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The North Entrance, Western Heights Dover (Historic Document)
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Iv been working on this documentary for months, filmed last year inside the North Entrance of the Western Heights Dover.
The external footage was filmed a couple of weeks back All done now.
A Historic Document into the history of the North Entrance in Dover.
We look into the old history and new, and what happened in 1967, the destruction of 19th century fortifications.
All information narrated has been found in John Peverley book, Dover's Hidden Fortress.
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As a kid in the 1950's I used to explore all these tunnels which were open then and lots more besides the ones that you have visited especially between the eastern heights and St Margret's bay lots of these tunnels were sealed when the 60's atomic shelters where built under the castle as they used to interconnect and run at a lot of different levels between top and bottom of the cliffs. Still carry the scars on one leg when I fell through a rotten wooden floor over one of the counter balance weight pits for some of the underground draw bridges which meant a trip to the A & E in the old Victoria Hospital. The traffic lights to enter the tunnel had just a red and green light signalling stop or go operated by those rubber pads which I think we're installed during WW2 period.
+Ron Roper wow great stuff :) the drawbridge counter weights, yeah Iv fell down one before not as bad as your fall though :) thanks for watching , some amazing info:)
I did too in the late 50s and early 60s and remember the counterweights. It was easy to get in back in those days!
Ron Roper I enjoyed this vlog a lot . In the states we have not any ruins to compare to yours. You are bless to live in a location we’re there is so many historical locations. Being a historian with MS I watch your vlogs regularly. Keep up the fine work.
Glad to see other people have been got by those bloody pits, I wonder how many shins and chins they have claimed over the years? Growing up on the Aycliffe estate in the 70's was great fun, the Western heights was our playground and many a bloody trip to the Buckland A+E was had as the Victoria had shut down it's A+E by then.
Wow, I bet it was amazing back then to explore the western heights.
Fascinating and breathtaking piece of haunting documentation. I've been watching you a short while and have binge watched quite a few of your exploring. Every video is fantastic and fascinates me beyond compare.
yet another missed opportunity and bad decision by Dover District Council who continue to allow Dover's historical treasures to disintegrate!
+sapper steve yeah the destruction of the western heights in the late 50 and 60s was a crime! so upsetting! many thanks for the comment :)
How is it Dover's fault? Home Office, surely.
I used to walk from Aycliffe up to the 5 a side centre in the early 60s that was at the end of the "Black Road". Not far up the road was HM Borstal. All along the Western Heights were "Pill Boxes" built during WW2. We used to explore everything up there . . . . memories come flooding back .
Did you ever see the western outworks before they were filled in?
@@debbiestead I'm assuming you mean the moats? But anyway, back then everything was open and accessible. I recall they did brick up some entrances to the tunnels but some "explorers", for want of a better term, soon knocked some holes in them. There were trees etc growing in the moats but you could walk through easily. Unfortunately I was too young to think about taking photographs to record it all. Still very vivid memories though.
I've been watching your videos and I really agree with you on what you said here. I find all these constructions way more impressive, strong and reliable than the ones today. Even more, the fact that they didn't have today's technology and still could build this. Congratulations on your channel.
+Fernando MCC many thanks for your support :)
tomb raider game soundtrack :)
I used to cross that bridge every day to go to school in dover...
Excellent video .Western Heights is a favourite of mine . Just love clambering round in there !! You guys make your videos all so interesting and informative . I'm looking forward to the next one !
many thanks :)
Brilliant stuff!...much appreciated, would be great to see some restoration of such a magnificent slice of history, love your videos and take care out there! 👍🏻🇬🇧
+Martin Kilner many thanks for your support :)
I agree. However, after WW-II Britain was broke. Governments run on money, not sentiment. There was the manpower to keep these places running but not the money or the will. They had served their purpose until the Goths and Vandals found their way inside to destroy what they could for whatever reason what should be looked upon as priceless historical treasures. We have not had to pay out monies for three times the normal historical time period, so the money became available for use, such as spending on cameras to spy upon their own people.
Such huge workout, gonna cost million GBPs.
Mate, that a was a joy to watch. Truly fantastic, hard work well paid off! 10/10 ! :-)
many thanks :)
Just back from Western Heights, really impressive place. Thanks for this video, it was really nice to see fortress from inside.
Great video Ian. Thank you. ....
