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Yeah I agree with all these points. I just don’t see them making ice ball combo able. Since deadly vapors is just the combo tool. Which is a bummer. Hopefully they do the other things tho

Who is your favorite character besides Sub-zero,Kenshi,And Scorpion

One issue I have with Sub-Zero is his lackluster of ground combos with needing vapor and how you need to be more ariel to deal more damage. I also dislike how many gabs does he have in his combos.

If you say it's a nerf, it's a nerf.... OBEY YOUR GRANDMASTER

❄Sub-Zero deserves better. :< ❄

Stephanie has something to do with

After playing sub for a bit recently cause I mained him at launch I can say. 1. Give the ice ball all faster start up, and recovery and make it bigger , and ex should be comboable. 2. Ice Klone Charge should go full screen. 3. Personal Change id like to see Give Harmful heel a secondary route that ends like the Arctic hammer Idm the ice ball being slow, and catching people off guard. Tbh mk needs to move away from the spear, and ice ball being free stuns it's just sped gameplay, and promotes annoying ass long distance abuse. I liked mk11 Scorpion a LOT, and the way his kit flowed nicely.

Is there a page where we can show our disagreement with this new patch? Just in case netherRealms sees our opinions.

Yessir! This is what needs to happen. If they give us what we want in what you've said in the video, I wouldn't be much too concerned about the damage scaling lol.

Anybody know why the NRS team doesn't like Sub-Zero? I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but if we say that Sub-Zero is Chinese, he's not the only Chinese in the game. Do features like ice and cold remind them of Russia, what is it, why do they exclude one of the most popular characters so much? Why is Sub-Zero disliked and always shown as a weak, loser?

What exactly does subzero need? To be honest I’m not against subzero but I’ve never seen an entire playerbase complain so consistently for so long. I am wondering what are his flaws and what he needs to be satisfactory for you folks Edit : watched the video, I think the cooldown change was pretty stupid but I will still say I think a lot of this character’s issues aren’t as bad as a lot of the players make it out to be. A slow iceball balances with the fact it launches without a kameo. Even at full screen you can use a kameo to launch with it. Also a 10f mid would be ridiculous 😂😂 I think you’re perfectly fine with the mid being 14f instead of 15. A 10f mid is a johnny level mid, and considering the fact you have a now launching low special that can be made safe with kameos that definitely seems like overkill. Just my opinion though, I wouldn’t cry if he got buffed anyway. Liked the video 🤙🏽

The fact that the ice ball isn't patched to this day is eye opening. how can he have the slowest projectile in the game?? for the love of everything... he is sub-zero and he cant even freeze anyone... not even during combos... ridiculous, absurd.

FINALLYYYY

Do you think that Sub 0 can immediately connect EX DB4 after J12 or J21 in the midscreen would be good or not?

_Also I don’t know if it’s just me but I’m pretty sure they made his air kick special move unsafe on block now_

We need beta Sub

100% i agree with whatever u have mentioned. Tbh, i am not really happy with changes that has been implemented. It would have better if they just revert back to old subzero.

i think the buffs are bad orientated i think subzero worst weaknesess are the gaps in almost every string and his veeery big scalling combos making only 2 routes optimal and very kameo dependent , dont get me wrong the ice clone hitbox buff and now with the slide change are good improvements but not as substantial as changing those critical flaws on his gameplay

Ngl, as a sub zero player, I dont even care about a damage buff at this point. Just please give bro a viable launcher, faster ice ball and fix the ice clone hit box. People will down 1 the ice clone's leg and not be frozen and you have to work a little harder to use mid screen and in the corner for combos.

9:55 - Coolest combo ever.

Few buffs for a lot of nerfs 👍 I 100% agree and would go further and say they need to make him more plus frames in certain moves too 👍 Way I see it is NRS never truly got him right from day 1 but then made it worse rather that give certain moves a total rebuild. Great video though 🥳👍

I'm using the same team as you your video helped out a lot

I see a lot of people commenting about F12~Klone combos midscreen and corner. They're still there, you just gotta take different routes, but the combos and damage remain.

No NRS devs are listening, they only care about what the annoying blue furry says.

