Please rewatch Star Trek at the end of the war here the state of things 1) dominion no longer a threat as they surrendered and Odo rejoined the link 2) cardassians experienced a near genocide at the hands of the dominion 3) klingon military needs rebuilding and is allied with the federation 4) Romulans still a credible threat however not ready for another war and there is a starfleet spy running the tal shiar 5) voyager is soon to return home with technology to defend against the borg Also: Starfleet may have hierarchical command structure but it was not intended to be a military but rather and exploratory organization
The Borg played a huge, huge role in the design of the newer Starfleet vessels. The Norway, with its lance phaser, presents us with a 'big gun' on a mid sized ship. Starfleet, at least for awhile, was clearly moving away from building colossal ships with lots of resources in them for splitting those resources out towards multiple ships, multiple targets for the Borg to keep track of, calculate and target and destroy. With some irony, Starfleet was already shifting towards a swarm tactic before the ill fated encounter with the Odyssey and Jem Hadar scarabs. Anyway, the Norway might not look very sexy, but it's packing that lance phaser, so it's sort of an 'energy artillery' specialty ship.
Starfleet is dumb. Those nebula class ships are big enough to act as carriers/ support logistics for several defiants. Used tactically, two defiants escorting any one of those mid level ships like the Norway with fire support from ships that can fire long range and you'd have some decent fire teams capable of fighting offensively in a large theater.
Very interesting to watch. Both parts in fact. If your primary goal is cargo logistics as well as defence, consider that ANY ship can be modified within its bulkheads to accommodate whatever mission is before it. If you can modify an Excelsior to have more firepower, some decks would have been refit to hold the power components and weapons (extra torpedoes for instance) and other departments and systems would have been removed. There is nothing to say that you can't clear out while decks on any ship to accommodate increased cargo capacity. Something like botany or Stella cartography wouldn't be needed on a defensive cargo run so it can be removed. If a Saber has the firepower, and you can clear out one or two decks to hold extra cargo, then it could be viable to perform that role. As for the ambassador class in part one, yeah they are bulky and have shit impulse engines, but ships are manoeuvred by thrusters, not the impulse engines. Upgrade them to give them more manoeuvrability, then you have another class with cargo capacity that can also do the job 😊🖖
Depends whats going in it as way of cargo, people talk about the Millenium Falcon being very small for freight.....but we transport things everyday in trucks and vans. You could fit a lot of gear in a miranda still I think.
This is true but he is referring to the Sabre or the Miranda as frontier transport ships. For the roll that is going to mean a lot more heavy bulky infrastructure unlike with the federation where industrial replication networks are far more abundant. I think both a small ship such as one of these is probably needed but you are defiantly going to need a large cruiser to haul the bigger items and probably colonists since you want them on a heavily protected ship.
I would guess that the Lakota took 6 months to upgrade because it was the first Excelsior to be upgraded, presumably there was a lot of fiddling and fine tuning, any future upgraded Excelsiors would likely be done more quickly as the Dominion war upgrades would probably be standardized based on the experience with the Lakota. I would guess they could shave 6-8 weeks off, depending on how well maintained the base ship is. But that's just my thoughts on it.
I like the corrections, but I agree it does depend on the mission profile. I love the Defiant class, but you're right that it's not really suited for deep space missions. It would need a refit that works out its power issues and the addition of a holodeck if only for scientific/training purposes. Until then, I agree that they work better for defense of a stationary target like a planet or station. My only real issue with the Excelsior is that it's such a chunky girl. It needs a lot of crew. I'm not sure what the stats on the Centaur class are, but I would love to know if you can get the same or similar amount of firepower on the Centaur or a similarly sized ship without the time/expense of building or refitting an Excelsior. If they could upgrade the Lakota, a ship design that's been in service for 100-ish years, I don't see why they aren't building their new ships to be better or more upgradable than the Excelsior. If anything, I would rather spend the time/money to take the Intrepid class and give it more firepower since it's already fast, has great sensors, has holodecks for long missions, and bioneural gel packs that should be able to operate the new upgrades.
