Yep, as other characters come out stronger and stronger and even older characters get actual buffs, Sub just continues to either get nerfed or given useless buffs
They never cared to give him what he deserves. They understand how dangerous he is when a good experience player knows how to play with him. The buffed didn't do anything and sub zero needs to be mega buffed where he scales on his own without a kameo
If you want NRS to see this, you gotta tweet this to them, because these are really good points ands it’s the best way to communicate to them directly. I also think you’re the only person shedding light on the fact that sub can’t combo off Forward 1 Ice clone. And how he can no longer combo from 2:23. Great video.
Best answer: it was a rework to Sub in the latest patch General answer to us Sub Mains: it was a nerf in the latest patch. We didn’t ask for any of that. They’re turning Sub into some kind of trick shot specialist. Reworking how we play him while taking away so much viability from him. Taking away our standard F12 into ice Klone from corner. Where’s the logic?
My problem to this day is that I need to use so many resources for bread and butter combos like why do I need 2 kameos and 2 bars to get 40 percent when people like liu kang can get almost 40 meter less his scaling is so annoying he was finally in a good spot and then they just stuff that seemed good on paper but in practice it sucks i messed around with different kameos but I’m still not enjoying these changes
This was a nerf in my opinion because the ice klone no longer hits a opponents during a combo. For example after mileena I would usually do b2 j21 and then the clone and then probably do a safe jump set up. But now it misses and I can’t do that so I would have to do j12 instead of j21 if I want to do the setup. And for some reason ice clone no longer freezes when you do f12 in the corner and it just misses. And the ice clone’s cooldown being increased makes it slightly harder to keep pressure. I haven’t watched the video yet but these are just my thoughts before.
in every single mk game you could slide under projectiles which are high on reaction because it started with the down input now slide you have to randomly use or use it as a combo ender. its pathetic. Ice ball too went from a threatening asset to subzero in all games to a pathetic projectile which is easier to dodge than like 90% of projectiles. Finally he has no real mix up unless you have a kameo and no good projectile without a kameo meaning that you can only use like 1/4 of the kameos if you want to play subzero in higher ranks. #buffbihan
After playing sub for a bit recently cause I mained him at launch I can say. 1. Give the ice ball all faster start up, and recovery and make it bigger , and ex should be comboable. 2. Ice Klone Charge should go full screen. 3. Personal Change id like to see Give Harmful heel a secondary route that ends like the Arctic hammer Idm the ice ball being slow, and catching people off guard. Tbh mk needs to move away from the spear, and ice ball being free stuns it's just sped gameplay, and promotes annoying ass long distance abuse. I liked mk11 Scorpion a LOT, and the way his kit flowed nicely.
100% i agree with whatever u have mentioned. Tbh, i am not really happy with changes that has been implemented. It would have better if they just revert back to old subzero.
As someone that mained sub zero day one, the bad in this patch outweigh the good. It’s cool we have new combo routes but it’s not what we asked for and on top of that, nerfing the cooldown on ice klone took away a lot of pressure capabilities for him. I just want moves to be less unsafe and for ice ball to be faster like you said in the video. It makes no sense everyone has quick projectiles and sub has to eat them cuz his shit is slow
Ngl, as a sub zero player, I dont even care about a damage buff at this point. Just please give bro a viable launcher, faster ice ball and fix the ice clone hit box. People will down 1 the ice clone's leg and not be frozen and you have to work a little harder to use mid screen and in the corner for combos.
Anybody know why the NRS team doesn't like Sub-Zero? I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but if we say that Sub-Zero is Chinese, he's not the only Chinese in the game. Do features like ice and cold remind them of Russia, what is it, why do they exclude one of the most popular characters so much? Why is Sub-Zero disliked and always shown as a weak, loser?
The fact that the ice ball isn't patched to this day is eye opening. how can he have the slowest projectile in the game?? for the love of everything... he is sub-zero and he cant even freeze anyone... not even during combos... ridiculous, absurd.
... And don't get me started about sub-zero specials... Ice ball and vapors are trash... Ice ball: slow start-up, slow travel speed. Ice vapors: trash special, give me ground freeze. Overhand: slow and predictable... Specially because the majority of Sub Zero combos start with this move... Overall very limited character.
