Jay Richards: Why Materialism Fails - Science Uprising extra content
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- In this bonus interview footage from Science Uprising, philosopher Jay Richards defines materialism, discusses how it has impacted us, explains why it shouldn't be confused with science, and analyzes why it ultimately fails as an explanation. Be sure to visit scienceuprising.com/ to find more videos and explore related articles and books.
Jay Richards, PhD, Assistant Professor at The Catholic University of America, filmmaker, and author or co-author of books such as The Human Advantage, The Privileged Planet, The Hobbit Party, Infiltrated, and Money, Greed, and God.
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Materialism seems to be a desperate and extreme attempt to rid oneself of anything to do with the spiritual world.
Amen
This is a wonderful breath of fresh air in the world of materialism.
So glad to see Discovery Institute getting new and more content out on TH-cam!
I really like what he said about 'explaining something away' as opposed to 'explaining it'.
That last point is really good. Just by becoming self aware we can realize materialism is not satisfactory.
The Police were spot-on when they sang "We are spirits in the material world". I know those lyrics are meaningless to some people. Both religious and anti-religious belief systems are often resistant to anything that threatens to undermine, challenge, qualify, or disconfirm them.
The question is, how does the material world allow life to exist in the first place? How did the biology and chemicals come together in such a way for us to be living breathing, intelligent beings?
Materialism is perhaps the natural outcome of society's denial of a Creator or of other dimensions or 'spheres' of reality.
It only stands up by refusing to look at other possibilities even when confronted with the most irrefutable evidence.
If it doesn't fit the narrative, then it's censored, destroyed or ridiculed.
Quantum mechanics seems to turn materialism into nonsense anyway,
since nothing actually exists materially if you look closely enough.
You guys should check out Rupert Sheldrakes work or Bernardo Kastrups work the have a lot of anti materialist things to say.
I watched a PhD scientist the other day.
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He became a Christian from atheist because he kept catching himself trying to be “good.” Why be good? How does material try to be good ?
There has to be a reason why an atheist
Try’s to be good.
Someone tag Sam Harris
Brilliant man
I entirely agree with everything he says. It's refreshing to see a professional philosopher actually talk sense.
Bernardo Kastrup would add so much to this channel
If you self awareness is just an illusion of the senses, then how can we know anything is real?
well, we cant lol
It's that simple to refute materialism 😂
Materialism works good in Carpentry. Cut an 8 foot board into 2 - 4 foot boards.
What does it mean?
Apply the right tools for what you want to achieve. When asked either A or B, Yes is a good answer. Materialism is a good lens but not the only one.
He seems to conflate materialism in itself with eliminative materialism that there are no thoughts, no beliefs, no intentions. . .
And isn't it interesting that materialism has become the common dogma of the intellectual community in the
last 100+ years and the 20th century was the most violent and Godless, Socialism/Communism, in human history.
Hitler too
Eugenics is a branch of darwinism
Be back here. Thx.
Deep thoughts!! And very true. The bible says that the things that are seen are made of things unseen. God planned our existence then purposefully set about to create the environment , light , plants , sea creatures etc... Finally us, to enjoy( not destroy) . We should be thankful most of all that he is loving patient and kind, traits that have little to do with materialism or the people that kind of thinking breeds.
Materialism will kill science.
mudu abdi Yup.
Materialism will kill science!.....he furiously typed on his smartphone, as his message was being distributed across the globe at the speed of light.
That conversation went right over my head. I don't understand the difference between "materialism" and "natural science". I thought they were one and the same? :-(
Materialism is to say there is no super natural sources for explaining things in our lives. So it has to find an alternative to explain everything. This results in rather the confidence that everything in the end is comprehensible by human reasoning. It’s an idolatry of human intelligence.
Doesn’t materialism deny the existence of anything that does not have weight or take up space, things like life, consciousness, thoughts, beliefs, desires, emotions?
We don’t have an understanding of a brain, not even of a fly let alone human brain..loving this 👍
The scientific method is defined by certain philosophical assumptions, such as naturalism, materialism and reductionism, which also define its limitations.
Reason is immaterial. ;)
The supernatural nature of charisma, is proof of the supernatural. So are our intentions. Undetectable by the senses, so outside the understanding of science.
What about charisma is supernatural exactly?
God Bless
1. What is materialism?
I denote material as that which can have interactivity and thus science is a study of the interactions that we observe. So, exactly what is the failure? The issue being that it something exists by any meaningful definition of existence, then there is something that can do something. If we can't see that anything is being done, then we don't have a basis to make a claim.
