I almost always play adc though ill go anywhere except jungle, that is a thankless role. Anyway the last ranked game i played my support was a zyra and im playing MF, so do we poke the enemy twitch & yuumi no that would be too smart the zyra constanly face checked the bush with a rat in it and then flamed me for not having faster reactions when the rat melted her and got away with 100 hp dispite me being there and trying to play around her lack of just using a ward to check the bush. Like its my fault i didnt want to face check a invis twitch.
I think I know one between the worst types: the one who's playstyle is completely contrary to the champ they play, but decide to play the champ right at the exact wrong time...
As an enchanter player myself, I noticed that that's how you know when they're not really good at the champion. Enchanter players usually play like this because they want to play as a shield/heal focused character in the game, but they don't know thay enchanters have an insane pressure early, especially champions like Soraka. Almost every enchanter is a lane bully if you play it properly, but in their mind that's not what they want to do, otherwise they'd be playing mages. The enchanter champions feels too squishy and weak so they don't realize that landing their skills early in lane can be devastating for the enemy. It's a role that needs to play very different in different moments of the game.
oh buddy. i'm a fucking MEANCE pre level 3 on soraka XD. all i do is q spam on cooldown and hurl bananas. after that you gotta let off the gas real hard unfortunetly
I guess the same rule applies to all roles. From a jungle perspective, identifying your ADC as a spammer or cautious farmer can give you information to play around with. For hard shovers/vulnerable laners, you can expect to have to countergank. For a Safe wave controller, you can take your time and engage around enemy cooldowns.
it took me 10 years of playing to realize and acknowledge this as a concept. barely anyone talks about this and yet reading players is probably the most important skill you need in order to climb
Yeah, just imagine climbing ranked from perspective of being a babysitter without actually getting paid for your time invested. Kind of like being a parent. A great concept to embrace and master, definitely pays off in middle stage of human life.
As a (bad) support player, this is definitly what i find the most interesting in playing supp : what kind of adc are you playing with ? It changes almost everygame, even if sometimes, we just can't match.
When playing support you dictate the laning phase with your superior utilities. Hence why Skill Capped is recommending ADC to play around the (can be bad) supports. In my experience coaching most low ELO ADCs will follow an engage even if it’s bad. They would only stop following engages if you constantly mess up. As enchanter it’s more complicated but you’re still the key player.
ngl if u want to play an adc that doesnt need sp, play Kaisa. Once u get statik they cant push or gank you that ez ( 1 atk when you first see the wave, then run around do another atk then the wave is already clear), your ult will be your biggest countergank card to them. Then farm and scale late i guess. I have won 10 games in a row with kaisa adc.
@@noname3609Bruh you can get the same results as Sivir level 5. Just q and w the wave and its cleared if its not a cannon wave. Legit no skill, free scale strat
@@noname3609you can go for a kiting jhin build. Statik>gale>Rapid fire(unless you need Doms 3rd) finish with collector into BT or GA if they have a ton of dive and you have bad peel.
@@noname3609some tips: 1 Once you pressed Q the target is locked they will hit no matter what: Auto + q and run away is your trade 2 don't use W untill thr enemy is 4 stakes, the w will make the mark explode. Plus the W cancels an auto, so aa w aa. 3 Use R.for repositioning and not for the shield. Repositioning is the best way to use R the shield part is a given
I've had this moment of clarity in games before... I play support and push up, trade and watch my ADC chill... that is the moment I'm like... "OH" you like that huh, aight, ima chill back and let you play your way and I'll adjust to you... The moment they lose their fucking minds, I'm out of lane lol
See this as Supp with ADC's to, ADC won't follow up and just farm, won't rotate to OBJ, etc. or worst, they flame for non-meta supps or require you to play their way or else. (Supper common with Trist/Sam players as they want to all in always, and hate non-engage supps).
Thats the most helpful video for me yet. All those perfect Grandmaster-Tactics like contesting wave for first level2 all-in do not matter if you have an AFK supp/adc for example. Just do the worse play to keep synergy, etc. Those were perfect examples as well. Thanks
This is so true. I’ve met 2 Soraka main with a million mastery and lv.7 The first Soraka is trying to use every single spell to help me and the second one is not only do nothing, but she’s refuse to help the other when they in danger and when we win the big team fight. She said that we alive because of her. I’m just wtf are you typing. 😂 Maybe it’s about her mindset of each game? Sometimes I wonder why these 2 different Soraka can get the same lv.7 and a million mastery.
As a new adc player, ive learned the supps in my elo r either super aggressive to the point where they just go in and im not ready and die or play back by tower making it to where i cant push up and farm without being solo killed
I had a sion top yesterday who didnt push or even help teamfights. Trust me there are plenty of players with 0 skill and still hangin out in the same elo just by spending lots lf time in league
Learn to play weakside, a roaming support can put your top, mid, and jg so far ahead and get map vision while you get increased exp from solo laning if the enemy support doesn't match your support's map pressure. Think about it, is your support really making the wrong call? You're behind from the invade, so it's likely the enemy bot and jungle will snowball bot lane. The way to equalize is this either 1) pray your team helps you (lol) 2) help your team get a lead somewhere else and use that pressure to win.
