Idk man it seems you looking for things in all the wrong places if you think that's what rust is There are pve servers if you feel like singing koombaja around a campfire
@@critamine agree 100%. me and my buddies only play once BP wipes happen and play for like 3 days. Towards the end we just waste c4 and rockets bc we all want to quit. very tiring and draining game lmao.
I love rust, i love the competative nature but i dont think rust is a esports game and i think it never will be without changing key aspects of the game. Great video though!
Yeah I had almost thrown in the argument if Facepuch wanted to make an esport they could take some of the aspects for Rust and throw it into a new game.
@@JackShephardTV Rust is not short enough to be an esport. Now if they created a gamemode that condenses the game mechanics to be able to play a full game from prim to advanced to be about 1-2 hours long then it could work. I would say that RUST goes beyond being an E-Sport right now simply because to be good at it you have to dedicated entire days toward playtime.
With the amount of secondary content in Rust steadily growing I can see it pick up if they'd solve the rampant connectivity and cheating issues but we're closer than ever before.
@@ProjectBongo yeah but you’ll be using the venue PC and you have real security to check you on your designated place which is better. I hear very less LAN comps to have cheaters. And cheaters is not only in FPS 😂
@@ProjectBongo That actually solves all the issues, cheaters aren't that smart. The people behind the software are but most cheaters are just sweat lords who have no life and browse forums for the latest hacker client and then spends money to ruin someone elses day. Sad lives they live
I think Twitch Rivals is really close to nailing what competitive Rust should look like. Multiple-Day events are a must, but changing the format daily isn't really a great way to do it. Raid day is the best content by far. They need to just have raid day rounds, and tally dogtags at the end of each day.
Just stumbled upon your channel and watched this video,then proceeded to watch everyone of your videos, keep up the awesome work, you instantly become one of my favorites and can't wait till your next video...
The recoil update was to hide the cheaters rather than point them out like the old recoil system did. Before, you could tell right away when someone cheated, but now everyone is a beamer so its a lot harder to tell who is cheating and who is not.
@@grimmow187 your point makes no sense when every single game has a hard learning curve you can't get on rocket league for example and become ssl (the highest rank) in a short amount of time its just not possible
As someone with over 15k hours in Rust and as someone who has played it since 2014, I can assure you that absolutely no one in the Rust community has ever thought for even a second that it would become an eSport. This entire documentary is like... essentially what 3 or 4 people thought, for like a week, and then realized how dumb it was. Like I legit think whoever made this video put more effort into making the video than the entire Rust community, combined, has put in effort to make it an eSport. Even the events he showed that youtubers failed on were not competitive events. At all. They were literally just fun events for the Rust community. OTV and shit had no "winners", it wasn't a competition. So much on this documentary is just.. misleading and wrong.
Rust is a sandbox game and its progression was designed in a way that it takes days for you to have everything. If you try to speed things up like they do in these events, it just becomes a regular shooter with base building
"why wasn't rust an e-sport?" exactly like you said, the game wasnt built around being an e-sport, nor was it expected it to be one. it should've never even been considered an e-sport.
Original rust didn't have the preset spray pattern. I stopped playing when they implemented it around 2017. It was too easy to script which widely opened the door for cheaters. Removing it again was one of the best things they could have done.
They could just do Rust hardcore mode and everyone starts at the same time spaced out across a smaller map. You could also add variants like starting with primitive tools and a 15 minute grace period. Then give away their locations when there's a certain amount of people left. Never mind this probably wouldn't work
That mp5 was only reskinned, not a new spawn and the event failed because of a few specific members of a team, with big numbers but small brain, some drama queens.
Appreciate the heads up if that's the case. I was going off what the accusations were from multiple news outlets, in what I had saw it seemed everyone had down played them spawning in something since the event had technically "ended".
The Twitch Rivals thing needed much more explanation. They spanish team got dumpstered, leaned heavily on the toxic traits from some of the US streamers to try and bait reactions. Then complained about it being unfair while trying to stay clear of controversy themselves.
Rust is already a good platform for a esport, you can easily mod things to work the way you want it to! You could easily add in Search and Destroy type modes with a 5v5 arena where players have more health but damage output is changed
I used to be a social media manager and then a production manager for a esports focused company. As a big fan of rust I thought it was going to be something that would make the business money and would of been a great esports event. (I had Rust influencers lined up and were all ready spent months going back and forward with Rustopia admin) The CEO didnt like the idea as the game didnt have a "cult following" about a month later I was dragged into a meeting with the CEO getting shouted at because I didnt push the event more and because Twitch beat us to the punch. Its not always about the community its about the #1 thing. MONEY MONEY MONEY.
I went to the DMG Rust event with my cousin! i payed for vip and never got any of the perks. I was really excited to meet bchillz, and was let down. BUT, my awesome dad was upset i didnt get my money's worth, so he contacted Bchillz directly and told him what had happened. My dad offered to give them a ride to the airport and they accepted. So i thought we were just going home but we swung by a fancy hotel and my dad was like wait a second. a few mins later bchillz showed up with his brother skinnychillz and his wife. I got to ask him questions and talk to him for the 30 min ride to ATL airport. bchillz's wife bought us mcdonalds and we took pics and then they left. he added my steam but years after unadded sadly. Very cool people, and i liked the event even though i didnt get my vip perks. i even was able to enter into the tournament and i one a a round but didn't get farther than that. also got an extremely awkward photo me me and Keemstar lol. i looked so outa place being one of the only 13 year olds there
Hey Orion! If your reading this please let your Dad know, he is kickass! That is such a cool story, and I'm super happy he got to give you justice, and great job to Dave (Bchillz) for doing such a good job in making it a memorable experience. This was such a great story to read man, thanks for sharing.
