On a Pre64 Model 70; Controlled Round Feed is where the extractor grabs the cartridge as it is emerging from the magazine, guiding it into the chamber in the same fashion as a Mauser. Push feed is when the extractor snaps over the groove as it’s being chambered.
To Ron S.: Since you asked us about the format of the videos here on You Tube -----> I say: Keep doing what you have been doing! I personally care nothing about 7mms (or magnums), I hate scopes, and despise light little carbines, but - you do make good comments about many things that are very needful, such as proper bullet placement and getting used to where the firearm shoots at when you squeeze the trigger at various distances. Ethical hunting versus wounding of animals. Your very good video about actual recoil where you stood sideways to the camera and next to a building and shoot a heavy recoiling rifle was very educational / informative. You are very correct about the work-until-you-die mentality in the U.S.A.. I wonder if it stems from the Great Depression from 1929 to 1940? Yes - we need to pay the rent, buy groceries, shoes, etc. but many people here never "stop to smell the flowers".
Right on, Gus. Despite my "work balance" statements, I fight the "work work work" ethos. Here I am well beyond normal retirement age and still cranking out articles, videos, podcasts while managing a small ranch, cutting my own firewood, plowing my drive and yards, planting and watering wildlife trees and food plots, etc. etc. But it beats sitting on a cruise ship catching Covid! And I stop and smell the flowers (and photograph them) as I work!
A lot has been written - especially with the upsurge in interest in long-range target shooting - about external ballistics such as the topics you cover here. What I never see written about, however, is an aspect of internal ballistics: not the linear acceleration of the bullet, but rather the effect of rifling on the movement of the gun while the bullet is traversing the barrel. Obviously, the rifling is exerting a force on the bullet as it accelerates to the muzzle, that increases the bullet's rate of rotation (clockwise with right hand twist rifling). It's not a trivial amount of torque that's required to spin a bullet up to (for a 1:12 twist at 3,000 f/s) 180,000 RPM in a millisecond or so. Yet often neglected is the fact of the equal and opposite torque exerted on the barrel by the bullet's inertia, which is resisting the torque being imposed by the rifling. That torque, imposed by the accelerating bullet pushing on the rifling, wants to rotate the gun along the axis of the barrel, in the opposite - eg, counterclockwise, direction. You can see the effect of this torque in slow-motion video of a rifle or handgun being fired, as the gun rotates counterclockwise and recoils backwards. If the barrel alone were suspended freely in space, such that it was free to spin along its bore centerline - the barrel's axis - it would smoothly rotate about its bore axis, counterclockwise, at a speed proportional to its mass relative to the mass of the bullet - while the bullet would rotate clockwise within it, as it moved forward. Of course, the bullet would rotate to a much greater degree, based on the balance of forces implicit in F=MA; that is, M(barrel)*A(barrel)=M(bullet)*A(bullet) - the rotary acceleration of the much more massive barrel would be much less than the rotary acceleration of the relatively lightweight bullet. That much is obvious. But the barrel ISN'T suspended freely in space and perfectly symmetrical in mass around the axis of the bore, spinning like a barrel clamped in a lathe; it's connected to the receiver, and the stock, and the shooter holding the forearm, and the buttstock against the shoulder and the cheek of the shooter, etc. The axis of rotation of the barrel is nowhere near the axis of rotation of the entire rifle (in this example) or pistol being held by a grip that descends below the barrel, held by a hand enclosing a magazine full of bullets. That complicated mass is going to rotate, not around the barrel's axis, but rather about its own various axial centers of mass - which not only change from muzzle to buttstock, but which also could be further complicated - by a riflescope at some height above the bore axis, or a magazine dangling below the receiver, etc. Any slow-motion video of a gun being fired - typically from the front of the weapon looking back at the shooter and slightly off to the side of the weapon - will show, for example, the riflescope deflecting off to the left (from the shooter's perspective), the entire rifle less so, the magazine to the right, etc. as the torque on the rifle imposed by the bullet's resistance to being spun up forces the complex distribution of masses to rotate, and move laterally off the point of aim/axis of the barrel at the moment of firing. The resulting motion flips the muzzle sideways, the whole gun pivoting around the various resistance points of mass and contact, all of which are dynamically changing as it moves in the grip of the shooter. Each time the gun is fired, that set of resistance points and masses is going to change - a tighter grip, more pressure on the shoulder, a magazine with one less bullet's mass in it, etc. - and the motion of the gun is going to change along with it, the muzzle of the barrel taking a different pathway and "flipping" the bullet as it exits the muzzle to a greater or lesser degree, in an unpredictable direction compared to the previous shot. All those forces - which tend to be ignored given the direct impact on the shooter's shoulder of the gun's recoil - substantially vary the placement of bullets down range for even the most carefully and consistently held firearm, yet I never see the issue discussed. I bring it up, because if we don't know that it's happening, we can't compensate for it or take it into consideration when we are preparing for a shot - for example in the way we brace a weapon prior to pulling the trigger. Your comments on the effect of wind and rotational physics during the external ballistics portion of the bullet's flight from muzzle to target triggered this thought, so I figured I'd bring it up to try to add to the conversation. Thanks, as always, for a stimulating discussion of what makes things fly through the air and hit what we want them to.
Interesting comment. I hadn't thought of it before but makes sense.. somewhat similar to when using a drill to put in screws, it torques the screw one way and your wrist the other. Your gun will have a twisting action.. so maybe having it twist into your cheek weld would be better than twisting away feom your check? Or would the opposite be better?
@@hrmIwonder Your analogy with a hand drill is exactly the kind of reaction, with the drill the analog of the rifle/handgun and the screw the analog of the bullet. Funny thing is, once you've looked at a slow motion video of a rifle or handgun under recoil, the reactive force is obvious, and you can't "unsee" it. Rollover combs and cheek pads are usually configured so that under recoil, the stock moves away from the shooter's cheek. That means a steep downward slope from butt to receiver, and an increasingly right offset from butt to receiver. The objective, of course, is to minimize impact on the shooter. To counter this force, you'd want the opposite; that is, to use the shooter's head and neck to stop the counterclockwise rotation of the gun. With any of the more powerful calibers, however, the consequence for the shooter might well be intolerable. Is there an alternative solution? Perhaps. Muzzle brakes are usually designed to redirect combustion gas upward, to provide a downward moment at the muzzle to counter muzzle rise. Presumably, a brake could be configured to divert gases circumferentially, to counter the rotating moment, although the force would only act at the point of exit of the bullet - rather than throughout the period of the bullet's traversal down the barrel. You'd think that the pistol grip of an AR would be an effective counter, too, but I've seen ARs being fired in slow motion, and they rotate, as well. It's an interesting problem.