Do Sonya!

He's more swaggy than before with his combos slightly more damage but still the same. But idc anymore Bro Ermac is too much fun im grinding and learning him a lot instead

I think the ice clone couldown need to be something like 7 or 9 seconds, 5 seconds is stupid anoying, feels like peacemaker eagle but combo. Its probably the most safe move in the game and I agree with change the speed of the ice ball is slow as fuck and of course he still having a mid fast proyectile with no bar so xd

yeah, honestly since the release of this patch I haven't used any of the new buffs in a real match, cuz to much for to little and also as you said sub lost some of his good features as well, I really don't now why they don't give subzero some real buffs I means he really can be a solid top 5 characters in mk1

I am afraid to say that right now, he’s useless without a kameo. I have been using Sonya since the launch.

For me the answer is both, clone is way more effective and the new triple clone is great for baiting armor. But I also find myself asking "damn can get my clone back real quick?" Because the cooldown time throws me off now

They buffed the shit out of Scorpion and kept taking away from Sub. The favoritism is disgusting

Meterless launcher = BF3 using Sonya, Kamelion or anyone else who can hold target mid-air for a while.

NRS hates Sub-Zero. They gave this so people shut up and nothing else

I agree with subzero needing better buffs and definitely some changes but I definitely find subzero annoying, just me personally. Especially when trash cans play him. I also think that most sub zero mains down play him wayyy to much and use it as an excuse when you lose. 9/10 times for me atleast when I run into sub with a mic or in a koth and I beat them it’s always “man this character is ass” or “I’m on sub -_- this character is terrible”. And it’s the same thing if I lose to a subzero, “how do you lose to a sub” but it’s just my opinion and I am curious to hear other people’s opinions.

Thanks for this, man. At this point, I really believe that the NRS balancing team has something against Sub.

I agree with you stark as a fellow sub main.

Sure they made ice ball slightly more relevant for use by being able to ice clone after freezing with ice ball but the scaling is abs INSANE if you just do a simple one bar bnb with sub(typical combo like from pre-patch) you can easily get above 35% but say you trade with ice ball and then go into that same exact bnb you're losing 5%+ because of the damage scaling. I feel like if they fix ANYTHING for sub, it should be his reduce the damage scaling for his ice ball and ground freeze.

This is why I play noob now I think he’s a better character all round

4:36 14 hits for 28%, imagine if it was scorpion or really anyone else, the damage would be at least 30/35% minimum if that ...

Ice clone got buffed

i can smell the curry from your voice 🧑‍🌾

💯 still dependent on kameos way too much

This was a nerf in my opinion because the ice klone no longer hits a opponents during a combo. For example after mileena I would usually do b2 j21 and then the clone and then probably do a safe jump set up. But now it misses and I can’t do that so I would have to do j12 instead of j21 if I want to do the setup. And for some reason ice clone no longer freezes when you do f12 in the corner and it just misses. And the ice clone’s cooldown being increased makes it slightly harder to keep pressure. I haven’t watched the video yet but these are just my thoughts before.

Yeah I don’t understand why they would take away few good things he had. The clone cool down time is very noticeable. My timing and everything feels off. It’s ok some characters can just spam attacks right? lol it’s crazy wht some can do

As someone that mained sub zero day one, the bad in this patch outweigh the good. It’s cool we have new combo routes but it’s not what we asked for and on top of that, nerfing the cooldown on ice klone took away a lot of pressure capabilities for him. I just want moves to be less unsafe and for ice ball to be faster like you said in the video. It makes no sense everyone has quick projectiles and sub has to eat them cuz his shit is slow

Imo sub was better before this patch. F12 ice clone in corner was diabolical…

in every single mk game you could slide under projectiles which are high on reaction because it started with the down input now slide you have to randomly use or use it as a combo ender. its pathetic. Ice ball too went from a threatening asset to subzero in all games to a pathetic projectile which is easier to dodge than like 90% of projectiles. Finally he has no real mix up unless you have a kameo and no good projectile without a kameo meaning that you can only use like 1/4 of the kameos if you want to play subzero in higher ranks. #buffbihan