Billiant and you're right about the need to document this, before time erodes it. You are right about the appreciation of the brick work. THumb up
Simply stunning chaps. Always wondered what it looked like on the inside.
YES!! FIRST CLASS VIDEO!! THANKS MATZE
many thanks :)
Amazing vid. Thanks !
Top video great footage of an amazing place
Yet again Quality video mate.
Looking forward to Next weeks!
many thanks :)
Don't forget to check out my channel, I've got a few Pegwell bay Caves & Tunnels Uploading this week, Including my attempt of the Frank Illingworth Tunnel! :)
TomRixonTV yes many thanks will check them out :)
I used to explore with my friends all of the tunnels in the Western Heights when I was a boy 55 years ago !! The entrances were not bricked up back then and was a glorious playground for us. I remember there being sort of bridges with huge counterweights somewhere in there. The Grand Shaft was overgrown but still passable. I always wondered if there was an underground way through to the Castle from the Western Heights, a long way, but a possibility?
UUKi
The insurance alone will cost the national trust a mint, let alone the restoration work. Maybe they will make a posh pub and restaurant out of it to pay for everything. Fantastic video. Your videos are very professional as is your conduct, with good well spoken clean language.
Awesome place to go exploring....great video
Bloeski's Wrecking Crew yeah a real super location! shame about it getting slowly trashed though :( thanks for the comment :)
Fantastic! Been here in 1995, but did not have time to explore.
A Brilliant Video
Great production!
many thanks :)
wow amazing stuff, it so should be fixed up and the public should see the amazing work that was done in the past, thanks for sharing
+ruth field (ruthie1) yeah I believe the western heights preservation society are opening it up for public on certain days of the year :) thanks for the comment :)
excellent video mate
Cheers mate :)
I last went across the old Military Hill drawbridge, to emerge on the Archcliffe side, in 1967 when it was a proper entry means to the Western Heights housing area (part of HM Prisons). The bridge looked a bit fragile even then. The traffic lights mentioned were the simple Stop (red) / Go (green) types.
+Peter Senior wow amazing stuff shame there's not many photos of it :( thanks for sharing:)
Really enjoyed this, its such a shame so many historic sites have been left to rot or knocked down for newer buildings and roads.
I thought your film on the North Entrance Western Heights was brilliant and I agree that the destruction was unforgivable. I lived for many years in the house that was demolished to make way for the new road up to the Heights,the three water tanks were I imagine directly under our our house and I remember just a couple of times being allowed to have a peep at these water tanks although it was strictly forbidden.I used the tunnel almost every day going to school and to see it and the draw bridges as they are now is nothing less than sacrilege I was in Dover a number of years ago and couldn't believe how they had let all this history go.I seem to remember the traffic lights each side of the tunnel were on a three minute slot . I loved living in Dover and have many good memories playing in the tunnels going up on what we used to call the island because you could only access it by going down the tunnels.There was even draw bridges under ground.The gun pits were also great and of course all the bombed buildings to play in the empty gymnasium down at the Grand Shaft Barracks I also lived up South Front for a short while a bit nearer to the Citadel.
Many thanks for giving me a chance to step back into my childhood.What a fantastic and interesting task you have taken on
I am glad I still have a picture of my old house now that its gone Good Luck in your research
Agnes Robinson
+Agnus Robinson Wow many thanks for your comment! sounds like you have lots of fun up there when you was a kid! would love to go back in time and film the western heights in all its glory :) Glad you enjoyed my video :)
Great looking spot! :-)
many thanks :)
Also great videos
wow very good documentation!!! Like.
many thanks for the support :)
+IKS Exploration - Fridays 10AM so this is in dover
good work ! interessante Reise !
many thanks :)
Superb film . We used to explore here in the late 80s when I was an electricity board apprentice
Wow bring back some memories for then I hope :)
IKS Exploration certainly does !
Hi Ian, this is probably the best video I've seen of the North Entrance. I have a question though... on the map overlap of the tanks there appears to be a road running the length of the tanks and beyond. Is this the North Ditch or some road that isn't there any more? It's where the red arrow is at 23:43.
I wonder if the collapsed tunnel goes towards the small battery across the road.
Great work by the way!
the brickwork on this place was amazing, certainly Quality rather than quantity.!! but was government mod owned not privatised.
My grandad remembers driving through this roadway prior to to its closure.
