If you want to +a refine its simple relogin than do hematite + anti until fail 5 time then change to Damascus ore + anti until fail 5 time then change to mirthil ore + anti i think it will success if still fail 5 time change world do the same thing again. If u want to refine +s don't do it like +a just spam hematite + anti and change world if fail 15 times
@@mr.f9858 I Haven't tried the 15 times hematite on +A instead I tried x5 hematite, Damascus ore, mithril ore for +S the x5 mitril ore fail but I haven't change world still at int1 sofya I was gonna do hematite x15 I forgot and do mithril ore x15 it work at 7th attempt Thank my boi
Another thing to do is just use damascus ore (from mino) for 0 to 7. Then mythril ore until E and orichalcum til B. Easy refine B actually. I think A and S are for advanced players.
@@Solbashio Haha that's the plan for now. But I still need to lvl up my luk farmer cuz I just recently made it, currently not enough stat points to go full luk
It's really bothering me how I, for several times refined with mithril ore at +3 only to fail due to lag. So it has a 100% success rate all along? My phone is shitty.
Side quest, trade mini skins. If you TH-cam mini skin farming they should say how to sell them for max profit"anti degradation" hope this helps.... Ps side quest is next to board in sofya city talk to npc
Dragoon if you have other ways of getting mp as the resistance is awesome. Sakura 4 is decent hw'd more like players first tank armor. Seele is slightly better in hp mp.
Hi! Im a newbie blacksmith so i dont know much about smithing.. um when refining chara made weapons and armor which should come first? Do i put stat first then refine or refine first then fillstat and also do i need a max lvl my bs for better chance on refining? Is bs luk with 255 luk lv 135 still good at refining or is it risky? 😣😣
Is it better to get a ns and refine to +S and buy piercer later? I'm already dead inside from refining a 1s to +E. Besides, 2s equips are hella expensive. But then again, i'm not really sure which method is cheaper since i've never bought a piercer before.
sensei, at 4:07 you said that the degradation prevention would be 95% if using full luk char, so does that mean 255Luk is equal to 20% prevention? and if we use super anti-deg, does our degrade prevention will always be 100%?
I feel like the luckiest person alive I did +B to +A on my first try and took me less than 10 tries to get to +S after that and my equipment even had a slot
Also, from A-S, if we use full luk and use hyper refining powder (+15% success rate), does it work? but yeah, it can degrade easier but x16 more sucess rate is still quite good
I found out refining no slot the weapon only drops by 1, like from B to C for example But 1 slot can drop by 1 or 2 and that's the only difference. So if u find a good weapon with 1 slot get it, cheaper than buying a piercer
Idk if this consider as a question.T^T Should i lvling like usual (complete mq & sq) then reset skill tree for bs skill or just carry on the stat and skill tree. I clueless and i hope i get the bs chara T^T. Totally noob or even worseT^T
Sometimes it's just below million.. sometimes its above 5 million... Then you get very pissed and ended up using 10 million but still haven't made it to +s
How "weak" is it? I usually don't see people using smite to start charging, just when releasing Here are a few things I know it could be: •Proration •Maybe you keep grazing/enemy keeps guarding •Element •You don't have the Annihilator buff, or any stacks of God Hand
@@blakezr0976 i did some experiment too, first I attach save to charge goliath punch, and when I activate it, the damage is far less than when i attach smite
@@Chrisr4 Initiate the charge manually, without combo Then to release, use the smite combo tag Use Slide as the opener for more utility, or Kairiki Ranshin for more dmg and short ampr buff
Can someone give me a list of refining costs from + D to + S? For example if I have refined my 2H to + C, what price should I add to get a profit? I want to do this method to get Spina, but I don't know the price, and I'm afraid to lose too
@@gelatoys8662 yes, refining eats away your money like a vacuum cleaner eating away dust. If u r extremely unlucky, you might even waste more than 10m to get +S
the most satisfying sound in toram is when u get ur S refine successfully
I never feel that
@@Hapz137 i can feel you
but if is breaking sound. a pain in the ass of refiner.
I did twice the entire my life playin toram.
It's only satisfying because you failed so many times before.
I did a +1 refine :D
Congrats bro 😂
Congrats ma friends 😂😂
da best quote of the day by stone mobile yt 😂
Omegad. U have my support :D
I'm go for a 2
The changing maps trick just helps reduce stress during refining.
Why is that?
