The biggest question is why ponies dismiss Twilight now? Leader of the Elements of Harmony is one thing to cover up... a freaking ALICORN ASCENSION IS NOT! Especially when they go out of the way to have an entire coronation for Twilight. While I understand that some people won't recognize a celebrity at first glance and very little would likely change with Twilight's role in Ponyville because she lives there and the ponies knew her well before her acension, but that gives no excuse for ponies in Manehatten and other towns and cities to just brush the presence of an alicorn off. Especially when considering that Twilight does not even bother to hide her wings and any pony with a brain knows that a pony that has both wings and a horn is an alicorn, and therefore royalty in the eyes of the ponies, seeing as the only alicorns in existence that they know of is the ruling family
probably because Twilight doesn't wear her crown and did not grow tall and get her wavy hair yet. Ponies must've seen her as a regular pegasus and maybe think they were crazy or that there was a unicorn next to her. Besides, Cadence, Celestia and Luna all wear their crowns and royal shoes and Celestia and Luna are literal giants and have wavy hair too. (Why am I watching a video that came out 7 years ago? Because I'm nostalgic ok?)
Selective attention. Twilight leaves her wings folded most of the time and tall unicorns are pretty common, so it's not as easy to notice as you may think.
I think that they are allowed to tell the full story to their family. I mean, in the episode Flutter Brutter, Fluttershy's brother mentioned that Fluttershy and her friends are the ones saving Equestria all the time.
He does not forget it he talks about it ! He even explain that because only people entering the castle would have the possibility to see it, it meant that most common ponies would not even know it's existence and even those who could enter would probably not pay notice to it, giving the exemple of stained glass windows in real life and how people don't really notices them, let alone understand what they are supposed to represent
Good theory, but during twilights coronation, Celestia SPECIFICALLY says "twilight my student" and "for quite a while" so it's impossible, also, the book at the start isn't Twilights, it's a library, AND how would Starlight Glimmer know the mane 5 are? I say five because Twilight was a alicorn O3O I think no one knows the mane 6 because, think about it like this : if you see a celebrity on the street, you're not gonna recognise them STRAIGHT AWAY, I'm saying that people know the mane 6 it's just that no one really has the time TOO recognise them (JUST KIDDING I HAVE NO CLIE) I do not believe that Celestia keeps it a secret, she just doesn't talk about it much because of her "Royal Composure" Idk
Yeah... I think you're right about the true reason why ponies don't recognize the mane 6. It's the more likely reason. I just thought it'd make for a fun idea if there was a massive cover-up taking place. I'll admit my theory is highly unlikely (and needs some serious polishing, as it turns out), but I wouldn't call it outright impossible. :p By the time Twilight's coronation happens, it'd be kind of pointless to keep the whole "twilight is Celestia's PERSONAL student" thing a secret. In fact, by the time season 5 ended, all the secrets have probably already been leaked to the general public. That's why it's only now that the mane 6 are finally getting the recognition they deserve. If Starlight's whole revenge plan is anything to go by, the only thing she knew about the mane6 was that Twilight's a princess and Rainbow Dash did the Sonic Rainboom as a filly. Also, I don't remember saying that the book at the start belonged to Twilight. I only said that Twilight had access to resources most other ponies do not. The book could've come from a special section of Canterlot Castle's library that only graduate students are allowed into.
You know what? This is the case. No one is allowed to check books out of a university library but students enrolled in it. An average citizen who does not work nor study there would not be allowed to check one out. Furthermore, some are open to the public, some require guests to be accompanied by a student to be admitted. AJ would be allowed to come in and research in there, but s/he would never be allowed to take anything printed with her.
+TheNotverysocial I haven't got the chance to watch much of season 6 so I night be a little rusty, I do think your theory is plausible though and Dragon, yours too :3
+TheNotverysocial ACTUALLY I HAVE A THEORY maybe Celestia was using her magic, she is a natural alicorn after all, It is also possible that, well, that's it actually.
Had you seen my original comment? What you said is in effect what I said. Elections, coronations and the like catch and hold people's attention when they are on campaign, or the results are made official. Once the coronation or swearing takes place, it rapidly fades from the public's mind. People in general don't care about the government one way or another, as office is geographically so distant from them, it's out of mind out of sight. Tia is a special case. When you have a literal god on your hands, it tends to draw attention, especially when said god is not invisible. No matter how you slice it, the civilian residents of PV know Lu personally, which is more than can be said of any others. Besides, the changeling invasion and the shadow dude were defeated by the supporting guys. "D"'s havoc was by no means localized, and his conquering was in plain sight of any and all ponies who might have been in the vicinity, what with it being a public place. The only ones who downplay their accomplishments consistently are the urban ponies in Manehattan and Canterlot, largely due to having busy and fast moving lifestyles. They have frequent and constant business to attend to, they don't need to add unannounced royalty to their minds when they have enough to think about. The only thing that could be concealed without loose ends is the battle with Nightmare Moon. She only invaded PV, and her battle was in her old home in the forbidden forest. Only the CMC would willingly enter those woods.
That's my theory Princess Celestia is keeping all the fame to herself and making everyone in Equestria believe she is the one who saved Equestria a lot
I got mad at Celestia cuz she kept the EOH (Elements of harmony) hidden. And she didn't stand up for her sis or went with her in Nightmare Night to prove she's nice.
