Let us never forget the bravery, quick thinking, and efficiency Commander Thorn and his men showed in their last stand to give Padme a precious few seconds.
Our Thorn. It may be over the top, but perhaps the Clone brothers who fell *before* Order 66 was given, were the "lucky" ones. Don't know it's a tough call.
It’s makes sense the Clone Army was breed and trained to fight perhaps the most deadliest war that the Galaxy has ever fought in, that made the Shock Troopers in the Republic Capital the disrespected force within the Grand Army of the Republic, because they were seen by their brothers as glorified police force to the Republic elite. This hatred from their brothers was very much seen as a result of the horrors of the war, and the Shock Troopers were also seen as incompetent considering all of the terrorists attacks, assassinations, and kidnapping important individuals under their watch.
One of the things I love about the Star Wars prequels is they’re so relatable. The Republic didn’t become the Empire by Force, it was by choice. By “thunderous applause”!
I didn't even get mad when they killed Fives because what they did was justified. But people seem to misunderstand the situation so then the hate comes.
@@SgtHawk45 It can be similar to police in real life. Most of the time, a suspect, in Star Wars' case, Fives, holds up a gun, or blaster pistol, at the police, the Coruscant Guard, and then proceeds to be shot by them. I don't blame Fox or Fives. Fives wasn't himself, that was clear, as he was under the effects of a drug, most likely the one that Nala Se(?), I think it was, injected into him.
@@thatonewaspatyourpicnic7978 Yeah, he seemed a lot more... hyperactive? More reactive? I was noticing something was up and wondered wtf the Kaminoans gave him that made him so... out there.
@@gamingwith3033 yeah but the troopers escalated the situation. If you rush a dude in a hostage situation (especially when he thinks he's going to be killed) he's going to try and defend himself. They should have calmly approached or at the very least used the stun option on that gun. Fox was given kill orders. He was loyal to Palpatine solely and Palpatine wouldn't take that risk
Actually im very disappointed about shock troopers,as a child,they were my favorite clones,love their design and everything about them,but in fact they were one of the worst clone units in the Republic.
It's kind of an ironic name given that in our world Shock troopers are the front line of the front line, serving in the most high casualty combat roles to be seen in historical military campaigns.
Given their initial training, that's exactly what they were meant to be. But then they were given to the corrupt republic government, which had no idea how to fight a war because they hadn't in so long everyone forgot. So of course they picked the most elite clone force to serve as their personal police force, it would be a sign of status and a balm to the paranoia many senators likely began to develop as the war began. And so they were left stagnant to be corrupted into Palpatines SS, instead of providing any tangible benefit to the war.
Yeah pretty much. I first thought these guys weren't officially the Shock Troops but more like the Clone GARs MPs. Since that's what they kept doing. Sure, Shock Forces, Commandos, Front line troops CAN and do probably such work at times but what a waste when the title alone implies that City Guard work is an should be light work to them an their true role shoulda been to do so much MORE. Maybe these guys wouldn't also been so much hated on had they maybe had a thing where maybe the Unit or type of it like these was on a cycle an Clones rotated between Frontline forces like the 501st an after awhile moved back to more "rear" work like the Coruscant Guard after a time or to recover from injuries enough to return to the lines, that sorta thing.
@@CollinMcLean works in real life. No reason to think couldn't have worked for them too. "Planet Duty" as a tour would be a Vacation for some units given some battlefields. An since they're basically Cloned Soldier/Slaves it's about as close to R&R as a GAR Clone would get too
For everyone wondering, the narrator here is the fill-in narrator for Geetsly's. As I understand it, this is only a temporary change, and the usual voice behind the videos will be returning soon. There's a pinned comment on "Was this Forgotten Sith the Most DANGEROUS in the Galaxy?" - Uploaded 2/15/22 - that explains this as well, but I figured I should drop a comment here that will hopefully clear things up for anyone who's confused. Another solid video, shining a bit more light on this very dark section of the G.A.R.
I feel like theyre demonized more than they deserve. Fox actually *did* gave Fives a chance (despite being ordered by the chancellor himself to execute him immediantly), he told him to freeze, but Fives reached for a weapon. Every police officer in the world would have shot at that point. Fives was already proven guilty, there was video material of Fives attacking the chancellor (obviously Palpatines talk with him was not catched by camera). And keep in mind Fox saved Padme and captured Zero the Hut, one of the most powerful gangsters on the planet.
@@couriervi8741 No, CG just had like 4 or so Commanders, Thorn was one and he was in charge of the republic dignitary's which was what pad me was doing on scipio.
Quite a quality breakdown, honestly. I never actually noticed how senate guards gradually seemed to be phased out as the series goes on, without any pomp, circumstance, or overt commentary on it for the benefit of the audience. Not only do they function as a combination of military police and SWAT/KGB, but they can very clearly be interpreted as a hand of palpatine’s direct influence. Honestly, the way that the prequel era manages to insert political commentary on the nature of freedom, security, and the possible dangers of an overreaching government never cease to surprise me. For the life of me though, I’ll never understand why ‘shock troopers’ were held back and relegated to police service on the capital. Surely they’d have been able to put that training to better use on the front lines?
In a competent government with the slightest idea how to fight a war, certainly. In the corrupt republic, which hadn't fought a full scale war in so long it had forgotten how, and where having the most respected military force assigned to guard the senate would be seen as a mark of status... well we get this waste, the corruption of a valuable military asset into a military police force, Palpatines personal SS/KGB
@@ninjabot567 Shock and awe are a part of what it means to be a ‘shock troop,’ but they’re generally supposed to be types of infantry specialized in rapid assault, attacking fortified or hard to take positions, raids, or in being the first over the top. Think German stormtroopers from WW1. ‘Shock and Awe’ are more like symptoms of their tactics rather than what they rely on.
In the early Empire the 501st or at least many of them including Apo were rolled into the Shocktroopers for a little while, possibly to obscure the fact that Anakin was Vader. He only "Took control" of the 501st later.
Also Vader created a new legion with some 501st peeps and some other people as well and made the 1st legion. He made both the 501st and 1st all rounders rather than "let's do some war crimes to win the battle because we are too shit to win normally!" kind of legions
Legends Shocktroopers got to upgrade to the Shadows of the Empire Coruscant Guard in all red armor with the really cool X-visor. Though one illustration of them just... Forgets the forearm and elbow. There's an elbow PLATE but nothing in it, so it's not supposed to be an amputee.
