As an old retired drummer and hobby producer, I never thought about evolving the eq around the attack of the kick throughout a song. Great idea. Thanks!
Your videos always have valuable information and they have helped me a lot in my music. Also they are super well edited and go straight to the point. Thanks a lot for this.
Wow took a break producing last year, produced for years with accompanied with breaks. Now I'm busy on some track I come back to some channels whenever I run into a problem, these days you make really simple fast videos avoiding to much details that most of the time make things more difficult to comprehend!! Love your new way of tutorials! Very useful for people who come back from a break and need to refresh some knowledge, start a new music style or just started producing music!
I always choose the definitive kick at the end because if i start the track production from a kick i feel like i'm constricted to follow a certain genre or take certain sound choice for the other elements.
Hmm, my approach is the opposite. The kick, to me, is part of what tells me how the rest of the song should be written. That doesn't mean I don't replace the kick in the end, but I use the sound of the kick to help eliminate possibilities when I'm writing the tune.... But I get it that everyone works differently. ✅
Thank you, you are great, always helping producers. Something I feel is important to do on the kicks (if necessary yes) is a little EQ cleaning on the super lows, around 40hz, maybe less. At least that's what I saw from some masterclasses from great producers.
Great work compartmentalising frequency ranges for kicks and complimentary uses; I know a lot of electronic producers chase that big chest-hitting sub; and it's also worth noting how the fundamental/root low frequency(sub) of the kick relates to the rest of the track; You touched on it in side-chaining the bass. But for circumstances where there is no difference in time domain; (Bass on upbeat kick on downbeat); it's important to consider the root/fundamental frequency; If both your bass and kick are sitting on an A55hz, it might be worth considering moving your kick (like you mentioned) to the relative minor (3rd) up to a C65hz. This is a common thing I hear that differentiates pro mixes for amateur productions;
Yooo whenever I got a problem with mixing Alice comes for the rescue. Although I don't work with Ableton, your information and tips and tricks are very handy!
Excellent tutorial, I want to know more about the length of the kick, I always have doubts, and in large speakers (for example a festival), sometimes the bassline as a whole fails.
My advice after 30 years of producing clubmusic is, that before you touch or equalize the kick try to equalize the bassline at first. Cut that peak of low frequencies out of your bassline that is the maximum peak of your kick. Mostly it is around 60-80 Hz. Cut those frequencies out with a peak of -9,0 dB (Q 2.5 or 3.0) and a low cut around 40 Hz. Now the most kicks have enough room in their frequency range. After that sidechain your bassline with the kick with a gain reduction of 5-6 dB. The bassline and the hi-hats should work and groove alone without the kick and then the kick sound is mostly secondary or you can start to choose some kicks. Insert a low cut at 150-200 Hz for all other tracks (chords, leads, piano, percussion etc.) After that procedure the most kicks should work with your bassline. Although the kick should go right with the style of your track and the release shouldn't be too long. Short kicks work mostly better and you have the possibility to boost them with a pultec style eq with the so called "pultec trick".
Yeah, I hate this type of music. Unfortunately, people who make this type of music are the most skilled at shaping sounds on a computer, so you have to take lessons from them. You'd be a fool not to.
@@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn heh, I love this type of music Because it's the only kind of music in which you can seriously hear something fresh and unique, in opposition to for eg acoustic songs, where the same guitar sound has been fucked for 50 years xD
@@wizzy2600 To me, they were making this same music on drum machines in the 80s, I can't see there's much unique about it, I just appreciate the skills involved because they can be used on recordings of real instruments. Each to their own though, taste is subjective.
@@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn yeah it's not autism to say that considering what person typed above about kicks :-) nice shaping for you not for people who like to listen to complex sounds
And still I prefer the sound of the first example, Kick 1, which supposedly failed. And Kick 3, which is supposedly good, sounds boring. Anyway, thanks for the tips!
How low should you tune the fundamental of the kick? Would the tuning be different depending on if the track is intended for a club, or more of a "consumer" mix?