@@Evilbob1555I was literally thinking the same thing. I honestly love it when my support leaves me because I’ll just play safe and get fed off of all the CS and solo XP 🤤
As a very aggressive tank player in most games, I'm extremely frustrated in Mobas when I engage and people don't follow ahah, I have a feeling it's gonna be the same in League when i get better and start playing tank aswell more and more
Understandable. But as the same as my support giving 200 point in trading and nothing in macro or vision. I too have a given point and adapting to my weak point dosent help. Hector has a 1000 in each part and can look good in kind of style. What should i do then? Getting flame because i play a style im not good at or getting flame because i dont follow bad call? Life as an adc. Part 2334
you probably arent properly positioning to zone off the enemy or assert lane control so your adc overcompensates and tries to not give over total control then gets punished by the superior support that is supporting their adc.
My problem in lower Elo is I think I’ve maybe played with a support champion 2 times. They’re usually playing some midlane mage or something weird like nasus. So I’ve just switched to playing Sivir and I wave clear for days. Problem is in team fights I have absolutely no help. Cause no support. But I’ve been slowly climbing this way regardless.
This is the longest winded explanation I have ever seen for telling ADCs "play around your support they set the tone of the lane." There is nothing worse as a support than when you know you have the advantage or even traded to get it, and your ADC doesn't follow up and throws it away. The whole reason I learned to roam was because I kept getting passive ADCs who simply refused to take the easy setups.
Although there is so much truth to this, there lacks an understanding or care to utilize match up strengths in CHAMP SELECT. One main reason cait & lux are a strong duo is their pushing power. The ability to shove lane and keep the enemy poked, even under tower. But then there are those Lux players who Q into your minion wave and only E after hitting a snare. Telling an AD to play further up or around the supp when they don't understand the potential of own champ? Let alone combination? That leads to poor outcomes altogether.
Separately just wanted to note how many laners aren't paying attention to level 2 timing and how to take advantage or even give up space accordingly. If playing tristana, I'm leveling W 2nd ready to go in. If my nautilus isn't walking up hitting minion or prepping a hook angle, how can I play around that better? It takes BOTH players to have some knowledge, then to use it. Lol 👌🏿
So the video basically says "pll in low elo have different strenghts, so you have to be strong at everything to be able to play with everyone" So you need to be a really good played with masters or above skills to climb from low elo
What I get is a Morgana perma W'ing the wave vs Leona/Draven, miss timing her E, dying 24/7 and blaming me for it. Well, at least I could see some things I can apply to my games, thank you.
At this point in league my issue is even if my lane is positive bot theres always a jumgler or top lane feeding someone who shouldnt be fed and the whole game goes down even if theyre shut down 😂 but great tips for the lane appreciate it 🎉
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY PLAYING ADC IS A MIND NUMBING EXPERIENCE... Out 5 games, you would only get 1 decent support. You're seriously better off just playing 1v2 and permanently just freezing the wave for a gank (which is exactly what happened in the amumu kaisa game) Support is the only role in the game that doesn't correlate to rank (until diamond and above anyways). The only thing consistent about support roles from iron until low diamond is that they would either play like silver in one game or like a diamond player (in a gold rank lobby).
0:24 "typical Tuesday night". Not quite, you left out the part where both support and jungle spam pings you MIA for the next 30 seconds then flat out afk's.
I had a support feed 5 kills before the 5 min mark. Next game, passive Support so I let the enemy slow push a couple waves under tower because I could not contest alone and my support decided to raom in that instant leaving me to try to farm 2 waves under tower while a Jhin, Blitz is blasting me under the tower. This was a Plat support... I think Support is one of the most misunderstood roles. It wouldnt be as bad if it wasn't every game that my support is trash and the enemy support is not.
1:45 is a lie. Riot August confirmed that diamond midlaner may not be equal in terms of skill when compared to diamond support, it's more like system tries to balance supports in both teams lol. Sadly we don't have different ranks for different roles in game. Again, diamond support != diamond midlaner.
how to deal with a supp who keeps hitting the cs, constantly pushing the wave, and then dying around the enemy tower by being exposed to ganks? the last game i played kaisa i had a galio against range and when i got my first skill, i managed to get 1 of a 3 players dive under my tower even without my supp, and he was 060 atm 😢
Yeah I was also instantly wishing this video was from the other perspective. As a support player, I have these exact same issues and feelings about this topic. I found this pretty insightful.. Being on the same page is kind of the most important element… Making the right play, alone, becomes the wrong play… And that’s hard to manage sometimes… Like… I see an opportunity to shove and crash a wave and reset, and my adc is mad that I pushed the wave… Or I see an opportunity and I help set up a freeze, and I tank some minions to pull the wave, and home boy just blasts the minions I was holding… We have a “push” ping, I want a “freeze” ping 😂
@@MiloThatch420 i think press Ctrl and left click is good enough ( the yellow Stop sign) just spam it when u see your sp hitting the wave :))) or just ask them :)
What if this happens in higher elo where your enemy lane is actually competent and adjusting to your support's "playstyle" leads to losing the lane (either forcing lost fights or playing passively and not being able to farm / getting poked too much)
I had a friend, an adc, and I was supp and we played quite a lot together. I played aggressive supps and my friend played their adcs aggressive, so that was not a problem, however, once we switched roles, I was the most safe playing farmbot ever while my friend still was aggressive as supp, which ended up in us losing every lane. We quickly switched back after this incident. That said, whenever I play adc, I just hope everytime that my supp just does... absolutely nothing, because I know I can play safe and manage the wave alone. The only thing they should do is preventing the enemy supp to make a play on me or them. More often than not, the enemy is baited into a bad play cause they are simply bored! In my Elo, no one has patience.
