Who is Rey Skywalker?
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Who is Rey Skywalker? I mean honestly?
Who is Rey as a person? What does she want? Does anyone know? It's a question that has been asked since the sequel trilogy began yet it feels like we don't know any more about who Rey is as a character than when we first met her back in 2015. Let's talk about why that might be a problem.
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I think what many people don't understand is that a concept and a story are two different things. Rey Nobody is nothing but a concept because its story was never told. There would have been absolutely no reason to hide her origins because absolutely nothing happened in the past that had any influence on the story. Thus it was wasted screentime for Ruin's gotcha moment. The concept of TROS that Rey has to define who she is and that it is HER decision, no matter who her parents are, should have been the theme from the end of TFA onwards. That there actually IS a big secret we find out about her past but then in the end she defines herself. And this came much too late and in a choppy way in TROS. I totally agree that as a CHARACTER Rey had her strongest, realest moments in TFA where we met her beyond constantly wondering who she is. Which is funny because people literally ask themselves that in the film. She however does not. Which is where the inconsistency begins because in TLJ she suddenly does. she went from wantint her parents back to caring about who they are... that's a drastic shift that made WHO she is as a person seem blurry. Same with the ridiculous changed perceptions she has of particularily Kylo that you've pointed out. TROS is trying to somehow fix this but TLJ had broken too much and the reshoots broke even more, so that you do get way too little too late with more inconsistancy in between. In the end her being Luke's kid who struggles with her identity and who she is only to come out strong and DECIDE her own path... that should have been her story. Just like Finn should have become a Jedi who discovers his roots in a family NOT known to the audience before the ST because he already MADE the big choice when he left the FO...
I agreed
They did invest time showing her past, more specifically the moment where she was abandoned. The moment her trauma began and haunted her throught the trilogy. The point of showing only this scene was for us to understand why she needs so desperately parent figures like han or feel that she belongs to something. But also her conflict, cause even tho she wants this she thinks the only way of getting it was waiting for her parents in jakku. So it did had influence in the story. Otherwise, rey wouldn't have found bb8 in the same planet, saved him and later returned him to the resistance. The fact that they didn't show us more about her past serves in a great way to Rian*****'s gotcha moment. Cause in the end, it didn't matter who she was in the past rather than showing her trauma and the reason she seeks for luke: her place in that story. While ep 7 is about rey learning that she needs to embrace future, wich she did, ep 8 is about her looking for a place in that future. That is why she didn't ask herself who she was until TLJ. She wants to feel important so she looks for luke's guidance in order to learn something about her powers and parents that can explain why she was involved in all of that. But what she needed to learn was that she doens't need to come from an important place or validation from others to be important herself. Rey might be brave and determined, but those traits hide her huge insecurities, wich makes sense when you remember she had no one she could rely to or give her approval through most of her life. So far from being inconsistence, rian improved rey's character tremendously. She wondering who she is after accepting her future is very relatable and real. That is why the revelation of her being nobody was perfect, cause it was basically telling that to us as well and that it isn't a bad thing. AND IT SHOULD HAVE STAYED THAT WAY. Palpatine's return and his parentage to rey ruined everything rian and even jj himself stated previously.
In "The Rise of Skywalker," it is revealed that Rey's parents were trying to protect her from Emperor Palpatine. Her father was Palpatine's son, making her the Sith Lord's granddaughter. This connection explains Rey's strong connection to the Force and her struggle with the pull between the light and dark sides.
The reason Rey Nobody fell so flat with me is because the "your parents are nobody special" reveal is only relevant to the audience. Rey never showed any belief, preconception, or even interest in having famous parents in The Force Awakens, and so her reaction to Kylo Ren revealing that her parents were nobody should have been, "Yeah, and?" The more devastating part of that reveal was the part where Kylo says that they sold her for drinking money, because that went against her belief that her parents, whoever they were, cared about her and left her on Jakku for a good reason. She was invested in her belief that she wasn't abandoned, and so the revelation that she was would have been the part that hurt her.