Hey Alice i love your videos, been using a lot of your techniques to glue kick and bass, i wanted to ask you about how do you suggest sidechain after using the tips showed in this video, is it necessary?? I agree so much about the high end importance on the kick, i like to do lo-fi hip hop, and to get more "presence" on the kick, besides having high frecuencys i also like to use sidechain or duck it. Many greetings!!
uh, piling up layers of percussion can be very counterproductive. Layering works in context and it is not mandatory. Sometimes kick is just fine as is, with processing, eq, compression, distortion, drum buss processing, side chain also plays a big part in making kick work. But first and foremost, understanding frequency spectrum and dynamics is the key. Also tuning 100ms long dirty transient makes no sense, but that's a topic on its own.
Not always!! i know i may get hate for that but don't always trust your ears because it can easily trick you t hear something that isnt there during a long session so like you see in the video, she's showing the waveforms and how it looks like on the eq too which is also about understanding how your music looks visually, but your advice is pretty solid, just thought i'd add up that visually understanding waveforms and frequencies can be of great help.
Ms. Alice, I know you are trying to explain everything in the simplest way, but can you please try to speak a little more slowly and show two examples for everything you are explaining, everything in your videos is very fast 😅
Look, another real snowflake whose existence threatened by a trans girl trying to teach electronic music production to the community. How insecure are you with your masculinity/femininity? You are the one ashamed here.
It is actually other way around. After many years of rejecting who I am, I finally accepted who I am last year and found peace. Even though I knew it would bring haters like you. 😉
@@Alice-Efe to think of the horrors your ancestors went through to survive and pass down their lineage just to end up at this point in time with you. A dude pretending to be a girl…..
@@nalaeel219what type of delusion are you talking about?? I’m here to watch someone’s perspective of mixing a kick. I got what I came for. Wait till you find out about Reid Stefan’s tutorials.
Whaaaat, how in the world can you assume my kick is failing?? I watched many videos from this really great TH-cam channel (sorry for advertising, here) run by the electronic music artist Alice Yalcin Efe, who spreaded lots of much appreciated knowledge for making proper drumwork. Big recommendation, or as they say in Spain: mucho recommendo! (ok, I made that last part up) Thanks for sharing, helpful as always. 😏
What is your favourite pro kick trick? And what other reasons do you think that are common that make a kick fail?
Use one good kick rather then multiple kicks layered unless you can make sure that they are phase aligned 😊
I like short kicks, nothing boomy but regardless I always tune them to then main key in the bass groove, nothing worse than an out of tune kick.
The long tail. Many times
My fav. trick is frequency sc. Thx for the video!
There’s a splice serum preset that’s stupendous. Also using big kick
As an old retired drummer and hobby producer, I never thought about evolving the eq around the attack of the kick throughout a song. Great idea. Thanks!
This is absurdly amazing! I can not even describe!!!!
Thank you!❤️
Always informative, the breakdown of all the elements and what to consider for each of them is the shit we didn't know we needed!
Happy to help! 😊🙌
Your videos always have valuable information and they have helped me a lot in my music. Also they are super well edited and go straight to the point. Thanks a lot for this.
Wow took a break producing last year, produced for years with accompanied with breaks. Now I'm busy on some track I come back to some channels whenever I run into a problem, these days you make really simple fast videos avoiding to much details that most of the time make things more difficult to comprehend!! Love your new way of tutorials! Very useful for people who come back from a break and need to refresh some knowledge, start a new music style or just started producing music!
I always choose the definitive kick at the end because if i start the track production from a kick i feel like i'm constricted to follow a certain genre or take certain sound choice for the other elements.
Hmm, my approach is the opposite. The kick, to me, is part of what tells me how the rest of the song should be written. That doesn't mean I don't replace the kick in the end, but I use the sound of the kick to help eliminate possibilities when I'm writing the tune.... But I get it that everyone works differently. ✅
@@briancase6180 Of course. As long as it works! 🤝
Excellent advice, never thought about it that way. Clever.
you are the best! nobody is making content like yours! very meaningful and straight to the point... love your videos, and your voice!
aww thanks a ton!
Thank you, you are great, always helping producers. Something I feel is important to do on the kicks (if necessary yes) is a little EQ cleaning on the super lows, around 40hz, maybe less. At least that's what I saw from some masterclasses from great producers.
I was waiting so long to understand those things about kick, thanks Alice!
Once again, I learned something 😂 what a great tutorial. You’ve become one of my favorites thru your technical analysis of producing! Thanks!