Same I'm a super aggressive support but as ADC I want to farm till 2 items before even moving for a single fight ( only for gifted kills ( min 80% survivability))
While I do think that generally matching your support's playstyle does help, if you are stuck with someone just hiding behind you in lane, it is just doomed. You either don't match the playstyle, try to force things and fail like you said... or you stay back as well, letting the enemy push. While this seems like a decent option at first, it is basically just conceding the lane, giving their bot (probably unnecessary) prio, making life in mid and jungle a living hell. On the flip side i had supports going full ham on the enemy botlane while i was playing jhin and we just couldn't win a dps-race. This videos tip implies that just following that up helps, but it usually ended up badly, since the matchup just wasn't suited for that. So from my personal experience, I totally can not relate or agree with this point made in this video. What I said might only apply to high Diamong/low Master. Maybe in other elos the free prio might not be used by enemies as much. Or maybe I don't apply it right. Anyways still high quality video, thanks for putting those out for free. I learned a lot from them and if this vid helps anyone climb, hey who am i to judge :P
Do you have a video with advice on what to do with the "afk Brand" type of support? The sort of Brand player that sits 20 yards back and never even attempts to throw out any skills, literally having no presence or pressure (even the Amumu in the video was at least positioned in a way where he was a threat even if he didn't do anything). I can adapt to most types of support players but I have no idea how to play with that.
What about the games when ur team lead and then they just stop play and are just dying 1 by 1 in our jungle while enwmy team together takes all the objectives? Or when your aggressive type of player support/adc ich choosing fights that cannot be won? Trilion times I have played enchanter support with supoort items and end up with the mlst dmg dealth to enemy in game. Also with best warding score. And yet we lost. And the best option when you win bot with your support you had to adjust to him and after that 7/0 offtank toplaner kills you like you are a minion and you cant do shit about it because every single champ has now gap closer...
If you cant dodge skills shots, you dont have mechanics, cant 2v1 and outplay 4 man dives give up on reaching high elo with adc. Your support is either the one that stands 10 meters behind you, or the support that dies once in lane and roams rest of game. Rank doesnt matter with support until D2+ (as other have mentioned in the comments). Half of the accounts are elo inflated. In some games you are playing 3v1 because support is actively screwing up wave management.
The problem isn't bad support mains, is the autofilled players who almost never play support and don't understand how the lane is different from other lanes.
All they have to do is buff gradually adc in lower elos and bring an authentication system for preventing the smurfs/boosters. I don’t have to play like a Diamond just to have some sort of influence in a Gold elo match. No wonder finding a match as an adc only tooks a min because no one else plays it
Me (playing alistar with phaserush) : i go in with "w" "q" "e" and run away. My adc: ooga booga have to save alistar => Dies or ADC: OOGA BOOGA alistar engages so this is fight he wants => losing the trade. ADC: useless support. Me: after disengaging => 100& hp while i poked them a little. I could do this without any help. conclusion i can't play phase rush alistar because it actively ruins synergy. I have not seen any compent adc understanding that i just want to play as a poke champ (in certain situations). It's truly sad, i can have very high winrates if my adc simply would stop dying for an engage which wasn't meant to be an all in.
Problem is, none of these players are supp players, they just got autofilled and then its up to the fact if they took their prescription today or not.... after 100 adc games these season i queued 1 garen top and actually played my first game of this season.
What’s the skill of my afk lux that is consistently q-ing the wave and losing me bunch of farm over time while refusing to base at 1hp just to get aa once under zurret and dies?
Well if you dont try to force early and wait for support to engage... well you'll press tab at 6 min and mid jung and enemy top are all feed af and you cannot even fight them. So yeah cool concept but arent applicable in real scenario
The problem with that in my experience (not in league cause i'm new here but in other Mobas) is that when you ask a passive tank to engage, 2 things can happen as a result: - Either he';s gonna take it personally and will start tilting and play even worse. - Will not know how to engage at the right time and will just engage at the worse moment everytime since he has no experience engaging cause he's used to playing passive.
How do u stay sane being a slave to ur supports playstyle when u can just play a solo lane and have fun lol ADC main since season 4 and im having a blast in lanes where i decide everything. Would only adc if i have a support im duoed with that matches my playstyle
Would be nice if my ADCs would give me some idea of what they want, instead of doing what appears to be random stuff from my viewpoint and then flaming me for not being perfect for whatever it is they wanted.