Yessir! This is what needs to happen. If they give us what we want in what you've said in the video, I wouldn't be much too concerned about the damage scaling lol.
They just hate sub zero,or they are afraid of what casuals and scrubs will say,you know they call sub zero op,on those lower ranks,and it's ridiculous that they listen to scrubs instead of high lvl players.
Yeah I don’t understand why they would take away few good things he had. The clone cool down time is very noticeable. My timing and everything feels off. It’s ok some characters can just spam attacks right? lol it’s crazy wht some can do
Sure they made ice ball slightly more relevant for use by being able to ice clone after freezing with ice ball but the scaling is abs INSANE if you just do a simple one bar bnb with sub(typical combo like from pre-patch) you can easily get above 35% but say you trade with ice ball and then go into that same exact bnb you're losing 5%+ because of the damage scaling. I feel like if they fix ANYTHING for sub, it should be his reduce the damage scaling for his ice ball and ground freeze.
@StarK_Takahashi You could occasionally catch someone at full screen and dash in for a full combo, but when I was labbing that scenario I was using a BNB that does 35% and with starting with ice ball it went down to barely 29% and I was just like "damn they made this route possible but unwanted"
I see a lot of people commenting about F12~Klone combos midscreen and corner. They're still there, you just gotta take different routes, but the combos and damage remain.
@@StarK_Takahashi You have to go into Vapors before Klone now, true, but the meterless combo is still there, with similar damage, so it's just a change, not a nerf.
yeah, honestly since the release of this patch I haven't used any of the new buffs in a real match, cuz to much for to little and also as you said sub lost some of his good features as well, I really don't now why they don't give subzero some real buffs I means he really can be a solid top 5 characters in mk1
I agree with your suggested changes. I wouldn’t mind if they reverted his current changes and just gave him a meterless launcher and a faster F12 string. The new combo route doesn’t change his underlying issues
For me the answer is both, clone is way more effective and the new triple clone is great for baiting armor. But I also find myself asking "damn can get my clone back real quick?" Because the cooldown time throws me off now
Iceball should be 25 frames, which is the minimum acceptable speed. The second slowest projectile is Tanya's at 24, I believe. Which means that even with a read sub, is not able to counter zone.
I think the ice clone couldown need to be something like 7 or 9 seconds, 5 seconds is stupid anoying, feels like peacemaker eagle but combo. Its probably the most safe move in the game and I agree with change the speed of the ice ball is slow as fuck and of course he still having a mid fast proyectile with no bar so xd
They didn’t nerf the cooldown on normal ice clone, it was only for enhanced and fully enhanced ice clone. Also I feel like he got buffed based on how I play him. I usually use kameo to combo f12 and I use clone to end combos, and he has a 14% armor now which honestly makes his armor the best in the game imo
They did nerf the cooldown on normal ice clone bro... Check it yourself... You'll not be able to do the ice clone as frequently as you were pre patch... For example I used to go for the Armor break setups just after finishing my combo which involves ice clone but now I can't
they want him to zone but his projectile is shit and the clone attack isnt full screen. his slide cant be used on reaction either and his mixup is only with a kameo. despite these problems they touched the ice clone and made it so purposeless that the only factor it plays is cool factor. even if you do the mixup with the triple clone, ppl will just armor or react at the overhead
The downplay after this patch needs to end. Your point about Sub-Zero needs a kameo to be good, 100% agree, here’s the problem with your take, it’s a kameo game. Quan Chi, Shang Tsung, hell even scorpion as much as I hate him, he drops a lot of tiers without a kameo The Ice Klone is better then ever. You can now Klone back and throw a Klone punch or an ice ball without being punished, yeah the timer thing kinda sucks but if they kept the timer the same then the ice Klone would be way too strong, by the time it would’ve disappeared, his next Klone would’ve been charged and ready The slide buff being able to switch sides is a good buff for Kameos like Sonya and Janet and 14% wake up slide is decent too. And if any of you think “I don’t know what I’m talking about” I play Sub, he’s my second main, stop the downplay, no one is bad in this game.