This is really great. It's easy to understand and easy to apply. Thanks.
Thanks for this video. For me it's one of the best tutorials about kicks!
The thumbnail is an artwork in itself… your dramatic sad facial expression about my failing kick… hilarious haha
Still providing some of the very best production tips on TH-cam 🙌🏻
you are awsome alice. youre videos are really good.
Alice please keep theses amazing videos coming ... Your the best 👍
Great work compartmentalising frequency ranges for kicks and complimentary uses;
I know a lot of electronic producers chase that big chest-hitting sub; and it's also worth noting how the fundamental/root low frequency(sub) of the kick relates to the rest of the track;
You touched on it in side-chaining the bass.
But for circumstances where there is no difference in time domain; (Bass on upbeat kick on downbeat); it's important to consider the root/fundamental frequency;
If both your bass and kick are sitting on an A55hz, it might be worth considering moving your kick (like you mentioned) to the relative minor (3rd) up to a C65hz.
This is a common thing I hear that differentiates pro mixes for amateur productions;
Always learning every detail with you :D Thanks.
always always good information, never stop doing this videos!
Yooo whenever I got a problem with mixing Alice comes for the rescue.
Although I don't work with Ableton, your information and tips and tricks are very handy!
This video is so important! Please more of this! Subbing now.
You seemed to have really upped the video production. I really liked the artistic/ hand drawn visual aids in earlier videos. Thanks again.
We are really constantly working on the videos to make them better. Really glad to hear that it come through. Thank you!
@@Alice-Efe ily, sweetie. 🥺
Omg I haven't seen the past 5-8 videos I love your new hair!!!
Thank you Alice!
Alice is a saver for everyone who wants to improve the foundation of their music production.
Thanks for lovely information, that's was amazing like all ways , big teşekkürler again.🖤
Thank you for tuning in! 🙌😊
love u, alice, thanks always!
Excellent tutorial, I want to know more about the length of the kick, I always have doubts, and in large speakers (for example a festival), sometimes the bassline as a whole fails.
So much effort in the editing
the way you simplify and deliver is insane
Thank you, cheers!
Good video Biskui
Looking good Alice! 😊
again wow...thank you it is so much helpful
Extremely useful video thanks Alice.
yayyyy! glad to help!
Great tutorial!
Thanks!!! ❤
Also could be great to see tutorial, how create kicks in Kick2
Uno de los mejores videos!!! Felicitaciones!!!
keşke udemy vs. türkçe eğitimler versen, öyle iyisin ki prodüksiyonda
Thanks for another practical video. 😊
Cheers! 😊✌
4:34 How about tutorial on creating such bass? And what synth that is? Sounds really dope
Another great video, Alice!
Thank you! Cheers to you!
the whole process by merging click, body and tail can be achieved with the chop suey vst from tracktion
great video, Arsen!
She is giving great content here
My advice after 30 years of producing clubmusic is, that before you touch or equalize the kick try to equalize the bassline at first.
Cut that peak of low frequencies out of your bassline that is the maximum peak of your kick. Mostly it is around 60-80 Hz. Cut those frequencies out with a peak of -9,0 dB (Q 2.5 or 3.0) and a low cut around 40 Hz. Now the most kicks have enough room in their frequency range. After that sidechain your bassline with the kick with a gain reduction of 5-6 dB.
The bassline and the hi-hats should work and groove alone without the kick and then the kick sound is mostly secondary or you can start to choose some kicks.
Insert a low cut at 150-200 Hz for all other tracks (chords, leads, piano, percussion etc.)
After that procedure the most kicks should work with your bassline. Although the kick should go right with the style of your track and the release shouldn't be too long. Short kicks work mostly better and you have the possibility to boost them with a pultec style eq with the so called "pultec trick".
As always, great content!
Thank you! I try my best!
I have been trying to figure this out for a month thanks
Glad I could help
@@Alice-Efe yup
I love to use Kick2 plugin to make all my kick's. This plugin give me a high control to make and handle kicks how work perfect with my bassline.
do you really recommend this way instead of making them on serum?
I am a person that never comments, but i got to say this video was a banger! 1000 of youtube video tips just got connected in my brain :) thx
Aww thanks a ton, really appreciate that you break your silence and comment. All the best to you!