@@medbot728as a „semi-new“ Player by myself: Rakan is Not the best supp to learn the game. I started with seraphine, she is super easy to Master Or let him Play tanks since thats Meta: leona, nauti, amumu, maokai… super easy champs to learn. Best Luck for your Next Games as Duo Lane, Hope These Picks may help your bro improving his gameplay 👌🏻 Best tip: me and my Duo mate abuse amumu + miss fortune. The fun begins lvl 6 😉
Sum up your video: You're playing a shitty role that Riot can't fix and at the full whim of your support who has no clue how to play the actual game outside of tossing shields from 20ft behind, so there's nothing you can do.
Okay I am genuinely asking. Where are the Bronze Iron games where hector is matched up with a bot or a yummi that is stealing all his cs because "troll"? It sounds like im being funny but i want to know how anyone including hector wins out when the Support is LITERALLY from hell and not just a different style player than you expected?
For once, this is just plain bullshit. 2nd exemple, opponents are very passive considering they basically play 2v1. That doesn't happen much. + they don't really explain how they got out of 1st perma push during 1st exemple. Usually the only way I found (certainly not the best of course) is to wait having him die to obvious gank, despite having used the push opportunity to deepward and spamming pings.
Yeah, this is the primary reason I prefer duo queue. When 99% of your league games see you botduoing with someone that you're in voice coms with, you get really in tune with their playstyle and can often learn a lot from each other. I picked up on aggression and trading from my partner and he picked up on wave management from me. And yeah, League of Legends is a fundamentally different game when you're on the same wavelength as your support. It's much more fun that way, if nothing else.
As a main Mid-Sup player i can saythe same about ADCs actually. Even I would say there are more bad ADCs then supports unfortunately. I play here and there some ADC as well and there is no better feeling when you have a good support.
i think this is true since ADC are the one that need to know when is the wave pushing or slow, he is the one that hit the minions and decide that, if a support try to push just simply type in chat to tell them last hit or dont touch the wave. Most sp will know this and this will give them the chance to look for an open rather than look at the wave. About drag and heralds, just ask your sp for vision and tank around the area, that is the best they can do. In the end, the most important thing is just to adapt either ur a sp or adc. @@NascimentoKVN
my problem with sups is that they are not going to play janna / lulu rather lux or morgana without poking or just morgana E it is really not enough in a laneingphase when i stay under my tower my jungler spampings me with question marks. then i run down.
When I see my support typing "can i mid?" in the lobby then I know im fucked
SAME
I just dodge these games
@@ocoro174can’t ward and have zero macro and will eventually sidelane and farm tho
just get good mechanics and play aggressive, those mid mains love fights
@@covalentbond7933right? Just tell them to pick an ap mage like brand anivia lux xerath and use there pressure to last hit or get picks
I’ve gotta say, the concepts that Skillcapped talks about are actually pretty profound.
Excellent content!
I almost always play adc though ill go anywhere except jungle, that is a thankless role. Anyway the last ranked game i played my support was a zyra and im playing MF, so do we poke the enemy twitch & yuumi no that would be too smart the zyra constanly face checked the bush with a rat in it and then flamed me for not having faster reactions when the rat melted her and got away with 100 hp dispite me being there and trying to play around her lack of just using a ward to check the bush. Like its my fault i didnt want to face check a invis twitch.
whats wrong with jungle?@@TheStackeddeck77
it makes me realise how many things a game like League can teach us if we have the correct mindset
I think I know one between the worst types: the one who's playstyle is completely contrary to the champ they play, but decide to play the champ right at the exact wrong time...
As an enchanter player myself, I noticed that that's how you know when they're not really good at the champion. Enchanter players usually play like this because they want to play as a shield/heal focused character in the game, but they don't know thay enchanters have an insane pressure early, especially champions like Soraka. Almost every enchanter is a lane bully if you play it properly, but in their mind that's not what they want to do, otherwise they'd be playing mages. The enchanter champions feels too squishy and weak so they don't realize that landing their skills early in lane can be devastating for the enemy. It's a role that needs to play very different in different moments of the game.
That's why I adore Nami W + Scorch rune, early annoying cheese every early game 😆
oh buddy. i'm a fucking MEANCE pre level 3 on soraka XD. all i do is q spam on cooldown and hurl bananas. after that you gotta let off the gas real hard unfortunetly
Enchanters are OP in low elo. You can hard carry with soraka and win game before you even have your ult.
wanna duo? lol
Its nice to watch as a support player too. For us the same concept is working very well. Nice to see it from the other side and learn from it
Absolutely
I guess the same rule applies to all roles. From a jungle perspective, identifying your ADC as a spammer or cautious farmer can give you information to play around with. For hard shovers/vulnerable laners, you can expect to have to countergank. For a Safe wave controller, you can take your time and engage around enemy cooldowns.
it took me 10 years of playing to realize and acknowledge this as a concept. barely anyone talks about this and yet reading players is probably the most important skill you need in order to climb
Yeah, just imagine climbing ranked from perspective of being a babysitter without actually getting paid for your time invested. Kind of like being a parent. A great concept to embrace and master, definitely pays off in middle stage of human life.
As a (bad) support player, this is definitly what i find the most interesting in playing supp : what kind of adc are you playing with ? It changes almost everygame, even if sometimes, we just can't match.
