Critical Racists | Christopher Rufo | EP 280
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Christopher Rufo cast himself into the middle of controversy as he sought to bring light to the inner workings of American academia, and more specifically, how our institutions have begun to funnel in a new and ultimately detrimental worldview, critical race theory. He sits down with Dr Jordan B Peterson to discuss the subject, delving into the true threat that has breached thousands of publicly funded schools.
Rufo is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. Before this he was a visiting fellow for domestic policy studies at The Heritage Foundation, as well as a Lincoln fellow at the Claremont Institute, and a research fellow at the Discovery Institute of Washington. In his early career, he worked in the documentary filmmaking field, where he saw first hand how impoverished communities in the United States operate, and more appropriately continue to struggle under a cycle of seemingly inescapable destitution.
He is the author of two books, “No Way Home: The Crisis of Homelessness,” and “How to Fix It with Intelligence and Humanity.” Today he publishes a show dedicated to these topics on his TH-cam channel, “Christopher Rufo Theory."
Christopher Rufo's early experiences led him to publicly stand against the rapidly growing movement we see today to teach Critical Race Theory in schools, focusing mainly on K through 12. He argues that CRT looms as “an existential threat to the United States.”
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Thank you, Dr. Peterson.
"Critical Theory" -- be it Race, Gender, Legal, etc -- is naked, unconcealed Marxism.
Treat Marximum for what it is.
A corrupt, nihilistic religion that has killed hundreds of millions and ENSLAVED over a BILLION people.
The talk reminded me of the movie "The East" 2013
@@geneticsmatter3834 hu
This interview is one of Jordan Peterson's best.
The first half, an explanation of CRT + Woke, is very clear and succinct.
I like James Lindsay and Bret Weinstein too, but they go off into the weeds in a hurry.
JP NEEDS to have James Lindsay on for a really long podcast diving into the history and philosophical implications of Leftism, Communism and all of the dots connecting it to today’s world with CRT and Queer Theory and the like.
Yep
Lindsay was first, I don't care what Rufo says about it
Here here
I look forward to this 27 hour long podcast.
@@rdf256 I wish.
Laughing out loud about protestors being undisciplined and unable to assemble in the morning. Jordan Peterson is one hell of a comedian and truth teller.
Are you a white male far right political activist too?
@@democracymeansdcstatehood3606 Is everyone that has a different opinion than you evil?
@@democracymeansdcstatehood3606 you obviously are one of the dimwits who takes offense at the truth.
@@democracymeansdcstatehood3606 White person who identifies as female because I have the corresponding genitals, non-woke, not a political activist. Not privileged enough to have free time for activism.
Shame on you for mis-gendering me you, red herring gas lighter or something.
@@democracymeansdcstatehood3606 Identity fixation is dangerous
One thing (of many things) I will always admire about JBP is that he makes enlightenment widely accessible! Thank you sir. 🙏
As a teacher, I say your work is critical. Ideologues disingenuously claim CRT is not taught in K-12 schools, but this philosophy permeates everything in our public schools. The precepts of CRT as it pertains to education, primarily closing the achievement and discipline gaps, have become much more important than the fundamental purpose of education, which are the 3 Rs. I have taught in multiple schools and I see terrible societal costs in the coming years.
I have lived in a mixed neighbourhood for the past 7 years. I'm a white senior. I was always treated with respect. 'hello, how are you... ' since Floyd I have noticed a big difference. Blacks stopped saying hello. I am not the only person. Who noticed the difference.
I recently forgot to close the back windows on a Sunday afternoon & left them open. The next day my car was soaked. Before Floyd, someone would have knocked on my door.
No one did. It's not only me.
It's little things. Reverse racism is rampant. Anger is rampant.
@@SamSung-nf6tr , great time
And those terrible societal costs are the point aren't they?!?
You can't build a New World Order and a One World Govt, with a One World Religion, a Global Economy etc without tearing the old one down first.
Do we all see the agenda yet?!?
@@SamSung-nf6tr Yes, and ppl are not being taught how to channel that anger into something useful rather than destruction...
I believe James Lindsay reading Paolo Friere chapters, and how his evangelist named Henry Gireaux imported an Americanized version of Friere into schools. Friere stated he was a fan of Che Guevara, Mao, and Lenin.
Friere also believed in a similar culture war as Gramsci, which Rufo is discussing. What Friere developed was a _method_ of turning all education into Marxist form of Sunday School, using standard lessons as simply a medium to politicize.
Point being that the 3Rs and workplace competence simply "reproduces the existing system", which is rotten and not desired, because it's not communism, so therefore it is by definition oppressive.
I could add more but not necessary.
Brilliant conversation and my respect for both of you is immense for what you do.
He's a literal propagandist and grifter idiot. literally admitted he purposefully redefined CRT for his own political agenda
@@steven5054 Except Chris is the one who personally carved the path for these morons to walk through
sigh.. ur ego is tiring Steven.
@@ericb6048 I'm willing to bet you think of yourself as witty as Oscar Wilde, when in fact your are as quick witted as that weird orange-faced ghoul who lost the 2020 election....
@@steven5054 Definition of 'Grifters': 'a person who engages in petty or small-scale swindling."I saw him as a grifter who preys upon people" ' Dr. Petersen has a robust track record of speaking truth to the power within each of us, exposing nonsense and lies. Whatever he is he's not a grifter. Argue against his points if you can, not against the man. Defintion of 'ad hominem' : (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
As someone who was born and lived in Soviet Union and now living in France I deeply appreciate and agree with every bit of what is said about Soviet system. But it's not just it. The problem is deeper.
