History of WWI Primer 070: Japanese Nambu Type A Modified Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Additional reading:
Japanese Military Cartridge Handguns 1893-1945
A Revised and Expanded Edition of "Hand Cannons of Imperial Japan"
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I'm not a patron, but I would like to thank the people who have paid actual money and them who loan guns to this channel.
I've been a patron for a long time, but I only give the bare minimum. Really wish I had some firearms to loan, those are definitely some great supporters of history right there, the people that loan these rare pieces.
absolutely! I'm dirt poor living in Mexico, so it's not an option yet for me, but C&Rsenal and Forgotten Weapons are earmarked for support ASAP.
That Type 1 might be your best line drawing of the series, Othais.
It's important to note that when Kijiro Nambu was born, Japan was still using matchlocks. Imagine if John Browning was a pilgrim aboard the Mayflower and got sent forward in time to the late 19th century to understand the sheer disparity in institutional knowledge here when he started working on guns.
Don't want to burst anything but Japan was passed the tanegashimas by 1869. They were Using Chasspot and Enfield-sneiders by that time
@@grenmoyo3968 i think in terms of production understanding this still holds true, 1869 isnt too long after
@@grenmoyo3968 the imperial army used Chasspots, the Satsuma rebels used the old matchlock weapons.
When john browning was born we were still using flintlock. 19th century was special.
@@historyandpoliticsexplaine4876no, we were well into the percussion cap and even early cartridge designs when Browning was born in 1855.
The marking on the right side of the gun is a tribute to John Bonham of Led Zeppelin after seeing his 2 hour drum solo at the 1901 concert in Tokyo.
TAOFLEDERMAUS are you sure, I thought it was kanji for zoso. Gonna have to look at my Black Dog 45.
My bad, ZoSo was Page.
Funny, I was listening to this as I read this:
th-cam.com/video/Hq_jMZmOpdg/w-d-xo.html
Quite that accurate description of his drum solos.
I wonder if there was a Cheap Trick commemorative "Live at Budokan" edition of the Nambu from the show they played there last century? :)
>the early model is better than the mass production standard version
Oh god it's like a mecha anime
Screwface Romeo I notice that is a common trope amongst sci fi.
Yeah but Gundam abused the trope to such a ridiculous degree that it's a meme at this point
Also quote from episode: «Papa Nabmu is NEET».
Ba-dum, tss.
The early models could probably only be used by children as well that have off the charts biometric synchronization with them, rendering the models unusable or berserker if someone else tried to use them.
Player Review but are there ass-handles?
If i recall I remember reading the Japanese the designer was actually afraid of the weapon malfunctioning, so he built it much stronger than necessary, this isn't uncommon either, as this was even the case for a lot of early pre 20th Century Semi Auto Rifle designs. Remember Semi Automatic pistols were still relatively new onto the scene. It is why the Type A is such a better stronger version of the Nambu despite being an earlier version, the later versions were less reliable, weaker action and prone to warring out quicker as it was found the Type A's strong points were just unnecessary, for the same reasons it's mentioned in the video, and on top of that it made production cost for the weapon much cheaper.
"...a bit of a snag in the action that needed to be addressed with some profanity..."
Beautifully stated!
"All the Ruger target pistols were based off the Nambu."
Well that explains by they are so hard to dissemble.. Apparently its in the family.
Yep lol almost as bad as revolvers
I'm sorry sir but I strongly disagree with you on this point. I believed that his inspiration would be from the Luger not that . If you want to get down to it the c 96
@@stevejenkins9984 strongly disagree Ruger revolvers are tough reasonable to buy and have great quality. Please explain what scientific evidence you are using?
I've got a France gun it's do able but a pain
@@gunslinger2172 i was being sarcastic I own a Blackhawk 41mag
Othias...dude. Being a firearm historian and gunsmith myself I have loved this series from the start. But I will say you are looking a bit stressed my man. Take a little time off to get your family stuff taken care of. I’m pretty sure the true c&rsenal fans will fully understand if you take a little break. I for one will still be here when you come back.
This.
Something tells me he is incapable of taking a break. I think Othais must be a real work horse, dedicated to getting this stuff out. I do sense some excitement that he'll someday be talking about WWII firearms, but that is probably another stressor too. I know they'd hoped to get a bunch done at once, which is super crazy, but that'd allow him to take time off down the road with episodes 'in the can'.
Despite freaking out every other Monday as to what the next episode will be, I would totally be fine if Othias took a break for a bit, maybe hand the hosting duties of to Mae, possibly let Jay, Mark, and Suzie take a crack at the research.
Absolutely well be here
You look fine brother! Do what makes you happy!
I know Ian did a video about the Baby-Nambu and he told the story of a japanese army doctor who carried one for 20 years without firing it even once.
