The 2016 Finals Completely Changed the NBA (Here's every reason why)
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- The 2016 Finals Completely Changed the NBA (Here's every reason why)
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In high school the 2016 finals were going on while I had football practice and we all used the phrase “Cavs in 7” as a joke about never giving up on Lebron. Then they won and it became our slogan for the season, and then we won our league. Fun year no doubt
My freshman year had just ended. I remember watching that game start to finish.
Hell fucking yeah the next day in class was jumping
I still use that slogan
It’s lit
Lebron in 7!
Greatest season in NBA history.
Kobe 60 piece in his final game.
First ever unanimous MVP.
Best regular season record of all time.
First 3-1 comeback in Finals history.
No season came close besides 2019
everything about that season was damn near perfect. Damn near being the key words cuz im a warriors fan
I agree. It was a fairy tale come to life
2016 Dunk contest
@@simiwade7773 how
Your last sentence summed it up.
Steph and Lebron have nothing left to prove. With any team, they will find a way to win by being smarter and working harder.
Kyrie, KD, and Russ are either not good leaders, or not leaders at all, and when it came time to prove it, they never did. They have just as much skill, and can’t do what the men above them can.
NO LIES HERE MY GUY!!
You can also add Harden to that list as well.
Steph has Bron to partly thank for that. Warriors v Lebron for how many Finals. Warriors learned from those battles what it takes to be champion and they took it and ran. Now i wonder who the warriors will battle and teach, my money is on Celtics
@@blackdynamitemn3259 could be lakers if they can somehow get kyrie with Lebron
Id still argue lebron Needs 1 More Ring Imo, only because he said hes chasing mj , if it wasnt for that tho he wouldnt need to prove anything.
But Steph Definitley Doesnt have anything else to prove.
If Kd Doesnt win another ring or atleast makes a finals again You could legitimately call his career dissapointing.
Kyrie IMO Has Kind of already overdelivered in his career, another finals would help but honestly id kinda argue he doesnt have anything else to prove either. He has a ring rookie of the year all star mvp 3 point champion and 50/40/90 member. Hes honestly already good.
Even Russ id argue has already proven enough imo, him winning a ring as a role player would prove hes a winning player, but his game just isnt suitable to be a role player, he cant shoot or play defense. So tbh his career is already kinda proven. He went from a average college player to an mvp thats pretty good imo.
It completely revived the sports popularity amongst non-sport fans! The finals was the first full basketball game I watched. Now It's my favorite sport! That block from lebron. The 3 by kyrie. Along with Kevin love locking it down in those final minutes were all just incredible to watch. even from an uninformed view I knew I was watching something special.
That’s crazy it was the first full game I saw too and now it’s my favorite sport! Crazy how that works
the Warriors Cavs trilogy I have to thank for getting me into basketball
@Decembers! Cavs did it wasn't love by himself
Without Kyrie 3 cavs lose
@Decembers! And thanks to Love, Stef is now invincible. Short term gains, Long term defeat.
Normally the box score, doesn't always tell the full story, but that game 5 was literally unconscious Lebron and Kyrie vs Golden State. It really was.
I'd say it also applies in the Finals cause of how underrated JR was. Even Tmac dissed him like he didn't have important contributions.
@@blanktrigger8863 yeah I still remember those 7 straight clutch points by JR game 7 right after the halftime break. 7 points ain’t a lot but it’s about WHEN he got them. They were down 7 and the warriors were in the infamous third quarter where they usuallly pop off. And his defense was underrated too. His physicality on steph and klay was key in slowing them down. Granted jr is a damn fool for what he did in 2018 lmao but 2016 he was ballin
yeah man people think box score be everything irrespective of player . They need to watch the game
Nigga what
Draymond was suspended and our starting centre was injured
@@SplashReaperTV cry about it draymond came back and still got a 40 bombed dropped on his head
KD going to Golden State also shut the door on other big stars like Harden, Blake Griffin, and Chris Paul. Those guys have no legacy now because the GSW dynasty made them irrelevant. They are basically the Charles Barkleys of this era.