I love how the shock troopers (reds) are close to Palpatine while the 501st (blues) are close to Anakin/Vader. And seeing Anakin acting hostile towards the shock troopers in The Clone Wars during the scene in the prison Ahsoka was held in.
“No attempt made to arrest him”- I feel like everyone ignores that Fox told Fives to stand down, more than once, and instead Fives went for a blaster. I also feel like the “defend against the enemy not become the enemy” applies to all of the clones, not just Shock Troopers.
True, though I might say that normal police protocol in a situation involving hostages, like with Fives, is to negotiate for their release first and try to end things peacefully, not touch down and run straight in waving a gun and barking orders, that's going to result likely in the suspect panicking and someone getting killed, as we saw. Agreed "made no attempt to arrest" is the wrong wording, but the attempt that was made was a bit heavy handed and abrupt, deviating from what might be considered acceptable for police.
they are still clones, subtlety isnt exactly their strong suitand they rather go in gun blazing ,most of the time clones rather blasted CIS strongholds to dust than caring to check for civilians especially seperatist civilians and honestly they mawed them down like droids if it wasnt for the jedi and their morale bs that annoyed a lot of clones and got them killed because of this weakness
Fives only grabbed the weapon because FOX and HIS MEN charged at FIVES with their guns pointing at him first, instead of calmly approaching him, ofc anyone who sees troopers running at them w guns pointed at them without slowing down is going to want to defend themselves. Fox AND his men, are to blame for Fives death.
@@asaschuemann9545 I suppose its because it began as a hunt rather than a hostage situation. Before Fox arrived, he didnt know Fives had Rex and Anakin captive. And even then, they were behind a ray shield which would mean Fives couldnt really harm them. Fox tried to give Fives a fair chance whilst having to obey the orders he had from the Supreme Chancellor. Add the fact he now had taken two War Heroes hostage, Fives was showing too many things to just arrest. Everyone forgets as well that Fives was also an ARC Trooper, had made an attempt on Palpatine and was a clone. He wouldnt be seen as anything more than a powerful droid
Bruh, Commander Foxe gave Fives several chances to surrender before he opened fire. He literally said "stand down" multiple times, told Fives to get on his knees, and said "don't do it, soldier" when he saw that Fives was about to reach for his weapons He didn't shoot until Fives was literally pointing a blaster at him.
Thorn was an idiot. If he wanted to get into the city maybe he could've given the city people a call, or asked padme to ask them. If he wanted to slow down the droids he could've had his corvette destroy the bombers and gunships, since corvettes are anti-fighter and probably would've destroyed the whole force, or enough for the gunships to survive the attack
I’m surprised this hasn’t been expanded on with imperial shock troopers. They’ve only really appeared in the first EA battlefront game as a customization option, but I’d be cool if they had some proper lore and use in Star Wars.
Clone Shocktroopers: Complete jokes and memes with few exceptions. Exceptions like Thire, Jek, Rys, Thorn, and Thorn's men. But in truth they are far more terrifying than what most people would believe, and far more of a threat too. Imperial Shocktroopers: Death incarnate. If you see them your dead regardless of which side you're on. Also is this a new voice? This is the first I've ever heard this guy's voice. Sounds nice, he does this job really well.
Legends Shocktroopers got to upgrade to the Shadows of the Empire Coruscant Guard in all red armor with the really cool X-visor. Though one illustration of them just... Forgets the forearm and elbow. There's an elbow PLATE but nothing in it, so it's not supposed to be an amputee. Also a shock staff thing.
This guy was added as a substitute for the video on Karnas Mor in case Geetsly has something going on. They also did a video on the hippies of Tatooine.
Okay to be fair, Fives did try to reach for a blaster while Fox was telling him not to do it. Even though Fives would only stun, that's not something that Fox would've known, so he protected himself & his squad.
In response to Fives' death. Not all the blame can be put on Fox. Since Fives was drugged, and not thinking clearly as a result, he grabbed a pistol and pointed it at Fox. Given this, Fox shot to defend himself. Would Fives have actually shot Fox? I think he probably would. His judgment was impaired by whatever the Kaminoan scientist drugged with.
@Daniil Melnik I generally think of the idea that Palpatine ordered Fox to shoot fives dead. Shock Troopers and especially Fox don’t have the same kind of connection of brotherhood the others have. Only loyalty to the Republic and Palpatine. Fox isn’t above these kinds of order’s and the Coruscant Guard (which Fox leads) turned Coruscant into a proto police state the Empire would become. The Empire was already here and the galaxy didn’t see it. Fox could have used the stun option, the DC-15S and DC-15 which the Shock troopers were using during the confrontation had stun options and Fox never implied they were to be used on Fives, And they rushed a visibly distressed Five’s who isn’t thinking clearly at the moment so they’re surprised he drew a weapon, why? This is incompetence and bad police work if I ever saw it but what do you expect from the same commander who shot at Vader not a long later and got his neck snapped for it.
Fives only grabbed the weapon because FOX and HIS MEN charged at FIVES with their guns pointing at him first, instead of calmly approaching him,ofc anyone who sees troopers running at them w guns is going to want to defend themselves. So yes, Fox AND his men, are to blame for Fives death.
@Daniil Melnik I mean if he didn't comply what would happen then? He'd likely be executed himself, and regardless of if he was punished or not Fives would still be dead either way, whether it be from a gunshot or Fox stunning him and then a Kaminoan euthanizing him. People never really look at it from his point of view. Fives, a clone that Fox has never met and most likely never heard of until now, attacked the Chancellor, was reported to be mentally unstable and/or on some kind of drugs, and has now captured two high ranking officials. Plus before that he was already reportedly sticking his nose where he shouldn't be. All of that would easily be highly treasonous, which we've already seen would easily lead to execution. When you put that all together, along with the fact that he most definitely had orders to take him out from the Chancellor himself, then I don't see how it would seem wrong in his mind to take him down. It'd seem pretty reasonable even. There's also that lack of connection the CG had between them and the Jedi, so they didn't exactly have the same opportunity to have those personalities rub off on them, or the chance to learn something new from their experiences. Regardless of all of that he still gives Fives some sort of warning, and very clearly wasn't thrilled by having to do this, nor to see the outcome of his actions.
