What this video fails to mention is prior to the NBA draft, Wade had a decision to make undergoing his Meniscus. He could choose to have his meniscus repaired which would have been good long term for him, but he probably would have missed the 2003 NBA Draft. He instead chose to have his Meniscus removed which was a good short term option but it lead to long term knee issues. Wade's decline is a result of his decision to remove his meniscus
1. Was Lebrons melt down in 2011 2. Going to 4 straight finals put fatigued on everybody but seemingly LeBron. 3. Nobody was willing to trade with Miami (if the best players was a 30+ year old Ray Allen, 30+ year Shane Battier, and 30+ year Anderson all pick ups in FA then yea it was hard to do transactions) 4. No young guys (it was just Norris Cole that’s it) 5. Wade injuries
Astonishing feat for LeBron. Defy the odds many times. He got beat for valid reasons! 07 he carried. 14 Heat was on shambles! Id rather see Pacers in the finals 15 he had nobody to rely on 17 18 Snake crashed to the party.
Jordan had it all. Kukoc Kerr Armstrong Paxson Harper Rodman Horace. LeBron had who? Ray Allen?!?! Who didnt even start their lineup. MJ had big boys who can do it on both ends!
@@willwillson9064 literally 2011-2014 he had better 4 quarters then majority of EVERY BODY the 2011 finals is your only argument. Wow you were able to add ONE person, who was 25 when Bron got there. Congrats now just explain, Wade, Ray Allen, Birdman, Battier, Miller, Ronny Turiaf, Mike Bibby, Rashard Lewis, James Jones, Juwan Howard, Erick Dampier, Eddie Houe, Udonis Haslem, injured Greg Oden. They even had rumors of AI coming out of retirement. Don’t talk about something you don’t know nothing about.
Dude the warriors aredifferent from the heat. If u think Miami are a superteam then the warriors are the freaking Avengers allplayers in their prime. (Curry and Thompson playstyle was perfect for every team tho)
Eh, 3 rings in 5 finals appearances (so far) and being derailed by injury. The only differences were the breakout season for a relatively unknown team, and the way the core was assembled... And playstyle too, just pointing out overall statistical similarities...
@@JawaPenguin16 his tenure with us to me was amazing yea he choked in 2011 finals but besides that his 4 years with us was worth it we got rings and final appearances out of it, can’t complain with that lol but idk why some feel divided
@@JawaPenguin16 he is a choke artist. Just like he really did choke against the Mavericks in the 2011 Finals and Chris Bosh got killed by Dirk and Tim Duncan.
They’re was no core, I tell ppl with Lebron Wade would have retired early and Beasley would been our future. MICHEAL BEASLEY. Mario, Cole weren’t good player just borderline bench role player that average from 3. Same with rest team as Battier Miller and Allen were past prime could do much beside play decent defense and shoot threes. Also no consistent big killed us. Chris Anderson good help but with Udonis aging and Bosh being a stretch five we struggle in guard bigs. I mean look other center we signed just get help in the front court. Joel Anthony, Jwan Howard, Greg Oden (surprise play good when he was in but again injuries stop him) even bust pick Dexter Pittman.
LeBron left is probably the main reason, but another one is our lack of Bigman we couldn't get a good enough big man since teams didn't want to trade with the heat so the best we got was Chris Andersen...and don't get me wrong Birdman was great but imagine if we got pre-extension Hassan
I remember Miami trying to get Nene from Denver, but they sent him to Washington instead because the owners all agreed to not trade with Miami. Then they had to settle for Ronny Turiaf after Denver cut him, who was a complete stiff.
Yeah the Heatles era lack of bigmen was concerning. They made Roy Hibbert look like a superstar on 2013. They were lucky that the early 2010s was the weakest era of big men.
Malone was the sole reason for their success. People point out Stockton always being the all time assist leader but he threw the ball to a guaranteed bucket in Karl Malone. He didn’t really make any teammates better he was more a product of coaching and good teammates
Malone= huge playoff choker even other players like Pippen shat on the guy and said he didn't show up in the playoffs. RS PER: 23.9, TS%=57.8% PS PER: 21.1, TS%=52.6 RS king but playoff loser.
Malone and Stockton were terrible playoff performers. 9 first round exits. They couldn’t even make the finals until the rest of the league was old and weakened from expansion. The mid/late ‘90s NBA was an old and extremely watered-down league.
I do agree bosh was a bit overated but he definitely wasn't as bad as you made him sound. You made it sound like he wasn't even a top 30 player. When he definitely was at least top 25. He did disappear for stretches of the game but that's exactly what playing along side lebron and wade would do. As a matter of a fact in Golden state Klay, Steph, and kd would each disappear for long stretches. That's three of the best shooter to ever play with probably some of the best chemistry ever.
Bosh was the second best player after that first year. Crazy how much disrespect he gets. Wade was still Wade the first year of the the big 3 but he dropped off QUICK. The only other player I remember regressing that quickly was Chris Webber.
