I just got a newer 4.25 tac and I’m over the moon. Love everything about it. The v8 porting does seem to make it slightly louder than others but the performance is outstanding.
I love the way that you break everything down on your videos. It doesn’t matter if you’re a new person to Firearms or a seasoned veteran, you can still understand all of the content. 👍
Thank you, that's the balance I try to offer so everyone can learn. I also try to back up any opinions or annecdotal statements with experience, hence one of the reasons I continue to train with various instructors and different firearms.
Very nice. Bull Armory hit the nail on its 2024 version of the SAS 2. All blacked out is much more appealing for me. Agree as well on your opinion, no optics for edc.
I have the EDC 4.25. For the money it's a great buy! A feature packed 2011. I also have a few STI 2011's. Both are very good but the STI fit and finish is better and you do get what you pay for. It's twice the price of the Bull Armory. The Bull Armory is a great 2011 for the money even with the minor things I don't like about it. It handles very quickly and light due to the aluminum frame. Trigger drops at a crisp 3-1/2 lbs. but does have more creep than I like, after hitting the 'wall' and before releasing the hammer. Reset is crisp and quick. Very predictable. I'm picky about trigger action. It is still a very good trigger action. Better than any production 1911 I've handled and better than some customs. The ambi safety levers design is perfect IMHO. Pads are plenty long and nicely narrow for concealed carry. IMHO.........Both safety detents are too light for Concealed Carry. This can be easily fixed with a stiffer plunger spring. The barrel chamber, feed ramp and bore are highly polished. Came with three, 18 round black steel mags that feed great. I like that they include this many. The mags have three cartridge witness holes on the spine that are not numbered and weirdly spaced. The bottom hole doesn't align with the 18th round or anything. There are two holes in the front of the mag that do nothing. Can't see anything through the holes. Maybe the odd holes are there to bleed water? The front green fiber optic rod should be a larger diameter. Kind of hard to pick quickly. I wish the black PVD slide coating was more durable. It scratches very easy and doesn't look real good. Frame is anodized and looks much better. I will probably have both DLC coated at some point. Glad I tore it down as soon as I did to check things. The fire pin spring was slightly rusted even though it was covered in oil. It is still functional. The Take Down Tool hole drilled in the recoil rod is not located properly. The hole needs to be located more towards the chamber end to be effective. The tool itself was the correct diameter, but the bent leg portion was too long which didn't allow it to be inserted with the slide locked back (just like in this video). I had to cut about 3/16" off of it to make it work. I'll re-drill the rod to the correct location and make a proper tool for take down in the future. The barrel hood does not contact the breech face when in Battery. It could have been fitted better.
One of the main advantages I've seen about using an optic is that I focus less on maintaining a sight picture, and more on trigger manipulation. That is with a stock Glock. I haven't tried the fiber front sight, but I think I would like that sight picture, and I could be fine without an optic.
Nice review as always. As far as dots, I’ll defer to a line from Quigley down under. Quigley shoots Dobkin, O'Flynn and Marston before they can even aim their guns, then walks up to the dying Marston] I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it.
Thank you for sharing this video of yours. Bul Armory makes extremely high quality 2311 pistols. My husband is still looking to purchase a 2311 / 2011 pistol. You're absolutely correct on the magazines made by or for Bul Armory. They are also less expensive than the 2011 magazines. A well known 2011 manufacturer recently semi acknowledged a magazine issue and is offering a new spring and follower. The new spring and follower make the magazine minus one round as well. Bul Armory pistol is still less expensive than another well known manufacturer in the USA. Even if my husband gets a 15 percent LE discount the price is slightly cheaper . Good for you, optics is a fad. It's making companies very wealthy. I'm hopping my husband goes with the Bul Armory 🧐 Awesome video of yours. Have a great day 😄🙏
Good overview as always Graham. After your range evaluation, I'd be interested in your opinion and preference between the steel frame TAC vs. the aluminum frame EDC model. Obviously, there is a trade-off between carrying comfort vs. recoil mitigation due to the weight difference.
