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“Most employers only pay enough so most employees don’t quit. Most employees only work hard enough not to get fired.” Movie suicide kings
and most company stock owners sit on their fat asses at home and collect free capital gains at 15% tax rate. touche'
@@TheLinuxYes but I like the stonk
@@corruptedzero9619 beats working for a living.
@@TheLinuxYes the fact that most people think nothing wrong with this is actually scary
@@Nerobyrne the big business owned news media plus underfunded public schools keeps the murcan sheeple ignorant and misinformed.
Just like their Owners prefer.
Listen to this dude, I used to be contracted to do 40 hours and it was nearly frowned on to do 40 and go home. I'd do 50-60 a week excl commute with little or no breaks and 5 mins for lunch. You slowly but surely burn out. And the erosion of your personal time makes you lose the will to live as long hours of work becomes the norm -its expected and underappreciated. Dont do it.
I work in health care 40 hours in 3 days ,4 days off it is really appreciated if u can do this ure bosses see u as having a good work life balance and ure happier and it leaves the overtime for those who really need it . 4 days off is fantastic and should be the norm
Did they pay you for the extra hours??
I bet the guys who frowned upon you only doing 40 hours did less than 40
@@janityy It’s not for everybody. You’re doing the same amount of hours and often are hammered the whole time you’re working. I much prefer the 9 to 5 to 3 on 4 off. I had a lady say to me, who didn’t work at all mind you, “Do you still only work 3 days a week?” Go screw yourself, lady.
I found a job and after 1 day she gave me the contract where i get much less pay, there's no extra pay and everything is shit tbh
Im looking for something else already 😂
Yup
Work 8 hours a day and get your job done: Good
Work 8 hours a day but get nothing done: "If it continues like this im gonna have to let you go. I pay you because you produce someting.
Work 3 hours and get your job done: "Great, then you can start this next thing. I pay you for the hours you put in after all"
That's how it works. You are paid for your time. I don't see why everyone is crying about this.
@@mydadletsmeshootatcats6754 you literally cant read comprehensively..
@@goblino3494 Most job contracts specify working hours. I don't see what the big deal is.
That's when people learn how to milk the work, do the job, but stretch it out till the 8 hours are up.
@@mydadletsmeshootatcats6754 its ok. Not everyone can do jobs beyond manual labour. Most people will be just fine working 9-5 and some smarter ones will game the system. Id preffer a better world though.
Don't spend your best hours working for the company. Spend it building something for you that gonna benefit you later.
you are an internet meme
Yes
The greatest sweet words of wisdom for the internet economy
That “presenteeism” is very prevalent in corporate jobs: ppl look like they’re working hard by just sitting at their desks the longest. I’ve seen the most useless people do that and the boss thinks they’re the best.
They know how to play the game...
I wouldn't even blame them for doing that. They are a product of the environment
My father told me that my goal should be to start a business and work. Work until you do not have to work anymore and try to reach it before you turn 40.
That's kind of like my plan. Then I'll use the money to help people.
Your father is 100% right.
Yes your father is right. At this day and age, practically anyone can start their own business and work for themselves if they have a good pitch/idea and are motivated enough to learn basic business strategies
thats the idea man
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Of course your father would tell you that; that's what all typical parents say. They're from a generation that was told we only exist to work and serve the corporate empire. 🤪
"We need you to work more hours"
"Great, I need you to pay me more hours"
"Wait hold up ..."
Lol
So true
Don’t they pay you more with overtime? Unless you’re salary, which requires you to agree upon that.
@@sheepymiix I'm pretty sure they're legally required to pay more for overtime.
But of course greedy bosses try to get around that.
All you have to do is not let them.
That's why I don't work salary jobs
My last employer finally let us work remotely due to the pandemic. I'm the type that gets 8 hours worth of assigned work done in 2. I got a call from my (douchebag) boss, he's like "hey so I noticed your VPN is only active like 3 hours a day so I cut it off. I expect you to be in the office 8-5 starting tomorrow"
I was like "is something not getting done?"
"no but you need to be active for 8 hours a day"
"fuck you I quit"
Now I'm self employed and life has never been better lmao.
What level of mental illness is this? Wtf
@@Viper4ever05 LOL
I'm the same. I LOVE working remote! When I'm at the office I keep asking for more work, but I never have work for more than 20 hours a week. I rather spend those remaining 20 hours a week at home doing nothing, then at the office doing nothing.
Make sure you never signed any noncompetive contracts so they donot sue you into oblivion .
That's so stupid. He wanted you to work the full day, even though you were getting your work done in less time? What's the point? You still did everything you were supposed to.
One thing I've enjoyed from this working from home is that I am goal focused rather than time focused. At the beginning of the day I set my goals, when I reach them, I'm done. Since I am a responsible adult, I set appropriate goals.
I solve most of my problems during my sleep and implement them the next morning. I should bill my sleep.
