Very succinct. Science says unequivocally that the universe cannot be it's own source or even supply its own logic. The ancients - east and west - knew that truth and God revealed it though the Prophets of Israel.
I agree with you. Inanimate matter lacks Consciousness and Intelligence, and is devoid of the intellectual faculty of perception, be it faulty or accurate. Before any 20th and 21st century C.E. (i.e. Common Era) geologists, mathematicians, physicists, and astronomers investigated, tested, after research, and made their conclusions; the Bible at Isaiah (who was the son of Amoz), at Chapter 40: Verse 22 stated "There is One who dwells above the [CIRCLE,] of the earth, ..." and at Verse 26, ... Because of his vast dynamic energy and awe-inspiring power, Not one of them is missing." The point Isaiah is revealing, is that the earth is geometrically CIRCULAR (or near spherical, round in shape); and NOT FLAT that the unlearned or uneducated of the past thought, and therefore, erroneously reasoned. (Quotations from the Bible were from the modern English language NWT or New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.)
Never before, in the history of science, in virtually every technical discipline, has there been more EVIDENCE for the existence of God and the conscious universe. It is possible to come to faith based upon an entirely statistical analysis. There is so much evidence that it takes many books in biochemical, quantum physics, cosmology and nanotechnology to describe it. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
I never questioned that the universe was created, but I am never able to adequately counter arguments from atheists and advocates of multi universes. Now we have the moist robot and the world is a "computer simulation" crowd. I wish I could carry Frank Tipler and James Tour around in my pocket to make the arguments for me.
Recommend you get Dr. Stephen Meyer’s latest book Return of the God Hypothesis to get a good counter-argument to the multiverse theory… Specifically, any multiverse generator capable of creating our specific universe had to be specifically fine tuned in order to do so. The equations can produce an endless supply of universes incapable of supporting life at all, unless the parameters of that engine were themselves fine tuned.
Chapter Al-Anbiya (The Prophets), Verse 30: Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? Verse 31: And We have placed on the earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them, and We placed therein broad highways for them to pass through, that they may be guided. Verse 32: And We have made the heaven a roof, safe and well guarded. Yet they turn away from its signs (i.e. sun, moon, winds, clouds, etc.). Verse 33: And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating. (English translation, Mohsin Khan)
Regarding the Laws of Physics, I think a little Chestertonian logic is needed in the scientific community. We see a correlation. We see this correlation over and over again. We declare we have a "law." But, do we? Will this correlation we think is a law still endure a thousand years from now? Are the Laws of Physics really eternal and immutable? Or are they just our own way of describing the universe we observe today?
These so called scientists think that having an approximate idea of how Nature works gives them the right to use that knowledge to travel back in time to validate all of their crazy ideas and call them valid scientific theories. It's like me saying that knowing that 2+2 is 4 and that days have 24hs is enough knowledge to remember what I had for lunch last Thursday
So if the singularity gave rise to this universe and its laws… and we are manifestations of that energy… it means, in essence, we can not be anything else but that energy. We are the energy of the singularity that moulded itself into a human being (among other things) and we are experiencing ourselves, each from our own human vantage point. So, in other words, we all are (bits of) God. Is a sunbeam separate from the sun? When the ocean splashes a single drop of water in mid-air… is that drop an entity separate from the ocean? Or is it the ocean, in a drop?
Frank Tipler said that it is clear that the universe had a singularity, although both models of the big bang, one being finite and the other being infinite are being debated. Can someone shed some light on why Frank Tipler is right?
I don't really think it's a question about Frank being right. More about is the maths, tests and observations right. And so far nothing has shown them to be wrong.
Thanks Frank"ie"" Those guys saying: "But what about only ONE (as opposed to two) facets to The, as your entire book puts it, Singularity. Well, I worked, helped ya before, Ill do it again. Rock ONptl#
With these truths we realize the creator must have a mind/ personality , ability to plan and prepare and to even change his mind. The bible says that wisdom , life , truth, GOD existed before anything that can be seen was made. But for spiritual clarity Jesus was God in the flesh and the bible teaches through him we have access to the Spirit /God! Not many different pathways with opposing viewpoints as we see when we view the different religions of the world. God so loved us that he not only revealed his loving and forgiving nature , his sacrificial love through Jesus , but he provided one way which simplifies the way to life. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life! No man comes to the father but through me! Simple because there should be no confusion. Different pathways lead to different ends. Follow Jesus and find life eternal!