I bought two sas II earlier versions. The mounting options were ill designed as the pin holding the bracket sheared into the carrier. Hopefully this design will avoid the earlier shortfall. Still waiting for warranty repairs 😢
Graham jus askin, witch 1 do u like more! Bull Armory or Grand Power? Absolutely love the videos, thank u for sharing ur knowledge an passion of gun's, much appreciated!
Oh boy! This means that the 2024 EDC line _should_ be the next to arrive! It is the one that both my wife and I plan on acquiring as a 'His & Hers' combo. I get the Pro with the ports and she gets the standard non-ported version. Although, I will be carrying hers (without the ports) as my new EDC pistol. Guess that means we are back to 'Hurry up and wait' once again. The story of my life. I just wish BUL Armory was more communicative. The manufacturer will tell you to talk to the distributor and vice versa. Just rinse and repeat. That is no way to run a business regardless of your whereabouts but I digress. Nevertheless, I am _thoroughly_ excited for this new 2024 EDC model. They really do listen to customer feedback. I have no shame admitting that I am among those that continually requested the flush fitting bull barrel. As well as the removal of the magwell for better concealment and comfort. As always, BUL Armory did not disappoint. Meanwhile, I must say that you have certainly earned my subscription. Excellent presentation, Graham. Stay classy my friend.
@@GBGuns Indeed they do. I have been a patron of BUL Armory for many years now, so I am glad to hear others have figured out the system. BUL Armory _was_ the best kept secret in the industry for the longest time. My selfishness certainly played a part in that role. However, they have earned their time to shine. Just happy to see that the quality has remained the same, if not better, over the years. Although, they still need to work on their communication. It was never their strong point. Not to be misconstrued with customer service. Inquiries will get you a boilerplate response. Whereas, warranty work is flawless. Overall, their customer service is above many others in the 2A industry. Stay classy my friend.
Great video good Sir. How were you able to get this gun? The website still has it listed as coming soon. Of the entire new 2024 lineup from Bul, the EDC was the one I was most interested in.
Thank you. I was sent an early one so that media could be out there for people to know if it's something they might be interested in or not. The article has tips for how to get one. In short you'll need to get on a list and be prepared to purchase as soon as you're notified. Most shipments last less than a few hours, but new shipments come every couple of weeks.
@@GBGuns Excellent. Appreciate the info man! If you happen to get your hands on the EDC Pro you should definitely post a comparison video. Keep up the great content.
@@MichaelYoung-j9z I'd love to, but am not sure if I will. As a defense-oriented shooter I have strong feelings about ports. I think they're generally a bad idea for any gun intended for defense as chances are pretty good that gun won't be used on a nice open-air range, but could be used in a car, room, or fired from close contact.
The only thing I’d like to see them do is an external extractor, and a full length rail/dust cover. It’s 2024 and we’re past tuning unreliable extractors, and if you’re gonna make the frame out of aluminum, then don’t worry about adding another inch to the front of it.
@@gbgunsmedia I think when Ben Stoeger got the Staccato to go off, the hammer stayed cocked, it was simply the firing pin going forward. No firing pin block.
They are all 70 series pistol. They DO NOT have a firing pin block like an 80 series. A strong firing pin spring should be used in all 70 series guns…. or any 80 series guns which have had the Firing Pin Block Safety disconnected to reduce the potential for an accidental discharge from dropping the gun.. An Extra Power spring also ensures the Firing Pin Stop stays in place during cycling. My EDC came with an EXTRA EXTRA POWER rated firing pin spring installed. Most modern 1911s and 2011s manufactures today supply the Extra Power springs as standard. Les Baer pistols come with an EXTRA EXTRA Power rated spring. Extra Power springs are typically 19 oz. and further reduces the chance of unintentional firing upon dropping the gun on the muzzle. Digital Scale weight of the Bull A. spring at the Standard 1911 static installed length (at rest length in the slide) of 1.545 was 24 oz.. Digital Scale spring weight of the Bull A. spring at the Actual Installed static length (at rest length in this slide) of 1.389” was 31 oz. !!! The installed static length of this Bull EDC is shorter than a typical 1911 and therefore exerts more spring tension on the pin. 31 oz. is the highest fire pin spring pressure I've ever seen. I see no reason to have such a strong fire pin spring. It can cause mis-fires. I'll be watching for mis-fires at the range and switch to less strong EXTRA POWER spring which is rated at the more commonly used 19oz..