The Steph vs CP3 rivalry is a whole story in itself.
Nah Cp3 and harden mostly cp3 had so many chances to win a chip before the warriors became the team they are like those clippers teams CP and griffin were really good they just under performed same can be said abt harden the rockets really had a chance to beat the warriors in 2018 but harden choked and CP got hurt again
@@finessewrld23 Cp3 has even had chances in the warriors injured years and choked as well.
@@Martooo251 he definitely choked a couple times but a lot of that shit was out of his hands like getting injured or teammates getting injured man I love cp3 but It’ll be I’ll be sad af when he retires one day with no rings
@@DirtyDev exactly and he’s Sooooooo close to sometimes if they won against the warriors in 2018 they’re literally champions
Cp3 is good but he choke when moments matter, and steph don't ( except 2016 ) just saying.
Imagine a GAME WINNING SHOT ending your career? that’s crazy
Right? It was night and day after that shot.
Insane
which shot?
@@ianauki the game winning shot in game 7
It's not the shot, but Kyrie's reaction to it.
I think DJ Khaled would call it _"suffering from success"._
I think you're right, 2016 still lingers in the NBA today.
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Now that i think of it 2016 was such a dope year for the nba. Kobe retirement tour, 2016 finals, All of all-star weekend was dope. iconic Buzzer beaters, steph winning unanimous mvp. And there are probably other stuff im just forgetting but altogether this was an amazing year to be a basketball fan
Warriors vs Thunder regular season game where Mike Breen yelled the double “Bang”
The year was good period nigga
Plus warriors breaking the winning record... 73-9.
The Chicago Cubs' 3-1 comeback. The Patriots 28-3 comeback although it happen in 2017 but it was 2016-17 season for the NFL.
It was a dope yeah for a lot . Music, movies,etc
NEVER EVER CLICKED ON A VIDEO THIS FAST IN MY LIFE
Same
I’ve clicked on a video faster than I have on this one
I swear
Get a life
Same
Greatest season since i watched ball. the fact that Bron led all players in all five major categories over 7 games is still absolut ridiculous in my opinion, especially when you regard the talent level of these two rosters. Without a doubt the greatest all around player ever 🐐
That stat padding bum is nowhere near the greatest all around player ever needs more superstars to play with than anyone else ever and can’t understand about chemistry and continuity.
@@orvillewright122 “Orville”
@@orvillewright122 hater he the greatest all around player. Smh
@@orvillewright122 Hater.
greatest turnover leader ever is not the best all around
It did!! It really did!! Imagine if GS had pulled through and actually got it done? A repeat and maybe no KD? Nah, KD was going to go there regardless lol. Knowing what we know about him now!!
he was going to golden state before gs even got to the finals that year. win or lose KD was destined a warrior
If gsw had won, kd doesn’t go there. Gsw is primed for a 3 peat. Kd likely goes to Miami, Boston or maybe even the spurs etc. Only threat to gsw being the cavs or whenever kd goes. After that Houston if they still get cp3 likely beat gsw but lose to them the very next year with gsw plays Toronto in 2018/19 this time around with better depth having a chance to win if klay is healthy of course.