@MrGsteele you're probably right, you probably don't want that impulse going into your head and neck.. I don't think the muzzle break would do much, since as you said, by the time it has effect, the bullet is gone. Although, as the bullet goes down the barrel, the column of air in front of it does get pushed out... so maybe use some sort of gyroscope effect. Have a weighted flywheel spinning vertically in the stock (its axis perpendicular to the parrel), it'd resist a twisting motion, not really practicall. Next big thing, benchrest with electronically and mechanically active rifles instead of passive lol. "Hold on, lemme spin up my rifle"
Nice, thorough analysis, Mr. G, but in the end perhaps more worry than necessary. I say this because, despite all the torqueing going on, our rifles routinely shoot MOA, often 1/2 MOA, sometimes 1/4 MOA, and certainly Minute of Deer in all but a few extreme cases. Meaning, for the average and ever above average shooter/hunter, torque doesn't matter! But it's good to know. I certainly see/feel torque and am rather surprised how well our rifles, scopes, and bullets perform despite it.
33:03 if you hunt in an area where you expect to have a 200 yard shot and you have a laser rangefinder or, for Pete’s sake, a surveyor’s chain, then you have access to a 200 yard range.
bear spray info, the exsperation date is due to reliability of the internal oring that deteriats over time and the propelent leaks out so when its go time you might not have pressure.
Ron, I have the dreaded ringing in my ears due to the adventure of my youth. When shooting, especially rifles, this is worse. If you could do a series, like the one on .308's, covering Suppressors (value, moderate and premium) and what to expect (impact of 8oz or 16 oz suppressor on light rifles) that would be great. Most of us semi old fudds would benefit from your input on how the various suppressors feel and work on the light hunting rifles. For me, I hope to add a suppressor in the next year to my Christensen Arms Mesa with a 1/2x28 threaded barrel (thinking something like the NOSLER SR-30ALTI or Banish Backcountry) with the hope it allows me to hunt honest and shoot straight more often.
Ron , thanks for bringing back memories of our youth in Scotland ,South Dakota area. Many of the kids walked beans and picked rocks or stacked bales for money for fishing & hunting equipment..I bought my first shotgun a Winchester 1200 pump with that money.at age 16.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Yes Sir I trapped Dawson Creek leading into lake Henry. Muskrats Mink and an Occasional Raccoon . Back in the early 70's Racoons furs where around 25 bucks I picked lots of road kills .My dad said you won't get anything for that. Well maybe not prime price but 15 to 20 bucks . I bought a lot of Master Mag 22 shells at Coast to Coast.in Scotland. Only paid 1.99 for the 100 packs. Arlene Hamburger was the owner of the store. . Ivan Downer had the other hardware store that's where I bought my traps. Good memories.
You are right Ron when I was a kid people worked hard, My dad would often go to early mass Sunday morning then change into his work clothes and off to work!😊
For the guy whose groups open when the barrel warms, what type of barrel? Did you go ultra-light with a carbon fiber? This issue seems somewhat common with those things. The fibers and the steel expand with heat at different rates, so when it warms, it tries to act like a thermostat spring.
I completely agree about stalking an animal to get as close as possible. Not only does it get you as close as possible for a better guarantee of hitting your target, but more importantly it shows RESPECT for the animal. Too many times a poke and hope shot results in a wounded animal and no recovery. In my youth, many years ago, it was how we actually fed the family which demanded that we get close for a one shot kill.
Distance has nothing to do with making a good shot or being respectful of your game. Preparation and practice is key he respect, I’m not going to take a 300 yard shot and hope it goes where I want it to, I’m going to be sure of where exactly my bullet is going before I pull the trigger not after. And there’s never a guarantee not even a better one, if the animal is going to jump and make you kiss it doesn’t matter how close you are.
Hey Kentucky Ken, I have an older BAR and i run a 4-12x40 and the medium height works well. The only problem is the sunshade on my scope nearly touches the rear sight. I think your 3-9x should be fine.
That guy with the accuracy problem with the 7mm Rem Mag: Magnum calibers tend to get copper fouled quicker than nonmagnum calibers. When one buys a good used magnum like a Rem. Model 700, it is very important to use a good/proven copper solvent like Sweets 7.62 (paying VERY close attention to solvent directions) and remove all copper build-up in the grooves and lands. Your "average" hunter, using a mag. hunting rifle, usually does not clean the barrel according to competition standards with a good COPPER SOLVENT. To say again: With MAGNUM RIFLES, belted or unbelted, you need to use a good COPPER SOLVENT because copper fouling builds up quicker in mag. calibers than non magnum ones. If you let that copper fouling build up, even if your shooting technique is "perfect," your pattern could resemble a 12 gauge #8 shot pattern at 50 yards or more.....Just an extra thought Ron. Your other check points are spot-on. After hitting those points, including trigger pull weight; NOTE: ( YOU CAN NOT GET SURGICAL ACCURACY WITH AN 8 POUND TRIGGER! Your lips will turn blue and you'll nearly pass out before that 8 lb abomination breaks); again, clean the barrel of ALL COPPER FOULING. If that doesn't do it, REPLACE THE BARREL, it could very well be shot-out past the accuracy point. The other sad point: Magnum barrels do not maintain sub moa accuracy as long as non magnum ones. That's due to higher bullet velocities, higher temps., pressures, and bullet to barrel friction coefficients.
Part of the reason for Spindrift has to do with the fact that when you fire around and it is at an upward angle as it comes down to gravity it doesn't change that bullet from staying pointed upward and as there's an effect on the bullet that spinning, if it's spinning to the right it will tend to turn to the right as there's pressure on the bullet to align itself with going forward. That's called gyroscopic progression. If it's spinning to the left it will do the same thing only it will turn to the left. And it's exacerbated by the fact that it's spinning and the rifling marks actually will paddle and climb that bullet in the direction of its spin. Because the more stabilized pressure is behind the bullet, not in front of the bullet. Especially when it's going at supersonic speeds, and like a 308 when it gets to about 700 yards becomes transonic and the effect is even greater after that. At least as far as the wind, and the effect on the air is concerned.
If you really care about velocity and hitting the right accuracy node in a 7, there’s only one option to go to. It’s getting a 28 Nosler and reloading, he cheapest rifles I can find are 900-1100, but if you’re going for perfection it can cost a few extra hundred dollars.
Hi Ron, I wondered about spin drift. I use a laser boresight at 25yds. Then I take it to 100yds for zero confirmation. With my last 6.5creedmoor, I noticed that after laser boresighting at 25 yards at a hundred the point of impact was 3 MOA right of the point of aim. I wondered if the drift was due to the rifling as I had heard from forums. After hearing your podcast, I now wonder why there was that much difference. It didn't matter to me much, I just made the correction adjusted my zero, and called it a day. But I still wonder what caused this.
The beuro of ordinanc was particularly behind in 92/ 98when using krags.(1) issued krags with a rear sight preventing witdrawel from scabards. Really. (2) they ran a ridiculous heavy bullet220grain.(3) krags have TWO locking lugs. Ordinance fit only one to reciever. 98 models mostly fit both( ordinance fially dumped krags looking ( it is said) for a 150 g / 2700.good my krag does it.
It sounds like your viewer with the 7mm rem mag is having heat related issues as he mentions that he needs to wait for the rifle to cool before the accuracy comes back and I don’t think a loose or broken scope would be affected in that way and maybe not even loose bedding. If the barrel isn’t floated from the stock, or even not in consistent contact that could certainly explain the problem. If it’s a wood stock, those can change a little over time or with humidity changes. I’d suggest doing the dollar bill test and repeat that when the barrel is hot. Of course, if he hasn’t got any dollar bills left, a piece of paper should do just fine.