Though I understand exactly what you mean in that _Battlestar Galactica_ line, I would like to highlight the Importance of having MPs (Military Police) in the Military…
In the case of Fives, Commander Fox didn't really have a choice. He had a gun and appeared mentally unstable. It was him or Fox's troops and possibly the only hope of saving Anakin and Rex
The death of Fives being at the hands of a Shock Trooper probably sent waves through the ranks and further divided the Shock Troopers from the other frontline troopers
0:16 I know it's an expression in this case, but the iron fist of the republic is & always has been the 501st, it's literally their nickname. 501st Clone Legion/501st Stormtroopers aka Iron Fist/Skywalker's Fist/Republic's Fist/Empire's Fist/Vader's Fist. Because it was the largest Clone Legion & had the most elite troops both from the Stormtrooper recruits & Clone recruits because they were trained by literal child soldier space Jesus himself.
Funny thing about Shocktroopers in the original timeline: they were from a batch of clones from another company. They were grown faster, less intelligent, more obedient. Which is what Palps needed during Order 66.
From a military point of view it makes no sense to put shock troopers on guard duty on loyal civilian planets. But from a with point of view, having soldiers trained to act fast and take no prisoners makes a perfect terror police, crushing all decent quickly. I think that’s why in the new canon the Strom trooper shock troops use basically light machine guns and rocket propelled grenades. Not the biggest weapons but overkill for putting a riot down.
When Fives spoke to Palpatine you can see Shock troopers present. It always makes me wonder if they willingly betrayed Fives or if Palpatine used an unknown order for these specific clones.
I have experience with police and the army. I’m no soldier or cop but I saw how both operate. You don’t need to go to an academy to know the Police and Military don’t mix up well.
To be fair to these hated Clones; Coruscant Guard still had a lot of duties. Riot Control, searching for Insurgency on Coruscant, protecting Senators off world, and other Core Defense Contingencies. Coruscant Guard had a lot of responsibility. These guys pretty much served Palpatine directly, more so than any other unit for obvious reasons, and did what the Chancellor asked of them. Commander Fox himself was basically Palpatine's Right-Hand Man, as far as Coruscant military forces go. Clone Commanders and Captains don't just fall off trees, and Fox was chosen for such a position likely because, as Geetsly mentioned, he was simply good and what he did, and was a capable leader. He didn't deserve such an unceremonious death at the hands of Vader, you guys hate Commander Fox WAY too much, and I stand by that.
5:00 hold one second. whether you like it or not, fives held 2 generals and a captain hostage fox even ordered Fives to surrender, and Fives ignored this order, instead diving for his blaster in real life he would have been shot too by swat forces even non MP ones 7:37 I'm sorry WHAT?? as a CG member on superior server CWRP, we are taught to never kill a brother, civilian, Jedi or republic personnel without them being a danger to us, or others around us. we are taught to uphold the republic constitution and republic law, first and foremost. abuse of powers is seen as a serious violation and most likely will get you blacklisted from CG. yes we perform raids, and assist the Coruscant detention center, but we arrest only if we have proof of wrong doing, and only kill if we are under direct threat. and what you have to remember as well, IT IS WARTIME. real police have not been known to act too nicely in war themselves either. just google police WW2..
Small correction: thire accompanied yoda to RUGOSA. Toydaria at that stage was still a neutral system and the king of toydaria, king kutunko, felt more comfortable holding the negotiations on a third party planet so that toydaria remained neutral if he decided to not join either side.
How the tables have turned... Clone troopers are the gigschad and Stormtroopers are virgins. Imperial Shock troopers are gigachads, Clone shock troopers are virgins.
Technically Their much more than Proto Stormtroopers...... Their The Imbodyment of Proto- Imperial ShockTroopers from The very beginning of The Clone War.
2:06 in Star Wars Commander the mobile game (which has been confirmed to be canon), all the "Imperial (albeit still wearing Coruscant Guard armour)" Shock Troopers carry rocket launchers
@@shcdemolisher the most remarkable thing that game did was canonising various legends entities like the TIE defender, AT-MP and phase 2 Dark Troopers, other than that it's just a Star Wars flavoured CoC re-skin
I'm actually a fan of them if I couldn't be a Clone Commando I'd love to be a Shock Trooper. Getting to protect Senators and special dignitaries is a great honor and not all of them were zealots like Commander Fox.
As much as I love Phase 2 does anyone else like the Phase 1 markings for the Shock Troopers more or is it just me? They look so cool and distinguishable
Let’s not forget that Fox gave Fives multiple chances to stand down and it was Fives who picked up the DC-17 and pointed it at him. It was a justifiable kill.
Can I just mention that we NEVER see "shock troopers" act as actual shock troopers on screen? In fact, we never even see them deployed to a battlefield... Calling them "Military Police", "Enforcers" , anything similar or just sticking with "Coruscant Guard" would have made so much more sense, but I guess George Lucas wanted them to tie into Stormtroopers (who fit their decription only slightly more) and WWII...
@@Kyzen_Wrell remember that Fives was also an ARC Trooper that had made an attempt on Palpatines life, was believed to be dangerous and now had two war heroes captive. Fox really should have sniped Fives from a distance but he gave him a chance and defied orders for a moment. He even begged him not to shoot. Had Fives been a droid, we sadly wouldnt be as cross at Fox as we are now
The term shock trooper actually means trooper sent in first, like us army rangers. They're elite but not really specialized. Shock troopers being military police or security is very strange with this definition. As if they became the ss or protection squadron. The atmosphere of the coruscant guard seems retconned into deeming them as mindless brutes, instead of skilled counterstrike units and emergency protection to civilians ( in case of mass invasions). The whole police brutality idea with them is perplexing, and takes away the potential of them being shown as an honor guard before imperial transformation- deploying them as heavy support units in firefights across fronts against rebel threats.
Whether you like fox or not their were good shock troopers aside from thorn, and thire, who only did any wrong because of his inhibitor chip, their was also commander stone.
