It breeds it too. Even if you brought in people who shit diamonds for how innocent and good they are, an hour or two in, they will be building prisons for non white-skinned characters, and Haling Hortler like the best of em.
-Creates teams based on language and by extension culture and race -the rivalry turns out exactly like conflicts between these barriers how are organizer surprised?
Haha, this is really good insight Col. Yeah it might be due to the massive amount of logistic oversight, but if anyone's ever watched a European soccer match, they know how Ireland over Scotland would react for example to a loss and win. I think the big thing this event shows is how these communities that have become open to reach through the internet, will re-ignite these conflicts over perspectives, that 15 yrs ago wouldn't of been possible, especially for how big Twitch Rivals is.
Except English speakers can respect people's nationalities and race, but the Spanish side has in multiple events with multiple leadership changes resorted to insulting people due to their race and making veiled death threats. So given that I don't this it's a product of the event given how one sided that is
You're exactly right! People always seem to forget history for some reason and expect everything to magically be different this time. People have always separated themselves into groups throughout all history. Usually causing conflict between the groups. It does not matter if it's language, culture, beliefs, or race. People always find ways to separate into groups and fight against the groups that don't agree with them. This is just a fact of humanity. That's why every person thinks they are different from everyone else or works harder than everyone else. A lot think they are better. Why do you think you hear about people's ego so much? 😂😂
@@lollipop27194 Bruh.. Most of the "US" team in this were from Europe.🤣 What are you even talking about? Nice liking your own comment though lol. That say's everything we need to know about you😂
As a Chinese person, I can see how what the Spanish ppl said can be seen as offensive, but like it’s literally the same as saying “kill the Spanish dude”. It clearly wasn’t racist
@@fagadafa because it can either be targeted on race or targeted on just basic knowledge, if someone says "kill the Chinese girl" solely because she's Chinese then its offensive but if it's "kill the Chinese girl" with the intention to get everyone to know who they should be targeting (not based on race but based on progression in the game), in this context Chinese girl is basically the same as Blue haired dude, it's just a description.
@@jockin i'd say thinking that saying "kill the chinese girl" is racist its racist in itself, specially if they think that saying something like "kill the american" is not racist
From what I've seen from this as an American-Korean. Coconut kind of seems like he yearns for drama and he unironically enjoys it a lot. The girl that was saying "she was attacked" is just a clear language barrier and it's not even offensive? If an enemy player says "Target the Korean" then I wouldn't take offense to this at all. She was crying over the littlest shit whereas the actual racist remarks towards Toast, didn't make him cry at all.
the problem with these twitch rivals is that they always go to there race being the reason for everything. like in the newest rivals if your the leading team and get merge raided its not cause your spainish its because your target #1
Well it started with the American team pulling the race card with the "Ñ" which is false, we use it constantly because it is "our letter" it only exists in Spanish it is our freaking name España. Also Mata la china is not a racist thing in Spanish "china" can mean many things in Spanish depending on the context not only "Chinese girl". And to finish that coconutB guy is a massive count that was steering the pot constantly.
@@maxakamvp it's irrelevant when you play internationally. I'm not native a english speaker too and a lot of things are not considered racism in my country that doesn't mean I can say racist things on yt comments.
@@Xjuijau That is complete bullshit, the teams from the states were constantly calling everybody "mexican piece of shit", "go eat some tacos",... even though the majority of the spanish speaking streamers where not even mexican and nothing happend. The states is the most racist society in the world, is obsessed with race and see racism everywhere. If twitch don't want different languages colliding just make it national thing a shove your dollars up your ass, what is not fair is to treat streamers under a different set of rules because of nationality, THAT'S RACIST.
@@UrbanDefenseSystems damm u made a anglo moment , xD u know south america and Spain speak the same language?? Only that in Spain is more used the word guiri
I live in the US and speak both Spanish and English… honestly without context “mata la China” is really nothing negative or derogatory at all. Something like “mata la chinita” could much more seriously be considered derogatory. As for the first altercation with the twig base… is that not literally just a strategy? Hardly seems creative enough to make a compelling argument that they were bending the spirit of the rules. It just seems like the obvious thing to do.
The main issue was that the Spanish team had raided the English base earlier and destroyed their twig but the English team didn’t complain about it because as disguised toast states at the time “that’s rust baby” it wasn’t an issue till the Spanish team complained about it which btw an error happened with the server code and part of it didn’t work properly to make twig invincible so no one should have been able to break twig anyway
that raid thing was just a extremely minor problem in the first event. There was a bunch of other stuff that both teams did to each other but a big difference was that the english team keep playing on while the entire spanish team threatened to quit multiple times if the admins didn't do what they wanted. There is a really good video on what happened over the entire event
maybe im biased because im a spaniard (even though i didn't watch nor really care about rivals, i just play rust lmao) but yeah this is mostly cultural shock, specially when that chinese girl started crying when called "chinofarmer" it's the sort of reaction you woulnd't have pre 2016, ever since that year the whole english sphere has been getting extra sensitive to the point of thinking this reaction is normal in adults and they should be somehow "protected" from... random words??? yeah the rest of the world is not into that weird culture (yet, any cultural change the US goes thru is very usually replicated throughout europe wether it makes sense in our envyroment or not) this whole extra soft culture is so weird from a foreigner standpoint it's sometimes funny how outlandish it sometimes is, don't know why you guys over there changed your whole culture and ways of living to catter to turbo-sheltered people with obvious arrested development also for a bit of context on the word "chinofarmer" its just a word we use to either to describe efficient farmers, asian players or sometimes used for cracked players. it originated during the late 00s when the internet was getting more accessible and the cultural shock we had with asian players because of how seriously they took videogames in general, surpassing westerners in most competitive games TLDR: imo it's just culture shock from sheltered people and people playing the optics game
Perhaps a quick google search on the topic would allow you to educate yourself on the historical context of Chinese immigration to The U.S. in the 19th century. Just because the term "farmer" is used in a video-game setting in the 21st century doesn't mean that this is the only context. I can see the perspective that this may have just been a misuse of language and misunderstanding, as well as seeing how historical and modern racist attitudes toward Chinese Americans led to her feeling targeted for her race.
@@EnsignRo_ >Perhaps a quick google search on the topic would allow you to educate yourself on the historical context of Chinese immigration to The U.S. in the 19th century that's great and all but its offtopic. we are in the 21st century and playing videogames, the 19th century has basically nothing to do with this. she was farming in a videogame both in the gaming sense (getting resources) and in the literal sense (running the actual farm), it is objectively not a misuse of language in any sense but a misunderstanding on her part, which still doesn't excuse a literal grown adult crying over a whole bunch of nothing also no, don't even try to tell me that this person suffered in any way by something that happened 200 years ago and had literally nothing to do with her
@@Frank-qn7de The entire issue here is the failure of people to make a connection to how the past influences future opinions and behavior for generations. If you don't see that then I've got nothing more to say to you.
@@EnsignRo_ It could or it couldn't. You don't see Latin people crying seriously about being a colony of Spain or the British Empire 200 years ago because nobody really cares. If you're discriminated against today, that's something, but if you feel you're discriminated against because your people were discriminated against 200 years ago, then you should go to therapy. Talking about "historical racism" attitudes toward Chinese Americans that led to her feeling targeted because of her race is hilarious and nonsensical
What controversy is there around a fucking letter? Also, if they had said to "kill the american kid" or "kill the british kid" it wouldnt have been seen as racist.
Good insight here man, It's unfortunate with this one because there's so much information over the course of these events. But I think a big question to ask is how did they even know she was Chinese, I think there was a lot more behind close doors that prompted her response for this.
I've seen so many people blaming them for saying "kill the chinese farmer" and I think it's a super big missunderstanding. In spanish we have a gaming idiom that says "chino farmer" which if I'm not mistaken is what the spanish streamers said. It translates to "chinese farmer" and its origin comes from the super grinding culture MMORPGs from Asia. And sure one might think the idiom itself is racist if they didn't know any better but I'm sure they meant no harm by that comment, it was just unfortunate timing and situation. Maybe they shouldn't have said it, but in our language it means no harm :(. Nice video@@JackShephardTV
Also after watching the full video I have some personal opinions. I might be biased but as much as there is to blame some of the Spanish competitors for their actions somehow CononutB is always involved and to me that's as bad if not worse. Also, about english streamers specifically targeting team Pampots in the last twitch rivals. As I was watching it I feel like there is no denying they were at least partially targeting them which honestly sucked the fun out of the event for me. I was just not fun to watch them be so stressed and overwhelmed. I feel like this issue will be dragged on until there is a change in the mentality of the players which I feel is impossible. It was a really good video@@JackShephardTV
@@phalanx5667 Ok, but why do you feel compelled to bring up race or nationality? It is clearily not necesary. Their avatar is in the games, not the streamer themselves, so descriptiveness cannot be used as an excuse.
