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I know you're not likely to get a lot of initial viewers on these videos, perhaps because the topic is considered a niche, but please know that real history lovers are deeply appreciative of the work and effort you put into this. I still recall searching for TH-cam content on the Thirty Years War a couple of years ago, and coming up way short. It's an especially underappreciated period in European history, probably also due to the fact that it's one of the least depicted eras in cinema. I suppose most fringe history fans point of interest tend to halt before the beginning of the 17th century, most of the time even earlier still. I should know, I've been there for most of my life. Only in my later years did I begin to appreciate the "pike and shot" era, especially the advent of "modern" fortifications and the major integration of firearms in military engagements. Anyway, what I really mean to say is... even though your videos covering this era may not be among your most popular, the time and thought you put into them is still immensely appreciated, by those of us who do watch them. Thank you!
Ah yes. The thirty years war... When You were born in Finland so You fight in a Swedish army, under the Scottish commander, against the Austrians, under Spanish commander, somewhere in Bohemia, because some clever guy in Germany decided, that the bread is not the Body of Christ...
It isn‘t Also the Cath/Prot divide was very much about crucial political issues, like the massive political influence of the Church and it‘s enormous land holdings which allowed the Church hierarchy to extract tremendous wealth from the country. Also, indirectly, the continuation of the Feudal legal system which was a massive toll on the peasantry and the urban classes alike. And the minor matter of the Habsburgs, who essentially dominated German (and European) politics but were not able to unite Germany or go with the times. Ultimately the ideas advanced by the protestants had to win out.
I know you're not likely to get a lot of initial viewers on these videos, perhaps because the topic is considered a niche, but please know that real history lovers are deeply appreciative of the work and effort you put into this. I still recall searching for TH-cam content on the Thirty Years War a couple of years ago, and coming up way short. It's an especially underappreciated period in European history, probably also due to the fact that it's one of the least depicted eras in cinema. I suppose most fringe history fans point of interest tend to halt before the beginning of the 17th century, most of the time even earlier still. I should know, I've been there for most of my life. Only in my later years did I begin to appreciate the "pike and shot" era, especially the advent of "modern" fortifications and the major integration of firearms in military engagements. Anyway, what I really mean to say is... even though your videos covering this era may not be among your most popular, the time and thought you put into them is still immensely appreciated, by those of us who do watch them. Thank you!
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"I was the king of Sweden." Badass to the end. Knows he's a goner, but also knows his worth and is never going to grovel. This is the kind of real-life stuff that novelists and script writers use to create epic moments.
It really seems like history TH-cam (and school textbooks) ignores a large portion of European history (and a very large portion of non-European history.) You have some Bronze Age, some Mesopotamian/ancient Egypt, the highlights of Greece (war with Persia, Peloponnesian War,) a LOT of Rome, a sprinkling of Charlemagne, skip to Viking Period, Battle of Hastings, jump to American Revolution, French Revolution/Napoleon, a bunch of the first 3 years of the American Civil War (stopping, interestingly enough, with Gettysburg, Vicksburg, and Chickamauga,) a bunch on WWI, a massive amount of WWII. It's frustrating, because there are a lot of things (like the 30 Years' War) that caused massive changes to Europe and the world, that aren't covered. Those time periods are important too, don't get me wrong, but it is nice to not be stuck in the same time periods rehashing the same events over and over.
Fun fact: there is an expression used in belgium and germany, (i am not sure about other countries), called "knowing your pappenheimers", which roughly means knowing who you are dealing with/knowing what you can do with them. This reffering to the trustworthyness of Pappenheim and his soldiers.
Please please finish this series. It seems to not get as many views as other vids, but I was binging this series and it deserves a continuation because it's so well made! I'd donate if I wasn't absolutely broke.. Could a nobleman donate for the cause tyvm
The fighting at that time was cruel, brutal and often mind-blowing. Grimmelshausen described such a fighting (battle of Wittstock in 1636). In 2007 a mass grave was found at this battleground containing the remains of 125 soldiers. Most of them had suffered several mortal wounds at the same time. This showed Grimmelshausen was right when he described soldiers in a frenzy mode performing a kind of overkill. They shot with their pistols, punched with their muskets, stabbed with their knifes and hacked with their sabers nearly simultaneously. It must have been a horrifying carnage. If you want to get a feeling about that kind of figthing then watch the spanish film "A la Triste". Their the fighting at the battle of Rocroi in 1643 in shown in a nearly realistic way.
The Battle of Lützen after the death of Gustavus is a good analogy for the state of the entire kingdom after his rule. The King was dead and there was ton of uncertainty and confusion but ultimately the reforms he had done to the military and the administration of the country outlasted him and there were people who could take over the fight.
Hello, I wanted to thank you for the push you have on the channel, having a spectacular historical precision and, combined with the historical content, your animations are a real icing on the cake. I wanted to suggest that the battle of Aljubarrota was brought to the channel, when approximately 7500 Portuguese defeated 30,000 Spanish; could also bring up the battle of diu, where 16 portuguese ships defeated 217 muslim war galleys. Big hug from Portugal 🇵🇹
One of my college German teachers was from the small town of Villingen. I guess one of its claims to fame was the fact that it was flooded by the Swedish during the Thirty Years War when they blew up a dam there. By the way, there is a form of rapier (a type of sword) called the Pappenheimer that's named after the Catholic general in this very battle! I actually like them, and I think they're one of the best looking rapier types!😁
@@slippysnek9507 Because I never did it when it was popular, I despised it as spam. But now when it is gone, I consider it a cultural artefact of Internet history that I must preserve, like an experimental archaeologist.
Just rewatched the full 30YW playlist in a fit of nostalgia. When can we expect more of this series?