@Geassmaster55 draymond in 2017 reg season and 2016 finals was better than bosh, but aside from that he was a offensive liability. so being "much better" is not true at all, maybe just better since he wasnt exposed for being a terrible offensive player due to the greatness of curry and durant mostly
@@hhh1200 NO ONE MENTION MJ . But I guess Ron Harper, Rodman, and kukoc were role players never won awards or were allstars. Why do you Mj sexual cult have downgrade MJ teammates. Smh
@@KOCChristian Rodman, Harper, and Kukoc were role players though lol. Two defensive specialists and a sixth man… I hate when people gas up the Bulls during their second three-peat as some super stacked team…
@@KOCChristian bc so many ppl overrate those 90s bulls teams. Michael jordan and phil jackson made that team what it was. Scottie was a role player (the greatest role player ever, but still just a role player), along with the rest of the players. Triangle and mj's gravity + intensity is what pushed and enabled those very flawed players to play to their full potential, which is something we've never seen from a lebron led group bc he's not as coachable and prefers having the ball in his hands all the time. The 2010s heat and cavs were stacked compared to those teams
I always felt like the pieces on those Heat teams never fit all that well. Only reason they got the two chips was just because of sheer talent. In a way it makes LeBron look even better considering he won titles with a team that never had the greatest chemisty. I actually think the same could be said of LeBron's teammates during his second stint with the Cavs. They took Kevin Love, someone who was used to getting the ball in the post and sometimes even orchestrating the offense, and made him a 3 and D guy without the D. They basically just told him to sit in the corner and shoot threes. Kyrie was of course extremely talented but like Wade, I never felt like he meshed particularly well stylistically with LeBron, both being ball dominant play initiators. The only superstar LeBron's played with that I think complements his game well is Anthony Davis. The only problem there IMO has been Davis' stubborn refusal to play center.
I think Kyrie fit cuz he could close and play off ball. With Kevin Love he got most of his shots of 3s and putbacks. Plus he turned into an efficient 3 point shooter and passer.
@@RaidenNexus97 People expected many rings at the time, but with hindsight, it is hard seeing that heat roster win more than two rings without something extraordinary happening. A team that relied pretty exclusively on three players cannot have underachieved after winning multiple titles
@@Lucas-vr1qr 8+ rings is only possible if you play with the GOAT and the best team in the West is a Lakers team that refused (until Wilt) to get a real Center.
Lol there was a big 3 up until 2013. In 2014 when wade and bosh had their major injuries, that's when LeBron had to really put the team in his shoulders.
also a big thing is defense. 2012 was the last time wade could still be good on defense and while bosh was great he was susceptible to being abused by bigs. after that both bosh and wade were always banged up in the playoffs and the rest of the team was very incosistent on defense. lebron straight up, alongside great coaching, carried this team defensively specially in the last two years. its very heavy to carry the team defensively and offensively.
It was how the big 3 acted before playing together. The Miami Heat rally before even playing a game was cringe and don't forget the not 1, not 2, not 3 speech. Watching 2 guys that were top 5 and a top 20 guy joining forces in their prime felt like a improved version of the Celtics who joined forces when they were coming out of their prime. Miami could have won 3 if Lebron didn't choke on the 2011 finals.
The real reason is simply money and cap space. GSW had Steph, Klay, KD, Draymond. Brooklyn right now can afford KD Harden & Kyrie all on max deals. Miami’s big 3 had to all take pay cuts and could still barely afford good role players.
Golden States situation is slightly more nuanced, they had one of the best contracts of all time in Stephs rookie extension plus the massive cap spike right after 2016.
Yall blaming one game yet cant win on your damn home court 😂 but Miami fans dont want to talk about how Ginobili was hard fouled near the end of game 6 when the calls mattered. Excuses can go on
You take Bosh off this team they probably still go to 4 finals. Do they win two? Probably not. But take LBJ off of this team and they don't go to a finals.
You must be out of your mind without Bosh they wouldn't have won a chip. D Wayde's knees are made out of discarded cocaine baggies that washed up on the Miami shore.
If they lost an NBA finals, they are not a super team lol. Especially to the likes of veterans like Dirk, Tyson Chandler, JKidd, and Shawn Marion. The Heat played some of the hardest teams in the 2010s in the finals.
*Finally someone using FACTS, STATS and CONTEXT about LJ and the Miami Heat* unbiased. I my opinion *the Heat shouldve been 4-0 or aleast 3-1 just base on how the team was constructed from 2011-2014* more so 4-0. *2011 Finals loss is the biggest Red mark of LJs career, No Excuses he choked and under performed* it's like the Monstars took his abilities. I believe it was karma for bragging about winning 7 Rings or revenge for D. Wade beating the same Dallas team in 2006 with Shaq, but I believe LJ was overly happy for the opportunity to win a ring and was hurt for how disrespectful the Cavs ownership and fans treated him after he left, *but nobody's mentions the horrible rosters he had to carry for 7 years from 2003-2010 and (2007 Finals loss was a sweep but its was LJ vs 3 Spurs Hall of Famers, not even MJ winning that Finals)* Miami Heat 2011 However, for more context *per D. Wade and their Assistant Coach Fizdale from various interviews said the dynamics of LJ and Wade weren't worked out for who would be #1* LJ didn't want to step on D. Wade toes and the 2011 Finals proved it by how they both played terrible, but by 2012 they figured out during training camp and Wade graciously let LJ take over, D Wade was humble and unselfish, had he not done so they wouldn't have won those 2 Rings. *Top Reasons Miami's Big 3 didn't win more Rings* 1. *Unresloved Team Dynamics* (2011) 2. Injuries of *D. Wade (Knees)* (Even the heat didnt invest back into Wade, after LJ returned to Cleveland) 3. 4 Straight Finals was tuff for D Wade and Chris Bosh bodies. 3. *Chris Bosh life threatening and career ending health issues (Blood Clots) started to develop in 2014 but I believe it was an issue before that* and nobody knew and by 2016 Bosh had retired with his jersey in the rafters. (LJ made the right move going back to Cleveland 2015. But Kyrie & Love both got hurt in 2015 Finals Cavs Lost smh bad luck) just Crazy 4. *The Spurs were an All-time Great Dynasty with 3 Legit Hall of Famers in Tony Parker, Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili* they were consistently great from early 2000s to mid 2010s. LJ is 1 - 2 Spurs (2007 - 2014) Miami Heat was a great team, love those days *let's not forget LJ was robbed of Unanimous NBA MVP in 2012 & 2013 and Defensive Player of the Year Award in 2013* but some how Curry gets Unanimous NBA MVP in 2016 over LJ, but gets destroyed by LJ in the 2016 Finals, you can make this stuff up!. Great Vid!