2. Where are we influenced by materialism?
3. Is materialism a reasonable worldview?
4. Is materialism compatible with science?
5. Does materialism account for scientists?
6. Can materialism explain thoughts?
Definitely for the questions listed! Why? What we denote as material can be shown and reviewed and supports everything that we can honestly claim about what is the case to the extent we can claim such. The issues of cognitive models and language would seem to be what has caused a problem for Jay Richards. I would love to have a discussion with Jay to determine the actual details of disconnect.
Here's a video that seems to hit at the heart of erred linkages that have befallen Jay Richards.
th-cam.com/video/No6H30Lvqm4/w-d-xo.html
5. Is materialism science?
No. Why is methodological naturalism an aspect of science? Due to being able to SHOW the results so others can CHECK the results being claimed.
Jay perfectly explains the "disconnect". That is the materialist's unwillingness to actually let the evidence lead us, you have already rejected certain "evidences" inherent in accepting the premises of materialism. It is as Jay stated. a futile , self-refuting intellectual exercise.
Why would we have survival instinct if we are not real and everything outside of us is not real ? lol 😂
materialists always incourage people to think like them and say that one should struggle for the growth of oneself wether for a special purpose or non purpose. But when you ask them what is that self for which you must struggle and their answer is " there is no self ".
What about the mind or a thought, or just being consciousness of oneself, or being awareness of your thoughts and changing your thoughts to righteousness, so that is not physical but spiritual.
Claiming materialism then getting the *implication* that selves don’t exist is fine. It’s that pesky *implication* that claims and implications don’t exist..
So, materialism has no concrete philosophical foundations!
The phenomenological coherences, logos, logic observable in the interaction of matter, material things, may be universal, or not.
I like that he picked up psychology as a discipline is a nonsense if methodological naturalism is allowed. This uncritical assumption had the curious reverse effect in my psychology degree of apparently tearing down human thought and language to the level of what apes can achieve - the famous Washoe and Sarah (and many others), sign language studies in chimpanzees made all sorts of dubious claims about their ability. But they did this by failing to define the fullness of what human language is, (animals only achieve concrete sign manipulation, not human abstract level thinking and language), and demonstrated basic errors of psychological research of anthropomorphism and subjectivity of the experimenter bias, as outline in Petitto & Seidenberg (1975), a famous review of reviews which rubbished all the animal language studies to that date. In short they found that chimps can discuss actual bananas and that they prefer a banana to an apple, but they cannot discuss abstractions like their ordinal scales of preference, or history, or the future, or time iteslf. Petitto & Seidenberg is controversial to this day, but they plainly found all the flaws that 'proving humans are just like apes, and apes are just like humans', causes when following essentially Darwinist atheism in ethological studies.
I was interested to later find the atheist philosopher Susanne K. Langer's well known article from the 1940s, on 'Signs and symbols' in human thought explaining this basic animal/human divide. Jean Piaget also documented the growth path of the human child from concrete level thinking to full abstraction, in great detail. He would have agreed with Pierre-Paul Grassé the French zoologist that Darwinism and methodological naturalism is a dead end for science.
psalms 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us./inspiration+It is perhaps impossible for us to even imagine how deep God’s love runs for us, for just as He is ultimately beyond our total comprehension, so too is the depth of His feelings. We may get some inkling of it by virtue of the salvation we all know; that if we confess and truly repent, so our sins too will be absolved. Consider this, could we show such love to anyone? If they committed the most heinous acts or injuries upon us and after asked for forgiveness, could we do the same in all circumstances? /prayer+My Redeemer and Father, whose Heavenly wisdom sees all I think and do, and from whom I cannot hide my heart. Grant me Your love once again, as I ask for forgiveness for the sins I have committed. Grant me mercy once again for the wrongs I have perpetrated. For I beg for Your forgiveness Lord, and know that Your mercy is infinite, and from which I may drink as from a well that never dries. Amen.
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Psychology is the observation of the behavior of animals and humans. The only assumption is that humans have the ability to record observed behavior and perhaps draw conclusions.
I think it’s safe to say a flat earther is also a materialist.
Jay Richards question how is the spiritual world discovered?
I would say, assuming that we are spiritual beings, from within. Spirit can only be understood through spirit.
Why do i feel i should dislike neil degrasse tyson and bill nye? Materialism is wrong what about spirituality consciousness materialist science can't explain that the same for paranormal things like ghosts and psionic powers
I remain in the academy :)
Materialism is a variety of greedy reductionism. This is why as medicine advances, injuries are cared for properly but illness is cared for more and more improperly.
