Michael Egnor: The Evidence against Materialism - Science Uprising Expert Interviews
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- In this bonus interview footage from Science Uprising, neurosurgeon Michael Egnor discusses the evidence against materialism and explains how materialism undercuts rather than supports genuine science. Be sure to visit scienceuprising.com/ to find more videos and explore related articles and books.
Michael Egnor, MD (from Columbia University), neurosurgeon and professor of neurological surgery at Stony Brook University. Dr. Egnor is renowned for his work in pediatric neurosurgery. See www.thesun.co.uk/news/2516312....
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Well-known scientists have been preaching a materialistic worldview rather than presenting the public with all the evidence. We are here to change that. The objective scientific evidence does not prove our universe is blind and purposeless. It does not show we are simply meat machines. It does not prove that evolutionary mechanisms can completely account for the diversity of life on earth. This is what THEY want you to think. Think for yourself and make an informed decision.
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Astonishingly well delivered. No distracting background music, measured speech, deep domain knowledge and compellingly marshalled arguments backed with facts. If all subjects were addressed like this, we'd be in much better shape.
Nice to experience an education video like this, at TH-cam, that does not play background music or sound effects, as if I need to be "entertained" while listening to an expert talk.
We can't be "deluded that we have minds." A mind is required to have delusions. Bricks, rocks, and other inanimate objects can't be deluded.
@All About Britain Ask any eight-year-old with a laser pointer.
Hey, Dougie the Shoe!
Thanks for that excellent conclusion.
One would think this to be common sense. 😄
The reality is that if you are rigid materialist, you can't do good science. LOVE THIS. Keep fighting people, we are beginning to win the information war.
One man's opinion. Atheism is increasing throughout the world so don't get too excited
Man is more than body and mind. Man is a spirit that possesses a soul / mind and lives in a body
I love that my son sent this video to me! Listening/watching this video just once is just not enough. It deserves to be watched/listened to several times. The first time around, my brain was so busy just taking in what he was saying. The second and third time I watched/listened to this video my mind began to process what he was saying. This is fascinating subject! Many thanks to those who made, and shared this video. I may be 60+ y/o, but I still love to learn! We have SO much more to learn about the human brain! I want to continue to learn up until the day the Lord calls me home!
This is one of those rare interviews that I watch again and take notes. Thank for posting.
That free wont concept totally makes sense..
It is our duty to resist
Free will is a burden at times
I just loved this video. "Behind the universe is a mind, a grand mind that is reflected in the way the universe works." What we see is not all there is.
The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence. - Nikola Tesla
Sadly, that's probably why they don't want to. Too much progress would be bad for their materialist sociopolitical dogma.
No because that isn't how science works!!! Science requires that you have proof and can verify your proof and said proof has to be able to replicated. We can't study non physical things what you want us to study souls.
non-physical does not mean non-material. he was referring to electromagnetism. science, by the nature of science, cannot study what we cannot interact with.
@@Skyfoogle- Is it possible that we can still observe what we cannot interact with? If I wanted to do a study on spontaneous healing for example I could still gather evidence for this phenomenon from the before and after. From there I could survey if there was any common correlations such as the person receiving prayer or having a particular spiritual experience. This phenomenon is quite common and has been observed and medically documented.
There a person could examine if they can rule out coincidence for all or part of their sample. Perhaps a criterion for what constitutes a miracle might be established. For example if the event had a low probability and was accompanied by an intelligence or purpose. If for example you were praying for protection as a home invader entered your house and then was struck by a meteorite in the head while trying to take aim to shoot you. Still the question remains “Is that odd or is that God?” Perhaps there’s a statistical significance to justify the use of prayer.