I love commander thorn and it was a shame that he died in action but, I have lots and lots of hatred for Commander Fox especially since he killed Fives, and for all you people saying I'm misunderstanding of him, try saying that after you've watched the show and seen the countless amount of times he has shown annoyance and hatred towards Ahsoka to the point he has tried to get her killed several times!!! So all in all it's a good think his life came to an end when Darth Vader force choked him....(Idk if he died in canon timelines Im just going off the comic books) Edit: I also just realized in the thumbnail that the trooper on the left isn't a galactic empire shock trooper I believe that is the flamethrower trooper from the Mandalorian.
Well, if there's one good thing that can be said about Shock Troopers, it's that they have one of the best armor patterns/color schemes from the prequels. I never really understood why the Shock Corp a.k.a. the Senate Guard was never used for actual shock tactics, but eh what're you gonna do
the other way around. clone shocktroopers and literally every clone were way more ruthless against rebels rather gunning them with a bunch of civilians too because a good seperatist scum is a dead one and clones and Imperials didnt seperate between them especially clones who finally got to blast the organic seps who hid behind the droids
Why? Why not droids gunning down clone ones? Plus imp ones were actually good at their job(s), they were more popular with citizens and were better at..... being shocktroops.
Shock troopers :"elite soldiers trained in stealth and the discretion neccessary to surprise" Also shock troopers: wear bright red highly visible armor
Really though, the coruscant guard are very underrated. Despite being given a bad name they were a pretty cool looking and interesting unit in the Republic.
Commander Thire will be replace Cody who Betrayed The Empire, it possible Cody kills Admiral Rampart in The Bad Batch season 2, Commander Thire will become work with Crosshair, Cody will join The Rebels.
ok, you clearly play sup, and i did not miss the ref XD and yes, we do, since you are not supposed to be in there in the first place, there is a clear AOS sign
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Let us never forget the bravery, quick thinking, and efficiency Commander Thorn and his men showed in their last stand to give Padme a precious few seconds.
R.I.P the goat man!
R.I.P.
Our Thorn. It may be over the top, but perhaps the Clone brothers who fell *before* Order 66 was given, were the "lucky" ones. Don't know it's a tough call.
For the Republic!
Thank you ✊
It’s makes sense the Clone Army was breed and trained to fight perhaps the most deadliest war that the Galaxy has ever fought in, that made the Shock Troopers in the Republic Capital the disrespected force within the Grand Army of the Republic, because they were seen by their brothers as glorified police force to the Republic elite. This hatred from their brothers was very much seen as a result of the horrors of the war, and the Shock Troopers were also seen as incompetent considering all of the terrorists attacks, assassinations, and kidnapping important individuals under their watch.
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You would think the "elites" would better at doing everything but fail at most things
It probably was by design to be that way. How else would Darth Sidous get things done if the Shock troopers were too good at their job.
@@cortd5273 they where probably ordered away from the place that needed protected. But still took the blame.
true
One of the things I love about the Star Wars prequels is they’re so relatable. The Republic didn’t become the Empire by Force, it was by choice. By “thunderous applause”!
I suspect that is why people get uncomfortable and hate on them. Because they get a little too real for people
@@wizard_of_poz4413 truth hurts.
@@california816 yea I've noticed that about movies that don't jive with the politics of the day
Similar to the Democratic rise of Adolf Hitler
@@thechroniclegamer4285 funny how we always hear about how bad the leaders that the people choose are
In relation to the hate, when Fives is killed. We see several of troopers remove their helmets with grief/angst. To some degree, they cared
@@gamingwith3033 Yeah, even Fox warned him when he noticed Fives glancing at the blaster, "Don't do it trooper!"
I didn't even get mad when they killed Fives because what they did was justified. But people seem to misunderstand the situation so then the hate comes.
@@SgtHawk45 It can be similar to police in real life. Most of the time, a suspect, in Star Wars' case, Fives, holds up a gun, or blaster pistol, at the police, the Coruscant Guard, and then proceeds to be shot by them. I don't blame Fox or Fives. Fives wasn't himself, that was clear, as he was under the effects of a drug, most likely the one that Nala Se(?), I think it was, injected into him.
@@thatonewaspatyourpicnic7978 Yeah, he seemed a lot more... hyperactive? More reactive? I was noticing something was up and wondered wtf the Kaminoans gave him that made him so... out there.
@@gamingwith3033 yeah but the troopers escalated the situation. If you rush a dude in a hostage situation (especially when he thinks he's going to be killed) he's going to try and defend himself. They should have calmly approached or at the very least used the stun option on that gun. Fox was given kill orders. He was loyal to Palpatine solely and Palpatine wouldn't take that risk
"When the military become the police, the enemies of the state tend to become the people" Couldn't have said it better.
So say we all
Sounds familiar
@@randycheow4268 I believe it’s a Marx quote
United States moment
@@thechroniclegamer4285 bruh
Despite being the most hated faction, they have some of the best phase 2 look.
They're badass
Actually im very disappointed about shock troopers,as a child,they were my favorite clones,love their design and everything about them,but in fact they were one of the worst clone units in the Republic.
It's kind of an ironic name given that in our world Shock troopers are the front line of the front line, serving in the most high casualty combat roles to be seen in historical military campaigns.
Given their initial training, that's exactly what they were meant to be. But then they were given to the corrupt republic government, which had no idea how to fight a war because they hadn't in so long everyone forgot. So of course they picked the most elite clone force to serve as their personal police force, it would be a sign of status and a balm to the paranoia many senators likely began to develop as the war began. And so they were left stagnant to be corrupted into Palpatines SS, instead of providing any tangible benefit to the war.
Exactly what one would think of when hearing Shock Troopers
Yeah pretty much. I first thought these guys weren't officially the Shock Troops but more like the Clone GARs MPs. Since that's what they kept doing. Sure, Shock Forces, Commandos, Front line troops CAN and do probably such work at times but what a waste when the title alone implies that City Guard work is an should be light work to them an their true role shoulda been to do so much MORE. Maybe these guys wouldn't also been so much hated on had they maybe had a thing where maybe the Unit or type of it like these was on a cycle an Clones rotated between Frontline forces like the 501st an after awhile moved back to more "rear" work like the Coruscant Guard after a time or to recover from injuries enough to return to the lines, that sorta thing.