They did an Explorer Refit for the Defiant in the books where they swapped out the 2 Shuttlebays folks forget about, #1 & #2 (that raise 2-Type 18 shuttlepods each to the top of the dorsal hull and then launch) for 1 Holo-Deck & an Astrometrics Lab (with additional sensor installation) & the ship got a 2nd Type 10 Shuttlepod (a good shuttlepod, it can reach Warp 5) in Bay 3. They also carried some extra Probes (like the Multi-Spatial Probe Voyager built & brought home), Science Officers, and made use of the 2 science labs that are standard for the ship. It only explored for 3 of 4 months before coming home, but it's not bad (plus it was taking new star-charts with 10x the accuracy of the old ones).
I see the Excelsior class like the Modern day Ticonderoga class Cruisers. We're not building any more and we haven't for a while, but we keep updating the ones we have to be as capable as we can make them. Until eventually we retire them all.
Just a thought regarding the Defiant. You note that O'Brian is well aware of the limitations of the original but, was able to vastly improve its capabilities, granted that this was at the risk of possible system failures and greatly increasing the ship's maintenance needs. While you are building the new fleet, I would reassign Engineering Chief O'Brian over a team to research & redesign a second generation Defiant class from the "ground up" so to speak. As gifted as he is, I think that O'Brian's team would certainly be able to retool a far superior version by the time you are ready to start production.
The Nova Class is for science missions inside Federation space but has better defensive and offensive weapons just in case unlike the Oberth Class that we all know would blow up if a enemy ship looked at it the wrong way. You are correct it is definitely not meant for combat unless it has no choice.
I believe in Canon. The sabre was mass produced and was the largest class in terms of numbers. Serving. And reminded in high production, along with the nova and akira. As replacements for ( oberth, miranda and excelsior) . I believe they built several hundred steamrunners . ( around 300), and they were used in border patrol often. But post war they had thousands of ships to replace, and they wanted modern and less crew intensive ( starfleet lost over 500 thousand people in the war ) and economically . The federation had to recover from the war , rebuild the fleet , repair damage to federation worlds and colonies , but also the assistant the cardassian reconstruction. ( like the Marshall plan post ww2 )
With the defiant I'd take a page out of the vulcan playbook and produce a 'travel ring' it can be docked into, that provides amenities to the crew and solves the overtuned power grid problem by largely not using it when not necessary. It'd still be a very bad idea to use too many, but a small wing of them would be effective enough to make the logistics headache worth it.
Also worth considering are the non starfleet civilian federation merchant fleets that i would imagine would be pressed into service during this time of emergency. Also consider hiring out to for example the Ferangi who firmly believe that war and peace are both good for business and thus would be happy to perform cargo runs. And nobody want to screw with the ferangi merchantmen because they have THE ULTIMATE TRUMP CARD: CONTROL OF LATINUM. so i could easily imagine the federation hiring a fleet of Ferangi transports especially early on while they get the new fleet sorted out as a stop gab. for the steam runner: do not forget its also a powerful torpedo boat, it has 4 rapid fire forward tubes and all around phasers so it's a good light cruiser and artillery ship in a battleline. the Nova was basically a straight replacement for the Oberth which is classified as a "survey ship" it's not a long range explorer. Basically it's an Oberth that can actually fight back. we see this on full tragic display with the USS Equinox with the crew basically going insane as they simply do not have the extra features as the Intrepid. As for the Lokota type refits i agree with what @andrewbutton2039 says. Don't forget a lot of the surviving Excelsior from the dominion war would be in TERRIBLE condition as we see in that one fleet shot in DS9 showing all those badly damaged ship being towed that might actually reverse this in favour of simply building new ships from the keel up being more cost effective then fixing up and refitting a bunch of badly damaged Excelsiors. Additional thoughts: The Norway-Class has huge potential with a simple refit filling in that ludicrous gap between the nacelles with a modular cargo area that could make a really good supply or troop ship as seen on the ECS Atagarii a post dominion war armed freighter: www.deviantart.com/isfj1009/art/Star-Trek-Atagarri-Schematics-849971026 I would also use the Galaxy and nebula as super transports because they just have SO MUCH SPACE you could easily transport 10,000 people with room to spare or equivalent cargo.