Little story about wind.... One year when I was shooting the national matches at Camp Perry, The wind at the firing line flag was blowing left to right, And the flags at the six hundred yard line we're blowing right to left. The wind can get weird off of Lake Erie.
Hi Ron, so I don't have a 7mm rifle in any type of 7mm, -08, PRC, Rem Mag etc... So my question is, since I don't have one yet, should I consider the 7mmPRC? I really want a 7mm and if I already had the 7mm Rem Mag that would be sufficient, but since I don't, I am really kind of Interested in the 7mm PRC. What's your opinion? Thank you!
Ron, yes please keep doin what you doin. And anytime you dissinimate info on the Nobel.30-06 I am interested. Have been following your writing and now pods since the mid 70's. And yes, I still havecmy ol rem 700 in .30-06. One of if not the most versatile cartridge in the world. Keep it up sir.
Please keep the podcast random topics. Id also enjoy you reading more of your stories. Great advice for the commentator of the week, some close calls caused me to focus more on enjoying my time on this earth versus gaining material things. I gotta constantly remind myself of my choice and focus but it's not failed me yet.
Havent watched all the way through yet but what if your hunting in southern hemisphere vs northern hemisphere would that effect which way you should spin your bullet?
No sir, but would change the direction of the Coriolis Effect, which is not a force, but the result of the Earth's surface spinning at a faster rate toward the equator, slower rate nearer the poles.
When people ask about checking zero at a short range of 25 yards or so, the height of the scope centerline above the bore is very important. The answer varies, for example if someone is using high scope rings and a 34mm tube scope vs lower rings with a 1" tube.
Hi Ron, The Creedmore advertises it's long bullet, high BC "advantage" over the 260 Rem. with its faster twist, sharper angled shoulder, longer neck and shorter case; the CM's added room for bullets above the body is supposed to allow longer bullets; uhh, ok? What's the advantage over the 260 Rem. when the 260 has more capacity to allow a little intrusion of those same bullets into the body-shoulder junction? The CM's small rifle primers allow slightly more pressure; but still, this makes the smaller powder capacity than the 260 Rem. a wash in muzzle velocity, at the expense of slightly more throat erosion with its higher pressures, so what good are small rifle primers? I haven't seen any data of their superiority over large rifle primers. I never believed the Creedmore hype and rebarreled my '82 Ruger M-77 Tang Safety with a 26" PacNor, chrome moly, polygonal rifled, palma contoured, 1-8 twist 260AI. Take that, CM hype!😄 One more thing, try resizing some of the millions of spent 308 win. cases into 6.5 CM like you can with the 260 Rem.
Well the 6.5 Creed more absolutely does have some advantages like tighter chamber tolerances and it is designed from the ground up to run 140+ grain .260 bullets. It’s simply the 260 Remington of the modern era. You buy a cheap 6.5 CM hunting rifle and more often than not it will shoot everything fairly well. You cant say the same about the .260 Remington. O yah I almost forgot that you can find factory ammo everywhere.
Ron? Looks like you’re gonna have to do a show on the 6.5CM -v- 260 Rem. in Savage 110. Hand load to each of their barrel optimums and shoot both concurrently.
Ron I have a per 69 rem 700 custom deluxe 7mm mag I got from sporting good went by store few years later dealer ask if I would sell back I said still using he had some on shelf he said wasn't the same he said mine had the black from barrel did they make them I know it shoots a three shot group inside a dime at 100yard and it does lot of damage more than some newer ones
Good stuff. Mean Point Blank Range is very important is you can't sight at 100 or 200 yards. But you need to have every possible point of information to feed the ballistic calculator. Take that, and verify everything. If it's off, feed all the info in again with a longer shot which will make it more accurate
I don’t know if you know that water goes down the plug hole in different directions in the Northern and the Southern Hemispheres. Does it make a difference in rifling?
Ron, your discussion of holdover prompted two thoughts -- ONE, the story of taking out an Iraqi sniper by a Marine scout sniper in Fallujah in '04.1300 yards, the marine had to shift 12 feet left for windage, and 12 feet of holdover. The Iraqi took a center mass shot. Still the record for 7.62x51. TWO, there's a small difference between .223 and 5.56; is there a similar difference between ,308 and 7.62x51? Thanks, m'friend.
The difference between 223 and 5.56 is mostly in the throating reamer. The standard spec for 223 is for a shorter and narrower throat. They are also operate at different max average pressures, but the pressures are measured in different places in the two cartridges. There is no distinction in the way a 308 and 7.62 are chambered, nor in their pressure.
@@jasonshults368 The USMC (and Army) trained Snipers do not use the 5.56mm coyote cartridge. Marines and U.S. Army snipers (that graduated from Sniper School) use the 7.62mm x61 (a .30 cal. bullet) NATO cartridge, same one as used in the M-14 rifle.
Thanks Swampy. Yes, many new or casual shooters do not understand the physics of wind, gravity, bullets, yaw, precession, spin drift, wind deflection, Coriolis effect, etc. I knew none of it until I began studying and there is much I still do not know! The ballistic weeds get pretty thick and deep when you really dive in.
I can’t believe u haven’t shot a tikka rifle. I’m not rich. That is the best rifle u can buy for the buck. U should try the tikka out. I’d love to see your opinion for that medium priced gun.
Hey Ron Kirby from MJ SASK Canada,I love your videos and have learned tons from you.I got some hate mail regarding a comment I made about shooting into wood awhile back not sure if it was a viewer or someone from your team,I'm hoping it wasn;t the latter I just needed to comment as I spend a lot of my personal time to watch your videos brother......
Kirby, we do not send hate mail. I treat all commenters with respect, trying to understand where the commenter is "coming from." If comments appear to be nonsense, vitriol, or troll sourced, I ignore.
Pre 64 really applys to all Winchester Firearms to some extent As there entire line changed.If am no mistaken. They went to different metals from steel to alloys for receivers on the 94s n others. People simply didnt care for such n the other changes made to the M70 you touched on. However It sold n more PFs M70 were made than the Pre 64. Its actually a better designed extractor n also 3 rings of steel of the 700 line. I like em n have pre post early post mid n late post PF had Classics wish still did,post New Havens n finaly got the CRPF in 06 .. Carry on Sir
Check torque on action screws. Run a dollar bill between the barrel and stock. If I catches the stock is putting uneven pressure on the barrel and throwing harmonics off. Check scope screws make sure they are properly torqued and aren't bound
Ron, I need you to explain something!!! This 1000ft pounds of energy from a rifle to effectively kill whitetail. I call BS!! I've heard this several times from you and other writers and lol professionals. Here is my reasoning. Not too long ago, I watched you test a 10mm handgun you were going to take on a whitetail hunt. Which if I'm not mistaken, it has, on average, 570Ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. Now, doing the math that's 350-foot lbs at 75 yards and getting a complete pass thru. So why does everyone say you have to have 1000ft-lbs ?? I personally say 650ft lbs or more. please explain why and how yall come up with 1000ft lbs??