@@ponzu638 maybe they believe its gonna help
lmao
@@shinramune8041 just like ppl belive in God
@@datsrough6217 Probably
Best record for this year, used 7 stack of anti degra in less than 24 hours... The results still at +B :p
So sad, xD
No that's alot of damage ≧∇≦
If you want to +a refine its simple relogin than do hematite + anti until fail 5 time then change to Damascus ore + anti until fail 5 time then change to mirthil ore + anti i think it will success if still fail 5 time change world do the same thing again. If u want to refine +s don't do it like +a just spam hematite + anti and change world if fail 15 times
@@mr.f9858 I Haven't tried the 15 times hematite on +A instead I tried
x5 hematite, Damascus ore, mithril ore for +S the x5 mitril ore fail but I haven't change world still at int1 sofya I was gonna do hematite x15 I forgot and do mithril ore x15 it work at 7th attempt
Thank my boi
its a sad story
Guess I’m the only player that has the type of luck where refinements go from A to 7
R.I.P
The Odore since that happened I refuse to refine stuff I just buy pre refined gear or get a trusted guild member
best day eva :v
You're not alone xD
A to 5 here :
What are the refinement values for each level of refinement?(How many attack It increases per lvl)
Thanks for explaining what is refining and how to refine. 👍
Another thing to do is just use damascus ore (from mino) for 0 to 7. Then mythril ore until E and orichalcum til B. Easy refine B actually. I think A and S are for advanced players.
thanks to much odore sensei! i did my first +B, now im leveling the mage luk to do to S
i have a question a wanna build a black smith so what should i go for tec 255 or luck 255 and i can only go for one i don't think i can go for both
255 tec blacksmith does everything except B-S refining
every time i try to do refine with full luk and anti degrade, it degrades after just a couple attempts. very frustrating
Yeah same
Same damb bastards have some weird type of luck
I cant even see my fucking weapon cuz it degrades
do i need blacksmith profiency lvl 150+ to make an effective refiner?
Me: Procrastinates making a 255 LUK refiner
Also me: I need a LUK refiner
*cries in +B equipments*
Just use your luk farmer and add refine skill..
@@Solbashio Haha that's the plan for now. But I still need to lvl up my luk farmer cuz I just recently made it, currently not enough stat points to go full luk
Me playing for Toram 2 years ."WHAT ! ITEM CAN REFINE?!!!!!!!"
Nice joke ...
Same ^^;
Same wkwk
i have been playing for three years and i literally just knew a few weeks ago XD
U deserve a "BRUH!" moment there😂
Usually it takes how many Andeg to reach +S??
It's really bothering me how I, for several times refined with mithril ore at +3 only to fail due to lag. So it has a 100% success rate all along? My phone is shitty.
Thanks for the info! But one question. Where I could get the anti degredation potion.
Side quest, trade mini skins. If you TH-cam mini skin farming they should say how to sell them for max profit"anti degradation" hope this helps.... Ps side quest is next to board in sofya city talk to npc
Is the bs prof metter when u do refine??
Are u have recommendation how much ore/andeg for refine +A & +S?
Coz i already able to refine +B but never try refine +A and +S
Consider your budget around 5M for total cost. Depends on luck.
I remember my frist S refine...so much money gone...but worth it
Idk if im wasting more if i refine with mithril ore (no andeg) to C but it seems less expensive if you have time to spare lol
If you refine in a blacksmith can you have higher rate
Can you still build a refiner 0-S using full luk?
Is the new sakura garb good for tank or should I still use dragoonmail?!
Dragoon if you have other ways of getting mp as the resistance is awesome. Sakura 4 is decent hw'd more like players first tank armor. Seele is slightly better in hp mp.
Hi! Im a newbie blacksmith so i dont know much about smithing.. um when refining chara made weapons and armor which should come first? Do i put stat first then refine or refine first then fillstat and also do i need a max lvl my bs for better chance on refining? Is bs luk with 255 luk lv 135 still good at refining or is it risky? 😣😣
You can fill then refine later or do the opposite, check the video
beside ore and tec is there anything that affect refine?
spina 😅
Very honest info. There's no trick to refining. Just refine as usual keeping the cost in mind.
And peace don't forget about it .. Keep calm and continue refining
Will the refine be removed if you change the appearance? Example: +B refine and the apperance you want is 0.
Appearance has nothing to do with the equipment's status
Hhhmmmm for example a mob that drops orchalcum appear, would the price refining services drop? By how much?
not much...since there are mobs that drop orich..the drop rate is near impossible tho...Seele Zauga NM is a good way to farm orich i suppose
@@moekabuan7202 I tried farming oric from the mobs in Brahe Lab. Took me an hour to get just 1 ori ore
And I have +B equips (add and sword) that I only bought for not more than 500k. With xtal. RIP ores, why those for so low if it's this hard?
