gas pump into a charging point, it still would be a nightmare when nearly every car on the road is plug-in electric. Because everybody would have to sit there for an eternity waiting for a charge, compared to a few minutes to fill a gas or diesel tank. Rapid charging at home isn't possible because most homes, at least here in the US, have only 120V and 240V circuits. The Ford F-150 Lightning pickup truck takes 10-15 hours to charge at 240 volts, and 4-6 days at 120 volts.
If these EV contraptions are so great, why can't they stand on their own in the marketplace?
@@rwalkenhorst Absolutely right. You forgot that it is the taxes of WORKING people that pay for the subsidies so that the rich and well off can buy and run their playthings.
Whilst you’re out in the Milk Float, can I have 3 pints of semi-skimmed and a pot of double cream, please?
Usually only watch the food videos, clicked on this , realised it was about cars ,skipped through it , heard the words “let’s turn the milk float off” and spat out my tea 😂😂😂
As a biker, I would hate an electric bike. Not only the malarkey of finding chargers, but having to carry charging leads, too. Plus, the silence of the motor, will probably cause quite a lot of accidents...loud pipes save lives!
Maybe you and the EV man should do a Vlog together? That would be interesting 😂
Absolutely awful! How is this the future. Not a chance. Lovely car but not practical at all. Great video 👍🏼😎
EVs? They’ll never catch on. Loving my GLC. diesel.
7.2 million EVs sold last around the world, which was a 16% market share of all new cars sold. Sales in the UK this year already after increasing by 40% last year.
Plug-in electric car registrations in the UK - February 2023
BEVs: 12,310 (up 18% year-over-year) at a market share of 16.5%
PHEVs: 4,723 (up 1% year-over-year) at a market share of 6.3%
Total: 17,033 (up 13% year-over-year) at a market share of 22.9%
Looks like they are more than catching on.
In Los Angeles they are everywhere you look. Catching on just fine over here. Norway has us all beat at 70% adoption of EVs.
To put your travel cost into some sort of perspective,we fill up our Kia Sportage at Tesco in Toton,Notts,drive to the speed limits fully loaded for a week in Northwest Scotland.
Route is A52,A50,M6,M74,M8,A82 and we don't need to fill up again till we get to Morrisons at Ft William,thats 2people,all luggage for the week for about £65 in diesel,cheaper than driving electric and without the stress.
Keep up the good work lad. As things get worse & worse on the EV front, you should hit a million subscribers within the next couple of years or so. And, when the EV brown stuff hits the fan, you will be on record with your entirely correct 'I told you so'.
Remember nearly 20 years ago Jeremy Clarkson did this journey there and back on one tank of fuel in a Audi A8 diesel. Progress seems to be not progressing well.
By the way had a advert for a Renault EV van saying Renault EV vans keeping your business moving. Great joke Renault 😂.
I've been driving ICE vehicles for 67 years and expect my diesel SUV to out live me so an EV choice is not going to happen but I hear what you say and sympathise.
All of the many cars I've owned have been fit for purpose. They went when I wanted them to and as far as I wanted them to.
Lastly I've never had a McDonald's of any kind.
Enjoyed the vlog.
DON'T EVEN DREAM OF BEING TEMPTED ! The McDonald's, that is. I have only had one experience when dragged to one by companions .... never again ...... over-priced plastic .... packaging AND what passes as nourishment.
The MacMaster keeps saying EVs aren't fit for purpose, but it's the charging network that is the current problem, not the cars themselves. His car may not be suitable for his needs but is the penalty of buying a high-performance luxury sports car
Hi Lee, we have a 130,000 diesel Citroën van.. just call in to local filling station and away in minutes😂
I'll stick with my lovely stress free BMW 330d touring all the car you need thank you very much 😊
Very entertaining! I've come over from Geoff Buys Cars, he said we'd enjoy your vids and he isnt wrong. I dont have an EV just a lovely old diesel A3 Quattro, im waiting till they get the battery right, Samsung got there in the end, i have faith. Great watching your journey 😉