This may be a stupid question, but why does no one make a "generic" optic cut that is flat with holes that match each pattern of optic, and posts that may be inserted in the required holes? You wouldn't need plate systems that would add height to the optics, and a set of pins (probably shouldn't need more than four and that would cover all patterns of optics) would cost much less than even a single adapter plate. It would also make it much easier to co-witness with irons without needing suppressor height sights.
I believe because you still need recoil lugs for the optic, otherwise all the stress ends up on the screws which eventually break. The closest thing to what you're talking about is the system used on the HS Produkt Echelon.
@GBGuns you would be right, sir. That is pretty much exactly what I was thinking. Kind of unfortunate they don't include that on any of their more compact handguns.
@BU1Lander I'm disappointed that they haven't expanded the line. It's a modular gun, but over a year later, we haven't even seen a compact grip option.
@GBGuns that would be extremely nice. I'd have to look over the specs to see a nominal width, but a grip frame that could use the 15 and 17 round Hellcat magazines might be quite nice.
FYI, that little hole in the rear of the barrel hood, is actually a cut-out for the extractor. So, you can drop the slide on an empty magazine without damaging the gun!
Ironically it broke while taking the pistol apart after the range session. Forunately I was able to reform it because....paperclips are hard to find, lol.
Full review with specs and sources: www.gbgunsdepot.com/post/bul-armory-edc
I just got a newer 4.25 tac and I’m over the moon. Love everything about it. The v8 porting does seem to make it slightly louder than others but the performance is outstanding.
Heard this about porting. Got non-ported for indoor training and retention practice.
My Bul Armory and Grand Power EDC’s are my favorites generally thanks the you, Graham.
They may not be for everyone, but after runnign a few hundred guns through the same protocols I feel I can safely have some favorites.
I love the way that you break everything down on your videos. It doesn’t matter if you’re a new person to Firearms or a seasoned veteran, you can still understand all of the content. 👍
Thank you, that's the balance I try to offer so everyone can learn. I also try to back up any opinions or annecdotal statements with experience, hence one of the reasons I continue to train with various instructors and different firearms.
I agree with you, Graham. I'm not a Red Dot fan, much prefer open sights, and I always replace the fibre optic filament with green fibre.😊
Very nice. Bull Armory hit the nail on its 2024 version of the SAS 2. All blacked out is much more appealing for me. Agree as well on your opinion, no optics for edc.
Thanks for the Bul content keep it coming!
More on the way!
That is a great optic cut design! I'm saving my pennies for this pistol, and I'll gladly pay for the upgrades this pistol has over the older model.
Optic Mounting Post - should be the:
Universal Standard!
Excellent review
Thank you so much great job
I have the EDC 4.25. For the money it's a great buy! A feature packed 2011. I also have a few STI 2011's. Both are very good but the STI fit and finish is better and you do get what you pay for. It's twice the price of the Bull Armory. The Bull Armory is a great 2011 for the money even with the minor things I don't like about it.
It handles very quickly and light due to the aluminum frame.
Trigger drops at a crisp 3-1/2 lbs. but does have more creep than I like, after hitting the 'wall' and before releasing the hammer. Reset is crisp and quick. Very predictable. I'm picky about trigger action. It is still a very good trigger action. Better than any production 1911 I've handled and better than some customs.