Instead of building Defiants for station/colony defense, I would assign a Steamrunner with 3 Sabres as a regional squadron and supply... the Lakotas can ferry supplies to the squadron to deliver...that way if there is any kind of conflict, you have a small heavy hitting squadron that can defend itself. Lakotas, if needed, can rapid deploy from convoy duties, would be out there to support and significantly increase firepower to the squadron and station/planetary defenses. At least hold the line until main fleet arrives. Also the existing Novas I would delegate to Starfleet Acadamy to train cadets on modern ship systems to transition to into ships coming on-line.
The original two nova vlass vessels were slow, warp 8 civilian model . But post-war, a third nova type and all other novas were upgraded with the latest engines. In Star Trek nemesis, the USs nova is part of the starfleet battlegroup , travelling at best speed to met the enterprise, and she is keeping up with galaxy and sovereign vessels. They must be travelling at Warp 9 .2 . ( thier is a defiant vessel, either them . 9.2 to 9.5 in an extreme emergency) is top speed for them . . I believe they did build more Norway class with the latest shields. As part of the mirada replacement. .
@20:16 'Lakota Excelsior stronger than Defiant' is a nonsensical argument for 3 main reasons. The Lakota was trying to disable the Defiant, not destroy her, but the Defiant was defending itself, not trying to destroy the Lakota. If you're going to defend that the Lakota didn't use its quantum torpedoes, well neither did the Defiant. Secondly, saying that it takes 1 year to build a Defiant and 6 months to upgrade a Lakota, yes that's an upgrade, not also including the time to construct that ship. Lastly, if a Lakota Excelsior was more powerful than a Defiant, Starfleet wouldn't have bothered designing a Borg Killer if a Kirk Era ship just needed a tuneup
If starfleet was smart they would take page out of klingon fleet manual bird a prey ships. By taking tue defiant class and making different sizes for different mission profiles..
We saw in Voyager, just how much better equipped an Intrepid was over an Nova. A Nova clearly can't handle shit in comparison way out in unknown space.
Maybe use a cargo ship both civilian and starfleet have specific ships for transporting cargo just a thought??? The war is over and military escort is not really necessary that what convoys are for a group of weaker cargo ships can still take on raiders
the miranda class are the work horses of the fleet they may be old but have there uses star fleet has to stop putting thousands of crew on ships and cut it by 60% when u lose 1 u don't lose thousands
You're only going to be using the defiant for combat and to escort. The defiant is perfect. Not to mention later versions solved your issues with the defiant.
What if some of the excelsior were upgraded in the field during the dommion war i am sure the engineers can be resourceful then they need to be creative
I'm not sure what you are saying, the bulk of the goods transported from one system to another are done by commercial freighters, in times of war, these freighters are grouped into convoys and protected by starships. With that being said, there are some cargoes that are too valuable to transport that way, and that's when starships come into play. These military cargoes are normally able to be transported by any reasonably sized starship. The Miranda class has a cargo capacity of 15,000mt's. The Sabre class has a cargo capacity of 9,954mt's. The Steamrunner class has a cargo capacity of 19,360mt's You can see the Miranda is the clear cost to weight ratio winner. And since the Excelsior features prominently in your video, it has a cargo capacity of 35,200mt's
@@trekwars5400The TNG didn't really feature many different classes of starships. DS9 Featured the Miranda slightly more prominently. However the Dominion war, featured them heavily, the 7th fleet that was nearly wiped out, had numerous older generation starships including many Mirandas. The Federation Cardassian war Mirandas played important roles. The Miranda was/is still a very capable ship even though it is sometimes maligned like the Oberth, which itself is still a good ship as long as it is used in it's designed role.