When playing support you dictate the laning phase with your superior utilities. Hence why Skill Capped is recommending ADC to play around the (can be bad) supports. In my experience coaching most low ELO ADCs will follow an engage even if it’s bad. They would only stop following engages if you constantly mess up. As enchanter it’s more complicated but you’re still the key player.
I have another tip to not get frustrated with your random support, do not play adc.
ngl if u want to play an adc that doesnt need sp, play Kaisa. Once u get statik they cant push or gank you that ez ( 1 atk when you first see the wave, then run around do another atk then the wave is already clear), your ult will be your biggest countergank card to them. Then farm and scale late i guess. I have won 10 games in a row with kaisa adc.
@@tranleankien4601Awesome. Im so bad Kai'sa though ❤
@@noname3609Bruh you can get the same results as Sivir level 5. Just q and w the wave and its cleared if its not a cannon wave. Legit no skill, free scale strat
@@noname3609you can go for a kiting jhin build. Statik>gale>Rapid fire(unless you need Doms 3rd) finish with collector into BT or GA if they have a ton of dive and you have bad peel.
@@noname3609some tips:
1 Once you pressed Q the target is locked they will hit no matter what: Auto + q and run away is your trade
2 don't use W untill thr enemy is 4 stakes, the w will make the mark explode. Plus the W cancels an auto, so aa w aa.
3 Use R.for repositioning and not for the shield. Repositioning is the best way to use R the shield part is a given
I've had this moment of clarity in games before... I play support and push up, trade and watch my ADC chill... that is the moment I'm like... "OH" you like that huh, aight, ima chill back and let you play your way and I'll adjust to you...
The moment they lose their fucking minds, I'm out of lane lol
Totally SAME! Man. As a we support we can dictate the laning phase!
See this as Supp with ADC's to, ADC won't follow up and just farm, won't rotate to OBJ, etc. or worst, they flame for non-meta supps or require you to play their way or else. (Supper common with Trist/Sam players as they want to all in always, and hate non-engage supps).
Thats the most helpful video for me yet. All those perfect Grandmaster-Tactics like contesting wave for first level2 all-in do not matter if you have an AFK supp/adc for example. Just do the worse play to keep synergy, etc. Those were perfect examples as well. Thanks
This is so true.
I’ve met 2 Soraka main with a million mastery and lv.7
The first Soraka is trying to use every single spell to help me and the second one is not only do nothing, but she’s refuse to help the other when they in danger and when we win the big team fight. She said that we alive because of her. I’m just wtf are you typing. 😂
Maybe it’s about her mindset of each game? Sometimes I wonder why these 2 different Soraka can get the same lv.7 and a million mastery.
Anyone with a million mastery needs to touch grass
As a new adc player, ive learned the supps in my elo r either super aggressive to the point where they just go in and im not ready and die or play back by tower making it to where i cant push up and farm without being solo killed
I had a sion top yesterday who didnt push or even help teamfights. Trust me there are plenty of players with 0 skill and still hangin out in the same elo just by spending lots lf time in league
What about the supports that go mid for the whole game after dying to an enemy invade
This an adc main. I can tell by how whiny they are
You learn how to play 1v2 obv uwu
Learn to play weakside, a roaming support can put your top, mid, and jg so far ahead and get map vision while you get increased exp from solo laning if the enemy support doesn't match your support's map pressure.
Think about it, is your support really making the wrong call? You're behind from the invade, so it's likely the enemy bot and jungle will snowball bot lane. The way to equalize is this either 1) pray your team helps you (lol) 2) help your team get a lead somewhere else and use that pressure to win.
Then go play by yourself supports is not your slave LOL
@@Evilbob1555I was literally thinking the same thing. I honestly love it when my support leaves me because I’ll just play safe and get fed off of all the CS and solo XP 🤤
Cool calm collective wins as adc, this approach helped me climb from iron4 to silver just cs. And wait patiently for the right moment ftw
I fucking hate "AFK" supports, so it's so nice to know how to best play around them!
As a very aggressive tank player in most games, I'm extremely frustrated in Mobas when I engage and people don't follow ahah, I have a feeling it's gonna be the same in League when i get better and start playing tank aswell more and more
Understandable. But as the same as my support giving 200 point in trading and nothing in macro or vision. I too have a given point and adapting to my weak point dosent help.
Hector has a 1000 in each part and can look good in kind of style.
What should i do then? Getting flame because i play a style im not good at or getting flame because i dont follow bad call?
Life as an adc. Part 2334
Can u do this reversed?
I mean i am a support main and i always get inter adcs
Just do the same thing
Ur just a too passive player most likely
you probably arent properly positioning to zone off the enemy or assert lane control so your adc overcompensates and tries to not give over total control then gets punished by the superior support that is supporting their adc.
My problem in lower Elo is I think I’ve maybe played with a support champion 2 times. They’re usually playing some midlane mage or something weird like nasus.
So I’ve just switched to playing Sivir and I wave clear for days. Problem is in team fights I have absolutely no help. Cause no support. But I’ve been slowly climbing this way regardless.