Lyle, I often mention the widely accepted 1,000 f-p energy "standard" because it's sort of an accepted benchmark minimum many Fish & Game depts. use to establish legal deer cartridges. But I also often say I do not subscribe to this standard simply because energy doesn't kill. Hemorrhaging does. A projectile --whether bullet, arrow, spear, knife -- needs only enough energy to reach and cut/tear arteries and/or cardio pulmonary organs or the central nervous system. Can be done to deer with a 22 Short. But such "weak" cartridges increase the likelihood of hit but unrecovered animals. Higher energy cartridges increase wound damage and potential game recovery significantly, thus a minimum "standard." But, make no mistake, a bullet with 200 f-p energy properly placed in the heart/lungs/brain will terminate a deer and even (so the story goes) an elephant.
Just the grooves in the bullet after it leaves the rifle grabs air. Just like a foot ball. Yah and air behind it is all to much info. I start seeing twist rate past 700. 800 i get almost 5 inches of spin drift
Great show. You might think of adding a bright light that mounts on SHF or bear guns. I heard poeple using Laser sights to help aim also. Keep up good work thank you
Wow, I'm watching this "reading the mail" and and these questions are so basic I have to wonder about the experience level of your audience? To your credit, you handle these questions with grace & I respect your good humor while responding to these entry level questions. I am sure you know a thing or two because you are a fellow Ackley fan. I have been saying for years that the 22-250Ackley Improved deserves factory chamberings. I own two, BTW. It is my opinion that it is a good thing that Ackley users must be handloaders, I am a firm believer that all centerfire rifle shooters should be handloaders because they usually know what they are talking about and seldom ask these entry level questions. I enjoy your channel, and wish you continued success.
I have retinopathy depending on the day I can’t see iron sights well enough to be accurate but I can see a red dot on my worst day and as for speed when my eyes were good I shot pistol drills for speed on a timer and couldn’t see a discernible difference between irons and a red dot
@@jasonshults368 Sorry last day of the moose hunt and I see a bull 5-600 yards it will be going down I want the meat!! That is why I bought a 7mm PCR and a good scope!!! cost me too much money not to take the shot 🙂
@@thegrantdanielsbandthat's an odd comment to make considering from 600 yards and in, the 7 PRC is at a disadvantage to a number of cartridges due to it's lack of options of commercial ammunition with bullets optimized for those ranges and not all that much for reloading data as well. You should probably rewatch the video and note that he says you really have to go to long range to see any advantage of the 7PRC over the 7mm Rem Mag.
@@theleo91386 Odd? not really the hunting bullets for the 7mm PRC are more than adequate and far beyond at those ranges than the 7 Rem?? Give me the 7mm PRC any day than those flipping bullets!! these modern bullets fly true look it up 🙂
Why are so many people chasing High BC ? rom what I can see unless you're shooting at least 500 yds You can't tell the difference. And honestly, if you're shooting a thousand yards, you've already got 10 ft of hold over with that super high BC bullet. What's another 5 or 6 ft???? I would think knowing your drops would be much more important than having a super high VC, but that's just me.
Its more about wind. Their can be slopes that have different crosswinds. Without data at each point, it’s hard to be 100% even with an average. Wind speed. and bc minimizes all of the drifts
@@allthingsconsidered3211 what time of day do you see deer and elk???? In my experience I see them in the morning and just before dark and those times of the day I don't have wind..... Every shot over 100 yds I've ever made, there simply was no wind but I've only killed, well, I've lost track of how many deer and elk I have killed, but again that's just me. Every long shot I ever make I know my drops, I hold over. I drop the bullet in, and I'm eating back strap for dinner. (I do understand your mileage may vary).
Even if I'm not shooting WAAAAY over there, high bc bullets retain more energy which means less chance the animal runs off. Also, I adjust less meaning I don't have to hold way off into space saying "yeah that looks about right!" Bc I just hold on the spine and nail the vitals out to as far as I'm willing to shoot. Wind blows the bullet less so I have more time to make the shot bc the bullet isn't going a mile off to the left bc of a breeze. The fact that the bullets look super cool also doesn't hurt lol!
You can work your whole life chasing dollars and never live.i work very hard .went to work full time at 13.immediatly after high-school I received a great promotion and was placed on salary 7 to6 6 days a week.sun with my small family . nowadays I play hard.my son died prematurely and I woke up.he was successful also and we did a few vacations. But we never hunted together. Too late now.take your kids outdoors
I doubt any reliable data is available for any such claim, some moron politician putting forth an idea because a donor told him it’s a good idea is not proof of anything valuable.
The only way I could even fathom this being true is if it’s due to a higher usage by young or inexperienced shooters due to the lesser recoil than larger calibers. To insinuate however, that 7mm isn’t just as capable of killing anything in North America, and an argument could be made for the planet, than 30 caliber is laughable at best, and I’m sure you don’t even believe that.
I critique the hell out of Ron, but you didn't even spend the time to listen to what Ron said. If you had you would have learned something, go back, listen to the question and listen to Ron's answer and then delete your comment because you sir are a certified idiot...
The monologue answering Shane's question is the type of wisdom I come back for time and time again.
None of your shows are boring Ron! Please keep doing them! I love all the content!
On a Pre64 Model 70; Controlled Round Feed is where the extractor grabs the cartridge as it is emerging from the magazine, guiding it into the chamber in the same fashion as a Mauser. Push feed is when the extractor snaps over the groove as it’s being chambered.
I acquired a Winchester Model 88 in .308! Found a Weaver K4 to mount on top! Love it!
To Ron S.: Since you asked us about the format of the videos here on You Tube -----> I say: Keep doing what you have been doing!
I personally care nothing about 7mms (or magnums), I hate scopes, and despise light little carbines, but - you do make good comments about many things that are very needful, such as proper bullet placement and getting used to where the firearm shoots at when you squeeze the trigger at various distances. Ethical hunting versus wounding of animals. Your very good video about actual recoil where you stood sideways to the camera and next to a building and shoot a heavy recoiling rifle was very educational / informative.
You are very correct about the work-until-you-die mentality in the U.S.A.. I wonder if it stems from the Great Depression from 1929 to 1940? Yes - we need to pay the rent, buy groceries, shoes, etc. but many people here never "stop to smell the flowers".
Right on, Gus. Despite my "work balance" statements, I fight the "work work work" ethos. Here I am well beyond normal retirement age and still cranking out articles, videos, podcasts while managing a small ranch, cutting my own firewood, plowing my drive and yards, planting and watering wildlife trees and food plots, etc. etc. But it beats sitting on a cruise ship catching Covid! And I stop and smell the flowers (and photograph them) as I work!
"Fast is fine, Accuracy is final." - Wyatt Earp
I like a variety of subjects/topics in a podcast. I also like when you do a show on one specific area where you showcase a product
A lot has been written - especially with the upsurge in interest in long-range target shooting - about external ballistics such as the topics you cover here.
What I never see written about, however, is an aspect of internal ballistics: not the linear acceleration of the bullet, but rather the effect of rifling on the movement of the gun while the bullet is traversing the barrel. Obviously, the rifling is exerting a force on the bullet as it accelerates to the muzzle, that increases the bullet's rate of rotation (clockwise with right hand twist rifling). It's not a trivial amount of torque that's required to spin a bullet up to (for a 1:12 twist at 3,000 f/s) 180,000 RPM in a millisecond or so.