I think that Jordan Peterson doesn't vocalise enough (due to his diligence I believe) in his elaboration on why the privileged ones turn into radical left. Yes, to some degree there is a guilt and lack of discipline and thought this guilt it's they way to exercise the power and get some recognition (this was said in the podcast) but what I saw and understood it is way beyond that. This feeling goes further up until the point where their desire to do some good with not much effort transforms to desire to judge and desire to unshakable authority, where they don't even need to explain their words (don't forget, they are lazy), they are accepted by everybody, meaning they want to basically become and replace God. This itself is as close to sociopathy as I can tell.
I need to get this straight myself. I've had a bit of a culmination of work (heavily directed by Jordan Peterson) that had resulted in a pretty big psychological moment for me. The religious connotations are undeniable. I haven't found God. But I've found something like him. Many of the religious stories tie in very well with what I'm experiencing. I have much time for religious stories, archetypical stories as a kind of representation of psychological truths. A more easily accessible one.
I think that might be one of Jordan Peterson's greatest gifts to the world. How to find God as a representation of science. Perhaps that's what we can sell to these people... Seems to be working for me. I'm no religious man but anyone who instantly dismisses God as a possibility is a fraud. It shows this flawed thinking that leads to atrocities. Because what do you know? Nothing. So how can you be so arrogant as to dismiss that entirely. That flawed thinking and arrogance is what will lead people to believe the kind of things that result in atrocities in the name of the greater good.
Agnostic is the route for me. Spinoza's God. Christianity, Shinto, Buddhism, Greek Mythology, Roman Mythology. Star Wars, Marvel, DC.. Whatever they all represent a certain truth as Peterson would describe.
I'm just getting a conversation going here.. Writing some of my thoughts to help come to my own conclusions. But as I said at the start what drives these people and how we can help them is what I am trying to figure out. We all need to figure out. There but for the grace of whatever you consider your God (and everyone has one, if you don't know you'd better find out.. Is it money? Women? Pride? Greed? Or maybe something better than that but if you don't know. I think you have a problem).
I think for starters they are rationalising their actions so that they can see them as being morally right. They are 100% hypocrites trying to claim they have the moral high ground. But they don't follow through very far with it. If they did they would soon correct their points of views. The contrast between their words and actions is undeniable and they would find a better way.
I think the moral high ground is the key. They believe they fight from there and we cede it to them. Show them the frauds that they are, show them the true moral high ground.
We don't need to engage with them on their terms and we don't need to hate them. We don't need to engage at all. Often that is the best way to handle it. But they insist on intruding into our lives. We need to take that away from them as an option that's probably the real battle that needs to be fought. The moral argument that needs to be won. But (and here's this religious stuff) we need to be able to forgive. Forgive them and forgive ourselves and make sure they know they can the same.
One of the great revelations I've had lately is doing nothing can be positive. Doing nothing is doing something. Jordan Peterson taught me that. I've always seen doing nothing as doing something negatively. But I've realised that often doing nothing can be positive. Mostly in letting people figure out their own lives, their own problems. Especially people being irrational, hysterical. Walk away. You engage, you lose, they win. You can help them if they want it.. But if they don't, you can't force it. If you don't engage and they want to, they'll figure out a better way for next time and you can have a better interaction. If not.. Don't engage.
But that is the key. They are trying to force their view on us. We need to take away force as an option. Which.. Involves the use of force to protect peoples ability to live freely.
This is a psychological problem but. They talk of the patriarchy but I think it's the matriarchy we live in. The Oedipal Mother writ large. But they made these global problems one person at a time and that's how we need to fix them. One person at a time.
(wow. What a novel.. I reserve the right to edit this when I get to a computer. No proof reading..ill check it over later)
Read Rousseau on resentment
Thanks for your thoughtful comment. I’m inclined to think that Jordan covered your points when he was discussing reputation. I believe he mentioned that the dark triad types fake competence in order to convince others to go along with their aims. He also mentioned laziness when he said that the best time for him to speak at a college was early in the morning when those lazy types you refer to can’t get their arses out of bed.
@@antwanaynay loads. Before the last couple of years more wannabe's trying to keep up with latest trend. The last couple of years since they've been escaping the city quite a few from the upper echelon. But you hear it in anything corporate. Companies, Media, and Corporate Public Service. Even the unions have seen the light and gone Corporate these days.
My wife pointed it out to me. It's fashion as much as anything. Vapid people, no idea why they are doing what they do. But they want to be in the know, in fashion and reap the rewards that come with it. The Nazis are still revered for their fashion (quite the fan if Hugo Boss myself). And that, along with their fellow socialist communists, is where politically correct speak comes from. It is about the party after all and if you want to be a part of the party and reap the benefits, you had best toe the party line. If not? Well, you can accept the punishment. That's free will of course, your choice. The party can't help what you choose to do of your own free will..
V interesting perspective, thanks for sharing!
I feel that feelings of guilt are one of the most corrosive emotions one can have. Especially since they seldom correlate to culpability.
Yes, feelings of guilt are not a forte among scumbags and slavers.
@@parkloqi nor are they common among fault finders and race pimps who relentlessly point out the sins of the PAST as they ignore the sins of the PRESENT. Grow up and take individual responsibility for your own actions.