You completely missed the point where I mentioned all the nerfs given to ice clone... For that triple clone combo extender we sacrificed our meterless launcher and wakeup Armor break setups as well... They just kept ice clone the same way and added these buffs I would have said nothing
Yeah I agree with all these points. I just don’t see them making ice ball combo able. Since deadly vapors is just the combo tool. Which is a bummer. Hopefully they do the other things tho
One issue I have with Sub-Zero is his lackluster of ground combos with needing vapor and how you need to be more ariel to deal more damage. I also dislike how many gabs does he have in his combos.
Few buffs for a lot of nerfs 👍 I 100% agree and would go further and say they need to make him more plus frames in certain moves too 👍 Way I see it is NRS never truly got him right from day 1 but then made it worse rather that give certain moves a total rebuild. Great video though 🥳👍
@StarK_Takahashi the patch notes say it increased to 6 seconds. The Sub-Zero from the community was incorrect. It's always good to fact check to maintain informational integrity 🤘🏻
@@Aoimusha I just checked the patch notes and they have mentioned that the cooldown for ENHANCED ICE CLONE and FULLY ENHANCED ICE CLONE is increased by 60 frames... There is no mention of the REGULAR NON AMPLIFIED ice clone cooldown rate... But it's more than 6 seconds I am pretty sure
@@StarK_Takahashi It is a factual statement that regular clone cool down has been increased to 6 seconds. I verified it myself in the lab with a stopwatch and double-checked it by recording it and timing that as well.
@StarK_Takahashi now that we have established that the clone cool down has been changed by only 1 second, I would like to again state that I enjoyed your video and just want to keep informational integrity to maintain credibility in the MK community 🤘🏻
BF3 is unsafe as hell you can't call it a meterless launcher.... Again meterless launcher means something that you can use to convert on your own without being dependent on kameos
What exactly does subzero need? To be honest I’m not against subzero but I’ve never seen an entire playerbase complain so consistently for so long. I am wondering what are his flaws and what he needs to be satisfactory for you folks Edit : watched the video, I think the cooldown change was pretty stupid but I will still say I think a lot of this character’s issues aren’t as bad as a lot of the players make it out to be. A slow iceball balances with the fact it launches without a kameo. Even at full screen you can use a kameo to launch with it. Also a 10f mid would be ridiculous 😂😂 I think you’re perfectly fine with the mid being 14f instead of 15. A 10f mid is a johnny level mid, and considering the fact you have a now launching low special that can be made safe with kameos that definitely seems like overkill. Just my opinion though, I wouldn’t cry if he got buffed anyway. Liked the video 🤙🏽
You can't make the slide safe anymore unless you are not using his optimal kameos who are Kham sareena... If you use any other kameo besides these sub already loses a lot of utility because he got nothing of his own
i think the buffs are bad orientated i think subzero worst weaknesess are the gaps in almost every string and his veeery big scalling combos making only 2 routes optimal and very kameo dependent , dont get me wrong the ice clone hitbox buff and now with the slide change are good improvements but not as substantial as changing those critical flaws on his gameplay
He's more swaggy than before with his combos slightly more damage but still the same. But idc anymore Bro Ermac is too much fun im grinding and learning him a lot instead
There were some leaked patch notes recently that said that smoke no longer has his knife, no longer has his powers, and will no longer be in the game until further notice🤔
I agree with subzero needing better buffs and definitely some changes but I definitely find subzero annoying, just me personally. Especially when trash cans play him. I also think that most sub zero mains down play him wayyy to much and use it as an excuse when you lose. 9/10 times for me atleast when I run into sub with a mic or in a koth and I beat them it’s always “man this character is ass” or “I’m on sub -_- this character is terrible”. And it’s the same thing if I lose to a subzero, “how do you lose to a sub” but it’s just my opinion and I am curious to hear other people’s opinions.