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Amazing video, together with the one you did before about the sieges, in this one you also manage to give a sensation of total war, something that helps to understand how complicated and expensive this conflict was in just one year. What I liked was being able to observe several battles (being most of the ones you mention little known), which explain how disputed everything was in 1632, with victories and defeats equally on both sides, which ended up doing that the conflict would end up dragging on for many more years (something that after Breitenfeld seemed unlikely). The only thing similar to the year 1632 in the 30 Years War would be the Crisis of the year 1640, which was also a total madness full of uprisings and battles everywhere, which almost destroyed the Hispanic Monarchy. I want to correct you something, I don't know how outdated the Tercios system used by the Holy Roman Empire in Breitenfeld was so that the mutation to the Swedish system was so different (20:42), because in the Spanish case around the 1600s, later to adapt to Dutch tactics, the number of firearms increased considerably, being for the year 1632 a 60% of the 1000 men that a Tercio had for that time of the 30 Years War (All these data given by the historian Eduardo de Mesa Gallego according to the historical archives); If in such a case the Germans followed the updates of the Spanish, it should not have been very difficult to copy the Swedes, since they were almost equal in troop components, only differing in the way of fighting. This means that while a Swedish Brigade had approximately 864 pikemen and 636 or 654 musketeers (all divided in 3 or 4 batallions of 408 men, composed by 192 musketeers and 216 pikemen), a "Tercio" of these years had to have 350 pikemen, 450 arquebusiers and 200 musketeers (all divided in 5 companies of 200 men, composed by 70 pikemen, 90 arquebusiers and 40 musketeers). In any case, as proof of what I am saying, one only has to see how well the Spanish faced the Swedes in Nördlingen (1634), something only made possible by having a similar amount of firepower, only differentiated by the regimental guns that the Swedes still had the upper hand. Taking that into account, it seems to me that the reality of the formation of the 17th century Tercios, is very different from the squad that you show in the video (20:45), since it should have larger musketeer sleeves, unless the German imperialists used a composition of troops corresponding to military Ordinances of Tercios prior to those adopted in 1600. So, as I mentioned above according to the Spanish historians who have reviewed the sources of the historical archives, the formation in those times used by Spain had changed to something similar to what I put below (a) and that I seem to remember that they called "front of a thousand men", with 3 corps of arquebusiers divided into 200 behind (A²) and 75 on each side (A¹), while in the middle there were 350 pikemen forming a square (P) and 200 musketeers in front of the vanguard of pikemen (M); On the other hand, when wanting to shoot, the sleeves of the arquebusiers were advanced, forming two horns, since having a shorter distance than the muskets, they had to be advanced, leaving what is shown in (b): (a) A²A²A²A² A¹ P P P P P A¹ A¹ P P P P P A¹ A¹ P P P P P A¹ MMMMM (b) A²A²A²A² P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P A¹ MMMMM A¹ A¹ A¹ A¹ A¹
I think the thirty years war never was a total war. Even Sweden with the most modern state apparatus in Europe was far from unleashing all its societal potential in this war. Instead did peasants protest against higher taxes to pay for the war. And their anti-war feelings got support from the clergy. So the government had to resort to selling off state land and state property to get cash instead. The tragedy of this war was rather that armies wandered around in circles and devestated the same lands over and over and over again throughout 30 years. And that is what made devestation so totally enormous in some places in Germany. Also in Spain was it difficult to get taxes to pay for the wars. Tax increases just created blowback in Italy, and Portugal did declare independence. And the Monarchy was nearly ripped apart as you say.
I’m a massive fan of German history, and loving the series so far, and I’m left wondering whether there will be more episodes in the future. Are there new episodes in the works or has the project been abandoned?
@@clintmoor422in the grand scheme of things, it's a short timeline. About 1 to 2 hundred years isn't as long compared to multiple centuries long regimes like France, Britain, Russia, the Ottomans, and Spain. Sweden had a big impact nonetheless.
I wouldn't call such smallish population an Empire. Swedish Kingdom had roughly 1,5 million people in the year 1700. It was large, but sparsely populated. Or do you think that Sweden had those days lot of influence in the world? But it definitely was a regional power.
It was a way better idea to stick with the colors. The pay was nonexistent at times which is why robbing and looting was so rampant. I read way back that life expectancy was wayyy shorter as a German civilian in this war then in the armies. Foraging parties are getting peasant food at sword point, not much food left for cities...who are being sacked and wiped out regularly. SO where deserter gonna go...home to become a victim of maybe the army he left? Watch your women get raped, if they even left u alive to watch or .... be on the other side of that transaction.
@@WalterWhiteFootballSharing Read a letter written by an officer during the 30-years war. He tells of how some soldiers in his unit had been murdered by some cruel peasants, while out foraging.
There's a Finnish "The March of the Regiment of Pori" (Björneborgarnas marsch) that indicates to Thirty Years War in its lyrics. It has served as the honorary march of the Finnish Defence Forces since 1918. It is usually played as an instrumental version without lyrics. Nowdays those lyrics may sound a little bit bloody. "Sons of the brave people who on Poland's, Lützen's, Leipzig's and Narva's soil bled Still is Finland strong can cover the earth with persecutors' blood. Away, away is peaceful work left, already the sword hits against the fire and the bullet flies whining again, Join together, all, the ancient hero spirits welcome us.."...etc. The Battle of Leipzig (1631) means the same as the First Battle of Breitenfeld, the Battle of Lützen happened in 1632, and in the Battle of Narva Charles XII (Kaarle XII) defeated a Russian siege force three to four times its size in 1700. The death day of Gustav II Adolf (Kustaa II Aadolf) on 6 November 1632 is also the official Finnish Swedish Heritage Day (Svenska dagen / Ruotsalaisuuden päivä) since 1908 because the Finns and Swedes have a long common history.