Surely, I think the reason Rennie was upset in this case was because similar to the Coco or DisguisedToast situation, making those types of comments can lead to hate beyond even what the streamers know. Which is why an argument can event exist for both sides here. Hope you enjoyed my guy!
@@JackShephardTVBro, she’s such a softie to react the way she did. Pretty confident she cries the same way when her ice-cream flavor runs out at the store. Jokes aside, if you start pandering to everyone on that level, there will never be conflict resolution. She’s got to toughen up and the admins needs to be wiser.
Thats because you're a white guy who's never faced hate because of your skin color, obviously. Its really funny to see shit like this. Like, yeah, me too man, whats your point? Not everyone is as tough as you and me. Not everyone has had lives without hate like you and me. Maybe, just maybe, people live different lives and have different capacities. Shes also a woman man, grow up.
I'm mexican and if i was farming I wouldn't be upset if someone called me a mexican farmer lmfao. If they let it slide there would've been waay less drama
From a Spanish perspective i can say that all of this was just a misunderstanding caused by the language barrier i can ensure u that words like chinofarmer are not racist and are of common use among the gaming world because it come from the idea that the Asian clans always are the bigger ones on the mmo industry. As always this could have been fixed if the viewers and streamers just understood the other community pov. Great video though 👌
It's a stereotype that skirts the line between racism and casual microaggression. Not all Chinese people are farmers in MMO's, especially when many of the content creators who are Asian are Chinese American. I think that's why people got angry.
It also could have been avoided if the organizers didn’t invite emotionally and socially immature people into the $100,000 SERIOUS tournament where there are real stakes. So dumb
I feel like an often ignored angle of the chinese mention is that the spanish streamers didnt even know she was chinese. Its just a common term used by spanish speakers to describe farmers in general since the chinese are generally the ones known as farmers due to their way of playing in large zergs, so it just stayed as a default cultural term. So in my view, her reaction was honestly an absolute joke. However i will admit its possible the reaction may have been caused by a miss representation from her viewers. After all, it was a common theme during the entire twitch rivals that i spent scratching my head and being incredibly annoyed at seeing all the streamers try to use google translate and understand what the other side was saying when often times google translate not only fails to do the job properly, it will sometimes even convey something totally different. I wish more people would use modern AI-driven translators like deepl instead of the old relic that is google translate. Its also an issue of punctuation which makes these translators struggle. See the phrase that toast translated. If you were to add a comma before the last word, the translation would become the following: "you do not know if you are gringo ... Chinese or Korean ... you don't even have an identity, you scumbag." which has a very different connotation. Goes from saying his identity is thrash, to saying he's trash for not having one.
Playing Ark when the chinese invaded pvp servers, anyone with characters or names that weren't english were automatically dubbed Chinese because no one could read it and they were the commonly found ones to be cheating.
Crying and complaining doesn’t make you right. Nothing they said was really that bad or racist. For some reason in the short term people think it’s acceptable to act like children and lose all resilience to altercations and cry.
Been saying this. That girl was a absolutely emotionally insecure and socially immature. She should not have been invited to a tournament with $100,000 on the line. The organizers knew it would get heated. Also to cry over that? Really? Just tell them to go fuck themselves don’t cry about it. You make yourself look like a loser. If it wasn’t for the cameras rolling I’ll be everyone of the other streamers there thought to themselves “wow she’s really crying over some low level barely even an insult” (even though it was a miss communication)
Rust events with any kind of rules will always be a disaster and people who don't even play the game would know this immediately. The controversy and issues with these events are the sole fault of the creators regardless of how toxic either team is.
@@rhettshanley8712 Rust is certainly not for the emotionally immature. I feel like a bad person, but I'm glad to see it still isn't. Gives me some hope that rust might, just might, one day come back around to the horrifying wasteland of suffering it once was.
Your videos are great man, really brings back some memories from old Rust and you do some amazing research and put countless hours into making these, keep them up my man
some bans where deserved in the spanish teams, but the "mata la china" was not malicious, as a spanish speaker from south america we tend to call people by nicknames very often, we have friends and families that we never call them by their names ever, i never knew my own abuelito name untill 2 years after he died because no one called him by his name, same goes for some friends, some nicknames can be very offensive if translated to english.
So here is the thing: I speak English and an I am American, but by no standard does my friend in Germany have to contort his language and social norms he is used to because he lives in Germany to my standards simply because I am in another country. Literally this entire video is a showcase on why diversity without understanding that you will run into things you disagree with or even hear things you find monstrous when you engage with another country, culture, and or social group. A prime example is Japan bars that do not let anyone who is not Japanese in. Why this is done is because drinking in Japan has a different culture behind it and foreigners tend not the grasp that so they just gate keep them out for the sake of social order. If you want diversity expect people to fight as cultures, languages, traditions, and a whole plethora of other things become the reason people fight. Literally wars were waged because of not understanding languages and people getting butt hurt someone said something they thought was mean but was something as simple as "Who are you?" TLDR: You want diversity, expect fighting between established social groups.
I feel like they should just stop inviting spanish people to twitch rivals or atleast putting them against english speaking streamers, i mean like if i grew up somewhere where racism is not a problem and nobody is really bothered about me saying the nword, does that mean i should go and call people the nword during an event?
"Chinese Farmer" has been a common term since at least 2005, because it wasn't uncommon for people in china to perform repetitive tedious activities for in-game gold and sell it for real world money. Just like how it was commonly known that someone that tagged themself with BR or repeatedly said "BR!" or "BR?" was not a good player and probably had really toxic behavior. They definitely weren't being racist. But even if people are saying racist things, so what?
There are a lot of cultural differences, but many of the problems originated because the rules were not clear, and they were created as the tournament took place. And the admins were patching what they could, but everything was already lost. Because of inequality. For example: The first complaint that the Spanish had in the first rival was that the servers were in the US, and that the events were always outside their time zone.
DISCLOUSURE: I'm HISPANIC. We need to get this very clear, N and Ñ ARE NOT the same letter. The problem here is not only a cultural thing, but more like an educational or academic problem. We all need to be educated more.
This ^ I remember reading about all of this and it was so stupid to me I'm not spanish, but I know about those letters ( or evne the sounds and how you pronounce certain words ) English people usually don't have idea what those are, or mean They even ban some of the letters on their Twitch chat, and other places, so you can't use Ñ or À and Á or Ç or à , and so on And they wouldn't understand the NH or ÃO Nowadays everything seems to be like you're always attacking, or getting attacked That's what it's getting out of hand
im spanish, i don't play rust nor watch anyone of this spanish speaking content creators, take that as you will, i will try to stay as neutral as possible while saying my opinion on the matter understanding both languages and spanish culture slightly deeper than most here first this particular group of famous spanish speaking content creators are man-children, most of their fanbase are children or were children like myself at the time, their actions and ways of managing stuff are really child like and they definitively did things incorrectly leading to misunderstanding and hate, triggering the english speakers which is understandable to a reasonable extent, english speakers didn't manage it well either but not as bad, the death threats by the other hand are empty and they come from children trying to defend their favourite youtuber, don't blame the spanish speaking youtubers but you can't also really blame the children, blame their attitude as for english speaking content creators, Ñ or ñ or eñe, is not racist, i will not tolerate you guys giving it that meaning i don't care why, you do not have the right to decided anything about my language and culture and its a direct and very personal insult for anyone of you to feel in anyway entitled to that decision, pretending you can do that is idiotic and a lack of common sense, we use that letter as a way to show we are proud of ourselfs and a way to recognize each other in a mostly english speaking internet, nothing more nothing else, for the most part tho i think you guys acted with responsability and rationality, i don't blame your response to what you felt was an attack, it only makes sense about chinese or asian comments, i can defend our humor as our society really respects strenght and humor is usually a way to test that but those comments weren't that "kill the chinese" is just an unfortunate com but "chinofarmer" was out of place even if it was intended as something funny, i believe she could've take it better but its not her duty either to do so, specially when she hasn't grown up with our culture, i just assure you that the comment wasn't motivated by actual thoughts of racism, spanish team is full of man-children tho so they don't think twice before making a joke like that so i also feel they deserved the backlash this is how i see the situation explained in the video, english speakers in my opinion managed it better and im sorry for this to be the first impression many of you may have had to spanish speaking content creators, i cannot recommend them tho, their content does suck ass regardless lol
Me as a German I wasn’t part of the drama at the time. I didn’t even really knew a lot about what actually happened and couldn’t be bothered to care. But after seeing this, I can profoundly say that the problem lays with Spanish speaking communities! English is THE lingua mundi (world language) of our time and trying to interact with other people from all over the world, especially gaming, was destined to go this way! My opinion on this is very clear, if you’re unable or unwilling to communicate in English with the rest of the world that does so, than please stay in your lingual community but don’t start shit like this!
thank u for keeping ur screenshots of tweets up for longer than half a frame i was genuinely just watching a video that was a reaction to hate someone got for just making a video and the clips of tweets were for like .0001 seconds it was impossible to pause on them and rewinding even a second wouldnt show it was so annoying but ur fire good video
Trying to remove racism from rust is like trying to get rid of criminals from the world. You can get rid of most but there is always new ones that pop up.