An intriguing hypothesis, but it's easily debunked. Perhaps the residents of PV are the only ones who saw Nightmare Moon in the flesh. Maybe the castle of the two sisters, being in the forbidden forest only the CMC like to enter keeps the average pony from venturing into it. It is there that Mane Six faced NMM and freed Lu. Isolated as the castle is, it's no wonder nopony saw it. This doesn't make the return of Princess Luna and the return and defeat of Nightmare Moon any less of a huge coincidence to sweep under the rug. PV has a major transit line running through it. While it is a small town with low population, it has loads of through traffic. The residents of PV know about Luna and Nightmare Moon. While most passers through don't stick around, surely they hear news from it. Nothing about Discord's reign of chaos and his subsequent defeat was in any way isolated to Ponyville or hidden in a lonely castle in the wilderness. The emotion eaters explanation was a sound one. They didn't stand a chance against the changelings. Mi Amore Cadence and Shining did this. Spike saved the Chrystal Empire, true. Then, this entire thing seemed to be one giant, prearranged test of Twilight's character, and the villain was more a force of nature than a sapient antagonist. Really Chrysalis is the only airtight explanation. No matter how well you keep it a secret from the rest of Equestrian societies, PV civilians know about them. In addition to recognizing Luna as the former Nightmare Moon on her night and Discord's defeat being in plain sight of its populace, they all watch the Mane Six fighting monsters in Slice of Life as if this is business as usual. With all these civilians evidently aware of them, do you honestly expect this info not to leak out? The best explanation can be best summed up in this question: Outside of over advertised election campaigns, do you really give much thought to politics? The names and faces in parliament and cabinet are very public, but your average joe does not know or care much about it. With officials so geographically far removed from us, they are out of sight and out of mind. They become relevant just enough for us to be aware they exist, but not often enough to constantly occupy our minds when we have countless other things on our minds. No matter how you slice it, the small townsfolk know them; the busy city ponies in Manehattan and Canterlot are too busy to notice or care.
wow, i didn't know you could make that long a reply anyway, speaking as a non brony with kids (i'm a fan of brony stuff, not the cartoon) it's probably that celestia said the main...ok, "mane" 6 helped to save equestria, but no info was given more than that so the other ponies outside of ponyville really cared that much and those that do know more are more respected for what they normally do
Ah... shoot. I can't believe I forgot about the part where Ponyville's residents were watching the Mane6 fight off the Bugbear, especially when I used a clip from that episode that had to do with just that. >_< Ah well... I'll just address that in a future episode or something. Ponyville's residents would definitely know what's up, but there's a good number of reasons why the info would stay contained within that town. As you pointed out, the busy city ponies in Manehattan and Canterlot wouldn't give much thought to what's essentially small town heroes, especially since none of the really high profile incidents happened in those cities. The really important details, however, (i.e., Elements of Harmony) were most likely kept a secret even from Ponyville. Hmm... definitely going to have to hash this one out later on... >_> P.S. I think everypony was too busy being affected by Discord's magic to get the exact details of what happened and how the Mane6 saved the day.
DragonTrainer201 Not so much as they were. Twilight and her friends really got the worst of it. Furthermore, while the representations are there, the elements are no more. They haven't been for three seasons. Whether anyone recalled or not would not be relevant one way or another. Given observation of ponies like Pinkie, Vinyl Scratch, and others like them who tend to turn up in unlikely locations, writing convenience covers everything. Well written as My Little Pony can be, there are poorly written eps, and many shows blow MLP out of the water. In any case, PV residents are on close terms with Luna like no other ponies save Tia are. Twilight's coronation was publicized and dropped much like elections are broadcast and forgotten to Americans. Only those PV residents seem to care or even mention it. And Starlight. And Sunset.
did u read/watch harry potter? because its not called the forbidden forest in map its the ever free forest. or ever green or something like that . i don't really care though. but possibly potter heads unite!.....? other wise pegasisters/ bronys unite!
LPS LoonyLunaLovegood I had. I intend to visit the theme park when the opportunity presents itself. It hasn't yet. I have seen a few eps of Littlest Pet Shop, and think it an enjoyable show in general. It doesn't have the elaborate original setting these other two have. Both have original and real settings alike. While original in name, all of Littlest Pet Shop is in a real world setting. I happen to be a major fan of the chipmunks.
i suspect your right up to a point, however after the events with teric especialy given the castel apearing in the middle of ponyville, it was one thing when we thought ponyville was isolated but when we realized that it was literaly a stones throw from canterlot [you can see the freking castel from the edge of town] yeah...whats more celestia likely will have realized that her own secretiveness damned near doomed equestria, but forceing twilight not to reveal the plan to her freinds she in turn got those same freinds caught...too little information was just as damning as too much might have been...
Not a bad theory... a few problems with it, but nothing that Celestia can't apparently work around. Still doesn't explain why nopony recognizes the alicorn princess Twilight Sparkle though when she doesn't even try to hide her wings and got her own parade in Canterlot (not to mention was the official ruler of Equestria for a short time during the episode with the plundervines). My own theory is that the whole Ponyville area is under a complicated and powerful version of the background spell, which has occurred naturally through a mix of the magics of the Tree of Harmony, the Elements of Harmony, the Everfree Forest's wild magic, Discord's chaos magic leftover in the forest (at least through the plundervines) and possibly the magical residue from Celestia's big fight against Nightmare Moon. Outside of Ponyville ponies and events from the town are largely ignored or quickly forgotten, and it helps the ponies living in town to adapt and live with the crazy things the town attracts more easily without going mad(der than they are already). Only ponies and creatures with considerable magical power, willpower or strong ties to Harmony/Destiny are somewhat immune against it. A side effect might also be a "weirdness magnet" which leads to both extraordinary ponies and events gathering in this town, probably because if somepony pays enough attention to the town's existence to move there, it already implies they're extraordinary enough to resist the spell's effects.
Later in Season 7 their friendship lessons from a journal get leaked in the episode Fame And Misfortune, and that’s when everypony notices them a lot more. It’s only when information about the Mane 6 gets leaked that everypony notices and takes advantage, but all the other times they’re treated as regular ponies like average civilised people would do.
I just think that the ponies just mind their business. Unlike our people who stampede to the celebrity. Looking at season 9 now, the ponies still fan over Celestia and Luna but they don't bother them. I do agree that there is a secret organization though, they keep out unessesary panic. (Yes ik the theory is old, but I may or may not have an answer)
I like this theory a lot. It's actually fairly reasonable that Celestia would keep all of these events secret. So maybe that thousand year period between Luna's Banishment and Luna's Return wasn't so peaceful after all. But why would Ponies in Manehatten dismiss Twilight as some kind of waif? She's a member of the Royal Pantheon. We see the not Statue of Liberty in Manehatten, so maybe the Ponies of Manehatten see the Alicorn ruling class as being restrictive/abusive by nature of them having all of the power.
