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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มิ.ย. 2021
- So as an appropriate followup to videos about Card Rarity and Booster Pack Construction, it's only fair to talk about a type of card game that goes by a different initialism.
And, no, it isn't "LCG".
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As a fan of L5R, I’d like to point out that they later released “Premium Expansions” expansions that not only include more cards than basic expansions, but include full play sets of every card, and include a box insert that can store a bunch of cards.
This pisses me off cause it makes it clear that FFG knows how to design a product like this, they just decided not to for the core sets.
I'm not sure what's worse - L5R with its one copy of every card in its starter or what they did with Warhammer: Invasion where they irritatingly included full playsets of some cards but not others in the starter deck, so if you buy multiple copies of the core set you end up with large amounts of redundancy, was part of the reason I kinda stopped playing, along with it being discontinued and thereby impossible to get hold of expansions to make the game more interesting.
Imagine if there were no vultures and you lose the government mandated lottery to go eat dead stuff in the forest.
*win
Oh man, i gotta eat wolves carcasses this year AGAIN? Thanks Obama!
It's illegal to kill them, too.
People eat roadkill.
Our new currency should just be Yugioh Decks.
paper currency:
-covered in poop and drugs, drives people to greed, not a game piece inherently
yugioh cards:
-generally cleaner, smell nicer, can be played with
@@violetto3219 The cards may smell nicer, but the people who possess them usually smell worse
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This sounds a lot like the price is right terrible internet items edition,
Where they started using boxes of crickets as a currency.
@@BramLastname How many boxes of crickets will I need to put together a decent Exodia deck?
I give you a big thumbs up for including "gut feeling" as a deck building strategy.
where?
@@mistery8363 In the video
Sometimes, even TCGs interact with this design space. Consider the Yugioh Speed Duel Battle City Box, designed for an eight player draft tournament, or MTG's Unsanctioned set.
Fans loved the Battle City Box, as it was a complete game by itself, could make competitive decks for constructed if you bought a couple, and all of the cards were the same every time, except for a few holographic cards which were just holographic versions of cards already in the set.
you can't forget about battle pack draft either, BP3 is still my favorite format of ygo
and boy i HOPE they stop selling random boosters for speed duels and only make boxed sets
I do hate that they want people to buy three copies of that box to make "super decks" though. Even when Konami does something good, it's held back by their greed.
@@davidbronstein2040 thing is, you're still getting three decks worth of cards when you decide to grab a playset of structure deck cards. which has some notable upsides, namely that you now have a playset of several staples that may not exactly fit an optimized build on the deck you grabbed, but you're absolutely gonna want to have anyway unless you are legitimately only ever gonna dedicate yourself to the one deck. stuck like mistake and desires in the sacred beast deck, appointer, crackdown, and the frog package in the ice barrier one, sekka, dark ruler, and warning with the charmers, etc.. and that's just the stuff that's most relevant currently, there's a bunch of other staples in each that are just as useful but are more reliant on a different meta
hell, if the structure decks _were_ packed with playsets, you'd probably have to buy three boxes to make a meta deck anyway just to yoink some staples from some other decks. you only have room for 13 playsets + 1 one-of in a deck, after all
@@Zanji1234 I don't know if you saw but Konami has made a survey about speed duels and how they should continue them
I don't have the link to hand but a lot of people are saying they want more product like the battle city box so hopefully Konami will do more things like that and less booster packs!
ECG can have less cards per year than TCGs, because ECGs don't have to include pack filler.
but they will not... they sell you each month a pack (with fewer cards in them though you still buy them at 12 EUR / piece) when i look at FFG ... which actually kicked it for me
That's what I thought as well. You don't need bad cards or filler/chaff in an ECG, every card in the game is supposed to be playable. That's, I think, what I love the most about it
Only 10-15 cards are worth playing in tcg sets. So how many cards a set includes is simply lowers your chance of opening a meaningful card
Exactly why I'm embracing that idea for the game I'm making. Screw the packfiller, make everything playable in some scenario. It's fine if there are joke or niche cards there for people who wanna build around it, that's part of the fun of gimmick decks after all, but I'm so tired of purposefully bad cards weighing down packs for no reason.
@@clayxros576 Oh, it's not *no* reason. The reason is so that Draft can be a thing. Because apparently according to the MTG designers draft just wouldn't be fun if all the cards you could pick were good. So there needs to be terrible jank cards.