@@joelosminski4525 That was me agreeing with what you said. Guilty feelings seldom correlate with people who do horrible things as a life strategy- like anonymous woke racist mob members and their historical antecedents as Kristallnacht pogrom mob members or Chinese Cultural Revolution mob members looking for decadent educated neighbors. Their favorite coping strategy for their role on the atrocities is always the Great Amnesia with no trace of guilty feelings.
@@parkloqi he isn’t the original commenter you were agreeing with, but he was also agreeing with you. He wasn’t telling you to grow up but I can see the confusion with that last sentence he wrote. I agree with you guys too, just wanted to clear up a misunderstanding I seen. Have a good day guys!
@@victorruiz9577 Damn, good catches, them was. Is that you, Jordan?
(That’s me, agreeing with everyone here.)
I would LOVE for Jordan Peterson to respond to Chris Rufo’s recent video on the subject of defining CRT. I respect & like you both a lot. We could all benefit from hearing you two flesh this out in the public arena where we can have the opportunity to think & refine our thoughts.
2 heroic legends of the modern culture war together for a 90 minute conversation....
And you had the generosity to share it with us.
Thank You!!
@@steven5054 which proves you've never listened to either man.
@@steven5054
You're the typical comment troll in Peterson videos. Nothing but sneering insults.
@@steven5054 US corporations paid $8 billion in “inclusion & diversity” training in 2020, so tell me again whose on the gravy train? Those who critic it or the Marxists who propagate this garbage?
@The Dude
" i dont take advice from benzo addicts." Then you're an idiot. I learned my trade from a guy that was a severe alcoholic and it killed him, yet I wouldn't be where I am without his teaching and advice. So get off your high horse and take advice for what the advice is worth NOT on the imperfections of the person giving the advice. We're human and we're ALL imperfect. I can apply your logic to anyone alive. "I don't advice from a religious nut" or "I won't take advice from a Democrat"
"I don't take advice from a guy who cheated on his taxes" (that's everyone)
"I don't take advice from a guy that eats meat....or risks his life mountain climbing or would abort their kid or transversely thinks abortion is wrong" There's always something that one can find that you won't approve of.
It's the most ridiculous statement that anyone could make. Right now I could be thinking "I don't take advice from one that would make such a stupid statement". but then I'd be the idiot.
Also, he didn't misunderstand that law. He saw the potential pitfalls and he brought it to our attention. Your hatred won't allow you to take his advice OR want to understand what he was trying to say. All you see is your own hatred.
@@steven5054 agreed it's all for profit $ tactical and rather thoughtless incendiary drivel, profiting off of division and racial tension. As for Peterson, he is no longer an intellectual imo, just an opportunist and a charlatan.
Great interview! Christopher Rufo is an eloquent and knowledgeable speaker, and Dr. Peterson asks all the right questions.
That white male extremist is a political activist for the far right fascist movement, is that your team right now?
Just so we can be clear... here is the truth... Individuals of any race, creed, political party affiliation or color can act racist but in America politically the only tolerated systemic racism is by the Democratic party.... A) against asians and whites as 1) quotas 2) affirmative action and 3) identity politics and B) against blacks and hispanics as 1) welfare dependency, 2) limited public school choices (vouchers, charter schools and school choice) and improper public school management by teacher unions, 3) Democrat party founded police unions deals with their Democrat mayors and Democrat city officials to cover up or under and overcharge officers (murder 1 charge instead of manslaughter to get officers off) by the Democrat district attorney to avoid their convictions, 4) selectively targeting minorities for abortions and 5) controlling the system to fostering single mother child rearing.... all with the narrative that the Democratic party cares about people of color, children and women.
@@docequis9796 -- Thanks for the reply, and all points worthy of further discussion.
I knew Rufo was an effective journalist/activist. I didn’t know, however, that he is exceptionally informed and intelligent. Good to have him on the team.
I’m gonna need a second interview .. let’s make this one a 3 hour interview please!! Loved this.
I’m a big fan of yours, from Vancouver, BC and, began listening to your TH-cam videos about 4 months ago and began reading your book - 12 rules for life, which I have discovered is falling entirely in line as to how I have been living my life for the past year. I suffered some major crises in my life which included the sudden death of my daughter at 34, my only sibling, my brother, at 56, also sudden, my dad at 96, and my husband leaving the marriage, all within a 3 year period. Two and a half years ago I suffered a breakdown where I was involuntarily hospitalized, certified under section 23 of the mental health act, treated like a criminal and was grossly mis-diagnosed by a psychiatrist who didn’t do her due diligence, with bipolar disorder and subsequently forced injections of anti-psychotic medication for 1 year that made me anxious, gravely depressed & suicidal for the first time ever in my life, when my problem turned out to be one that required the complete OPPOSITE treatment - medication for ADHD, for which I was just recently diagnosed with, and successfully treated for, after 59 years. I have accepted 51% responsibility for all of it (because anything less than 51% means I don’t own it and therefore can’t fix it). I have come out a different, more responsible and learned individual, ironically happier and more driven now than ever to accomplish my goals, which are similar to yours, I think.