Same here! The day is for implementing solutions that sleep made for me, and for assessing new problems. The night is for problemsolving by sleeping.
Of course I think on / analyse problems to the limit of my knowledge during the day, but the night is when the boundary is pushed.
Why does it happen?
@@dityadion249 Because when you sleep your brain sifts through information and determines what is useful, and what is not. And, through that, it tries to figure out problems to further increase your survivability and decrease the need to exert more will power when awake. (I tried to fart out an explanation. So, research more and take what said with a grain of salt.)
@@Hyperdonic2
Well, it organizes the information, so that it's faster and more accurate to access and so there's less conflicts to bog everything down. Basically, it's streamlining.
You will be an awesome lawyer haha!!!
i've been working from home and finished all my stuff in a few hours. the rest of the day i spent watching youtube and playing games.
Same here. I was initially surprised to find that I can accomplish in 2 hours what I'm typically expected to do in 8 hours during 'normal' times. I make no apologies.
My work is good and submitted on time. Frankly, I'm grateful to be able to still be employed while working remotely, but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit at my desk for 8 straight hours. #DoomEternal
@@David-bl6wm Same goes with school syllabus. I was able to complete the syllabus worth of 2 years in just 2 months just because I went really hardcore.
so....no side hustle? just burning your life until payday when you.....go watch more yt and games?
how will you advance yourself without the yoke of corporate?
well most bosses like to keep checking up on you. so they like to keep the workload consistent.
@@FractalPrism. well yeah. i don't do side hustles. thankfully i don't really need them.
This is so true man. Numerous times I've found myself at the end of the day with what feels like a big problem to solve. I stare at the code but it just doesn't make sense, it seems insurmountable, I don't make much progress at all. Then I come back to it the next morning, refreshed and ready, and solve it in casually in 30 minutes without really even having to think about it, the solution is suddenly obvious. Getting this extra time at home has made this painfully obvious that those last few hours of the day are rarely useful for anything. All my good productivity happens much earlier, after that, it's totally diminishing returns.
well, when you are so "focused" you lose your broader vision. taking a break helps you relax and reset.
It's especially funny when you have meetings from 9:45 to 13, then you take a lunch break and afterwards you're just burnt out already before writing a single line of code
While you stare at the code, the brain is processing, even if you don't get the answer. When you leave and relax, the brain is still processing but in a different way.
Yes! I am a technical writer and it's basically the same. I sit and stare at my computer unable to think of a way to explain something. The next day I open my document and it's done in like 30 min
I just got hired at a digital marketing agency and due to COVID were all remote right now. My training has been completely remote and I love it I don’t think I could ever go back to working in office full time 😱
Fight for remote work when Covid is done. Show that you were more productive at home and how you don't need to be managed.
@@Bladeofwar94 were all permanently remote now 😃
@@theamethyst93 I need advice
I like a 3-4 day remote, 1-2 office day split
@@theamethyst93 I'm looking for a job!
You can be a better employee by being lazy and friends with the boss while actual hard workers just get exploited and treated like dirt.
My hours have almost doubled because my PM and POs want 4 meetings every day, on top of our regular meetings, daily reports, and constant slack check-ins. My team is going from highly productive 4-5 hour days (3-4 hours for lunch, playing games, and shooting the shit) to highly unproductive 12 hour days (and that is of straight work related activities) all because our managers are bored and don't know how to use their time out of the office. We fucking hate it so much and developers have worked remote Thursdays and Fridays for 2 years! I assumed this would be a piece of cake, but you know what they say if you assume....
4 meetings a day is absurd. There should only be 2 meetings at most. One 5 minute meeting at the start of the day for any priority issues, and then 10-30 minute meeting to discuss what's been done, still needs fixing, suggestions, etc. These managers are f**king useless time wasters who suck away time and money to make themselves feel important.
Couldn't agree more with what is said here. It is almost as if we are being paid to sit around and waste our life away. I get it, if we are working for someone else we should spend time building their business, but I can get my best hours of performance out in 3-4 hours. After that and I feel that I am being forced to stay at work. In addition, it is almost as if we are getting paid to give up on our dreams, the 40 hour work week is designed as such. Go to work, spend the best energy of your day on something else you will never own, then go home super drained and try to make it through the night. Then repeat, over and over again. That is why entrepreneurs who *look* *for* *meaning* *and* *more* *then* *a* *paycheck* spend hundreds if not thousands of hours building something *they* *believe* *in* . I can say the same thing for myself being a small but growing entrepreneur. Its not easy, but easily well worth it.