@@robertagu5533 You mean like putting recovering clones into public security roles and/or cycling out units?
@@CollinMcLean works in real life. No reason to think couldn't have worked for them too. "Planet Duty" as a tour would be a Vacation for some units given some battlefields. An since they're basically Cloned Soldier/Slaves it's about as close to R&R as a GAR Clone would get too
Shock Troopers that had tools and skills that one would say are….quite shocking
shut up and take my like XD
Is it possible to learn this power?
@@SpaceMonkeyBoi not from a Jedi
'specially the imp ones. Damn they were epic
I was... shocked to discover what they did on coruscant, I'd say it was giving the people a .. shock.
For everyone wondering, the narrator here is the fill-in narrator for Geetsly's. As I understand it, this is only a temporary change, and the usual voice behind the videos will be returning soon. There's a pinned comment on "Was this Forgotten Sith the Most DANGEROUS in the Galaxy?" - Uploaded 2/15/22 - that explains this as well, but I figured I should drop a comment here that will hopefully clear things up for anyone who's confused.
Another solid video, shining a bit more light on this very dark section of the G.A.R.
Yeah they're a whole crew like the templin institute
I feel like theyre demonized more than they deserve. Fox actually *did* gave Fives a chance (despite being ordered by the chancellor himself to execute him immediantly), he told him to freeze, but Fives reached for a weapon. Every police officer in the world would have shot at that point. Fives was already proven guilty, there was video material of Fives attacking the chancellor (obviously Palpatines talk with him was not catched by camera). And keep in mind Fox saved Padme and captured Zero the Hut, one of the most powerful gangsters on the planet.
Thire is who saved Padme from Ziro, and later sacrificed himself so she could escape Scipio. Fox is his replacement.
Edit:nvm it was Thorn that died
Yeah.
@@couriervi8741 No, CG just had like 4 or so Commanders, Thorn was one and he was in charge of the republic dignitary's which was what pad me was doing on scipio.
@@warshawgameshd3432 yup. As soon as I commented that I saw the episode lol
@@couriervi8741 No. Check the movie again, the paint style is Fox’s phase one armor type
When in doubt, don't make people bred to become soldiers into police and even security in a simple and careless manner.
Idk you need someone who can handle it though
@@wizard_of_poz4413 It has to be someone with the right mindset though.
@@michaelandreipalon359 yea
Clone Trooper: Just because you’re next Gen, it doesn’t make you better than me and my brothers!
Me: I would argue being "Next Gen" actually makes you worse.
@@StoryTeller796 exactly, makes you arragont
That´s what Rex though about many stormtroopers
Quite a quality breakdown, honestly. I never actually noticed how senate guards gradually seemed to be phased out as the series goes on, without any pomp, circumstance, or overt commentary on it for the benefit of the audience. Not only do they function as a combination of military police and SWAT/KGB, but they can very clearly be interpreted as a hand of palpatine’s direct influence. Honestly, the way that the prequel era manages to insert political commentary on the nature of freedom, security, and the possible dangers of an overreaching government never cease to surprise me.
For the life of me though, I’ll never understand why ‘shock troopers’ were held back and relegated to police service on the capital. Surely they’d have been able to put that training to better use on the front lines?
In a competent government with the slightest idea how to fight a war, certainly. In the corrupt republic, which hadn't fought a full scale war in so long it had forgotten how, and where having the most respected military force assigned to guard the senate would be seen as a mark of status... well we get this waste, the corruption of a valuable military asset into a military police force, Palpatines personal SS/KGB
Someone had to do it though
When fighting a war against droids, maybe shock and awe aren't really useful on the battlefield?
@@ninjabot567 lol pretty much
@@ninjabot567 Shock and awe are a part of what it means to be a ‘shock troop,’ but they’re generally supposed to be types of infantry specialized in rapid assault, attacking fortified or hard to take positions, raids, or in being the first over the top. Think German stormtroopers from WW1. ‘Shock and Awe’ are more like symptoms of their tactics rather than what they rely on.
In the early Empire the 501st or at least many of them including Apo were rolled into the Shocktroopers for a little while, possibly to obscure the fact that Anakin was Vader. He only "Took control" of the 501st later.
Also Vader created a new legion with some 501st peeps and some other people as well and made the 1st legion. He made both the 501st and 1st all rounders rather than "let's do some war crimes to win the battle because we are too shit to win normally!" kind of legions
Legends Shocktroopers got to upgrade to the Shadows of the Empire Coruscant Guard in all red armor with the really cool X-visor. Though one illustration of them just... Forgets the forearm and elbow. There's an elbow PLATE but nothing in it, so it's not supposed to be an amputee.
"Why were Shock Troopers hated?"
"Idk! *glares at Fox* Why are you hated COMMANDER!"
And when vader kills him and most clones retire they immediately become popular and good at policing and shock trooping.....
I love how the shock troopers (reds) are close to Palpatine while the 501st (blues) are close to Anakin/Vader. And seeing Anakin acting hostile towards the shock troopers in The Clone Wars during the scene in the prison Ahsoka was held in.
“No attempt made to arrest him”- I feel like everyone ignores that Fox told Fives to stand down, more than once, and instead Fives went for a blaster.
I also feel like the “defend against the enemy not become the enemy” applies to all of the clones, not just Shock Troopers.
True, though I might say that normal police protocol in a situation involving hostages, like with Fives, is to negotiate for their release first and try to end things peacefully, not touch down and run straight in waving a gun and barking orders, that's going to result likely in the suspect panicking and someone getting killed, as we saw. Agreed "made no attempt to arrest" is the wrong wording, but the attempt that was made was a bit heavy handed and abrupt, deviating from what might be considered acceptable for police.
they are still clones, subtlety isnt exactly their strong suitand they rather go in gun blazing ,most of the time clones rather blasted CIS strongholds to dust than caring to check for civilians especially seperatist civilians and honestly they mawed them down like droids if it wasnt for the jedi and their morale bs that annoyed a lot of clones and got them killed because of this weakness
Fives only grabbed the weapon because FOX and HIS MEN charged at FIVES with their guns pointing at him first, instead of calmly approaching him, ofc anyone who sees troopers running at them w guns pointed at them without slowing down is going to want to defend themselves. Fox AND his men, are to blame for Fives death.