What concerns me is this, especially among Gen Z and younger Millennial populations, however no age demographic is immune: More and more people are willing to forgo their individual rights/freedoms in favour of averting responsibility. Our current government is capitalizing on this behaviour in the interests of maintaining/increasing it’s power and appeasing the people by creating a dysfunctional parent (government) - child (citizen) relationship. This creates a vicious cycle where we become even more reliant on government as we simultaneously lose our passion to improve. A very successful First Nations Chief, Clarence Louie, one of the first Indian Bands to capitalize on the use of their land by developing a winery and surrounding condominium complexes among other amenities, once told me “the quickest way to kill a man is to pay him to do nothing. He put his people to work which gave them a reason to get up in the morning, and the rest is history. They became among the healthiest/wealthiest Indian Bands in the province. Unfortunately, I see us heading in the opposite direction with all of the government handouts. Although I’m not a fan of Trudeau, it seems his government policy is responding exactly to what it is the people think they want rather than what it is they need. Younger generations who haven’t got a clue about what it is to live in a socialist country are the most vulnerable and what I would say to them, is “be careful what you wish for”. Just my two cents on that.
I would really love to discuss a few ideas I have about how I might be able to make a difference in changing current attitudes. I connect well with young adults as I spent several years working in a high school library in addition to raising four children (3 Millennials; 1 Gen Z, and, for the first 4 years, co-raising my granddaughter (my deceased daughter’s child, who is now, 6). I am devoting my life to seeing that capitalism continues here in Canada, we gain back some freedoms and to make the world a better place. You can learn more about me as I post on all social media platforms under my name-my profiles are public. Thank you for your tireless, dedicated work to this end and I look forward to listening to more of your videos and podcasts.
God bless you and your children
I'd probably email JP next time, but it makes me hopeful reading stories like yours and I'm appreciative I had the chance to in this forum...
Being white, male, American, and also hugely empathetic to to a diverse range on sorrowfully misinformed and grossly neglected youths in my city, I wish our voice was as loud as theirs.
@@DallasJonez thanks for the advice. I’ll try that. I also appreciate the encouraging words 🙏
Keep grinding. Life is suffering. My mom just died Monday…our legacy is our children. Focus on them. Love is the antidote to pain.
This interview was mind-blowing. I'll be looking forward to listening more of Mr. Rufo
Rufo is good. So is James Lindsay and Michael O'Fallon (if you have not run across them).
Rufo is a low life anti-ADOS ignoramus who needs to fix his Italian homeland.
Really? Not much mind to blow eh?
@@soapmonkey6357 It's already blown to smithereens, how else can you endure the entirety of a JP video?
@@soapmonkey6357 I got something you can blow...
Absolutely worth a listen. So much good information was presented and in an intellectual and balanced way. Bravo!
Excellent conversation. Well done to Christopher Rufo for speaking so eloquently and authentically.
"Yeah well it's so annoying when the working class doesn't know what's best for them" Laughed out loud at that one! Great episode, incredibly revealing of what is a very backwards ideology.
Super grateful for this free high value education! Thank you Jordan! Thank you Rufo!
He's a literal propagandist and grifter idiot. literally admitted he purposefully redefined CRT for his own political agenda
Most do not realize it, but one of the major purveyors of CRT in North America is a company called PEG--Pacific Educational Group, run by Glenn Singleton. Their CRT-infused brand (Courageous Conversation) first hit our schools in Saint Paul, MN in 2010. By 2017 220 major market public school districts had contracted with them. In other words, in many districts this damaging rhetoric has been going on for quite awhile. My husband was cancelled because of it, and was chased to 4 districts in the state and then separated from his teaching career in 2019. He was also "investigated" by the MN Board of Education, but in the end their case was dropped because they saw how many St. Paul teachers were being targeted by their own district. Since then CRT blankets the land and my husband can no longer teach.
The quality JBP production, conversations and guests has gotten in a night when he joined forces with Daily Wire is just something I am all for! Huge appreciation.
Jordan Peterson pretends to be for freedom of speech yet I can't even comment on his post because my opinion doesn't seem to count.
@@jerrylong6238 My friend, unless your comment was a joke, I believe you have entirely misunderstood what free speech means. Jordan Peterson is one of the strongest voices to unequivocally champion free speech today. It seems to me that he sacrificed everything short of his life to stand up for free speech and thankfully there are many people who firmly stand by him now. Although that was not always the case. I hope since you posted this comment you have learned more about this incredibly important topic. I wish you nothing but health and happiness,
Excellent work. Both of you.
Christopher speaks very well and definitely has done his homework.
@@JakeJacobs_ are you okay?
Love how intense and animated Jordan becomes when the discussion is something he feels passionate about - he turns it into an art form, surprised Christopher didn't spontaneously applaud like I did.......remarkable orator.
@@steven5054 then you didn't understand much of this did you?
What’s Happening Nationally?(NAACP website)
● Conservative activist Christopher Rufo referred to CRT in a Fox News interview as “cult indoctrination” and claimed it was the “default ideology of the federal bureaucracy,” painting it as a means of classifying individuals as good or bad rather than *policies and structures as racist or anti-racist.* Rufo’s characterization was that CRT was about white people having bad intentions, when in reality the principles of CRT say that *often policies* that are color-blind in their language and intent can *unintentionally perpetuate systems of oppression.*
Wonderful that JP is back to his brilliant best.
I think Christopher Rufo was equally well spoken in this interview.
@@marcusdeangelis4143 CRT = Cynical Rufo’s Trickery
You are a life changer and the bestower of hope Mr. Peterson and I thank you! I was hoping you could do another show on homeschooling. I'm in California and I was one of those moms who said they would never ever homeschool that all changed last year I'm currently home schooling and I actually like it except for the fact that it's difficult because unfortunately I'm the breadwinner, educator, etc. I also don't know what to do with my daughter she such a social butterfly so the change has been a little difficult with her missing her friends. Could you please do an update on how you feel and maybe some more insight from your point of view.