Finally this is literally what is making me get stuck adc we just want to play smart at all cost so we can farm safely
This is the longest winded explanation I have ever seen for telling ADCs "play around your support they set the tone of the lane."
There is nothing worse as a support than when you know you have the advantage or even traded to get it, and your ADC doesn't follow up and throws it away. The whole reason I learned to roam was because I kept getting passive ADCs who simply refused to take the easy setups.
Although there is so much truth to this, there lacks an understanding or care to utilize match up strengths in CHAMP SELECT. One main reason cait & lux are a strong duo is their pushing power. The ability to shove lane and keep the enemy poked, even under tower. But then there are those Lux players who Q into your minion wave and only E after hitting a snare. Telling an AD to play further up or around the supp when they don't understand the potential of own champ? Let alone combination? That leads to poor outcomes altogether.
Separately just wanted to note how many laners aren't paying attention to level 2 timing and how to take advantage or even give up space accordingly. If playing tristana, I'm leveling W 2nd ready to go in. If my nautilus isn't walking up hitting minion or prepping a hook angle, how can I play around that better? It takes BOTH players to have some knowledge, then to use it. Lol 👌🏿
@@evanfauntleroy5263 see the problem begins when they lock in lux. Lux players are sub human
So the video basically says "pll in low elo have different strenghts, so you have to be strong at everything to be able to play with everyone"
So you need to be a really good played with masters or above skills to climb from low elo
What I get is a Morgana perma W'ing the wave vs Leona/Draven, miss timing her E, dying 24/7 and blaming me for it.
Well, at least I could see some things I can apply to my games, thank you.
I started thinking I would see more of the same... I was impressed, I had never thought about it and it makes perfect sense.
"the support you're playing with is the same elo as you"
TH-camrs constantly sending challenger players in to bronze:
At this point in league my issue is even if my lane is positive bot theres always a jumgler or top lane feeding someone who shouldnt be fed and the whole game goes down even if theyre shut down 😂 but great tips for the lane appreciate it 🎉
ahaha, tuesday night, what a LoL specific description!
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY PLAYING ADC IS A MIND NUMBING EXPERIENCE...
Out 5 games, you would only get 1 decent support. You're seriously better off just playing 1v2 and permanently just freezing the wave for a gank (which is exactly what happened in the amumu kaisa game)
Support is the only role in the game that doesn't correlate to rank (until diamond and above anyways). The only thing consistent about support roles from iron until low diamond is that they would either play like silver in one game or like a diamond player (in a gold rank lobby).
0:24 "typical Tuesday night". Not quite, you left out the part where both support and jungle spam pings you MIA for the next 30 seconds then flat out afk's.
I had a support feed 5 kills before the 5 min mark. Next game, passive Support so I let the enemy slow push a couple waves under tower because I could not contest alone and my support decided to raom in that instant leaving me to try to farm 2 waves under tower while a Jhin, Blitz is blasting me under the tower. This was a Plat support... I think Support is one of the most misunderstood roles. It wouldnt be as bad if it wasn't every game that my support is trash and the enemy support is not.
A random criticism, but I actually really liked the music in this video! It’s good to hear things switched up.
I've gotta say, i have learned an insanely important "trick" with this video. Thank you very much.
In my last game my Support was 0 2 min 1:30. He thought it would be smart to invade alone... Twice
Thanks, maybe that's what I love about ADC. You need to play together to win
1:45 is a lie. Riot August confirmed that diamond midlaner may not be equal in terms of skill when compared to diamond support, it's more like system tries to balance supports in both teams lol. Sadly we don't have different ranks for different roles in game.
Again, diamond support != diamond midlaner.
how to deal with a supp who keeps hitting the cs, constantly pushing the wave, and then dying around the enemy tower by being exposed to ganks?
the last game i played kaisa i had a galio against range and when i got my first skill, i managed to get 1 of a 3 players dive under my tower even without my supp, and he was 060 atm 😢
Most of my supports put all their points into inting.
yo do a guide for supp
plz
Yeah I was also instantly wishing this video was from the other perspective.
As a support player, I have these exact same issues and feelings about this topic.
I found this pretty insightful..
Being on the same page is kind of the most important element…
Making the right play, alone, becomes the wrong play…
And that’s hard to manage sometimes…
Like… I see an opportunity to shove and crash a wave and reset, and my adc is mad that I pushed the wave…
Or I see an opportunity and I help set up a freeze, and I tank some minions to pull the wave, and home boy just blasts the minions I was holding…
We have a “push” ping, I want a “freeze” ping 😂
This is a support guide. Recognize what kind of player the ADC is and adapt to it.
@@MiloThatch420 i think press Ctrl and left click is good enough ( the yellow Stop sign) just spam it when u see your sp hitting the wave :))) or just ask them :)
What if this happens in higher elo where your enemy lane is actually competent and adjusting to your support's "playstyle" leads to losing the lane (either forcing lost fights or playing passively and not being able to farm / getting poked too much)
I had a friend, an adc, and I was supp and we played quite a lot together. I played aggressive supps and my friend played their adcs aggressive, so that was not a problem, however, once we switched roles, I was the most safe playing farmbot ever while my friend still was aggressive as supp, which ended up in us losing every lane. We quickly switched back after this incident.