Yet often neglected is the fact of the equal and opposite torque exerted on the barrel by the bullet's inertia, which is resisting the torque being imposed by the rifling. That torque, imposed by the accelerating bullet pushing on the rifling, wants to rotate the gun along the axis of the barrel, in the opposite - eg, counterclockwise, direction. You can see the effect of this torque in slow-motion video of a rifle or handgun being fired, as the gun rotates counterclockwise and recoils backwards.
If the barrel alone were suspended freely in space, such that it was free to spin along its bore centerline - the barrel's axis - it would smoothly rotate about its bore axis, counterclockwise, at a speed proportional to its mass relative to the mass of the bullet - while the bullet would rotate clockwise within it, as it moved forward. Of course, the bullet would rotate to a much greater degree, based on the balance of forces implicit in F=MA; that is, M(barrel)*A(barrel)=M(bullet)*A(bullet) - the rotary acceleration of the much more massive barrel would be much less than the rotary acceleration of the relatively lightweight bullet. That much is obvious.
But the barrel ISN'T suspended freely in space and perfectly symmetrical in mass around the axis of the bore, spinning like a barrel clamped in a lathe; it's connected to the receiver, and the stock, and the shooter holding the forearm, and the buttstock against the shoulder and the cheek of the shooter, etc. The axis of rotation of the barrel is nowhere near the axis of rotation of the entire rifle (in this example) or pistol being held by a grip that descends below the barrel, held by a hand enclosing a magazine full of bullets.
That complicated mass is going to rotate, not around the barrel's axis, but rather about its own various axial centers of mass - which not only change from muzzle to buttstock, but which also could be further complicated - by a riflescope at some height above the bore axis, or a magazine dangling below the receiver, etc.
Any slow-motion video of a gun being fired - typically from the front of the weapon looking back at the shooter and slightly off to the side of the weapon - will show, for example, the riflescope deflecting off to the left (from the shooter's perspective), the entire rifle less so, the magazine to the right, etc. as the torque on the rifle imposed by the bullet's resistance to being spun up forces the complex distribution of masses to rotate, and move laterally off the point of aim/axis of the barrel at the moment of firing. The resulting motion flips the muzzle sideways, the whole gun pivoting around the various resistance points of mass and contact, all of which are dynamically changing as it moves in the grip of the shooter.
Each time the gun is fired, that set of resistance points and masses is going to change - a tighter grip, more pressure on the shoulder, a magazine with one less bullet's mass in it, etc. - and the motion of the gun is going to change along with it, the muzzle of the barrel taking a different pathway and "flipping" the bullet as it exits the muzzle to a greater or lesser degree, in an unpredictable direction compared to the previous shot.
All those forces - which tend to be ignored given the direct impact on the shooter's shoulder of the gun's recoil - substantially vary the placement of bullets down range for even the most carefully and consistently held firearm, yet I never see the issue discussed. I bring it up, because if we don't know that it's happening, we can't compensate for it or take it into consideration when we are preparing for a shot - for example in the way we brace a weapon prior to pulling the trigger.
Your comments on the effect of wind and rotational physics during the external ballistics portion of the bullet's flight from muzzle to target triggered this thought, so I figured I'd bring it up to try to add to the conversation. Thanks, as always, for a stimulating discussion of what makes things fly through the air and hit what we want them to.
Interesting comment. I hadn't thought of it before but makes sense.. somewhat similar to when using a drill to put in screws, it torques the screw one way and your wrist the other. Your gun will have a twisting action.. so maybe having it twist into your cheek weld would be better than twisting away feom your check? Or would the opposite be better?
@@hrmIwonder Your analogy with a hand drill is exactly the kind of reaction, with the drill the analog of the rifle/handgun and the screw the analog of the bullet. Funny thing is, once you've looked at a slow motion video of a rifle or handgun under recoil, the reactive force is obvious, and you can't "unsee" it.
Rollover combs and cheek pads are usually configured so that under recoil, the stock moves away from the shooter's cheek. That means a steep downward slope from butt to receiver, and an increasingly right offset from butt to receiver. The objective, of course, is to minimize impact on the shooter. To counter this force, you'd want the opposite; that is, to use the shooter's head and neck to stop the counterclockwise rotation of the gun. With any of the more powerful calibers, however, the consequence for the shooter might well be intolerable.
Is there an alternative solution? Perhaps. Muzzle brakes are usually designed to redirect combustion gas upward, to provide a downward moment at the muzzle to counter muzzle rise. Presumably, a brake could be configured to divert gases circumferentially, to counter the rotating moment, although the force would only act at the point of exit of the bullet - rather than throughout the period of the bullet's traversal down the barrel.
You'd think that the pistol grip of an AR would be an effective counter, too, but I've seen ARs being fired in slow motion, and they rotate, as well. It's an interesting problem.
@MrGsteele you're probably right, you probably don't want that impulse going into your head and neck.. I don't think the muzzle break would do much, since as you said, by the time it has effect, the bullet is gone. Although, as the bullet goes down the barrel, the column of air in front of it does get pushed out... so maybe use some sort of gyroscope effect. Have a weighted flywheel spinning vertically in the stock (its axis perpendicular to the parrel), it'd resist a twisting motion, not really practicall. Next big thing, benchrest with electronically and mechanically active rifles instead of passive lol. "Hold on, lemme spin up my rifle"
Nice, thorough analysis, Mr. G, but in the end perhaps more worry than necessary. I say this because, despite all the torqueing going on, our rifles routinely shoot MOA, often 1/2 MOA, sometimes 1/4 MOA, and certainly Minute of Deer in all but a few extreme cases. Meaning, for the average and ever above average shooter/hunter, torque doesn't matter! But it's good to know. I certainly see/feel torque and am rather surprised how well our rifles, scopes, and bullets perform despite it.
Thank you Ron. I like the current format. It reminds me of Elmer Keith's Gun Notes. Keep up the good work.
Well said on work vs life, Ron!
33:03 if you hunt in an area where you expect to have a 200 yard shot and you have a laser rangefinder or, for Pete’s sake, a surveyor’s chain, then you have access to a 200 yard range.
bear spray info, the exsperation date is due to reliability of the internal oring that deteriats over time and the propelent leaks out so when its go time you might not have pressure.
Ron, I have the dreaded ringing in my ears due to the adventure of my youth. When shooting, especially rifles, this is worse. If you could do a series, like the one on .308's, covering Suppressors (value, moderate and premium) and what to expect (impact of 8oz or 16 oz suppressor on light rifles) that would be great. Most of us semi old fudds would benefit from your input on how the various suppressors feel and work on the light hunting rifles. For me, I hope to add a suppressor in the next year to my Christensen Arms Mesa with a 1/2x28 threaded barrel (thinking something like the NOSLER SR-30ALTI or Banish Backcountry) with the hope it allows me to hunt honest and shoot straight more often.
Ron , thanks for bringing back memories of our youth in Scotland ,South Dakota area. Many of the kids walked beans and picked rocks or stacked bales for money for fishing & hunting equipment..I bought my first shotgun a Winchester 1200 pump with that money.at age 16.