@@digimon3522 Curry deserved that MVP, but Lebron should have gotten the first unanimous MVP in 2012 and he was robbed of that title. Some New York writer who hated Lebron voted for Carmelo for MVP that year.
@@marklaw4006 Of course they don't make the finals. But if he suffered some season ending injury between the ecf and finals with how wade played they might've won the finals.
LeBron still averaged 18pts in the finals. He's still a factor why it's a close one, but they could've won that series if LeBron's average at least 6 more points. If LeBron got injured before the finals, the Mavs would've swept the heat regardless if wade played like in 2006.
that Ac game is very underrated. imagine lebron did not cramp the shiii out of his legs. big chance they won that game and they snatched game two . what could've been .
Or if JR had just made that layup in Game 1 of 2017 instead of dribbling out the clock and the Cavs beat the Warriors. The Warriors were by far the better team, but the Cavs clearly gave up on that series after JR blew that game.
let's be honest tho can't blame the heat they tried their best, teams just didn't want to trade with them so they had so settle with FAs and Gems in the draft
Serious question. Why do all these LeBron fans feel the need to justify when he fails? I’m looking in these comments and people resort to slander to “JorDAn hAD hElP LeBRoN dIdnT” to blatant lying. Dudes it’s ok. Sometimes great players shrink and injuries happen.
I agree with your take. Lebron is an all-time player but he’s not perfect. 2011 is the biggest example of that. He underperformed badly in that series, and that cost his team who were actually really solid that year. It happens with every player (MJ in the 95 Semifinals, Shaq in the 97 Semifinals, Kobe in the 2004 Finals, Steph in the 2016 Finals) and people need to realize that even the greatest players aren’t unbeatable, and have their low points.
LeBron didn’t meltdown vs Mavs. He had an unfamiliar role on that team. It was Wade’s team at that time. Bron couldn’t adjust to being number two. After that season Bron became the clear number One.
@@smoothjulio i watched them all play. Bosh was talented enough to be THE guy. He sacrificed the most out of the big 3, his stats im the playoffs dont tell the whole story.
Lebron thought that we was going to win lots of rings. DWade looked at him crazy when he was counting off the rings. And Tim Duncan killed Chris Bosh two years straight in the Finals. But I like this video, can you do a background check on Jimmy Butler?
Shut up. People have to stop using Ray and Kyrie as ways to slander Lebron. It disrespects both of them as players. They were clutch when it mattered and it’s time people respected them for what they did, rather then use them to hate on Lebron.
I think the biggest reason why they were never a dynasty was because of injuries both bosch and Wade were hardly themselves in 2014 due to championship/finalist fatigue.
I remember when the decision was made and this heat team came together,everyone thought they would beat the bulls regular season wins record. Wade became over the hill and Bosh was definitely overrated but they still made 4 finals and won back 2 back titles.
My dude Chris Bosh was force to play from the 3 point line the entire time in Miami as the 3 option to clear the lane for lebron something that he never did in his entire career. Haven’t you ever asked yourself why star players never do well when they play with lebron.? That’s what happens when you play in the lebron James system in which he has to dominate the ball.
You trippin, trashin Bosh like that. He was the most important piece to the defense being a big man that could hold his own vs gaurds and wing while still being accustomed to gaurding true bigs. Plus his ability to post up, be a lob threat, AND sfrwtch the floor to the 3pt line which was still considered special and even more special seding as he was a 5 made the offense gel even more due to the massive amounts of space he providef along side Battier, Chalmers, Ray Allen and other shooters. I should slap you Barry.
@@nonamewillbegiven1217 also tim pit up 19 amd 12 at 36 in 2013. Context given 36 aint a horrible age for the GOAT PF to put up those numbers. Its Tim Duncan, not some random allstar
Tbh they arguably did. By football standards for sure. They made 4 finals in a row won 2. More of a dynasty than the Bad Boy Pistons thats for sure. 2013 Heat was the most stacked roster from top to bottom I've ever seen in basketball.
Please explain how the big three heat weren't a dynasty? They won 2 chips in 4 years and went to 4 straight finals. Not sure this guy knows what a dynasty is.....
A dynasty it has to win at least 3 rings in 3 or in number of years. 1949-1954 Minneapolis lakers 5 rings in 6 years 1957-1969 Boston Celtics 11 rings in 13 years 1980-1988 LA Lakers 5 rings in 8 years 1991-1998 Chicago bulls 6 rings in 8 years 2000-2002 LA lakers, 3 peat 1999-2014 spurs, 5 rings in 15 years 2015-2022 warriors, 4 rings in 8 years At least 3 rings is needed to be called a dynasty, 2 rings can’t be
Ya Lebron learned nothing from having Bosh as the 3rd option when he formed the Cavs big 3. Love was a bad fit and they could’ve assembled an overall better team with 2-3 other players to make up for that production.
Bosh's name shouldn't even be on this list. His offensive game was hit or miss, but he's one of the best pick and roll defenders of all time and anchored that defense. He was the second-most important Heat throughout that run. Role players should be number 1. The 11 team was starting Mike Bibby who couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat and Joel Anthony. Miller and Haslem were supposed to be the key role players but Miller shot 29% from 3 in the playoffs and Haslem was banged up and not the same guy he was in the mid/late 2000s. 2014 their roster was ancient. Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis and Shane Battier all retired after the season. Wade's knees were shot. It's kind of amazing they got as far as they did, especially after three straight finalas runs, but the East was weak.
@@controversialmann5345 “time to time” imagine lebron was on a team that only let him handle the ball and drive and dish from time to time how well would he play? No one is gonna play well if theyre only allowed to use their best ability from time to time.
1 minute in, and this is garbage, just stating oh "labron's having xxx less points/rebound/assist in the final, and that's why they lose". Is this a basketball analysis or are we taking a math lesson?