There's not any one place it's mostly me watching the TV show writing down whatever events take place with the ships being attacked and then creating data tables.. and then from some of the manuals I convert them to my data tables
Here what your not taking in mix here guys every excesuler well be getting the Lakota up graded reguardless.so it not really a factor in this mix.and as for the defiant depending on the star base size ever Starbase should have 1 to 6 asignied perminatly as part of the Starbase espicaly all stardocks
Not every Excelsior had the Lakota upgrade that is especially not seen during sacrifice of angels Excelsior gets taken out 2 shots Akira dies in five shots Enterprise and Warbirds take five shots and keep on going
nobody messes with the defiant class she may be little but got teeth and can fight and only 50 per ship lakota class takes much more to crew plus o'brien solved the engine problem when it first came to ds9 i'm sure it was pass on to other ships so buddy your wrong about them
Again these ships are not static designs they are constantly upgraded and refitted just as modern warships are today that periodically receive enhancements throughout their service life. A Excelsior class in 2390 is a totally different animal than one from 2290. If the space fame was assembled in 2290 and it was still in service say 80 years later its systems would have been upgraded several times at least. By 2385 there were no galaxy class ships with the same systems as when they were launched in the early 2360's they were all upgraded and retrofitted probably using a block system like we use today in modern warships. So perhaps the initial run of Galaxy's launched in the early 2360's would all be retrofitted and by 2380 be classed as a Galaxy 1 Block IV (indicating 4 major refits or upgrades that change the capabilities in a major way to match later runs) with about the same stats and standards of the second run later but also in 2380 listed as Galaxy 2 Block III or same year again in 2380 with a 3rd run would be by this time a Galaxy 3 Block II but all with similar capabilities or as close as the space frame would allow. Do you see the logic of the nomenclature? This is for certain how it would work especially with a great power that had the resources and the ability to keep a large deep space fleet deployed and well maintained. If you want to compare ships either say a Galaxy 1 from 2360 vrs a Sovereign 1 from 2380 or be even more specific as a Galaxy 1 Block IV vrs a Sovereign 1 Block II which would probably indicate a certain time period. Year by year this nomenclature would change as each ship was retrofitted to a higher standard with the attempt to keep the ship relevant to the latest technology and abilities. Perhaps each space frame had its own limits but you can bet that work a rounds and adjustments would be made to augment the vessel to the highest ability possible to match the capabilities of all vessels in that class. This is how modern navy's work and its logical to assume that star fleet would be the same. But I think for example its safe to assume a Galaxy class launched in 2063 if still in service has different shield generators in 2085 and probably with many times upgraded or replaced all the internals from computer to sensors to holodecks to warp cores and other enhancements. What you would not find I am sure is a 40 year old galaxy class with the same exact systems and capabilities in the year 2400 as when it was launched 40 years prior.
A couple of corrections my friend, armor is ablative (a-blat-tive) armor not albasive and the other Defiant class was the Valiant not the Valkyrie.
Well.... A quick correction. It's (a-blate-iv) armour.
Homie.... it’s A-BLA-TIVE. Ablative armor; derived from the verb ablate (to remove, to shed).
He really needs to watch these shows and learn how to pronounce these words. His word pronunciations are terrible.
Please rewatch Star Trek at the end of the war here the state of things
1) dominion no longer a threat as they surrendered and Odo rejoined the link
2) cardassians experienced a near genocide at the hands of the dominion
3) klingon military needs rebuilding and is allied with the federation
4) Romulans still a credible threat however not ready for another war and there is a starfleet spy running the tal shiar
5) voyager is soon to return home with technology to defend against the borg
Also: Starfleet may have hierarchical command structure but it was not intended to be a military but rather and exploratory organization
Her name was Elizabeth Shelby lol great vid my friend 🖖
The Borg played a huge, huge role in the design of the newer Starfleet vessels. The Norway, with its lance phaser, presents us with a 'big gun' on a mid sized ship. Starfleet, at least for awhile, was clearly moving away from building colossal ships with lots of resources in them for splitting those resources out towards multiple ships, multiple targets for the Borg to keep track of, calculate and target and destroy. With some irony, Starfleet was already shifting towards a swarm tactic before the ill fated encounter with the Odyssey and Jem Hadar scarabs.