I mean... this is pretty much how actual wars in real life start and begin. Doesn't really shock me at all. This is literally the crust of Basic Human History at play but in a video game. Instead of King Henry John George the XKVII of Paris against King Jose Georgio Lionel of Palatine its Team A vs Team B in Rust.
BapRust one of my favorite viewers as usual, haha. Glad you enjoyed my guy. Who would of thought, I think what makes this story crazy is this is people with massively followings just treating it like a call of duty match.
Looks like someone didnt hire a REAL translator. It is blatantly apparant as this could be all solved with one or two english to spanish translators participating/narrating the event. Definitely all twitches fault.
The insane irony of a video titled this is hilarious Normalfriends are the worst thing that has ever happened to rust We failed to gate keep and it cost us everything
@@JackShephardTVGood catch! calculating lakey’s 1ks by looking at his thirst in the bottom right (1ks meaning 1 kill a life, or a death between two conjoining clips) first clip is a dif server thats -10 between the second and third clip his thirst goes from 4996 to 4999 showing he died and it’s a 1k, that’s -5 at 0:24 he goes from 4993 to 4994 then to 4996, then to 4999 very bad looks that’s gonna be a -10 0:35 he goes from 4995 to 4997 and 0:39 from 4995 to 5000 -5 at 0:48 he goes from 4972 to 4997 and from 4997 to 4998 -10 at 0:54 he goes from 4997 to 4999 and the reason he gets the kill is from server error -8 the tage starts at 0:12 and ends 1:02, this is 50 seconds of clips on a battlefield so that’s -60 putting all that together lakey gets a -8/100 on the ot scale, he is officially kicked from ot 😅 DATTEBAYO BUT WAIT! at one point lakey got a good 5k! and another he got a pretty good 6k! that’s a plus 20 right there so the real score is 12/100! a failing grade! you are never welcomed into ot again lakey BUT WAIT AGAIN!!! FEMBOYS AREN’T ALLOWED INTO THE OT CLAN AND NOT ONLY IS LAKEY A FEMBOY BUT HE IS IN CALL *ALONE* WITH 2 OTHER FEMBOYS AND A GAY MAN!!! LAKEY THAT IS A BIG NONO ON THE OT CONTENT CREATION ENDORSEMENT LIST AND NOT ONLY IS THAT ONLY A -100 BUT YOU ARE WATCHING FEMBOY FISHING WITH THEM AND WITH *MY* LITTLE BROTHER WHO IS 7!!! LAKEY THAT IS -80!!! This leaves lakey’s score at -168/100! BUT WAIT!!! HE’S JEWISH AND EVERYBODY KNOWS JEWS ARE FORBIDDEN FROM THE OT CLAN!!! This means lakey gets BANISHED!!! BUT WAIT!!!!!! JEWS OWN HOLLYWOOD!!! LAKEY MADE THE RAIN INTRO AND EVERY OT TONZA MOVIE!!!! THIS MEANS LAKEY GETS INVITED TO THE OT 2024 REUNION AND AN INVITE WHILST EXCOMMUNICATO FROM THE OT CLAN!!! LAKEY IS OFFICIALLY OT’S JEW WITH A FINAL SCORE OF -168/100 IN INTERNAL FACTORS AND -800/100 IN EXTERNAL!!! WOOHOOO WELCOME OT LAKEY!!!!! --------------- After bringing in OT’s critic; OT BULLY MARSLEY, to the table… It is with a heavy heart I, OT Tonza, and OT dinling have to say that we will need to cancel your membership based off your late performance… We simply cannot endorse a player that uploads 0:52 of battlefield clips and 0:56 of nothing related… We are sorry OT Lakey; but from this point on, we strip you of your accommodations such as; the OT Mousepad, OT Wallpaper, and most importantly; the OT tag. From this point on you are now regarded as simply: Lakey Rust. Tacularr will email your JEWISH parents to inform them of yours and our loss. Thank you Sincerely, the OT Team P.S. Using clips of your silly goofy lesbian femboy trans xe/xem/xir friends saying such line as “I can’t hit you when you’re strafing” is not a flex. Delete this and do better and you may receive an invite in the coming days, but as of now; expect nothing of the sort. Goodbye / th-cam.com/video/7JLQPGjoO30/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rQq4sVmV5clMhoK0
This videos summary: The "Rust Racism Controversy" is a series of events that occurred during the Twitch Rivals: Rust Game Battle, a gaming competition featuring teams from both English-speaking and Spanish-speaking communities. The controversy began with cultural and language misunderstandings between the teams, escalating into heated debates, derogatory language, and death threats. The situation highlighted the challenges of bridging language barriers and cultural differences in online gaming communities. 👍
Since the start of me playing rust until now, the culture of the game has changed drastically. I used to spawn in to official servers and would hear racist words and phrases constantly. It was apart of rust. I think Rust is going to find itself in an even harder place with the more PC people/streamers play the game. They will clash with those who have played the game for years. Rust is Toxicity.
Good video actually made me feel like the spanish speakers are more in the right. Both done wrong but the woke twitch streamers can’t comprehend people talk different in different countries.
I think the problems lies in the difference of trolling in game, and straight up attacking people via socials, constant harassment, and threats well past the end of an event.
I speak enough spanish to tell you that the Hispanic team for twitch rivals was ABSOLUTELY saying some of the most horrid shit I have heard in a game lobby in a long time. It was extremely hateful and very very racially charged. They were ruthless and thought it was extremely funny.
This has only been going around for 4 years.. cultural differences take time to understand, reorganize, this is nothing but a learning process. 10 years down the line I can only imagine the new era of gamers who are learning and understanding from what's going on now and in thier time they will adjust to all these negativity and unite towards making a online gameing community which will influence only good in this world.
OTV was the worst thing to ever happen to Rust. The Devs thought they were the future of the game and sold out all the dedicated players that had been around for years just to appease them and they didn't even stick around. Now we are left with a shit game with a bunch of soft core pussy mechanics that no one likes.
I felt like you massively understated the amount of cheating done by the spanish teams. Maybe that's because I'm an English speaker but it seems like you intentionally didnt go into detail about each cheating scandal and instead opted for a more lazy approach... bummer. Multiple Spaniards have agreed with me online about their wrongdoing and basically said these Spanish streamers were not the best choices for Spanish Rust streamers.
Hey Jman, thanks for watching the video. I get where your coming from, however I feel I covered the cheating pretty well for all the events. The only account that I didn't include that I'm aware of is the scrap helicopter being spawned in for Twitch Rivals 1, since I felt the point got across when I spoke about Event staff returning loot to each other. If your talking about players, playing with scripters or actually cheating through a client, I'm aware of some accusations, but without proof, I can't specifically call out anyone individually. This a super tough topic to cover for how controversial it is, so I never throw my personal opinions in, I give you guys the facts and let you decide. Anyways thanks for the feedback.
Bottom line, the players and their communities took it too far and should have just left it all on the game field. I think things would also have been viewed all this time in better regards if teams didn't just up and quit. Take the Ls. Lick your wounds. And keep coming back to try again...
I removed my original comment and will just say that national pride is only ever an issue when it's Europeans or Americans showing it. Otherwise it's embraced and even encouraged. So basically it's just pure jealousy and resentment.
Great video as always Jack! In this rivals Spain, cheated by teleporting to safeoutpost using an exploit, broke their own tc and refused to play after two members were kicked out, leaked the ip causing the entire server to go down disruputing a $100,000 tournament, but here comes the biased spain community saying they’ve done nothing wrong
From what I've seen the teleporting and leaking ip was stupid af. But kicking 2 of their members for saying callouts in game is crazy which lead to the team opting to not play anymore. Its simple to see that 'kill the Chinese girl' and 'China farmer' were callouts for killing the Chinese's player who was farming materiel's in game. But what can you do when people take things that are not racist serious that ideology seems to have come straight from America.
Biased like you rn trying to play the blameless victim? When we just watched you in the video being always involved in the controversy either instigating or throwing gas on the fire? Look man, I'm gonna de 100% real with you. You're a super toxic player and I like that about you, I think it's funny content. It's what Rust is about. But don't be a little bitch and own up to it. Lots of you americans and europeans have this crazy idea in your heads that specific words, regardless of context, carry way more weight than attitudes towards people. You think you can say whatever the fuck you want as long as you don't say the politically incorrect words and that makes you more righteous than someone who said a word without meaning any offense because you find it offensive in your culture. It's concerning how naturalized imperialism has become that you're not even aware you're actively playing into enforcing it on other cultures. Overall, I think the spanish teams are to blame the most for all the controversy inside the event gameplay-wise, just to make it clear. I'm not siding with them. But I'm not gonna pretend this isn't a back and forth fight going on between both parties. You're a major player in further escalating the conflict, everytime. So if you're gonna be commenting on a video like this, either keep playing your toxic persona or have a moment of self reflection. This poor attempt at gaining sympathy in your comment, from someone who's playing the character you do, is just a weak bitch move.