I’m also in California, homeschooling my grandson.
He is also very social,
but has no desire to return to public school.
We meet up with other homeschooling families.
We’re partnered with Sky Mountain Charter School that works only with Homeschooling families.
They provide educational assistance and a student fund account that covers all educational materials, including extra curriculum activities and field trips with other homeschooling families.
Side note: THIS is how you do a remote interview! So many other youtubers/podcasters etc who do remote interviews usually have the host using studio grade recording equipment (dedicated microphone and good camera), and then they usually have their guest on Zoom or whatever, and the host's production team will just do a screen recording of the Zoom call and use the audio from the Zoom call. Clearly Jordan has a clever production person who asked the guest to set up his own studio recording equipment, and simultaneously record high quality video and audio directly at the guest's end, then, the guest's production team send over their high quality audio/video to Jordan's production team, who sync everything up, and they have a fantastic high quality video to upload to youtube, rather than having to make do with the guest's shoddy webcam, airpods microrphone, and poor wifi connection meaning we viewers end up with all the connection glitches and poor quality that occurred during the actual call. So yeah, props to Jordan, and/or his production team, or whoever made the decision to go the extra mile and request that Christopher Rufo actually roll a recording while they were on the call to have a much better end result.
Other youtubers/podcasters who do remote stuff like this should be taking notes. Even just asking your guest to set up a tripod and record video with their iPhone while they're on the call on their laptop would be so much better than lazily screen capturing the zoom call...
Dr. Peterson keeps blowing me away with his brilliant insights.
Are you a cisgender white male right winger too?
This is going to be awesome. Now we need James Lindsay on the podcast!
💯👍
This ^^^
Yes!
Jordan please keep doing live events if you can, I am in the UK and want see you in person, it would mean the world - currently I'm poor, but going to do everything I can to see and watch you live. Thank you for everything that you have done and continue to do.
Hı Jack, I am poorer than you (just imagine that 1 pound is almost 23 Turkish Lira !! ) and he would be coming to Cyprus in April and I have been in a dark place since hearing this as I live in the north which is called TRNC and dominated by Turkey
Going to Cyprus Republic with my narrow budget is killing me
I sooo wish I could listen him live ❤
Good night I learn so much with these talks. I'm 53 and still learning! Love your content Jordan!
This is the best discussion I’ve heard on this topic, after probably 200 hours of other videos on the issue. Thanks so much for sharing this with us.
I learned so much from this episode. What a brilliant young man. Looking forward to seeing more from him. Thank you to both of you.
He's a literal propagandist and grifter idiot. literally admitted he purposefully redefined CRT for his own political agenda
Rufo is a champ. Great guest! That "intellectual imperialism" quip was beyond epic and totally nails it.
lol champ how?
I'd been impressed by Christopher Rufo in his other interview with Dr Peterson, so had to come back for more. What an engaging and articulate young man. It is always interesting when someone who started out quite far to the left then changes to a more conservative approach. It's impressive too that he is someone who is taking action to change things, and he gave examples of states which are trying to "level the playing field". The champagne socialist types always have an inner contempt for the working people. One of the "new" Labour politicians here in the UK said of his party's mass immigration policy of the early 2000s that "they wanted to rub the Conservatives' noses in diversity", tells you everything you need to know. It will be interesting to see how the CRT and DEI mob seek to ruin the STEM subjects, having already done for arts and humanities.
Along with Dr.james Lindsey,these two are extremely accurate and informed on CRT and it's mechanisms
Yes I love them both.
James and JP need to have a really long podcast about the history and philosophical implications and Leftism, Communism and all of the dots connecting it to today’s world.
Yeah James Lindsay has spoken about Rufo.
I wish the two of them were in this conversation
@@LordBlk correct. He should have invited both
and also Michael O'Fallon
I love it when JBP asks people "What are you up to?" Its such a great opener
"What are you up to?"
--About 5-11"
This was for me the best of two worlds coming together. So thankful of the work you both do.
This was an excellent conversation. I'm glad to see that they're people like Christopher Rufo not just talking about how to fight back within these institutions, but actually doing the work. This cultural and political take over has been allowed to go on for far too long.
BRAVO This is the best podcast explaining what happened to America internally as it went off the rails. Please continue with this lecture for others, many Americans knew their whole life something was wrong internally and have been searching for this information, it has a chance to heal and save America. Both of you complimented each other perfectly. Thank you both Jordan and Christopher
I attended an elite specialized University in California in the 90's. I graduated, foolishly bearing it out to the end...despite all (healthy) instincts directing me to do otherwise. As a small token of thanks to this program, I intentionally did not attend my graduation ceremony. The few hours I spent free of this ceremony, in full recognition of the awkwardness of my absense, were among the freest moments I've ever experienced. This minor personal protest was an appropriate form of recognition about the value of this "education." Parents, do NOT underestimate the damaging, propagandizing nature of these leftist institutions.
Did you just remove the 'Trudeau, travel and "the science"' video? Or was it deleted by TH-cam? I was just listening to it and it cut off with about 5 minutes to go.
This young man is truly brilliant. Jordan is a force of nature. I love this content.
So when he says that there r zero lessons to b learned from other cultures, that’s not supremacist mentality?? Really?? No other cultures have EVER figured anything out for themselves??
@@RojaJaneman they sue don’t act like they have. Constantly crying about the “atrocities” of the past. Grow up and be apart of the NOW.