@@CT-yc4gd Hey C T, thanks for reaching out. I do agree that entrepreneurship is much riskers, and that is where the individual will have to asses what is worth the risk - staying at the same job and never trying, or giving all they got and see where life takes them. While taking a risk can be financially unstable, one could still work part time and/or reduce their operating costs to reduce risk even more. Just a few thoughts =)
I hate life because of that
@@tekiero Most people are not aware that they are drifting in life and in the rat race. But because you have this knowledge, you can take action to change it. You can build a business to start your journey. I would recommend learning more about real estate as you can develop passive income, which will continue to generate money even if you don't feel like working on any particular day. Obviously this requires early planning and capitol funds, though I do believe that if you set your mind on it and make continuous strides (learning, become involved, increase savings, etc.), you *will* eventually reach your goals. Stay positive and if there is anything to remember, *do* *not* *give* *up* .
Sometimes you need to know when to give up on something, to change what direction you’re going in. Broadening your acceptable ends allows you to take opportunities in directions you may not consider normally. Many people try one dream that wont happen and ended up finding one that did work out.
@@hayuseen6683 I think what you are saying is also good to keep in mind. If profit loss is too great, making a transition is also a skillset in itself. Thanks for sharing!
I'm a tradesman, nevertheless I get a heck of a lot out of your videos, Josh: keep doing this!
Favourite parts of this video: "work on your side-hustle, don't play games"; and, "use the best part your day to better yourself."
1. Great motivation! (I do have a ton of possible side-hustle to get started on)
2. Yes, the best part of the day (for me, at least) should be reserved for God. I'm not saying everyone should do the same, only that I am at my best when I have spent time with my Creator before I start anything else.
Josh, I have watched your cult videos, and you are correct. What you grew up in was not a Christian group.
I can only pray you will continue to be healed from that sickening experience.
When I got my first job as a civil engineer i really didn't ask them about the working hours, cause i thought it would be a 9to5 job but i ended up working for 81hours a week and u can't even imagine how much low i was getting paid, first i thought that's how this field works and then the lockdown happened and i left.
That was the best decision of my life.
81 hours a week? Fuck thats insane and not healthy
I left the civil industry for good,
cause every where the conditions were almost same.
In my country every private sector has this story people work over time without pay, because if they say no they will get fired.
Bosses will say you are less productive so goodbye.
I can say it happens in many parts of the world.
Some guy gets super rich while others suffer for basic necessities.
Only way i see to overcome this exploitation is that everyone should start working as freelancer.
Say your price and let everyone decide unanimously that they dont quote lower than a certain amount no matter their experience based on their field, country and city basic expenses.Its not a impossible thing to achieve in this era of internet.
We just need to wake up and act.
Otherwise suffer.
81 hours isnt healthy period. Fuxking elon and his 105 hour mantra, you're a fool if you think being a workaholic would make you happy.
Joshua : "There is no job security." Me as a french person: "Oh, that's one of these american things"
Hey Frenchy, your near 25% unemployment rate is calling, and you're welcome. By the way, don't bother with official statistics, their a joke. I know you're people. I've never met a hard working Frenchman that didn't feel total contempt for his compatriots.
@@NickMart1985 Last I checked 8% unemployment, know your France facts xD. That value didn't change very much with the pandemic btw because of generous government aids. I'm a quite hard working frenchman, I left college with two finance degrees (and zero debt), if I have healthcare problems I don't die for a lack of money and I have absolutely no problem paying my taxes.
Now you know at least one frenchman that doesn't feel total contempt for his compatriots! But I definetly wouldn't say France is a perfect country and wouldn't dare to conceive that french people are all awesome, FAR FROM THAT. I'm more of a nuanced person and don't think in extremes. The USA system is extreme, and extremes aren't good.
@@thomasb.5643 Your entire first paragraph is an extreme stereotype. People in the US aren't dying from "lack of money" for healthcare. Thats a lie.
@@NickMart1985 they're*
@@yousufleads grow up.
I swear only worked 2.3 hrs today. Yet, I was highly productive. Mind you that (2.3hrs) was for my Job.... All the other hours are spent building the side hustle..... Never work more hours for a company than for yourself.... 20% - Company time 80%- Your time and side hustles.
I fw you for this-my personal projects take precedent over the company work quite often
During WW2 there was a study on productivity.After 8 hours productivity went down.
I worked 9 hours last week and that last hour was brutal.
I feel your pain.
@philip Trevor gotta keep the slaves preoccupied. Wouldn't want any wrong think
@Meme Kingpin same dude
@Meme Kingpin what you do the other 6 hours
Can you say it a little louder so the folks in the back can hear?
Statistically you only "work" 3 hours of an 8 hour day. The rest of the day isn't really used.
Skyler Andrus , try that in the oilfield. Ain’t no cushy sit on your backside and look busy world out here. When they say 12 hour shifts, it’s a hard 12 hours. Same for truckers. Someone has to get the job done.
Nathan S, lol
@@thundervalley9766 You misunderstand. This isn't to say you are incapable of working the entire day. Simply that your efficiency and efficacy are greatly diminished during the rest of the day by comparison. A wise management system works around this fact and tries to optimize this time so you don't have any meetings or interruptions during this period. With Physical labor this is not really as impactful as most of it doesn't require a high amount of mental focus. But in situations that require hyper awareness your not going to be able to maintain that state all day long.