Is materialism materialist ?
Can somebody answers some questions
1) When we born we don't have self of sense and start to develop at the age of 2 ?
2) some apes and elephents also are self aware & dolphins as well ?
3 ) If we remove brain modulea there will be no self ?
4) these are my thoughts and learning through it that we find meaning otherwise there is no meaning. Right?
Please Try to answer. I am finding truth.
Truth cannot be found in intellectual logical realms. No belief system can fit this
The brain is the interface to mind or consciousness.
Can materialism and the laws of physics explain the feeling of love, longing, sadness, anger, morals, etc !!!! Nooooooo
Thank you Karl Marx and Charles Darwin for infecting humanity with what has turned out to be destructive materialism.
One could say materialism is actually foolish. Though, materialists profess themselves to be wise.
Materialism is boring. a brain develops before any thought. Come on, really? That can't happen and everyone knows it, enough with the pretense, and the pseudo-intellectualism.
Beliefs are material objects IF beliefs are arrangements of chemical signals and neuron connections in a brain. A snow flake is in some sense more than just a bunch of H2O molecules stuck together, it has a pattern, it has a history... But that doesn't make it not H2O. Beliefs are more than just chemicals and connections in brains, they have meaning and impact, but that doesn't make them not connections and chemicals in brains.
Just because something is more than it's parts does not mean that it is not it's parts.
If materialism is true, truth itself can't exist. There is no truth in chemical reactions, they just are.
The world is made out of consciousness y'all! Matter too!
This is very interesting,and I think one reason the materialist view is so strong is that the spiritualistic side has often been so narrow minded .
The belief by some to say Gof said and God told me and then to form a religion and use it to control people is why materialists like Richard Dawkins are blinded by the notion that there is something more.
The tragic thing is that religion has been corrupted by man for his own power and the most contemporary example I can think of now is the Theocratic regime in Iran who cherry pick rules and interpret rules to suit there own selfish needs.
Materialism doesn't explain karma
Dark matter can't be sensed, so does it exist?
In the lab, NonMaterial things measures exactly the same as metaphysical things , measure the same as Imaginary things, measures the same as Nonexistant things.......they all measure Zero. Is it just a coincidence? If they all share the exact same properties, and measure the same, maybe then they are the same thing
How do you measure or evaluate your argument above in the lab using only material things? And if you can't, is your argument reduced to something imaginary and non-existent?
Materialists invented the idea that they are incapable of inventing ideas themselves.
Damn well said
You must realise that materialism is a belief. Whether it is called a religion or not is a matter of how a religion is defined. If the definition of religion requires belief in a god and a system of worship then it is not a religion but if a religion is a belief regardless of whether it believes in a god or not then yes it would be a religion. Both religion and atheism are world views. One believes in a deity the other not but both use the material universe as their starting point and form a view of reality.
Science and the religious both agree that the universe had a beginning. It just so happens that the religious made the discovery 3,000 years before science. Ne Timeas.
I know it is an incredible leap, but perhaps it will one day be shown how are mental experience is a product of material things --- the material that we can measure. So, when my eyes show me something dangerous and my body leaps away from the threat while my breathing and heartbeat increases, we call it "fright." Our memory of it can repeat the experience imperfectly.
I agree that materialism can't prove that something nonmaterial doesn't exist because materialism by definition only refers to things that can be measured. A nonmaterial thing would be immeasurable. However, each of my thoughts must be stored in the cells of the brain as memory.
I suppose a critic could say that the brain is a necessary requirement for having a mind, but it isn't sufficient.
The material basis of mind is supported by evidence that both our physical and mental development is affected by nutrition as we grow up.
The problem is though, if materialism is true, then everything (including thoughts) functions physical laws and processes.
Prof. Richard's is confusing two different things both of which are called materialism. 1. Every material effect has a material cause. (true) and 2. Resource dominance and its hierarchy are good. (false)
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Really, seriously, because "ideas" are immaterial, that disproves materialism? You know that line from the X-Files "I want to believe..."? I have always wanted to believe, but have never seen a shred of evidence in support of this desire.
"... always wanted to believe ...". Believe what?
Like a coin buys seed which grows a rose that gives fragrance. It all comes back to the coin. No matter how much you pretend it did not.
Materialist believe that if an intelligent being can’t understand it than it isn’t real.
For they have refused truth and preferred reason.
Amen.
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physical lows are also an ingredient of the universe. They are not material. Mathematics is not material either.