So yeah, everyone gets a worse, more consumer unfriendly product so that people can enjoy one format that arguably would be just fine even without this practice. Pritty grate rite?
Interesting timing on this, Fantasy Flight just announced a revised Arkham Horror box that has all the cards needed to support 4 players playing the game at once as well as some general fixes to make the packaging better
And a opaqu bag the gods have mercy on us
I am proud to be the 5th person to have purchased the Kohdok Box of Junk
Proud to be the 16th... I think? Gotta say when I saw the community post I was scared I missed something, but realized there was a video released today lol.
I don't know if you are able to do this, but have you thought of an errata text episode on how to do a TCG tournaments from locals to sanctioned events? Sounds like a great idea to look into.
Organized Play is on the list.
@@Kohdok cool!
We need a full version of the spider clan theme song!!!!
Indeed! Somebody get the petition going!!
Another important design consideration is with an ECG, you don't really make much in the way of filler or introductory cards. Your starter set pulls that weight for you, while a TCG like Magic has to be printing lots of simple commons for new players in their boosters. Its a lot more like making exclusively the rares/beyond rares once you start looking at expansions unless you're doing something radical that introduces a whole new way to play a given class/faction or introducing a new one, in which case you need to make some more basic designs.
Using the Yu-Gi-Oh! Decks as the metric is both funny and really sound; I loved yugioh starter decks because they were both so cheap and I recognized the value in buying several
"I'll make my own subscription junkbox! With blackjack! And hookers!" is actually a way better idea than anyone's giving you credit for. Good luck!!!
I dont know about you but i like the idea of collecting EVERY card of LCG costs less than a starting hand of competitive MTG deck or an extra deck of Yugioh deck
[insert MTG fans squealing about how if you don't like the high prices of the secondary market you should just play pauper, ignoring that having your game be so expensive that people have had to come up with a format specifically to enable people to play without spending hundreds or thousands of dollars is in and of itself an indictment against the game's exclusionary high prices forced by the secondary market and artificial scarcity]
@@Shenaldrac i mean pauper is cool but i want to play commander, maybe even modern? So should i just play pauper sir? It is made for me after all.
@@RyokoYoichi Yup, exactly. People don't *want* to be relegated to playing pauper because they don't have thousands of dollars of disposable income to throw away on _little rectangles of cardboard and ink that cost WOTC literal pennies to print._ People want to be able to play any of the formats available for this *game* by having the *game pieces* be available for purchase at reasonable prices given that they are *parts of a game not an investment portfolio.*
@@Shenaldrac now i am confused. Your rant was so good I actually did not the sarcasm. Well said :D
@@RyokoYoichi Oh, sorry about that! Yeah my initial post was meant to be from the perspective of the people who zealously defend WotC and MTG, sarcastically pointing out the flaw in such an argument. I am completely in agreement with you.
I feel like Android: Netrunner had a good core set. £34 for enough cards for six decks, three corp, three runner. There was a decent variety, and whilst there weren't complete playsets, there were still dupes of cards and it played well
There were a few singletons in the base set, and that annoyed me immensely. Great game though.
From what I understand, the Marvel LCG starter doesn't have the "incomplete contents" problem. Also, Arkham Horror is getting a "revised" starter box, and while I don't know any specifics, it would not surprise me if they fixed that problem. Of course, it would also not surprise me it they changed nothing.
Addendum: did anyone else think this was going to be about how FFG erratas cards and never reprints them with the new text? I don't want to have to print out a PDF to know what cards do.
So two things:
1.Marvel Champions does in fact have a full playset of cards, so that statement within the video is incorrect.
2.Ashes was built with draft in mind at the forefront, and with only 1 card per Phoenixborn being locked to them, literally any card besides those can be used with any other Phoenixborn.
Hey, Kohdok, I dig all the production work that's been going into your recent videos. Content has long been stellar, and I appreciate the presentation leveling up, too. Hope your channel keeps growing, man!
It would be cool if keyforge decks came with some (3 or 4) "reserve cards" that you could use to swap out with other cards, to spice up how an individual deck plays without ruining the power scale of the deck
Finally understand the mean g of those letters, and considering what I'm doing and planning think I must focus my efforts as an ECG rather than a TCG
As he alluded to at the end of the video, you can always do some sort of hybrid. You just have to consider what works best for your game and product.