When people wonder why kings stopped fighting personally in battles. Lützen is a good example why. In the age of gunpowder, it simply became too risky for the ruler to fight on the field.
A king that can't see (or do regular human stuff) historically lost the right to lead. Kings would sometimes literally blind their competition, such as brothers, back in Roman/Frankish times lol. So the wounded Gustav would say he WAS the king, indeed
I just finished a great video series on the war of the roses and now learning about the 30 years war it’s amazing how much more disciplined and cohesive armies had become in less then 200 years
Only if you live in a stable country. There are a lot of places where local warlords can gather an army, and fight against the official armies. We only consider them terrorists now, and refuse to redraw the map for them. But the terrorists do often consider themselves to be a state with an army, like the Islamic State.
I recently watched two videos about what will happened if one side won the Thirty Years' War decisively. And I dared to say that it is for the best that neither side won in the original timeline and the war ended with the Peace of Westphalia seemed to be the best option.
@SandRhomanHistory Is there an official name for those blocks that mappers use to represent units? I'd love to research them more and see the various systems for denoting information from them.
Our modern symbols include all sorts now, but the basics are all there and the nomenclature is still present in APP-6A. (Allied Procedural Publication 6), NATO Military Symbols for Land Based Systems. The saltire in rectangle for infantry is probably the most common.
The war is so devastating, yet it even didnt reach half-time yet! Lutzen was definitely a terrible, but unconcluysive battle, but it could have swung decisive win for either side If Pappenheim didnt receive the orders to ride with utmost haste to help Imperials, Gustavus would probably rolled over the flank and won decisive victory. All it would take would be one lost horseshoe, horse and messenger. Had the Imperials manage to break Swedish flank with Pappenheims fresh troops, it would be end of Swedish army. In the end, one thing that showed was Imperials were learning from Swedes and were no longer easily outmatched tactically with unvieldy lumbering tercios.
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You don't know anything about the Tercios if you think they were unvieldy lumbering, because you describe them as if they had remained unchanged since 1536 (year of the first ordinance that changed the Coronelias for the Tercios). The Tercios were first an organizational entity, since each company was autonomous and was the true combat unit, the second point is that they were never an immobile formation of pikes, because the companies had different combat configurations that adapted to the situation of the moment. Proof of how flexible the companies of the Tercios were can be seen in battles such as Jemmingen in 1568, the amphibious operations carried out in Zeeland to take Zierikzee between 1575 and 1576, as well as battles such as Nördlingen in 1634, Honnecourt in 1642 and Valenciennes in 1656, to give some examples. The Tercios evolved throughout the 16th and 17th centuries, for example: the Ordinance of 1536 said that each Tercio was made up of several companies of 300 men, of which there were several pikemen and some arquebusiers or shotgunners ( that is, more than half of the 300 were pikemen and only a few arquebusiers); In 1560 the tercio was reduced to 3,000 men, divided by 10 companies of 300 men, of these 2 companies were exclusively arquebusiers (that is, 300 arquebusiers in each of the 2 companies), while the rest mixed pikemen in a greater proportion with groups of arquebusiers (that is, for each of Those 8 companies there were 150 corselettes, 50 arquebusiers and 100 light pikes), giving a total result of 1200 corset pikemen, 1000 arquebusiers and 800 light pikemen. With the Duke of Alba, the tercios that left to fight in 1567 in the Netherlands were reorganized, adding the musketeers to the equation, which ended with 15 musketeers for each of the 10 companies, giving a total of 150 musketeers in each Tercio, with 850 arquebusiers and 2000 pikemen; while in the Ordinances of 1598 the companies were reduced to 250 men, increasing from 10 to 12 companies, each with 130 corselets, 100 arquebusiers and 20 musketeers, being adopted in 1598 a ratio of pikes and firearms similar to what the English saw as acceptable in the middle of the Civil War a century later, that is, 1 and 1.2 between pikes and firearms (Spain was ahead in military organization). By the beginning of the 17th century, the tercios were reduced to 1,500 men with 15 companies made up of 100 soldiers, of which only 40% were pikemen, a proportion almost similar to that of the other armies of the time.
3:29 Even into the mid 20th century my mothers village in the Steigerwald in Franconia hated the Swedes for what they did long ago in 1631. It had been passed on along the generations to the descendants. Possibly taught in the local schools in the Steigerwald for centuries. This area historically fas been a Catholic enclave for centuries. Over 300+ years of disdain the regional motto was: Swedes were bad. Just a local tale of the small skirmishes that probably occurred many times. The Steigerwald had a scar, from a fleeting memory of what Lennart Torstensson, Count of Ortala, Baron of Virestad did by destroying the main castle complex and neighboring towns near Zettmannsdorf. Actually fog obscured the larger village Zettmannsdorf (then known as Scitemulesdorf) and the Swedish army marched to the next two smaller towns i the valley at Luibrichsdorf and Lindach, destroying them so bad that the fields in the area were known as a desert. Possibly the fields were salted or ruined by some form of sabotage.
The Battle of Lützen is infamous in Sweden. Which is ironic since our goverment actually is considerably shit at teaching history. Most don't even know about the 30 years war and what impact it had on Europe Let alone, what wars were fought or why they were fought. Never the less, the Battle of Lützen is still one of the few battles that are mentioned in history classes for it's heroics. Yet no one knows why the King was in Germany to begin with lmao.
IMO the battle of Lutzen is waste of skins for Both Sides Whats the point is wintering massive 250,000 expensive soldiers... Then Al most half of them deserted even before the battle started
love this serries, damn these were the times. these did not deserve the declinging nubers . its one of your best. is there any cahnce there will be a conclusion? you forced me to read it, please let me watch it.