That's what I think Princess Celestia is keeping all the fame to herself and making everyone in Equestria believe she's the one who saved Equestria a dozen times
There are two Massive flaws with the theory. The Stained Glass windows are on the way to the Throne room. and the ball room. Ponies may get stuck out in the hall. and taking into account Sunset Shimmer was always saying she was Celestia Student and showing up everypony else, Twilight would be ignored. Minutte, twinkleshine, Lemonheart, and Lyra all knew Twilight's status. lyra was in ponyville for the first villain. and the big one:If nopony recognized Luna as nightmare moon which the Whole of Ponyville did in season 2 episode 4 the same place where nightmare moon first appeared. There is no way Celestia could have kept that information a secret without being a bad ruler.the answer was quite simple Ponyville was a small town.
Couple more things: Equestria doesn't have 24/hr news cycle to inundate the public with superfluous information so the mindset of the average pony doesn't lend toward celebrity gossip. Also possibly because of the mirror portals that Celestia and Starswirl explored (Comics and EQG) she's more aware of the loopholes within "freedom of the press" clauses that gave rise to invasive paparazzi and she nipped that B.S. in the bud before it could become a problem. That way it's much easier for her to keep "black-ops" incidents from the public-at-large.
With so many people begging for funding at the end of their videos lately, I love seeing the very unobtrusive, simple "Here's some links. Support if you want to" ending. Keep up the theories! :)
"Celestia limited public knowledge on the Mane Six's accomplishments..." You mean things like that one time Pinkie "accidentally a war" with a buffalo tribe? (Insert Meme Here)
I think that season 6 shows that they are fairly well known as having saved Equestria multiple times. Ponies just don't seem to give them any special privilege for it. We saw it with the Wonderbolts and Sunburst seemed highly impressed with Starlight being Twilight's student and even Fluttershy's brother seemed to aknowledge it.
Wonderbolts were created to be part of the military. They would be in the know of important events and persons in the world. Starlight is the student of Twilight, an alicorn. Alicorns are basically living gods. The family of the mane six would probably also be told of their importance.
And maybe one of the main 6 will know all the info about that and i think it's "pinkie pie" maybe she was ohsen to hide all the info while celielstia will hide the elements this is why pinkie knows everything in epuwesria girls and friendship is magic) And only the most royal pinsess will know.
'Nightmare Moon was defeated, Princess Luna he's returned. Don't ask how or why, just shut up and enjoy the party!' So clever!! I die every time I hear that!!
Have you ever played Skyrim the same thing happens as well Twilight Sparkle and her friends are never recognized as Equestria's heroes because the Mane Six are like the Dragonborn player character
I think Princess Celestia is keeping all the heroism to herself and lying to everyone in Equestria and telling everyone that she did all the heroic deeds herself that's why nobody in Equestria recogizes the Mane Six as Equestria's heroes
*leaves comment bellow: What if not even Celestia and Luna themselves actually know everything? The rest are merely given the details releveant to their job and position.
from the mlp episode "sweet and elite" in the scene where rarity is at the wonderbolts race, and when she mentions rainbow dash and why she says rainbow is the captain of the wonderbolts, rarity had a look that she was trying 2 make up a lie. this evidence can partially back up ur theory
this is might be wrong because if no pony knew about the mane six saving the day then what about when Zephyr Breeze says in "Flutter Brutter" and I quote "you've saved equestria like, a hundred times". This is probably just because Zephyr is Fluttershy's brother and she would tell him, but in the beginning of the episode we see that Fluttershy seems to want to avoid Zephyr. If she's always trying to avoid him I doubt she would tell him, and trust him enough to tell him that she is THE BARRIER OF ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL EQUESTRIAN ITEMS.
I have a theory that may or may not be against yours. The reason the citizens of Ponyville don't recognize them for their accomplishments (defeating Discord, restoring Luna, fighting Tirek, so on and so forth) is due in large part to the Elements themselves. The Elements of Harmony are an all powerful magical force that, if used for evil, could likely destroy Equestria. If you think about it, each of the Mane 6, plus Starlight and Sunset (though she's safe from this, being in the human world), are single. If Prince Blueblood, for one, knew of Rarity's accomplishments as the Element of Generosity, as well as the power that element holds, he would likely do everything he could to be in Rarity's good favor. He would dote on her. Fawn over her. Effectively, he would be the prince she thought he was. Kind, loving, absolutely perfect, just the way she pictured him. And once they were married, had a couple kids, he'd use her. Her element, tied to the other elements, would be used to, likely usurp Celestia so that HE could rule Equestria. When he had what he wanted, he'd toss her aside. Perhaps even have her killed so the elements couldn't be used against him later. Another idea is possibly Celestia herself using her magic to remove the memories of the Mane 6 from the minds of the Equestrian citizens, to protect their identities as well as their families. Think of it this way, if an enemy of Canterlot, the Crystal Empire or Ponyville (now that it's basically a kingdom) knew who Applejack, Rarity, or any of the rest of them were, who do you think they would target. Knowing the minds of bad guys like I do, they would target Applebloom, Sweetie Belle, Granny, Big Mac, Scootaloo, Fluttershy's parents, Twilight's parents, and Rainbow's parents. Bad guys don't think in the same morals we do as normal people. If they knew the families of the mares that were stopping them at every turn, their lives would be in danger. A mind erasing spell would be the safest option.
You touch on a theme that has been bugging me for a while -at which point Twilight went from one of many students to Princess candidate? Was she already the first before she defeated Nightmare Moon? Most assume yes, but I'd say no.
XD Let's start from the very beginning, A very good place to start... Who gets the reference... I started singing this when he said let's start form the very beginning.
what about the fact that twilight is a princess now, the "princess of friendship". Her element is magic. also, idk if this episode came out when this video was published, but in flutter brutter fluttershy's brother mentions how shes been on the ends of equestria. But then again it is her brother.
still doesn't excuse ponies not knowing Twilight is a princess when she's a freaking ALICORN! I don't care how little is known about her in anyway, the ponies know Celestia is an Alicorn and that Alicorns are royalty, since Cadance is recognised. If you're speaking with a pony who is clearly an Alicorn, i don't care if you don't know them, you treat them like royalty, damn it!
What about Twilight being an Alicorn? She doesn't seem to get much recognition normally as an Alicorn let alone a princess. In some episodes she does but not to many that I've noticed, is it because she's the princess of friendship so most ponies don't care as much?