Yeah of course I was super hyped to see a video over all the rust tournaments that had happened. I actually saw me and my cousin in a clip of it lol. But yeah Dave was super awesome and he answered all my questions and was super cool. Skinny and Dave’s wife were all really really nice people and it was all around one of my best childhood memories. Great video too this didn’t feel like content coming from a channel with almost 2k subs, shit is quality keep it up man
I'll enter the rust history books as a Rust Roleplayer that plays solo and completely destroys the competition as means of them always messing up my disco parties... "Never mess with that guys disco party" - lone survivor
Great content! Very well balanced and insightful. The documentary style is perfect for articulating the happenings of this game and I truly hope you continue down this path and document more of the stories going on in the community. Cheers!
Ark Survival had held a tournament before in their Survival Of The Fittest but the 1 match literally took 5 hours long and lots of things has been overhauled since
Yeah there's always been drama with OTV & regular Rusr creators. It makes sense to broaden the horizons but this usually leads to drama. Great insights
All things aside its hard to determine who wins, a clan with the biggest base could be raided, but a solo with a small hidden 1x1 gets through the wile unraided, who won?
Nice video Jack, enjoying what you're doing, after all the drama with TCWars, Base Invaders etc with Aussie, myself, Navy and everyone I'm just glad to see that its were it is now with Trust in Rust raising so much money and becoming as big as it has.
Nice to see a familiar face man. Yeah I'm happy Base Invaders ended up doing well. I always give credit to charity stuff as it has the biggest impact and I think that was the best possible outcome with it, compared to the "esports" cliche. Hope you're well man.
Nice to see you again Sam, glad you remember. If you want to catch up man send me a message on discord at Jack Shephard#0001, will be building one this summer.
Cool history lesson for me! since i never got into that side of it (competitions) and tbh, i think i arrived afterwards most of those events anyway.... To me Rust is AMAZING, in that it's MANY THINGS in one!... It can be a building and crafting, innovating delight (ppl who like to craft amazing based, electronics and now industrial automation stuff), it can be an incredible PvP environment, there's plenty of PvE challenges, there is a *_constant_* treasure-hunting element that makes it super-compelling, not to mention 'raiding'.... I could go on forever - It's multi-dimensional and there must be at least 100 play-styles! My only gripe is that FP destroyed Tier 1 and Tier 2 PROGRESSION, to get to Tier 3, because nowadays, you can easily get to Tier 3 on day 1 of a wipe...
Uve really found a niche market in this space one that needed to be filled because there's so many people who play rust or enjoy rust content but weren't around for alot of it like me I'm so curious about rusts past but no one seems to want to chronical it. I say keep doing what ur doing this shits gonna be big
Thanks man, If you thought this was a great video you'll be excited for the History of Rust clans coming out this summer. From 2015 - 2023. You're in for a real treat!
Pros of esport: I would have found out about it earlier. I don't play videogames much at all, and only just realised that it existed a week ago. Now I'm kind of obsessed. Cons of esport: mainstream success means that it gets sanitised and nobody can use gamer words any more or have a proper laugh without people writing articles about it. The old internet vibes and lack of politics are refreshing.
I love rust and would love to be as good at it as i am with other games but holy fuck is it one of the WORST games for combat. Animations don't line up with gameplay (the AK doesn't fill with bullet until half a second after you finishthe reload animation and pulling out guns takes an eternity before you can finally fire a shot), some sounds are way too similar to player movement, recoil from a standing and crouched position is stupidly different, delays between audio and projectiles, delays between projectile models and their actual hitbox, getting shot behind corners, you're body not lining up with what you see, weapon attachments that hurt your gun more than they help, AI, animal AI, projectile invalids, nighttime, spread on your first shot with most weapons. If it didn't feel like ass i would be inclined to put hundreds more hours into it to become good but why would i do that when it feels like shit now?
The spanish team was fine with the event when they were winning. But then wanted all this extra help and rule changes when they started losing. They cried the whole time. Honestly they were just shitty people about the event.
Love the video you made jack it’s very well made. I would of love to see the involvement you had also in making rust a esport as you hosted tournaments if ur own also and can be thank for some of the success that base invaders has today and trust in rust. Base invader would of never been a thing if it wasn’t for TC Wars and ur involvement in it
Hey Proxy! Appreciate the support. Good to see you man, yeah I considered on including it. It's funny cause I think a lot of people who've watched my videos think I might of just researched the videos, and didn't actually witness the events myself or was apart of them. I try to stay a lot more humble these days then you might of seen me previously back in the day, I think at some point in the future I'll likely discuss it if I do more content regarding my history for Rust. If you ever want to catch up, I'm a message away. Jack Shephard#0001.
As someone who's been playing Rust since 2013, when I was in the 6th grade, I never considered Rust even adjacent to esports and never heard about this.
This is an interesting historical narrative, but overall this is a miniscule bump in the history of Rust, not really significant. It should have been framed more of a narrative of streaming culture rather than a Rust narrative. Rust was never an esport, always was a sandbox game and could never work as an esport.