@@Yous0147 yeah, considering that currently doing solo in my spare time I'm not in the position of creating too much cards hehe, thanks
Bruh I’m dying at the edited bits and the singing! XD
I like the direction that FFG has finally landed on with Marvel Champions and I think a lot of their player-base does as well. So much that they have announced that they will be doing something very similar with Arkham Horror LCG (yes the board game vs card game naming convention is less than ideal). I also appreciate that this space exists because I think it serves as a good on/off ramp for the TCG space.
Great video, I can finally stop bugging you about these types of games. Hopefully one day I will be able to send you the ECG I'm working on.
I love that you keep using the Mitos y leyendas tournament B-roll. Pretty sure that footage is from 2002-03 and its very nostalgic to me.
As always, a fantastic video! Love em.
cool, the series is back
I’m glad you mentioned cube. For most tcgs you can build your own cube and then it’s a personalized lgc. Also there’s more to cube than draft. I consider Killer Bunnies to be a cube. I know several people who play MTG in a single deck like KB.
Great video!
I don't know when you recorded this, but White Wizard Games has rebranded as Wise Wizard Games because a lot of people missed the LOTR reference and jumped to bad conclusions.
I hope you do more listings of box of junk! $20 to be amused at cards from numerous TCGs I’ve never heard of seems like fun and I was disappointed that the listing has since ended.
That spider clan song made me spit-take my water. Excellent job.
Res Arcana does a really good cube impression, I find.
So the cards are perfectly square?
Oh god, way to tempt me with the box of junk. I too am a collector of obscure TCG stuff
Oh my GOD I had no idea there were "deckbuilders". That is EXACTLY what I want. Thank you!
Related product question brought on by the last few minutes: What ARE your thoughts on things like cubes? I know some MTG sites sell pre-made cubes with specific lists, so do you treat those in the same way as an expandable card game practically?
I love the Jumping Spider cameo
This video was very informative, i am developing a card gme and the method of distribution is one of the things im not fully sold on yet. My game ill have roughly 100 cards at the start and does not require a lot of stuff...so i wonder where it fits better.
And surprised you didn't go into Millenium Blades with this video.
Nevermind crypto yugioh starter decks will be used as the dominant currency.
New favorite TH-camr
Also I am literally playing final fantasy 10 right now and I'm pretty positive you're playing their music and I love it.
I just don’t think that joe off the street is going to suddenly be into Arkham horror the card game and accidentally purchase the board game. I feel that scenario is incredibly unlikely
*Interjects with personal anecdote*.
I mean, the joke wrote itself, tbh.
A workaround to a huge box and few expansions would be to make small expansions regularly based around synergy or playability.
Push out a red and a blue expansion on January then a black and a green of February.
Or a tribal set with all cards that say 'dark magician' or "blue eyes white dragon" on them.
That way you can buy cards in a logical assortment, either by 'you probably want to play all these cards together' or 'you can only pick a color, so you get cards of only that color'
Maybe go even further, in a commander style game (where you have a build around card that you always have access to) make so a micro expansion always has a commander and have a bunch of cards that interact namely with it. Make it a 30+1 card expansion with 15 splash-able cards and 15 commander synergy cards and a commander for 30+1 card game. You have a suggested shell of 15 cards for your commander and 15 general utility cards that can be swapped for other sets utility cards, you get a playable deck in a slim, low buy in package, with incentives to keep buying for new commander archetypes or utilities for your old commander.
Excellent vid kohdok
One of the kinda funny things about watching this playlist is that I have realized that a Fandom's small TCG really would have benefited from being an ECG maybe with Draft options
In defense of Arkham LCG (of which I am admittedly a massive fan) they are releasing a new core set with full playsets and a better box.
what do you think of the VS System 2pcg? And do you think that it as a system could be translated to a trading card game again but with a different theme
Android Netrunner (lcg) had all these problems and had players have 2 decks on hand for any game, as well as staple cards for multiple decks in supplement products, making several mandatory in multiples for competitive play... So it also had a secondary market despite the non random packs.
Even Vanguard learned this lesson that FFG not learned with their LCG intro sets
Any chance we could get your thoughts on the Marvel Champions LCG? Its very popular at my local game store and you used clips from ads for it in this video.
that DQ music was an unexpected treat. 10:24
That spider clan song is SO GOOD
Here are my nitpicks, great video!