Thusly someone working remote, if able to optimize their work, could complete 8 hours of work in 3 hrs.
Skyler Andrus, I understand what you are trying to say, but I can give my job as a for instance. I read gas and oil wells. That is to say, I predict what is happening miles under my feet by the readings I get at the surface. They call me when the wells no longer flow. I must formulate, and execute a plan based on what I think will make them flow. I am both labor, and planner of the operation. When I’m on site I’m in charge. Safety of personnel, then execution of my plan. I cannot afford mistakes, they could cost me or someone else their life. I usually work in 12 hour shifts with lunch and a few other breaks. No slack, or diminished efficiency time for me. I cannot afford the risk of slacking. I know my job is way different than yours, and I am sure several others are too. Just thought I’d share so you could compare.
@@thundervalley9766 no one told you to pick one of the worst jobs bc you wanna be paid more than most Americans. Quit complaining. You make more money then most of us. DONT like it? Leave but you won’t so stfu
Where I work working overtime is actually frowned upon. Working extra from home etc is discouraged. If you can't get the job done in 40 hours maybe you're not the man for the job.
I honestly work 3 to 4 hours in an 8 hour shift. I get what needs to get done proficiently and quickly. The rest of the time I try to research something towards additional certs and whatnot. I managed to get my CSP cert and now working towards my CIH so I can start my own health and safety consultation company. Want to work for myself eventually. Some weeks are slow though and I have almost no work to do but I'm still paid hourly. Makes me feel guilty even though its no fault of my own.
Never feel guilty
@@jeffshackleford3152 Im doing my best not to. Especially since it seems most people work like I do anyways. The 8 hr work day never made all that much sense to me for moat industries.
After the labor movement helped us to win the 40 hour work week as a society (down from whatever hours the employer wanted in the factories), productivity was increasing exponentially, wages were rising, and people in the 1950s through the early 1970s thought we would continue to diminish work hours - full time at 25 hours or less! Its funny how we work an average of 47 hours a week now despite the massive rise in productivity. Its almost like after unions lost their teeth in the 1970s and companies were allowed to outsource, we have regressed. It seems like a great time to update our labor laws from those using examples of physical telephone operators and take back our time. Good video, Josh. Seems like u have the philosophy of Mills, but u should check out the move to cooperatives too :)
This is what I kept preaching at my last job. We would work 48-52 hours a week, but nothing really got done. Everyone there knew we were stuck with these hours, so why rush? You would walk through the factory and constantly see people just standing around bullshitting, but as long as they LOOKED busy, the bosses were happy.
Yes ! It's so hard to be motivated when you have the same amount of work day after day with no reward. I'm trying to buy a house right now, and I would FOR SURE be picking up all the extra work if I got paid extra to do it
I'm always sick of this corporate gossip bs..it pisses me off
I work "40 hours" but honestly it's usually more like 30-35 and I get just as much done.
I would say that how many meetings and how they are spaced out has alot more impact than hours worked on productivity. If I have 3 30 minuite meetings in a day I'm not getting anything done development-wise unless they are more or less back to back. Those short little 30 minuite breaks aren't enough for me to actually get into the mindset needed to make meaningful progress.
Oh wow, that is a lot of meetings. I would be curious to know: do you think they are all needed or organised?
Personally ive found i need a good 3 hour chunk to actually do some work. One hour to prepare and research, one hour to build a test/early sample of the work and then the last hour refining it and making it better and more efficient. so days where i have loads of meetings i just write off productivity wise
Jean Allaire i mean, I know some jobs require more meetings. But if your job is not to sit in a meeting, 3hour per day is way too much, at least to me 🤷♀️.
Most meetings could be written on slack or teams. If you think all the meetings you attend are necessary and organised, then it’s your job so your opinion.
These meetings take developers out of the mindset they need to be creative and problem solve. The more a person talks, the more useless they tend to be. And meetings are nothing but talking.
I'm In health care I work 40 hours in 3 days and 4 days off its a real nice work life balance and I can leave the overtime for those who need it more . So I'm off about 16 days a month I feel it works the best for me and I'm more productive
The notes is key. Everyone should keep notes on the work they complete regardless if they work at home or not. With those notes you can argue that you're working effectively, as Josh mentioned, or if the company is being irrational argue that the work given wasn't achievable in the planned time.
Best manager l ever had was a guy that knew when he had to get out of our way. He was only interested in output, not in hours worked. Asked more often what he could do for us than whether or not we were done. Loved that guy. And guess what? We were super motivated to hit our deadlines.
I have lost track of how many programming problems I have solved while showering! But I can say, 100% sure, that I got paid 0 dollars for those hours. Just saying....
Work smarter not harder is definitely a powerful message. That being said, especially in roles like vendor management, sometimes you just need the extra quiet hours to get stuff done.