I haven't really caught any of these events live so maybe I'm missing something, but I think Rust *could* be used to create great eSport games. I get the simplicity of the dog tags, but it doesn't seem like a good way to determine a winner in a game that's about so much more than racking up kills. Also, it seems like they kept trying to go bigger either via more people or more popular streamers, which may have contributed to some of the issues.
(having not yet seen the video to have an uninfluenced say) my own personal opinion into why rust failed as an ESport is that unlike other games, Rust breeds toxicity like nothing else can. Toxicity is rewarded when you create a good trap base, door camp an enemy or just not play nice with your neighbors. Kindness and Trust are almost always seen as a weakness to be exploited by others. even by giving someone a pistol, you've already informed them you're capable of making guns and have a decent amount of resources, which paints a target on your back.
Good video mate BTW - Rustoria Base Invaders is now monthly and though it has its fair share of issues it is ran by a highly dedicated team and makes for a good stream to watch, and a great event to play
Thanks for the support man, Yeah I think things have slowed down for how long the events been around. Saw your casting stuff though and it looks really good we defiantly need some more Rust Casters. I hope to see you cast Twitch Rivals some day my guy.
@@JackShephardTV Thanks dude! haha that would be amazing but they tend to hire successful streamers and content creators over experienced casters which is totally chill with me, they do a great job. I have an idea for a rust youtube channel though all i need is time and money
Yeah, idk about Esports, but it's definitely fun watching POVs on Vital or Affinity. Literally just watched a video of a group on Vital EU getting merge raided by 7 clans. 133 vs 23. What a game lol
Rust is the best competitive game to date. It's not easy to just be good like call of duty etc. It takes a lot of time to get good which I like. Face punch constantly updates the game with new and interesting things. They keep it fresh and interesting.
Nope that title belongs to fortnite cause mechanic wise fortnite is just harder and actually has a comp scene I do agree rust takes alot of time to be good as well tho
@@slayerzz3725 eh i disagree fortnite being harder purely because in rust if you dont have the same team size the game becomes much harder fighting a 1v3 every time you get into a fight, depends on how you play it though
@littlecreeper85 nah fortnite takes the most mechanical skill plus game knowledge and aim and in a competitive setting endgames can have up to 80 people scrimming in a small circle u need to know when to take a fight, when to rotate, when to change layers, when to go for height, making sure you have enough mats or knowing when to risk it for a refresh and so much more fortnite is harder than any game alot of people don't like fortnite and thats cool but it 100% takes the most skill out of any game atm tbh that's why so many people quit when everyone started to get really good and in a casual setting its usually not that hard mostly because of skill based matchmaking in pubs but I'm speaking about comp I'm not saying 1v3s in rust are easy either just playing comp fortnite in 2023 is way harder
@@slayerzz3725 yea but to be fair, since all players are playing the same game every single game takes skill at the higher leagues, rust is one where it’s hard since it just wasn’t made to be an esports game so you constantly have good players vs bad players, I think most games would have the same skill problem if there were similar top players as all of what makes the game hard is how good your opponent is, if you both suck it doesent matter how hard or easy the game is, the fight would still be fair for you. Similarly if you have 2 incredibly good players it would have the same skill requirement even if the game is super easy to learn or super hard to learn, this works great with skill based match making but in a game like rust it can seem incredibly easy or incredibly hard since you can fight legit anyone of any skill level
Hey Bart! Yes I absolutely remember you. You were one of the main guys on Villa in 2016-2017. Also when I started doing TH-cam stuff back then I always use to ask you for feedback and you were brutally honest haha. Hopefully I've improved a bit. If you ever want to catch up join my discord man or add me Jack Shephard#0001. Hope you've been well man.
It’s not a failure it’s just that rust is so good that it doesn’t need to be an esport that’s why it’s so addicting leave the game how it is that’s why I keep coming back to the game
I think the main reason why rust never became an esport is because the lack of support from Facepunch. Not only did they not support the organization of such events, the updates were also so random and had nothing to do with optimizing the game to become an esport.
There have been rust “E sport” tournaments. Nothing crazy tho I think the most I’ve seen was a couple grand. Servers just couldn’t handle it along with the issues of cheating it was hard to vett everyone and when money was on the line a lot of people would ESP bases. It would never be a real esport because unlike other games it’s a sandbox and would be hard to structure competition
i don’t think rust was ever meant to be an esport. but weeklong tournament type things have been quite fun. the problem is the game is just not set up to be a type of show thing.
@@maynardcornchowder5878 steamcommunity.com/id/jackshephardofficial/screenshots/ Yes that is me. Nice to see you again. I plan on doing some more hotels this summer.
Jesus Christ I’m not one to judge the TH-camr but you’re wrong rust would be a E-sport if it stayed to what it is now just with leader boards. They are trying to add game modes and this this and the other keep rust the same as it is and base it off three categories (kills,TC’s taken,most loot) three different prizes that split out from the grand prize like they make it more harder then it should loot can be taken into affect on last day where only team leaders hop on to show off the loot. Leaderboards for kills that don’t count animals scientists or friendly players and also a leaderboard that totals all players in the group for tcs taken out that wipe if it’s a 1-3 day event. With these types of things idk how it could fail literally they are over thinking all of this shit and that’s why it’s failing as of right now
Hey man, I agree with your points. I address a lot of this stuff at the end of the video, and my next video is a follow up to a lot of what you said. Thanks for watching!