But we’re talking about actually doing the investigation. Is the purist materialist going to do actual science and try to disprove that materialism is all there is? Probably not even though their own minds and thoughts are not just a domino effect down the line of the Big Bang. Otherwise why would they think arguing with Creationism makes any difference since the Creationist is nothing more than a product of time and chance outside of their control set into motion by an explosion of time, energy and matter. But how the materialist believes borrows from the Creationist belief in free will. Since we can’t even have Materialism without Intelligent Design and the concept of mind it’s impossible to account for everything starting from pure naturalistic causes. So what purpose does it serve to force ourselves to try and understand everything through naturalistic logic when it’s insane to presuppose that the mind we use to understand the universe is itself an accident?
So we just blindly follow Creationist dogma?
This is insane. This guy talks about it in such an easy to understand way it almost makes it sound obvious. Very profound stuff that most people are more than likely not attempting to integrate into their being.
Yeah, agree. Actually, it is obvious..."simple for the simple".
he explains how certain things the brain does are incredibly well localized, he then says certain things the brain does are less obviously well localized (which isn't 'quite true as electrical stimulation of small parts of the brain can make you feel emotion for one example) and says this is evidence for Dualism. Think about it, this doesn't prove anything, let allow our minds are made out of something bizarre that is immaterial and we have no evidence for.
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You betray a materialistic mindset when you say, “… our minds are made out of something bizarre that is immaterial …”
The point of this presentation is that our minds are not “made out of” anything. Thatʼs what “immaterial” means. “Immaterial” is not some other type of material; it means “no material involved.”
Matter cannot generate information, only a mind can do it. We receive information 24/7 , there is a universal mind that connects everything
I receive no information from your post, I guess the universal mind has blown a fuse.
That you noted it proves you did.
Why is it so difficult to understand that information lives in the abstract world of process and process is simply the behavior of matter? That mind isn't matter is abundantly obvious but that mind is the process of matter should seem equally obvious. Mind is abstract, immaterial. So is process but process is "of" matter so the assertion that mind is of matter in the same way should not cause any confusion. How it happens, well, that takes a pretty thick book to even begin to explain. Here's one that takes a pretty good shot at it... "Godel, Escher, Bach". Read it and you'll be in pretty good shape for understanding how.
I agree, but you wont convince an evolutionary Biologists
18:55 "There's no sign of any brain activity when you decide not to comply"
Incredible intellect on display here, and further evidence that we are not just a collection of cells evolved from a mud-puddle. I only wish the camera person was as good at their job during this interview, the poor Dr is jumping all over the frame because it was apparently filmed with a phone being held by someone. Please consider a $20 portable camera stand, it would do wonders and can be kept in a vehicle or even a briefcase.
If me pointing out the shaky camera work makes this harder to watch, just listen to it, the interview works just as well in audio-only form. I do appreciate the work of the Discovery Institute and I don't mean to be critical, but please make an effort to do better for viewers in the future.
The implications are staggering! 😱 This was a great analysis! 💯
I feel like my brain would have lit the lamps of an MRI machine had I watched this during an MRI procedure and my mind would’ve expected it to be so! Great vid!
Thankyou - I was taking copious notes on this lecture - Michael Egnor makes numerous points about research that shows a differentiation between mind and the matter of the brain. Then speaks of the clearly dualist implications. Very well thought out - and thought provoking.
It was the materialistic issues (e.g., first cause, abiogenesis, failings of natural selection to provide a mechanism for macroevolution, massive coverups and poor science, etc. ) which led me to check out the dualist camp of an intelligent designer.
And I would like to learn at a deeper level these clear lines of reasoning in regard to mind, intentionality and free will which also point to the same conclusion.
A proper worldview should provide the best explanation in all areas - as truth does not contradict itself.
I've been intrigued by the out of body experiences people have with near death experiences. Their consciousness leaves their bodies and functions independently of their brain activity. That tells me our consciousness is not generated by our brains.
Yes. NDE's that have included veridical perception, point toward and underline the fact that we are not our brains and that consciousness survives death and goes somewhere else after biological death. Some heaven/ dimension or reality is where we seem to travel after physical death of the body.