they need to nerf his stupid ice clones and make it so that every ice clone costs one bar because noobs misuse it too much. all three ice clones should cost three bars. his damage should be buffed and he should be better on his own as well
Sub-Zero is already low-tier and even more with recent patch. So no fcken way are we gonna spend 3 bars for 3 ice-clones just to get 20% output in damage. The real noobs here are the ones that keep getting baited into the ice-clones. Go practice more bro. Reply
@ yes absolutely that. they could maybe make his overhead a frame or so faster, but other than that I think he’s a pretty solid cast member, especially with khameleon. he’s just very kameo dependent, like some of the cast
I’m actually so disappointed as a sub zero main it’s just getting worse and worse out here
Like... Seriously if they didn't change anything about the ice clone from before and then gave us these buffs it would be amazing
The funny part is both non sub and sub mains still think it’s a buff😂
Yep, as other characters come out stronger and stronger and even older characters get actual buffs, Sub just continues to either get nerfed or given useless buffs
They never cared to give him what he deserves. They understand how dangerous he is when a good experience player knows how to play with him. The buffed didn't do anything and sub zero needs to be mega buffed where he scales on his own without a kameo
Damage is not even a problem for me tbh... It's hit buttons and ice ball
@@StarK_Takahashiyou mean you want subzero to Able to hit and cancel into freezing an opponent?
@@Gamerintriguingupdates.007 yeah just like mk11 or mkx when ice ball was a combo extender
@ true.. mk sub can’t combo without meter and yet when he does his damage sucks
@@StarK_TakahashiThis!!
If you want NRS to see this, you gotta tweet this to them, because these are really good points ands it’s the best way to communicate to them directly. I also think you’re the only person shedding light on the fact that sub can’t combo off Forward 1 Ice clone. And how he can no longer combo from 2:23. Great video.
@@talos4702 I have already made a tweet about this video bro... If you would like to repost the link to my twitter is in the vid's description
Best answer: it was a rework to Sub in the latest patch
General answer to us Sub Mains: it was a nerf in the latest patch. We didn’t ask for any of that. They’re turning Sub into some kind of trick shot specialist. Reworking how we play him while taking away so much viability from him. Taking away our standard F12 into ice Klone from corner. Where’s the logic?
Exactly
My problem to this day is that I need to use so many resources for bread and butter combos like why do I need 2 kameos and 2 bars to get 40 percent when people like liu kang can get almost 40 meter less his scaling is so annoying he was finally in a good spot and then they just stuff that seemed good on paper but in practice it sucks i messed around with different kameos but I’m still not enjoying these changes
4:36 14 hits for 28%, imagine if it was scorpion or really anyone else, the damage would be at least 30/35% minimum if that ...
@@KZA.47 true
This was a nerf in my opinion because the ice klone no longer hits a opponents during a combo. For example after mileena I would usually do b2 j21 and then the clone and then probably do a safe jump set up. But now it misses and I can’t do that so I would have to do j12 instead of j21 if I want to do the setup. And for some reason ice clone no longer freezes when you do f12 in the corner and it just misses. And the ice clone’s cooldown being increased makes it slightly harder to keep pressure.
I haven’t watched the video yet but these are just my thoughts before.
I have mentioned all these points you said in the video... Every sub main feels the same
in every single mk game you could slide under projectiles which are high on reaction because it started with the down input now slide you have to randomly use or use it as a combo ender. its pathetic. Ice ball too went from a threatening asset to subzero in all games to a pathetic projectile which is easier to dodge than like 90% of projectiles. Finally he has no real mix up unless you have a kameo and no good projectile without a kameo meaning that you can only use like 1/4 of the kameos if you want to play subzero in higher ranks. #buffbihan
#BuffSubzero fr
After playing sub for a bit recently cause I mained him at launch I can say.
1. Give the ice ball all faster start up, and recovery and make it bigger , and ex should be comboable.
2. Ice Klone Charge should go full screen.
3. Personal Change id like to see
Give Harmful heel a secondary route that ends like the Arctic hammer
Idm the ice ball being slow, and catching people off guard.
Tbh mk needs to move away from the spear, and ice ball being free stuns it's just sped gameplay, and promotes annoying ass long distance abuse.
I liked mk11 Scorpion a LOT, and the way his kit flowed nicely.