At the beginning, all three kicks sucks xD
😅😅😅
Yeah, I hate this type of music. Unfortunately, people who make this type of music are the most skilled at shaping sounds on a computer, so you have to take lessons from them. You'd be a fool not to.
@@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn heh, I love this type of music Because it's the only kind of music in which you can seriously hear something fresh and unique, in opposition to for eg acoustic songs, where the same guitar sound has been fucked for 50 years xD
@@wizzy2600 To me, they were making this same music on drum machines in the 80s, I can't see there's much unique about it, I just appreciate the skills involved because they can be used on recordings of real instruments.
Each to their own though, taste is subjective.
@@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn yeah it's not autism to say that considering what person typed above about kicks :-) nice shaping for you not for people who like to listen to complex sounds
5:35 I actually liked the 3 kick in this mix, maybe because of the tail?
And still I prefer the sound of the first example, Kick 1, which supposedly failed. And Kick 3, which is supposedly good, sounds boring. Anyway, thanks for the tips!
How low should you tune the fundamental of the kick? Would the tuning be different depending on if the track is intended for a club, or more of a "consumer" mix?
Hey Alice i love your videos, been using a lot of your techniques to glue kick and bass, i wanted to ask you about how do you suggest sidechain after using the tips showed in this video, is it necessary??
I agree so much about the high end importance on the kick, i like to do lo-fi hip hop, and to get more "presence" on the kick, besides having high frecuencys i also like to use sidechain or duck it.
Many greetings!!
amazing !! Thanks :)
uh, piling up layers of percussion can be very counterproductive. Layering works in context and it is not mandatory. Sometimes kick is just fine as is, with processing, eq, compression, distortion, drum buss processing, side chain also plays a big part in making kick work. But first and foremost, understanding frequency spectrum and dynamics is the key. Also tuning 100ms long dirty transient makes no sense, but that's a topic on its own.
Love your hair blonde babe, suits you so well!
i think that i love you
Hi, I would like to buy some of your courses, you can see them with subtitles, for example in Italian
Still LOVE the new look ;)
Aww thanks a ton!
Mfw Im just stacking drum busses 😂
I do not undestand why use click and when to use it
I work on my "Black Swan" track
Good luck!
Great video thank you! Also, Anyma reproduction? Explore your future?
I have already a video about it 😊
what's the music at 8:08 please ?
ALL
Ur the best teacher
Just believe in your ears and train your ears when you listen to other tracks
Not always!! i know i may get hate for that but don't always trust your ears because it can easily trick you t hear something that isnt there during a long session so like you see in the video, she's showing the waveforms and how it looks like on the eq too which is also about understanding how your music looks visually, but your advice is pretty solid, just thought i'd add up that visually understanding waveforms and frequencies can be of great help.
I ❤ u
Ms. Alice, I know you are trying to explain everything in the simplest way, but can you please try to speak a little more slowly and show two examples for everything you are explaining, everything in your videos is very fast 😅
😅
Hold up ... kicks have tails ? 😳
Those taily kicks...
I think my ears don't work 😓
Keep it up, u definitely can nailed it
Shame on everyone playing into this guys delusion. He wants us to accept him for who he is when he couldn’t even accept himself for who he is….
and you can cry about it
Look, another real snowflake whose existence threatened by a trans girl trying to teach electronic music production to the community.
How insecure are you with your masculinity/femininity? You are the one ashamed here.
It is actually other way around.
After many years of rejecting who I am, I finally accepted who I am last year and found peace.
Even though I knew it would bring haters like you. 😉
@@Alice-Efe to think of the horrors your ancestors went through to survive and pass down their lineage just to end up at this point in time with you. A dude pretending to be a girl…..
@@nalaeel219what type of delusion are you talking about?? I’m here to watch someone’s perspective of mixing a kick. I got what I came for.
Wait till you find out about Reid Stefan’s tutorials.
Whaaaat, how in the world can you assume my kick is failing?? I watched many videos from this really great TH-cam channel (sorry for advertising, here) run by the electronic music artist Alice Yalcin Efe, who spreaded lots of much appreciated knowledge for making proper drumwork. Big recommendation, or as they say in Spain: mucho recommendo! (ok, I made that last part up)
Thanks for sharing, helpful as always. 😏