Beautiful. The fact that we are even capable of conceiving ideas to promote that other universes exist should make us question: What is it that made us individually capable of conceiving and believing in ideas that we ourselves cannot see? But we don't want to believe that an Invisible God exists. Yet the abilities that we have which enables us to determine a conclusion that we prefer, is in itself proof of the Invisible existence of God. Else we would all have come to the same conclusion.
There is no evidence nor Scripture that supports any idea that nothing exist outside our Universe, on the contrary, if we believe Scripture, YHWH is, was, and ever will be, and anything else proceeds from YHWH.
5:58 Tipler says "The singularity really does control the evolution of the universe". I do not know what type of "control" Tipler is taking about. Is this control related to the singularity's rationality? Is this control distinguishable from the existing laws and theories of physics? 6:20 Tipler suggests the singularity controls things and has rationality, analogous to a human mind. Tipler is not using the term "singularity" as the communities of physics, cosmologists, and mathematicians use that word. The ideas Tipler presents here will probably not spread in physics and cosmology. His ideas provide no further explanation for the big bang and the values of physical constants beyond what is known and/or necessary per the anthropic principle. He does not propose an experiment that would demonstrate the correctness of his interpretation and/or the incorrectness of other interpretations.
The anthropic principle is not an explanation. It actually avoids an explanation. It merely says that the laws of nature had to be life supporting or we wouldn’t be here. But that alone doesn’t explain anything at all. That definitely doesn’t prove the values couldn’t have been different. It ONLY says if they were different we wouldn’t know about it. And so when you say that the values of the physical constants are “necessary” you are yourself misusing that term. Necessary things cannot be otherwise. The constants of physics COULD have been otherwise… and we would not exist in that possible universe. Also, when you say “He does not propose an experiment that would demonstrate the correctness of his interpretation…” you are actually missing the point. There is NO experiment that could be performed. This is not the case where we have one experimentally confirmed hypothesis that is causing materialists to conclude nothing else exists. This is a case of two starting ASSUMPTIONS that can never be experimentally proven, that then people use to interpret the data. Materialists cannot run any experiment to prove materialism. They simply assume it up front.
Nature from the Latin word natura. Essential qualities, but really means birth. All things and all phenomenon. So can anyone really speculate upon anything outside of everything? Nature actually means the singularity and all phenomenon. When a puzzle begins with a grave misconception, all to follow are misconceptions.
god can be explained in part, as if outside of time,space, matter...this intelligence and power, is far beyond what we could concieve. there would be no time, per se, in the entity known as god. and his power, and intelligence would that start the big bang, and the physical laws, and time, space itself. that actually makes sense. but since science can t explain god, of which, i don t think anyone can, as we are just people, we are the created. then, if they can t explain it, they tend to dismiss god. i think there is god, and i also think, that the physical laws themselves, and inflation shows this.]
I like Tipler's definition of the singularity, that it is a supernatural entity. The "fine-tuning problem" is a problem for materialistic atheists but not for theists. Of course, there is no evidence that other universes exist. The singularity he is referring to is an intelligent being who wanted the universe as it is, hence the fine tuning. Fine tuning was intended to point to a supernatural entity with mind, power, eternality, and transcendental quality. The law of causality, by which scientists do science, forces one to believe the universe or some transcendental physical entity, such as gravity, created the universe from nothing. This is absurd, but there are many intelligent people who believe this without question, and if they question it, they are quickly cancelled, like Richard Sternberg. That's not the way people of science should act. They should be open minded if they are real scientists. According to their definition of science, real scientists will follow where the evidence leads. Fine tuning is one of those evidences that point to a rational, eternal, omnipotent being who created the universe.