Hey Coco! I'm glad you enjoyed it, man. Yeah, I appreciate the huge amount of resources you provided over all these events from your POV. Otherwise this video wouldn't of been possible. Looking forward to the next rivals!
Whoever made Rennie cry was hella out of pocket for that. I was so cooked while playing in the last Rivals it's nice to get to watch this well made summary of the events. Great work as always Jack. ☕
Congratulations on the win my guy, I watched your guys streams quite a lot during the event. Yeah I think the real issue whether they knew or not for the Spanish players was it was the outcome for saying those words and having viewers attack her and her community which is the real problem. It's super unfortunate, and it might just be a difference of ideals for individualism in the US to collectivism for Spanish speakers, but what they say, truly impacts everyone around them.
I dont know man, how about instead of just saying that players have a common ground in playing rust so therefore they should all get along, how about they commit some of that revenue to educating participants in media literacy?? so they can afford controversies directly related to terms of service? if you are having an international event, that does require certain investments to ensure that cultures can interact without issue
It boils my blood how people say "Kill the chinese girl" is racist and offensive, meanwhile i need to hide my nationality as an Brazillian in any game because i'm LATAM/Doesn't speak or understand english/My "race" doesn't know to behave in multiplayer games.
the spanish TOTALLY outplayed the english with that twig, and they cried it's cheating lmao. no my man, they were way ahead of you and not only you can't read the rules, you can't admit that you broke them which is beyond cringe. i fucking love rust especially when i can be watching the drama without actively participating
100%, Rust is very special in a really unique way. Most games wouldn't even have the types of possibilities to coordinate simple events, compared to getting leading online influencers from countries together to compete.
"Social Media made y'all way to comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it." - Mike Tyson Neither side would be saying any of the shit they said if they were able to fight each other about what was said.
@@HawaiianForgeStudios yeah exactly, i don't condone being racist of course, but thats just how people are, she shouldn't be getting so upset about random people on the internet trying to hurt feelings, they are only doing that shit to make her angry or upset
Me as a German I wasn’t part of the drama at the time. I didn’t even really knew a lot about what actually happened and couldn’t be bothered to care. But after seeing this, I can profoundly say that the problem lays with Spanish speaking communities! English is THE lingua mundi (world language) of our time and trying to interact with other people from all over the world, especially gaming, was destined to go this way! My opinion on this is very clear, if you’re unable or unwilling to communicate in English with the rest of the world that does so, than please stay in your lingual community but don’t start shit like this!
People are kinda missing the point about Rennie's reaction when this video is entirely on language barriers. I feel like I'm the only sane person asking myself why she would be crying over being called that stuff and realizing Chinese people often get stereotyped with farming. Idk, I feel like most of these issues, even displayed in this video amongst the streamers, wouldn't exist if people were to calm their narcissism for a few minutes and reevaluate what just happened in the moment.
its not based on real life its slang for how cn player grind in mmo games. alos bro thats a vietnamese stereotype the last time china was known for farming is the qing.
I think the issues discussed in the video should mostly be blamed not on one of the sides of the conflict, but rather on the organizers of the event. It's literally their function to create a safe and welcome environment for participants to play rust in. Many of the issues could be avoided by simply having a properly structured and thought out ruleset. Although, more drama - more viewers I suppose?
Great video, I'm a mexican Rust player and content creator, and I see the controversy just as you explained it, just a cultural miss understanding from both sides. We can do better. GL out there. (:
You can explain certain things like the language barriers on the smaller controversies. However when someone on the Spanish team leaks the server because they are a sore lower then it's obvious who's in the wrong. Like there seems to be alot worse than what people were saying like doxing and cheating going on.
Thanks for doing this! I watched many of these events live and through youtube and I got a very fragmented view of all the narratives. If anything what's missing from these events is what FancyOrb has in his events. An overarching narration from an admin POV. I don't take the drama seriously, seems like every team would pull out the victim card every time they were losing. Also the rules should have been modded in game, instead of saying "don't raid", just make it impossible to raid. The twig rivals event shows how both teams found smart ways to bend the rules in their favour and even right after that the admins were nowhere to be found or make a clear judgement.
she took things way too serious when there wasnt any racism going on but rather just a callout in game to kill the 'chinese' which she is 'farmer' which she was doing in game (farming materials)
It certainly doesn't help that controversy creates currency. At this point, it feels like a game of greed and whoever can cry the loudest will be able to milk the most views and streams out of it after-the-fact.
Rust and Racism, two things, that goes hand in hand.
More like issue with all competitive online games. Although I believe it's more to do with people being dicks not an actual racists.
It breeds it too. Even if you brought in people who shit diamonds for how innocent and good they are, an hour or two in, they will be building prisons for non white-skinned characters, and Haling Hortler like the best of em.
Rust and racism dont go hand in hand, they are just 1 hand
Ahh brings me back to my childhood when we learned so many new words playing MW2. 🥰
On god
-Creates teams based on language and by extension culture and race
-the rivalry turns out exactly like conflicts between these barriers
how are organizer surprised?
Haha, this is really good insight Col. Yeah it might be due to the massive amount of logistic oversight, but if anyone's ever watched a European soccer match, they know how Ireland over Scotland would react for example to a loss and win. I think the big thing this event shows is how these communities that have become open to reach through the internet, will re-ignite these conflicts over perspectives, that 15 yrs ago wouldn't of been possible, especially for how big Twitch Rivals is.
Except English speakers can respect people's nationalities and race, but the Spanish side has in multiple events with multiple leadership changes resorted to insulting people due to their race and making veiled death threats.
So given that I don't this it's a product of the event given how one sided that is
@@AndrewTFenn It might be time to realise that not everyone outside of the "West" holds the same beliefs as us.
You're exactly right! People always seem to forget history for some reason and expect everything to magically be different this time. People have always separated themselves into groups throughout all history. Usually causing conflict between the groups. It does not matter if it's language, culture, beliefs, or race. People always find ways to separate into groups and fight against the groups that don't agree with them. This is just a fact of humanity. That's why every person thinks they are different from everyone else or works harder than everyone else. A lot think they are better. Why do you think you hear about people's ego so much? 😂😂
@@lollipop27194 Bruh.. Most of the "US" team in this were from Europe.🤣 What are you even talking about? Nice liking your own comment though lol. That say's everything we need to know about you😂
Can confirm the second I see a Chinese username I immediately turn into a ultranationalist
I turn into a reporter of cheaters.
I fought with a chinese clan in rust. Still friends with a couple of them. You only turn ultranationalist when they're shooting you.
It's not like they are doing the same thing Asians can't be racist guys
same
Depends. I've seen some Taiwanese and they're pretty cool.
We find Chinese and troll the ever loving crap out of those zerg rushing griefers.
As a Chinese person, I can see how what the Spanish ppl said can be seen as offensive, but like it’s literally the same as saying “kill the Spanish dude”. It clearly wasn’t racist
what is the part that can be offensive?
Yeah but how else can manufacture a controversy
@@fagadafa because it can either be targeted on race or targeted on just basic knowledge, if someone says "kill the Chinese girl" solely because she's Chinese then its offensive but if it's "kill the Chinese girl" with the intention to get everyone to know who they should be targeting (not based on race but based on progression in the game), in this context Chinese girl is basically the same as Blue haired dude, it's just a description.
@@jockin i'd say thinking that saying "kill the chinese girl" is racist its racist in itself, specially if they think that saying something like "kill the american" is not racist
Sweat Shops. @@jore2049
From what I've seen from this as an American-Korean. Coconut kind of seems like he yearns for drama and he unironically enjoys it a lot. The girl that was saying "she was attacked" is just a clear language barrier and it's not even offensive? If an enemy player says "Target the Korean" then I wouldn't take offense to this at all. She was crying over the littlest shit whereas the actual racist remarks towards Toast, didn't make him cry at all.
Yeah. Honestly she was kinda stupid. Just using Google translator and expecting it to be accurate is not an argument.