The Last Jedi's parentage reveal would have been much more effective if it was used against Danaerys in Game of Thrones.
Rey Parents Pooja and Noorahan
"Rey hate those who hurt her or the people she love"
Then Sarah Wilson confirms, Rian Johnson wants to ship Rey with Kylo Ren because he see them romantic.
Hence the intense narrative disconnect between TFA and TLJ. Rian didn’t care at all about internal consistency or narrative progression. Which led to us getting the disastrous TROS that is basically half with JJ wanted and half what the studio wanted to keep allegiances to TLJ
@@TheFirstOkiro Wise words. Also it started the Reylo fandom that did harassed John Boyega. The Great thing he stand his ground, with his Instagram video.
@@TheFirstOkiro imagine if we got Rey, Finn, & Ben vs Snoke & the Knights of Ren? It was TLJ that took this trilogy irrevocably off track
I think it's more than that. Rian created a bond between Rey and BEN. Not Kylo. Everytime Rey spoke about Ben, she did it in a calm, longing manner. It's clear Ben was the man she wanted. Kylo was nothing but a parasite trying to possess her.
@@jakubrejak1114 she didn’t know Ben. The bigger problem is that what Rian wanted and what JJ wanted were 2 very different things.
By the time of TROS you had a war with what JJ setup vs what Rian developed, and as Jedipaxis said, JJ originally had Rey and Finn end up together but Lucasfilm wanted there to be a moment between Rey and “Ben” for the sake of the fans who wanted, hence the narrative disconnect of TROS being both JJ trying to finish his story yet being burdened to work with what rian setup and Lucasfilm wanted
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They spent so much time telling us what she’s not, they forgot to tell us what she actually is
I agree
A good and kind person who saved the whole damn galaxy before her bastard of a grandfather could destroy it all in vain attempt to reclaim his lost power. To me, she stands shoulder to shoulder with Anakin and Luke; They are Heroes, They are Jedi, and They are Skywalkers.
I can not see Her as an Skywalker.
"I'm Peter by the way"
"Rey Skywalker"
"Oh we're using our made up names. Then I am Spiderman"
Funny thing about both those two, is that characters originally believed that their parents were nobody important at first. Both revealing later that Peter's parents were super spies for the CIA and were killed on a mission, but they brought Aunt May and Uncle Ben to look after him. While Rey's father was later revealed to be the son of Emperor Palpatine and her parents hide her away on Jakku in a vain effort to protect her. I just find that kinda funny when you think about it, oh well.
@@jacobberg373 The CIA parents thing might not be true in the MCU, especially since the Amazing Spider-Man films leaned into it heavily and those films had a very mixed reception.
My favorite Star Wars character. I know many people hate the sequels, but I grew up with them. My babysitter used to put on Force Awakens all the time when she came over for us to watch.
The most likely theories going around was that she either would've been a Skywalker or a Kenobi. I personally banked on her being somehow related to Obi - wan, because I saw more similarities between her and Obi than I did with Luke, and there would still be a strong connection to the Skywalkers there. But then they... did something different.
This really hurts even more, knowing she was going to be a Kenobi and I’m still mad at Disney for it.
Disney was so interested in making her strong that they forgot to give her a character.
They wanted a replacement Luke, but didn’t understand why he was so beloved beyond a purely surface level and just gave all his accomplishments and background to her instead without questioning how it should effect her.
What made Luke so beloved was that we got to grow with him. He had character development but he also had character growth. If Luke Just never grew after the first movie and just stayed stagnant but kept getting stronger, he wouldn’t have been the character everybody loved but that was the problem with trying to turn characters into symbols instead of dimensional people
If you don’t know why Rey is a Skywalker you might have lost the plot to the meaning of Stawars and I pity you.