@@joelosminski4525 you are as ignorant as those two interlocutors!
@@joelosminski4525 The most racist thing to say is that colonization and its effects no longer exist. Saying that only serves the racist.
Wow, wow, WOW!!!
Listening to you both gave me the feeling of coming inside after being out in the cold, and warming up at the wood stove.
Thank you very much to you both ❤️ I could just hug you both for this wonderful discussion.
Imagine being you 🤔 I need to ask you do you take several different medications and you are not more than 20 years old?
@@alexbeer4705 I deleted my first reply to you out of respect to Jordan Peterson. God bless you.
unfortunate comma. lol. either way that goes, cool.
Thank you for providing this upload and introducing me to Christopher Rufo. I had heard of him, but had never really seen any of his work. I am subscribing to his TH-cam channel. I really appreciate your interviews, which expose me to people I may have otherwise not have heard of.
Great conversation and truly insightful! Well done Christopher and thank you for your amazing work. A fantastic and formidable interviewer, my hero Dr. Peterson... I love this channel.
It's wonderful listening to some sane honest people now a day's i started to think there were no more left. Thanks guys!
This was an amazing discussion. I am a White male. I’m also a quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury at age 16. So I do check off one of the proper left wing boxes. But I have rejected that status. Prior to age 16 I grew up in a primarily Black neighborhood. Trust me, I know what it means to be on the short end of the racist stick so to speak. I am tired of people having to apologize for being “white“. Or for being male.…. we have nothing to apologize for and no original sin. At least not for my family which emigrated to America from Ireland in the late 19th century. Nor does the rest of America or western civilization need to apologize. All of humanity have done horrible things to one another over the millennia. Thank God for people like Christopher Rufo. He is younger than myself but seems to have a very solid handle on the falsities of the current governmental and educational narratives. I’ve grown to see straight through the falseness of the left-wing narrative. i’m 60 years old and I am a relic even in the eyes of my own family. Thankfully people like Jordan Peterson and Christopher Rufo carry-on the fight for the truth very well. But the nature of humanity is fallen. And I’m afraid no matter how much we try, even if we correct the course which we are on, we will once again fall into Tribalism, envy and again under the thumb of empty vessel politicians or academics promising milk and honey for the proletariat. All of this while enriching themselves and leaving the mess for others. We have no idea how this is going to end for America, western civilization or for humanity in total. But there are many false gods dwelling on our educational campuses from kindergarten through doctorate school. I would love to be wrong but I think we are in for one hell of a storm of human upon human deprivation. God help us!
Hey , Peterson I just wanted to thank your for your phenomenal wisdom.
Thanks to you , I managed to establish a good family relation ship , it took some years but we are all connected together again.
And we even enjoy the time we spend together.
It's so wholesome...
I simply encouraged my brother's to go outside and all of a sudden , we are on a adventure.
It was exciting and fun and of course I watched over them like a hawk.
But at last we all really felt grateful to one another.
Thank you.
Great topic of conversation. The only comment or question I have is. Why not fix what we have rather than start something else. I liked the "Idea" of free choice for education but that in my opinion does not take away from the existing problems we continue to have in all levels of education today. When we keep trying to reinvent, find other options without dealing with the problems at hand, I think we're just prolonging the problems rather than dealing with them. My opinion only. thanks everyone. And thanks again Jordan and Christopher for your discussions and insights! Cheers
If you have a choice then there will be competition for your dollar. This is where it starts and this is what cures the problem. If the public schools can't hack it then they go out of business because nobody will go there
Alan - Sorry for the late response to your post. I was educated prior to the creation of the federal Dept. of Education and can honestly report that I received a better education than the generations following mine.
At one point the Ed Dept. kept track of test scores. I don't follow it anymore but I used to regularly check what trends were occuring in public schools. In all categories test scores were steadily declining until the schools started dumbing down the tests at which point I stopped following the Ed Dept.'s contrivances.
When public schools were under the auspices of the state Board of Education students received better educations. The federal DOE is nothing more than an incubator for teachers' unions.
I think an important step on the way to reform is building up alternatives that demonstrate the gap in viability between the bad and the good concept.
If you skip this step, your only point of reference is an image of a hypothetically better past that people can easily argue against.
A real and present proof that things could be better than they are is the ultimate wake up call.
Beyond the conceptual level:
If you cannot convince the country of your idea - even with evidence - then a good way of forcing change is attacking their business model by redirecting potential customers to an alternative.
Competition is one of the best ways to discourage complacency.
@@spambot_gpt7 I can understand the point you're making but bloody hell, what a word salad.
A: Because there is no way to reform the Department of Education or the teachers unions. Trump or someone like him might try but Dems won't ever let it happen. We have to apartment over by necessity.
Absolutely brilliant chat, thank you both.
Beautiful -- what a remarkable conversation, which has given me much reassurance as to why it has seemed so right to be following Dr. Peterson all these years. Thank you, gentlemen!
Boom! This was a historic discussion! Thank you gentlemen!!! Education is the greatest equalizer and our Education system currently is failing! These ideas are breathtaking and should be pursued. I will be sharing this forever~
Right you are. That's why Asian parents would kill to get their kids in a great school district.
This was a great conversation!!!
I just want to thank Christopher for his time and efforts in this area. Its so honorable to act when nobody else is.
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Thank you Dr. Peterson . A great subject matter and guest. Christopher Rufo you are a bright man and reaffirm hope in the younger generation amongst us old goats.