The more history I learn the more I'm convinced that there is only one war. The combatants drift in and out, territory changes hands, nations rise and fall, but the war is forever. The best we get are temporary respites. I bet I could trace a (meandering) line between the conflicts of the modern day and this one, and back and back all the way to Alexander and before. It's like they say, "war never changes".
Many swedes were peasants from richly forested places, often retaining myths with roots in the distant pagan passed. In some places north like Dalarna and Hälsingland, people still used runes for short messages, or to put their owner mark on houses or objects. The children could hear the adults talk about Thor, who´s hammer could be heard in the storm´s thunder, or in skies of windy rainclouds you sometimes could see Odin and hi´s army of dead warriors galloping in the air.. So ackording a source, the Smålandic soldiers saw somebody that was probably a scout from the imperial side at Lutzen with a patch over one eye and a wide hat. The exited soldier who was convinced that Odin or Wotan had followed them from hi´s homecounty, and immediately spread the good news that they couldn´t loose, not only God, but also Odin was on their side..! Many were flogged for telling ungodly stories, but the news were hard to stop....
This is simply not true. Sweden specifically Småland was very Christian at this point in time. Sweden had been Christian for over 600 years at this point. You are just making shit up because "vikings cool". We are today probably more believing in Odin today than they were in the 1600s. Mainly through popular media. Just cut the shit
I believe Wallenstein would have probably won if he hadn't been erroneouly told more Protestant infantry was on it's way, and instead of leaving for Leipzig launched a counterattack against the exhausted Swedish lines with the fresh Pappenheim infantry reinforcements that had just begun to arrive.
Doubtful at best. Night engagements were not favoured at the time, for many good reasons, unless they could be fought absolutely set-piece and at an advantage, which at the tail end of Lützen battle - with probably nobody on the field having a clear idea of who was where and at what strength - would not have been the case at all; the one trump card of the reinforcements - their freshness - would have been kinda wasted in such an attempt, which could have gone either way.
@@Stripedbottom Besides, it would be an unnecessary risk. Wallesntein already managed to engage the Swedish in, for them, an unfavourable battle, causing serious casualties and killing their king (which he probably didn´t know). Under such conditions, he won in a way.
It was a victory over a superior foe, and Sweden achieved all its geopolitical goals. An unified Germany was avoided, a Habsburg/Polish invasion of Sweden was avoided, and the survival of the protestantic faith was secured. And as a bonus did Sweden get a strategically important bridgehead in northern Germany for future military operations against Germany, Denmark or Poland. It also forced the Austrian emperor to agree to giving all German states religious freedom and not interfere inside how other states were runned internally. And Sweden also gained a huge sum of money for war reparations it could use for paying of its war debts. In the end was it Germany who paid for this war. Sadly I might add, the Austrians should just have thrown in the towel 10 years earlier and much death and devestation could have been avoided. The Habsburgs overall have had a negative impact on European history.
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I know you're not likely to get a lot of initial viewers on these videos, perhaps because the topic is considered a niche, but please know that real history lovers are deeply appreciative of the work and effort you put into this. I still recall searching for TH-cam content on the Thirty Years War a couple of years ago, and coming up way short. It's an especially underappreciated period in European history, probably also due to the fact that it's one of the least depicted eras in cinema. I suppose most fringe history fans point of interest tend to halt before the beginning of the 17th century, most of the time even earlier still. I should know, I've been there for most of my life. Only in my later years did I begin to appreciate the "pike and shot" era, especially the advent of "modern" fortifications and the major integration of firearms in military engagements. Anyway, what I really mean to say is... even though your videos covering this era may not be among your most popular, the time and thought you put into them is still immensely appreciated, by those of us who do watch them. Thank you!
@@MasterFatness I love imagining what he says in real life. And his graphics help this alot. Honestly, if I ever teach history, I project this.
Why this series stops?
I just watched the store & there is no product at all. Are you still around?
Ah yes. The thirty years war... When You were born in Finland so You fight in a Swedish army, under the Scottish commander, against the Austrians, under Spanish commander, somewhere in Bohemia, because some clever guy in Germany decided, that the bread is not the Body of Christ...
Better reasons to fight than the ones politicians argue nowadays
A wonderful description!
It isn‘t
Also the Cath/Prot divide was very much about crucial political issues, like the massive political influence of the Church and it‘s enormous land holdings which allowed the Church hierarchy to extract tremendous wealth from the country. Also, indirectly, the continuation of the Feudal legal system which was a massive toll on the peasantry and the urban classes alike.
And the minor matter of the Habsburgs, who essentially dominated German (and European) politics but were not able to unite Germany or go with the times. Ultimately the ideas advanced by the protestants had to win out.
My life for bread,
I would give freely.
Its no disaster to lose my head,
Just don't give me the heely 😅
For Bohemian civilian population this was the worst war ever.
I know you're not likely to get a lot of initial viewers on these videos, perhaps because the topic is considered a niche, but please know that real history lovers are deeply appreciative of the work and effort you put into this. I still recall searching for TH-cam content on the Thirty Years War a couple of years ago, and coming up way short. It's an especially underappreciated period in European history, probably also due to the fact that it's one of the least depicted eras in cinema. I suppose most fringe history fans point of interest tend to halt before the beginning of the 17th century, most of the time even earlier still. I should know, I've been there for most of my life. Only in my later years did I begin to appreciate the "pike and shot" era, especially the advent of "modern" fortifications and the major integration of firearms in military engagements. Anyway, what I really mean to say is... even though your videos covering this era may not be among your most popular, the time and thought you put into them is still immensely appreciated, by those of us who do watch them. Thank you!
Ferdinand II: "..."
Wallenstein: "You couldn't live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me."
This is no longer a good morning. This, this is a great morning.
And a good afternoon to you too
Hope you enjoyed it!