@@JackShephardTV awesome I’ll be here for the next video and you did have some good points thought through out the whole thing and I could’ve reworded that better thanks for the response 🙌❤️
Jack, love to see you pumping good docu style vids about rust, I could absolutely see your channel booming if you continue to ride this train. Thanks for the content ❤hopefully my views and sub mean something to the homie
Thank you Mark, your comment means a lot man. I've craved doing this for so long, so reading things like this means the world to me. Glad you guys enjoy it.
It’s surprising rust hasn’t dominated E sports considering how competitive the actual game is. There needs to be a couple changes from the actual vanilla game tho bc it can be difficult to watch if you don’t actually play .
The main issue with this is that alot of people would be exposed for closet cheating. The current “competetive” scene in rust is and has always been filled with cheaters, the reason groups are superior to others is because they have people esping and soft aiming for an advantage. TH-camrs such as Tacularr, Fast etc. have been known for being in private cheater discords and if they were to be in an e-sports type league their performance would be significantly worse than in their content. This would be the case with several other players.
"been known for being in private cheaters discords" Stop the cap hahaha you dont know shit dude he has 15 - 20k hours and been grinding nonestop obviously hes gonna be better then 99.99% of the player base.
@@ss-wr9yg tacularr and taunted were both paying thousands a year when they played together for private cheats lol, you dont know shit about what goes on behind the scenes so keep your mouth shut mate
@@druskee2380 it was about a year ago or so but its still blatant in his videos that he is closet esping, i used to closet cheat for many big groups and some youtubers playstyles almost matches mine
Whats crazy is all the streamers that did rust conquest in 2016 have the same amount of subscribers 7 years later. They havent grown at all and there is no esports at all
In all fairness just because something is competitive doesn't mean it should be a sport, I think it's way better suited for events since it's a survival game after all
A game that never ends isn’t a sport it’s literally a lifestyle
Haha, completely agree.
Said this a lot and came here to say something like it. I wonder if the nuke silo update is hoping to be a directive objective to address this.
like minecraft lol
meth is also a lifestyle
@Point A2B was thinking the same thing
Rust is truly an experiment in human decency and we have all failed.
I still show kindness to people, but I carry a boom boom stick and unload every gun I see.
Miserably - but in safe zones you can find everything. It’s when you go survival that things go left.
Idk man it seems you looking for things in all the wrong places if you think that's what rust is
There are pve servers if you feel like singing koombaja around a campfire
I started playing Rust just to understand people in SHTF situations better.
What I learned is, the children have to be removed first.
Rust is the video game equivalent of Lord of the flies
Rust isn't just a E-Sport,it's a lifestyle.
Someone already said that
@@critamine agree 100%. me and my buddies only play once BP wipes happen and play for like 3 days. Towards the end we just waste c4 and rockets bc we all want to quit. very tiring and draining game lmao.
“They’re sending me pictures of dogs…. Saying your next meal” LMFAO ONLY THE RUST COMMUNITY 💀
It's where we dump all the toxic players in other games. Rust is a punishment, not a reward.
@@cyberwarlord7363 that line seems very rewardingly funny tho
I love rust, i love the competative nature but i dont think rust is a esports game and i think it never will be without changing key aspects of the game. Great video though!
Yeah I had almost thrown in the argument if Facepuch wanted to make an esport they could take some of the aspects for Rust and throw it into a new game.
@@JackShephardTV Rust is not short enough to be an esport. Now if they created a gamemode that condenses the game mechanics to be able to play a full game from prim to advanced to be about 1-2 hours long then it could work. I would say that RUST goes beyond being an E-Sport right now simply because to be good at it you have to dedicated entire days toward playtime.
@@gtas321 they have modded servers for that
With the amount of secondary content in Rust steadily growing I can see it pick up if they'd solve the rampant connectivity and cheating issues but we're closer than ever before.
They need to curb all the hackers before they even think about making this game an esport.
It'll never happen. FPSs are one of the most cheater filled gaming genres its best just to not play them and pick something else.
@@ProjectBongo Nope. Make it LAN during comp. Easy.
@@ProjectBongo yeah but you’ll be using the venue PC and you have real security to check you on your designated place which is better. I hear very less LAN comps to have cheaters. And cheaters is not only in FPS 😂
Cheater get bans after hours or mins while other fps games takes months to days to ban someone
@@ProjectBongo That actually solves all the issues, cheaters aren't that smart. The people behind the software are but most cheaters are just sweat lords who have no life and browse forums for the latest hacker client and then spends money to ruin someone elses day. Sad lives they live
The top Rust players that aren't on YT would NEVER leave their desk chair to play in an e-sport setting.
I think Twitch Rivals is really close to nailing what competitive Rust should look like. Multiple-Day events are a must, but changing the format daily isn't really a great way to do it. Raid day is the best content by far. They need to just have raid day rounds, and tally dogtags at the end of each day.
Yeah. Came to comment this. Twitch Rivals does a fine job imo.
It can’t be an esport because it’s a 24/7 game.. you can’t hop in for 1 hour and have a match.
raid sim?
@@BraydenBomb2006 you can do raid sim but they won't be playing actual Rust.
Just stumbled upon your channel and watched this video,then proceeded to watch everyone of your videos, keep up the awesome work, you instantly become one of my favorites and can't wait till your next video...
Appreciate you man, wanted to try something new with this style of content. Happy you like it and I was able to do it justice.
The recoil update was to hide the cheaters rather than point them out like the old recoil system did. Before, you could tell right away when someone cheated, but now everyone is a beamer so its a lot harder to tell who is cheating and who is not.
not really. perfecting your spray just wasn't fun game design. nobody enjoyed thousand hours in aimtrains.