Anyway, the Norway might not look very sexy, but it's packing that lance phaser, so it's sort of an 'energy artillery' specialty ship.
Starfleet is dumb. Those nebula class ships are big enough to act as carriers/ support logistics for several defiants. Used tactically, two defiants escorting any one of those mid level ships like the Norway with fire support from ships that can fire long range and you'd have some decent fire teams capable of fighting offensively in a large theater.
Very interesting to watch. Both parts in fact.
If your primary goal is cargo logistics as well as defence, consider that ANY ship can be modified within its bulkheads to accommodate whatever mission is before it.
If you can modify an Excelsior to have more firepower, some decks would have been refit to hold the power components and weapons (extra torpedoes for instance) and other departments and systems would have been removed.
There is nothing to say that you can't clear out while decks on any ship to accommodate increased cargo capacity. Something like botany or Stella cartography wouldn't be needed on a defensive cargo run so it can be removed.
If a Saber has the firepower, and you can clear out one or two decks to hold extra cargo, then it could be viable to perform that role.
As for the ambassador class in part one, yeah they are bulky and have shit impulse engines, but ships are manoeuvred by thrusters, not the impulse engines. Upgrade them to give them more manoeuvrability, then you have another class with cargo capacity that can also do the job
😊🖖
Depends whats going in it as way of cargo, people talk about the Millenium Falcon being very small for freight.....but we transport things everyday in trucks and vans. You could fit a lot of gear in a miranda still I think.
This is true but he is referring to the Sabre or the Miranda as frontier transport ships. For the roll that is going to mean a lot more heavy bulky infrastructure unlike with the federation where industrial replication networks are far more abundant. I think both a small ship such as one of these is probably needed but you are defiantly going to need a large cruiser to haul the bigger items and probably colonists since you want them on a heavily protected ship.
I'd say the Defiant is more like an F22. Very costly and time consuming to maintain
I would guess that the Lakota took 6 months to upgrade because it was the first Excelsior to be upgraded, presumably there was a lot of fiddling and fine tuning, any future upgraded Excelsiors would likely be done more quickly as the Dominion war upgrades would probably be standardized based on the experience with the Lakota. I would guess they could shave 6-8 weeks off, depending on how well maintained the base ship is. But that's just my thoughts on it.
I like the corrections, but I agree it does depend on the mission profile. I love the Defiant class, but you're right that it's not really suited for deep space missions. It would need a refit that works out its power issues and the addition of a holodeck if only for scientific/training purposes. Until then, I agree that they work better for defense of a stationary target like a planet or station.
My only real issue with the Excelsior is that it's such a chunky girl. It needs a lot of crew. I'm not sure what the stats on the Centaur class are, but I would love to know if you can get the same or similar amount of firepower on the Centaur or a similarly sized ship without the time/expense of building or refitting an Excelsior.
If they could upgrade the Lakota, a ship design that's been in service for 100-ish years, I don't see why they aren't building their new ships to be better or more upgradable than the Excelsior. If anything, I would rather spend the time/money to take the Intrepid class and give it more firepower since it's already fast, has great sensors, has holodecks for long missions, and bioneural gel packs that should be able to operate the new upgrades.
They did an Explorer Refit for the Defiant in the books where they swapped out the 2 Shuttlebays folks forget about, #1 & #2 (that raise 2-Type 18 shuttlepods each to the top of the dorsal hull and then launch) for 1 Holo-Deck & an Astrometrics Lab (with additional sensor installation) & the ship got a 2nd Type 10 Shuttlepod (a good shuttlepod, it can reach Warp 5) in Bay 3. They also carried some extra Probes (like the Multi-Spatial Probe Voyager built & brought home), Science Officers, and made use of the 2 science labs that are standard for the ship. It only explored for 3 of 4 months before coming home, but it's not bad (plus it was taking new star-charts with 10x the accuracy of the old ones).