The ambi safety levers design is perfect IMHO. Pads are plenty long and nicely narrow for concealed carry.
IMHO.........Both safety detents are too light for Concealed Carry. This can be easily fixed with a stiffer plunger spring.
The barrel chamber, feed ramp and bore are highly polished.
Came with three, 18 round black steel mags that feed great. I like that they include this many. The mags have three cartridge witness holes on the spine that are not numbered and weirdly spaced. The bottom hole doesn't align with the 18th round or anything. There are two holes in the front of the mag that do nothing. Can't see anything through the holes. Maybe the odd holes are there to bleed water?
The front green fiber optic rod should be a larger diameter. Kind of hard to pick quickly.
I wish the black PVD slide coating was more durable. It scratches very easy and doesn't look real good. Frame is anodized and looks much better. I will probably have both DLC coated at some point.
Glad I tore it down as soon as I did to check things. The fire pin spring was slightly rusted even though it was covered in oil. It is still functional.
The Take Down Tool hole drilled in the recoil rod is not located properly. The hole needs to be located more towards the chamber end to be effective.
The tool itself was the correct diameter, but the bent leg portion was too long which didn't allow it to be inserted with the slide locked back (just like in this video). I had to cut about 3/16" off of it to make it work. I'll re-drill the rod to the correct location and make a proper tool for take down in the future.
The barrel hood does not contact the breech face when in Battery. It could have been fitted better.
One of the main advantages I've seen about using an optic is that I focus less on maintaining a sight picture, and more on trigger manipulation. That is with a stock Glock. I haven't tried the fiber front sight, but I think I would like that sight picture, and I could be fine without an optic.
Nice review as always. As far as dots, I’ll defer to a line from Quigley down under.
Quigley shoots Dobkin, O'Flynn and Marston before they can even aim their guns, then walks up to the dying Marston] I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it.
The 5" is badass
I've heard good things about the 5" models but haven't shot one yet.
@GBGuns I got a Axe Hatchet C. ITS NICE
@@dannydowell9979 Yes, the Axe line are great, really the most I think one can get from teh Glock platform.
Thank you for sharing this video of yours. Bul Armory makes extremely high quality 2311 pistols.
My husband is still looking to purchase a 2311 / 2011 pistol.
You're absolutely correct on the magazines made by or for Bul Armory. They are also less expensive than the 2011 magazines.
A well known 2011 manufacturer recently semi acknowledged a magazine issue and is offering a new spring and follower. The new spring and follower make the magazine minus one round as well.
Bul Armory pistol is still less expensive than another well known manufacturer in the USA.
Even if my husband gets a 15 percent LE discount the price is slightly cheaper .
Good for you, optics is a fad. It's making companies very wealthy.
I'm hopping my husband goes with the Bul Armory 🧐
Awesome video of yours. Have a great day 😄🙏
Nice review as always... bull is such a difficult firearm to find and have yet to actually see one anywhere
And you likely won't. They don't push through distribution, you have to order one direct. I have tips on how in the article
Good overview as always Graham. After your range evaluation, I'd be interested in your opinion and preference between the steel frame TAC vs. the aluminum frame EDC model. Obviously, there is a trade-off between carrying comfort vs. recoil mitigation due to the weight difference.
We covered that last week on the other channel: th-cam.com/video/VkQjUIX8tWA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=9G3xWa3q_VX90MWD
@@GBGuns Thanks. Will check it out.
I bought two sas II earlier versions. The mounting options were ill designed as the pin holding the bracket sheared into the carrier. Hopefully this design will avoid the earlier shortfall. Still waiting for warranty repairs 😢
Daddy needs a steel frame version please.
Graham jus askin, witch 1 do u like more! Bull Armory or Grand Power? Absolutely love the videos, thank u for sharing ur knowledge an passion of gun's, much appreciated!
Oh boy!