I like your vids, Dragontrainer, but don't use Pony Generator for your pony. Hire an artist, or perhaps draw stuff yourself. Pony generator is good for getting a general idea for your pony. This is not a hate comment, just advice. You just earned another sub! ^-^
Uh..they had a gaint cernimony after saving equtrioan from Discord AND there was a line in one episode recently that actual said they saved equestria. so yeah
well in flutter brutter or whatever it's called, zepher recognised fluttershy and rainbow saving equestria 'a dozen times' so hes an ordinary and dare i say simple, pony. and you can't say fluttershy told him cos she never talks about her accomplishments and the rest of them probably haven't even properly met zepher so would barely know him and wouldn't be like hey we saved equestria a dozen times and rainbow seems to know zepher well but everytime they encounter, from what we've seen, he just flirts with her and she just looks annoyed or shocked
if its kept as a secret then explain how in the episode where Rainbow Dash becomes a actual wonderbolt how one pony says and I quote "You saved equestrian like a million times" I'm sure that pony wasn't refuting to the episode where Rainbow is determined to be a better hero then the rest of the mane 6 in costume
It's kind of simple. Rumours may of been spread about the mane 6 and like Chinese whispers. The information is wrong lols. Or it is secret. I mean hardly anyone leaves ponyville and a lot of the actions happen while no one knows. And also yes celestial secrets
i also think the alicorn potion is one of Celestia's secret.... Zecora just happen to have that all the sudden hmmmmm what if she was given it by Celestia that was like dont ask but you made it and make twilight drink it the fate of equestria depends on it....
I felt like starlight glimmer is just acting to find how the powerful magic of friendship is. Different from sunset shimmer, she just changes her mind while sunset actually saves the day. But in the episode that trixie and starlight became friends, it really show the point that starlight and trixie aren't acting that episode. But in the other episodes of starlight's lessons, she seems a bit odd. Maybe she's acting and trying to find out about the powerful magic of friendship to try and rule some city or the world again. 🌍=🔥 evil starlight.
Unless the princess made pinky pinky promise then I think she would tell everybody remember the episode where she found out that shining armour and cadence were having a baby it was so hard for her to keep a secret just for one day but really could she keep a secret for that long
Good theory, but In season 4-6 everyone in Cantorlot or Manehatten or any popular city, Twilight is a Alicorn, But nopony notices, If u get an answer, pls put this on a video, thx it's just a theory I've always had
What about just going Men In Black style and messing with their memories. Twillight back when she was a simple unicorn could alter the minds of the majority of ponyville in lesson zero. Cellestia could probaly make everyone who saw forget.
Well, the wonderbolts were originally created to be part of the military, and it would be safe to assume that the members would be drafted into to military if a conflict were to take place. An elite flying team would probably be in the know about the important events and persons in the world.
There's a theory stating Rainbow wasn't made a wonderbolt much earlier despite her talent because they knew what the mane 6 had done, so they waited longer to avoid it looking like favouritism. She had to gain her place like any other cadet. In other words, they always knew it all, but kept the secret until she was part of them. That's why Spitfire never mentions the times she was saved by Rainbow.
most of the time though the mane 6 will take credit for things they didn't do like the Canterlot Wedding in the seoson 5 finally or take credit for Sombra in those same two episodes
For the question "could Princess Celestia really be responsible for a massive cover up?" My response is "is the United States government responsible for covering up the Roswell incident?" Because what really happened on the Roswell, New Mexico ranch in the 1940s?
Makes sense but um what's your theory on how Zepher in Season 6 could have known as he said "When have you ever failed? You've literally saved Equestria like a dozen times" to Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash. I'm curious ^_^
The biggest question is why ponies dismiss Twilight now? Leader of the Elements of Harmony is one thing to cover up... a freaking ALICORN ASCENSION IS NOT! Especially when they go out of the way to have an entire coronation for Twilight. While I understand that some people won't recognize a celebrity at first glance and very little would likely change with Twilight's role in Ponyville because she lives there and the ponies knew her well before her acension, but that gives no excuse for ponies in Manehatten and other towns and cities to just brush the presence of an alicorn off. Especially when considering that Twilight does not even bother to hide her wings and any pony with a brain knows that a pony that has both wings and a horn is an alicorn, and therefore royalty in the eyes of the ponies, seeing as the only alicorns in existence that they know of is the ruling family
Evilta Don’t say excuse!
probably because Twilight doesn't wear her crown and did not grow tall and get her wavy hair yet. Ponies must've seen her as a regular pegasus and maybe think they were crazy or that there was a unicorn next to her. Besides, Cadence, Celestia and Luna all wear their crowns and royal shoes and Celestia and Luna are literal giants and have wavy hair too. (Why am I watching a video that came out 7 years ago? Because I'm nostalgic ok?)
now explain to me how everyone overlooks a alicorn
Selective attention. Twilight leaves her wings folded most of the time and tall unicorns are pretty common, so it's not as easy to notice as you may think.
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I have no idea how
He made a video about that,because of you.
I think that they are allowed to tell the full story to their family. I mean, in the episode Flutter Brutter, Fluttershy's brother mentioned that Fluttershy and her friends are the ones saving Equestria all the time.
True.
'Just shut up and enjoy the party' - what a Princess Celestial thing to say
but fluttershy's brother knows about them saving the world alot
Family may be different.
Big Mac knows too
But that is different because family keeps safe and so does the princesses
morally smelly
I think the main 6 can tell family
What about season six where ponies say "You saved equestrian a dozen times"
LPSTangyArts_Official but they don’t know how!
Just wondering,
If luna wasn't trapped in the moon for a thousand years, would she be nearly the size of Celestia>
Danii true Dat lol
not really true. she is 5 years younger than celestia
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Princess Luna is probably a teenager
Mid 20s, the main 6 are teenagers in senior year!