I see the Excelsior class like the Modern day Ticonderoga class Cruisers. We're not building any more and we haven't for a while, but we keep updating the ones we have to be as capable as we can make them. Until eventually we retire them all.
The Defiant Class had a limit as well. Warp 8.5 at best before falling apart. Good Pocket Battleship. Not so good for exploration.
Warp 9.875 actually
Just a thought regarding the Defiant. You note that O'Brian is well aware of the limitations of the original but, was able to vastly improve its capabilities, granted that this was at the risk of possible system failures and greatly increasing the ship's maintenance needs. While you are building the new fleet, I would reassign Engineering Chief O'Brian over a team to research & redesign a second generation Defiant class from the "ground up" so to speak. As gifted as he is, I think that O'Brian's team would certainly be able to retool a far superior version by the time you are ready to start production.
The Nova Class is for science missions inside Federation space but has better defensive and offensive weapons just in case unlike the Oberth Class that we all know would blow up if a enemy ship looked at it the wrong way. You are correct it is definitely not meant for combat unless it has no choice.
I believe in Canon. The sabre was mass produced and was the largest class in terms of numbers. Serving. And reminded in high production, along with the nova and akira. As replacements for ( oberth, miranda and excelsior) .
I believe they built several hundred steamrunners . ( around 300), and they were used in border patrol often.
But post war they had thousands of ships to replace, and they wanted modern and less crew intensive ( starfleet lost over 500 thousand people in the war ) and economically . The federation had to recover from the war , rebuild the fleet , repair damage to federation worlds and colonies , but also the assistant the cardassian reconstruction. ( like the Marshall plan post ww2 )
With the defiant I'd take a page out of the vulcan playbook and produce a 'travel ring' it can be docked into, that provides amenities to the crew and solves the overtuned power grid problem by largely not using it when not necessary. It'd still be a very bad idea to use too many, but a small wing of them would be effective enough to make the logistics headache worth it.
ABLATIVE armor..not ablasive armor ..no S...Sir...great video !
Also worth considering are the non starfleet civilian federation merchant fleets that i would imagine would be pressed into service during this time of emergency. Also consider hiring out to for example the Ferangi who firmly believe that war and peace are both good for business and thus would be happy to perform cargo runs. And nobody want to screw with the ferangi merchantmen because they have THE ULTIMATE TRUMP CARD: CONTROL OF LATINUM. so i could easily imagine the federation hiring a fleet of Ferangi transports especially early on while they get the new fleet sorted out as a stop gab.
for the steam runner: do not forget its also a powerful torpedo boat, it has 4 rapid fire forward tubes and all around phasers so it's a good light cruiser and artillery ship in a battleline. the Nova was basically a straight replacement for the Oberth which is classified as a "survey ship" it's not a long range explorer. Basically it's an Oberth that can actually fight back. we see this on full tragic display with the USS Equinox with the crew basically going insane as they simply do not have the extra features as the Intrepid. As for the Lokota type refits i agree with what @andrewbutton2039 says. Don't forget a lot of the surviving Excelsior from the dominion war would be in TERRIBLE condition as we see in that one fleet shot in DS9 showing all those badly damaged ship being towed that might actually reverse this in favour of simply building new ships from the keel up being more cost effective then fixing up and refitting a bunch of badly damaged Excelsiors.
Additional thoughts: The Norway-Class has huge potential with a simple refit filling in that ludicrous gap between the nacelles with a modular cargo area that could make a really good supply or troop ship as seen on the ECS Atagarii a post dominion war armed freighter: www.deviantart.com/isfj1009/art/Star-Trek-Atagarri-Schematics-849971026
I would also use the Galaxy and nebula as super transports because they just have SO MUCH SPACE you could easily transport 10,000 people with room to spare or equivalent cargo.