What is your opinion about Rey being a Kenobi. There were evidence in TFA, she kept her British accent, Rey hears Obi-Wan’s voice when she experienced visions after touching the lightsaber. And a concept from art of rise of Skywalker Rey went back mirror cave scene Ahch-To seeing Obi-Wan Kenobi in the Mirror. Even Daisy Ridley say about toying the idea Rey is a Kenobi
I mean I think anything is better than Rey Palpatine and Rey Nobody, One of which I Science completely impossible and the other I find insulting to the audience and the character
From what reports say, they wanted her to be a Canobie before JJ joined the team with Lawrence. But I think JJ, the OT fan that he is, wanted her to be Luke’s daughter to continue the saga having a Skywalkered Protagonist. I personally theorize that Rey heard Kenobi, because just like Luke and Anakin, Obi-Wan will always have a soft spot for that family, and even in death, he feels personally responsible to help them where he can, because that’s who he is.
My only problem with her being a Canobie is that he would have to be at that point her granddaughter and you run into some of the problems with her being a Palpatine since her parents will just have to be canon fodder and of course the time my problems of having to explain when Kenobi started clapping cheeks and why considering he lived by the Jedi code. But as I said, I will take that any day over her being a Palpatine or nobody
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What matters to me is facts Then application
WHo do you ship rey with?finn or ben
Tens of millions of not hundreds of millions of people in all walks of life have enjoyed Star Wars for decades. The problem isn't social biases. It's not sexism or racism for the vast majority of those who watched these movies. More, the problem isn't with the actors and actresses. They were all very good at what they were given. The HUGE and obvious problem with these sequels is they planned ZERO arch for the characters and the story from one movie to the other. Every character suffered from these inconsistencies regardless or race and gender. They were all screwed equally.
personally i like rey most in tros as someone with divorced parents i can relate some things are stronger then blood i feel fans are to harsh on her they need to let the past die kill it if they have to but i know that won't happen cuz hating the ST is an easy target its clear there was no plan but mandalorian had no plan either
TROS tries with Rey but it’s not about if there’s a plan or not. It’s about if there is commitment to a vision or not and the biggest failing of the sequel trilogy isn’t on its directors or its characters but the lack of commitment. It’s the fault of the studio itself always changing their mind.
It’s why I feel we need a spin off of the sequels that just has one create vision behind it
Well said!
Good video bro
Lor San Tekka in TFA: "You may try, but you cannot deny the truth that is your family." Unless you're a Palpatine, it seems.
احتاج ان اسكن في جزيره ليسا بها احد كي اعرف من انا من يستطيع توفير هاذا الامر لي اكون شاكره وسأنظم اليهم
Rey bloody Purchaaaaase
Sorry, I had to
IMO there were only two actually good things (story/character wise, there were dozens of cool images but most of them didn't help or even actively hurt immersion in the plot if not harming the plot itself) Kylo Ren smashing his mask, and Rey's parents being nobodies.
Of the two I thought (in retrospect) Rey's parents was the better one, but not in and of itself... it was what I thought it represented. It, in my interpretation, it represented taking us away from the whole 'Blood of Kings' BS that'd been implicitly and explicitly worked into Star Wars from the beginning... but telling Rey her parents sold her for booze was just mean, and Rian Johnson is an asshole.
Come to think of it, Ren breaking his mask meant something to me more out of my interpretation of it than the act itself as well. My takeaway was that it was representing Kylo Ren finally stepping out of Vader/Anakin's shadow and becoming his own person... but given Rian Johnson being is an asshole I may have been completely wrong about that, even before Rise of Skywalker.
I think the concept is good but I think the character they chose to be a nobody hero was the wrong one. You had a former Stormtrooper who was right there and fit the bill better, but by choosing the one who was a Skywalker and everything but name I think it hurts the overall message and I think that will be my next video put out to discuss why that happened.
The concept is definitely compelling, I agree with you because the movies only focused on one family, but it just felt like Jonathan didn’t do it for any other reason than to pull a gotcha on us
@@TheFirstOkiro Yeah, and I just hate that. Game of Thrones did the same thing at the end not realizing that all those fan theories meant people Liked what was happening, they were Invested in the story and especially Those Characters. With the sequel trilogy we didn't even get the chance to be invested before whatever focus-group, internet outrage, or production staff whim flipped the table and they had a do-over.