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you're forgetting one thing. celestias windows clearly showing the elements and main six
Oh, yea the murals on the windows
He does not forget it he talks about it ! He even explain that because only people entering the castle would have the possibility to see it, it meant that most common ponies would not even know it's existence and even those who could enter would probably not pay notice to it, giving the exemple of stained glass windows in real life and how people don't really notices them, let alone understand what they are supposed to represent
Good theory, but during twilights coronation, Celestia SPECIFICALLY says "twilight my student" and "for quite a while" so it's impossible, also, the book at the start isn't Twilights, it's a library, AND how would Starlight Glimmer know the mane 5 are? I say five because Twilight was a alicorn O3O
I think no one knows the mane 6 because, think about it like this : if you see a celebrity on the street, you're not gonna recognise them STRAIGHT AWAY, I'm saying that people know the mane 6 it's just that no one really has the time TOO recognise them (JUST KIDDING I HAVE NO CLIE) I do not believe that Celestia keeps it a secret, she just doesn't talk about it much because of her "Royal Composure" Idk
Yeah... I think you're right about the true reason why ponies don't recognize the mane 6. It's the more likely reason. I just thought it'd make for a fun idea if there was a massive cover-up taking place. I'll admit my theory is highly unlikely (and needs some serious polishing, as it turns out), but I wouldn't call it outright impossible. :p
By the time Twilight's coronation happens, it'd be kind of pointless to keep the whole "twilight is Celestia's PERSONAL student" thing a secret. In fact, by the time season 5 ended, all the secrets have probably already been leaked to the general public. That's why it's only now that the mane 6 are finally getting the recognition they deserve.
If Starlight's whole revenge plan is anything to go by, the only thing she knew about the mane6 was that Twilight's a princess and Rainbow Dash did the Sonic Rainboom as a filly.
Also, I don't remember saying that the book at the start belonged to Twilight. I only said that Twilight had access to resources most other ponies do not. The book could've come from a special section of Canterlot Castle's library that only graduate students are allowed into.
You know what? This is the case. No one is allowed to check books out of a university library but students enrolled in it. An average citizen who does not work nor study there would not be allowed to check one out. Furthermore, some are open to the public, some require guests to be accompanied by a student to be admitted. AJ would be allowed to come in and research in there, but s/he would never be allowed to take anything printed with her.
+TheNotverysocial I haven't got the chance to watch much of season 6 so I night be a little rusty, I do think your theory is plausible though and Dragon, yours too :3
+TheNotverysocial ACTUALLY I HAVE A THEORY maybe Celestia was using her magic, she is a natural alicorn after all, It is also possible that, well, that's it actually.
Had you seen my original comment? What you said is in effect what I said. Elections, coronations and the like catch and hold people's attention when they are on campaign, or the results are made official. Once the coronation or swearing takes place, it rapidly fades from the public's mind. People in general don't care about the government one way or another, as office is geographically so distant from them, it's out of mind out of sight. Tia is a special case. When you have a literal god on your hands, it tends to draw attention, especially when said god is not invisible. No matter how you slice it, the civilian residents of PV know Lu personally, which is more than can be said of any others. Besides, the changeling invasion and the shadow dude were defeated by the supporting guys. "D"'s havoc was by no means localized, and his conquering was in plain sight of any and all ponies who might have been in the vicinity, what with it being a public place. The only ones who downplay their accomplishments consistently are the urban ponies in Manehattan and Canterlot, largely due to having busy and fast moving lifestyles. They have frequent and constant business to attend to, they don't need to add unannounced royalty to their minds when they have enough to think about. The only thing that could be concealed without loose ends is the battle with Nightmare Moon. She only invaded PV, and her battle was in her old home in the forbidden forest. Only the CMC would willingly enter those woods.
That's my theory Princess Celestia is keeping all the fame to herself and making everyone in Equestria believe she is the one who saved Equestria a lot
She didnt
That would be so funny
i love how at every single MLP theory video i find on my feed now, i often have already watched it like 4 years ago and i still find my old comments.
I got mad at Celestia cuz she kept the EOH (Elements of harmony) hidden. And she didn't stand up for her sis or went with her in Nightmare Night to prove she's nice.
An intriguing hypothesis, but it's easily debunked. Perhaps the residents of PV are the only ones who saw Nightmare Moon in the flesh. Maybe the castle of the two sisters, being in the forbidden forest only the CMC like to enter keeps the average pony from venturing into it. It is there that Mane Six faced NMM and freed Lu. Isolated as the castle is, it's no wonder nopony saw it. This doesn't make the return of Princess Luna and the return and defeat of Nightmare Moon any less of a huge coincidence to sweep under the rug. PV has a major transit line running through it. While it is a small town with low population, it has loads of through traffic. The residents of PV know about Luna and Nightmare Moon. While most passers through don't stick around, surely they hear news from it. Nothing about Discord's reign of chaos and his subsequent defeat was in any way isolated to Ponyville or hidden in a lonely castle in the wilderness. The emotion eaters explanation was a sound one. They didn't stand a chance against the changelings. Mi Amore Cadence and Shining did this. Spike saved the Chrystal Empire, true. Then, this entire thing seemed to be one giant, prearranged test of Twilight's character, and the villain was more a force of nature than a sapient antagonist. Really Chrysalis is the only airtight explanation. No matter how well you keep it a secret from the rest of Equestrian societies, PV civilians know about them. In addition to recognizing Luna as the former Nightmare Moon on her night and Discord's defeat being in plain sight of its populace, they all watch the Mane Six fighting monsters in Slice of Life as if this is business as usual. With all these civilians evidently aware of them, do you honestly expect this info not to leak out? The best explanation can be best summed up in this question: Outside of over advertised election campaigns, do you really give much thought to politics? The names and faces in parliament and cabinet are very public, but your average joe does not know or care much about it. With officials so geographically far removed from us, they are out of sight and out of mind. They become relevant just enough for us to be aware they exist, but not often enough to constantly occupy our minds when we have countless other things on our minds. No matter how you slice it, the small townsfolk know them; the busy city ponies in Manehattan and Canterlot are too busy to notice or care.
wow, i didn't know you could make that long a reply
anyway, speaking as a non brony with kids (i'm a fan of brony stuff, not the cartoon) it's probably that celestia said the main...ok, "mane" 6 helped to save equestria, but no info was given more than that so the other ponies outside of ponyville really cared that much and those that do know more are more respected for what they normally do
Ah... shoot. I can't believe I forgot about the part where Ponyville's residents were watching the Mane6 fight off the Bugbear, especially when I used a clip from that episode that had to do with just that. >_<
Ah well... I'll just address that in a future episode or something. Ponyville's residents would definitely know what's up, but there's a good number of reasons why the info would stay contained within that town. As you pointed out, the busy city ponies in Manehattan and Canterlot wouldn't give much thought to what's essentially small town heroes, especially since none of the really high profile incidents happened in those cities. The really important details, however, (i.e., Elements of Harmony) were most likely kept a secret even from Ponyville.