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100% i agree with whatever u have mentioned. Tbh, i am not really happy with changes that has been implemented. It would have better if they just revert back to old subzero.
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As someone that mained sub zero day one, the bad in this patch outweigh the good. It’s cool we have new combo routes but it’s not what we asked for and on top of that, nerfing the cooldown on ice klone took away a lot of pressure capabilities for him. I just want moves to be less unsafe and for ice ball to be faster like you said in the video. It makes no sense everyone has quick projectiles and sub has to eat them cuz his shit is slow
@@DelsonZX exactly my point brother
Ngl, as a sub zero player, I dont even care about a damage buff at this point. Just please give bro a viable launcher, faster ice ball and fix the ice clone hit box. People will down 1 the ice clone's leg and not be frozen and you have to work a little harder to use mid screen and in the corner for combos.
Exactly my point
Anybody know why the NRS team doesn't like Sub-Zero? I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but if we say that Sub-Zero is Chinese, he's not the only Chinese in the game. Do features like ice and cold remind them of Russia, what is it, why do they exclude one of the most popular characters so much? Why is Sub-Zero disliked and always shown as a weak, loser?
We have no idea bro
the slide change is nice but i have so much muscle memory for the old one its taking some getting used too
@@fentanylmcflurry5633 yeah it'll take sometime to get used to it lol
Thats what its called
@TheKingwalker22 what lol
The fact that the ice ball isn't patched to this day is eye opening. how can he have the slowest projectile in the game?? for the love of everything... he is sub-zero and he cant even freeze anyone... not even during combos... ridiculous, absurd.
Seeing one of the iconic moves of mk like that is really embarassing
... And don't get me started about sub-zero specials... Ice ball and vapors are trash... Ice ball: slow start-up, slow travel speed. Ice vapors: trash special, give me ground freeze. Overhand: slow and predictable... Specially because the majority of Sub Zero combos start with this move... Overall very limited character.
Yessir! This is what needs to happen. If they give us what we want in what you've said in the video, I wouldn't be much too concerned about the damage scaling lol.
Yeah
They just hate sub zero,or they are afraid of what casuals and scrubs will say,you know they call sub zero op,on those lower ranks,and it's ridiculous that they listen to scrubs instead of high lvl players.
@@TheNikolaYo yeah that's kinda true
Yeah I don’t understand why they would take away few good things he had. The clone cool down time is very noticeable. My timing and everything feels off. It’s ok some characters can just spam attacks right? lol it’s crazy wht some can do
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They buffed the shit out of Scorpion and kept taking away from Sub. The favoritism is disgusting
They buffed all the low tiers but kept sub the same way
Thanks for this, man. At this point, I really believe that the NRS balancing team has something against Sub.
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I agree with you stark as a fellow sub main.
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Sure they made ice ball slightly more relevant for use by being able to ice clone after freezing with ice ball but the scaling is abs INSANE if you just do a simple one bar bnb with sub(typical combo like from pre-patch) you can easily get above 35% but say you trade with ice ball and then go into that same exact bnb you're losing 5%+ because of the damage scaling. I feel like if they fix ANYTHING for sub, it should be his reduce the damage scaling for his ice ball and ground freeze.
But who's getting hit by that slow ass ice ball that's the question😭
@StarK_Takahashi You could occasionally catch someone at full screen and dash in for a full combo, but when I was labbing that scenario I was using a BNB that does 35% and with starting with ice ball it went down to barely 29% and I was just like "damn they made this route possible but unwanted"
I see a lot of people commenting about F12~Klone combos midscreen and corner. They're still there, you just gotta take different routes, but the combos and damage remain.
F12 ice clone doesn't work in the corner anymore as a starter
@@StarK_Takahashi You have to go into Vapors before Klone now, true, but the meterless combo is still there, with similar damage, so it's just a change, not a nerf.
@oldmanfgc I have explained in my yesterday's video why F1 ice clone was so important for subzero.
yeah, honestly since the release of this patch I haven't used any of the new buffs in a real match, cuz to much for to little and also as you said sub lost some of his good features as well, I really don't now why they don't give subzero some real buffs I means he really can be a solid top 5 characters in mk1
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I agree with your suggested changes. I wouldn’t mind if they reverted his current changes and just gave him a meterless launcher and a faster F12 string.