@@asaschuemann9545 idk I mean it falls back on dispatch somewhat
@@asaschuemann9545 I suppose its because it began as a hunt rather than a hostage situation. Before Fox arrived, he didnt know Fives had Rex and Anakin captive. And even then, they were behind a ray shield which would mean Fives couldnt really harm them.
Fox tried to give Fives a fair chance whilst having to obey the orders he had from the Supreme Chancellor. Add the fact he now had taken two War Heroes hostage, Fives was showing too many things to just arrest. Everyone forgets as well that Fives was also an ARC Trooper, had made an attempt on Palpatine and was a clone. He wouldnt be seen as anything more than a powerful droid
Bruh, Commander Foxe gave Fives several chances to surrender before he opened fire. He literally said "stand down" multiple times, told Fives to get on his knees, and said "don't do it, soldier" when he saw that Fives was about to reach for his weapons He didn't shoot until Fives was literally pointing a blaster at him.
These shock troopers think they're the best. Only Thorn, Stone, Thire, Jek, Rys, and their men are the best.
RIP Thorn
Thorn was an idiot. If he wanted to get into the city maybe he could've given the city people a call, or asked padme to ask them. If he wanted to slow down the droids he could've had his corvette destroy the bombers and gunships, since corvettes are anti-fighter and probably would've destroyed the whole force, or enough for the gunships to survive the attack
I’m surprised this hasn’t been expanded on with imperial shock troopers. They’ve only really appeared in the first EA battlefront game as a customization option, but I’d be cool if they had some proper lore and use in Star Wars.
thats the point, they are the Miltary/Police loyal only to the Fuhrer, or at least thats what they were supposed to be.
Sorry for my older comment, I misread yours
Clone Shocktroopers: Complete jokes and memes with few exceptions. Exceptions like Thire, Jek, Rys, Thorn, and Thorn's men. But in truth they are far more terrifying than what most people would believe, and far more of a threat too.
Imperial Shocktroopers: Death incarnate. If you see them your dead regardless of which side you're on.
Also is this a new voice? This is the first I've ever heard this guy's voice. Sounds nice, he does this job really well.
Whenever Geetsly is unable to record scripts, the brother/editor? (forgot who exactly) substitutes.
EDIT: The fill-in narrator is Pat.
Legends Shocktroopers got to upgrade to the Shadows of the Empire Coruscant Guard in all red armor with the really cool X-visor. Though one illustration of them just... Forgets the forearm and elbow. There's an elbow PLATE but nothing in it, so it's not supposed to be an amputee.
Also a shock staff thing.
This guy was added as a substitute for the video on Karnas Mor in case Geetsly has something going on. They also did a video on the hippies of Tatooine.
Clone Shocktrooper: Who are you?
Imperial Shocktrooper: I'm you, but better (and don't care about casualties)
@@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478 I see, that's fair. I understand now.
Those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither
-Benjamin Franklin
Okay to be fair, Fives did try to reach for a blaster while Fox was telling him not to do it. Even though Fives would only stun, that's not something that Fox would've known, so he protected himself & his squad.
"Shock troopers?! What's the Corusant Guard doing on my TH-cam feed?!"
-Hunter, Clone force 99
In response to Fives' death. Not all the blame can be put on Fox. Since Fives was drugged, and not thinking clearly as a result, he grabbed a pistol and pointed it at Fox. Given this, Fox shot to defend himself. Would Fives have actually shot Fox? I think he probably would. His judgment was impaired by whatever the Kaminoan scientist drugged with.
@Daniil Melnik I generally think of the idea that Palpatine ordered Fox to shoot fives dead. Shock Troopers and especially Fox don’t have the same kind of connection of brotherhood the others have. Only loyalty to the Republic and Palpatine. Fox isn’t above these kinds of order’s and the Coruscant Guard (which Fox leads) turned Coruscant into a proto police state the Empire would become. The Empire was already here and the galaxy didn’t see it. Fox could have used the stun option, the DC-15S and DC-15 which the Shock troopers were using during the confrontation had stun options and Fox never implied they were to be used on Fives, And they rushed a visibly distressed Five’s who isn’t thinking clearly at the moment so they’re surprised he drew a weapon, why? This is incompetence and bad police work if I ever saw it but what do you expect from the same commander who shot at Vader not a long later and got his neck snapped for it.
@Daniil Melnik it wasn't thorn it was thire
Fives only grabbed the weapon because FOX and HIS MEN charged at FIVES with their guns pointing at him first, instead of calmly approaching him,ofc anyone who sees troopers running at them w guns is going to want to defend themselves. So yes, Fox AND his men, are to blame for Fives death.
@Daniil Melnik I mean if he didn't comply what would happen then? He'd likely be executed himself, and regardless of if he was punished or not Fives would still be dead either way, whether it be from a gunshot or Fox stunning him and then a Kaminoan euthanizing him. People never really look at it from his point of view. Fives, a clone that Fox has never met and most likely never heard of until now, attacked the Chancellor, was reported to be mentally unstable and/or on some kind of drugs, and has now captured two high ranking officials. Plus before that he was already reportedly sticking his nose where he shouldn't be. All of that would easily be highly treasonous, which we've already seen would easily lead to execution. When you put that all together, along with the fact that he most definitely had orders to take him out from the Chancellor himself, then I don't see how it would seem wrong in his mind to take him down. It'd seem pretty reasonable even.
There's also that lack of connection the CG had between them and the Jedi, so they didn't exactly have the same opportunity to have those personalities rub off on them, or the chance to learn something new from their experiences. Regardless of all of that he still gives Fives some sort of warning, and very clearly wasn't thrilled by having to do this, nor to see the outcome of his actions.
¨Don´t do it soldier¨
¨Stay AWAY FROM ME!!¨
I swear to God, if Fives comes up at least once in this video...
i hate to break it to ya...
Though I understand exactly what you mean in that _Battlestar Galactica_ line, I would like to highlight the Importance of having MPs (Military Police) in the Military…
Love adama .
🤔 . . . Not really. _Vandread_ is far superior, IF we’re being Philosophical & such, @@shanenolan8252…
@@nickvinsable3798 lol
MP’s are for policing military personnel.
Historically, they have caught enemies in their uniforms, @@Kyzen_Wrell?