Sometimes distractions are a reality of your work environment, no matter how efficient you are at your task.
"work smarter not harder" is only half right. People that are succesfull are doing both. there is a reason people like elon musk, bill gates etc are so successful. they dedicate all their time into it.
it's all about work ethic. and no it's not about wasting your life. because that's a personal thing. if you want to have a high ecological/sociological status then that's your choice.
@@techno0suck3r We are talking about two different things. I was talking about efficiency, you are talking about work ethic. To your point, successful people have mastery of both.
There's also the ability to quickly prioritize, too. Following the vendor management example I gave, sometimes even though you want to work on a process gap, potential efficiency gain, or personal research project, your time is better spent directing your vendors to help you reach your goals. The highest value people in these sorts of environments are the ones that can calmly make organization out of chaos.
@@techno0suck3r they worked hard and long hours because they were building things for themselves. Working hard long hours for some company that doesn't care or appreciate your time and effort is rarely worth it.
I like how what you preach is the normal reality of things but certain people and corporations were left behind. In the world that they knew back then. In a world that made sense back then. Good luck with the message, bud. Thumbs up.
I'm still on that pre Jr. Dev grind. When I sit to study, I pause the clock when I start slacking. But it's also good to hear this. I don't like to count other non-tutorial or non-coding time as productive time even if it contributes to me getting a job(like watching these videos, or applying for jobs, updating resume, updating portfolio). I think the best piece of advice I've heard from you is to constantly have job interviews lined up even if you already have a job.
so true most of my 8 hour work day is done in about 4-5 hours, the rest of the time Iam either hiding (sleeping or playing on the phone) from managment or pretending to be busy, and no Iam not "lazy", I used to work harder than everyone take additional work on myself because I believed this is how a job must be done, but then I realized that hard working people are basically getting screwed by the managment because they`r still getting the same ammount of pay for nearly double the work and they dont get any promotions or benefits for that, so yeah my advice to any young guys reading this is be as lazy as you can get away with, the less work you do the better it is for you, and if you want a promotion seek to increase your qualification and switch to new job.
Thanks, Josh. Solid advice here. However, on-premise work gives managers an increased illusion of control over you and your time. I don't see them letting it go so easily.
This is great. More musicians need to adopt this mentality.
I have been saying this for literally years upon years now.
100% Exactly how I am thinking and doing. Thank you.
I worked as a SE and I wasn’t able to stop thinking about solutions to problems. Weekends, after work, at night, before sleeping, after waking up.
It’s a fucked up mindset. And my employer made his best so that i won’t stop thinking about this shit. Like stressing me, making me feel bad if I take longer than the estimated time for a ticket and so on.
Now I work for the state of Germany as a civil servant and I love how my employers say stuff like „take it slow. You are worth more if you feel good and do a little less work a week than if you stress yourself and get a burnout in 5 years“
Let's all make our voices heard so that it becomes sooner when companies decide to reduce 40 hours work week down to 30 hours work week.
I remember at a defense contractor, I had to fill out an excel spreadsheet at the end of each week in 15 minute increments. Super annoying.
lol my software web development job requires me to fill up something like that everyday (as if JIRA sprint tracking and git commit messages wasn't enough)
@@19Nightwing91 yup. experienced this as well after getting sent to another company as a consultant and it was easily the worst 3 months of my life. The non dev people will keep asking me what my reports mean in non dev speak. I was writing code and tests while training their "devops" staff
19Nightwing91 Some people just follow a formula to make completing the form easier. You just enter the same number of hours for project management, meetings, support, etc., this week as you did last week. Other people because of the different systems in place to account for how you spend your time try to reconcile what’s being reported in the different silos just in case the company starts comparing what people have logged (in one of these silos it is the project manager who is entering how much time you spent on project work). I know that when management wants to get back at someone they will demand to know why what you entered in Jira doesn’t match what you entered elsewhere. I don’t like accounting for my time because the company is imposing a standard by which they judge everyone with the same job title. If you enter too many support hours in a given week, they get upset because you’re deviating from what they believe is ideal. How you enter your hours becomes more important than what you are accomplishing. It is like being evaluated on how often you dust your cubicle.
Because military commanders require contractors both strict hours and all over work over entirety of work hours.
Results is what they should be looking at, that's all that matters. If you are a good manager you should be able to see that. Sad truth is most managers have no idea what they are doing.
Measurement in terms of time clocked in and time clocked out makes absolutely no sense in terms of measuring a developers productivity. With source control software, it's very easy for a manager to assess a developers productivity if they know what to look for. With the technology available today, developers should always be able to work remotely. I agree, forcing developers to show up at an office for 40 hours a week is ridiculous. I suspect big change is coming soon.
So True!