@@grimmow187 your point makes no sense when every single game has a hard learning curve you can't get on rocket league for example and become ssl (the highest rank) in a short amount of time its just not possible
@@grimmow187 I disagree, the small or large effort put into the recoil made the headshots satisfying and made it like a challenge to learn it
As someone with over 15k hours in Rust and as someone who has played it since 2014, I can assure you that absolutely no one in the Rust community has ever thought for even a second that it would become an eSport. This entire documentary is like... essentially what 3 or 4 people thought, for like a week, and then realized how dumb it was. Like I legit think whoever made this video put more effort into making the video than the entire Rust community, combined, has put in effort to make it an eSport. Even the events he showed that youtubers failed on were not competitive events. At all. They were literally just fun events for the Rust community. OTV and shit had no "winners", it wasn't a competition. So much on this documentary is just.. misleading and wrong.
Appreciate the feedback.
Rust is a sandbox game and its progression was designed in a way that it takes days for you to have everything. If you try to speed things up like they do in these events, it just becomes a regular shooter with base building
Players have end game stuff 3 hours into the wipe. Dont kid yourself…
@@leonidaspereirafilho499 yes 2 oil rig loot and a 2x1..
"why wasn't rust an e-sport?" exactly like you said, the game wasnt built around being an e-sport, nor was it expected it to be one. it should've never even been considered an e-sport.
Original rust didn't have the preset spray pattern. I stopped playing when they implemented it around 2017. It was too easy to script which widely opened the door for cheaters. Removing it again was one of the best things they could have done.
imo game was much more fun with the hard ish recoil patterns
They could just do Rust hardcore mode and everyone starts at the same time spaced out across a smaller map. You could also add variants like starting with primitive tools and a 15 minute grace period. Then give away their locations when there's a certain amount of people left. Never mind this probably wouldn't work
Bro changed mind and still commented lol
@cap it sounds good in your head until you realize it's rust and every game would be camping your peak downs with GL and rockets 😂
No one would ever progress to guns this way, unless it was highly modded
Twitch Rivals
They just had a tournament less than a week ago. $100k in prizes.
That mp5 was only reskinned, not a new spawn and the event failed because of a few specific members of a team, with big numbers but small brain, some drama queens.
Appreciate the heads up if that's the case. I was going off what the accusations were from multiple news outlets, in what I had saw it seemed everyone had down played them spawning in something since the event had technically "ended".
A hacker got my account banned permanently now I’m thinking of spoofing + hacking to get revenge on the devs
The Twitch Rivals thing needed much more explanation. They spanish team got dumpstered, leaned heavily on the toxic traits from some of the US streamers to try and bait reactions. Then complained about it being unfair while trying to stay clear of controversy themselves.
Yeah I should of extended it more on that might make a part possibly since quite a lot of controversy happened again this time.
Spain pitching a bitch fit is kind of a tradition at this point. I think it's hilarious.
tbh Rust is one of the Most competitive games even without E-Sports
Rust is already a good platform for a esport, you can easily mod things to work the way you want it to! You could easily add in Search and Destroy type modes with a 5v5 arena where players have more health but damage output is changed
I used to be a social media manager and then a production manager for a esports focused company.
As a big fan of rust I thought it was going to be something that would make the business money and would of been a great esports event. (I had Rust influencers lined up and were all ready spent months going back and forward with Rustopia admin) The CEO didnt like the idea as the game didnt have a "cult following" about a month later I was dragged into a meeting with the CEO getting shouted at because I didnt push the event more and because Twitch beat us to the punch.
Its not always about the community its about the #1 thing. MONEY MONEY MONEY.
Your recent content has just sucked me in and I’m enjoying it! Please keep doing what you’re doing :)
Please keep posting I love learning more about a game I’m passionate about
Thanks my guy! There's a new video coming out Saturday I think you will enjoy.
I went to the DMG Rust event with my cousin! i payed for vip and never got any of the perks. I was really excited to meet bchillz, and was let down. BUT, my awesome dad was upset i didnt get my money's worth, so he contacted Bchillz directly and told him what had happened. My dad offered to give them a ride to the airport and they accepted. So i thought we were just going home but we swung by a fancy hotel and my dad was like wait a second. a few mins later bchillz showed up with his brother skinnychillz and his wife. I got to ask him questions and talk to him for the 30 min ride to ATL airport. bchillz's wife bought us mcdonalds and we took pics and then they left. he added my steam but years after unadded sadly. Very cool people, and i liked the event even though i didnt get my vip perks. i even was able to enter into the tournament and i one a a round but didn't get farther than that. also got an extremely awkward photo me me and Keemstar lol. i looked so outa place being one of the only 13 year olds there
Hey Orion!
If your reading this please let your Dad know, he is kickass! That is such a cool story, and I'm super happy he got to give you justice, and great job to Dave (Bchillz) for doing such a good job in making it a memorable experience. This was such a great story to read man, thanks for sharing.
Yeah of course I was super hyped to see a video over all the rust tournaments that had happened. I actually saw me and my cousin in a clip of it lol. But yeah Dave was super awesome and he answered all my questions and was super cool. Skinny and Dave’s wife were all really really nice people and it was all around one of my best childhood memories. Great video too this didn’t feel like content coming from a channel with almost 2k subs, shit is quality keep it up man
"The biggest streamers" mentions the 3 who don't really actually play rust and have no clue what they were doing.. or just cried like xqc
I'll enter the rust history books as a Rust Roleplayer that plays solo and completely destroys the competition as means of them always messing up my disco parties... "Never mess with that guys disco party" - lone survivor
Great content! Very well balanced and insightful. The documentary style is perfect for articulating the happenings of this game and I truly hope you continue down this path and document more of the stories going on in the community. Cheers!