Bingo! Did you make any $ hunting and selling jackrabbits, too?
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Yes Sir I trapped Dawson Creek leading into lake Henry. Muskrats Mink and an Occasional Raccoon . Back in the early 70's Racoons furs where around 25 bucks I picked lots of road kills .My dad said you won't get anything for that. Well maybe not prime price but 15 to 20 bucks . I bought a lot of Master Mag 22 shells at Coast to Coast.in Scotland. Only paid 1.99 for the 100 packs. Arlene Hamburger was the owner of the store. . Ivan Downer had the other hardware store that's where I bought my traps. Good memories.
You are right Ron when I was a kid people worked hard, My dad would often go to early mass Sunday morning then change into his work clothes and off to work!😊
I love them all ! I enjoy your content! Don’t matter what caliber! Thanks for the info Mr Ron !
You are most welcome, Bill.
Ron thanks for educating us old boomers. I enjoy your videos!
For the guy whose groups open when the barrel warms, what type of barrel? Did you go ultra-light with a carbon fiber? This issue seems somewhat common with those things. The fibers and the steel expand with heat at different rates, so when it warms, it tries to act like a thermostat spring.
Next thing I would look at is are you running any attachments like MLOK? Make sure your screws aren’t too long and touching things they shouldn’t.
I had always heard the Spanish had Spitzer bullets too! Also a difference in gun powder. More things to follow up.
I like the technical side of things that you get into.
I completely agree about stalking an animal to get as close as possible. Not only does it get you as close as possible for a better guarantee of hitting your target, but more importantly it shows RESPECT for the animal. Too many times a poke and hope shot results in a wounded animal and no recovery. In my youth, many years ago, it was how we actually fed the family which demanded that we get close for a one shot kill.
Distance has nothing to do with making a good shot or being respectful of your game. Preparation and practice is key he respect, I’m not going to take a 300 yard shot and hope it goes where I want it to, I’m going to be sure of where exactly my bullet is going before I pull the trigger not after. And there’s never a guarantee not even a better one, if the animal is going to jump and make you kiss it doesn’t matter how close you are.
Do a show about pistol calibers in rifles.. 32 Winchester special vs the new calibers that they compare to the 30-30.
Hey Kentucky Ken, I have an older BAR and i run a 4-12x40 and the medium height works well. The only problem is the sunshade on my scope nearly touches the rear sight. I think your 3-9x should be fine.
That guy with the accuracy problem with the 7mm Rem Mag: Magnum calibers tend to get copper fouled quicker than nonmagnum calibers. When one buys a good used magnum like a Rem. Model 700, it is very important to use a good/proven copper solvent like Sweets 7.62 (paying VERY close attention to solvent directions) and remove all copper build-up in the grooves and lands. Your "average" hunter, using a mag. hunting rifle, usually does not clean the barrel according to competition standards with a good COPPER SOLVENT.
To say again: With MAGNUM RIFLES, belted or unbelted, you need to use a good COPPER SOLVENT because copper fouling builds up quicker in mag. calibers than non magnum ones.
If you let that copper fouling build up, even if your shooting technique is "perfect," your pattern could resemble a 12 gauge #8 shot pattern at 50 yards or more.....Just an extra thought Ron.
Your other check points are spot-on. After hitting those points, including trigger pull weight; NOTE: ( YOU CAN NOT GET SURGICAL ACCURACY WITH AN 8 POUND TRIGGER! Your lips will turn blue and you'll nearly pass out before that 8 lb abomination breaks); again, clean the barrel of ALL COPPER FOULING. If that doesn't do it, REPLACE THE BARREL, it could very well be shot-out past the accuracy point. The other sad point: Magnum barrels do not maintain sub moa accuracy as long as non magnum ones. That's due to higher bullet velocities, higher temps., pressures, and bullet to barrel friction coefficients.
Part of the reason for Spindrift has to do with the fact that when you fire around and it is at an upward angle as it comes down to gravity it doesn't change that bullet from staying pointed upward and as there's an effect on the bullet that spinning, if it's spinning to the right it will tend to turn to the right as there's pressure on the bullet to align itself with going forward. That's called gyroscopic progression. If it's spinning to the left it will do the same thing only it will turn to the left. And it's exacerbated by the fact that it's spinning and the rifling marks actually will paddle and climb that bullet in the direction of its spin. Because the more stabilized pressure is behind the bullet, not in front of the bullet. Especially when it's going at supersonic speeds, and like a 308 when it gets to about 700 yards becomes transonic and the effect is even greater after that. At least as far as the wind, and the effect on the air is concerned.
The tedfield scope was a tank BUTfor one small screw bottom rear. Bet thats what he has on the m70 / 7mag😮
Hi Ron they can also video there shooting technique over a string of rounds that might help your shooting .
If you really care about velocity and hitting the right accuracy node in a 7, there’s only one option to go to. It’s getting a 28 Nosler and reloading, he cheapest rifles I can find are 900-1100, but if you’re going for perfection it can cost a few extra hundred dollars.
Great Shows
Hi Ron, I wondered about spin drift. I use a laser boresight at 25yds. Then I take it to 100yds for zero confirmation. With my last 6.5creedmoor, I noticed that after laser boresighting at 25 yards at a hundred the point of impact was 3 MOA right of the point of aim. I wondered if the drift was due to the rifling as I had heard from forums. After hearing your podcast, I now wonder why there was that much difference. It didn't matter to me much, I just made the correction adjusted my zero, and called it a day. But I still wonder what caused this.
Could also be barrel harmonics.
The beuro of ordinanc was particularly behind in 92/ 98when using krags.(1) issued krags with a rear sight preventing witdrawel from scabards. Really. (2) they ran a ridiculous heavy bullet220grain.(3) krags have TWO locking lugs. Ordinance fit only one to reciever. 98 models mostly fit both( ordinance fially dumped krags looking ( it is said) for a 150 g / 2700.good my krag does it.
It sounds like your viewer with the 7mm rem mag is having heat related issues as he mentions that he needs to wait for the rifle to cool before the accuracy comes back and I don’t think a loose or broken scope would be affected in that way and maybe not even loose bedding. If the barrel isn’t floated from the stock, or even not in consistent contact that could certainly explain the problem. If it’s a wood stock, those can change a little over time or with humidity changes. I’d suggest doing the dollar bill test and repeat that when the barrel is hot. Of course, if he hasn’t got any dollar bills left, a piece of paper should do just fine.
Little story about wind....
One year when I was shooting the national matches at Camp Perry, The wind at the firing line flag was blowing left to right, And the flags at the six hundred yard line we're blowing right to left. The wind can get weird off of Lake Erie.
Hi Ron, so I don't have a 7mm rifle in any type of 7mm, -08, PRC, Rem Mag etc...
So my question is, since I don't have one yet, should I consider the 7mmPRC?
I really want a 7mm and if I already had the 7mm Rem Mag that would be sufficient, but since I don't, I am really kind of Interested in the 7mm PRC. What's your opinion? Thank you!
Ron, yes please keep doin what you doin. And anytime you dissinimate info on the Nobel.30-06 I am interested. Have been following your writing and now pods since the mid 70's. And yes, I still havecmy ol rem 700 in .30-06. One of if not the most versatile cartridge in the world.