I can work 60 hour weeks ploughing the fields by hand or just a 10 hour week ploughing by machine. Outcome, not hours should be the key here
After working in France (35 hour work week, 5-weeks PTO, 3-weeks non-paid time off, no contact after contract times...) I got a LOT better boundaries in the states. It's 40 hours which sucks, but i found a nonprofit that truly favors work-life balance, has a ban on company talk after hours, and i am paid twice what I was for managing a hotel prior to the pandemic. I have time for my hobbies, friends, dating and travel. I haven't had such a non-toxic workplace in the usa before this. So, work on your boundaries and enforce them, and find a job that respects that (and treats you as part of a team, but not a "family" or whatever they say). But yes, working over 40hrs for a job is awful. Definitely need time for ourselves.
Inspirational
As a software developer working insane hours is worse than diminishing returns. After you reach capacity, often you will create bad work that needs to be cleaned up. So in this instance you are producing negative work.
People working in offices, corporate businesses, don't work 8hours. They spend a good chunk of that on vaping/cigarette breaks, gossiping and small talk. However, people who work in retail, hospitality, farming etc... do work the full 8hours because those jobs require you to be actively on your toes constantly.
Corporate America sucks
Tip: If your work enforces time tracking, just enter the maximum estimated time spent even if you finished in half that time. Companies try to squeeze as much work out of you in those 40 hours, so you will be "rewarded" with more tasks for finishing early.
Yeah I never understood that. Do they think people would be like "I'm done! I'll take more work even though I'm not getting paid any extra!"
Results oriented companies should love work at home. It's easy to tell if a job is getting done. That's what deadlines are for. The amount of money a company can save in building and utility costs is well worth supporting a remote workforce.
It's a big problem that management thinks that people must be doing something always and be moving and doing at all times. If you congest a person's entire day down to the second with work load you're setting up for failure because the moment something hits an inevitable snag things go in the red. If a task allegedly only takes an hour but complications made it actually take three, the person on task now has fallen behind and won't complete one of their other tasks and will set things back even more down the chain.
You need to give people two to four key things in a day, that takes five to six hours of their day to accomplish.
If they clear the goal, then let them enjoy their time by giving them an easy task they can work on. It should be seen as a good thing that people run out of things to do.
Once your employer needs camera's and micro-management software to spy on you, why would you want to work for such a company in the first place?
Trust and respect work both ways, and i wouldn't want to express any loyalty to and work for people who feel they can't trust me.
Working smarter not harder!!
"40 hour work weeks are a joke"
no wonder employers today are asking 50+hrs a week, they have the spirit but took it the wrong way lmao
50 hours per week means you have 1 hour free for yourself per day. I mean 10 hours of work plus 3 hours of commute 2 hours for breakfast, lunch, cooking and showering plus 8 hours of sleep. That gives you one hour per day for your relationship, hobbies, friends. Oh and you will be too tired on Saturdays to do any of those things. Working more than 40 hours can and will destroy your health.
One time a guy I knew said he would get a phd in history in order to stand out. Problem is once a few do it, everyone does it. And then it's 4 years more to do the same fucking job!
No wonder people arent happy, 6 years later, dont wanna do this job anymore, 6 years of your life gone or work at a job u hate.
It’s amazing watching this very video AFTER some of your most recent ones, and watching it as how you went from mild opinions against canonical job culture to more cynical ones. Really love it, because that’s what we all experience.
I very briefly worked a data entry job where you get paid a base rate for inputting data but if you were extra productive, you’d get an hourly pay bonus, so there was an incentive either way to be productive. Not quite able/ don’t have the bandwidth to go above and beyond (because you’re human and are allowed to have off days)? Fine, you’re still meeting the baseline performance and getting compensated accordingly. Are you going above and beyond that baseline? Cool, here’s some extra money. It was a temporary stint and they weren’t as busy as they’d expected to be, so I jumped ship to something more permanent, but I respect Goodlord for that, even if the software enabling this was a little micromanagey (in the best possible way, I don’t see it as a negative having gone on to deal with ACTUAL micromanaging people after this role).
I also 100% believe hours don’t equal productivity. Thank you for the suggestions. I want to start a side hustle but don’t know exactly where to. Any suggestions ?
Unfortunately, our government doesn't like task based payment systems. Can you imagine if we allowed employers to pay based on completion of a project instead of hourly? Things would get done in half the time, and people could use the extra time to better themselves.
You're 100% right. Actually I sometime's find when solving a problem I do it best when I'm going for a walk or driving home.
On the other side it's good to have hours marked out in the day when you can switch off and forget about work (it's hard when your schedule is less structured). For folks with families I think the structured times helps them discipline themselves.
So unless you have a day-to-day deadlines I think you should pick what works best for you - and by extension probably for the company. Folks that take the piss get caught out very quickly anyways - so managers calm down.
I'm blessed enough to have a job that pays me fourty hours regardless of my work time, I finish most of my work between 6 to 8 hours and work 4 days a week. I am very thorough and never miss any work either because I'm thankful they allow me to do that.
Don't be thankful, they should be thankful. They need you more than you need them.