The biggest reason why Heat never became a dynasty was because of Tom Brady
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Well your not wrong
Elaborate
@@dontheavatar he willed the other teams to win
@@dontheavatar the running joke on this channel is that tom brady lives rent free in Barry's head
What this video fails to mention is prior to the NBA draft, Wade had a decision to make undergoing his Meniscus. He could choose to have his meniscus repaired which would have been good long term for him, but he probably would have missed the 2003 NBA Draft. He instead chose to have his Meniscus removed which was a good short term option but it lead to long term knee issues.
Wade's decline is a result of his decision to remove his meniscus
@@vulcanraven9701 Wade never had an ACL injury. He had ossatron treatment on his knee during the 2008 offseason.
Yep that decision really cut his prime short 5 years. He should have peaked 09-14 but instead 2011 was it
@@29100tempest the fuck
Shout out to the Akira profile picture
Overall it was the right decision....dude got himself out the hood (which he wouldntve if he missed the draft) and went on to have a hof career anyway
“Wade still attacks the rim but in a very different wayyyy…”
Dude I fucking died 😂😂
a 7 and a half minute set up for that
I’m tryna get the joke but I cant
@@imissedthejokedummy4550 his son is a trans. And Wade has been suspect
@@mikesaiditfirstonyoutube2750 oh ok lmao i been known that I just didn’t get the correlation, my bad
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1. Was Lebrons melt down in 2011
2. Going to 4 straight finals put fatigued on everybody but seemingly LeBron.
3. Nobody was willing to trade with Miami (if the best players was a 30+ year old Ray Allen, 30+ year Shane Battier, and 30+ year Anderson all pick ups in FA then yea it was hard to do transactions)
4. No young guys (it was just Norris Cole that’s it)
5. Wade injuries
Astonishing feat for LeBron. Defy the odds many times. He got beat for valid reasons! 07 he carried. 14 Heat was on shambles! Id rather see Pacers in the finals 15 he had nobody to rely on 17 18 Snake crashed to the party.
Jordan had it all. Kukoc Kerr Armstrong Paxson Harper Rodman Horace. LeBron had who? Ray Allen?!?! Who didnt even start their lineup. MJ had big boys who can do it on both ends!
@@goldlion9066 i say that all the time when jordan fans mention lebron
Tom Brady had to be a factor aswell
@@willwillson9064 literally 2011-2014 he had better 4 quarters then majority of EVERY BODY the 2011 finals is your only argument.
Wow you were able to add ONE person, who was 25 when Bron got there. Congrats now just explain, Wade, Ray Allen, Birdman, Battier, Miller, Ronny Turiaf, Mike Bibby, Rashard Lewis, James Jones, Juwan Howard, Erick Dampier, Eddie Houe, Udonis Haslem, injured Greg Oden. They even had rumors of AI coming out of retirement. Don’t talk about something you don’t know nothing about.
The warriors were what people thought the heat would be
Dude the warriors aredifferent from the heat. If u think Miami are a superteam then the warriors are the freaking Avengers allplayers in their prime.
(Curry and Thompson playstyle was perfect for every team tho)
Eh, 3 rings in 5 finals appearances (so far) and being derailed by injury. The only differences were the breakout season for a relatively unknown team, and the way the core was assembled...
And playstyle too, just pointing out overall statistical similarities...
@@rlmalonzo1184 woooosh
@@Meyr3356 3 rings in 5 nba final appearances
@@thechild7355 You are quite correct
I agree with everything you said. Still, those were some very fun years as a diehard Heat fan. Fun/frustrating times, but just awesome overall.
Question, how do you view Bron and his tenure with the Heat? I hear that Heat fans are divided.
@@JawaPenguin16 his tenure with us to me was amazing yea he choked in 2011 finals but besides that his 4 years with us was worth it we got rings and final appearances out of it, can’t complain with that lol but idk why some feel divided
@@JawaPenguin16 he is a choke artist. Just like he really did choke against the Mavericks in the 2011 Finals and Chris Bosh got killed by Dirk and Tim Duncan.
Pat and Spo have made bad decisions.
They’re was no core, I tell ppl with Lebron Wade would have retired early and Beasley would been our future. MICHEAL BEASLEY. Mario, Cole weren’t good player just borderline bench role player that average from 3. Same with rest team as Battier Miller and Allen were past prime could do much beside play decent defense and shoot threes. Also no consistent big killed us. Chris Anderson good help but with Udonis aging and Bosh being a stretch five we struggle in guard bigs. I mean look other center we signed just get help in the front court. Joel Anthony, Jwan Howard, Greg Oden (surprise play good when he was in but again injuries stop him) even bust pick Dexter Pittman.
Being a miami native and a heat fan my whole life those few years were just amazing to watch win or lose
LeBron left is probably the main reason, but another one is our lack of Bigman we couldn't get a good enough big man since teams didn't want to trade with the heat so the best we got was Chris Andersen...and don't get me wrong Birdman was great but imagine if we got pre-extension Hassan
That’s what happens when you try to put a super team together.
@@vulcanraven9701 give them Kobe Bryant and Chris Paul while you at it.
thats a forgotten part of the narrative, every team vetoed the heat and trading with them was pretty much forgiven...
I remember Miami trying to get Nene from Denver, but they sent him to Washington instead because the owners all agreed to not trade with Miami. Then they had to settle for Ronny Turiaf after Denver cut him, who was a complete stiff.
Yeah the Heatles era lack of bigmen was concerning. They made Roy Hibbert look like a superstar on 2013. They were lucky that the early 2010s was the weakest era of big men.