Glad you like it man, appreciate the feedback. Wanted to try something different for Rust.
No clue who you are, but great video! Super well done, amazed this doesn't have more views
Appreciate you,my mission is to entertain glad I could bring you some enjoyment. :)
Ark Survival had held a tournament before in their Survival Of The Fittest but the 1 match literally took 5 hours long and lots of things has been overhauled since
Holy 🔥 this video was amazing and when I went to your channel I realized you not even at 1k yet. Heavily underrated 💯
Hey Sylent!
Your comment made my Monday, haha.
Greatly appreciate the support my guy, I love entertaining you guys and I'm glad you like the content.
The problem is involving people who don't religiously play rust and have no idea how to actually play it lmao.
Yeah there's always been drama with OTV & regular Rusr creators. It makes sense to broaden the horizons but this usually leads to drama. Great insights
All things aside its hard to determine who wins, a clan with the biggest base could be raided, but a solo with a small hidden 1x1 gets through the wile unraided, who won?
Nice video Jack, enjoying what you're doing, after all the drama with TCWars, Base Invaders etc with Aussie, myself, Navy and everyone I'm just glad to see that its were it is now with Trust in Rust raising so much money and becoming as big as it has.
Nice to see a familiar face man. Yeah I'm happy Base Invaders ended up doing well. I always give credit to charity stuff as it has the biggest impact and I think that was the best possible outcome with it, compared to the "esports" cliche. Hope you're well man.
as a person in esports along with 2000 hours in rust i really wish this could have worked out
Bro the quality of this video made me surprised by the person who made it. Good job man, holy!
Thanks man, I've been trying to do my best possible job for you guys. This comment made my day.
my boi shephard still playing rust. good to see. I remember building a hotel with you back in the day.
Nice to see you again Sam, glad you remember. If you want to catch up man send me a message on discord at Jack Shephard#0001, will be building one this summer.
Scudpunk biggest throw back
Cool history lesson for me! since i never got into that side of it (competitions) and tbh, i think i arrived afterwards most of those events anyway....
To me Rust is AMAZING, in that it's MANY THINGS in one!... It can be a building and crafting, innovating delight (ppl who like to craft amazing based, electronics and now industrial automation stuff), it can be an incredible PvP environment, there's plenty of PvE challenges, there is a *_constant_* treasure-hunting element that makes it super-compelling, not to mention 'raiding'.... I could go on forever - It's multi-dimensional and there must be at least 100 play-styles!
My only gripe is that FP destroyed Tier 1 and Tier 2 PROGRESSION, to get to Tier 3, because nowadays, you can easily get to Tier 3 on day 1 of a wipe...
You cant make a game about exploiting people trust and betrayal and expect it to become a esport game. Its fr a game about humans evolving slowly
facepunch keeps turning rust into from a survival game into an fps with survival aspects, maybe someday rust will have an esports scene
Uve really found a niche market in this space one that needed to be filled because there's so many people who play rust or enjoy rust content but weren't around for alot of it like me I'm so curious about rusts past but no one seems to want to chronical it.
I say keep doing what ur doing this shits gonna be big
Thanks man, If you thought this was a great video you'll be excited for the History of Rust clans coming out this summer. From 2015 - 2023. You're in for a real treat!
Rust is the only game I have ever played in many years of gaming that makes me wish death upon other people
Pros of esport: I would have found out about it earlier. I don't play videogames much at all, and only just realised that it existed a week ago. Now I'm kind of obsessed.
Cons of esport: mainstream success means that it gets sanitised and nobody can use gamer words any more or have a proper laugh without people writing articles about it. The old internet vibes and lack of politics are refreshing.
Spanish team giving up on a Rust tourney, that's so unforeseen, so unheard of!
I love rust and would love to be as good at it as i am with other games but holy fuck is it one of the WORST games for combat. Animations don't line up with gameplay (the AK doesn't fill with bullet until half a second after you finishthe reload animation and pulling out guns takes an eternity before you can finally fire a shot), some sounds are way too similar to player movement, recoil from a standing and crouched position is stupidly different, delays between audio and projectiles, delays between projectile models and their actual hitbox, getting shot behind corners, you're body not lining up with what you see, weapon attachments that hurt your gun more than they help, AI, animal AI, projectile invalids, nighttime, spread on your first shot with most weapons. If it didn't feel like ass i would be inclined to put hundreds more hours into it to become good but why would i do that when it feels like shit now?
The spanish team was fine with the event when they were winning. But then wanted all this extra help and rule changes when they started losing. They cried the whole time. Honestly they were just shitty people about the event.
I didn't know those golden Keemstar quotes were from a Rust session lmao... makes sense now
Love the video you made jack it’s very well made. I would of love to see the involvement you had also in making rust a esport as you hosted tournaments if ur own also and can be thank for some of the success that base invaders has today and trust in rust. Base invader would of never been a thing if it wasn’t for TC Wars and ur involvement in it
Hey Proxy!
Appreciate the support.