@@RONTHEGOAT true he was trying to get to golden state before they even won in 2015, things just played out weird cuz we started winning b4 he got here
@@AG30 19 warriors dont got depth😭😭
You guys are all wrong. Kd said in an interview/ possibly interviews that he was only going to golden state IF they lost
I would also throw in how this was the end for the Spurs dynasty as Duncan retired after the lose to the thunder and despite getting to the conf finals the next year Kawhi left. With SA and OKC gone their was a huge loss of competition in the West till Houston came around
Correct the west was real weak when the warriors caught thunder in a bottle now adays it’s tough again so this title last year means a lot
@@nate2litty the west wasn't weak lob city the harden rockets spurs thunder warriors grit grind Grizzlies it was still a good conference imo
@@zht8482 Lob city playoff wins ? Harden was breaking thru but not championship basketball , griz while tough competitors love zbo and gasol but they never won anything
Either , lakers were irrelevant Portland etc okc and warriors dominated the west look at they’re records
@@nate2littythat kinda with every conference throughout decades like for example 2000s west was most dominated by spurs and lakers obviously the west competition in 2000s is still better than 2010s but just because two teams were better were a cut above the rest dosen't mean the rest we trash lob city beat the spurs before with tim ducan and was competing with the thunder one year but ye they were a failure mostly because of injuries I agree the west was run by thunder and warriors at that time but the west was still amazing competition imo
@@zht8482 look at 2015 playoff run for warriors, injury report for opposing team … thunder
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The NBA wouldn’t be as popular right now if not for that finals. It got a lot of eyes on the sport and created so many storylines that have been interesting as hell to follow.
Lmao, the NBA is the LEAST watched sports league in the US today 😂😂😂
@@jennyarriola324yet it has the most actual invested fans
@@WorldKeepsSpinnin nfl has way more us fans.
I disagree. it arguably derailed it
I’m just glad that my city was part of HISTORY in a good way . Being the only team in NBA history to come back from a 3-1 finals lead 💯
I’ve always thought the same thing, the 2016 finals loss was the best thing to happen to golden state
Nah KD would’ve joined the warriors whether they won or not. Matter fact if they won it would’ve convinced KD even more to join them, that man has 0 pride im convinced.
@@countmusa1074 People forget the Warriors got stronger as a team outside of KD that offseason too. Whole core was still in its prime and picked up McGee, David West and Pachulia.
@@dawb86 Facts but they probably wouldn’t have beat Cleveland in 2017 without KD I think Draymond even said it. The Cavs in 2017 were even better than 2016 they were insanely dominant.
@@countmusa1074 It's possible they might not have but think about some of the main issues they struggled with the previous Finals, outside of the Draymond suspension. Interior protection. David West was still one of the best big men in the league in the low post and McGee was a serious upgrade from Ezeli at the backup who had also just come back from a long injury in the Finals when Bogut went down. Pachulia was also tough and would help them to be able to bang with Cleveland. Had Barnes re-signed with the team I don't think he would've been as quiet two Finals straight (he really was almost ineffective the entire playoffs that year and might have been dealing with an injury or fatigue because his play was just off the entire postseason) Personal opinion, the Warriors were coming back stronger either way...
I’ve said for years that 2016 entered us into a parallel universe lmaoo this is just more proof
2016 is the year to be for the NBA. That whole year was great.
I think it gets slept on how the 2016 finals affected the regular season. After the warriors pushed for 73-9, then kinda hobbled and stumbled thru the playoffs just to lose in the finals due to just looking tired, roughed up, and out of gas, no one really cared about the regular season anymore
KD and Russ have polar opposite personalities that don’t do well when on the same team. There was going to be a breakup soon. Maybe after that season.
Yet Russ has never come close to having that same success without him than with him. We all know that their personalities are different, but I think for Russ, that has to be the case if he ever wants to win a title on any team
@@SamuelDaHooper. Russ on the 2017 warriors also gets 2 rings
Bro I'm glad you mentioned the 2016 wcf, the Thunder were lowkey the favorite to come out the west and were destroying the warriors before they collapsed. Can't believe it's been 7 years already tho
That's some bad math.
Damn bro this vid fr made me realize literally the 2016 finals was the start of everything played out today
2016 changed everything not just in NBA and sports history but modern human history as a whole, politically and culturally I think it was one of the most important years of the new millennium.
Wow bro chill
You might be going a bit far 🤣🤣
@@zht8482 this nigga said millennium 🤣
💯💯💯
The fuck you getting political for 🤣 sit down
2016 finals was the most important finals of all time, the goat won the perfect ring for his team that never got a ring up to that point💯
Definitely the most impactful Finals ever probably. If KD didn’t go there we would have had Bron vs Curry part 5.