This means that the 2024 EDC line _should_ be the next to arrive! It is the one that both my wife and I plan on acquiring as a 'His & Hers' combo. I get the Pro with the ports and she gets the standard non-ported version.
Although, I will be carrying hers (without the ports) as my new EDC pistol. Guess that means we are back to 'Hurry up and wait' once again. The story of my life.
I just wish BUL Armory was more communicative. The manufacturer will tell you to talk to the distributor and vice versa. Just rinse and repeat. That is no way to run a business regardless of your whereabouts but I digress.
Nevertheless, I am _thoroughly_ excited for this new 2024 EDC model. They really do listen to customer feedback. I have no shame admitting that I am among those that continually requested the flush fitting bull barrel. As well as the removal of the magwell for better concealment and comfort.
As always, BUL Armory did not disappoint.
Meanwhile, I must say that you have certainly earned my subscription. Excellent presentation, Graham.
Stay classy my friend.
Thank you. In the article I have some tips about how to get your hands on one. They have a system.
@@GBGuns Indeed they do.
I have been a patron of BUL Armory for many years now, so I am glad to hear others have figured out the system.
BUL Armory _was_ the best kept secret in the industry for the longest time. My selfishness certainly played a part in that role. However, they have earned their time to shine. Just happy to see that the quality has remained the same, if not better, over the years.
Although, they still need to work on their communication. It was never their strong point. Not to be misconstrued with customer service. Inquiries will get you a boilerplate response. Whereas, warranty work is flawless.
Overall, their customer service is above many others in the 2A industry.
Stay classy my friend.
Great video good Sir. How were you able to get this gun? The website still has it listed as coming soon. Of the entire new 2024 lineup from Bul, the EDC was the one I was most interested in.
Thank you. I was sent an early one so that media could be out there for people to know if it's something they might be interested in or not. The article has tips for how to get one. In short you'll need to get on a list and be prepared to purchase as soon as you're notified. Most shipments last less than a few hours, but new shipments come every couple of weeks.
@@GBGuns Excellent. Appreciate the info man! If you happen to get your hands on the EDC Pro you should definitely post a comparison video. Keep up the great content.
@@MichaelYoung-j9z I'd love to, but am not sure if I will. As a defense-oriented shooter I have strong feelings about ports. I think they're generally a bad idea for any gun intended for defense as chances are pretty good that gun won't be used on a nice open-air range, but could be used in a car, room, or fired from close contact.
Have you found what holsters will work with that beauty? Owb and iwb
First time to your TH-cam channel and content. Great information. That you! I'm actually going to get the EDC PRO. God bless! Be safe!
🤙🪖👮🙏🇺🇲
I brace my support had the same way on the rail. Great review brother!
Thank you
I bought 2 toro slides for my gfs g3c and my g3. And they have 2 notches on each optic cut. I was impressed with it when i bought them 2 years ago.
The only thing I’d like to see them do is an external extractor, and a full length rail/dust cover. It’s 2024 and we’re past tuning unreliable extractors, and if you’re gonna make the frame out of aluminum, then don’t worry about adding another inch to the front of it.
The full length dust cover is on the TAC model
@@GBGuns the commander sized model too?
@@Bryan-1980 Yes, did you miss my article?
@@GBGuns sorry, been super busy lately. Haven’t had time to look at much since before shotshow.
The Bul guns are super nice. But I wonder if they’re drop safe? Series 70 slide type internals? Ben Stoeger showed Staccatos are not drop safe. 😮
I would think the grip safety helps with drop-safety. Maybe the Staccatos don't have enough spring pressure on the grip safety?
@@gbgunsmedia I think when Ben Stoeger got the Staccato to go off, the hammer stayed cocked, it was simply the firing pin going forward. No firing pin block.