@@philosopher0076 I'm curious about #3 where Mr. Egnor says there are no "intellectual seizures," however, there are cases of "acquired savant syndrome" where a person develops profound mathematical or musical abilities following a brain injury.
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Brilliant research Thank God for brilliant Scientists like you!
I recommend Dr. Edward Fesers "Philosophy of Mind", he's a great modern thomistic philosopher & in his book he adresses all the alternative metaphysics.
In a universe of nothing but matter, nothing matters.
This video gave me chills. This is life-changing, world-altering stuff. I need a minute or 60.
I never believed in materialism i am so glad i stuck to that belief.
The experiment that described the evidence for the existence of Free Will (or Free Won't) is extremely interesting to those of us interested in Christian Philosophy/Theology, Specifically Molinism vs. Calvinism.
I wish I had free will -- I could lose 40 pounds! LOL! JK. Actually, come to think, I need Free Won't.... Blessings, E.C.
YES!!!! I love that part! For me, the evidence he shares quite literally substantiates the verse from the Bible, Love the Lord thy GOD with all thy Soul all thy Heart and all Thy MIND! Also the last 2 sections clearly edify this point =) Cheers!
Just two minutes into this and I keeping saying 'yes this is so good and so true' and I can't wait to listen the whole segment. It came at a right time when I need to write my essay. Thank you for uploading it !
This is an incredible presentation! Thank you!
Biologist's have tried to explain biology without the concept of purpose and they can't do it. Wow. That little nugget is priceless.
Wonderful lecture and conclusion. Materialism cannot explain awareness And, yes, purpose is the driver of everything and us all. I am sorry for all the Dawkins' of this world not to see the light.
the fact that humans can experience quantum mechanics with for example the douple gap experiment is evidence that there is more to this world than just matter
As CLEARLY documented, there IS anti-matter.
What there ISN'T is anything "paranormal", "supernatural", "spiritual" or "miraculous", which is why NEVER A PENNY of this money has ever been handed out:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal
Absolutly.
There once was a young man who said: "God - I think it exceedingly odd - That the sycamore tree - Continues to be - When there's no one about in the quad. - Dear Sir: Your astonishment's odd. - I AM always about in the quad, - and that's why the tree - continues to be, - observed by, - yours faithfully God”
I might add another component to this: a person's "Will." Let me explain through my own example. This is not vanity, this is truth.
With everything that's happened to me medically: only some examples being a brain injury, the resulting surgeries, and in other life events such as Hurricane Katrina, many people are surprised I'm still sane, (including me). And, I've also suffered from epilepsy--partial frustrating seizures, not full harmful seizures.
A few years ago, doctors tried to diagnose where the seizures came from by putting me in a hospital, decreasing my meds, and seeing what might happen. And, they found the seizures--but, according to the brain patterns, the seizures should have knocked me out. But, again, just partial seizures. Still sane, only partial seizures--the reason is Me. My willpower must be separate from my brain. Otherwise I'd at least be insane and probably dead.
Wow his point of teleology was brilliant. Nothing more needs to be said!
Absolutely amazing. Thanks for producing this video
Wow, I've seen so many videos of Closer to Truth that investigates the mind and counciousness and Dr. Egnor was way more brilliant that so many experts on the subject.
I would really like to see an interview with Kuhn and Egnor.
And I would really like to see Dan Dennet's opinions on these topics. I doubt his theory can get an even bit close to explain these topics.
The part with "free won't" is amazingly funny 😄
Great video
Is it free-want or free-won't. The caption show the latter but I think it is the former. What do you think??
All that I can say to this is ..hallelujah!!!!... awesome stuff. Thanks Michael Egnor.
Sir John Eccles said that the brain is a computer that a ghost can operate.
[Edit] Sam Harris take note.
The thing is this: believing in matter is believing in something we can never know. Like Kant pointed out, we can never experience a thing in itself, ONLY EVER our own PERCEPTION of it. You can only ever experience your own consciousness. Your experiences of matter is in fact only your experience of consciousness. So the only thing we can really know is experience. Believing in matter is a bit like superstition.