How good was John Stockton and Karl Malone actually?
malone way more impactful to their success lmao
Malone was the sole reason for their success. People point out Stockton always being the all time assist leader but he threw the ball to a guaranteed bucket in Karl Malone. He didn’t really make any teammates better he was more a product of coaching and good teammates
I guess he'll expose them more than praise
Malone= huge playoff choker even other players like Pippen shat on the guy and said he didn't show up in the playoffs.
RS PER: 23.9, TS%=57.8%
PS PER: 21.1, TS%=52.6
RS king but playoff loser.
Malone and Stockton were terrible playoff performers. 9 first round exits. They couldn’t even make the finals until the rest of the league was old and weakened from expansion. The mid/late ‘90s NBA was an old and extremely watered-down league.
Because they did not have Tom Brady's luck.
Only Tom Brady has Tom Brady's luck.
I do agree bosh was a bit overated but he definitely wasn't as bad as you made him sound. You made it sound like he wasn't even a top 30 player. When he definitely was at least top 25. He did disappear for stretches of the game but that's exactly what playing along side lebron and wade would do.
As a matter of a fact in Golden state Klay, Steph, and kd would each disappear for long stretches. That's three of the best shooter to ever play with probably some of the best chemistry ever.
Bosh was the second best player after that first year. Crazy how much disrespect he gets. Wade was still Wade the first year of the the big 3 but he dropped off QUICK. The only other player I remember regressing that quickly was Chris Webber.
@Geassmaster55 draymond in 2017 reg season and 2016 finals was better than bosh, but aside from that he was a offensive liability. so being "much better" is not true at all, maybe just better since he wasnt exposed for being a terrible offensive player due to the greatness of curry and durant mostly
@@mapl3mamba651 u dont know what ur talking about shut the fk up
Green is one of the main reason that GSW offense was as fluid as it was
Big 3 was literally 3 good players carrying team full borderline role player G league players and old men
jordan had pippen and a bunch of roll player but nice try. lebrick is 3-9 in finals.
@@hhh1200 NO ONE MENTION MJ . But I guess Ron Harper, Rodman, and kukoc were role players never won awards or were allstars. Why do you Mj sexual cult have downgrade MJ teammates. Smh
@@KOCChristian Rodman, Harper, and Kukoc were role players though lol. Two defensive specialists and a sixth man… I hate when people gas up the Bulls during their second three-peat as some super stacked team…
@@alexdelarge703 They had so many good role players that's how you become stacked that's how it works
@@KOCChristian bc so many ppl overrate those 90s bulls teams. Michael jordan and phil jackson made that team what it was. Scottie was a role player (the greatest role player ever, but still just a role player), along with the rest of the players. Triangle and mj's gravity + intensity is what pushed and enabled those very flawed players to play to their full potential, which is something we've never seen from a lebron led group bc he's not as coachable and prefers having the ball in his hands all the time. The 2010s heat and cavs were stacked compared to those teams
2011: Lebron’s fault
2014: Injuries
LeBron and Wade had no help in 2011
@@UnemploymentScrub23 Im a big Lebron fan but in reality it was *Chris bosh and D Wade had no help in 2011
@@UnemploymentScrub23 you mean wade
Tbh Mavs zone up and no one could make shots so Lebron force shot
2014: Wade***
LBJ shot 48% that series and Bosh shot 41%.
Lebron shut down in the 4th, but that Mavs 5 man lineup had one of the best +\- in history per 100.
Them mavs are more than eager to revenge for their '06 loss.
Those Mavs peaked in the playoffs. Crazy crazy team. Fucked the championship Lakers, Young Thunder, Blazers and Heatles.
The Mavericks are so underrated.
Remember, overrated doesn’t mean bad, unless it’s Tom Brady
Fucking GOLD
I always felt like the pieces on those Heat teams never fit all that well. Only reason they got the two chips was just because of sheer talent. In a way it makes LeBron look even better considering he won titles with a team that never had the greatest chemisty.
I actually think the same could be said of LeBron's teammates during his second stint with the Cavs. They took Kevin Love, someone who was used to getting the ball in the post and sometimes even orchestrating the offense, and made him a 3 and D guy without the D. They basically just told him to sit in the corner and shoot threes. Kyrie was of course extremely talented but like Wade, I never felt like he meshed particularly well stylistically with LeBron, both being ball dominant play initiators. The only superstar LeBron's played with that I think complements his game well is Anthony Davis. The only problem there IMO has been Davis' stubborn refusal to play center.
I think Kyrie fit cuz he could close and play off ball. With Kevin Love he got most of his shots of 3s and putbacks. Plus he turned into an efficient 3 point shooter and passer.
it's kind of weird that the big three heat did not overachieve nor underachieve. Most nba teams, (especially superteams) do one or the other
They were great but kinda did underachieve. At least compared to what they were expected to win. "Not 1, Not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7..."
@@RaidenNexus97 People expected many rings at the time, but with hindsight, it is hard seeing that heat roster win more than two rings without something extraordinary happening. A team that relied pretty exclusively on three players cannot have underachieved after winning multiple titles
@@cheifcharlie5963 agreed 8 rings is impossible unless you play in a league in the 60s with 8 teams as the Celtics
@@Lucas-vr1qr 8+ rings is only possible if you play with the GOAT and the best team in the West is a Lakers team that refused (until Wilt) to get a real Center.
Going to 4 straight finals and winning 2 is pretty damn good. If it was anyone else but LeBron we’d still be talking about how legendary it is, lol
Going to three in row twice and winning all of them while being the unanimous best player on the court each time is far greater.
@@iheartcicadamanaging to type this comment with Jordan’s meat in your mouth is even greater. Nicely done
@@iheartcicada 55-27 when he left in 1994 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
So in 2011, it was Lebron's fault. After that, he had to carry Wade and Bosh who were both on the way down. There was never a big 3 in Miami.
there was in regular season
Lol there was a big 3 up until 2013. In 2014 when wade and bosh had their major injuries, that's when LeBron had to really put the team in his shoulders.