Frank Tipler: "Outside of thee universe, which was created by the singularity and the singularity itself, there is nothing; no space, no time, no matter..." God: No problem. 😎
The supernatural being that created this world was an imperfect singularity. The flaw in this singularity was responsible for the disaster we refer to as the Big Bang. If the singularity had been truly perfect the Big Bang would not have been possible. Recall that in Genesis we read that God repented that He had made this world.
CORRECTION on a few things. The Singularity is not outside of space-time. The Singularity created Universe/space-time so as to be within it and experience it. You do not have free will "in here". You have a perfect simulation of free will "in here". But in actuality things happen the way they were meant to happen and couldn't happen any other way as a mathematical equation being worked out. You did however have free will choice to 'Enter' this Universe knowing the consequences yet chose to Enter anyway even knowing your memory would be wiped of before birth including making The Choice.
1) The singularity question is just the “First Mover” argument. 2) Life evolved to match the constant values, those values were not set to facilitate life as we know it. 3) Multi-verse theories are used to explain phenomena that have been witnessed in mathematics and in experiment, no one is playing god by investigating the multi-verse. 4) When guy looks like this this cat, we should think two things: a) fried chicken; b) approval of slavery.
Insightful. Conclusion: A supernatural being created the universe.
Very succinct. Science says unequivocally that the universe cannot be it's own source or even supply its own logic. The ancients - east and west - knew that truth and God revealed it though the Prophets of Israel.
I agree with you. Inanimate matter lacks Consciousness and Intelligence, and is devoid of the intellectual faculty of perception, be it faulty or accurate. Before any 20th and 21st century C.E. (i.e. Common Era) geologists, mathematicians, physicists, and astronomers investigated, tested, after research, and made their conclusions; the Bible at Isaiah (who was the son of Amoz), at Chapter 40: Verse 22 stated "There is One who dwells above the [CIRCLE,] of the earth, ..." and at Verse 26, ... Because of his vast dynamic energy and awe-inspiring power, Not one of them is missing." The point Isaiah is revealing, is that the earth is geometrically CIRCULAR (or near spherical, round in shape); and NOT FLAT that the unlearned or uneducated of the past thought, and therefore, erroneously reasoned. (Quotations from the Bible were from the modern English language NWT or New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.)
Thanks God ☝Can't wait to see where you take us after this "experience". Its exhausting, but we're learning a lot here.
Never before, in the history of science, in virtually every technical discipline, has there been more EVIDENCE for the existence of God and the conscious universe.
It is possible to come to faith based upon an entirely statistical analysis.
There is so much evidence that it takes many books in biochemical, quantum physics, cosmology and nanotechnology to describe it.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
I love this video. It goes some of the stuff I was thinking and pondering over and learning in science... Twenty years ago!
I never questioned that the universe was created, but I am never able to adequately counter arguments from atheists and advocates of multi universes. Now we have the moist robot and the world is a "computer simulation" crowd. I wish I could carry Frank Tipler and James Tour around in my pocket to make the arguments for me.
Recommend you get Dr. Stephen Meyer’s latest book Return of the God Hypothesis to get a good counter-argument to the multiverse theory… Specifically, any multiverse generator capable of creating our specific universe had to be specifically fine tuned in order to do so. The equations can produce an endless supply of universes incapable of supporting life at all, unless the parameters of that engine were themselves fine tuned.
I wish PBS would interview Professor Tipler.
Never going to happen, they are part of the lie.
Chapter Al-Anbiya (The Prophets), Verse 30:
Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
Verse 31:
And We have placed on the earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them, and We placed therein broad highways for them to pass through, that they may be guided.
Verse 32:
And We have made the heaven a roof, safe and well guarded. Yet they turn away from its signs (i.e. sun, moon, winds, clouds, etc.).
Verse 33:
And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating.
(English translation, Mohsin Khan)
“God could do it, so he did.”
John Dun Scotus
His voice is so delightful that it makes this sound like a bed time story.
Thanks for the clear and precise tutorial.
I love this guy...
Regarding the Laws of Physics, I think a little Chestertonian logic is needed in the scientific community. We see a correlation. We see this correlation over and over again. We declare we have a "law." But, do we? Will this correlation we think is a law still endure a thousand years from now? Are the Laws of Physics really eternal and immutable? Or are they just our own way of describing the universe we observe today?