He ruined bron curry rivalry ngl
That Bron vs Curry would have been epic. It was definitely ruin. Imagine the finals. It would have been bird vs magic all over again.
Dude, the Spurs would have beaten the Warriors in the WCF had KD not joined GSW in 2017... I doubt they would have signed Zaza either if KD didn't go to GSW because they would still have their 73-9 core team... Thus, Kawhi not getting hurt and he would have definitely dominated that GSW team without KD as he did in 2019
@@alexiscando5709 kawhi did not dominate in 2017 or 2019 lol, surely 'DOMINATE" meaning a 4-0 in a playoffs. He went 6 close games with steph klay dray quin cook, old iggy, and mckinne
@@knaledgetv4849 fr
Absolute banger as always Swish, you're the man!!
Yes! I kinda figured where you were going but didn't realize how many teams and players were affected. Great vid.
This video started off a bit chaotic but by the end we were able to see the bigger picture!
Thanks for the insightful video!
amazing video, literally everything u said and presented ties back to those exact moments. thank u swishout!!!
like its crazy af actually
I think the biggest thing you didn’t mention was that 2016 solidified Lebron as a top 2-3 (depending on how people value Kareem/Shaq generally) player where before that you had more people doubting his overall spot. 2016 I feel gave Lebron a legitimate case for the GOAT that he didn’t have before and will shape discussions around Lebron’s career for generations.
wdym shaq? its always kareem bron and mj, shaq isnt even top 10 anymore
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@Brian Kaye lmao no, never been top 5
@Brian Kaye my man, you can't have Timmy D out of the top 10 like that
I still don't see Curry there, prob at the end of his career he will be tho
@@youraverage90sguys7 if you value dominance over competition you could make an argument for Shaq being above Lebron pre 2016. I wouldn’t make it but it was there. LeBron leading in every statistical category laid that to rest though.
Personally Ive always ranked Shaq in the lower half of the top 10 but can respect people who put him in the top 5.
That was a great video man, first time I've seen your channel, pretty damn impressive that you broke down the past 7 years of almost all the finals all stars in less than 15 min, Good stuff brother man, you got my sub, you earned it for sure
Probably the most insightful video I've seen from u Swish. I would think that most NBA fans definitely think about the 2016 Finals as being impactful. But no one really thinks about as to how many layers deep it goes. 💡 🤔
The 2016 Finals was a instant classic 💯
KD left westbrook because Westbrook is and has always been a ball dominant high usage player. The joke that circulated during KDs later years in OKC (when he was racking up scoring titles) was that Russ was the only player that could stop KD by not passing him the ball. I said it back then in around 2015 that the Thunder should have traded for Chris Paul.
Russ should’ve never been allowed in the nba. The worst point guard of all time
@@subzerofromny735 actual L take straight up 🤡 right here
@@subzerofromny735 russ sucks ass but thats just straight up mindless hating
@@subzerofromny735 calm down while he has his flaws you heard in the video how he changed triple doubles
@@impacc4182 You really about to sit up here and act like his triple doubles were impactful to winning on the Thunder? Those triple doubles led him to 3 straight 1st rd losses (one against a rookie Donovan Mitchell) and 4 first round losses in a 5 year period. Russ is low IQ and cost KD at the very least a closer finals series against that Heat team in 2012. Even Magic Johnson said it during that finals.
I really love this video. I’ve had this thought to a degree but for you to have it as well and expand on it and explain it this well was damn great to watch and listen to.