+gareth goldsmith thanks for the comment :) lots of interesting stories from people of this location :)
Love the video.. Is that the old Borstal ??
near it folk yeah :)
Well done again gents, the 60s and planners have a lot to answer for.
so fantastic, but really terrible to see how its get old without someone who care :(
they should rebuild it how it was in the 1800-1900
+Creepful the western height preservation society have been clearing this place up, and are hoping to have it open to the public in the near future :)
This place reminds me of fort Paull near hedon & hull theres is well under restoration too i think they have a website you can check out if your intrested
A lovely well made classic of a historic structure. So irritating that the road builders simply smashed two of the tanks up and filled them in!
Very cool interesting place! Wonder if 3 yrs later any work has been done to open up the tunnels to the public! Thanks!
Check this out folk : doverwesternheights.org/north-entrance/
Me and my mates used to go in there all the time in our teens, camped on top of if quite a few times, had so much fun in there, spooky as hell at night
I used to explore with my friends all of the tunnels in the Western Heights when I was a boy 55 years ago !! The entrances were not bricked up back then and was a glorious playground for us. I remember there being sort of bridges with huge counterweights somewhere in there.
wow that was a great production! -very interesting and what an impressive place, shame they cut through the wall mind.
In every city, I hate the new parts of it, and I always find myself touring the old parts with their beautiful architecture.
+Youssef Higgins. Yeah it's sad what councils are doing to towns and cities:(
Archcliffe gate look very impressive. Sad they thought it necessary to remove rather than incorporate.
do you have a link to the plans for the underground that you overlayed @ 23:21 ?
The WHPS have done a fantastic job and continue to do so. If you can get along to one of the guided tours they run through the year, you won't be disappointed. Things continue to get done, despite DDC's lack of care.
+Dale Skidmore Yeah i seen and heard of the work they have done inside this location! fantastic group of volunteers :) thanks for the comment :)
Great videos, did they ever open it up?
+Leigh Rich the western heights preservation society open them up from time to time :) google that name :) will give you a website :)
That bit of Cast Iron pipe with the cable going into it has very old style sockets which were sealed with oakum and rammed lead wool then sealed over with white lead putty Circa 1900
@3:29 I climbed that wall with the blue blob on and at the top climbed over a beam with a drop below and that is how I got in there, I am wondering if you did the same and if so do you pictures of this? Over the other side it was blocked off but someone had smashed through(lucky for us)
8;01 / 29:10... Not a communications room but a mess hall. Various things (clues) give away the nature of the rooms.
1) the medium size and shallow hearth, indicating (given the room size) the number of men (or women) housed in this area to be between 10-15 per shift. The wall separating would likely have been a food store and, possible kitchen / food preparation area, given away by the deep hearth and the air ducting above. The bricks, their composition and mold type give away the place or area of manufacture and a rough time period of use and manufacturer. In this place, London Clay (light orange) was used. You will notice no flecks of dark ash or charcoal in the brick composition. I'm not sure I like the idea of the description of Gun Room. There would be a lot of Deaf and Chocking personnel in those rooms. The rubber tubing outside was 1950s and to set the operation of traffic lights perhaps cold war installation? The water tanks, as noted by the pipe on the left-hand side of the wall protruding with a downward exit indicate it was water cooling reservoir for later engines of WW-II.
Wow: you really know your stuff.
Great to see that. A shame you never found a way to turn off the internal pa, the music was annoying. Especially when you said 'you can hear the wind', whereas all i heard was more crap mood music
I recently came here as I live quite close, but how did you manage to get in here? (3:39) I really wanted to but couldn't find a way in.. Do you have to cross the rusty beams where the locked gate is?
+x.mxllxe.x the place is sealed now. its opened up sometimes by the Westen heights preservation society for public tours. Please google there name for more information:)
Ah that's a shame! Is it that big entrance with the stairs next to it? We noticed it was properly sealed but we still found a different way to the fort, but we couldn't find a way in... It went on for ages! Thank you anyway :)
More nice videos
+n moughton many thanks :)
providing these places aren't demolished they will be standing long after modern builds are dust
+Little Bull Adventures that's very true:)
Ia abandoned place is truly amazing 😉.
somebody actualy had to dig that out in the past :I
Yeah its amazing thanks for the comment :)
One thing I noticed close to the start of your video is that what you state as being the bricked up Sally Port door to the Lines is not actually true. Whoever did this had bricked up the doorway that you saw, beyond which there is a short hall, with what was a metal spiral staricase to the left that went up to a small room on the left of the main tunnel entrance, with gun slit, etc. This was to cover the gap between the raised drawbridge and the usual two half doors at the start of the tunnel. Then the actual outside Sally port door at the far end of the short hall is the bricked up portion that you can see from the lines outside. Good video and explanation. I saw all this in the 60's when, before they ripped the road through the two cisterns, at least one of those had more than a few feet of water in it.