Instead of building Defiants for station/colony defense, I would assign a Steamrunner with 3 Sabres as a regional squadron and supply... the Lakotas can ferry supplies to the squadron to deliver...that way if there is any kind of conflict, you have a small heavy hitting squadron that can defend itself. Lakotas, if needed, can rapid deploy from convoy duties, would be out there to support and significantly increase firepower to the squadron and station/planetary defenses. At least hold the line until main fleet arrives. Also the existing Novas I would delegate to Starfleet Acadamy to train cadets on modern ship systems to transition to into ships coming on-line.
I mentioned the Excelsior/ Lakota upgrades. 🙂
If you're still going warp 7 during this time, you aint getting away from anyone..you better have thick armor
The original two nova vlass vessels were slow, warp 8 civilian model . But post-war, a third nova type and all other novas were upgraded with the latest engines. In Star Trek nemesis, the USs nova is part of the starfleet battlegroup , travelling at best speed to met the enterprise, and she is keeping up with galaxy and sovereign vessels. They must be travelling at Warp 9 .2 . ( thier is a defiant vessel, either them . 9.2 to 9.5 in an extreme emergency) is top speed for them . .
I believe they did build more Norway class with the latest shields. As part of the mirada replacement. .
Nice job but it is ablative armor, not ablasive armor.
@20:16 'Lakota Excelsior stronger than Defiant' is a nonsensical argument for 3 main reasons. The Lakota was trying to disable the Defiant, not destroy her, but the Defiant was defending itself, not trying to destroy the Lakota. If you're going to defend that the Lakota didn't use its quantum torpedoes, well neither did the Defiant.
Secondly, saying that it takes 1 year to build a Defiant and 6 months to upgrade a Lakota, yes that's an upgrade, not also including the time to construct that ship.
Lastly, if a Lakota Excelsior was more powerful than a Defiant, Starfleet wouldn't have bothered designing a Borg Killer if a Kirk Era ship just needed a tuneup
Also, Excelsiors are an old design. Their heyday is long over.
When it comes to supplies. A lot is replicated
If starfleet was smart they would take page out of klingon fleet manual bird a prey ships. By taking tue defiant class and making different sizes for different mission profiles..
After the dommion war i would say statfleet build 2 or 3 sovergine class ship per year maybe evem up t0 6 to 12 per year sovergine class ship by 2380
We saw in Voyager, just how much better equipped an Intrepid was over an Nova. A Nova clearly can't handle shit in comparison way out in unknown space.
The only time we see the Defiant fire a torpedo from its aft launcher. Hope you don't get dinged by Paramount.
It is pronounce correctly as Abras-Sive as the way its spelled abrasive not Ablasive
ABLATIVE ...not abrasive or ablasive...
It was the Valiant and Defiant.
Maybe use a cargo ship both civilian and starfleet have specific ships for transporting cargo just a thought??? The war is over and military escort is not really necessary that what convoys are for a group of weaker cargo ships can still take on raiders
the miranda class are the work horses of the fleet they may be old but have there uses star fleet has to stop putting thousands of crew on ships and cut it by 60% when u lose 1 u don't lose thousands
Thanks.
You're only going to be using the defiant for combat and to escort. The defiant is perfect. Not to mention later versions solved your issues with the defiant.
So who wins.
Hm ships like Stargazer was really long in space and then you forget the Flexiblity to change the parts of this ships
What if some of the excelsior were upgraded in the field during the dommion war i am sure the engineers can be resourceful then they need to be creative
Could the excelsior frames be upgraded with mirenda weapon rollbar on top of tue suacer?
I'm not sure what you are saying, the bulk of the goods transported from one system to another are done by commercial freighters, in times of war, these freighters are grouped into convoys and protected by starships. With that being said, there are some cargoes that are too valuable to transport that way, and that's when starships come into play. These military cargoes are normally able to be transported by any reasonably sized starship.