Oh yea that chick was a pussy. Crying over a language barrier and just taking it too seriously just makes them a bitch. Pretty pathetic
As i was watching the vid i just thougth about how much the spanish comm got bullyed and that coconut is piece of shit
The word racist has lost its meaning these days
the problem with these twitch rivals is that they always go to there race being the reason for everything. like in the newest rivals if your the leading team and get merge raided its not cause your spainish its because your target #1
I agree I’m so sick of people wanting to to pull the race card it’s a fucking bull shit way to cop out of losing
Well it started with the American team pulling the race card with the "Ñ" which is false, we use it constantly because it is "our letter" it only exists in Spanish it is our freaking name España. Also Mata la china is not a racist thing in Spanish "china" can mean many things in Spanish depending on the context not only "Chinese girl". And to finish that coconutB guy is a massive count that was steering the pot constantly.
W THUNDER TAKE
@@maxakamvp it's irrelevant when you play internationally. I'm not native a english speaker too and a lot of things are not considered racism in my country that doesn't mean I can say racist things on yt comments.
@@Xjuijau That is complete bullshit, the teams from the states were constantly calling everybody "mexican piece of shit", "go eat some tacos",... even though the majority of the spanish speaking streamers where not even mexican and nothing happend. The states is the most racist society in the world, is obsessed with race and see racism everywhere. If twitch don't want different languages colliding just make it national thing a shove your dollars up your ass, what is not fair is to treat streamers under a different set of rules because of nationality, THAT'S RACIST.
no way they really claimed ñ is racist right? like how tf do we come to that conclusion? what double L is also racist because they do the same thing?
americans being americans
gringos siendo gringos
They are just projecting their own racism
@@igkinatsu No one from Spain uses the word gringo. That's south of the border talk.
@@UrbanDefenseSystems damm u made a anglo moment , xD u know south america and Spain speak the same language?? Only that in Spain is more used the word guiri
I live in the US and speak both Spanish and English… honestly without context “mata la China” is really nothing negative or derogatory at all. Something like “mata la chinita” could much more seriously be considered derogatory. As for the first altercation with the twig base… is that not literally just a strategy? Hardly seems creative enough to make a compelling argument that they were bending the spirit of the rules. It just seems like the obvious thing to do.
The main issue was that the Spanish team had raided the English base earlier and destroyed their twig but the English team didn’t complain about it because as disguised toast states at the time “that’s rust baby” it wasn’t an issue till the Spanish team complained about it which btw an error happened with the server code and part of it didn’t work properly to make twig invincible so no one should have been able to break twig anyway
that raid thing was just a extremely minor problem in the first event. There was a bunch of other stuff that both teams did to each other but a big difference was that the english team keep playing on while the entire spanish team threatened to quit multiple times if the admins didn't do what they wanted. There is a really good video on what happened over the entire event
They weren’t even racist people too soft these days. Good video I know these edits took a while to make you gonna be that guy.
You're dense
maybe im biased because im a spaniard (even though i didn't watch nor really care about rivals, i just play rust lmao) but yeah this is mostly cultural shock, specially when that chinese girl started crying when called "chinofarmer" it's the sort of reaction you woulnd't have pre 2016, ever since that year the whole english sphere has been getting extra sensitive to the point of thinking this reaction is normal in adults and they should be somehow "protected" from... random words??? yeah the rest of the world is not into that weird culture (yet, any cultural change the US goes thru is very usually replicated throughout europe wether it makes sense in our envyroment or not) this whole extra soft culture is so weird from a foreigner standpoint it's sometimes funny how outlandish it sometimes is, don't know why you guys over there changed your whole culture and ways of living to catter to turbo-sheltered people with obvious arrested development
also for a bit of context on the word "chinofarmer" its just a word we use to either to describe efficient farmers, asian players or sometimes used for cracked players. it originated during the late 00s when the internet was getting more accessible and the cultural shock we had with asian players because of how seriously they took videogames in general, surpassing westerners in most competitive games
TLDR: imo it's just culture shock from sheltered people and people playing the optics game
Perhaps a quick google search on the topic would allow you to educate yourself on the historical context of Chinese immigration to The U.S. in the 19th century. Just because the term "farmer" is used in a video-game setting in the 21st century doesn't mean that this is the only context. I can see the perspective that this may have just been a misuse of language and misunderstanding, as well as seeing how historical and modern racist attitudes toward Chinese Americans led to her feeling targeted for her race.
@@EnsignRo_ >Perhaps a quick google search on the topic would allow you to educate yourself on the historical context of Chinese immigration to The U.S. in the 19th century
that's great and all but its offtopic. we are in the 21st century and playing videogames, the 19th century has basically nothing to do with this. she was farming in a videogame both in the gaming sense (getting resources) and in the literal sense (running the actual farm), it is objectively not a misuse of language in any sense but a misunderstanding on her part, which still doesn't excuse a literal grown adult crying over a whole bunch of nothing
also no, don't even try to tell me that this person suffered in any way by something that happened 200 years ago and had literally nothing to do with her
@@Frank-qn7de The entire issue here is the failure of people to make a connection to how the past influences future opinions and behavior for generations. If you don't see that then I've got nothing more to say to you.
@@EnsignRo_ It could or it couldn't. You don't see Latin people crying seriously about being a colony of Spain or the British Empire 200 years ago because nobody really cares. If you're discriminated against today, that's something, but if you feel you're discriminated against because your people were discriminated against 200 years ago, then you should go to therapy. Talking about "historical racism" attitudes toward Chinese Americans that led to her feeling targeted because of her race is hilarious and nonsensical
What controversy is there around a fucking letter?
Also, if they had said to "kill the american kid" or "kill the british kid" it wouldnt have been seen as racist.
Good insight here man,
It's unfortunate with this one because there's so much information over the course of these events. But I think a big question to ask is how did they even know she was Chinese, I think there was a lot more behind close doors that prompted her response for this.
I agree it’s not racist lol. It’s just a way to describe who they are talking about.
I've seen so many people blaming them for saying "kill the chinese farmer" and I think it's a super big missunderstanding. In spanish we have a gaming idiom that says "chino farmer" which if I'm not mistaken is what the spanish streamers said. It translates to "chinese farmer" and its origin comes from the super grinding culture MMORPGs from Asia. And sure one might think the idiom itself is racist if they didn't know any better but I'm sure they meant no harm by that comment, it was just unfortunate timing and situation. Maybe they shouldn't have said it, but in our language it means no harm :(. Nice video@@JackShephardTV
Also after watching the full video I have some personal opinions. I might be biased but as much as there is to blame some of the Spanish competitors for their actions somehow CononutB is always involved and to me that's as bad if not worse. Also, about english streamers specifically targeting team Pampots in the last twitch rivals. As I was watching it I feel like there is no denying they were at least partially targeting them which honestly sucked the fun out of the event for me. I was just not fun to watch them be so stressed and overwhelmed. I feel like this issue will be dragged on until there is a change in the mentality of the players which I feel is impossible. It was a really good video@@JackShephardTV
@@phalanx5667 Ok, but why do you feel compelled to bring up race or nationality? It is clearily not necesary. Their avatar is in the games, not the streamer themselves, so descriptiveness cannot be used as an excuse.
I sure as hell wouldn't be having a sook if someone said "kill the Australian guy", or "kill the Australian farmer"
Surely, I think the reason Rennie was upset in this case was because similar to the Coco or DisguisedToast situation, making those types of comments can lead to hate beyond even what the streamers know. Which is why an argument can event exist for both sides here. Hope you enjoyed my guy!
@@JackShephardTVBro, she’s such a softie to react the way she did. Pretty confident she cries the same way when her ice-cream flavor runs out at the store. Jokes aside, if you start pandering to everyone on that level, there will never be conflict resolution. She’s got to toughen up and the admins needs to be wiser.
@@sulysan Hard facts
Thats because you're a white guy who's never faced hate because of your skin color, obviously. Its really funny to see shit like this. Like, yeah, me too man, whats your point? Not everyone is as tough as you and me. Not everyone has had lives without hate like you and me. Maybe, just maybe, people live different lives and have different capacities. Shes also a woman man, grow up.
I'm mexican and if i was farming I wouldn't be upset if someone called me a mexican farmer lmfao. If they let it slide there would've been waay less drama
From a Spanish perspective i can say that all of this was just a misunderstanding caused by the language barrier i can ensure u that words like chinofarmer are not racist and are of common use among the gaming world because it come from the idea that the Asian clans always are the bigger ones on the mmo industry.
As always this could have been fixed if the viewers and streamers just understood the other community pov.
Great video though 👌
It's a stereotype that skirts the line between racism and casual microaggression. Not all Chinese people are farmers in MMO's, especially when many of the content creators who are Asian are Chinese American. I think that's why people got angry.
It also could have been avoided if the organizers didn’t invite emotionally and socially immature people into the $100,000 SERIOUS tournament where there are real stakes. So dumb
@@ManaDeplete microagressions 😂😂😂😂😂
Mate, is a question of quantity, asians are the bigger farmers of any MMO by a huge difference, there is nothing you can do about it.@@ManaDeplete
@@ManaDeplete 🤓🤓🤓🤓😆😆😆🤣🤣
I feel like an often ignored angle of the chinese mention is that the spanish streamers didnt even know she was chinese. Its just a common term used by spanish speakers to describe farmers in general since the chinese are generally the ones known as farmers due to their way of playing in large zergs, so it just stayed as a default cultural term.