Has there been any progress in opening this beautiful Ford to the public since 2014?
Yeah they open this place up a couple of times a year now :)
They should resurrect this and do it all up and make it a museum or something like that it's an amazing place love the video I hate to see something like this left to die
these will be open to the public soon :)
+IKS Exploration - Fridays 10AM its tipical britten to build a road though it
where does the second entrance go? is there a second tunnel
?
its was demolished a long time go :)
IKS Exploration ah i see. love your videos man, great to see some videos of someone so close by!
It's a shame all this modern day graffiti everywhere. Great video very interesting
+Andyb2379 yeah graffiti is bad :( many thanks for the video :)
Looks a bit creepy in there watch out for any ghosts Ian unbelievable place
No ghosts folk just big spiders lol
5.06 minutes you walk along a corridor to a blocked up entrance, on the right you mentioned that the gaps were bricked up. I think thats how they were built. If that entrance was breached soldiers could shoot out of those narrow slots at the attackers. Numerous slots, so if a defender was killed the attackers still had more defenders waiting. As they only had single shot muskets other soldiers would have passed loaded muskets to the firer.
The unfinished brick lined passage is the typical shape in cross section, of a Victorian sewer.
why was the building of the road "unthinkable", infrastructure comes over history in specific cases, such as this; you even say yourself it only "opens the fort"
anyway good vid
Where would they have gone to the Loo?
Unfortunately this never did open to the public i live not far from here 😕
Were you allowed to go in or did you have to sneak in?
+Toby Kemp years ago it was open to anyone . Now the location is sealed tight
Thanks!
Destroying those water tanks by cutting the road through them was true vandalism
Amazes me the history European countries have. It's beautiful.. and crazy to understand what is around you was built and used for several hundreds of years. Not like here in the states where a 1900 building is considered historic for being one of the oldest standing :)
+Eric Jones there is so much very old history in Britain, I would like to look at America one day :)
bello ,complimenti
many thanks :)
wHATS THE DEaL TODAY with the western hights hospital We used to play there and called it the Zulu base
There must be over half a million bricks...
That location is so massive needs more videos on it I think
Cool video but 1 major gripe, the stupid over the top music when talkign about the destruction of the 2 water tanks "this is what it looks like now" queue the over dramatic slasher horror music soundtrack.
Woah, Woah!! Stop! Look. What was the very first thing on entering the site you missed? Well, I will tell you. Forget for now the damaged wooden floor that was there to protect gunpowder from igniting, due to sparks off iron wheels on stone, etc.
You came to an entrance where you took the flight of stairs down, but before you did, at the entrance, you noticed iron rings set into either side of the wall, then you ignored the foot balustrades either side, both these and the rings told a story of projectile or powder egress. Common lads, get a grip. It's the small thing you should pick up on. You have taken on a responsibility both to inform and educate. I might suggest you verbally ask the viewer if he/she might have any thoughts on what you have found.
Some things are obvious, others not so, and some, downright mysterious. I have been following you for some short while and appreciate your willingness to put yourself on our behalf in some danger: viz the Cliff Deep Level Shelter.
Keep your eyes peeled and, ASK those questions, because there are those out here who know the answers.
Cheer.. Merf the serf... and so forth.
I’m guessing you know a lot about this area! The Heights are great!
Viz
its tipical brittan to build roads though evrythink
lol many thanks for your support :)
from a construction point of view those tanks would have been a hassle to fill but probably done as a bund to prevent any voids under or next to the new construction, it wouldnt have been done to save money by having somewhere to lose spoil, also, at the time of any road building these tunnels would have been recent enough not to be considered not worth keeping or showing much care.
+Mission Dan interesting many thanks for sharing :)
+IKS Exploration - Fridays 10AM no, thank you for taking the time to make your videos, i watch them with my 6 yr old son, we both like them
hey why you wear a german uniform
are you going to lost places in germany ?
took the words out of my mouth :)
Tartaria
hey why you wear a german uniform
are you going to lost places in germany ?