LCG's (or CCGs) being a more ethical distribution method is entirely separate from FFG attempting to coin the term. It's like saying (incredibly hypothetically) the red cross attempting to coin medicine names is as unethical as medical scalping because medical scalpers also coined medicine names.
CCG's have draft play and making cubes is just as feasible as in a TCG.
The core set argument is absolutely solid, glad many games don't do this. however, 120$ for the three set gives you much more than 1 deck (in the case of YuGiOh) and people often times spend FAR more money to get a good deck in a TCG. The secondary market is more of a nightmare than you make it out to be (seeing as, among other things, injuries and exclusion have resulted from it), and low budget players are at a greater disadvantage in TCGs.
(This one is super pedantic) I have always disagreed with you definition of a card game, as a game where cards and deckbuilding are clearly the focus seems more in line with the spirit of the term even if it comes with tracking peripherals and such. I agree on the sentiment you commonly give that you like it when those peripherals are limited though.
The complaint that an IP has similar design in various incarnations is fairly moot unless one is unable to read the words "Card Game" on any given web page or box they see. More variance would be nice I suppose but the idea that someone may buy the wrong thing despite the numerous indicators otherwise is not an issue with the game. It is an issue with a 14+ year olds abysmal reading. Frankly, you were being a goober and it was silly of you to confuse a box that says "card game" in legible text with one that does not and has a different box back. Your magic talks never include the caveat that one may confuse the battle of the plainswalkers game with a booster set.
Absolutely right on the storage front. All games should come with storage for sleeved cards.
Buying the sets does give you more than just the cards for your current deck, but I'd argue that giving players a huge playground of decks is good! You've spent the same money as one would on a competitive deck for THAT OTHER GAME but you have the tools for eight or more. It keeps it fresh and comes almost as a bonus to making your top deck.
Lack of rarity is a good thing, imo. Sorry to people that like spending hundreds of dollars on shiny cardboard, the outdated trappings and predatory market that comes with random packs is not justified by the fact that some cards are shinier. Especially because nice full art cards can be given as tourney rewards and such.
Loved the video, keep up the good work!
Quick q for all what do you think can be the smallest deck size a card game can have and still be competitive ?
I’m designing a card game and though hey, let’s look at some
Kohdok videos. And then you say there is no Cube TCG… I laugh hard, it’s exactly what was on my mind and what I’m executing on right now 😂
Arkham Horror is releasing a revised core set soon, although I don't know if it includes dupes, a bag or better storage inserts.
Never heard ECG but i knew the concept and i love it
I've been developing a card game for the last decade and your videos have always been very helpful. Thank you!
I think a good idea is for people who make card games to when the stuff rotates out build a box of every card with 3-4 of each card in the set in it. Sure it would allow everyone to eventually get into another version of older formats but it would also allow them to sell product later for older sets so another market such as people who like a single block and format can constantly buy the product and have it for their own draft cubes and such. Hell you could also make it gold bordered like they do in magic and pokemon (silver) so they aren't tournament legal and allow that market specifically besides table top players to thrive more easily.
Box of Junk didn’t even last one day, but I was going to be disappointed you didn’t go into ECGs till I looked at the timer bar.
I strongly recommend the game Millenium Blades. it is a TCG Simulator, and I can't do justice to it in a TH-cam comment, but its an amazing game with a focus on replicating the cube/prerelease feel
Oh it's the best! Millennium Blades is absolutely incredible
I've been collecting the Lord of the rings lcg in a binder for over a year. There might not be a rarity system but where I live its hard to find all the expansions and the cards look nice in a binder.
Im surprised you didnt touch on Net Runner which was the first exposure to this genre for myself and many many others.
how about level 99 pixel tactics or millennium blades? or the grand daddy android netrunner?
I started cheering why kodok mentioned the Lovecraft's creatures by name, in his mad rant.
The other reason ECG's have less cards is because they shouldn't* contain the draft chaff bad cards that are purposefully put in MTG packs.
*Warning: Designers are always worse than the community at understanding how good the cards are.