The Miranda class has a cargo capacity of 15,000mt's.
The Sabre class has a cargo capacity of 9,954mt's.
The Steamrunner class has a cargo capacity of 19,360mt's
You can see the Miranda is the clear cost to weight ratio winner.
And since the Excelsior features prominently in your video, it has a cargo capacity of 35,200mt's
You're probably right but on screen next generation always showed federation ships doing this transporting
@@trekwars5400The TNG didn't really feature many different classes of starships.
DS9 Featured the Miranda slightly more prominently.
However the Dominion war, featured them heavily, the 7th fleet that was nearly wiped out, had numerous older generation starships including many Mirandas.
The Federation Cardassian war Mirandas played important roles.
The Miranda was/is still a very capable ship even though it is sometimes maligned like the Oberth, which itself is still a good ship as long as it is used in it's designed role.
Where do you get your specs for firepower, shields and hull?
There's not any one place it's mostly me watching the TV show writing down whatever events take place with the ships being attacked and then creating data tables.. and then from some of the manuals I convert them to my data tables
Were do you get your information from?
For the algorithm
Here what your not taking in mix here guys every excesuler well be getting the Lakota up graded reguardless.so it not really a factor in this mix.and as for the defiant depending on the star base size ever Starbase should have 1 to 6 asignied perminatly as part of the Starbase espicaly all stardocks
Not every Excelsior had the Lakota upgrade that is especially not seen during sacrifice of angels Excelsior gets taken out 2 shots Akira dies in five shots Enterprise and Warbirds take five shots and keep on going
It's ablative armor not arblasive.
swear he's doing it on purpose to bump up the comment count.
nobody messes with the defiant class she may be little but got teeth and can fight and only 50 per ship lakota class takes much more to crew plus o'brien solved the engine problem when it first came to ds9 i'm sure it was pass on to other ships so buddy your wrong about them
cargo? really?
Again these ships are not static designs they are constantly upgraded and refitted just as modern warships are today that periodically receive enhancements throughout their service life. A Excelsior class in 2390 is a totally different animal than one from 2290. If the space fame was assembled in 2290 and it was still in service say 80 years later its systems would have been upgraded several times at least. By 2385 there were no galaxy class ships with the same systems as when they were launched in the early 2360's they were all upgraded and retrofitted probably using a block system like we use today in modern warships. So perhaps the initial run of Galaxy's launched in the early 2360's would all be retrofitted and by 2380 be classed as a Galaxy 1 Block IV (indicating 4 major refits or upgrades that change the capabilities in a major way to match later runs) with about the same stats and standards of the second run later but also in 2380 listed as Galaxy 2 Block III or same year again in 2380 with a 3rd run would be by this time a Galaxy 3 Block II but all with similar capabilities or as close as the space frame would allow. Do you see the logic of the nomenclature? This is for certain how it would work especially with a great power that had the resources and the ability to keep a large deep space fleet deployed and well maintained. If you want to compare ships either say a Galaxy 1 from 2360 vrs a Sovereign 1 from 2380 or be even more specific as a Galaxy 1 Block IV vrs a Sovereign 1 Block II which would probably indicate a certain time period. Year by year this nomenclature would change as each ship was retrofitted to a higher standard with the attempt to keep the ship relevant to the latest technology and abilities. Perhaps each space frame had its own limits but you can bet that work a rounds and adjustments would be made to augment the vessel to the highest ability possible to match the capabilities of all vessels in that class. This is how modern navy's work and its logical to assume that star fleet would be the same. But I think for example its safe to assume a Galaxy class launched in 2063 if still in service has different shield generators in 2085 and probably with many times upgraded or replaced all the internals from computer to sensors to holodecks to warp cores and other enhancements. What you would not find I am sure is a 40 year old galaxy class with the same exact systems and capabilities in the year 2400 as when it was launched 40 years prior.