Oh, and Othias, don't burn yorself out on this. Do stuff in you own way and in your own time and at least, I will be happy to see whatever you bring us.
Stay safe!
2:55 That Line Drawing though. LOL.
In this episode, witness as Othias struggles to stay on this side of sanity and avoid giving into madness. Great episode as always.
Every episode, a struggle to maintain reality and determine if he's in the waking world or the sleeping one. Though, it looks like he got some sleep before this one; Didn't notice any gigantic tired-man eye cheeks on this one.
Othias has lost alot of weight since the start of the series, bravo dude, you're looking well!
C&Rsenal in time for breakfast. Great start to the day!
Just came home from school depressed, a new c&rsenal now I’m happy
I have an ideas Othais maybe at the end of ww1 episodes you can do the M1911 to end world war 1 of with a bang and that can lead you into ww2 possibly
Good god this channel needs so many more subscribers. The production value, writing, and humor is extremely professional.
Othias, well wishes and thoughts. I am humbled at & by your stamina and perseverance over the last several years. You rock!
Sleep.....nah. New C&Rsenal video
The greatest gun review I've ever seen! Appreciated!
Just recently discovered your videos. You and Ian from forgotten weapons make the best firearms content on this platform, and probably the entire internet. Keep up the great work.
Really loving the show and glad I came over from the Great War.
The disheveled look during the field strip! Hehehe...
The Type B - Less Combaty.
You Guys do a fantastic show. Thanks for all you do on bring history to life for us gun nuts.
After many years of watching..THIS is my favorite!
Love the plaid shirts!! Always in style... Keep up the great history lessons
Hey, Othais! How are you? Just want to say that I absolutely love your work and greatly admire all the effort you put into creating such magnificent content for us to enjoy.
Wonderful episode. Bruno's animations are getting top notch. I hope you don't burn out...
Love the videos you guys do. For those that are always demanding this or that, let them take a long walk off a short pier.
Mabey you could alleviate some of the spaztic fixation with cleared guns if you put a little "All guns have been cleared prior to filming" notification at the start.
Great video as always! I love these weird Japanese designs, here in California since so many vets went here post war, Arisakas are by far the most common surplus rifles at the gunshow by me.
Waiting on the new episode! Can't wait for my lunch break to watch it!
Enjoying the history
Come for the history, stay for the comedy ;)!
Great show!
thank you Very much for this film
GREAT VIDEO !!!
18:36 at first I'm like, "Do they have black powder handloads?? Wtf?"
Then I realize its just really cold outside at the time of filming.
"Once more, we've Mae'ed room for Mae."
I'm trying to catch up... That's why my belated comment.
On the other hand this channel does indeed work like an encyclopedia, so thank you for your thorough work!
(16:00 I realized now how much I was missing that animation background music... :-) )
Just goined the patrion , good to see my money at work, thank you for a great show
Out of all the channels I give money to, because of the niche and amount of subs, I'd say they stretch patron dollars farther than any other. Every dollar really does matter with this channel.
They had experience with C96 pistols. It had a powerful cartridge. They made a very conscious choice to go for recoil control.
I love the show yall are great i found yall a year ago and have wated every epiosdoe
The animations are getting better, seriously nice 3D work!
Thanks
Indeed, always top notch. Really enjoyed the animations for the Pedersen device, it was spectacular.
Comments like that make it worth the work. I think that Pedersen gave me some slight PTSD
What software do you use? I've been modelling in Maya for years, but not for animation, for video game objects mostly :P
Just that, I do everything in Maya. for the kinds of animations needed for this show it works.
I love it when Mae thanks all the dead people. "Thanks Guys."
Family first man, you take care of yourself. We will understand if you have to take more time between episodes. BTW I have this gun I would like you to look at ...
G'day,
Thanks,
As usual, highly informative.
Thanks for posting.
;-p
Ciao !
This gun is itself a grumpy old man, and I find that inexplicably endearing.
I like the back recoil plate. The circle and hatch marks of the back look very similar to the rifle safely.
In defense of the 8mm Nambu round, the .32 ACP was establishing itself as a useable military cartridge at the time, and the 8mm Nambu goes a bit faster than that JMB cartridge design which I feel made it adequate for the job it was intended for.
Edit: VA appointment at 1500hrs 13 Feb, yay~!
Markius Fox 8mm Nambu is actually a lot and not just a bit more powerful than .32 ACP. Slightly higher muzzle velocity and much heavier bullet. But then again, .32 ACP was never intended to be a military cartridge and it was used mostly a substitute standard rather than actual standard. .32 ACP pistols were cheap and available, so they were used both in WW1 and WW2.