Hmm... definitely going to have to hash this one out later on... >_>
P.S. I think everypony was too busy being affected by Discord's magic to get the exact details of what happened and how the Mane6 saved the day.
DragonTrainer201 Not so much as they were. Twilight and her friends really got the worst of it. Furthermore, while the representations are there, the elements are no more. They haven't been for three seasons. Whether anyone recalled or not would not be relevant one way or another. Given observation of ponies like Pinkie, Vinyl Scratch, and others like them who tend to turn up in unlikely locations, writing convenience covers everything. Well written as My Little Pony can be, there are poorly written eps, and many shows blow MLP out of the water. In any case, PV residents are on close terms with Luna like no other ponies save Tia are. Twilight's coronation was publicized and dropped much like elections are broadcast and forgotten to Americans. Only those PV residents seem to care or even mention it. And Starlight. And Sunset.
did u read/watch harry potter? because its not called the forbidden forest in map its the ever free forest. or ever green or something like that . i don't really care though. but possibly potter heads unite!.....? other wise pegasisters/ bronys unite!
LPS LoonyLunaLovegood I had. I intend to visit the theme park when the opportunity presents itself. It hasn't yet. I have seen a few eps of Littlest Pet Shop, and think it an enjoyable show in general. It doesn't have the elaborate original setting these other two have. Both have original and real settings alike. While original in name, all of Littlest Pet Shop is in a real world setting. I happen to be a major fan of the chipmunks.
Everyone in Ponyville knew Luna was Nightmare Moon.
Really?
@@cassiephillips9487 In season 2, yeah.
@@Ruby2P okay
because poor writing, there i saved you 7 min.
cheers mate
hey what's up!
There ya go.
At least it is a pretty good theory
fuck hes right
2:28 “Keep the elements out of the wrong hands"
Should I call that *The wrong “HOOVES"*😂😂😂😂😂
Your voice and accent always makes my day. Idk why but thank you
In the episode where RainbowDash gets into the wonderbolts, Spitfire says, "You saved Equestria, like, a billion times"
My first theory was this: S.M.I.L.E. erases everypony's memory. Just less in depth than your theory.
i suspect your right up to a point, however after the events with teric especialy given the castel apearing in the middle of ponyville, it was one thing when we thought ponyville was isolated but when we realized that it was literaly a stones throw from canterlot [you can see the freking castel from the edge of town] yeah...whats more celestia likely will have realized that her own secretiveness damned near doomed equestria, but forceing twilight not to reveal the plan to her freinds she in turn got those same freinds caught...too little information was just as damning as too much might have been...
I am assuming family are part of that select few.
Not a bad theory... a few problems with it, but nothing that Celestia can't apparently work around. Still doesn't explain why nopony recognizes the alicorn princess Twilight Sparkle though when she doesn't even try to hide her wings and got her own parade in Canterlot (not to mention was the official ruler of Equestria for a short time during the episode with the plundervines).
My own theory is that the whole Ponyville area is under a complicated and powerful version of the background spell, which has occurred naturally through a mix of the magics of the Tree of Harmony, the Elements of Harmony, the Everfree Forest's wild magic, Discord's chaos magic leftover in the forest (at least through the plundervines) and possibly the magical residue from Celestia's big fight against Nightmare Moon. Outside of Ponyville ponies and events from the town are largely ignored or quickly forgotten, and it helps the ponies living in town to adapt and live with the crazy things the town attracts more easily without going mad(der than they are already). Only ponies and creatures with considerable magical power, willpower or strong ties to Harmony/Destiny are somewhat immune against it.
A side effect might also be a "weirdness magnet" which leads to both extraordinary ponies and events gathering in this town, probably because if somepony pays enough attention to the town's existence to move there, it already implies they're extraordinary enough to resist the spell's effects.
When I first started watching you, I accidentally thought your armor was a raincoat! Lol!
princess trollestia
I like to believe that celestia also may have wiped the memories of many pony's, but all for the mane 6s safety
Damn you have such a cute voice :3
Damyen Le Fay ikr it is kawaii
Later in Season 7 their friendship lessons from a journal get leaked in the episode Fame And Misfortune, and that’s when everypony notices them a lot more. It’s only when information about the Mane 6 gets leaked that everypony notices and takes advantage, but all the other times they’re treated as regular ponies like average civilised people would do.
hay don' t forget about the other secrets the Celestia is hiding look discords past and king zombras past.
It's King Sombra not Zombra
Tara Perren
King Sombra is my favorite MLP villain he's better than the Storm King.
I just think that the ponies just mind their business. Unlike our people who stampede to the celebrity. Looking at season 9 now, the ponies still fan over Celestia and Luna but they don't bother them. I do agree that there is a secret organization though, they keep out unessesary panic.
(Yes ik the theory is old, but I may or may not have an answer)
Very interesting theory
OMG this is the best theory evahhh
ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED
This has recently come to my attention as well. This sorta helps me put my mind at ease.
Wow, never thought of that! Great theory!
Subscribed!
(are you a chimney sweeper? :D )
I'm still waiting for the name of the background music
ikr
Not sure what the name is, but this song plays during the montage of the CMC trying to earn their cutie marks before entering the talent show
When i realised how girly the stain glass was
I like this theory a lot. It's actually fairly reasonable that Celestia would keep all of these events secret. So maybe that thousand year period between Luna's Banishment and Luna's Return wasn't so peaceful after all. But why would Ponies in Manehatten dismiss Twilight as some kind of waif? She's a member of the Royal Pantheon. We see the not Statue of Liberty in Manehatten, so maybe the Ponies of Manehatten see the Alicorn ruling class as being restrictive/abusive by nature of them having all of the power.