Prolly one of ur best videos swish. I thought it was far fetched but u made sense. Respect 💯
Love from South Africa 🇿🇦
The 2016 Finals were the greatest sports final I’ve ever seen. I’ve never been so hyped after watching a game in my life. When Cleveland won I celebrated like I was on the team lmao
These jawns you playing in the background are a decade old 😭😭😭 swishout. Bro. All ya videos make me feel nostalgic man I love it
Loved the video gave me much needed refresh and it’s pretty crazy how this season still affects true league
I grew up a huge fan of the NBA. Loved it. I lost interest in it when Jordan retired the 2nd time. Barely kept up with the NBA. But my son got me back watching during the 2016 finals and that one series has made the NBA make up most of the entertainment I consume. It had definitely brought me back to the sport I grew up loving.
2016 probably the greatest year of all time in general tbh but definitely for basketball. That was the first finals I ever really paid close attention to. Haven't looked back since.
People don’t understand for some reason everything was peaking at the end of December 2015 with games, music, sport, tv, and jus what was on the news. It was jus about how to get a fidget spinner😂
Great video… that was great insight man. Keep to ip
Great video! Fantastic storytelling. J would love to see deep takes on some other seasons like this
2016 changed the NBA more significantly than any other season since 2010. KD signing with Golden State helped them of course, but they could still be in a similar position to now any number of ways. It just so happens we live in a world where this happens and we can see the current benefits.
2016 period was a dope year 3-1 comeback and arguably the greatest finals of all time, we saw the start of a 3 peat with real madrid and cristiano claiming the title"mr champion leagues".one dance by drake which to me was amazing at the time the summer parties were fire man that year is by far the greatest year of that decade man
Sick use of background music, One Train was really the 2010s Hip Hop Avengers assembling. Great video….2016 NBA season will forever be GOATed
Honestly best nba commentary out there. Swishout always hits
I think another element that you couldve added in, but understandably so didnt, is how that incredible warriors team being 24-0 sparked the championship aspirations for the milwaukee bucks. The bucks had gotten the 7th game in a 7 game east road trip, in which a team has never gone 7-0 in NBA history and the warriors were 6-0. Bucks literally made 24-1 shirts, it was arguably a top 10 most important regular season games in nba history because of that and because Giannis was emerging as a young star in the league back then. The bucks winning that game felt like a surreal playoff experience and honestly, it started a sort of Rivalry the Bucks have with Golden State now. If not for the Warriors greatness, I dont know if the Bucks ever become the team they are today
The 2016 finals was a great soap opera as a Cleveland Cavs fan and clevelander, before and after I can say it was a great time in basketball history.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Excellence displayed in the video as usual, one of the best on the Bball scene on YT
Swishout is a rarity in my notifications, but it’s always worth it!
everything changed after 2016, i miss that cavs team but kyrie really wanted the spotlight
this makes me emotional as hell cuz i remember 2016 was when i was in grade 8 and still had hope in the cavs even down 3-1 as a lebron fan, when they won i didnt know how to act and said lebrons the goat, and now hes still in the discussion as top 2-3 minimum goats ever or even number one
Same man! Was in 8th grade and just came back from vacation when he won the NBA title, greatest month I’ve ever experienced
@@ColeTrainPhenomenalcrew ehh so we same agee.. 02 ftw lolllll ... but yea lebron established himself as the goat that year
this is the most perfect nba video of all time, i completely agree with every point u made
Love the 1Train instrumental u always got good music taste 🔥
2016 NBA season should be a whole movie someday.
Steph’s playoff win % is nuts. Dude just wins when it matters. Okc/ rockets could have won if not for Steph and gsw
and the media was trynna say he isn’t a playoff performer 😂😂😂
@@btw.brandonnn4678 they said finals performer but he proved that wrong against the Celtics.
Smart analysis. Nice job!
Best video you put out in a while homie straight fire
greatest finals ever imo. Absolute masterpiece.
This video is the best video youve ever made. I cant believe i am watching something so mastercrafted and masterfully made. You have outdone yourself and Im honored to watch this video.. im crying writing this comment man i cant believe im experiencing this amazing video right now
There’s no way you finished the video that fast lol
@@valdimirpressat7701 shut up dont doubt me dawg
Really liked the slightly longer video. Love you swish.