These so called scientists think that having an approximate idea of how Nature works gives them the right to use that knowledge to travel back in time to validate all of their crazy ideas and call them valid scientific theories.
It's like me saying that knowing that 2+2 is 4 and that days have 24hs is enough knowledge to remember what I had for lunch last Thursday
God is Great, and greatly to be praised. Amen.!!
So if the singularity gave rise to this universe and its laws… and we are manifestations of that energy… it means, in essence, we can not be anything else but that energy. We are the energy of the singularity that moulded itself into a human being (among other things) and we are experiencing ourselves, each from our own human vantage point. So, in other words, we all are (bits of) God. Is a sunbeam separate from the sun? When the ocean splashes a single drop of water in mid-air… is that drop an entity separate from the ocean? Or is it the ocean, in a drop?
It is difficult to imagine something that is not life as we experience it, since we do not know what else exists.
I was born in 1992... how can I even imagine what it was like in 1991? Probably not much different, but I can never know.
The Organic Singularity is Here and I Am
Frank Tipler said that it is clear that the universe had a singularity, although both models of the big bang, one being finite and the other being infinite are being debated. Can someone shed some light on why Frank Tipler is right?
I don't really think it's a question about Frank being right. More about is the maths, tests and observations right.
And so far nothing has shown them to be wrong.
It's interesting that he considers the Singularity as a Being
What else could it be?
well done
Thanks Frank"ie"" Those guys saying: "But what about only ONE (as opposed to two) facets to The, as your entire book puts it, Singularity. Well, I worked, helped ya before, Ill do it again. Rock ONptl#
Insightful. Thank you
With these truths we realize the creator must have a mind/ personality , ability to plan and prepare and to even change his mind. The bible says that wisdom , life , truth, GOD existed before anything that can be seen was made. But for spiritual clarity Jesus was God in the flesh and the bible teaches through him we have access to the Spirit /God! Not many different pathways with opposing viewpoints as we see when we view the different religions of the world. God so loved us that he not only revealed his loving and forgiving nature , his sacrificial love through Jesus , but he provided one way which simplifies the way to life. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life! No man comes to the father but through me! Simple because there should be no confusion. Different pathways lead to different ends. Follow Jesus and find life eternal!
Very good.🙂
Amen!
Beautiful. The fact that we are even capable of conceiving ideas to promote that other universes exist should make us question: What is it that made us individually capable of conceiving and believing in ideas that we ourselves cannot see? But we don't want to believe that an Invisible God exists. Yet the abilities that we have which enables us to determine a conclusion that we prefer, is in itself proof of the Invisible existence of God. Else we would all have come to the same conclusion.
So in other words, atheist cosmologists are jumping through hoops to avoid the obvious.
Think I’ll just settle in for what’s sure to follow. 🍿
Amazing
I like this guy
Indeed Allah has created the universe and he has no beginning and no ending and he is outside the time and space. He is one and only.
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.
Qur'an 112
There is no evidence nor Scripture that supports any idea that nothing exist outside our Universe, on the contrary, if we believe Scripture, YHWH is, was, and ever will be, and anything else proceeds from YHWH.
Cue the atheist comments!
It doesn't have to be linear.
5:58 Tipler says "The singularity really does control the evolution of the universe". I do not know what type of "control" Tipler is taking about. Is this control related to the singularity's rationality? Is this control distinguishable from the existing laws and theories of physics?
6:20 Tipler suggests the singularity controls things and has rationality, analogous to a human mind. Tipler is not using the term "singularity" as the communities of physics, cosmologists, and mathematicians use that word.
The ideas Tipler presents here will probably not spread in physics and cosmology. His ideas provide no further explanation for the big bang and the values of physical constants beyond what is known and/or necessary per the anthropic principle. He does not propose an experiment that would demonstrate the correctness of his interpretation and/or the incorrectness of other interpretations.