JMB's idea for a military autoloading cartridge at the time were 9mm Browning Long (Europe/FN) and .38 ACP (US/Colt). Both were more powerful than 8mm Nambu, although the former only moderately so.
Why then 8mm is considered a weak ass cartridge when 32 ACP is so well respected?
Seeing these turn-of-the-last-century guns being disassembled make me appreciate modern designs a lot more.
Hell, it makes me appreciate the 1911 a lot more.
Little pins always wanna be dropping. Good job keeping things in check Othais
The best part of waking up
thanks for another great episode! but will there be at some point the "war were declared"-shirt?
You guys mention the lahti a lot. I anxiously await the video on that pistol!
Perhaps when Mae finishes her discussion she could let us know her top five pistols, rifles, etc. ? Would be curious to see a running list as each piece is introduced and how it affects her list up and down.
As a non-American that was not close to any gun community, I am always suprised when Othais said some gun was stereotypically 'bad'. I mean it just look robust and powerful, especially considering its age.
Lax safety. Why wasn't the gun cleared every time it was even referenced? Bruno needs to add a clearing animation during the x-ray view. (It's a joke people)
What is odd is that you'd think SJW's would be the ones that get angry when they don't see a firearm cleared on a youtube video, but, SJW's don't know how a firearm operates and wouldn't understand firearm safety to begin with... So, who _are_ these people that get upset? I doubt someone that doesn't know how a firearm works owns a Papa Nambu and is following along at home doing the takedown (hey, he didn't tell me to clear my rare pistol first!).
Don't give them any ideas, it takes long enough to render as it is :)
Meh, I point my guns in dangerous directions all the time, it’s the only way to clean and disassemble them. You can break any one firearm rule, NEVER break two, (try to never break even one rule but it is impossible to never do, simply act like a grown up human with a drivers license and a credit card).
It's not impossible to never break firearms safety rules. Just don't use firearms. JK I love guns and being a smart ass.
Although you do have a point. Crybabies who freak out when a TH-camr points a gun at the screen or doesn’t danger check his gun 17 times every four seconds should follow rule 5, Never Touch A Gun.
Keep it up
Dammit, now I want a Lahti episode. Curse you! But great job as always!
Good GUN !!!
I somehow love this gunn 🙏🏼
... can i have the catana too ? 🎈
3:00 Glorious
Great show Othais, Mae and the crew.
Another great episode guys! PLEASE, turn down the brightness levels in the post processing. The video footage of you is way way blown out. I know you gotta keep the light bright so we can see the guns, just something to consider. Maybe keep the levels normal , and use the bright setting when you are doing your close ups.
Forgotten Weapons has a video on the baby, you should put a link to it for further information on the Baby Nambu.
Gut Video ever
And we love you, too.
What was the song used during the shooting in this episode?
One Question. Did Nambu have any notes that survived to explain his thinking?
8mm Nambu +P?
Stephen Outdoors Apparently already done by the Japanese in the 1930s. There is evidence that the military loading was upgraded, which gave about 10% more muzzle velocity (325 m/s for the Type 14, 305 m/s for the shorter-barreled Type 94).
seriously othias. take all the time you need. take a vacation if you need one. this is a side project to your life. well wait for you if you need time off!
*gets popcorn*
It struck me:
With machineguns such as Lewis, Hotchkiss and Maxim clones that you had covered in previous videos, is there any chance that you sometime will get a look at Schwarzlose M.7?
Master of Helium he did get one into a light box some time ago (or it appears that is what happened), but that was most likely a museum piece. Museum pieces are not allowed to be used for firing, so that means that it’ll take quite sometime (remember, there isn’t just someone with millions of those things, and willing to loan them out to some TH-cam channel). Maybe the new “Squib” series would alleviate some of those requests, but just keep your fingers crossed.
Have you considered "Co-Branding", I think the term is with RIA or Julia to get some of the weapons for the episodes? Where they would work with the consignor for you to be able to use the firearm for an episode and you would give it's auction listing in the credits like Ian does?
Great video! One question... why dont you let Mae give a lecture and you shoot one?
PS..... did you check that gun???
Lol... couldnt resist.
To add further confusion to the naming of these three pistols, from what I can gather Japanese-language sources don't seem to share the "Type A" / "Type A Modified" / "Type B" split. Instead we have what translates to "Large-Model kou" / "Large-Model otsu" / "Small-Model".
The suffixes kou and otsu are roughly equivalent to A and B, though it depends on how much you want to translate or be more of a purist. You'll find the same "not alphabet" system used for variants of military things in general too (kou/otsu/hei/tei/...). The part that's inconsistent is it seems(!) that English sources may have misinterpreted these as the model name itself, and then also applied kou/A to both large pistols, and moved otsu/B to the small one.