I remember watching game 7 with my hockey team during offseason training. We set up a projector in the gym and by the end we were all sitting on the astroturf in awe of what we were witnessing. Great series
THe 2016 finals truly haunts me as a warriors fan. It cemented lebron's legacy, and people would be calling the 2015-2016 warriors the greatest team ever if they'd won it all.
I mean the very next year they had the indisputable greatest team ever so I guess it balances out.
You can get mad at the Dubs harder path to the Finals, the lopsided reffing, LeBron lobbying for Draymond's suspension, and Bogut's (and others) untimely injury... but ultimately, Steph had the final shot to tie the game and missed
@@malasc12 none of that matters. They lost because they weren't good enough. Hence why they added the second best player in the world a year later.
@@sportstalkonly1442 Well, then I guess the 14-15 Cavs and LeBron were simply just not good enough to beat Curry and the Warriors too
@@malasc12 naw cuz kyrie and love were missing. They ran it back next year with a healthy team did they not? The difference is warriors added the second best player in the world after losing
Man I was thinking about all this when GSW closed out Boston. 2016 was insane and luck plays a part in Rings. GSW dynasty started with luck. Russ and KD falling apart and Kyrie leaving Cleveland.
Every point you touched on made perfect sense & I agree w it all!
Beautiful video! Really gave me nostalgia. The NBA of 10-5 years ago was the best!
I think you're absolutely right and I sort of agree with looking back at it think about Steph curry now compared to 2016 he is a lot more stronger now and can absorb a lot more contact without getting bumped off his spots. LeBron James is a much better consistent jumper shooter now compared to the beginning of his career when teams dared him to shoot and now six years later both Steph curry and LeBron James both are deadlock at four rings Is insane to me now seeing it to this day.🏀💯🤔
Hope they have to go through each other for ring five. It would be dope Asf
That joke was true though.
For KD's playing style to shine the perfect team would be like want tatum has now.
Unfortunately he never got that.
One thing at least in my mind is that the more the warriors show that they are a dominant force, the more great LeBron’s victory over them in 2016 makes him look
Exactly. In a weird way Steph Curry and LeBron James's legacy depends on each other
This is so great. Good stuff man
Dope video! Lots of changes since the 2016 NBA Finals.
2016 was a crazy year 😯😅😂, and he was high key right on that last statement
Real ones know that Kevin love didn’t do shit in that nba finals. Bron haters love Bringing up how Lebron had Kevin love but dude was a non factor
Other than that lock down play in the game 7 I dont remember Kevin love doing anything lol🤣🤣
FACTS❗️
You wanna add context to WHY Kevin Love was bad in the finals that year or nah?
Great work Fam! Very well done.
Great analysis. Completely agree!
I think to me Kyrie Irving and especially Russell Westbrook got the most to prove going forward and I really think over the next couple of season they need to both not let there egos get in the way and being committed with the role that they are playing in for that team.😁🏀🏀
Kyrie has nothing to prove. Everyone knows when his head's in the game, he's arguably the best PG in the league. His issues outside of basketball has nothing to do with his actual on-court abilities...
@@dawb86 your right but does off the court though.
I wish We Can Go Back to the NBA in 2016 it Arguably had the Greatest NBA Final In NBA History,the best Regular season record in NBA history the 73-9
warriors and it also had the Best Dunk Contest in History and Two NBA Icons Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan play their Final Season in the NBA and the 1st Unanimous MVP Steph Curry and The First Blow 3-1 Lead in the NBA Finals History all this In One Season. 2016 is Definitely the Greatest Season In NBA history 🙌
*unanimous MVP
@@user-zl1yn6ys1c thanks Imma Have to Edit that😅
And don't forget the Warriors breaking the record of Jordan's bulls with (73-9) record.
And it had one of the most memorable All-star Dunk contests to date.
damn my teenage ass took it for granted at the time.