This discussion was incredible. It gave clarity to many thoughts I had on these topics and I learned a lot. It's also amazing to hear someone is actually doing something to combat or correct the deeper, more serious problems in our educational systems.
If TH-cam deleted your recent video entitled "Trudeau, Travel and "The Science"" you should do a response video like you did for your twitter ban. This subject NEEDS more light.
Yes, it does. Infact JP had commented on the said video that had been reuploaded now saying he removed it because he forgot to add a graphic.
Thank you, Dr. Peterson, I have sent this session to my children and grandchildren.
Also, I will follow Mr. Rufo futher. I hope his health is good so that he can have a
long time to influence out system. I also hope your better health endures. Bless
you both.
1.00 hr into this Jordon closes in and chops up the evil minions to pieces ! Loved it spot on ! False reputations you got that right ! We got a lot of con artists
Jordan Peterson is a hero and a legend
And a Canadian 😉 🇨🇦
@@jdlflagstone6980 I wanted to say American hero and legend but since hes from Canada… But still we could say a North American hero and legend :) change lives a millions myself included literally thank God thank the universe for him. He gave me the tools to understand how to put my philosophical and scientific knowledge together
@@ChristopherRyans ya he's one of the greatest minds of our time. His philosophy and teachings helped me pull myself together against the odds too, we're lucky to have him. ✌
Thank God you had this interview! I have to read this guys book! He is on point.
The elite can be psycho paths and be successful with shedding of shame ceremonies while worshiping molach at the Bohemian club. Their plans will collapse after Jesus comes back.
This is one of the best dialogues I have listened to.
Two really great minds!
You wonderful chaps!! Not only having and offering insights to thoughts and actions that matter, and are of spiritual benefit (Orthodox Christian here), but have the theme music of another great offering broadcast...Mahalo from Hawai'i.
Really enjoyed this conversation. Thank you both!
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I laughed when Rufo said that he was a leftist. I was, too. A Maoist activist in my teens. Now, like him, a conservative.
I believe there's a famous quote for that phenomenon...lol if your not a liberal in your 20s you don't have a heart. If your not a conservative by your 40s you don't have a brain lol something like that
Me too!
I don't know if you want to admit to being a Maoist ! Lol
@@nickmichalski8504 what why not? We should encourage people to be honest and transparent with their journey. If you were a nazi and now are not, huge respect to you. If you were a pedo and now are taking responsibility for that, fantastic. The person turning away from their flaws to something more beautiful needs to be celebrated more.
Watched on DW+…Outstanding! Thank you for all you do to help us correct course.
Thank you, gentlemen, for some of the highest quality and most worthwhile content that I ever seen online, and I've seen a bit. Godspeed!
I love the EARNEST conversation. Truly giving the devil his due and REALLY understanding the other argument. And THEN understanding/explaining why it is wrong.
Thank you gentleman. In my opinion, you are two of the most important voices on Earth today.
Brilliant conversation! Thank you, Dr. Peterson and Mr. Rufo!
Truth and an eloquent various descriptions of the human condition in the context of educational and political arena on a silver plate! Thank you Jordan Peterson and thank you Christopher Rufo.
Best hour and one half I've spent in a long time... Love your work Dr. Peterson and appreciate Christopher Rufo for his knowledge and wisdom.
One of your best podcasts ever. It was so informative. 🙏
Chris Rufo is one of my heroes! So happy to see this conversation
I also have great respect & gratitude for the work you both do! Thank you for demonstrating how to respond in a knowledgeable, courteous & respectful manner to those who oppose your point of view
This was an amazing discussion. So many well thought out "Mic drop" moments from you both.
Here in Victoria, Australia, CRT has infested ALL of the public service. Members of the public service are required to undergo unconscious bias training, etc. We have suffered from years of rule by a far left tyrannical dictator, who would rival Trudeau. But, the supposedly conservative opposition is just utterly pathetic. It is getting close to a point that I may have to consider moving, essentially becoming a political refugee, from my home state. I do not have any particular confidence that, even if the conservative party wins the upcoming election, that they will actually make any reforms to the infested bureaucracy. It will fight them all the way, and fight dirty, it would take a strong leader to even make a dent. I fear that the situation will get MUCH worse before (or even if) it gets better.
Same thing here in USA. I really do think we’re going to have have to have civil war. I think it’s almost inevitable.
@@alexbeer4705 It would appear that the algorithm doesn't want anyone else to see what you wrote, though I can still see it. I presume it would be due to you mentioning the C.W. scenario. I would tend to agree, things are pushing in that direction and there are no signs that people who are intent on an authoritarian system are willing to slow down, let alone reverse course back to a saner path.
@@Gumbatron01 come to a red state if you want an English speaking country, otherwise stay away from Europe and blue states
Sorry to hear you are in Victoria mate, I'm up in QLD.. No use moving up this way as Palachook is just as bad as chairman Dan.. both major parties are WEF aligned, so we need to look to the smaller parties to break this cycle.. good luck down there mate . Fingers crossed u guys kick out Dan and get someone you can work with
The left is nasty
this must be the best Conversation I haven't heard for a long time. I got some answers to stuff I have been wondering about for several years.
I belong to a working class family. By the time I get home, clean house, do laundry, cook, help children with homework, and then show them love,, I would never have time to protest. I love my life
Thank you very much for contributing meaningfully to my repertoire of conversational countermeasure.