Some of these old videos about micromanaging from poor managers etc, how to fight it and the comments below, scream to me, you need to unionize. This is exactly the sort of thing your trade union, if they are active in your work place, should be working on. The reason companies get away with so much, is that people act individually, and get away with mad whims of management, is because if one person acts, there is no come back, 10+% of the employees work together, they HAVE to listen...
I was told in college we live in a 8 hour work day society.You work from this time to that time,it will never change.
Definitely the best piece of content that you've shared with everyone! Really insightful, and hope a lot of companies see this benefit of people being to be as productive, if not even more productive with this shift to remote work. Thanks for the content we thought we didn't need, but in fact did.
I just work 5 hours a day and get paid for 8 hours and my company has no problem with that.
This was possible because I admitted at some point to a colleague that I just work 5 hours a day efficiently (if I have a good flow I sometimes work 10 hours a day, but this happens not often) and the other 3 hours I just do repetitive tasks relatively slowly to relax.
My colleague said that it was the same for him, so we went to out teamlead and asked if we can go home after 5 hours and he was ok with it. We promised, that we will work those 5 hours fully concentrated. We knew that we have a very good teamlead that understands stuff like this and both of our job performances were and still are very good and our teamlead understood that it makes no sense to fill 3 hours a day with nothing really achieved just to get the working hours together.
I find myself working more efficiently when doing remote work because I can concentrate but also because I can really relax / vent.
I usually find solutions while doing some cleaning, it's like cleaning my mind at the same time.
That's normal, just like when you are playing a game you are so in it that you lose sight of the overall game.
Sometimes we need to take a step back and have a broader vision so your mind can actually explore it.
Facts....wish more companies understood this and allowed flexible schedules.
Finally someone had say it
I know no successful person who worked a standard work week. I'm 76, knew at 16 I'd have to be my own boss and worked 60+ hours a week for myself, if necessary. I got the credit for success and the crap if not. Worked for me.
I’m only available Mondays to Thursdays morning shifts & people say it’s not enough but It makes 30 hours/week. It’s like if you want a month at your expenses to travel they won’t let you. My dream is to be self employed not prisoned & unallowed to travel. We’re not free we condomne all we want to please a place that’s gonna stop us from living our dreams. & most the time it ain’t even jobs we love it’s just to pay a roof we never under might as well love your job & have freedom
The problem is that our attention and soul is being completely sucked by the workplace even if we are not actively typing in the computer. This is why it’s better to just quit
My Goal is to become a serial Entrepreneur and have several Companies that I founded. I am still quite far from doing that, however your Videos are helping me rethink how to set tasks / pay people etc, which is also not really taught in Startup Seminars etc etc.
My Question then becomes: if I want to go to a "I want to pay you X for doing task Y in Z amount of time" and I have the task and the deadline, how do I figure out how much to pay employees for that?
"I dont care if it takes you 4h or 8, if you do it at home or in the office, as long as you do good work in the allotted time" sounds good, but it kind of makes it hard to tell whether you are overpaying people..
I guess one solution would be to calculate the profit margin you would want to have for that thing and then offer what you are willing and then raise / lower the offered salary until you get the product you want for the best possible price... but even that sounds complicated.. darn it
honestly my proposition for a solution kinda sounds like a gig-economy model, like Uber for programmers...
Well for some cases work hours are important like service jobs. If you have a hospital you need to have people on the work at all times. On the other side on more creative jobs you can be suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper productive for for like 2 hours and do a better job. If your boss asks you to stay and do more work after you are finished lets say with a task and you produce like 2x the work normal employees would do, then you better ask for a good amount of raise :).
No jobs in this town.... not unless you want to work 40 hours a week
Haha. Dumb & Dumber. I love that line. 😂
Josh, you need to keep making content like this. I literally watch these videos for motivation so I can continue to learn and make projects for myself to have that side hustle.
You can also just tell your company that it aint going to happen (in the case of micromanagement software etc). We are too high in demand to put up with companies that do such things.
Joshua, thank you for all of your helpful tips. Thank you for caring about the worker! You are awesome! You deserve it!
Been watching your videos for nearly a month now. Great content. The myth of the 40 hour work week is truer in the blue collar and construction world also. They do their best work during the first few hours of the day, and then the rest of the day is just an uphill battle. Only the “going above and beyond” is usually made mandatory with ridiculous overtime which leads to massive unproductive hours.
Nothing against side hustles but I would highly recommend people investing in their health as well. My job is very stationary and mentally draining. I'm also a fat f*ck who eat too much unhealthy foods and sometimes in excessive portions. Working from home, I was able to run on my treadmill, do push ups, focus on meal planning, during phone meetings and all the free time I have since I don't have to drive to work. I make enough money, my career is really stable (government work), and I save a lot of it. Sometimes I think about doing a side hustle but to be honest, I'm in a good financial position where I have the luxury of not needing to.