One might even say a “Staggering" morning
This series on the 30 year war was the final push I needed to join on Patreon. Excellent documentary quality that I have no quarms paying for.
Hey, thank you so much! We appreciate it a lot! Thanks for commenting as well.
Love from Greece 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷Congratulations and support. Due to endless Greek history we have never been taught about that period of European history in school. Thus your efforts are very educating for me. Thank you 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
"I was the king of Sweden." Badass to the end. Knows he's a goner, but also knows his worth and is never going to grovel. This is the kind of real-life stuff that novelists and script writers use to create epic moments.
I love the fact you guys cover this time period of European history. I don't feel like history before the Napoleonic wars is cover well enough.
It really seems like history TH-cam (and school textbooks) ignores a large portion of European history (and a very large portion of non-European history.) You have some Bronze Age, some Mesopotamian/ancient Egypt, the highlights of Greece (war with Persia, Peloponnesian War,) a LOT of Rome, a sprinkling of Charlemagne, skip to Viking Period, Battle of Hastings, jump to American Revolution, French Revolution/Napoleon, a bunch of the first 3 years of the American Civil War (stopping, interestingly enough, with Gettysburg, Vicksburg, and Chickamauga,) a bunch on WWI, a massive amount of WWII.
It's frustrating, because there are a lot of things (like the 30 Years' War) that caused massive changes to Europe and the world, that aren't covered. Those time periods are important too, don't get me wrong, but it is nice to not be stuck in the same time periods rehashing the same events over and over.
Please continue this series
Fun fact: there is an expression used in belgium and germany, (i am not sure about other countries), called "knowing your pappenheimers", which roughly means knowing who you are dealing with/knowing what you can do with them. This reffering to the trustworthyness of Pappenheim and his soldiers.
Please finish the series! It's very good
Please please finish this series. It seems to not get as many views as other vids, but I was binging this series and it deserves a continuation because it's so well made!
I'd donate if I wasn't absolutely broke.. Could a nobleman donate for the cause tyvm
yes please, finish the series! bring the war to an end!
It can’t take you 30 years, please🙏🏻
The fighting at that time was cruel, brutal and often mind-blowing. Grimmelshausen described such a fighting (battle of Wittstock in 1636). In 2007 a mass grave was found at this battleground containing the remains of 125 soldiers. Most of them had suffered several mortal wounds at the same time. This showed Grimmelshausen was right when he described soldiers in a frenzy mode performing a kind of overkill. They shot with their pistols, punched with their muskets, stabbed with their knifes and hacked with their sabers nearly simultaneously. It must have been a horrifying carnage. If you want to get a feeling about that kind of figthing then watch the spanish film "A la Triste". Their the fighting at the battle of Rocroi in 1643 in shown in a nearly realistic way.
*Alatriste
The Battle of Lützen after the death of Gustavus is a good analogy for the state of the entire kingdom after his rule. The King was dead and there was ton of uncertainty and confusion but ultimately the reforms he had done to the military and the administration of the country outlasted him and there were people who could take over the fight.
This series about the thirty year war is the best i've seen on youtube, they deserve more views than they are getting.
Hello, I wanted to thank you for the push you have on the channel, having a spectacular historical precision and, combined with the historical content, your animations are a real icing on the cake. I wanted to suggest that the battle of Aljubarrota was brought to the channel, when approximately 7500 Portuguese defeated 30,000 Spanish; could also bring up the battle of diu, where 16 portuguese ships defeated 217 muslim war galleys.
Big hug from Portugal 🇵🇹
Please continue this series. It is truly great and the BEST videos in this topic by far. Love the channel, you guys are amazing.
One of my college German teachers was from the small town of Villingen. I guess one of its claims to fame was the fact that it was flooded by the Swedish during the Thirty Years War when they blew up a dam there.
By the way, there is a form of rapier (a type of sword) called the Pappenheimer that's named after the Catholic general in this very battle! I actually like them, and I think they're one of the best looking rapier types!😁
Damn. Pumping out great video recently. i just watched "7 great sieges", now I can continue with this one! Perfect thanks!
loved the series, would like to see more! its great
Mustn't write "first", must resist the temptation. This is no longer 2010, yet what once was ingrained is hard to remove...
Mustn’t write “musn’t” because that isn’t a word
why are you like this
@@slippysnek9507 Because I never did it when it was popular, I despised it as spam. But now when it is gone, I consider it a cultural artefact of Internet history that I must preserve, like an experimental archaeologist.
Just rewatched the full 30YW playlist in a fit of nostalgia.
When can we expect more of this series?
Amazing video, together with the one you did before about the sieges, in this one you also manage to give a sensation of total war, something that helps to understand how complicated and expensive this conflict was in just one year. What I liked was being able to observe several battles (being most of the ones you mention little known), which explain how disputed everything was in 1632, with victories and defeats equally on both sides, which ended up doing that the conflict would end up dragging on for many more years (something that after Breitenfeld seemed unlikely). The only thing similar to the year 1632 in the 30 Years War would be the Crisis of the year 1640, which was also a total madness full of uprisings and battles everywhere, which almost destroyed the Hispanic Monarchy.
I want to correct you something, I don't know how outdated the Tercios system used by the Holy Roman Empire in Breitenfeld was so that the mutation to the Swedish system was so different (20:42), because in the Spanish case around the 1600s, later to adapt to Dutch tactics, the number of firearms increased considerably, being for the year 1632 a 60% of the 1000 men that a Tercio had for that time of the 30 Years War (All these data given by the historian Eduardo de Mesa Gallego according to the historical archives); If in such a case the Germans followed the updates of the Spanish, it should not have been very difficult to copy the Swedes, since they were almost equal in troop components, only differing in the way of fighting. This means that while a Swedish Brigade had approximately 864 pikemen and 636 or 654 musketeers (all divided in 3 or 4 batallions of 408 men, composed by 192 musketeers and 216 pikemen), a "Tercio" of these years had to have 350 pikemen, 450 arquebusiers and 200 musketeers (all divided in 5 companies of 200 men, composed by 70 pikemen, 90 arquebusiers and 40 musketeers). In any case, as proof of what I am saying, one only has to see how well the Spanish faced the Swedes in Nördlingen (1634), something only made possible by having a similar amount of firepower, only differentiated by the regimental guns that the Swedes still had the upper hand.