Materialism tells us that God is not 'natural' and I am not even sure what that means. But is it euphemism for 'no God' and they are not even being honest with themselves? Materialism is a way of saying 'no God' without actually proving it.
The 20th century: Almighty God vs Almighty Man
Mathematics, gravity, theory of relativity, and your ability to intellectually communicate to yourself are all examples of how non physical things effect physical matter 💀 non physical things like gravity and mathematics and your consciousness are not subject to decay because they are the code for which the universe was written and therefore undying. Now show me how physics can explain my existence. First you start with many materialistic physicists favorite theory, the Big Bang. A single singularity that exploded and expanded throughout the universe. But matter can not be created nor destroyed. This is a physical quantum law. One of the most important facts about quantum mechanics contradicts itself. How did the earth come into a perfect orbit with the perfect star with a perfect moon in the perfect orbit to sustain life on a planet? How did amino acids land on the desolate earth to create the most basic forms of life? How did the life evolve in such a way that it is a cycle? Everything has a given purpose in nature, but that in fact is supernatural. In a materialist world it requires great coincidences and false hope for their theory to work. I personally think it is more rational that something wrote the code to the universe and the life on earth was meant to be a certain way and bring purpose. Then to say that this life is a crazy coincidence that even in the materialistic view of the world, couldn’t possibly exist. The science that we see as fact constantly contradicts itself. It gives us a lot of answers to physical things but even when you get to the deeper questions on physical phenomena they can’t explain it and instead call it a “paradox” and don’t revise the issue with other thought. Because they feel it is more satisfying to have everything be physical and explained by physics, so they will not look at anything any other way. But physics and mathematics have fallen back on themselves constantly when it comes to the brain and concepts of life and the begging of the universe. We know that our minds are immaterial it has been proven by multiple neurological studies that the intellect and the overall consciousness can not be effect by toying with the brain. I recommend dr.Michael Egnors video on how “your not just a meat robot”. It talks about these studies in good length and in amazing wording. Dr Egnor has been a great leader in neuroscience for a long time and made a great video on this channel! Stay with an open mind and an open heart to new ideas or In this case just a straight up new understanding of the mind and brain 🧠 peace!
Without authorities in science, it all comes down to the observations and experiments. The attempt to discredit science by discrediting scientists is fruitless, and inane.
If materialism is the correct approach, then that justifies the existence of god and his goodness and intervention to create the heaven and the earth
After all materialism, produced that thought of God existing. It is therefore as legitimate as there being no god
The hell is this? Just because we’re made of matter doesn’t mean we don’t exist. I’m a system of chemicals. Anybody who disagrees with me can take it up with my pharmacist.
Idealism and gods are no explanation at all. But that said, Science has nothing to say about them. It has little to say about aesthetics or ethics. The fellow scientists I run across who talk about such things at all seem to hold different views But all of them are scientific naturalists, which is to say, no calls to the supernatural are required to explain objects and actions of scientific inquiry. You can have the rest.
I don't have a settled view with regard to materialism, but I don't remotely see how psychology denies materialism. A materialist would say that the mind is an emergent property of the physical brain - it is an expression of the brain. Yes, the mind is not material, but it is not a thing, it is a property of a physical thing. And I don't know that it is depressing. It is nice to think there is more to us than atoms and subatomic particles. It's nice to think a lot of things, That doesn't make them true. Is the truth depressing? Possibly, depending on your perspective. I am happy enough to believe we are more than the sum of our physical parts, but isn't that to do with the way those parts are assembled and not because they are imbued with fairy dust? I never bought this "hard problem" baloney. I think it is a kind of hubris that makes us feel the need to suppose our selves just have to be more than the result of a particularly interesting configuration of matter.
A top purpose of materialism is to keep God-dishonoring lifestyles legal.
Don't confuse Materialism with Naturalism.
Why waste time arguing against materialism if you can simply prove a god exists with sufficient evidence? Oh. Right.
I'm not a hard materialist myself, I just face the reality that when a claim involves reality the only way we can know it's true is empirical evidence (our detections of reality). So there may be something beyond, but we don't know unless we have evidence, and if your definition of "supernatural" means we can never have evidence of that, then to me you're just saying we can never have _knowledge_ of that. (I mean I could just invent whatever garbage ideas I wanted, but include "oh and this thing is supernatural" and you'd just have to believe the idea is true because I told you so?)