That would be a good channel name btw
Countermeasures of that that shout's loudest from the frustrated making the norms frustrated 2 shout back amongst the the Chaos 😂🤍😂
Thank you JP. This was bar none the most cohesive discussion on the the subject of CRT, its origins, where it’s taking us and even why! Outstanding discourse...I learned a ton!
53:40 i am a version of what he explained here. a young man who quit drugs, only graduated high, never read a full book but managed to adhere to jordan petersons lessons and started to improve my life day by day . thank you mr. peterson!
"never read a full book "
Jesus Christ.
The free-flowing articulation of the subject at hand (by Christopher Rufo) is very impressive.
To grasp each of these subjects in their entirety (as opined by Jordan), even more so.
Mark minute 55 : Listening to Chris's dialogue about the privileged I'm struck with how important it is to be grateful. Genuine gratitude is what is needed.
The entire leftist Marxist edifice is based on hardcore honoring the sins of envy and pride.
If my brain was as clear as this fine gentleman, I would be in prison with Julian Assange. With such clarity comes great responsibility. Bless Julian. Bless all critical thinkers that stay grounded.
I am an anglo saxon colonialist living in new zealand....I am privileged....I am...and I should be...my family and ancestors gave me this...if you dont have a family and past like mine...well...they should have tried harder! I worked hard...have been honest and kind....thats what gets you ahead...not whinging about how sad your life is because...of choices. ,,,start now...build ypur family a legacy ....and then they will say...I am privileged too,,,,it takes commitment and always being the best you can be.
SIR, VERY GOOD FOR YOU. YOU MAKE SUCH A SIMPLY EXCELLENT POINT. "MUCH LOVE, RESPECT AND GOD BLESS. THE DEMON WE FACE IS NOT IMMORTAL."
Thank you! Articulate and clear. Best explanation ever at approx. 47 min point, to reason out a generation of child-adults.
great chat, I started showing these videos to my son, I have this fear of ideology gaslighting is everywhere. Your book is a daily inspiration to be protected from these crazy people. thank you
Thank you for introducing me to Christopher! Excellent interview with a great American. Thank you both for your works and educating WeThePeople!🇺🇸 Shared to TruthSocial.
Fabulous interview. It helped me understand and order some of the random thoughts and questions I had been having about the issues.
I feel totally blessed to be able to listen to intelligent conversation.
Thank you for such an enlightening conversation and debate. I enjoyed this and learned a bit as well.
I’m still not finished watching this but I feel compelled to say THANK YOU!!!!
To both of you
I worked from 14 to 25 then went to college. Got a masters and a professional license. Going in a bit older and having had worked most of my life I was inoculated against this shit. I learned, got good at my craft and left intact.
This is the most informative video I've seen this year. Being a TN resident also very uplifting.
Amazing conversation. I grew up in a working class home (left leaning) but as I age, I get more and more jaded with left wing politics.
This interview is just so beautifully done. Dr Jordan really might arguably be the best interviewer around now. The daily wire plus is also an added bonus and blends in quite nicely for anyone who would like to subscribe for more juicy helpings. This formula is most certainly a winner. 👏💯❤🥂
War Correspondent, Journalist, Author and Lecturer Chris Hedges long ago first sounded the alarm bell! 🔔❕"The Institutions being seized" is Chris's term! 🕊️❕
I'm just here to say THANK YOU!! for fighting for us men. I have always believed that men were awful, they suppressed, discriminated against, oppressed women and their potential. My teachers (male and female) told me: men (in the past) could become noble men, merchants, could vote, educate themselves and had more rights than women. I sometimes felt very bad.
When in actuality we didn't have many rights or opportunities as they proclaimed we had and that majority of men were farmers or something. Only a small % of men were actually rich. You opened my eyes.
Again: THANK YOU!! from all of US men!🙏🙏
A very fascinating conversation, some very good points have been made by Dr. Peterson about the dangers of censorship and Mr Rufo made good points about how we cannot Cede ground to the enemy. It's a complex question and i think taking government out of things like Hillsdale seems to be doing and charter schools are a big part of the answer.
@WHATSAPP㈩⓵⓺⓷⓵⓺⓪⓻⓷⓼⓻⓷ stop using the name of Dr Peterson for scamming people 🤬
@Dario Biagiotti unlink listening to Dr Peterson and Mr Rufo, this was NOT and intelligent conversation or remotely interesting in the least.
@@smoore6461 : Care to give any specifics? How, exactly, was the conversation unintelligent?
@@michaelpratt8904 not sure where the comment I replied to went but someone was going on about how "all conservatives" were banning free speech and blah blah blah, that was what I was saying was NOT Intelegent or interesting. I am not here for a conversation about conservatives and liberals. Someone's politics does not nessecarily mean they are or are not one thing or another. The conversation Mr ruffo and Dr Peterson were having only dealt with the "left" In the Marxist sense. Left and right are less and less relevant what matters to me is what you do and how you act. Not who you vote for.
@@smoore6461 I'd like to answer his complaint anyways, I've seen it come up too many times and is their default trademark being hypocrisy.
--This is a insincere argument. They are either for pulling Theology from schools or they're not. After years and years of pulling Bible's and American flags from schools you can't claim foul now.
This was a good convesration. It got me interested in watching JP talking to James Lindsay about the origin of CRT, to be frank. I know he was interviewd in this channel before, together with Peter Boghossian and Helen pluckrose, but it was about their grievance studies affair. There is more ground to cover now, and having Lindsay on his own would be great.
Thank you so much for this session! Bravo 👏👏👏