The new combo route doesn’t change his underlying issues
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_Also I don’t know if it’s just me but I’m pretty sure they made his air kick special move unsafe on block now_
Dive kick?
@@StarK_Takahashi yea his air special move I forgot what it’s called
@@Nio-i4x dive kick was always unsafe if it lands on the head
@@StarK_Takahashi oh alright
NRS hates Sub-Zero. They gave this so people shut up and nothing else
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For me the answer is both, clone is way more effective and the new triple clone is great for baiting armor. But I also find myself asking "damn can get my clone back real quick?" Because the cooldown time throws me off now
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I’m actually very upset about the fact we cant Do ice clone in the corner.
@@timpike8559 that was really important for subzero fr
Iceball should be 25 frames, which is the minimum acceptable speed. The second slowest projectile is Tanya's at 24, I believe. Which means that even with a read sub, is not able to counter zone.
If we trying to compare projectiles with Tanya we should also compare the range of her normals haha
I think the ice clone couldown need to be something like 7 or 9 seconds, 5 seconds is stupid anoying, feels like peacemaker eagle but combo. Its probably the most safe move in the game and I agree with change the speed of the ice ball is slow as fuck and of course he still having a mid fast proyectile with no bar so xd
The ice clone cooldown is not 10 seconds which is absurd
They didn’t nerf the cooldown on normal ice clone, it was only for enhanced and fully enhanced ice clone. Also I feel like he got buffed based on how I play him. I usually use kameo to combo f12 and I use clone to end combos, and he has a 14% armor now which honestly makes his armor the best in the game imo
They did nerf the cooldown on normal ice clone bro... Check it yourself... You'll not be able to do the ice clone as frequently as you were pre patch... For example I used to go for the Armor break setups just after finishing my combo which involves ice clone but now I can't
Imo sub was better before this patch. F12 ice clone in corner was diabolical…
Fr... It was really useful
they want him to zone but his projectile is shit and the clone attack isnt full screen. his slide cant be used on reaction either and his mixup is only with a kameo. despite these problems they touched the ice clone and made it so purposeless that the only factor it plays is cool factor. even if you do the mixup with the triple clone, ppl will just armor or react at the overhead
That's true... Calling subzero a zoner character is straight bs
Thank you so much, you helped me play with cameos, and do combos, now I'm stronger.
Welcome brother
I am afraid to say that right now, he’s useless without a kameo. I have been using Sonya since the launch.
That's what I said in the video that he's so much kameo dependent
Its both.. he's been getting nerfed every single patch😭😭
Lol
The downplay after this patch needs to end.
Your point about Sub-Zero needs a kameo to be good, 100% agree, here’s the problem with your take, it’s a kameo game. Quan Chi, Shang Tsung, hell even scorpion as much as I hate him, he drops a lot of tiers without a kameo
The Ice Klone is better then ever. You can now Klone back and throw a Klone punch or an ice ball without being punished, yeah the timer thing kinda sucks but if they kept the timer the same then the ice Klone would be way too strong, by the time it would’ve disappeared, his next Klone would’ve been charged and ready
The slide buff being able to switch sides is a good buff for Kameos like Sonya and Janet and 14% wake up slide is decent too.
And if any of you think “I don’t know what I’m talking about” I play Sub, he’s my second main, stop the downplay, no one is bad in this game.
You completely missed the point where I mentioned all the nerfs given to ice clone... For that triple clone combo extender we sacrificed our meterless launcher and wakeup Armor break setups as well... They just kept ice clone the same way and added these buffs I would have said nothing
You're right, I think Sub is easier to use now to new players. But I think it's a need overall.
@@robkennedy5906 sub was always an easy character to use I guess
Yeah I agree with all these points. I just don’t see them making ice ball combo able. Since deadly vapors is just the combo tool. Which is a bummer. Hopefully they do the other things tho
We need something as a meterless launcher... Either make df4 completely meterless or make ice ball comboable
One issue I have with Sub-Zero is his lackluster of ground combos with needing vapor and how you need to be more ariel to deal more damage. I also dislike how many gabs does he have in his combos.