The anthropic principle is not an explanation. It actually avoids an explanation. It merely says that the laws of nature had to be life supporting or we wouldn’t be here. But that alone doesn’t explain anything at all. That definitely doesn’t prove the values couldn’t have been different. It ONLY says if they were different we wouldn’t know about it. And so when you say that the values of the physical constants are “necessary” you are yourself misusing that term. Necessary things cannot be otherwise. The constants of physics COULD have been otherwise… and we would not exist in that possible universe.
Also, when you say “He does not propose an experiment that would demonstrate the correctness of his interpretation…” you are actually missing the point. There is NO experiment that could be performed. This is not the case where we have one experimentally confirmed hypothesis that is causing materialists to conclude nothing else exists. This is a case of two starting ASSUMPTIONS that can never be experimentally proven, that then people use to interpret the data. Materialists cannot run any experiment to prove materialism. They simply assume it up front.
How do they know the billions of Earth revolutions around the sun before Earth and the sun were formed?
Nature from the Latin word natura. Essential qualities, but really means birth. All things and all phenomenon. So can anyone really speculate upon anything outside of everything? Nature actually means the singularity and all phenomenon. When a puzzle begins with a grave misconception, all to follow are misconceptions.
god can be explained in part, as if outside of time,space, matter...this intelligence and power, is far beyond what we could concieve. there would be no time, per se, in the entity known as god. and his power, and intelligence would that start the big bang, and the physical laws, and time, space itself. that actually makes sense. but since science can t explain god, of which, i don t think anyone can, as we are just people, we are the created. then, if they can t explain it, they tend to dismiss god. i think there is god, and i also think, that the physical laws themselves, and inflation shows this.]
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I like Tipler's definition of the singularity, that it is a supernatural entity. The "fine-tuning problem" is a problem for materialistic atheists but not for theists. Of course, there is no evidence that other universes exist. The singularity he is referring to is an intelligent being who wanted the universe as it is, hence the fine tuning. Fine tuning was intended to point to a supernatural entity with mind, power, eternality, and transcendental quality. The law of causality, by which scientists do science, forces one to believe the universe or some transcendental physical entity, such as gravity, created the universe from nothing. This is absurd, but there are many intelligent people who believe this without question, and if they question it, they are quickly cancelled, like Richard Sternberg. That's not the way people of science should act. They should be open minded if they are real scientists. According to their definition of science, real scientists will follow where the evidence leads. Fine tuning is one of those evidences that point to a rational, eternal, omnipotent being who created the universe.
Frank Tipler: "Outside of thee universe, which was created by the singularity and the singularity itself, there is nothing; no space, no time, no matter..."
God: No problem. 😎
Where’s all the comments?
So the “god” of an atheist is singularity. 😊
I believe the ‘god’ of the atheist was said to be the multiverse theory and themselves.
Maybe Hawkins gave that dislike right there...
Hmmm… so a professor at a Catholic university believes in Intelligent Design Theory? Shocking! 😮 (but not really 😐)
I don't like Tipler's "attitude". Why "antagonize" atheists?
I guess as long as this guy isn't at risk of harming himself or others...
In a infinite universe god existed infinite times.
So now we are renaming God to Singularity?
The supernatural being that created this world was an imperfect singularity. The flaw in this singularity was responsible for the disaster we refer to as the Big Bang. If the singularity had been truly perfect the Big Bang would not have been possible. Recall that in Genesis we read that God repented that He had made this world.
CORRECTION on a few things. The Singularity is not outside of space-time. The Singularity created Universe/space-time so as to be within it and experience it. You do not have free will "in here". You have a perfect simulation of free will "in here". But in actuality things happen the way they were meant to happen and couldn't happen any other way as a mathematical equation being worked out. You did however have free will choice to 'Enter' this Universe knowing the consequences yet chose to Enter anyway even knowing your memory would be wiped of before birth including making The Choice.
1) The singularity question is just the “First Mover” argument. 2) Life evolved to match the constant values, those values were not set to facilitate life as we know it. 3) Multi-verse theories are used to explain phenomena that have been witnessed in mathematics and in experiment, no one is playing god by investigating the multi-verse. 4) When guy looks like this this cat, we should think two things: a) fried chicken; b) approval of slavery.
So today the forbidden science is called God?
God is not a singularity.
He is a eternal living being.
Captain Jesus
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