AAAH AAAH MY EYES AAAAH AAH THAT OC AAAAH
Why would a book about the elements of harmony be in an public tree library
6:03 HE HAS MONSTER TEETH
(*loads panzergwerhr with fear*)
That's what I think Princess Celestia is keeping all the fame to herself and making everyone in Equestria believe she's the one who saved Equestria a dozen times
There are two Massive flaws with the theory. The Stained Glass windows are on the way to the Throne room. and the ball room. Ponies may get stuck out in the hall. and taking into account Sunset Shimmer was always saying she was Celestia Student and showing up everypony else, Twilight would be ignored. Minutte, twinkleshine, Lemonheart, and Lyra all knew Twilight's status. lyra was in ponyville for the first villain. and the big one:If nopony recognized Luna as nightmare moon which the Whole of Ponyville did in season 2 episode 4 the same place where nightmare moon first appeared. There is no way Celestia could have kept that information a secret without being a bad ruler.the answer was quite simple Ponyville was a small town.
Couple more things:
Equestria doesn't have 24/hr news cycle to inundate the public with superfluous information so the mindset of the average pony doesn't lend toward celebrity gossip.
Also possibly because of the mirror portals that Celestia and Starswirl explored (Comics and EQG) she's more aware of the loopholes within "freedom of the press" clauses that gave rise to invasive paparazzi and she nipped that B.S. in the bud before it could become a problem.
That way it's much easier for her to keep "black-ops" incidents from the public-at-large.
Ik this is years later, but what happens after they open the School of Friendship?
0:54 or Bon Bon is just messed up in the head... yeah I'm going with that..
With so many people begging for funding at the end of their videos lately, I love seeing the very unobtrusive, simple "Here's some links. Support if you want to" ending. Keep up the theories! :)
"Celestia limited public knowledge on the Mane Six's accomplishments..."
You mean things like that one time Pinkie "accidentally a war" with a buffalo tribe? (Insert Meme Here)
wel good luck NOT SEEING TWILIGHTS WINGS
Some ponies do, and some don't. I agree, I really don't see how someone can miss them.
I think that season 6 shows that they are fairly well known as having saved Equestria multiple times. Ponies just don't seem to give them any special privilege for it. We saw it with the Wonderbolts and Sunburst seemed highly impressed with Starlight being Twilight's student and even Fluttershy's brother seemed to aknowledge it.
Wonderbolts were created to be part of the military. They would be in the know of important events and persons in the world.
Starlight is the student of Twilight, an alicorn. Alicorns are basically living gods.
The family of the mane six would probably also be told of their importance.
3:00 Never mind all that!
And maybe one of the main 6 will know all the info about that and i think it's "pinkie pie" maybe she was ohsen to hide all the info while celielstia will hide the elements this is why pinkie knows everything in epuwesria girls and friendship is magic)
And only the most royal pinsess will know.
Omg finally someone understands me 👏🏼
'Nightmare Moon was defeated, Princess Luna he's returned. Don't ask how or why, just shut up and enjoy the party!' So clever!! I die every time I hear that!!
Have you ever played Skyrim the same thing happens as well Twilight Sparkle and her friends are never recognized as Equestria's heroes because the Mane Six are like the Dragonborn player character
4:18 yes
I think Princess Celestia is keeping all the heroism to herself and lying to everyone in Equestria and telling everyone that she did all the heroic deeds herself that's why nobody in Equestria recogizes the Mane Six as Equestria's heroes
*leaves comment bellow:
What if not even Celestia and Luna themselves actually know everything?
The rest are merely given the details releveant to their job and position.
from the mlp episode "sweet and elite" in the scene where rarity is at the wonderbolts race, and when she mentions rainbow dash and why she says rainbow is the captain of the wonderbolts, rarity had a look that she was trying 2 make up a lie. this evidence can partially back up ur theory
what about in magical mystery cure at Twilight's coronation when Celestia says 'even reuniting me with my sister, princess Luna'?
Do you not now The Mane 6 are connected to the Elements Of Harmony
The only thing is that in I think ‘rainbow crash’ one of the wonder bolts mentions rainbow dash has saved Equestria
What you are saying does make a lot of sense in my book, I plan on going with your explanation.
this is might be wrong because if no pony knew about the mane six saving the day then what about when Zephyr Breeze says in "Flutter Brutter" and I quote "you've saved equestria like, a hundred times". This is probably just because Zephyr is Fluttershy's brother and she would tell him, but in the beginning of the episode we see that Fluttershy seems to want to avoid Zephyr. If she's always trying to avoid him I doubt she would tell him, and trust him enough to tell him that she is THE BARRIER OF ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL EQUESTRIAN ITEMS.
I am so happy because this sounds like the iconic butternut squash that is Neville longbottom from potter puppet pals!
I have a theory that may or may not be against yours. The reason the citizens of Ponyville don't recognize them for their accomplishments (defeating Discord, restoring Luna, fighting Tirek, so on and so forth) is due in large part to the Elements themselves. The Elements of Harmony are an all powerful magical force that, if used for evil, could likely destroy Equestria. If you think about it, each of the Mane 6, plus Starlight and Sunset (though she's safe from this, being in the human world), are single. If Prince Blueblood, for one, knew of Rarity's accomplishments as the Element of Generosity, as well as the power that element holds, he would likely do everything he could to be in Rarity's good favor. He would dote on her. Fawn over her. Effectively, he would be the prince she thought he was. Kind, loving, absolutely perfect, just the way she pictured him. And once they were married, had a couple kids, he'd use her. Her element, tied to the other elements, would be used to, likely usurp Celestia so that HE could rule Equestria. When he had what he wanted, he'd toss her aside. Perhaps even have her killed so the elements couldn't be used against him later. Another idea is possibly Celestia herself using her magic to remove the memories of the Mane 6 from the minds of the Equestrian citizens, to protect their identities as well as their families. Think of it this way, if an enemy of Canterlot, the Crystal Empire or Ponyville (now that it's basically a kingdom) knew who Applejack, Rarity, or any of the rest of them were, who do you think they would target. Knowing the minds of bad guys like I do, they would target Applebloom, Sweetie Belle, Granny, Big Mac, Scootaloo, Fluttershy's parents, Twilight's parents, and Rainbow's parents. Bad guys don't think in the same morals we do as normal people. If they knew the families of the mares that were stopping them at every turn, their lives would be in danger. A mind erasing spell would be the safest option.
ok plz record ur voice saying "yes master" because u sound like the guy from that movie
“When was the last time you looked at a stained glass window long enough to figure out what was going in it?!?”