That's why we are asking for a meterless launcher which is jump cancellable
I'm using the same team as you your video helped out a lot
That's good to hear bro
Few buffs for a lot of nerfs 👍
I 100% agree and would go further and say they need to make him more plus frames in certain moves too 👍
Way I see it is NRS never truly got him right from day 1 but then made it worse rather that give certain moves a total rebuild.
Great video though 🥳👍
True man if not give him a plus frame normal at least give him a plus frame sweep like d4 or d3
If you say it's a nerf, it's a nerf.... OBEY YOUR GRANDMASTER
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Let’s just make him back to pre-launch beta version and problems solved
That would be crazy
I lost 3 matches in a row because of his stupid ice clone cooldown
That affected a lot man seriously
Skill issue 💀
@@skull_reviews4964 looked cool? Feeling happy?
Yeah 10 seconds! Maybe like 7 but 10 why change it tht much? I get little adjustment cuz it stays out longer now
@@DBearItare you serious?
Nice vid man, Yea I think they fumbled the football on this one.
Just one thing, cool down for ice-clone is not 10 seconds, that's incorrect.
One of the subzeros in the community informed me that it's 10 seconds cooldown now... Maybe it's 7-8 but it's definitely more than pre patch
@StarK_Takahashi the patch notes say it increased to 6 seconds. The Sub-Zero from the community was incorrect. It's always good to fact check to maintain informational integrity 🤘🏻
@@Aoimusha I just checked the patch notes and they have mentioned that the cooldown for ENHANCED ICE CLONE and FULLY ENHANCED ICE CLONE is increased by 60 frames... There is no mention of the REGULAR NON AMPLIFIED ice clone cooldown rate... But it's more than 6 seconds I am pretty sure
@@StarK_Takahashi It is a factual statement that regular clone cool down has been increased to 6 seconds. I verified it myself in the lab with a stopwatch and double-checked it by recording it and timing that as well.
@StarK_Takahashi now that we have established that the clone cool down has been changed by only 1 second, I would like to again state that I enjoyed your video and just want to keep informational integrity to maintain credibility in the MK community 🤘🏻
Meterless launcher = BF3 using Sonya, Kamelion or anyone else who can hold target mid-air for a while.
BF3 is unsafe as hell you can't call it a meterless launcher.... Again meterless launcher means something that you can use to convert on your own without being dependent on kameos
@ yup, it needs kameo support. But it is pretty easy to confirm using F12 and 21 strings. Give it a try :-)
A friendly criticism, not hate, i watch tons of your videos. Before you send this in or tweet them, add subtitles
@@WatchMeWhiff I am pretty sure yt automatically generates the subtitles after a few hours
Edit : the subtitles are already there generated by yt
@@StarK_Takahashi Generated subtitles usually aren't the most accurate.
What exactly does subzero need? To be honest I’m not against subzero but I’ve never seen an entire playerbase complain so consistently for so long. I am wondering what are his flaws and what he needs to be satisfactory for you folks
Edit : watched the video, I think the cooldown change was pretty stupid but I will still say I think a lot of this character’s issues aren’t as bad as a lot of the players make it out to be. A slow iceball balances with the fact it launches without a kameo. Even at full screen you can use a kameo to launch with it. Also a 10f mid would be ridiculous 😂😂 I think you’re perfectly fine with the mid being 14f instead of 15. A 10f mid is a johnny level mid, and considering the fact you have a now launching low special that can be made safe with kameos that definitely seems like overkill. Just my opinion though, I wouldn’t cry if he got buffed anyway. Liked the video 🤙🏽
You can't make the slide safe anymore unless you are not using his optimal kameos who are Kham sareena... If you use any other kameo besides these sub already loses a lot of utility because he got nothing of his own
Only real ones know about the tekken music🙏🏾
Yessir
Holy shit it’s unc🪵
BRO IS SPITTING FACTS OUTTA HIS MOUTH
We speak facts here haha
They shouldve kept him as Beta Sub-zero!! That version he was OP !