Taking that into account, it seems to me that the reality of the formation of the 17th century Tercios, is very different from the squad that you show in the video (20:45), since it should have larger musketeer sleeves, unless the German imperialists used a composition of troops corresponding to military Ordinances of Tercios prior to those adopted in 1600. So, as I mentioned above according to the Spanish historians who have reviewed the sources of the historical archives, the formation in those times used by Spain had changed to something similar to what I put below (a) and that I seem to remember that they called "front of a thousand men", with 3 corps of arquebusiers divided into 200 behind (A²) and 75 on each side (A¹), while in the middle there were 350 pikemen forming a square (P) and 200 musketeers in front of the vanguard of pikemen (M); On the other hand, when wanting to shoot, the sleeves of the arquebusiers were advanced, forming two horns, since having a shorter distance than the muskets, they had to be advanced, leaving what is shown in (b):
(a)
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A¹ P P P P P A¹
A¹ P P P P P A¹
A¹ P P P P P A¹
MMMMM
(b)
A²A²A²A²
P P P P P
P P P P P
P P P P P
A¹ MMMMM A¹
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I think the thirty years war never was a total war. Even Sweden with the most modern state apparatus in Europe was far from unleashing all its societal potential in this war. Instead did peasants protest against higher taxes to pay for the war. And their anti-war feelings got support from the clergy. So the government had to resort to selling off state land and state property to get cash instead.
The tragedy of this war was rather that armies wandered around in circles and devestated the same lands over and over and over again throughout 30 years. And that is what made devestation so totally enormous in some places in Germany.
Also in Spain was it difficult to get taxes to pay for the wars. Tax increases just created blowback in Italy, and Portugal did declare independence. And the Monarchy was nearly ripped apart as you say.
Amazing work as always, I've been looking forward for this timeline of the 30 years war!
Amazing information. Great video showing the back and fro of territory and houses.
Hey, thanks! And thanks for commenting!
I’m a massive fan of German history, and loving the series so far, and I’m left wondering whether there will be more episodes in the future. Are there new episodes in the works or has the project been abandoned?
Incredible quality as usual. Thank you. This channel never disappoints. Much appreciated.
Great video as always
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the comment!
Sweden's empire seems so short lived, but had a big impact on Europe.
it was not short. until 1720s.
@@clintmoor422 Less than 100 years is short-lived, for an empire.
@@clintmoor422in the grand scheme of things, it's a short timeline. About 1 to 2 hundred years isn't as long compared to multiple centuries long regimes like France, Britain, Russia, the Ottomans, and Spain. Sweden had a big impact nonetheless.
I wouldn't call such smallish population an Empire. Swedish Kingdom had roughly 1,5 million people in the year 1700. It was large, but sparsely populated. Or do you think that Sweden had those days lot of influence in the world? But it definitely was a regional power.
How would a nation with a nere 1.5m survive a single battle then? Considering how the regular casualties count were 5000 and above @ericv.1420
Foreigners having a skewed perception of our wealth is a time-honored tradition of Germany.
Is there a continuation to this series? I cannot find the next parts
German Mercenaries at this point in the war: I can just leave, holy shit did you know we can just leave?
It was a way better idea to stick with the colors. The pay was nonexistent at times which is why robbing and looting was so rampant. I read way back that life expectancy was wayyy shorter as a German civilian in this war then in the armies. Foraging parties are getting peasant food at sword point, not much food left for cities...who are being sacked and wiped out regularly. SO where deserter gonna go...home to become a victim of maybe the army he left? Watch your women get raped, if they even left u alive to watch or .... be on the other side of that transaction.
@@WalterWhiteFootballSharing Read a letter written by an officer during the 30-years war. He tells of how some soldiers in his unit had been murdered by some cruel peasants, while out foraging.
Thank you both for the new video!
Our pleasure!
Amazing video as always!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The best video, because here is mainly a video animated map, not pictures and excerpts with animated pictures.
Thank you for this video and all of your other videos!
It is really interesting to watch. Many things became clear due to your visual presentation
Another banger video. RIP to the lion in the north
Please a video of the siege of castelnouvo and the janisaries.
Kings and Generals I have done it in the past, if I remember correctly
good video man
Appreciate it!
There's a Finnish "The March of the Regiment of Pori" (Björneborgarnas marsch) that indicates to Thirty Years War in its lyrics. It has served as the honorary march of the Finnish Defence Forces since 1918. It is usually played as an instrumental version without lyrics. Nowdays those lyrics may sound a little bit bloody.
"Sons of the brave people
who on Poland's, Lützen's, Leipzig's
and Narva's soil bled
Still is Finland strong
can cover the earth with persecutors' blood.
Away, away is peaceful work left,
already the sword hits against the fire
and the bullet flies whining again,
Join together, all,
the ancient hero spirits welcome us.."...etc.
The Battle of Leipzig (1631) means the same as the First Battle of Breitenfeld, the Battle of Lützen happened in 1632, and in the Battle of Narva Charles XII (Kaarle XII) defeated a Russian siege force three to four times its size in 1700.
The death day of Gustav II Adolf (Kustaa II Aadolf) on 6 November 1632 is also the official Finnish Swedish Heritage Day (Svenska dagen / Ruotsalaisuuden päivä) since 1908 because the Finns and Swedes have a long common history.