FINALLY SOMEBODY IS FR MAKING A VIDEO ABOUT THIS AFTER I SAW THAT CLIP OF SHUMPERT TALKING BOUT THE BACK AND FORTH FINALS ERA I HAVE BEEN ITCHING FOR A VIDEO ABOUT THIS
Great analysis. 👍
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Game 5 kyrie made me realize how much of a dog he truly is specifically with that shot at 5:50
And saving Bron legacy in game 7
@@look-at-curry-man2206 Yeah it's not like bron lead both teams in points, rebounds, assist, blocks, and steals the whole series. Kyrie's one shot "sAvEd" his legacy lol you skip bayless wannabes are so corny
@@impacc4182 You LeShannon guppies are so delusional 🤫🤫🤫
Lebron James and Stephen Curry are 2 best players of this generation.
Prime DWade>Curry on both ends.
@@benjaminan1183 Stop the cap
@@benjaminan1183 curry is miles better the offensive player and facilitator.
@@tarunganesg9700 That last take is awful, Curry gets contained by doubles easier due to his lack of size, he has more trouble seeing over these and is more prone to bad passes because of it, the play by play data on BBallRef back this up as well. His skillset also translates less in the playoffs due to the variance that comes with his playstyle (he doesn't draw fouls well and he has to rely on hitting jumpers), DWade is easily better in the playoffs as a scorer and closer than Curry. DWade was closer to LeBron than Curry is to him.
@@benjaminan1183 when ppl like u say this stupid shit, it makes the player u said was better actually look worse. Dwade in 06-09 was great. Very great in fact. He was such a joy to watch and was great on both ends of the floor. But NO PLAYER has ever done what steph did in 2015. 50% fgp, 45% 3ptp, 90% ftp. Mf is the only unanimous mvp. Dwade didnt even win mvp. Once again, i respect dwade and hes one of my fav players of the 2000s, but he is not steph goddamn curry
Totally agree with this video. Great take
Yo great video. This shut got me thinking
If Steph won in 2016, people would’ve shot him into Top 10 status instantly after that MVP season. Truly believe that. Bron went from barely being in people’s Top 10’s to being in a lot of people’s GOAT debate.
For those people who barely had Bron in their top 10s back then, he still wouldn't be because they will always remain haters.
Steph would’ve been in goat talks if he won in 2016, but bron and Kyrie just went God mode
@@daanishgupta I think it would be valid back then. Bron only had 2 rings at that point and 2 losses. Also wasn’t super high on the all-time stats lists, so there was an argument he wasn’t Top 10 yet back then. Definitely top 10 now Ofcourse, but I’ve actually always thought it was a little bit of a rush for people to have shot him right into the Goat debate after that 2016 ring.
I doubt it. Curry was playing horrible in the finals. If the GSW had won, Draymond would have probably won the Finals MVP, which would have been another smudge on Curry's legacy
@@chiknosis And honestly if people put him in the Goat convo after that, it would’ve been premature imo. He definitely would have an argument for at least the bottom half of Top 10 though.
i hope you don’t be working yourself bro you really one basketball analysis person that really knows what your talking about ,and does a lot of research. like i hate math a lot and all the numbers, players, games, history you have to research be a lot just for 1 video alone. i hope people see how hard you actually work 💯
For real makes the best basketball content on the app don’t watch much youtube but ill always end up making time for these videos
Another fantastic video, Swishout!!
KD going to the Warriors really ruined what could’ve gone down as our generations version of Lakers/Celtics with the Cavs & Warriors I still can’t fathom the fact KD really went to a 73-9 team that had just won the championship the year prior & he had them down 3-1 in the Western conference finals…..
&& yet he still wonders why people be on his neck about that decision for at least 2 full seasons it was no intrigue at the start of the 2017 season everybody knew who was winning the championship like it wasn’t even debatable smh two literal cake walk championships that he wants the world to hold in this high regard…….. nah bruh
KD to the Warriors was the best thing that happened in 2016 (unless you're a hater). Lebron was stacking the deck in the East for easy finals trips and people who were actually watching basketball for the ENTIRE 2010s remembered that. Im seeing so many comments state that this is the season they started watching basketball. It honestly has shown for the past 6 years.