I wish you had explained more what "cube" CG´s are. Maybe give more examples of what it would be? I just saw a bunch of random black sleeved cards on screen and now im slightly confused haha
I do like the idea of an ECG. I like building decks, playing them once or twice (unless I really really like them) and then trying something else. That's way easier to do (at least IRL) when all the cards can be acquired at a reasonable price. I might look into the genre and see if there's one I like... if playing a card game IRL becomes feasible for me. Nearest game shop is a bit of a drive, and I don't have nearby friends or family who even LIKE card games.
I recommend you FFG's cooperative LCGs like Arkham Horror: The Card Game or Marvel Champions: The Card Game, multiplayer card games that are also fantastic solitaire experiences. They have both the accessibility of board games for newcomers / non-gamers and the constructed deck perpetual tinkering of TCGs. Some competitive ECGs are also good like Ashes: Rise of the Phoenixborn but unless you have a gaming buddy or a gaming group interested in them I strongly suggest you to stick to cooperative LCGs.
17:20 Okay, I want to add for those who say "Oh, but this would include Legendary cards, which you can only have on in play".
1. You can still have 4 on each deck
2. That literally means nothing in terms of the sheer size of a 4-way deck.
Spider clan, spider clan, growing over the shadowlands ♪♫
Oh shoot, this is the sort of game I'm making. I have tentative plans to include booster packs in the future, but that is more of a way to have draft (which I have a soft spot for) and a way to foil up people's decks if they want to. But that is moreso for after I actually have the game in a kinda balanced state that I'm comfortable selling. The basis is exactly the constructed decks with none of the randomness so people can get into the game easily. Though I just consider it an arena card game due to the way the game plays.
Ive thought of this as well and im not quite certain of viability because its counterintuitive.
@@Robotechgorillaglue
According to the standard industry it's counter intuitive, but if you abandon the standard it works better. Folks love cracking packs even if they have the cards already (just look at Yugioh reprint sets), though I will fully acknowledge my game won't work for card shops. They rely on consistent and constant product cycles, something a carefully balanced game simply cant provide. But that was never my goal anyway so.....eh. if you're looking to make a new game that operates separate from the industry, it makes a bit more sense IMO.
To be fair, I fit quite a few expansions for Netrunner in the box's standard insert before changing to a third party, and the new Marvel Champions box has a very large space.
I'm late to the party but Ashes Reborn actually has a subscription model of sorts that encourages continued content
Is it possible to run serious organized play tournaments for expandable card games?
No idea if you'll ever read this, but with the news of the drastic downsize of the Legends of Runaterra, and the talks about how it couldn't ever get to a point of economic sustainability, I remembered this video
What if LoR was always a ECG with an identity crisis, with not even their creator realizing that's what they were creating
Do you think that that is a correct assessment of the situation?
And even if it's not, what are your thoughts on launching an electronic ECG, could something like that ever work?
Intro felt like welcome to nightvelle or however you spell that podcast
Please do a full cover of the Spider Clan song, I just love it!!!!
this just makes me want to hear what you have to say about the player driven development of the original L5R
4:20 RIP to L5R for a second time.
Any recommendations on ECG? I like the idea and I would like to try the format with my wife, but she tends to be really special about the kind of games she wants to play so more options I have the more likely she is to like one of the options. I'm finding it really hard to find anything on Google since I keep getting sent back to LCG and Fantasy Flight Games and I don't fell like those games are the best fit for us.
Thanks a lot in advance to any good soul with good recommendations that would take the time to answer me 😊☺
It depends on the goal. Since you say it's with your wife, a Co-op game like Arkham Horror or Marvel Champions might be a good fit.
Plaid Hat is famous for their Summoner Wars ECG which has an impeding reboot.
White Wizard does the inexpensive Epic Card Game (Get it? "E.C.G.?")
Renegade just made a Vampire The Masquerade redux which has been making waves.
Hero Realms. There are some good cooperative campaigns in the expansion boxes THE LOST VILLAGE and RUIN OF THANDAR.
Thanks a lot, I'll check them out
If she is a fan of Harry Potter, you might try Battle For Hogwarts, though that’s pushing the boundary of what an ECG is. I know my wife doesn’t play card games despite me trying to get her into them several times, but she loves Battle for Hogwarts.
The revised core set for Arkham Horror will come with a complete play set and a token bag.
Do you think you have enough to talk about playset size to warrant an episode? Really interested in how singleton compares vs multiple card playsets.
Millennium Blades is kind of like a Cube ECG if you haven't checked that out before - it's by Level 99 Games.