So in my view, her reaction was honestly an absolute joke. However i will admit its possible the reaction may have been caused by a miss representation from her viewers. After all, it was a common theme during the entire twitch rivals that i spent scratching my head and being incredibly annoyed at seeing all the streamers try to use google translate and understand what the other side was saying when often times google translate not only fails to do the job properly, it will sometimes even convey something totally different.
I wish more people would use modern AI-driven translators like deepl instead of the old relic that is google translate. Its also an issue of punctuation which makes these translators struggle.
See the phrase that toast translated. If you were to add a comma before the last word, the translation would become the following:
"you do not know if you are gringo ... Chinese or Korean ... you don't even have an identity, you scumbag." which has a very different connotation. Goes from saying his identity is thrash, to saying he's trash for not having one.
Playing Ark when the chinese invaded pvp servers, anyone with characters or names that weren't english were automatically dubbed Chinese because no one could read it and they were the commonly found ones to be cheating.
Crying and complaining doesn’t make you right. Nothing they said was really that bad or racist. For some reason in the short term people think it’s acceptable to act like children and lose all resilience to altercations and cry.
Been saying this. That girl was a absolutely emotionally insecure and socially immature. She should not have been invited to a tournament with $100,000 on the line. The organizers knew it would get heated. Also to cry over that? Really? Just tell them to go fuck themselves don’t cry about it. You make yourself look like a loser. If it wasn’t for the cameras rolling I’ll be everyone of the other streamers there thought to themselves “wow she’s really crying over some low level barely even an insult” (even though it was a miss communication)
Rust events with any kind of rules will always be a disaster and people who don't even play the game would know this immediately. The controversy and issues with these events are the sole fault of the creators regardless of how toxic either team is.
Right and than they invite emotionally immature and insecure people who don’t play the game into the $100,000 tournament 😂😂😂 clown show
@@rhettshanley8712 Rust is certainly not for the emotionally immature. I feel like a bad person, but I'm glad to see it still isn't. Gives me some hope that rust might, just might, one day come back around to the horrifying wasteland of suffering it once was.
i miss the old days of rust when admins would tell people to keep the racism in voice chat
Your videos are great man, really brings back some memories from old Rust and you do some amazing research and put countless hours into making these, keep them up my man
Thanks man! I've been around for a long time in Rust, and I always wanted to share these stories, I'm glad you guys enjoy them.
some bans where deserved in the spanish teams, but the "mata la china" was not malicious, as a spanish speaker from south america we tend to call people by nicknames very often, we have friends and families that we never call them by their names ever, i never knew my own abuelito name untill 2 years after he died because no one called him by his name, same goes for some friends, some nicknames can be very offensive if translated to english.
Honestly the Team Panpots situation was wild. Great Documentary
When spoon and stimpee are not in it, why watch it
So here is the thing: I speak English and an I am American, but by no standard does my friend in Germany have to contort his language and social norms he is used to because he lives in Germany to my standards simply because I am in another country. Literally this entire video is a showcase on why diversity without understanding that you will run into things you disagree with or even hear things you find monstrous when you engage with another country, culture, and or social group.
A prime example is Japan bars that do not let anyone who is not Japanese in. Why this is done is because drinking in Japan has a different culture behind it and foreigners tend not the grasp that so they just gate keep them out for the sake of social order. If you want diversity expect people to fight as cultures, languages, traditions, and a whole plethora of other things become the reason people fight. Literally wars were waged because of not understanding languages and people getting butt hurt someone said something they thought was mean but was something as simple as "Who are you?"
TLDR: You want diversity, expect fighting between established social groups.
Lmao watching that vtuber crying was so cringe, truly an anglo moment.
Basado
anglo momento
Anglo moment? 🤣
She is American Chinese, there's nothing Anglo about her you clueless swine
bro look at your pfp before speakin
@@LunaPPK doesn't change what he said 😂😂😂
ima need 15 percent of that ad... lmaoo great video as always bro
I'll see you in court 🙂 Haha. Glad you enjoyed my guy!
I feel like they should just stop inviting spanish people to twitch rivals or atleast putting them against english speaking streamers, i mean like if i grew up somewhere where racism is not a problem and nobody is really bothered about me saying the nword, does that mean i should go and call people the nword during an event?
"Chinese Farmer" has been a common term since at least 2005, because it wasn't uncommon for people in china to perform repetitive tedious activities for in-game gold and sell it for real world money. Just like how it was commonly known that someone that tagged themself with BR or repeatedly said "BR!" or "BR?" was not a good player and probably had really toxic behavior. They definitely weren't being racist. But even if people are saying racist things, so what?
amazing how you has such a good post to the last sentence lol had to slip and fall
Outstanding work. Beautifully crafted and thought provoking. Happy to have gotten a chance to contribute. Cheers!
Appreciate you so much on this one Rezen, your a huge part for why this video was so great. Thanks making it happen man!
There are a lot of cultural differences, but many of the problems originated because the rules were not clear, and they were created as the tournament took place. And the admins were patching what they could, but everything was already lost. Because of inequality. For example:
The first complaint that the Spanish had in the first rival was that the servers were in the US, and that the events were always outside their time zone.
DISCLOUSURE: I'm HISPANIC. We need to get this very clear, N and Ñ ARE NOT the same letter. The problem here is not only a cultural thing, but more like an educational or academic problem. We all need to be educated more.
This ^
I remember reading about all of this and it was so stupid to me
I'm not spanish, but I know about those letters ( or evne the sounds and how you pronounce certain words )
English people usually don't have idea what those are, or mean
They even ban some of the letters on their Twitch chat, and other places, so you can't use Ñ or À and Á or Ç or à , and so on
And they wouldn't understand the NH or ÃO
Nowadays everything seems to be like you're always attacking, or getting attacked
That's what it's getting out of hand
There is literally no reason to cry over being called Chinese when you are Chinese.
im spanish, i don't play rust nor watch anyone of this spanish speaking content creators, take that as you will, i will try to stay as neutral as possible while saying my opinion on the matter understanding both languages and spanish culture slightly deeper than most here
first this particular group of famous spanish speaking content creators are man-children, most of their fanbase are children or were children like myself at the time, their actions and ways of managing stuff are really child like and they definitively did things incorrectly leading to misunderstanding and hate, triggering the english speakers which is understandable to a reasonable extent, english speakers didn't manage it well either but not as bad, the death threats by the other hand are empty and they come from children trying to defend their favourite youtuber, don't blame the spanish speaking youtubers but you can't also really blame the children, blame their attitude
as for english speaking content creators, Ñ or ñ or eñe, is not racist, i will not tolerate you guys giving it that meaning i don't care why, you do not have the right to decided anything about my language and culture and its a direct and very personal insult for anyone of you to feel in anyway entitled to that decision, pretending you can do that is idiotic and a lack of common sense, we use that letter as a way to show we are proud of ourselfs and a way to recognize each other in a mostly english speaking internet, nothing more nothing else, for the most part tho i think you guys acted with responsability and rationality, i don't blame your response to what you felt was an attack, it only makes sense
about chinese or asian comments, i can defend our humor as our society really respects strenght and humor is usually a way to test that but those comments weren't that "kill the chinese" is just an unfortunate com but "chinofarmer" was out of place even if it was intended as something funny, i believe she could've take it better but its not her duty either to do so, specially when she hasn't grown up with our culture, i just assure you that the comment wasn't motivated by actual thoughts of racism, spanish team is full of man-children tho so they don't think twice before making a joke like that so i also feel they deserved the backlash
this is how i see the situation explained in the video, english speakers in my opinion managed it better and im sorry for this to be the first impression many of you may have had to spanish speaking content creators, i cannot recommend them tho, their content does suck ass regardless lol
Awesome how you put it together that way.👍🏻
Would like to know what you think about my general comment on the video, I’ll also add it in here.
Me as a German I wasn’t part of the drama at the time. I didn’t even really knew a lot about what actually happened and couldn’t be bothered to care.
But after seeing this, I can profoundly say that the problem lays with Spanish speaking communities!
English is THE lingua mundi (world language) of our time and trying to interact with other people from all over the world, especially gaming, was destined to go this way!
My opinion on this is very clear, if you’re unable or unwilling to communicate in English with the rest of the world that does so, than please stay in your lingual community but don’t start shit like this!
That's what happens when you play with Americans, and with an American company known for extreme wokeness. You're always going to lose.
thank u for keeping ur screenshots of tweets up for longer than half a frame i was genuinely just watching a video that was a reaction to hate someone got for just making a video and the clips of tweets were for like .0001 seconds it was impossible to pause on them and rewinding even a second wouldnt show it was so annoying but ur fire good video
Trying to remove racism from rust is like trying to get rid of criminals from the world. You can get rid of most but there is always new ones that pop up.