I keep watching this over and over! Its amazing. 💯❤️
This was FASCINATING !!!!! I LOVE IT !!!!! More like this Please!
Michael: This was wonderful ... most helpful. Thank you so much for elucidating a lot of gray areas. I humbly submit a couple of ideas that you probably already understand, but which are fundamental to this lecture.
#1: We are a tripartite being created in God's image. He is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We are spirit soul and body. These are separate and distinct entities. The inspired Scripture says, He formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul (Genesis 2:7). We must understand that we are a soul, we have a spirit, and we live in a body, (our spirit is God conscious, our soul is self conscious, and our body is world conscious) which brings me to point
#2: When we die our spirit and soul leave the body (this explains your surgeon friends inability to physically destroy the mind which is part of the soul).
Here are defining verses.
A. James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
B. Luke 8:54-55 But He ... took her by the hand and called, saying, "Little girl, arise." Then her spirit returned, and she arose immediately.
C: 1 Kings 17:21-22 And he ... cried unto the Lord, and said, "O Lord my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again". And the Lord heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.
this is the extremely shortened version. More is available if you wish.
God bless you.
Rob Carpenter
if materialism is true then you can have nothing to say about justice, other than what you can say with your fists
A really excellent interview. Thank you so much for posting this.
This is possibly the most interesting video I've ever seen. Thank you so much for sharing
never heard of the intellectual seizure argument it's hella amazing. also im new to this channel. love it!
Niether have I. It's a very good point to consider.
Absolutely fascinating interview, so telling of TH-cam that it has less than 200K views at the time of this comment - brilliant stuff
Many nuero scientists are understanding that mind and brain are separate. Ebon Alexander another surgeon /scientists who had a NDE confirms that the mind continues beyond death. Amazing testimony. Shalom
People with catastrophic brain damage are still self aware. They’re trapped in their inert body. That’s the most horrifying thing I’ve ever heard in my life.
We are wonderfully made in the image of our Creator: Body, Soul & Spirit and Mind, Will & Emotion!
Dr Egnor is so interesting and easy to listen to, his voice, coordinated facial expression and mannerism merge to produce a very interesting and easily listened to interview. I would like to learn more, any recommendations that support the belief materialism of being at least insufficient and does not explain the mind?
and the ending was brilliant : what's the point of trying to make sense of no sense(no design, no purpose, no free will, no destiny )?
Because we're programmed to do it just like all many other animals higher who navigate their environment using their minds to make decisions that aid in their survival and often their comfort.
This is such a lucid informative talk. Some of these experiments I had never heard of. Materialism is anti knowledge and unscientific.
Mind (the internal soul, syntropy) is dual to matter (the external soul, entropy) -- Descartes or Plato's divided line.
Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy).
Homology is dual to co-homology -- mathematics.
Reducing the number of dimensions or states is a syntropic process -- homology, hypervolumes become volumes which become surfaces or planes, planes become lines and lines become points which are zero dimensional.
Increasing the number of dimensions or states is an entropic process -- co-homology, points become lines, lines become planes, planes become volumes and volumes become hypervolumes.
Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics.
From a converging, convex or syntropic perspective everything looks divergent, concave or entropic -- the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
All observers have a localized or syntropic perspective -- a focused attention.
My syntropy is your entropy and your syntropy is my entropy -- duality.
Duality creates reality.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Ahh, but evolutionists/atheists need materialism or thier theories become obsolete.
@@jagdtiger9287 No. Science is the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. Science is by definition materialistic.
So refreshing to listen to clear thought simply expressed, by someone who doesn't feel the necessity to impress the listener. And yet he is mighty impressive! Thank you for sharing.
The more you are free to think the more you find out. OC.
We have a mentality problem, and as long as it remains ignored the longer it will take to find answers.
Our purpose is beyond our understanding We see the basics and assume the purpose but really don't comprehend its overall purpose. When we are free from the constraints of the physical brain the essence of our being will be revealed.