@@nicksamp515 yes and coincidentally spurs decided to become a gsw blueprint in that same season lmao
If Wade could have stayed healthy Lebron would have stayed but by 2013/2014 it was obvious Wade was past his prime
I’d still call 2012 & 2013 Wade a superstar even if he wasn’t as good as he was during his peak.
He played like a slightly better Dejonute Murray that’s not a superstar
Right, his PER was the best of any SG in the NBA in 2012 and 2013 and he was top 10 in scoring in both years as well
We need a Paul George career video just for the jokes alone
Most over hated player
also a big thing is defense. 2012 was the last time wade could still be good on defense and while bosh was great he was susceptible to being abused by bigs. after that both bosh and wade were always banged up in the playoffs and the rest of the team was very incosistent on defense. lebron straight up, alongside great coaching, carried this team defensively specially in the last two years. its very heavy to carry the team defensively and offensively.
Do a video on the Lebron cavs from 2014-2018
The Warriors end of video
@@MsALI201 Choke state warriors decided to get KD and basically ruin everything because how embarrassing the L in 2016 was.
Kyrie and Love were injured in 2015, Warriors choked in 2016 and KD joined them, there
I understand it's splitting hairs, but if four finals in four years isn't a dynasty I don't know what is
sure if you won all of them, they didn’t even win three of them, that’s not a dynasty…
It was how the big 3 acted before playing together. The Miami Heat rally before even playing a game was cringe and don't forget the not 1, not 2, not 3 speech. Watching 2 guys that were top 5 and a top 20 guy joining forces in their prime felt like a improved version of the Celtics who joined forces when they were coming out of their prime. Miami could have won 3 if Lebron didn't choke on the 2011 finals.
The real reason is simply money and cap space.
GSW had Steph, Klay, KD, Draymond.
Brooklyn right now can afford KD Harden & Kyrie all on max deals.
Miami’s big 3 had to all take pay cuts and could still barely afford good role players.
Golden States situation is slightly more nuanced, they had one of the best contracts of all time in Stephs rookie extension plus the massive cap spike right after 2016.
As a Mavericks fan, I enjoyed watching this greatly. The 2011 Finals is the greatest Finals of the 10s and you can't tell me otherwise.
What’s funny is the 2 greatest finals of the 2010’s consisted of LeBrons biggest choke, and his biggest accomplishment.
2016 sorry
2016 ?
As a Heat fan when I hear 2011 NBA finals all I see is red
2016 finals were definitely better than 2011. Can’t tell me otherwise. Still a great accomplish for the Mavericks though.
2011: Lebrons fault
2014: AC malfunction
@@billthegoatrussell6608 exactly but ppl seem to forget that
@@jacobfarley247 yeah but LeBron does a lot more. And he has had cramp issues before. Some people take heat differently
@@mikesaiditfirstonyoutube2750 ppl call him a crybaby or he used those cramp excuses to “quit” on his team
Nice excuse Bronsexual
Yall blaming one game yet cant win on your damn home court 😂 but Miami fans dont want to talk about how Ginobili was hard fouled near the end of game 6 when the calls mattered. Excuses can go on
Great video, LOL at the ending
You take Bosh off this team they probably still go to 4 finals. Do they win two? Probably not. But take LBJ off of this team and they don't go to a finals.
I mean they definitely don’t win 2 without bosh he don’t get that rebound that led to the allen shot they lose in 2013
take lebrick off a team and you might have better than a 3-9 finals record. i don't count that covid bubble title.
You must be out of your mind without Bosh they wouldn't have won a chip. D Wayde's knees are made out of discarded cocaine baggies that washed up on the Miami shore.
PunchQuote Yeah because if u take lebron off u don’t even sniff the finals and I’m pretty sure it’s 4-6 not 3-9 😂
@@hunterdvs6535 They also dont win if LeBron didnt dropped 16 points in the 4th
Can you make a video exposing that this heat team really wasn’t a superteam
If they lost an NBA finals, they are not a super team lol. Especially to the likes of veterans like Dirk, Tyson Chandler, JKidd, and Shawn Marion. The Heat played some of the hardest teams in the 2010s in the finals.
@@UnemploymentScrub23 I’m not belittling them but Bron haters Love to bring up that fact that the heat was a super team but it wasnt
They were a superteam
@@UnemploymentScrub23 they went to 4 straight finals. they were a super team
@@jon_s849 they weren’t dumbass
People talk about Chris Bosh like he was the modern day Dennis Rodman. In reality nobody would ever talk about him if not for the big 3
Heat won their back to back nba titles in Lebron 4 yrs in Miami
*Finally someone using FACTS, STATS and CONTEXT about LJ and the Miami Heat* unbiased.
I my opinion *the Heat shouldve been 4-0 or aleast 3-1 just base on how the team was constructed from 2011-2014* more so 4-0.
*2011 Finals loss is the biggest Red mark of LJs career, No Excuses he choked and under performed* it's like the Monstars took his abilities.
I believe it was karma for bragging about winning 7 Rings or revenge for D. Wade beating the same Dallas team in 2006 with Shaq, but I believe LJ was overly happy for the opportunity to win a ring and was hurt for how disrespectful the Cavs ownership and fans treated him after he left, *but nobody's mentions the horrible rosters he had to carry for 7 years from 2003-2010 and (2007 Finals loss was a sweep but its was LJ vs 3 Spurs Hall of Famers, not even MJ winning that Finals)*
Miami Heat 2011
However, for more context *per D. Wade and their Assistant Coach Fizdale from various interviews said the dynamics of LJ and Wade weren't worked out for who would be #1* LJ didn't want to step on D. Wade toes and the 2011 Finals proved it by how they both played terrible, but by 2012 they figured out during training camp and Wade graciously let LJ take over, D Wade was humble and unselfish, had he not done so they wouldn't have won those 2 Rings.