Keep it up sir.
Trouble is Ron, Spindrift is something else altogether ! ask a Yachtsman!!
Is spin drift different in southern hemisphere vs northern hemisphere
Please keep the podcast random topics. Id also enjoy you reading more of your stories. Great advice for the commentator of the week, some close calls caused me to focus more on enjoying my time on this earth versus gaining material things. I gotta constantly remind myself of my choice and focus but it's not failed me yet.
fine presentation
I'm an old school paratrooper too, and I agree with the other old school paratrooper.
31 mins. Sorry Ron; yes you do. 😁😁👍
Bit cheeky Ron! There’s no unsigned version available on your site.
Havent watched all the way through yet but what if your hunting in southern hemisphere vs northern hemisphere would that effect which way you should spin your bullet?
No.
No sir, but would change the direction of the Coriolis Effect, which is not a force, but the result of the Earth's surface spinning at a faster rate toward the equator, slower rate nearer the poles.
When people ask about checking zero at a short range of 25 yards or so, the height of the scope centerline above the bore is very important. The answer varies, for example if someone is using high scope rings and a 34mm tube scope vs lower rings with a 1" tube.
Excellent point, sir!
Hi Ron,
The Creedmore advertises it's long bullet, high BC "advantage" over the 260 Rem. with its faster twist, sharper angled shoulder, longer neck and shorter case; the CM's added room for bullets above the body is supposed to allow longer bullets; uhh, ok? What's the advantage over the 260 Rem. when the 260 has more capacity to allow a little intrusion of those same bullets into the body-shoulder junction?
The CM's small rifle primers allow slightly more pressure; but still, this makes the smaller powder capacity than the 260 Rem. a wash in muzzle velocity, at the expense of slightly more throat erosion with its higher pressures, so what good are small rifle primers? I haven't seen any data of their superiority over large rifle primers.
I never believed the Creedmore hype and rebarreled my '82 Ruger M-77 Tang Safety with a 26" PacNor, chrome moly, polygonal rifled, palma contoured, 1-8 twist 260AI. Take that, CM hype!😄
One more thing, try resizing some of the millions of spent 308 win. cases into 6.5 CM like you can with the 260 Rem.
Well the 6.5 Creed more absolutely does have some advantages like tighter chamber tolerances and it is designed from the ground up to run 140+ grain .260 bullets. It’s simply the 260 Remington of the modern era. You buy a cheap 6.5 CM hunting rifle and more often than not it will shoot everything fairly well. You cant say the same about the .260 Remington. O yah I almost forgot that you can find factory ammo everywhere.
Ron?
Looks like you’re gonna have to do a show on the 6.5CM -v- 260 Rem. in Savage 110.
Hand load to each of their barrel optimums and shoot both concurrently.
Ron I have a per 69 rem 700 custom deluxe 7mm mag I got from sporting good went by store few years later dealer ask if I would sell back I said still using he had some on shelf he said wasn't the same he said mine had the black from barrel did they make them I know it shoots a three shot group inside a dime at 100yard and it does lot of damage more than some newer ones
Good stuff.
Mean Point Blank Range is very important is you can't sight at 100 or 200 yards. But you need to have every possible point of information to feed the ballistic calculator. Take that, and verify everything. If it's off, feed all the info in again with a longer shot which will make it more accurate
Spin drift, on average, will be about 1/2 moa at 600 yards and 3/4 - 1 moa at 1,000 yards.
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@@roddecker1900 Check out any of the Bryan Litz books. Excellent resources. Some of them are on Kindle Unlimited.
I don’t know if you know that water goes down the plug hole in different directions in the Northern and the Southern Hemispheres. Does it make a difference in rifling?
Shure like your stores🤙
Ron, your discussion of holdover prompted two thoughts -- ONE, the story of taking out an Iraqi sniper by a Marine scout sniper in Fallujah in '04.1300 yards, the marine had to shift 12 feet left for windage, and 12 feet of holdover. The Iraqi took a center mass shot. Still the record for 7.62x51.
TWO, there's a small difference between .223 and 5.56; is there a similar difference between ,308 and 7.62x51?
Thanks, m'friend.
The difference between 223 and 5.56 is mostly in the throating reamer. The standard spec for 223 is for a shorter and narrower throat. They are also operate at different max average pressures, but the pressures are measured in different places in the two cartridges.
There is no distinction in the way a 308 and 7.62 are chambered, nor in their pressure.
Ringo, Jason here answers this perfectly. Thanks Jason.
@@jasonshults368 The USMC (and Army) trained Snipers do not use the 5.56mm coyote cartridge. Marines and U.S. Army snipers (that graduated from Sniper School) use the 7.62mm x61 (a .30 cal. bullet) NATO cartridge, same one as used in the M-14 rifle.
When you're shooting a 44 Marlin you get used to to holding over or I called it wind and elevation.
You were talking about the crown of the barrel being bad, quit sticking your barrel in the floor.
I've been sprayed with pepper spray before and it only made me matter so instead of just giving them a wipping they got whopping...
I would love you do a whole segment on the fantastic sevens
I would try to find out if the barrel is shot out , doesn't take much in a 7mm Rem mag, only got 1200rounds out of my first barrel.
Six minutes in and I'm already digging this video. Do people really not know/understand 'wind'?
Thanks Swampy. Yes, many new or casual shooters do not understand the physics of wind, gravity, bullets, yaw, precession, spin drift, wind deflection, Coriolis effect, etc. I knew none of it until I began studying and there is much I still do not know! The ballistic weeds get pretty thick and deep when you really dive in.
If you're doing 30-06 week you got to talk about m1 grand and its predecessor the 1917 in field
We have a whole show on the Garand and the Springfield 03. Coming soon.
I can’t believe u haven’t shot a tikka rifle. I’m not rich. That is the best rifle u can buy for the buck. U should try the tikka out. I’d love to see your opinion for that medium priced gun.
Will do that soon, Triple.
Hey Ron Kirby from MJ SASK Canada,I love your videos and have learned tons from you.I got some hate mail regarding a comment I made about shooting into wood awhile back not sure if it was a viewer or someone from your team,I'm hoping it wasn;t the latter I just needed to comment as I spend a lot of my personal time to watch your videos brother......
Kirby, we do not send hate mail. I treat all commenters with respect, trying to understand where the commenter is "coming from." If comments appear to be nonsense, vitriol, or troll sourced, I ignore.
Pre 64 really applys to all Winchester Firearms to some extent As there entire line changed.If am no mistaken.
They went to different metals from steel to alloys for receivers on the 94s n others.
People simply didnt care for such n the other changes made to the M70 you touched on.
However It sold n more PFs M70 were made than the Pre 64. Its actually a better designed extractor n also 3 rings of steel of the 700 line.
I like em n have pre post early post mid n late post PF had Classics wish still did,post New Havens n finaly got the CRPF in 06 ..
Carry on Sir
They swapped from steel, machined properly, to sintered metal, basically powdered steel, I'm talking about the model 94, not sure about other models.