Ummm last time I went past a church
You touch on a theme that has been bugging me for a while -at which point Twilight went from one of many students to Princess candidate?
Was she already the first before she defeated Nightmare Moon? Most assume yes, but I'd say no.
old vid, but everyone knows spike!
They do recognized them especially spoke he is a big thing in the crystal empire
XD
Let's start from the very beginning,
A very good place to start...
Who gets the reference...
I started singing this when he said let's start form the very beginning.
what about the fact that twilight is a princess now, the "princess of friendship". Her element is magic. also, idk if this episode came out when this video was published, but in flutter brutter fluttershy's brother mentions how shes been on the ends of equestria. But then again it is her brother.
still doesn't excuse ponies not knowing Twilight is a princess when she's a freaking ALICORN! I don't care how little is known about her in anyway, the ponies know Celestia is an Alicorn and that Alicorns are royalty, since Cadance is recognised. If you're speaking with a pony who is clearly an Alicorn, i don't care if you don't know them, you treat them like royalty, damn it!
Autum Breeze Twilight asked other ponies to NOT treat her like a Princess
Taylor Davis Umm who did Twilight ask? She only asked her friends not to treat them like royalty
Autum Breeze IKR! I couldnt agree with u more!!
My theory is that Princess Celestia is keeping all the fame to herself and everyone else thinks she saved Equestria a lot
What about Twilight being an Alicorn? She doesn't seem to get much recognition normally as an Alicorn let alone a princess. In some episodes she does but not to many that I've noticed, is it because she's the princess of friendship so most ponies don't care as much?
I like your vids, Dragontrainer, but don't use Pony Generator for your pony. Hire an artist, or perhaps draw stuff yourself. Pony generator is good for getting a general idea for your pony. This is not a hate comment, just advice. You just earned another sub! ^-^
In the latest episode ponies don't seem to realize that Twilights an alicorn she still gets pushed around.
Uh..they had a gaint cernimony after saving equtrioan from Discord AND there was a line in one episode recently that actual said they saved equestria. so yeah
What about the friendship journal? Wouldn't the ponies know their stories then. Let me know. Share comment or agree with me.
why are u wearing a dress
Cristal Sunrize it's armor
*with lisp* it is not a dress, it is a tunic.
@@amberdolphin1210 really? I thought he was a member of the winged hussars.
My theory might be why they’re overlooked is probably for good reason.
One episode: Fame and Misfortune.
well in flutter brutter or whatever it's called, zepher recognised fluttershy and rainbow saving equestria 'a dozen times' so hes an ordinary and dare i say simple, pony. and you can't say fluttershy told him cos she never talks about her accomplishments and the rest of them probably haven't even properly met zepher so would barely know him and wouldn't be like hey we saved equestria a dozen times and rainbow seems to know zepher well but everytime they encounter, from what we've seen, he just flirts with her and she just looks annoyed or shocked
if its kept as a secret then explain how in the episode where Rainbow Dash becomes a actual wonderbolt how one pony says and I quote "You saved equestrian like a million times" I'm sure that pony wasn't refuting to the episode where Rainbow is determined to be a better hero then the rest of the mane 6 in costume
It's kind of simple. Rumours may of been spread about the mane 6 and like Chinese whispers. The information is wrong lols. Or it is secret. I mean hardly anyone leaves ponyville and a lot of the actions happen while no one knows. And also yes celestial secrets
i also think the alicorn potion is one of Celestia's secret.... Zecora just happen to have that all the sudden hmmmmm what if she was given it by Celestia that was like dont ask but you made it and make twilight drink it the fate of equestria depends on it....
My comment is....
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What About Spike? He is recognized as a hero to the Crystal Ponies!
I felt like starlight glimmer is just acting to find how the powerful magic of friendship is. Different from sunset shimmer, she just changes her mind while sunset actually saves the day. But in the episode that trixie and starlight became friends, it really show the point that starlight and trixie aren't acting that episode. But in the other episodes of starlight's lessons, she seems a bit odd. Maybe she's acting and trying to find out about the powerful magic of friendship to try and rule some city or the world again. 🌍=🔥 evil starlight.
Unless the princess made pinky pinky promise then I think she would tell everybody remember the episode where she found out that shining armour and cadence were having a baby it was so hard for her to keep a secret just for one day but really could she keep a secret for that long
Good theory, but In season 4-6 everyone in Cantorlot or Manehatten or any popular city, Twilight is a Alicorn, But nopony notices, If u get an answer, pls put this on a video, thx it's just a theory I've always had
Twilight should have gotten way more credit of it weren't for Twilight Cadence would have never escaped .
They made a glass window about them in the palace
Only teletubbies can recognize them.
OK, but what did Equestria's parliament think of this?
What about just going Men In Black style and messing with their memories. Twillight back when she was a simple unicorn could alter the minds of the majority of ponyville in lesson zero. Cellestia could probaly make everyone who saw forget.
But Fleetfoot said to Rainbow Dash in the episode Newbie Dash. Fleetfoot: And you've saved all of Equestria like, a dozen times. How did he know!
Well, the wonderbolts were originally created to be part of the military, and it would be safe to assume that the members would be drafted into to military if a conflict were to take place. An elite flying team would probably be in the know about the important events and persons in the world.
There's a theory stating Rainbow wasn't made a wonderbolt much earlier despite her talent because they knew what the mane 6 had done, so they waited longer to avoid it looking like favouritism. She had to gain her place like any other cadet.
In other words, they always knew it all, but kept the secret until she was part of them. That's why Spitfire never mentions the times she was saved by Rainbow.
most of the time though the mane 6 will take credit for things they didn't do like the Canterlot Wedding in the seoson 5 finally or take credit for Sombra in those same two episodes
For the question "could Princess Celestia really be responsible for a massive cover up?" My response is "is the United States government responsible for covering up the Roswell incident?" Because what really happened on the Roswell, New Mexico ranch in the 1940s?
Because of the speed of timeline.
Makes sense but um what's your theory on how Zepher in Season 6 could have known as he said "When have you ever failed? You've literally saved Equestria like a dozen times" to Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash. I'm curious ^_^