People w/ weak mentality shouldn’t compete in competitive events
I mean... this is pretty much how actual wars in real life start and begin.
Doesn't really shock me at all. This is literally the crust of Basic Human History at play but in a video game.
Instead of King Henry John George the XKVII of Paris against King Jose Georgio Lionel of Palatine its Team A vs Team B in Rust.
rust and racism? who would've thought
Great video as usual
BapRust one of my favorite viewers as usual, haha. Glad you enjoyed my guy. Who would of thought, I think what makes this story crazy is this is people with massively followings just treating it like a call of duty match.
Looks like someone didnt hire a REAL translator. It is blatantly apparant as this could be all solved with one or two english to spanish translators participating/narrating the event. Definitely all twitches fault.
The insane irony of a video titled this is hilarious
Normalfriends are the worst thing that has ever happened to rust
We failed to gate keep and it cost us everything
Putting the clip of flix raging at si6ler as the “are you having a bad day” is funny af 😂
If you listen closely in the intro the background music is dying light 1 OST
Good catch, should try to look for the ambient tracks too, most of the OST for both games is in here. One of my favorite games for sure.
@@JackShephardTVGood catch!
calculating lakey’s 1ks by looking at his thirst in the bottom right
(1ks meaning 1 kill a life, or a death between two conjoining clips)
first clip is a dif server thats -10
between the second and third clip his thirst goes from 4996 to 4999 showing he died and it’s a 1k, that’s -5
at 0:24 he goes from 4993 to 4994 then to 4996, then to 4999 very bad looks that’s gonna be a -10
0:35 he goes from 4995 to 4997 and 0:39 from 4995 to 5000 -5
at 0:48 he goes from 4972 to 4997 and from 4997 to 4998 -10
at 0:54 he goes from 4997 to 4999 and the reason he gets the kill is from server error -8
the tage starts at 0:12 and ends 1:02, this is 50 seconds of clips on a battlefield so that’s -60
putting all that together lakey gets a -8/100 on the ot scale, he is officially kicked from ot 😅 DATTEBAYO
BUT WAIT! at one point lakey got a good 5k! and another he got a pretty good 6k! that’s a plus 20 right there so the real score is 12/100! a failing grade! you are never welcomed into ot again lakey
BUT WAIT AGAIN!!! FEMBOYS AREN’T ALLOWED INTO THE OT CLAN AND NOT ONLY IS LAKEY A FEMBOY BUT HE IS IN CALL *ALONE* WITH 2 OTHER FEMBOYS AND A GAY MAN!!! LAKEY THAT IS A BIG NONO ON THE OT CONTENT CREATION ENDORSEMENT LIST AND NOT ONLY IS THAT ONLY A -100 BUT YOU ARE WATCHING FEMBOY FISHING WITH THEM AND WITH *MY* LITTLE BROTHER WHO IS 7!!! LAKEY THAT IS -80!!! This leaves lakey’s score at -168/100!
BUT WAIT!!! HE’S JEWISH AND EVERYBODY KNOWS JEWS ARE FORBIDDEN FROM THE OT CLAN!!! This means lakey gets BANISHED!!!
BUT WAIT!!!!!! JEWS OWN HOLLYWOOD!!! LAKEY MADE THE RAIN INTRO AND EVERY OT TONZA MOVIE!!!! THIS MEANS LAKEY GETS INVITED TO THE OT 2024 REUNION AND AN INVITE WHILST EXCOMMUNICATO FROM THE OT CLAN!!!
LAKEY IS OFFICIALLY OT’S JEW WITH A FINAL SCORE OF -168/100 IN INTERNAL FACTORS AND -800/100 IN EXTERNAL!!! WOOHOOO WELCOME OT LAKEY!!!!!
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After bringing in OT’s critic; OT BULLY MARSLEY, to the table… It is with a heavy heart I, OT Tonza, and OT dinling have to say that we will need to cancel your membership based off your late performance… We simply cannot endorse a player that uploads 0:52 of battlefield clips and 0:56 of nothing related… We are sorry OT Lakey; but from this point on, we strip you of your accommodations such as; the OT Mousepad, OT Wallpaper, and most importantly; the OT tag. From this point on you are now regarded as simply: Lakey Rust. Tacularr will email your JEWISH parents to inform them of yours and our loss. Thank you
Sincerely, the OT Team
P.S. Using clips of your silly goofy lesbian femboy trans xe/xem/xir friends saying such line as “I can’t hit you when you’re strafing” is not a flex. Delete this and do better and you may receive an invite in the coming days, but as of now; expect nothing of the sort. Goodbye
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@@isthatotisyour are so helpful lakey a fraud!!!!
One of my fav games ever ^^
why this girl at 11 minutes crying over this xD... mfs jus aint built for this
Rust and Racism is like bread and butter
The Spanish chat hoppers have been unhinged every event.
This videos summary:
The "Rust Racism Controversy" is a series of events that occurred during the Twitch Rivals: Rust Game Battle, a gaming competition featuring teams from both English-speaking and Spanish-speaking communities. The controversy began with cultural and language misunderstandings between the teams, escalating into heated debates, derogatory language, and death threats. The situation highlighted the challenges of bridging language barriers and cultural differences in online gaming communities.
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We don't support JAJAJA or XAXAXA here, just HAHAHA
Since the start of me playing rust until now, the culture of the game has changed drastically. I used to spawn in to official servers and would hear racist words and phrases constantly. It was apart of rust. I think Rust is going to find itself in an even harder place with the more PC people/streamers play the game. They will clash with those who have played the game for years. Rust is Toxicity.
Good video actually made me feel like the spanish speakers are more in the right.
Both done wrong but the woke twitch streamers can’t comprehend people talk different in different countries.
I think the problems lies in the difference of trolling in game, and straight up attacking people via socials, constant harassment, and threats well past the end of an event.
I speak enough spanish to tell you that the Hispanic team for twitch rivals was ABSOLUTELY saying some of the most horrid shit I have heard in a game lobby in a long time. It was extremely hateful and very very racially charged. They were ruthless and thought it was extremely funny.
This has only been going around for 4 years.. cultural differences take time to understand, reorganize, this is nothing but a learning process. 10 years down the line I can only imagine the new era of gamers who are learning and understanding from what's going on now and in thier time they will adjust to all these negativity and unite towards making a online gameing community which will influence only good in this world.
OTV was the worst thing to ever happen to Rust. The Devs thought they were the future of the game and sold out all the dedicated players that had been around for years just to appease them and they didn't even stick around. Now we are left with a shit game with a bunch of soft core pussy mechanics that no one likes.
I felt like you massively understated the amount of cheating done by the spanish teams. Maybe that's because I'm an English speaker but it seems like you intentionally didnt go into detail about each cheating scandal and instead opted for a more lazy approach... bummer. Multiple Spaniards have agreed with me online about their wrongdoing and basically said these Spanish streamers were not the best choices for Spanish Rust streamers.
Hey Jman, thanks for watching the video. I get where your coming from, however I feel I covered the cheating pretty well for all the events. The only account that I didn't include that I'm aware of is the scrap helicopter being spawned in for Twitch Rivals 1, since I felt the point got across when I spoke about Event staff returning loot to each other.
If your talking about players, playing with scripters or actually cheating through a client, I'm aware of some accusations, but without proof, I can't specifically call out anyone individually.
This a super tough topic to cover for how controversial it is, so I never throw my personal opinions in, I give you guys the facts and let you decide. Anyways thanks for the feedback.
Bottom line, the players and their communities took it too far and should have just left it all on the game field. I think things would also have been viewed all this time in better regards if teams didn't just up and quit. Take the Ls. Lick your wounds. And keep coming back to try again...
I removed my original comment and will just say that national pride is only ever an issue when it's Europeans or Americans showing it. Otherwise it's embraced and even encouraged.
So basically it's just pure jealousy and resentment.
Great video as always Jack!
In this rivals Spain, cheated by teleporting to safeoutpost using an exploit, broke their own tc and refused to play after two members were kicked out, leaked the ip causing the entire server to go down disruputing a $100,000 tournament, but here comes the biased spain community saying they’ve done nothing wrong
From what I've seen the teleporting and leaking ip was stupid af. But kicking 2 of their members for saying callouts in game is crazy which lead to the team opting to not play anymore. Its simple to see that 'kill the Chinese girl' and 'China farmer' were callouts for killing the Chinese's player who was farming materiel's in game.
But what can you do when people take things that are not racist serious that ideology seems to have come straight from America.
Biased like you rn trying to play the blameless victim? When we just watched you in the video being always involved in the controversy either instigating or throwing gas on the fire?