And yeah, Finn would fit better in the 'you don't need Blood of Kings to be a big deal in the force.' Goes along with the missed opportunity I think you mentioned in a previous video, of Finn being drawn to Luke/Anakin's lightsaber and Rey being repulsed by it... (possibly due to force-related family baggage).
...but that's all hindsight related context. At the time of first seeing TLJ in theaters I was just, "Rey's not a Skywalker/Kenobi/etc... why's everybody complaining? This is a GOOD Thing."
All in all She is a Space Witch.
8:28 Was that a fuckin MauLer reference
Hahaha yeah
@@TheFirstOkiro Nice
The weird bit of Rey's Palpatine backstory was that it turned out her father was an imperfect clone of Palpatine... I mean watch the flashbacks of her parents and you would assume that her mother was the one related to Palpatine since she is far more the focus of those scenes and the father is barely more than a background character in them, that whole subplot was a mess and it's annoying when people say that only the fans out emphasis on Rey's parentage when it was actually TFA that did that nobody would have questioned who her family was if there weren't strong hints through TFA that they were important and we probably know them, the strongest suggestion was that she was probably either Luke's daughter or a lost daughter of Han and Leia, even the trailer suggested it with Luke's monologue about how the force is strong in his family, how his father had it, he has it, his sister has it and then you have that power too (presumably addressing Rey) the suggestion that he's talking to a relative of his there is fairly blatant
Its so sad that the sequels screwed up the story so badly, with Rey, I just can't say anything about her because, she is just a bland character whoses story makes no sense, she has all of these abbilties without any training, defeats Kylo Ren in a duel, after that, there is nothing, no real story and she is meant to be one of the central leads of this trilogy, her very existance is flawed because she stands as a example of how NOT to write a character or promote a character, being so bland of a character really hurts the story but then there was no overall story to be told as they simply chose to wing it instead which resulted in a giant mess that never should of been green lighted in the first place
She could never have been related to Skywalker since she was so... Flawless. We know Anakin and Luke went through their trials and tribulations. Rey didn't go through any trials
do people actually like rey?????
Rey who? Rey who cares.
1- Find Ray did not follow the lore of Star Wars.
2- There is no trails of life with this character
3- I find her character to have no real substance. But this is my opinion and if you like ray character that's up to you
No, she doesn't follow the lore at all and I think that's a fair thing to say. I can't say I like what Rey became, but I did like the concept of the character and at least what we saw out of TFA, but I'm in agreement that her power journey followers no actual rules that SW set down. I think she's not too far gone that she can't be fixed, but they gotta do a lot to do it
Because she has no defining feature.
Rey is a crap character wtiuyen by hacks that trashed a franchise
Rey Skywalker is such an amazing character to me
Why ? What's so amazing about her ? She has the most subtle character arc I've ever seen. And not a meaningful nor relatable one at that.
@@themadladorian4364 1- Many character arcs in Star Wars were subtle and they were good.
2- Her character arc wasn't subtle, far from that.
3- Not meaningful? If there is something great about the sequel trilogy is how her character arc is relatable, despise the directors changing their ideias the whole time. Her story os about finding her identity on her family and friends. It is one of the things the trilogy got right despite its many flaws.
@@gianluccamontechiari7662 It might be spectacular, meaningful and relatable to some, but not to me. It just goes from "I'm no one" to "I'm someone". I don't see anything amazing about that. She's just Luke but fixated on her ancestry and less consistent.
@@themadladorian4364 I respect your opinion but i disagree.
The only good Disney era star wars movie was Rogue One, which unsurprisingly doesn't have Rey in it
Personally, i thought The Force Awakens was the only good movie in the Sequel trilogy. The Last Jedi was painfully disappointing. And the Rise of Skywaler was just confusing & frustrating.
Agreed