The free-will vs free-won't comparison is fascinating to me experientially in my life. My free-will has been delayed for a few periods of time I was taking triazolam for sleep. The next day after adenosine receptor antagonist (caffeine) consumption I would find myself wanting to perform an action but realized it would take me a full 1-2 seconds after deciding that I would engage.
Also, the free-won't is a concept taught to baseball players in that we teach them to conceptualize and then engage every pitch as worthy of swinging at...but to then decide to not swing when their brain recognizes the pitch as unhittable or out of the strike-zone.
Great but also simple, thank you!
Just Wow!! Very impressive! Enjoyed this very much. Going to think about it. Probably watch it again. It definitely shines another bright light on creation!
Excellent presentation
Excellent discussion I am glad I come across this segment. Thank you discovery science.
Great video. Let's have more like this.
i wish i could talk the this guy for an hour or two.
Thank you! I've been reading Dr. Egnors articles all through school.
Fantastic video!
WOW, It's great to see a new video of Dr. Michael Egnor! I've been enjoying his easy to understand articles for a WHILE now! This is truly TOP NOTCH stuff! Thank you so much to all of you!!!
years ago i heard materialistic view of #5, thank you for clarifying for me years later
Soooo interestng thank you. Explains some things.
#4 is the most profound. They are all very interesting but that one was extremely intriguing.
When is the book coming out?
Absolutely fascinating
This is an amazing video. What's with all the thumbs down? Atheists I presume. I love this mans perspective. Thanks Michael!
Wonderful video. So interesting. Thank you
excellent .... Thank you. This is so nicely stated I had to share it several places at FB
I was an athiest recently but after doing my own personal research on conciousness I do believe that we at least have a soul whether it be quantum or other.
I believe that perhaps there is such a thing as an invisible matter that may account for our soul and or the invisible process of thought.
If you read the Bible for yourself you will learn the truth about everthing. It tells you not only did the universe have a beginning, it tells you who made it and how He made it. Everything detectable is made from that which is undetectable (Scientists call it nothing 😂) Jesus spoke everything into existence, that's why they can't find anything. Prophecy proves the divinity of Jesus Christ. For 8 prophecies to happen by chance is mathematically impossible. The Old Testament prophesied over 300 events that Jesus fulfilled in His lifetime. Only God knows the end from the beginning. The Bible tells you that and the prophecies prove that. So no more proof needed. A simple example of the truth of the Bible that everyone can understand and no deny is, there are mountains, valleys, springs and pathways under the sea. How could anyone know that 4500 years ago. The man who discovered them read the Bible and believed. All Bible prophecies come to pass exactly as prophesied and that is historical FACT. Maranatha
Excellent discourse!...
A brilliant study of the mystery of existence, i hope there is a book to follow.
I figure every concrete/material "thing" has an "abstract" or immaterial level.
Example; writing on a page and its meaning.
meaning is all decoded inside our brains.
That would be complete minimization of the human experience IMHO.
Language is localized. Generally speaking, specific tasks that humans have done since there have been humans, those tasks have dedicated regions so they can be done more efficiently. Tasks that people do that are not usually necessary to survive, tasks where efficiency isn't crucial, those tend to be spread out and to use whatever brain resources are available to do those things.
If higher intellectual functions are not functions of the brain, but functions of a consciousness outside of the brain, can we develop an experiment to test this claim? Maybe we measure people's performance on some highly intellectual task, give random people a drug that could inhibit brain function, or just alcohol, and give a control group a drug that might make them feel strange but that does not inhibit brain function, and see if the two groups have comparable shifts in performance. What do you think would happen?
Oh look.. someone who actually understands how science works. First comment out of 100.