Don’t know if it counts but I really like Smash Up, wasn’t expensive, expansions aren’t pricey and literally any deck can be used together regardless if they’re a good combination or not. It’s the thing that got me into these kinds of games
I’m making a game but I don’t know if I should make it a lcg(that works), an ecg, or a tcg.
Whats the game at 19:38 I think I've seen it before but I can't remember
A lot of the card games that are neither deck builders nor drafting games with additional components I consider as "Modern Card Games", though not all games that feature cards as a 'central component' would be such (Machi Koro, Space Base, elder sign, and Power Grid: The Card game). Pretty much, any card game 'that does not use a traditional playing card deck', like Mille Bornes, Flinch, and Uno, would be considered as such, even if Flinch is over a century old now. Box size is not part of the definition thanks to some MCGs using larger boxes or tins like AEG's one off printing of Phase (Black Box 2016) or Sushi Go (Party). Phase had the LCG problem and said it was best for each player to bring their own box and make their decks before play. Sadly, it was never available as a stand alone game or pack after 2016.
As a habitual sleever thanks to my time in MTG as a high schooler (in 2000-2002) as well as being disappointed in marking cards from shuffling because some games' quality went down the toilet, I'd rather have the trench rather than the plastic insert as the vast plurality of plastic inserts are not made with sleeves in mind. Though, I've been trying to deckbox games that use more 'traditional' sized cards (like Lords of Waterdeep's cards are MTG sized while many FFG's 'green cards' are sized to the 'old playing card standard' before Poker sized cards (MTG sized) took over in the wake of the poker revolution. I do my best to keep the plastic insert if I can, but that goes out the window once I start combining games into boxes (Pandemic's insert in On the Brink and In the Lab will NOT support a fully expanded version of Pandemic). One of the best plastic inserts is Point Salad, where the 2 channels were large enough to support all 120 cards after sleeving and it had a good box size to fit the insert. Of course, yeah, most of this falls into 'board game problems'. The worst 'insert' I've encountered was the 'made for shipping insert' for Dungeon's 2014 and beyond printing, where it was only made to hold the pack of cards in the middle of the box while they were still wrapped.
Any chance you could review legends of runeterra?
I've been binging your videos and haven't heard you mention anything about the My Little Pony CCG. Have you played it? Seen it? Planned on talking about it?
I'd always thought Magic only ever used "Collectible Card Game" and it was other companies using TCG just to be different.
I want to pay for pizza with Yugioh structure decks.
7:11 has anyone told Kohdok about the battle city box
The Catan card game and Blue Moon where decent LCGs I enjoyed back in time.
hey kohdok, may i email you a google for the beta of a card game i am building for advice?
What is that game né shows at 19:38 minut?
I got that L5R core set years ago & it just sat in my closet I had forgotten why I never played it until now lol I wasn't buying 2 more 😅🙃😆
I was excited about the reboot of l5r when it came out and about a month later all the cards went into my junk box just to never come out to be played. :/ r.I.p. me
Of course none of those things really have to be how it works though.
Great vid K. FFG deserves this takedown. They have really given this style of game two black eyes. They have left a trail of dead games like no one else, despite a committed audience ... the kind dropping the cash for 3X core sets.
You should really try out the lord of the rings card game from fantasy flight. It unfortunately has some of the same problems as L5R you pointed out here (uncompleted card sets, box doesnt fit right) but they make it clear that its not really meant to be a competitive game, and to me at least, that makes it at a little more ok because it makes your deck seem more like a fun mash up of your ideas and cards in your collection, rather than a finely tuned engine like you see most tcgs are in their community. (Not that anythings wrong with either option, I certainly love competitive magic the gathering, but its nice to have options for games that go in either direction) Either way it has over 80 expansions that have been going since 2011, so they must be doing something right lol
I think ff's version of l5r also ran into the problem of having mostly unmixable attributes (there are seven clans and you can only bring a very small quantity of cards from another clan) and just the sheer AMOUNT of cards you need to play. you play with not one, but *two* 40 card/3 card limit decks, meaning you have to put in at least 14+14=28 different cards, plus the stronghold and province cards - and that's for a SINGLE clan. you can see why 280 cards per year just won't cut it - it is essentially the cardfight vanguard problem all over again (I know, comparing these two hurt my soul as well)