Neuroscience has shown that the mind / self is in fact controlled by parts of the brain. A creator is not needed for the beginning of the big bang, there are many other theories. Materialism doesn't deny we are conscious beings, our brains are the most complex systems in the universe created through billions of years of evolution. This amazing development has made us what we are. Also don't even try to dispute evolution when it is 100% fact
"Don't even try to dispute evolution" - the words of a fanatic. Science is nothing but a well constructed dispute; if it isn't open to dispute, it isn't science.
I'm just finding Discovery Science which I'm truly enjoying. I need to hear what this man is saying. But the jerkiness of the camera is just not it. Very distracting. Not edgy -- just annoying. I hope this type of nonsense would be avoided in future.
Materialism is for the stupid and the wicked for sure.
What are your thoughts on Elon Musk's neuralink? Just wondering. He thinks that his brain chips will allow you to upload your consciousness to the internet! He wants to merge human consciousness with AI! I think he is too materialistic and neuralink should be under heavy regulation with high level of transparency required!
Materialism is simply bad theology.
At the beginning you do a little to try to separate philosophical naturalism and methodological naturalism, but then you go on to conflate them and use them interchangeably. Congrats.
Materialism - the urge to purchase dodgy hair dye...........
Materialism AFAICT is a political need, ie. perceived threats of three-toothed creationists, ID folks, and amply pierced and tattooed feminists with three-colored hair waiving postmodernist tracts their professor had a half-baked read of, all joining together to inaugurate some new dark age if the bulwark of reductive materialism doesn't hold. I share some of their concerns perhaps about the SJW postmodernists because they do have a foothold in academia and peer review, very few people take biblical creationists seriously, either way it reeks of slippery-slope fallacy in that sense.
Here's something I want theists to consider: Whenever we develop a procedure for operating an airplane, or a procedure to repair a crushed artery, there is never a step that says "At this point, you should pray. The gods will handle this step, and you can move on to step 15 once the gods have completed their task."
Why are materialistic procedures reliable? Why are prayers unreliable?
Because we live in a material universe...so materialistic tests are reliable.
The laws, forces and boundaries are SO perfect, so finely tuned, so intricately interwoven and interdependent. This does not speak of random chaos, this speaks of organisation.
Science shows 'how' it all is, not that it is all there is.
Precious Testimonies... fascinating group of experiences of something that science can't explain.
When you can show how the Immaterial World can interact with the Material World, then I'll take a second look.
You’re asking to understand how flight works before you’ll admit to the existence of birds. He points out the immaterial self that you personally experience. The mere fact that you can formulate a question violates physical causality. How can you deny it? Will you claim that you have no free will? That in this mechanistic universe the position of every particle is determined ultimately by its position in the Big Bang as though the universe is giant game of pool? Do the combinatorics on that and see if it’s rational. It’s much more rational to conclude there is an immaterial aspect to the universe than to conclude there isn’t. One explanation is wildly mathematically implausible and the other presents no natural barrier to belief.
Modern Physics isnt materialist.
Most modern physicists are.
What is it then? Idealist? Dualist?
Come on, man!
Too bad materialism is true
well what are your arguments for materialism because I think I have a pretty good argument against materialism and that is consciousness the conscious mind is a immaterial scientists have not been able to find a part of the brain that generates consciousness and saying the whole brain works together to make consciousness doesn't make a lot of sense because you're adding up a bunch of material components to make something on the non-material you could say consciousness is an illusion but what proof do you have of that I think it's pretty much impossible to prove that consciousness is an illusion.
What is truth but an illusion created by the mind of the materialist due to the certain and random pattern of molecules and electrochemical firings in his head.
Oh what a bunch of nonsense.
Are fields build from matter? No. Space, time ... ...? No.
Come on, matter is not everything there is. But should I expect anything intelligent from proponents of the intelligent design? Of course not.
Someone who doesn't understand science, or materialism lecturing on his straw man ideas of them.
Ok, I would guess that the reason Richards is using such a ridiculous definition of materialism that no materialist would use, is because his arguments don’t make sense otherwise. Nowhere does materialism maintain that only ‘objects’ exist.
Even in philosophy, which he’s a part of- “Materialism is the doctrine that consciousness and will are wholly due to material agency.”
Electricity is a good analogy. We know how electricity is formed from material means, but it’s not an object. We also know thoughts are formed in the brain, or at least always associated with brains, but they aren’t objects either.
Materialism just means that to our present knowledge, and historically, nothing supernatural is required to explain/understand things.
Edit: Ok, I’ve watched the rest of this video and I’ve come to the conclusion that Richards is deliberately and grossly misrepresenting materialism and science for the sake of his argument. None of what he says makes any sense without his own BS definition. Waste of time.