Check torque on action screws. Run a dollar bill between the barrel and stock. If I catches the stock is putting uneven pressure on the barrel and throwing harmonics off. Check scope screws make sure they are properly torqued and aren't bound
Good show.
Ron, I need you to explain something!!! This 1000ft pounds of energy from a rifle to effectively kill whitetail. I call BS!! I've heard this several times from you and other writers and lol professionals. Here is my reasoning. Not too long ago, I watched you test a 10mm handgun you were going to take on a whitetail hunt. Which if I'm not mistaken, it has, on average, 570Ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. Now, doing the math that's 350-foot lbs at 75 yards and getting a complete pass thru. So why does everyone say you have to have 1000ft-lbs ?? I personally say 650ft lbs or more. please explain why and how yall come up with 1000ft lbs??
Lyle, I often mention the widely accepted 1,000 f-p energy "standard" because it's sort of an accepted benchmark minimum many Fish & Game depts. use to establish legal deer cartridges. But I also often say I do not subscribe to this standard simply because energy doesn't kill. Hemorrhaging does. A projectile --whether bullet, arrow, spear, knife -- needs only enough energy to reach and cut/tear arteries and/or cardio pulmonary organs or the central nervous system. Can be done to deer with a 22 Short. But such "weak" cartridges increase the likelihood of hit but unrecovered animals. Higher energy cartridges increase wound damage and potential game recovery significantly, thus a minimum "standard." But, make no mistake, a bullet with 200 f-p energy properly placed in the heart/lungs/brain will terminate a deer and even (so the story goes) an elephant.
On the 7mm not grouping HELP ??.. Well Said n Covered..
Just the grooves in the bullet after it leaves the rifle grabs air. Just like a foot ball. Yah and air behind it is all to much info. I start seeing twist rate past 700. 800 i get almost 5 inches of spin drift
Holdover . . . call it Kentucky elevation vs. Kentucky windage.
Great show. You might think of adding a bright light that mounts on SHF or bear guns. I heard poeple using Laser sights to help aim also. Keep up good work thank you
* The trouble with laser sights is the possibility of brush, etc. blocking the laser from imprinting on the animal.
Wow, I'm watching this "reading the mail" and and these questions are so basic I have to wonder about the experience level of your audience? To your credit, you handle these questions with grace & I respect your good humor while responding to these entry level questions. I am sure you know a thing or two because you are a fellow Ackley fan. I have been saying for years that the 22-250Ackley Improved deserves factory chamberings. I own two, BTW. It is my opinion that it is a good thing that Ackley users must be handloaders, I am a firm believer that all centerfire rifle shooters should be handloaders because they usually know what they are talking about and seldom ask these entry level questions. I enjoy your channel, and wish you continued success.
My Sako 90 in 7mmRm would be my "If you could only have one" rifle.
Lord Thunderin' is it accurate. Nothing to do with me. It's all the rifle.
I have retinopathy depending on the day I can’t see iron sights well enough to be accurate but I can see a red dot on my worst day and as for speed when my eyes were good I shot pistol drills for speed on a timer and couldn’t see a discernible difference between irons and a red dot
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This is why you want a 7mm PRC period 🙂
I don't. I have a fast-twist 270, a 7 WSM, a 300 SAUM. All of these do just great way farther out than I am willing to shoot.
@@jasonshults368 Sorry last day of the moose hunt and I see a bull 5-600 yards it will be going down I want the meat!! That is why I bought a 7mm PCR and a good scope!!! cost me too much money not to take the shot 🙂
@@thegrantdanielsbandthat's an odd comment to make considering from 600 yards and in, the 7 PRC is at a disadvantage to a number of cartridges due to it's lack of options of commercial ammunition with bullets optimized for those ranges and not all that much for reloading data as well.
You should probably rewatch the video and note that he says you really have to go to long range to see any advantage of the 7PRC over the 7mm Rem Mag.
@@theleo91386 Odd? not really the hunting bullets for the 7mm PRC are more than adequate and far beyond at those ranges than the 7 Rem?? Give me the 7mm PRC any day than those flipping bullets!! these modern bullets fly true look it up 🙂
@@thegrantdanielsband Keep crying. You are wrong. That's ok.
Why are so many people chasing High BC ? rom what I can see unless you're shooting at least 500 yds You can't tell the difference. And honestly, if you're shooting a thousand yards, you've already got 10 ft of hold over with that super high BC bullet. What's another 5 or 6 ft???? I would think knowing your drops would be much more important than having a super high VC, but that's just me.
Its more about wind. Their can be slopes that have different crosswinds. Without data at each point, it’s hard to be 100% even with an average. Wind speed. and bc minimizes all of the drifts
@@allthingsconsidered3211 what time of day do you see deer and elk???? In my experience I see them in the morning and just before dark and those times of the day I don't have wind..... Every shot over 100 yds I've ever made, there simply was no wind but I've only killed, well, I've lost track of how many deer and elk I have killed, but again that's just me. Every long shot I ever make I know my drops, I hold over. I drop the bullet in, and I'm eating back strap for dinner. (I do understand your mileage may vary).
@@jwdundon it’s windy in wyoming. That’s awesome youve gotten so many you’ve lost count. Hope you are blessed in the years to come too, Happy hunting
@@jwdundon yes I see them at the same time. They are usually bedded down unless theirs a light snow.
Even if I'm not shooting WAAAAY over there, high bc bullets retain more energy which means less chance the animal runs off. Also, I adjust less meaning I don't have to hold way off into space saying "yeah that looks about right!" Bc I just hold on the spine and nail the vitals out to as far as I'm willing to shoot. Wind blows the bullet less so I have more time to make the shot bc the bullet isn't going a mile off to the left bc of a breeze. The fact that the bullets look super cool also doesn't hurt lol!
You can work your whole life chasing dollars and never live.i work very hard .went to work full time at 13.immediatly after high-school I received a great promotion and was placed on salary 7 to6 6 days a week.sun with my small family . nowadays I play hard.my son died prematurely and I woke up.he was successful also and we did a few vacations. But we never hunted together. Too late now.take your kids outdoors
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Colorado almost banned 7mm because it was known as a wound only round. More getaways wounded with a 7mm than with a 30 cal.
I doubt any reliable data is available for any such claim, some moron politician putting forth an idea because a donor told him it’s a good idea is not proof of anything valuable.
The only way I could even fathom this being true is if it’s due to a higher usage by young or inexperienced shooters due to the lesser recoil than larger calibers.
To insinuate however, that 7mm isn’t just as capable of killing anything in North America, and an argument could be made for the planet, than 30 caliber is laughable at best, and I’m sure you don’t even believe that.
Projectiles spin in the same direction as the twist. There, no podcast needed.
no kidding
7mm rem mag can be very accurate. Not going to waste time on a clickbait video
Bye Karen
@@Honkers716 lol. Bye felicia
I critique the hell out of Ron, but you didn't even spend the time to listen to what Ron said. If you had you would have learned something, go back, listen to the question and listen to Ron's answer and then delete your comment because you sir are a certified idiot...
Looks like you just did
What an ignorant stance. Thankfully the community will be better off without your arrogance.
One suggestion, can we get just maybe three more commercials in the next video lol
We'll see if You Tube hears you, Albo.