In the case of Fives, Commander Fox didn't really have a choice. He had a gun and appeared mentally unstable. It was him or Fox's troops and possibly the only hope of saving Anakin and Rex
Sounds like every single starwars stormtrooper rp I've ever been in
0:05 yes most of them consisting of four letter words
To be fair, Fives was about to pick up a pistol and open fire, and Fox also warned him not to do it.
The death of Fives being at the hands of a Shock Trooper probably sent waves through the ranks and further divided the Shock Troopers from the other frontline troopers
If the 501st was Vader's Fist, then the Shocktroopers were the Shield of Sidious.
0:16 I know it's an expression in this case, but the iron fist of the republic is & always has been the 501st, it's literally their nickname. 501st Clone Legion/501st Stormtroopers aka Iron Fist/Skywalker's Fist/Republic's Fist/Empire's Fist/Vader's Fist. Because it was the largest Clone Legion & had the most elite troops both from the Stormtrooper recruits & Clone recruits because they were trained by literal child soldier space Jesus himself.
At least they didn’t get all the glory in Operation: Knightfall
I was listening to dark lord recently. Vader ( i was rather fond of commander appo )
@@shanenolan8252 RIP Appo
@@BrassPlayr indeed.
at least he was avenged. Appo will always the definitive 501st commander and no rex a CAPTAIN isnt the leader of the 501st
The guards are like Hitler's secret police in ALMOST every way
0:25 Oh ha ha
Funny thing about Shocktroopers in the original timeline: they were from a batch of clones from another company. They were grown faster, less intelligent, more obedient. Which is what Palps needed during Order 66.
What’s funny is that the name “shock trooper” suggests they’d be the guys to drop in with a jetpack and shoot everything in sight
Well, this has the typical ignoring context regarding Fives' death, so I assume Geetsly wrote the script. Who is the new guy?
From a military point of view it makes no sense to put shock troopers on guard duty on loyal civilian planets. But from a with point of view, having soldiers trained to act fast and take no prisoners makes a perfect terror police, crushing all decent quickly. I think that’s why in the new canon the Strom trooper shock troops use basically light machine guns and rocket propelled grenades. Not the biggest weapons but overkill for putting a riot down.
When Fives spoke to Palpatine you can see Shock troopers present. It always makes me wonder if they willingly betrayed Fives or if Palpatine used an unknown order for these specific clones.
They had no jedi general and answered directly to Palpatine so it maybe the case of them receiving orders and marking Fives as a traitor
Here's what the Shock Troopers made me think of: They were somehow harder to get than regular clone troopers in Lego sets and I don't know why.
I have experience with police and the army. I’m no soldier or cop but I saw how both operate. You don’t need to go to an academy to know the Police and Military don’t mix up well.
They are kind of like the SS of the clone era.
To be fair to these hated Clones;
Coruscant Guard still had a lot of duties. Riot Control, searching for Insurgency on Coruscant, protecting Senators off world, and other Core Defense Contingencies.
Coruscant Guard had a lot of responsibility.
These guys pretty much served Palpatine directly, more so than any other unit for obvious reasons, and did what the Chancellor asked of them. Commander Fox himself was basically Palpatine's Right-Hand Man, as far as Coruscant military forces go.
Clone Commanders and Captains don't just fall off trees, and Fox was chosen for such a position likely because, as Geetsly mentioned, he was simply good and what he did, and was a capable leader.
He didn't deserve such an unceremonious death at the hands of Vader, you guys hate Commander Fox WAY too much, and I stand by that.
0:24 that was uncalled for
5:00 hold one second. whether you like it or not, fives held 2 generals and a captain hostage
fox even ordered Fives to surrender, and Fives ignored this order, instead diving for his blaster
in real life he would have been shot too by swat forces even non MP ones
7:37 I'm sorry WHAT?? as a CG member on superior server CWRP, we are taught to never kill a brother, civilian, Jedi or republic personnel without them being a danger to us, or others around us.
we are taught to uphold the republic constitution and republic law, first and foremost. abuse of powers is seen as a serious violation and most likely will get you blacklisted from CG.
yes we perform raids, and assist the Coruscant detention center, but we arrest only if we have proof of wrong doing, and only kill if we are under direct threat.
and what you have to remember as well, IT IS WARTIME. real police have not been known to act too nicely in war themselves either. just google police WW2..
Small correction: thire accompanied yoda to RUGOSA. Toydaria at that stage was still a neutral system and the king of toydaria, king kutunko, felt more comfortable holding the negotiations on a third party planet so that toydaria remained neutral if he decided to not join either side.
I honestly love the shock troopers, their armor is awesome!!
How the tables have turned...
Clone troopers are the gigschad and Stormtroopers are virgins.
Imperial Shock troopers are gigachads, Clone shock troopers are virgins.
Clone shock troopers were great.
9:20 "Imagine...."
Ha! Like every nation after 1945!
Commander Fox is my second favorite clone. He really was just following orders and protecting his brothers and his armor is really cool
Technically Their much more than Proto Stormtroopers...... Their The Imbodyment of Proto- Imperial ShockTroopers from The very beginning of The Clone War.
2:06 in Star Wars Commander the mobile game (which has been confirmed to be canon), all the "Imperial (albeit still wearing Coruscant Guard armour)" Shock Troopers carry rocket launchers
That game was quite fun, but like how Clash of clan clones go, it died eventually. Real shame too.
@@shcdemolisher the most remarkable thing that game did was canonising various legends entities like the TIE defender, AT-MP and phase 2 Dark Troopers, other than that it's just a Star Wars flavoured CoC re-skin
5:14 I mean fives literally went for a gun intending to fire on the Shock Troopers
Its funny how accurate this is to our world... hmmm...
When I admitted what I did I feel like the hatred for this faction has been pumped out more and more
I would love a SWAT type arc for Shock Troopers
Thire is ok. Thanks to the clone wars I better understood him.
Do you mean thorn ?
Fun fact: Thire is the clone in the Senate building that Palpatine orders to look for Yoda's body after their duel in ROTS.
@@shanenolan8252 No He's talking about Lieutenant Thire from the first ever CW episode 'Ambush'
@@BrassPlayr oh thanks ben .