They are all 70 series pistol. They DO NOT have a firing pin block like an 80 series. A strong firing pin spring should be used in all 70 series guns…. or any 80 series guns which have had the Firing Pin Block Safety disconnected to reduce the potential for an accidental discharge from dropping the gun.. An Extra Power spring also ensures the Firing Pin Stop stays in place during cycling.
My EDC came with an EXTRA EXTRA POWER rated firing pin spring installed. Most modern 1911s and 2011s manufactures today supply the Extra Power springs as standard. Les Baer pistols come with an EXTRA EXTRA Power rated spring. Extra Power springs are typically 19 oz. and further reduces the chance of unintentional firing upon dropping the gun on the muzzle.
Digital Scale weight of the Bull A. spring at the Standard 1911 static installed length (at rest length in the slide) of 1.545 was 24 oz..
Digital Scale spring weight of the Bull A. spring at the Actual Installed static length (at rest length in this slide) of 1.389” was 31 oz. !!!
The installed static length of this Bull EDC is shorter than a typical 1911 and therefore exerts more spring tension on the pin. 31 oz. is the highest fire pin spring pressure I've ever seen. I see no reason to have such a strong fire pin spring. It can cause mis-fires. I'll be watching for mis-fires at the range and switch to less strong EXTRA POWER spring which is rated at the more commonly used 19oz..
Anyone found a place to buy the BUL Armory 1911s?
Celebrate your inner Fudd as I do.
I just like stuff that works when I need it to.
What do you think about the optic that Bul has?
I haven't tried them
Hey man what holster u use for edc.?
Tier 1 Concealed iwb
Seem to be unobtainium...
Shipments come every couple of weeks, the article has tips on how to get one.
This may be a stupid question, but why does no one make a "generic" optic cut that is flat with holes that match each pattern of optic, and posts that may be inserted in the required holes? You wouldn't need plate systems that would add height to the optics, and a set of pins (probably shouldn't need more than four and that would cover all patterns of optics) would cost much less than even a single adapter plate. It would also make it much easier to co-witness with irons without needing suppressor height sights.
I believe because you still need recoil lugs for the optic, otherwise all the stress ends up on the screws which eventually break. The closest thing to what you're talking about is the system used on the HS Produkt Echelon.
@GBGuns you would be right, sir. That is pretty much exactly what I was thinking. Kind of unfortunate they don't include that on any of their more compact handguns.
@BU1Lander I'm disappointed that they haven't expanded the line. It's a modular gun, but over a year later, we haven't even seen a compact grip option.
@GBGuns that would be extremely nice. I'd have to look over the specs to see a nominal width, but a grip frame that could use the 15 and 17 round Hellcat magazines might be quite nice.
This is a minor point, but why not have the rectangular recoil lug oriented horizontally for more surface area?
FYI, that little hole in the rear of the barrel hood, is actually a cut-out for the extractor. So, you can drop the slide on an empty magazine without damaging the gun!
That's one awesome pistol 😄. That custom tool you developed should be worth $45.00 shipping included 🧐
Ironically it broke while taking the pistol apart after the range session. Forunately I was able to reform it because....paperclips are hard to find, lol.
🧐😄😄😄😄. You and Toya have a great day.
Those are beautiful pistols... I like the magazines being blued as well.
Thank you again...
Which one do you prefer the tac or the edc?
We commented on that in the comparison range video
Took me a min to get the link. It's on the second channel th-cam.com/video/VkQjUIX8tWA/w-d-xo.html
Does it have a firing pin safety?
No, this is a 70's series build
The search continues.
Thanks.
I tried with the paperclip and it won't fcking stay in place. So it looks like the gun would get oil and thats it.
Tactikitty tax paid right at the end.
Was it you that mentioned there’s a Bul Armory site that is a scam site? If so you may have just saved my bacon my friend!
Yes I did. I provide the safe links in the pinned comment
It s not like this when you want to take the guide with the bul’s tool!
th-cam.com/video/mt2vV2mTtpw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=WOW9bivJ3HNXHyg-
Kitty :))