0:33 “Do it for the company”
Thats the problem. The company only has loyalty to the money. They are easy to let you go, but ask for ur loyalty to make them richer.
Fuck capitalism without governance regulations.
We will never get this. It’s like we worship the 8 hour model.
An interesting perspective. I used to work in a grocery store as an overnight stocker, we did not have enough guys to ever get everything done in an 8 hour shift no matter how fast we worked. And they refused to hire any more guys.
I now work as a cop 40 hours a week. It's unavoidable, because it's the kind of job that needs to be covered by someone 24/7. I've never worked a job where the majority of the work is done in your head, but yeah if you can get in done in less time than your 8 hour shift or whatever then that should be fine. My brother in law works as a programmer and since he's been working from home he averages about 6 hours
For mentally based work, I always phrase it like that: The company isn't really paying for 40 hours. They are paying for "results in the value of" 40 hours. If you need 30 hours to deliver that, the extra 10 hours are yours. If you need 50 hours, the 10 extra hours come out of your spare time unpaid. The unit is not "hour". It is is "value per hour". I don't pay more or less for a gallon gas just because the speed it goes through the hose goes varies from one gas station to the other.
I'm pretty sure the human resources paradigm hasn't adjusted since the industrial age where quite literally the more time you spend in a factory the more you're getting done because they calculated that work through put ahead of time. I'm also fairly certain that most HR paradigms don't need to adjust to a more modern perspective and so the bias persists.
I do SW dev work. I think my most productive hour of the day is sometimes the card ride thinking about he problem I need to solve
100% agree @5:09 this is where I found out I can leverage my time into a skill that I can create into a lifestyle business
Totally agree. We should be working to complete a goal and not complete our 8h
In many ways this is a very juvenile way of looking at things.If you get paid by the hour, you agreed to be at task for those hours. Period. If you get all "your" work done I'm betting there are training lessons, company manuals, product or sales guides, something that would add to your body of knowledge that would make you a more effective employee. Now, if you are salaried, its up to you. Companies usually put people on salary because they KNOW the position requires more flexible hours and, most often, more hours than they want to pay. You do what you want but chances are, if you slack long enough, your job will go away.
Thinking about "work" problems in the shower, or anywhere else when you are on your own time is your own fault. Exercise some mental discipline. If you work hourly and your day is over at 5pm, shut it down and don't think about it. It takes practice, but it can be done.
There is no 40 hour work week in tech. Your always working, it's usually always in your head whether your want it or not. You can't really escape it unless you quit. Of course there's crunch time.
I work in an office, not tech related, and I've been required to come in every day the entire pandemic. We have the ability to work from home. And when I caught covid, I did work from home for 2 weeks. But my boss refuses to let people work from home in any other scenario. In his words, "if you're going to work for me, you're going to come to the office. I like to be able to control my employees."
I am not even a programmer or anything IT related but I like your videos because you can relate most of these topics for almost any type of job, especially right now.
I like that saying "work smart, dont work hard". Fits perfectly my believe.
Many troubleshooting steps, breakthroughs, ideas and solutions have come to me while driving.
I think you would really be a fan of how Andrew Yang sees the future of work and labor, especially in tech. You should give it a deep dive sometime.
I saw the video title and thought of Bertrand Russels' ' In praise of idleness'. I appreciate what you are doing Josh. Keep it up!
Yeah but in our company we're a big family! We look after each other!
i'm working 8hrs a day minimum. and i do mean working that whole time. it's exhausting and absurd that if i'm 5 minutes late once in a month then they take money out of my paycheck, but that same day i'll be asked to stay an hour late for no increased pay.
Some of the greatest technical problem solving I have ever done has happened during a hot shower or chilling outside with a smoke (back when I smoked). But I work for a company which still hangs onto the worst and most outdated productivity measure there is: the billable hour.
You made me realize how terrible my internship was. Had to take off 1 day to do presentation on my university for the internship and because of that it was cut from my paycheck. Even though, I went to my company's launch event on a Sunday and it wasn't even paid. Not even transportation. At least food was provided.
I work in the public sector in a very conservative state. We had to work from home because of the pandemic, and we proved a.) it is very feasible; and b.) we got our work done without some stooge standing over our shoulders. Our governor insisted we all return to the office permanently to give the optic that everything was okay. Insert your joke here. Though there have been real issues with remote individuals saying they were working when they really weren't (eg playing video games, playing golf, doing housework, etc.), the solution should be to deal with those bums and not take it out on the majority of us who are doing the right thing. There is still a tremendous amount of distrust even as we have started allowing workers to work at home. "You just don't want to get any work done." "It's not fair that other people have to go to work and you don't." And on and on. We'll see where this leads.
Any advice for staying focused for hard-to-solve problems? I find if I'm trying to learn a new concept or stuck solving a bug my focus tends to drift, and I easily go on fb/ check my phone, etc. It's hard to tell how much time I actually spend 'working'. I guess making the distractions not so convenient might help?