I'm actually a fan of them if I couldn't be a Clone Commando I'd love to be a Shock Trooper. Getting to protect Senators and special dignitaries is a great honor and not all of them were zealots like Commander Fox.
@@night6724 good Soldiers follow orders good men know when not too. He could of stunned Fives easily but he shot center mass instead.
@@rc59191 Palpatine definitely told Fox to kill Fives.
Commander Thorn
@@rc59191 Stunning a drugged special force clone would surely result more deaths had the stun didn’t work on a veteran war heroes.
As much as I love Phase 2 does anyone else like the Phase 1 markings for the Shock Troopers more or is it just me? They look so cool and distinguishable
These guys sound like modern day cops only without the cowardice.
"The shocking truth about shock troopers" This was a funny line.
Let’s not forget that Fox gave Fives multiple chances to stand down and it was Fives who picked up the DC-17 and pointed it at him. It was a justifiable kill.
the lack of background music during your discussion made me realize how serious you were in talking about this part of star wars
Can I just mention that we NEVER see "shock troopers" act as actual shock troopers on screen?
In fact, we never even see them deployed to a battlefield...
Calling them "Military Police", "Enforcers" , anything similar or just sticking with "Coruscant Guard" would have made so much more sense, but I guess George Lucas wanted them to tie into Stormtroopers (who fit their decription only slightly more) and WWII...
These are my favorite clone and storm troopers. Love the color red and always loved shock/ storm tactics.
Fox didn’t just flat out kill Fives lol, he held him up, fives grabbed a pistol and made some movements and fox shot him
Yet with a hostage situation protocol is to usual negotiate and end it peacefully. Even then, Fox had a stun setting he chose not to use.
@@Kyzen_Wrell or idk didn't think about it being there
@@Kyzen_Wrell remember that Fives was also an ARC Trooper that had made an attempt on Palpatines life, was believed to be dangerous and now had two war heroes captive. Fox really should have sniped Fives from a distance but he gave him a chance and defied orders for a moment. He even begged him not to shoot.
Had Fives been a droid, we sadly wouldnt be as cross at Fox as we are now
The term shock trooper actually means trooper sent in first, like us army rangers. They're elite but not really specialized. Shock troopers being military police or security is very strange with this definition. As if they became the ss or protection squadron. The atmosphere of the coruscant guard seems retconned into deeming them as mindless brutes, instead of skilled counterstrike units and emergency protection to civilians ( in case of mass invasions). The whole police brutality idea with them is perplexing, and takes away the potential of them being shown as an honor guard before imperial transformation- deploying them as heavy support units in firefights across fronts against rebel threats.
Whether you like fox or not their were good shock troopers aside from thorn, and thire, who only did any wrong because of his inhibitor chip, their was also commander stone.
Thorn was an idiot
I like the look of the Coruscant Guard trooper.
I love commander thorn and it was a shame that he died in action but, I have lots and lots of hatred for Commander Fox especially since he killed Fives, and for all you people saying I'm misunderstanding of him, try saying that after you've watched the show and seen the countless amount of times he has shown annoyance and hatred towards Ahsoka to the point he has tried to get her killed several times!!! So all in all it's a good think his life came to an end when Darth Vader force choked him....(Idk if he died in canon timelines Im just going off the comic books)
Edit: I also just realized in the thumbnail that the trooper on the left isn't a galactic empire shock trooper I believe that is the flamethrower trooper from the Mandalorian.
Essentially these guys are The whole galaxy’s MPs
"The shocking true about shock troopers" I see what you did there mhmm.
Well, if there's one good thing that can be said about Shock Troopers, it's that they have one of the best armor patterns/color schemes from the prequels. I never really understood why the Shock Corp a.k.a. the Senate Guard was never used for actual shock tactics, but eh what're you gonna do
The Empire did. It also became better at policing and soldiering. Probably because Vader kills Fox early in the Empire
its so funny how closely our actual govs of the modern world resemble the empire and shock troopers. order 66 is like the blue pill lol
I love how the empire seem like they are hiring the most dangerous serial killer to become Shock trooper
This video flows way better in 1.25 speed. Quality details regardless.
My favourite clone regiment is the Coruscant Guard
They sound a lot like what the American police are becoming. Props for calling out the "Patriot Act" as well.
Fox and his Unit, Blitz and Bly are my Fav clones xd
I think we need more content where Rebels get to gun down Imperial shock troopers.
the other way around. clone shocktroopers and literally every clone were way more ruthless against rebels rather gunning them with a bunch of civilians too because a good seperatist scum is a dead one and clones and Imperials didnt seperate between them especially clones who finally got to blast the organic seps who hid behind the droids
Why? Why not droids gunning down clone ones? Plus imp ones were actually good at their job(s), they were more popular with citizens and were better at..... being shocktroops.
Something is wrong
I can feel it 🎵
Damn Shock Troopers. Getting to stay on the Homefront & not be on the frontline.
If i may, “electrifying truth, about shock troopers”
That was shocking
They Look cool so I love em, also Good Soldiers Follow Orders
Shock troopers :"elite soldiers trained in stealth and the discretion neccessary to surprise"
Also shock troopers: wear bright red highly visible armor
Pretty weird they trained for blitzkrieg and ended up guarding places. Almost the opposite of what you'd think
Really though, the coruscant guard are very underrated. Despite being given a bad name they were a pretty cool looking and interesting unit in the Republic.
God, BSG is so good. Love the reference.
Please tell me I'm not alone when it comes to the Coruscant Guard i think back to Maj General Armstrong's words
Commander Thire will be replace Cody who Betrayed The Empire, it possible Cody kills Admiral Rampart in The Bad Batch season 2, Commander Thire will become work with Crosshair, Cody will join The Rebels.
hope not
Sounds like the Roman Praetorian Guard in a lot of ways.
If only Commander Thorn had survived...
The thumbnail: "Almost never on the frontlines"
Me: We have battlefront 2
Shock troopers are the worst they always be sending me to jail after I press all the red buttons on the 3rd floor
ok, you clearly play sup, and i did not miss the ref XD
and yes, we do, since you are not supposed to be in there in the first place, there is a clear AOS sign
@@robertlinke2666 I’ve been doing it on icefuse and superior for years now lol. My favorite pastime
they don't even shock🤣