*Top Reasons Miami's Big 3 didn't win more Rings*
1. *Unresloved Team Dynamics* (2011)
2. Injuries of *D. Wade (Knees)*
(Even the heat didnt invest back into Wade, after LJ returned to Cleveland)
3. 4 Straight Finals was tuff for D Wade and Chris Bosh bodies.
3. *Chris Bosh life threatening and career ending health issues (Blood Clots) started to develop in 2014 but I believe it was an issue before that* and nobody knew and by 2016 Bosh had retired with his jersey in the rafters.
(LJ made the right move going back to Cleveland 2015. But Kyrie & Love both got hurt in 2015 Finals Cavs Lost smh bad luck) just Crazy
4. *The Spurs were an All-time Great Dynasty with 3 Legit Hall of Famers in Tony Parker, Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili* they were consistently great from early 2000s to mid 2010s. LJ is 1 - 2 Spurs (2007 - 2014)
Miami Heat was a great team, love those days *let's not forget LJ was robbed of Unanimous NBA MVP in 2012 & 2013 and Defensive Player of the Year Award in 2013* but some how Curry gets Unanimous NBA MVP in 2016 over LJ, but gets destroyed by LJ in the 2016 Finals, you can make this stuff up!.
Great Vid!
Nothing but fax
Winning Regular Season MVP has nothing to do with how well or how bad you perform at the playoffs!! Besides Curry definitely deserved that MVP!!
@@digimon3522 Curry deserved that MVP, but Lebron should have gotten the first unanimous MVP in 2012 and he was robbed of that title. Some New York writer who hated Lebron voted for Carmelo for MVP that year.
"no offfense Jose Fernandez" lmaooooooo
I’m so sorry for ur loss
It's still weird to think the Heat could've won in 2011 without LeBron
Nope. They wouldn't have make it to the finals without Lebron.
@@marklaw4006 Of course they don't make the finals. But if he suffered some season ending injury between the ecf and finals with how wade played they might've won the finals.
LeBron still averaged 18pts in the finals. He's still a factor why it's a close one, but they could've won that series if LeBron's average at least 6 more points. If LeBron got injured before the finals, the Mavs would've swept the heat regardless if wade played like in 2006.
‘Not one, not two, and definitely not seven.’ 😆
Because a true dynasty is 3 in a row
that Ac game is very underrated. imagine lebron did not cramp the shiii out of his legs. big chance they won that game and they snatched game two . what could've been .
Or if JR had just made that layup in Game 1 of 2017 instead of dribbling out the clock and the Cavs beat the Warriors. The Warriors were by far the better team, but the Cavs clearly gave up on that series after JR blew that game.
They were very top-heavy
Especially in 2011. Bench was god awful
@@DenniDownBad Yup. Fucking Mike Bibby at PG lol.
let's be honest tho can't blame the heat they tried their best, teams just didn't want to trade with them so they had so settle with FAs and Gems in the draft
They won back to back chips it was a amazing time
The “Dwayne Wade’s knees” section had me laughing.
Not LebChina's fault. Story of his life. Nothing is.
'Lebchina' grow some balls dumbas, you sure as hell wouldn't say it to his face why say it behind that screen.
Did you not watch the video? 2011 was his fault.
Pls make more videos like these, you deserve more subs for sure
I didn't follow basketball too much, so the end of the video was an unpleasant revelation. Thank you, Barry.
Serious question. Why do all these LeBron fans feel the need to justify when he fails? I’m looking in these comments and people resort to slander to “JorDAn hAD hElP LeBRoN dIdnT” to blatant lying. Dudes it’s ok. Sometimes great players shrink and injuries happen.
@@jennyanydots2389 as ignorant as all that was, it brought me a good laugh. Thanks Jenny
I agree with your take. Lebron is an all-time player but he’s not perfect. 2011 is the biggest example of that. He underperformed badly in that series, and that cost his team who were actually really solid that year. It happens with every player (MJ in the 95 Semifinals, Shaq in the 97 Semifinals, Kobe in the 2004 Finals, Steph in the 2016 Finals) and people need to realize that even the greatest players aren’t unbeatable, and have their low points.
We need a Russell Wilson QB video. Is he a hall of famer?
Lmao the Jose Fernandez reference. I didn't know who he was till the Baseball Doesn't Exist video on him
LeBron didn’t meltdown vs Mavs. He had an unfamiliar role on that team. It was Wade’s team at that time. Bron couldn’t adjust to being number two. After that season Bron became the clear number One.
This revisionist history on chris bosh is crazy.
@@smoothjulio i watched them all play. Bosh was talented enough to be THE guy. He sacrificed the most out of the big 3, his stats im the playoffs dont tell the whole story.
“Revisionist” history comments are stupid. Accept the facts.
You should do this for the Paul "poopy pants" Pierce, KG and Ray Allen Celtics too.
1993/94 and 94/95 Bulls vs when Jordan was on the team
Well it's hard to keep a super team
Because the Spurs were so good
Lebron thought that we was going to win lots of rings. DWade looked at him crazy when he was counting off the rings. And Tim Duncan killed Chris Bosh two years straight in the Finals. But I like this video, can you do a background check on Jimmy Butler?
bron was just young and excited didnt know any better
lechoke! Name gets right to the point! Without Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving lechoke is 2 & 8 in the Finals!
Shut up. People have to stop using Ray and Kyrie as ways to slander Lebron. It disrespects both of them as players. They were clutch when it mattered and it’s time people respected them for what they did, rather then use them to hate on Lebron.
It's mainly Dwyane Wade was injured during the run, and Chris Bosh isn't really in that level (and also got some life-threatening blood clots)
Bosh was always a step below being in the Near Superstar
Closing remarks and thumbnail were crazy
I mean 4 straight finals and two championships? What do we call that?