Good to see you man, yeah I considered on including it. It's funny cause I think a lot of people who've watched my videos think I might of just researched the videos, and didn't actually witness the events myself or was apart of them. I try to stay a lot more humble these days then you might of seen me previously back in the day, I think at some point in the future I'll likely discuss it if I do more content regarding my history for Rust. If you ever want to catch up, I'm a message away. Jack Shephard#0001.
As someone who's been playing Rust since 2013, when I was in the 6th grade, I never considered Rust even adjacent to esports and never heard about this.
This is an interesting historical narrative, but overall this is a miniscule bump in the history of Rust, not really significant. It should have been framed more of a narrative of streaming culture rather than a Rust narrative. Rust was never an esport, always was a sandbox game and could never work as an esport.
I haven't really caught any of these events live so maybe I'm missing something, but I think Rust *could* be used to create great eSport games. I get the simplicity of the dog tags, but it doesn't seem like a good way to determine a winner in a game that's about so much more than racking up kills. Also, it seems like they kept trying to go bigger either via more people or more popular streamers, which may have contributed to some of the issues.
Jack Shepard is the next TH-cam legend
I didn’t know they even pushed for an e sports, good video bro 😎
Thanks my guy
In all fairness just because something is competitive doesn't mean it should be a sport, I think it's way better suited for various events
(having not yet seen the video to have an uninfluenced say) my own personal opinion into why rust failed as an ESport is that unlike other games, Rust breeds toxicity like nothing else can. Toxicity is rewarded when you create a good trap base, door camp an enemy or just not play nice with your neighbors. Kindness and Trust are almost always seen as a weakness to be exploited by others. even by giving someone a pistol, you've already informed them you're capable of making guns and have a decent amount of resources, which paints a target on your back.
Underrated content creator, great video i hope you grow bro
Thanks man, means a hell of a lot. Really try my best to entertain you guys, glad to have you along for the journey.
Better this way, had rust become an esport game. It would literally lose its heart.
Good video mate
BTW - Rustoria Base Invaders is now monthly and though it has its fair share of issues it is ran by a highly dedicated team and makes for a good stream to watch, and a great event to play
Thanks for the support man,
Yeah I think things have slowed down for how long the events been around. Saw your casting stuff though and it looks really good we defiantly need some more Rust Casters. I hope to see you cast Twitch Rivals some day my guy.
@@JackShephardTV Thanks dude! haha that would be amazing but they tend to hire successful streamers and content creators over experienced casters which is totally chill with me, they do a great job.
I have an idea for a rust youtube channel though all i need is time and money
Trying to make a survival game an e-sport… yeah I expected this.
It’s like people keep forgetting the only game that has a permanent esport scene is Counterstrike
Yeah, idk about Esports, but it's definitely fun watching POVs on Vital or Affinity. Literally just watched a video of a group on Vital EU getting merge raided by 7 clans. 133 vs 23. What a game lol
Lmao I remember keemstar being like "rust is eSports ready" yeeeeaaars ago
Ah, yet another great video by the Shep. Keep up the solid work buddy
You used to run the Villa community with the leaderboards?
Rust is the best competitive game to date. It's not easy to just be good like call of duty etc. It takes a lot of time to get good which I like. Face punch constantly updates the game with new and interesting things. They keep it fresh and interesting.
Nope that title belongs to fortnite cause mechanic wise fortnite is just harder and actually has a comp scene I do agree rust takes alot of time to be good as well tho
i mean it is with the new shitty recoil no skill needed
@@slayerzz3725 eh i disagree fortnite being harder purely because in rust if you dont have the same team size the game becomes much harder fighting a 1v3 every time you get into a fight, depends on how you play it though
@littlecreeper85 nah fortnite takes the most mechanical skill plus game knowledge and aim and in a competitive setting endgames can have up to 80 people scrimming in a small circle u need to know when to take a fight, when to rotate, when to change layers, when to go for height, making sure you have enough mats or knowing when to risk it for a refresh and so much more fortnite is harder than any game alot of people don't like fortnite and thats cool but it 100% takes the most skill out of any game atm tbh that's why so many people quit when everyone started to get really good and in a casual setting its usually not that hard mostly because of skill based matchmaking in pubs but I'm speaking about comp I'm not saying 1v3s in rust are easy either just playing comp fortnite in 2023 is way harder
@@slayerzz3725 yea but to be fair, since all players are playing the same game every single game takes skill at the higher leagues, rust is one where it’s hard since it just wasn’t made to be an esports game so you constantly have good players vs bad players, I think most games would have the same skill problem if there were similar top players as all of what makes the game hard is how good your opponent is, if you both suck it doesent matter how hard or easy the game is, the fight would still be fair for you. Similarly if you have 2 incredibly good players it would have the same skill requirement even if the game is super easy to learn or super hard to learn, this works great with skill based match making but in a game like rust it can seem incredibly easy or incredibly hard since you can fight legit anyone of any skill level
Not every game needs some esport, somethime its enought if its a good and fun game.
I doubt you'll remember me but it's nice to see you uploading again Jack
Hey Bart! Yes I absolutely remember you. You were one of the main guys on Villa in 2016-2017. Also when I started doing TH-cam stuff back then I always use to ask you for feedback and you were brutally honest haha. Hopefully I've improved a bit. If you ever want to catch up join my discord man or add me Jack Shephard#0001. Hope you've been well man.
"The Faze Clan" of Rust just sounds like scamming and cheating to me.
can rust just be a fun game and not a "sport"? not every game needs a super bowl style competition.