Watching this at like 540 am before work thank ya'll for these fantastic and interesting videos
I love Your channel. I'm really glad someone covers my favorite war with such quality.
Awesome channel, thanks for great videos
Thanks for watching!
When people wonder why kings stopped fighting personally in battles. Lützen is a good example why. In the age of gunpowder, it simply became too risky for the ruler to fight on the field.
dam bro I got goosebumps by hearing that last quote from King Gustavus Adolphus, shit that hit hard lol
A king that can't see (or do regular human stuff) historically lost the right to lead. Kings would sometimes literally blind their competition, such as brothers, back in Roman/Frankish times lol. So the wounded Gustav would say he WAS the king, indeed
Will the next episode be about the death of Wallenstein and the Battle of Nordlingen, and then the remaining episodes will be the French phase?
maybe nördlingen + beginning of the french phase. not sure yet!
Dude, no spoilers!
this was great i love history stuff like this to listen to in the backround.
Another great video!
thank you for giving me a plethora of videos to binge watch at work
Danke!
Is this the last episode? I mean, we are still waiting on France, you know?
I just finished a great video series on the war of the roses and now learning about the 30 years war it’s amazing how much more disciplined and cohesive armies had become in less then 200 years
Only if you live in a stable country.
There are a lot of places where local warlords can gather an army, and fight against the official armies. We only consider them terrorists now, and refuse to redraw the map for them.
But the terrorists do often consider themselves to be a state with an army, like the Islamic State.
will you post the other parts ?
love this video
We're happy you like it. Cheers!
Great videos over 30YW, thanks. Are you planing to do the 80YW, French Religion wars or the Italian Wars?
lol, i could locate (more or less) my house in bamberg, bc its on one of the major roads
Never enough of this stuff I have. For quality of bread is important for body and mind alike.
I recently watched two videos about what will happened if one side won the Thirty Years' War decisively. And I dared to say that it is for the best that neither side won in the original timeline and the war ended with the Peace of Westphalia seemed to be the best option.
Thirty Years war is pretty interesting
Lutzen is almost poetic. Even after theyre kings death the army would use eveything he taught to achieve victory.
@SandRhomanHistory Is there an official name for those blocks that mappers use to represent units? I'd love to research them more and see the various systems for denoting information from them.
Our modern symbols include all sorts now, but the basics are all there and the nomenclature is still present in APP-6A. (Allied Procedural Publication 6), NATO Military Symbols for Land Based Systems.
The saltire in rectangle for infantry is probably the most common.
Idk if true but heard the x in the square forinfantry represents the belts they used to wear on their chest
The king's warhorse Streiff can be seen at a museum in Stockholm's royal palace.
Great video! Please more
Thanks for including Kladsko (Glatz) in the Kingdom of Bohemia on the map.
The sweets 😭 the sweet retreated 😭, the sweets attacked😭
Incredible.
Great f-king work, man!
The war is so devastating, yet it even didnt reach half-time yet!
Lutzen was definitely a terrible, but unconcluysive battle, but it could have swung decisive win for either side
If Pappenheim didnt receive the orders to ride with utmost haste to help Imperials, Gustavus would probably rolled over the flank and won decisive victory. All it would take would be one lost horseshoe, horse and messenger.
Had the Imperials manage to break Swedish flank with Pappenheims fresh troops, it would be end of Swedish army.
In the end, one thing that showed was Imperials were learning from Swedes and were no longer easily outmatched tactically with unvieldy lumbering tercios.
You don't know anything about the Tercios if you think they were unvieldy lumbering, because you describe them as if they had remained unchanged since 1536 (year of the first ordinance that changed the Coronelias for the Tercios). The Tercios were first an organizational entity, since each company was autonomous and was the true combat unit, the second point is that they were never an immobile formation of pikes, because the companies had different combat configurations that adapted to the situation of the moment. Proof of how flexible the companies of the Tercios were can be seen in battles such as Jemmingen in 1568, the amphibious operations carried out in Zeeland to take Zierikzee between 1575 and 1576, as well as battles such as Nördlingen in 1634, Honnecourt in 1642 and Valenciennes in 1656, to give some examples.
The Tercios evolved throughout the 16th and 17th centuries, for example: the Ordinance of 1536 said that each Tercio was made up of several companies of 300 men, of which there were several pikemen and some arquebusiers or shotgunners ( that is, more than half of the 300 were pikemen and only a few arquebusiers); In 1560 the tercio was reduced to 3,000 men, divided by 10 companies of 300 men, of these 2 companies were exclusively arquebusiers (that is, 300 arquebusiers in each of the 2 companies), while the rest mixed pikemen in a greater proportion with groups of arquebusiers (that is, for each of Those 8 companies there were 150 corselettes, 50 arquebusiers and 100 light pikes), giving a total result of 1200 corset pikemen, 1000 arquebusiers and 800 light pikemen. With the Duke of Alba, the tercios that left to fight in 1567 in the Netherlands were reorganized, adding the musketeers to the equation, which ended with 15 musketeers for each of the 10 companies, giving a total of 150 musketeers in each Tercio, with 850 arquebusiers and 2000 pikemen; while in the Ordinances of 1598 the companies were reduced to 250 men, increasing from 10 to 12 companies, each with 130 corselets, 100 arquebusiers and 20 musketeers, being adopted in 1598 a ratio of pikes and firearms similar to what the English saw as acceptable in the middle of the Civil War a century later, that is, 1 and 1.2 between pikes and firearms (Spain was ahead in military organization). By the beginning of the 17th century, the tercios were reduced to 1,500 men with 15 companies made up of 100 soldiers, of which only 40% were pikemen, a proportion almost similar to that of the other armies of the time.