So in other words people must become experiment subjects to satisfy your ego. There are already many experiments done on humans, why do you need even more? What will that change? If you use drugs, the main functions of brain are going to trash. Any drug paralyzes the brain and keeps you in a state of dream, halusination etc. That has been done in previous years, from people that did not respect human rights, and you call for another similar experiment, instead of reading the conclusions of these people conclusions. Where or when will this experimental stage will stop? When will your ego is going to be satisfied? Why do you people want to be cruel to other people? How about if I'd take you and experiment on you, would you like to be my experiment subject thus, to make my own conclusions? Are you people mad on something. or someone?
Fact that at some point of history people fell for materialistic worldview is the biggest embarassment of humankind
This is amazing!
Very profound, thank you.
So it’s not localized but it can be a shared among various locations.
Lovely talk!
Deep! Very much enjoyed this!
Very interesting and informative. Real science.
Excellent presentation and insightful overview of mind vs brain. We knew someone in a deep coma who appeared to respond....
Wouldn't you need to have a mind in order for it to become diluted enough you to think you have a mind?
Amazing!
What an awesome video! So fascinating, exciting and scary. To have a soul and yet it being so limited by our functional bodies. Nice how some of the scientists he mentioned changed their mind based on their observations. Which is what science is.
When most picture the mind_ they see the brain. The mind is not a thing it is an activity.
An activity of a brain.
Daniel Doucet : I see it as a byproduct.
Yes!!!!
you really don't understand: the 'mind' is your councious activity in the perspective of your own experience as a subject. You cannot take away from the mind your subjective perspective as a sentient being and a thinker
How could this be explained?
Omfg, new favorite scientist over here! Glad we can rail against scientific dogma together my friends!
I think the spark of life that was discovered a few years ago is very important to this line of thought.
The Cambrian Explosion? If so, yes, it has killed Darwinism.
What about dementia or Alzheimer's? How does that reconcile with the points made here?
These individuals change a ton. What's the argument for the soul if these diseases can change the person so much?
I'm a Christian theist and I'm genuinely curious.
Maybe that is why he kept on stressing the concept of dualism; meaning that our mind is the result of two things. The physical brain and then something else embedded within the brain (our soul? Our true intellect?).
My understanding on these concepts is that the brain could be looked at more as a receiver than a producer. If you damage a radio, it may not work, or static, etc but the signal itself is still out there and fine... Just can't be picked up properly by the radio when it's damaged. So brain damage would do the same.. The signal would not be received properly any more and therefore... Well, static..
Everywhere we look we find the purpose of the place of things is to nurture the purpose of the place of other things. Every thing that is a thing attracts and resonates with the vibration of other that it harmonizes with and repels and is deaf to vibrations that are out of harmony with it. We can tune our receptors by intentionally choosing the vibration of Love in our hearts that will change the structure of our receptors to higher frequencies.
While I am not a materialist in general, I do have to point out that lobotomies can and do destroy a persons personality, sense of self, and reasoning abilities. The pre-frontal cortex is "damaged" by a needle inserted to the side of the eye and produces drastic changes to mental states. How is this not a case for Materialism?
Spot on.
What about mania, flight of ideas, hypergraphia and other examples of intellectual seizures?
Wow!! . . . great video!!!
Thanks, great video!
Neurosurgeon Michael Egnor started out sounding mechanistic in his argument to challenge materialism. That is he reported on studies that simply examined the functionality of the brain; specifically the relationship between the areas of the human brain to the body’s nervous system. The experiments used to study the brain were mainly done with applying external stimulus and noting the cause and effect of specific stimuli.
I was hoping for a discussion focused on the effects of psychedelic drugs i.e. LSD (Lysergic acid diethylamide). When small doses are taken, it can produce mild changes in perception, mood and thought. When larger doses are taken, it may produce visual hallucinations and distortions of space and time.
I can only go on what I have read and seen in documentaries but I am left thinking that LSD being a product of nature i.e. a substance found in ergot, which is a fungus that infects rye (grain). A substance that has been around and used by humans for thousands of years as a medium into the ‘spirit’ domain and to virtually catapult the human mind into patterns of thought that otherwise remained hidden from consciousness.