That said, whenever I play adc, I just hope everytime that my supp just does... absolutely nothing, because I know I can play safe and manage the wave alone. The only thing they should do is preventing the enemy supp to make a play on me or them. More often than not, the enemy is baited into a bad play cause they are simply bored! In my Elo, no one has patience.
Same I'm a super aggressive support but as ADC I want to farm till 2 items before even moving for a single fight ( only for gifted kills ( min 80% survivability))
As a support main it's hard to know that when I lock in my neeko, and need to win early to stay relevant
While I do think that generally matching your support's playstyle does help, if you are stuck with someone just hiding behind you in lane, it is just doomed. You either don't match the playstyle, try to force things and fail like you said... or you stay back as well, letting the enemy push. While this seems like a decent option at first, it is basically just conceding the lane, giving their bot (probably unnecessary) prio, making life in mid and jungle a living hell. On the flip side i had supports going full ham on the enemy botlane while i was playing jhin and we just couldn't win a dps-race. This videos tip implies that just following that up helps, but it usually ended up badly, since the matchup just wasn't suited for that. So from my personal experience, I totally can not relate or agree with this point made in this video. What I said might only apply to high Diamong/low Master. Maybe in other elos the free prio might not be used by enemies as much. Or maybe I don't apply it right. Anyways still high quality video, thanks for putting those out for free. I learned a lot from them and if this vid helps anyone climb, hey who am i to judge :P
If they hide behind you just tell them to go roam and then 1v2
Do you have a video with advice on what to do with the "afk Brand" type of support? The sort of Brand player that sits 20 yards back and never even attempts to throw out any skills, literally having no presence or pressure (even the Amumu in the video was at least positioned in a way where he was a threat even if he didn't do anything). I can adapt to most types of support players but I have no idea how to play with that.
You don't. You CS for the entirety of laning phase, and then you join teamfights.
instructions unclear my nautilus keeps dying over and over landing hooks on the wall and blaming me for it, at 0/3 he goes midlane and runs it.
What about the games when ur team lead and then they just stop play and are just dying 1 by 1 in our jungle while enwmy team together takes all the objectives? Or when your aggressive type of player support/adc ich choosing fights that cannot be won? Trilion times I have played enchanter support with supoort items and end up with the mlst dmg dealth to enemy in game. Also with best warding score. And yet we lost. And the best option when you win bot with your support you had to adjust to him and after that 7/0 offtank toplaner kills you like you are a minion and you cant do shit about it because every single champ has now gap closer...
BROOOO WHEN I SUP AMUMU , WE ALWAYS WIN 😂😂😂. He has stun. That's like one of the most OP things about him
sometimes you get a yuumi who sits afk on you, not even a q to speak of
If you cant dodge skills shots, you dont have mechanics, cant 2v1 and outplay 4 man dives give up on reaching high elo with adc. Your support is either the one that stands 10 meters behind you, or the support that dies once in lane and roams rest of game.
Rank doesnt matter with support until D2+ (as other have mentioned in the comments). Half of the accounts are elo inflated. In some games you are playing 3v1 because support is actively screwing up wave management.
The problem isn't bad support mains, is the autofilled players who almost never play support and don't understand how the lane is different from other lanes.
With that being said delete yummi from the game please
Most of the time i get supports wanting me to engage and wondering why i am so bad at it. Then flame me for not going in or starting something.
Do you have a video on runes, secondaries and so on. I'm new and I have no idea what they are?
All they have to do is buff gradually adc in lower elos and bring an authentication system for preventing the smurfs/boosters. I don’t have to play like a Diamond just to have some sort of influence in a Gold elo match. No wonder finding a match as an adc only tooks a min because no one else plays it
Im the "fuck it, we ball" kind of support
Me (playing alistar with phaserush) : i go in with "w" "q" "e" and run away.
My adc: ooga booga have to save alistar => Dies or ADC: OOGA BOOGA alistar engages so this is fight he wants => losing the trade.
ADC: useless support.
Me: after disengaging => 100& hp while i poked them a little. I could do this without any help.
conclusion i can't play phase rush alistar because it actively ruins synergy. I have not seen any compent adc understanding that i just want to play as a poke champ (in certain situations).
It's truly sad, i can have very high winrates if my adc simply would stop dying for an engage which wasn't meant to be an all in.
Problem is, none of these players are supp players, they just got autofilled and then its up to the fact if they took their prescription today or not.... after 100 adc games these season i queued 1 garen top and actually played my first game of this season.
I don't understand what 7/8 of those stats on the octagon is supposed to represent in game
What’s the skill of my afk lux that is consistently q-ing the wave and losing me bunch of farm over time while refusing to base at 1hp just to get aa once under zurret and dies?
"You should not tilt about", my stomach just screaming USE THE FKIN QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
Well if you dont try to force early and wait for support to engage... well you'll press tab at 6 min and mid jung and enemy top are all feed af and you cannot even fight them. So yeah cool concept but arent applicable in real scenario
Is this narrator Ezreal's voice actor? Dude, definitely sounds like him.