Eric Flint's alternative history science fiction stories introduced me to many of these people and places. The real thing is also pretty cool!
3:29 Even into the mid 20th century my mothers village in the Steigerwald in Franconia hated the Swedes for what they did long ago in 1631. It had been passed on along the generations to the descendants. Possibly taught in the local schools in the Steigerwald for centuries. This area historically fas been a Catholic enclave for centuries.
Over 300+ years of disdain the regional motto was: Swedes were bad.
Just a local tale of the small skirmishes that probably occurred many times.
The Steigerwald had a scar, from a fleeting memory of what Lennart Torstensson, Count of Ortala, Baron of Virestad did by destroying the main castle complex and neighboring towns near Zettmannsdorf. Actually fog obscured the larger village Zettmannsdorf (then known as Scitemulesdorf) and the Swedish army marched to the next two smaller towns i the valley at Luibrichsdorf and Lindach, destroying them so bad that the fields in the area were known as a desert. Possibly the fields were salted or ruined by some form of sabotage.
These stories should be compiled somewhere!
Where do you get those hats?
The Battle of Lützen is infamous in Sweden. Which is ironic since our goverment actually is considerably shit at teaching history. Most don't even know about the 30 years war and what impact it had on Europe Let alone, what wars were fought or why they were fought. Never the less, the Battle of Lützen is still one of the few battles that are mentioned in history classes for it's heroics. Yet no one knows why the King was in Germany to begin with lmao.
IMO the battle of Lutzen is waste of skins for Both Sides
Whats the point is wintering massive 250,000 expensive soldiers... Then Al most half of them deserted even before the battle started
@@arielquelme You had to have been there to understand the desperation the soldiers had to have been going through.
This is a really greatb channel
I really love your videos
It's amazing how fast armies moved back then
32:42 can’t imagine the pain guilt and disbelief all the men felt.
love this serries, damn these were the times. these did not deserve the declinging nubers . its one of your best. is there any cahnce there will be a conclusion? you forced me to read it, please let me watch it.
love the details in the lions final battle
I thought this was a video about the book series for a moment
Pappenheim goes hard af fr fr
+1 Your spelling of the german names is excellent
Subscribed immediately
Very cool 😎
What do you use to make the top down Siege map
Whene kings were kings 🦁🇸🇪
Shame about Gustavus Adolphus. Things would've been so much different had he not been killed in that last battle.
And war would continue over and over again
well it's 30 years right?
@@clintmoor422 yup
The more history I learn the more I'm convinced that there is only one war. The combatants drift in and out, territory changes hands, nations rise and fall, but the war is forever. The best we get are temporary respites. I bet I could trace a (meandering) line between the conflicts of the modern day and this one, and back and back all the way to Alexander and before. It's like they say, "war never changes".
@@Russo-Delenda-Est not sure if that is an accurate statement. seems weird to draw parallels to today from over 400 years ago.
The lion of the north
Many swedes were peasants from richly forested places, often retaining myths with roots in the distant pagan passed. In some places north like Dalarna and Hälsingland, people still used runes for short messages, or to put their owner mark on houses or objects. The children could hear the adults talk about Thor, who´s hammer could be heard in the storm´s thunder, or in skies of windy rainclouds you sometimes could see Odin and hi´s army of dead warriors galloping in the air.. So ackording a source, the Smålandic soldiers saw somebody that was probably a scout from the imperial side at Lutzen with a patch over one eye and a wide hat. The exited soldier who was convinced that Odin or Wotan had followed them from hi´s homecounty, and immediately spread the good news that they couldn´t loose, not only God, but also Odin was on their side..! Many were flogged for telling ungodly stories, but the news were hard to stop....
This is simply not true. Sweden specifically Småland was very Christian at this point in time. Sweden had been Christian for over 600 years at this point. You are just making shit up because "vikings cool". We are today probably more believing in Odin today than they were in the 1600s. Mainly through popular media. Just cut the shit
Well? Aren't you going to continue this series?
How did the romans advance so wide into saxony?
didnt the old blue brigade also suffered a lot from the imperial cavalry fire ?
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I believe Wallenstein would have probably won if he hadn't been erroneouly told more Protestant infantry was on it's way, and instead of leaving for Leipzig launched a counterattack against the exhausted Swedish lines with the fresh Pappenheim infantry reinforcements that had just begun to arrive.
Doubtful at best. Night engagements were not favoured at the time, for many good reasons, unless they could be fought absolutely set-piece and at an advantage, which at the tail end of Lützen battle - with probably nobody on the field having a clear idea of who was where and at what strength - would not have been the case at all; the one trump card of the reinforcements - their freshness - would have been kinda wasted in such an attempt, which could have gone either way.
@@Stripedbottom Besides, it would be an unnecessary risk. Wallesntein already managed to engage the Swedish in, for them, an unfavourable battle, causing serious casualties and killing their king (which he probably didn´t know). Under such conditions, he won in a way.
A Pyrrhic Swedish victory.
you spoiled
It was a victory over a superior foe, and Sweden achieved all its geopolitical goals. An unified Germany was avoided, a Habsburg/Polish invasion of Sweden was avoided, and the survival of the protestantic faith was secured.
And as a bonus did Sweden get a strategically important bridgehead in northern Germany for future military operations against Germany, Denmark or Poland. It also forced the Austrian emperor to agree to giving all German states religious freedom and not interfere inside how other states were runned internally.
And Sweden also gained a huge sum of money for war reparations it could use for paying of its war debts.
In the end was it Germany who paid for this war. Sadly I might add, the Austrians should just have thrown in the towel 10 years earlier and much death and devestation could have been avoided. The Habsburgs overall have had a negative impact on European history.
God bless
How much did Peter Wilson pay you?
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