It seems like one of those so-common examples from this time period where a gun didn't really have a "proper" name, but more like a series of descriptors. That is to say, Nambu (designer) Large-Model (descriptor) otsu/B (iteration).
I don't want to claim to be the ultimate authority on this or anything, it's just what I've been able to gather, but there are certainly a LOT of foreign names we've misnamed in English and all take for granted to be correct.
Where can I buy one of these in the United States.
The problem with the Type 14 having poor reliability has to be dependent on the year of make. If it's anything between 1927-1938 are considered pretty well made and I do in fact used to fire a fair share of my friend's pre-war Nambu (His did not have the enlarged trigger guard) and my friend's grandfather war trophy from Okinawa which was a 1944 Type 14 he got from a surrendering soldier who took it from his dead officer.
We took those two one day to the range (We're all friends) and the pre-war ones fired very nicely cycling though about 72 rounds combined among 4 people while the damn stupid war time Type 14 can't even handle past 15 rounds before the entire recoil spring deformed. We brought a reproduction, stronger one and changed it on the spot (Took us about 45 mins as we're at a range near a gun shop in Colorado) and after firing another 20 rounds, the magazine latch broke and the magazine keeps wanting to fall out and we stopped firing the gun. What a useless piece of crap the war time Japanese weapons are...
32:13 The nomenclature crossover is especially amusing because historically, the only organization the Imperial Japanese Army hated more than the enemy (whoever the enemy might have been at any particular time) was the Imperial Japanese Navy, and vice versa.
Also, feels like a Lahti? I admit I haven't handled a Papa, only the later Type 14, but c'mon, there's no way a Nambu weighs 45 pounds. :)
(I love my Lahti, but ye gods, I swear I have rifles that don't weigh as much.)
I love your show love everything about it when do you think you'll start on World War 2 guns
At 14:34 we meet Disheveled Othais, who is now my favorite Othais.
Sleep... New episode... Sleep... New episode... New episode!
Very cool!
Also, please don't gouge your own eyes out Othais, take some time off if you need it.
don't you cite your sources on the website? send them ther
Neat! 😆
I think the biggest issue with the cartridge is the size. It is a rather long cartridge for a rather low velocity. The main issue with the length is the way they sit in the magazine. They are all kind of tilted up, resting on each other in a very awkward manor. If you get any dirt in that magazine, it locks up. It seems that cartridge was the main weak link to the whole system, and not just due too the meh power.
Brilliantly done, as always. Thanks guys! (I hope this comment helps your channel to grow :-)
I know and have viewed you video on the Colt 1917. I have searched and I don't believe you did one one the S&W 1917. If the reason is because you can't get one. I have a S&W 1917 if you would like to borrow it.
What is Mae's Favorite pistol for WW 1 ?
If the rounds hadn't been bottlenecked and packed with more powder, 8mm Nambu could have been an effective round, but I doubt you'd still need a locked breech. But it would have made more sense instead of what they had. Though it's a refined gun nonetheless 👍
How did people figure what Mark to put on the gun sights can anybody referred me to any good online article or explain to me how they figured out the Range of cartridge and then how this information was used to create the markings on a rifle sights so basically asking how did people create rifle sights and how they work
Actually Mark was considering an Anvil on how they calculated projectile speed etc
It would be cool to have a copy to test 8mm Nambu +P rounds.
Awesome content, Othais! Side note...why do all these people have trouble with their ruger pistols? I never new there was an issue until the internets came along. Maybe it's algors fault.
Not a gun owner, but perhaps it's because they don't clean them often enough? I've heard they're difficult to disassemble for cleaning, and if something's difficult, the natural human thing to do is to not do it.
Is something wrong with your a-store? I cannot access it.
I have a feeling that you won't respond to this, but how do you spell the name of the rare swiss pistol you mentioned in 6:13? I tried searching it on google and modifying the spelling each time I get it wrong but I just have difficulty looking for it
Thank's for uploading. I am Japanese.
I personally think the cartridge is fine for the pistol. .380 is regularly still made with locking pistols. And .380-.45acp has similar one shot stop stats from police.
Sooo, is that where Bill Ruger got his Std Auto model?
I don't see how the barrel is locked to the breech-block/bolt.
Are you sure you checked the gun for being loaded?
Will you do Japanese and Russian shirts this year so I can look like a Weeb/Gopnik?
A t-shirt with anime characters wielding all of the Japanese firearms of WWI, signed by the C&Rsenal team.
Man Othias you remind me a bit of that guy that sings "Black Betty". LOL
+FranzAntonMesmer nup the dude from Ram Jam
Hope everything is well Othaias, dont want to see you stress out over things :(.