We dont!
I think the biggest reason why they were never a dynasty was because of injuries both bosch and Wade were hardly themselves in 2014 due to championship/finalist fatigue.
@@nonamewillbegiven1217 but finalist fatigue.
Bosh is overhated, look at him in the season in which LeBron left
I remember when the decision was made and this heat team came together,everyone thought they would beat the bulls regular season wins record. Wade became over the hill and Bosh was definitely overrated but they still made 4 finals and won back 2 back titles.
My dude Chris Bosh was force to play from the 3 point line the entire time in Miami as the 3 option to clear the lane for lebron something that he never did in his entire career. Haven’t you ever asked yourself why star players never do well when they play with lebron.? That’s what happens when you play in the lebron James system in which he has to dominate the ball.
You trippin, trashin Bosh like that. He was the most important piece to the defense being a big man that could hold his own vs gaurds and wing while still being accustomed to gaurding true bigs. Plus his ability to post up, be a lob threat, AND sfrwtch the floor to the 3pt line which was still considered special and even more special seding as he was a 5 made the offense gel even more due to the massive amounts of space he providef along side Battier, Chalmers, Ray Allen and other shooters. I should slap you Barry.
@@nonamewillbegiven1217 he had 1 good series in 13 puttin up 22 and 10 then was avereging like 10 and 7 the next year. Safe to say he got solved
They got blitzed in 2014 😂😂 you really gonna blame that on Bosh!!
@@nonamewillbegiven1217 also tim pit up 19 amd 12 at 36 in 2013. Context given 36 aint a horrible age for the GOAT PF to put up those numbers. Its Tim Duncan, not some random allstar
Barry will you make an in-depth video about Russell Wilson? Thanks! - Fellow Troop Lover
They could’ve had a 3 peat
Why u do my boy WADE LIKE THAT 😭😭
Because he was hurt and did squat in the 2nd matchup against the Spurs.
When building a superteam! Especially teams where three superstars share the floor! You cant expect all of them to have MVP level seasons!!
That last part tho 💀
Tbh they arguably did. By football standards for sure. They made 4 finals in a row won 2. More of a dynasty than the Bad Boy Pistons thats for sure. 2013 Heat was the most stacked roster from top to bottom I've ever seen in basketball.
They weren't even the best team of the 2010s, that was the Warriors
At the very least should have had 3 or four, what a shame.
Not one, not two, not three
LeBron James promised he would win 8 championships.
Please explain how the big three heat weren't a dynasty? They won 2 chips in 4 years and went to 4 straight finals. Not sure this guy knows what a dynasty is.....
A dynasty it has to win at least 3 rings in 3 or in number of years.
1949-1954 Minneapolis lakers 5 rings in 6 years
1957-1969 Boston Celtics 11 rings in 13 years
1980-1988 LA Lakers 5 rings in 8 years
1991-1998 Chicago bulls 6 rings in 8 years
2000-2002 LA lakers, 3 peat
1999-2014 spurs, 5 rings in 15 years
2015-2022 warriors, 4 rings in 8 years
At least 3 rings is needed to be called a dynasty, 2 rings can’t be
What happened to the not 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 i men these guys were a super team should have easily been able to win 8 in a row.. why didn't that happen????
@@johnnythekid4601because they were only together for 4 years
Will someone please sponsor this man!!! Everyone! You need your own fn shoe by now!
That intermittent chiming was driving me crazy
Ya Lebron learned nothing from having Bosh as the 3rd option when he formed the Cavs big 3. Love was a bad fit and they could’ve assembled an overall better team with 2-3 other players to make up for that production.
The big 3 just got McCockinered!
Because LeBron James is overrated af
Bosh did have that clutch rebound & kickout to Allen for that clutch 3.
I’m a heat fan I’m not mad did nothing but laugh 🤣🤣💯
I love Barry but this man said the heat blew a 5 point lead in the last 7 minutes haha
Ngl those times were good in Miami
They still won 2 finals though. Still a legendary team.
Bosh and Wade’s bodies broke down.
I mean, the eastern conference was trash, you could be under 500 and make the playoffs
Bosh's name shouldn't even be on this list. His offensive game was hit or miss, but he's one of the best pick and roll defenders of all time and anchored that defense. He was the second-most important Heat throughout that run.
Role players should be number 1. The 11 team was starting Mike Bibby who couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat and Joel Anthony. Miller and Haslem were supposed to be the key role players but Miller shot 29% from 3 in the playoffs and Haslem was banged up and not the same guy he was in the mid/late 2000s.
2014 their roster was ancient. Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis and Shane Battier all retired after the season. Wade's knees were shot. It's kind of amazing they got as far as they did, especially after three straight finalas runs, but the East was weak.
Lebron got Bosh into the HoF. He was never getting there without him
Wait, doesn't winning two back to back titles technically makes you a dynasty?
No you need 3
The simple answer. the spurs
Not 1 not 2 not 3....that killled it. The jinx was real
Bosh couldn’t produce cause he was forced to be a spot up shooter…
No he wasnt he could cut and post up time to time
@@controversialmann5345 “time to time” imagine lebron was on a team that only let him handle the ball and drive and dish from time to time how well would he play? No one is gonna play well if theyre only allowed to use their best ability from time to time.
I don’t know, man. Four straight Finals and back to back titles are about as close to a dynasty as you can get these days.
i feel like if they won in 2011 i don’t think they win in 2013 and no chris bosh was more underrated than overrated
This is Dope
Just goes to shows that the West on this era is unstoppable. LBON DWADE? nahhh
A team of champions vs a champion team
1 minute in, and this is garbage, just stating oh "labron's having xxx less points/rebound/assist in the final, and that's why they lose". Is this a basketball analysis or are we taking a math lesson?
Obviously because Lebron didn't play like Lebron.