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Have you been to any mk1 tournaments on sub-zero?
Nope... We got no tournaments in India
Do you think that Sub 0 can immediately connect EX DB4 after J12 or J21 in the midscreen would be good or not?
He can do J21 ex db4 but only in some combos
@StarK_Takahashi Well. Do you want it to be more consistent
Who is your favorite character besides Sub-zero,Kenshi,And Scorpion
Ermac
i think the buffs are bad orientated i think subzero worst weaknesess are the gaps in almost every string and his veeery big scalling combos making only 2 routes optimal and very kameo dependent , dont get me wrong the ice clone hitbox buff and now with the slide change are good improvements but not as substantial as changing those critical flaws on his gameplay
Ice clone offers only multiple freezes right now... The hitbox is reduced
❄Sub-Zero deserves better. :< ❄
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Stephanie has something to do with
She hates subzero ngl
He's more swaggy than before with his combos slightly more damage but still the same.
But idc anymore Bro Ermac is too much fun im grinding and learning him a lot instead
I also wanna learn ermac so bad haha
@ just give him a try
@@MK_ItsLinKuei I did and moved from 2000 kasual leaderboard to 13000 kasual leaderboard😂😂
@ lmao
Happy Saturday morning to you
Happy Saturday bro
This is why I play noob now I think he’s a better character all round
@@akumasrevenge240 yeah that's true
We need beta Sub
For real also love your pfp😂
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💯 still dependent on kameos way too much
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Ice clone change was not needed
The buff they gave to the ice clone was needed but not the nerfs
Ehhh , can’t say no to your suggested buffs
Nerf sub
YOU SMOKE MAIN
There were some leaked patch notes recently that said that smoke no longer has his knife, no longer has his powers, and will no longer be in the game until further notice🤔
@ it’s basically like that😭
Is there a page where we can show our disagreement with this new patch? Just in case netherRealms sees our opinions.
There's no page for that
Is not a good buff. Only good thing is now he can use the sub or frost cameo. But he's still not really good with them anyway
Yeah
I agree with subzero needing better buffs and definitely some changes but I definitely find subzero annoying, just me personally. Especially when trash cans play him. I also think that most sub zero mains down play him wayyy to much and use it as an excuse when you lose. 9/10 times for me atleast when I run into sub with a mic or in a koth and I beat them it’s always “man this character is ass” or “I’m on sub -_- this character is terrible”. And it’s the same thing if I lose to a subzero, “how do you lose to a sub” but it’s just my opinion and I am curious to hear other people’s opinions.
Blaming your character for losing is a loser's play... But he definitely needs buffs because he's weak
they need to nerf his stupid ice clones and make it so that every ice clone costs one bar because noobs misuse it too much. all three ice clones should cost three bars. his damage should be buffed and he should be better on his own as well
1/10 ragebait but good try
Bro chill
Definitely agree with the noobs part, they all do D1 D1 into ice clone or D1 into ice clone or wake up ice clone lmao
Sub-Zero is already low-tier and even more with recent patch. So no fcken way are we gonna spend 3 bars for 3 ice-clones just to get 20% output in damage. The real noobs here are the ones that keep getting baited into the ice-clones. Go practice more bro.
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Ice clone got buffed
Buffed and nerfed at the same time
Ngl nerf real stark
Bro 😭😭
FINALLYYYY
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professional cryer and complainer lmao
Ikr lmao 😂
Well it's your opinion I'll say nothing about it... As I said in the video you are free to think otherwise
i can smell the curry from your voice 🧑🌾
What accent?
@@StarK_Takahashi i cant watch without subtitles bro 🙏
@@SirCapyTheSecond so turn on the subtitles tf
@@StarK_Takahashi i did
There’s nothing wrong with Sub zero. Just his iceball that sucks.
And the unnecessary nerf they gave to the ice clone this patch
@ yes absolutely that. they could maybe make his overhead a frame or so faster, but other than that I think he’s a pretty solid cast member, especially with khameleon. he’s just very kameo dependent, like some of the cast