@@smoothsavage2870 having Kyrie & Kevin Love is stacking the deck? Lol y’all just be talkin man
@@rambooo2534 Yup. Kyrie was averaging 21 ppg before Lebron got back to the Cavs. Kevin Love was averaging 26 ppg and 12 rpg. Both were all stars before Lebron teamed up with them. That's called stacking the deck just in case you didnt know. Thank goodness KD put a wrench in that foolishness. The East stood no chance, but at least when Lebron reached the finals he would have to work for it.
@@smoothsavage2870 Nah it's a different story for a superstar to join a team that beat you though!
@@smoothsavage2870 the reason they started watching was because of the 2016 finals don’t get it twisted
This just hurts every time. 73-9 😭
Yeah but it that 3-1 part is the kicker too.
If gsw would’ve lost with Steph being 100% healthy. And draymond and bogut not missing final games that year I wouldn’t be annoyed by them losing but the fact that occurred and people really say they’d never beat the cavs again is just so stupid. I would love to see the 2016/17 warriors vs cavs without kd
@@AG30 it's just pain. On par with the patriots 17-0 year.
@@AG30 obviously the members of the team didn’t feel the same way cuz they flew out to convince kd to sign the next year. And no team in the finals is 100% everyone banged up
This was a good and well formatted video
Great vid bro 😤
It really was the turning point that changed everything. It was also probably the most impressive title ever won
Nah not even close. As a neutral with all the shenanigans that happened.
@@Kokozaftran LeBron and Kyrie each had 41 in the game when Draymond was suspended, they weren't losing. That was a LeBron legacy game, he doesn't lose those
Tbh the 2016 championship was bad for LeBron in hindsight I think if KD never join the Warriors LeBron would unquestionably be the Goat and may have even 3 peated with the Cavs if Kyire stays in line in 2018 or didn’t get hurt in 2015 and it’s likely by now LBJ would have at least 5/6 rings with a positive finals win % there really wouldn’t be an argument against him as the goat
Only problem I see with this theory is kyrie loyalty and accepting his role but if he did they would most likely three peat because they came close in 2015 without two of their improtant teammates and 2016 obviously winning so yea I agree you but there would always be a question mark for kyrie
There's no argument now, KING James is the GOAT
great video! I agree with your points!
Excellent video Very intelligently assessed.
Cavs got screwed in 2015 and made things right in 2016. Anybody who says the Cavs wouldn't have won in 2016 without Draymond getting suspended has to admit that by that same logic the Cavs would have won in 2015 if they had their second and third best players. They took the Warriors to 6 games with Delly as the second best player.
Thank you bro I tell people this all the time bron pose to have 1 more ring
I think even without the injuries. The Warriors/Cavs would’ve still split 2015 and 2016. Whether it’s the same outcome or they flip the years they each would’ve gotten a ring.
@@Dr.J42 I don’t see golden state winning either series if both are healthy
@@longlivetheblackmamba2-8-24 In 2016 the Cavs were healthy and it took 7 games. Can’t say it was a stretch to say they could’ve lost it or if the Warriors had more in the tank(they did push themselves by winning 73 games.)
@@Dr.J42 klove misse game 3 and had a concussion games 2&4 but nobody was using that as a excuse why they were losing and rightfully so. So I don’t wanna hear it for the warriors who had less significant “injuries”
What’s funny is that Golden State really haven’t proven themselves till this year……bc I think we all know the Cavs would’ve beaten the Warriors with at least one more Competent role player in 2017 and give him Kyrie in 2018 he prolly would’ve won too
Warriors win 2016 and 2019 without injuries and cavs win 2015 and probs 2017
Warriors win in 2019 if Danny Green doesn't injure Klay
@swishout - great video and script. Well thought out position. This is a great channel.
Great perspective, brother! I am subscribing to you now!