Most of the time I focus on the enemy champs and help my adc feed to the point when I go help jg the adv can solo both of em
How to adapt to your support not only sitting back but also flaming you?
actual good video lol did NOT expect that
I mean, in the mumu support game, why not just ask them if they are okay with engaging? Pings also work.
The problem with that in my experience (not in league cause i'm new here but in other Mobas) is that when you ask a passive tank to engage, 2 things can happen as a result:
- Either he';s gonna take it personally and will start tilting and play even worse.
- Will not know how to engage at the right time and will just engage at the worse moment everytime since he has no experience engaging cause he's used to playing passive.
i will categorize this taric as a warwick player
How do u stay sane being a slave to ur supports playstyle when u can just play a solo lane and have fun lol ADC main since season 4 and im having a blast in lanes where i decide everything. Would only adc if i have a support im duoed with that matches my playstyle
And thats is why there are 5 roles in the game, for me, i never solo lane.
Would be nice if my ADCs would give me some idea of what they want, instead of doing what appears to be random stuff from my viewpoint and then flaming me for not being perfect for whatever it is they wanted.
This guy sounds exactly what i imagine a challenger neckbeard to sound like
pyke main so if the adcs ass i leave lane 😭
Just add voice chat and willa be no problem
So it should work the other way around right?
8:16 ya sure you guys aint low elo? that q is blocked
"if your support is bad at one thing that just means they're good at another"
Who's gonna tell him?
When I see my support pick ashe or twitch, I know I'm fucked
The only role where you aren't even allowed to have your own playstyle if you wanna win xD.
This is such an obvious non-obvious thought. Thanks!
That Amumu man....
How do you know that you will hit lvl 2?
A standard Tuesday night LMAO 🤣
I'm the agressive type who flames the adc for not following.
Me too brother they always just barely get away because my AD wont follow
I wish I had y’all as supports 😭 My friend is semi-new and refuses to maintain a line with me. Just stands back. As Rakan of all champions.
@@medbot728as a „semi-new“ Player by myself:
Rakan is Not the best supp to learn the game.
I started with seraphine, she is super easy to Master
Or let him Play tanks since thats Meta: leona, nauti, amumu, maokai… super easy champs to learn.
Best Luck for your Next Games as Duo Lane, Hope These Picks may help your bro improving his gameplay 👌🏻
Best tip: me and my Duo mate abuse amumu + miss fortune. The fun begins lvl 6 😉
@@medbot728make him play soraka and nami at least he will heal u
Aggresive supports= bad, the adc decides when to all in and stuff
What about support that who doesnt stop dying D:
I feel like this video is disregarding the fact that the adc himself has strengths and weaknesses and probably cant adapt to certain playstyles.
Once I tried to play support... now I play only mid cuz it is much easier (I don't even have a rank)
One tip. Click the fucking lantern.
"Everyone has different strengths" um most player have no strengths 😂
Sum up your video: You're playing a shitty role that Riot can't fix and at the full whim of your support who has no clue how to play the actual game outside of tossing shields from 20ft behind, so there's nothing you can do.
I can’t tell if this video gaslit me into thinking I’m a good adc and my supports are just bad
What if my support goes mid all game
I mean if playing Sona Soraka Lulu and enchanters in general could get every support players in platinum...I suppose we would know 😂
Okay I am genuinely asking. Where are the Bronze Iron games where hector is matched up with a bot or a yummi that is stealing all his cs because "troll"? It sounds like im being funny but i want to know how anyone including hector wins out when the Support is LITERALLY from hell and not just a different style player than you expected?
For once, this is just plain bullshit. 2nd exemple, opponents are very passive considering they basically play 2v1. That doesn't happen much.
+ they don't really explain how they got out of 1st perma push during 1st exemple. Usually the only way I found (certainly not the best of course) is to wait having him die to obvious gank, despite having used the push opportunity to deepward and spamming pings.
Try this from iron 4 playing adc solo, then ill subcribe to this service
0-11 supports put all points in to boosting.
Yeah, this is the primary reason I prefer duo queue. When 99% of your league games see you botduoing with someone that you're in voice coms with, you get really in tune with their playstyle and can often learn a lot from each other. I picked up on aggression and trading from my partner and he picked up on wave management from me. And yeah, League of Legends is a fundamentally different game when you're on the same wavelength as your support. It's much more fun that way, if nothing else.
good video
As a main Mid-Sup player i can saythe same about ADCs actually. Even I would say there are more bad ADCs then supports unfortunately. I play here and there some ADC as well and there is no better feeling when you have a good support.
i think this is true since ADC are the one that need to know when is the wave pushing or slow, he is the one that hit the minions and decide that, if a support try to push just simply type in chat to tell them last hit or dont touch the wave. Most sp will know this and this will give them the chance to look for an open rather than look at the wave. About drag and heralds, just ask your sp for vision and tank around the area, that is the best they can do. In the end, the most important thing is just to adapt either ur a sp or adc. @@NascimentoKVN
my problem with sups is that they are not going to play janna / lulu rather lux or morgana
without poking or just morgana E it is really not enough in a laneingphase
when i stay under my tower my jungler spampings me with question marks.
then i run down.
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