Rust, the game where everyone has an N word pass
It’s not a failure it’s just that rust is so good that it doesn’t need to be an esport that’s why it’s so addicting leave the game how it is that’s why I keep coming back to the game
The game wasn’t supposed to be an e-sport, not even a slight chance
How can a game be a sport when there is no win condition
Exactly, but against those odds people will try to make it something it's not.
Disguised Toast is not a Rust TH-camr, this is like asking someone who's never played before to run a raid group in WoW. What a fail
I do mention that as well "Biggest streamers beyond Rust" Timestamp 7:21
congratulations you’ve been out i to recommend sections of youtubers around the world. good vid
I think the main reason why rust never became an esport is because the lack of support from Facepunch. Not only did they not support the organization of such events, the updates were also so random and had nothing to do with optimizing the game to become an esport.
I think its ertentaining to watch different teams fighting each other and raiding
I feel like I'm watching sunny v2
There have been rust “E sport” tournaments. Nothing crazy tho I think the most I’ve seen was a couple grand. Servers just couldn’t handle it along with the issues of cheating it was hard to vett everyone and when money was on the line a lot of people would ESP bases. It would never be a real esport because unlike other games it’s a sandbox and would be hard to structure competition
i don’t think rust was ever meant to be an esport. but weeklong tournament type things have been quite fun. the problem is the game is just not set up to be a type of show thing.
THESE VIDEOS GO SO FKING HARD BRO WWWWW i will binge watch more
The first Twitch rivals event was going well until the Spanish team started abusing rules and breaking some of them.
the best chance rust has at an esport now is probably rustorias base invaders
You should do more than just rust videos, your editing is nice
how does keem keep teaming up with umg???
You can't make an esport, the community is a nightmare.
Honestly, if the teams were smaller I could see a tournament working.
Rust is one of the most competitive games in the world but it's not meant to be an esport
Did you bring your note from Jack Shephard?
Haha, I'm confused on the question. Are you talking about the show LOST?
@@JackShephardTV Years ago, you used to make hotels in rust, right?
@@maynardcornchowder5878 steamcommunity.com/id/jackshephardofficial/screenshots/ Yes that is me. Nice to see you again. I plan on doing some more hotels this summer.
Surprised you didn't bring up stuff like the UKN events where it'd be clan vs clan
Jesus Christ I’m not one to judge the TH-camr but you’re wrong rust would be a E-sport if it stayed to what it is now just with leader boards. They are trying to add game modes and this this and the other keep rust the same as it is and base it off three categories (kills,TC’s taken,most loot) three different prizes that split out from the grand prize like they make it more harder then it should loot can be taken into affect on last day where only team leaders hop on to show off the loot. Leaderboards for kills that don’t count animals scientists or friendly players and also a leaderboard that totals all players in the group for tcs taken out that wipe if it’s a 1-3 day event. With these types of things idk how it could fail literally they are over thinking all of this shit and that’s why it’s failing as of right now
Hey man, I agree with your points. I address a lot of this stuff at the end of the video, and my next video is a follow up to a lot of what you said. Thanks for watching!
@@JackShephardTV awesome I’ll be here for the next video and you did have some good points thought through out the whole thing and I could’ve reworded that better thanks for the response 🙌❤️
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Jack, love to see you pumping good docu style vids about rust, I could absolutely see your channel booming if you continue to ride this train. Thanks for the content ❤hopefully my views and sub mean something to the homie
Thank you Mark, your comment means a lot man. I've craved doing this for so long, so reading things like this means the world to me. Glad you guys enjoy it.
Base invaders is how a esports format for this game should be
Feel like its possible for rust to be an esport if it were based around 10x clans because you can have a set time limit and fast pace
Keem should have learned from rustoria. Base invaders could easily be the esport game mode and ive only heard good about it
It’s surprising rust hasn’t dominated E sports considering how competitive the actual game is. There needs to be a couple changes from the actual vanilla game tho bc it can be difficult to watch if you don’t actually play .
The main issue with this is that alot of people would be exposed for closet cheating. The current “competetive” scene in rust is and has always been filled with cheaters, the reason groups are superior to others is because they have people esping and soft aiming for an advantage. TH-camrs such as Tacularr, Fast etc. have been known for being in private cheater discords and if they were to be in an e-sports type league their performance would be significantly worse than in their content. This would be the case with several other players.
"been known for being in private cheaters discords" Stop the cap hahaha you dont know shit dude he has 15 - 20k hours and been grinding nonestop obviously hes gonna be better then 99.99% of the player base.
@@ss-wr9yg tacularr and taunted were both paying thousands a year when they played together for private cheats lol, you dont know shit about what goes on behind the scenes so keep your mouth shut mate
Where's the proof on this?? I agree many people esp and script but I'd like to see the proof of these claims on the big guys you mention
@@druskee2380 He doesnt have shit for proof, he 100% just saw one random dude commenting on a random video, and took hes word for it.
@@druskee2380 it was about a year ago or so but its still blatant in his videos that he is closet esping, i used to closet cheat for many big groups and some youtubers playstyles almost matches mine
Are you the one doing the history of main thing with vader
Yeah it will be entire documentary of the history of clans in Rust.
Whats crazy is all the streamers that did rust conquest in 2016 have the same amount of subscribers 7 years later. They havent grown at all and there is no esports at all
In all fairness just because something is competitive doesn't mean it should be a sport, I think it's way better suited for events since it's a survival game after all
And they did it again this rivals, they fucked up w the spanish team this year