Look man, I'm gonna de 100% real with you. You're a super toxic player and I like that about you, I think it's funny content. It's what Rust is about. But don't be a little bitch and own up to it. Lots of you americans and europeans have this crazy idea in your heads that specific words, regardless of context, carry way more weight than attitudes towards people. You think you can say whatever the fuck you want as long as you don't say the politically incorrect words and that makes you more righteous than someone who said a word without meaning any offense because you find it offensive in your culture. It's concerning how naturalized imperialism has become that you're not even aware you're actively playing into enforcing it on other cultures.
Overall, I think the spanish teams are to blame the most for all the controversy inside the event gameplay-wise, just to make it clear. I'm not siding with them. But I'm not gonna pretend this isn't a back and forth fight going on between both parties. You're a major player in further escalating the conflict, everytime. So if you're gonna be commenting on a video like this, either keep playing your toxic persona or have a moment of self reflection. This poor attempt at gaining sympathy in your comment, from someone who's playing the character you do, is just a weak bitch move.
Hey Coco! I'm glad you enjoyed it, man. Yeah, I appreciate the huge amount of resources you provided over all these events from your POV. Otherwise this video wouldn't of been possible. Looking forward to the next rivals!
@@Nameless_Strinova those streamers are just stupid, want to see racist where there isnt
imagine being that mad to come to this video just to cry
Whoever made Rennie cry was hella out of pocket for that. I was so cooked while playing in the last Rivals it's nice to get to watch this well made summary of the events. Great work as always Jack. ☕
agreed mister tom
Congratulations on the win my guy, I watched your guys streams quite a lot during the event. Yeah I think the real issue whether they knew or not for the Spanish players was it was the outcome for saying those words and having viewers attack her and her community which is the real problem. It's super unfortunate, and it might just be a difference of ideals for individualism in the US to collectivism for Spanish speakers, but what they say, truly impacts everyone around them.
being called a Chinese farmer while you're a Chinese farmer is definitely worth crying for 😂
L take, guess getting called a "chinese farmer" when you are literally chinese and farming is something to be offended over and cry about
@@cherndon-h2g na take =brain dead take
I dont know man, how about instead of just saying that players have a common ground in playing rust so therefore they should all get along, how about they commit some of that revenue to educating participants in media literacy?? so they can afford controversies directly related to terms of service? if you are having an international event, that does require certain investments to ensure that cultures can interact without issue
avoid* not afford
You deserve at least an equal attention to that of the top rust content creators. Great work man.
Bro the dying light OST fit so perfectly, gave me goosebumps.
Really good job you got a new sub, keep it up
It boils my blood how people say "Kill the chinese girl" is racist and offensive, meanwhile i need to hide my nationality as an Brazillian in any game because i'm LATAM/Doesn't speak or understand english/My "race" doesn't know to behave in multiplayer games.
People are just too sensitive
the spanish TOTALLY outplayed the english with that twig, and they cried it's cheating lmao. no my man, they were way ahead of you and not only you can't read the rules, you can't admit that you broke them which is beyond cringe. i fucking love rust especially when i can be watching the drama without actively participating
it takes a very special sort of person to survive and thrive in the environment that is rust, both inside and out of the game.
I personally think Events like these should at least have a common language because things being Taken out of context is a real issue
Twitch Rivals 3 was by far the best. Its sad that the other ones couldnt be like that without controversy etc.
Can we all just appreciate Dying Light edit in the beginning?.. I freakin' loved that part
Hey man I would like to say keep up the good work, I rlly enjoy your documentaries man.
Thanks for your support man, hope you have an awesome weekend!
@@JackShephardTV You too, Cheers.
Great video, I just have one observation, it´s "grefg" no "gregf"
Rust is more real than real life. Its freedom to enjoy the ups and downs of a harsh world.
100%, Rust is very special in a really unique way. Most games wouldn't even have the types of possibilities to coordinate simple events, compared to getting leading online influencers from countries together to compete.
When Jack uploads you already know its gonna be entertaining. Keep the work up love the videos!
"Social Media made y'all way to comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it." - Mike Tyson
Neither side would be saying any of the shit they said if they were able to fight each other about what was said.
100%, yeah the online landscape has brought a lot of thoughts to head that otherwise wouldn't be acted upon. Good insight.
That is just sheer speculation, accompanied by a quote from a dangerous 🙉
@@Omni_Shamblesterminally online person sticking up for terminally online people
Lmfao dude! Check your pic. You idolise yet another very dangerous 🙉. Grow up child. @@Zay_WVTTZ
@@Omni_Shambles take your meds
In COD Vanguard you don’t have to worry about races, it’s just my team and the enemy team.
Only if life was that simple haha. Hope you enjoyed.
The dying light OST does a great job on that intro, you recreated the chills the game gave me 10/10 job on that
One of my favorite games glad you enjoyed!
@@JackShephardTV they are very good but the way you narrated paralleling the intro for the game and used to music is amazing
"What did i do to deserve people being racist towards me? when all I'm doing is farming" Welcome to Rust
I feel like if youre going to be an online media personality you're going to have to have thick skin because the world isn't fair like that.
@@HawaiianForgeStudios yeah exactly, i don't condone being racist of course, but thats just how people are, she shouldn't be getting so upset about random people on the internet trying to hurt feelings, they are only doing that shit to make her angry or upset
fr and it wasnt even racism
By the way, you using Dying Light 2's soundtrack in this video made my day. That OST is SO GOOD.
Me as a German I wasn’t part of the drama at the time. I didn’t even really knew a lot about what actually happened and couldn’t be bothered to care.
But after seeing this, I can profoundly say that the problem lays with Spanish speaking communities!
English is THE lingua mundi (world language) of our time and trying to interact with other people from all over the world, especially gaming, was destined to go this way!
My opinion on this is very clear, if you’re unable or unwilling to communicate in English with the rest of the world that does so, than please stay in your lingual community but don’t start shit like this!
People are kinda missing the point about Rennie's reaction when this video is entirely on language barriers. I feel like I'm the only sane person asking myself why she would be crying over being called that stuff and realizing Chinese people often get stereotyped with farming. Idk, I feel like most of these issues, even displayed in this video amongst the streamers, wouldn't exist if people were to calm their narcissism for a few minutes and reevaluate what just happened in the moment.
its not based on real life its slang for how cn player grind in mmo games. alos bro thats a vietnamese stereotype the last time china was known for farming is the qing.
they not missing the point they are being obtuse willingly
really good video honestly I was shocked when i looked at your sub count the production quality is insane!
so worth the 1 month wait keep the work up with these great videos
the production quality of this video was great loving the vids
I think the issues discussed in the video should mostly be blamed not on one of the sides of the conflict, but rather on the organizers of the event. It's literally their function to create a safe and welcome environment for participants to play rust in. Many of the issues could be avoided by simply having a properly structured and thought out ruleset.
Although, more drama - more viewers I suppose?
me when recoil changes were supposed to cater to otv roleplayers. didnt expect them to be more toxic than old head chads
What a crazy vid to watch and I had no idea this even happened on rust. Keep up the good work Jack
Great video, I'm a mexican Rust player and content creator, and I see the controversy just as you explained it, just a cultural miss understanding from both sides. We can do better. GL out there. (:
Coconut b was quite literally smoking that op pack
always a good day when we get a jack video
The easy way to make this all go away is very simple. Mix up the teams and force them to work together. Don’t divide them amongst language barriers.
never met a Spanish speaker without an ego
You can explain certain things like the language barriers on the smaller controversies. However when someone on the Spanish team leaks the server because they are a sore lower then it's obvious who's in the wrong. Like there seems to be alot worse than what people were saying like doxing and cheating going on.
Thanks for doing this! I watched many of these events live and through youtube and I got a very fragmented view of all the narratives. If anything what's missing from these events is what FancyOrb has in his events. An overarching narration from an admin POV. I don't take the drama seriously, seems like every team would pull out the victim card every time they were losing. Also the rules should have been modded in game, instead of saying "don't raid", just make it impossible to raid. The twig rivals event shows how both teams found smart ways to bend the rules in their favour and even right after that the admins were nowhere to be found or make a clear judgement.
"Mata la china" had me in tears 🤣🤣
bro used dying light theme songs, RESPECT
Fuck yea! Racism and Rust is like bread and butter!
the dying light background music hits different
the dying light music really works here
It's just sad that we can't just down and talk about all the misunderstandings and cultural deferences, so we'd all come to a understanding
Nah the reine crying clip got me really sad for her and idk her... wtf
she took things way too serious when there wasnt any racism going on but rather just a callout in game to kill the 'chinese' which she is 'farmer' which she was doing in game (farming materials)
I mostly can't belive any of these people are grown adults
It certainly doesn't help that controversy creates currency. At this point, it feels like a game of greed and whoever can cry the loudest will be able to milk the most views and streams out of it after-the-fact.