Can you try refine 2s item to +S ?
Do u lose the item that ur refining if it fails?
Cz im tryna refine my 5th anniversary vii and im afraid of loosing it
of kors not, there is no wAY your item will gone, but please dont use magic hammer, its scam
Does BS proficiency affect refinement success or not?
how much spinas usually does it take to refine 0-S on your own?
4m
You have equipment for katana or have a katana?
Is Lvl205 TEC and LUK recommended for refining?
You need one luk and one tec for refining to s
Is it better to get a ns and refine to +S and buy piercer later? I'm already dead inside from refining a 1s to +E. Besides, 2s equips are hella expensive. But then again, i'm not really sure which method is cheaper since i've never bought a piercer before.
It saves much more time. Get to s refine, farm bosses with your new op weapon sell xtals and mats, buy piercers is way My guildies always do it.
@@blindedjourneyman alright, thanks!
What is the difference between b equip to s equip. I bought a 5m bow not knowing 1m more will have given me s grade and a higher base atk
U already answer ur question lol
@@ayanokojikiyotaka331 bruh so late. Thx anyway
sensei, at 4:07 you said that the degradation prevention would be 95% if using full luk char, so does that mean 255Luk is equal to 20% prevention? and if we use super anti-deg, does our degrade prevention will always be 100%?
Yep, but refining with super anti-deg is very non profitable.
Nope, he meant that 75% + 20% = 95% prevent degrade
I'm confused, which should I get then? Luk or Tec?
Tech from +0 to +B
Luk from +B to +S
By refining what changes happens in weapon
The weapon attack will increase:
+1 : +2%
+2 : +6%
+3 : +12%
+4 : +20%
+5 : +30%
+6 : +42%
+7 : +56%
+8 : +72%
+9 : +90%
+E : +110%
+D : 132%
+C : 156%
+B : 182%
+A : 210%
+S : 240%
Which one is harder to refine npc made or player made or the same?
npc requires spina to refine but the success rate is just the same with players.
I feel like the luckiest person alive I did +B to +A on my first try and took me less than 10 tries to get to +S after that and my equipment even had a slot
Sometimes you can easily have +s. Like one try.. but sometimes...
It's very ugly when your +A becomes +9
Yeah then you have spent 20m on a pcr then it just goes back to +9 from +A
@@vensilgalang964 cursed gear.. RNGesus didn't bless us
@@vensilgalang964 cursed gear.. RNGesus didn't bless us
Does blacksmith proficiency affects fill statting?
just the material cost
Can you explain why refine skill has no effect for B-S?
I dont really know, Old Player still use all refine skill 10
bcuz no matter whut us do B-S is already 1% no matter whut ore you use
Asobimo way to shit on everyone~
Same in Iruna u cant have Max refine without dropping a tear of blood and rage
Hi Odore , i want to ask u something. So If we using antideg, The deg is about 95-99% . So? How about super andeg?
better but not 100%
@@TheOdore9 but why?
How many andeg u spend for it
How much to sell indigo jet sword no stat +S refine?
2.5m minimum
And then i realized i cant even afford a single HP Orichalcum
because of that high price 25k/pcs XD
@@richzx it's about 200k a piece lmao
@@hagelschwaden840 wtf XD
Buy it from npc
@@rad_it4023there is no hp ori at npc shop
Is the slot weapon effect the refinement?
If failed, it will degrade more miserably.
NS degrades by 1
1s degrades by 1-2
You can imagine how tough it is for 2s
I refine it +D already but... when tryin to +C refine fail and my weapon gone... T-T
1 question, does level matter when refine it?
No
Just failed miserably following those refine trick thing few hours ago, then this showed up on my notification
Prof bs and Dex Stat affect refine?
Dex for alchemy and fill stat
Have no effect on refine
I just start playing for last 4 day and I don't even know what u doing,but it's look quite frustrating 😅
Best video on refining so far.
Can you elaborate the difference between TEC refiner and LUK refiner? Thanks.
Tech is purely for better refine success
Luk is for refine security, less degrade chance.
(s refine is always rng hell)
Cold cut thats all it means.
Oh I see thank you very much 😊😊😊
How much did u spend ? I only have 800k
We don't need proficiency in refining right?
Can I ask? Is refining to +S,is it 100% percent succes or it can fail? I dont wanna waste my spina
You have to have 2m atleast to cover up the degrades
For example if I was a buyer and my friend sells refine +S how much would it cost? Depends on the item? Or its still the same?
Do having a high proficiency in blacksmith affects your refining?
Nope
I can't refine to +A :( I use Mithril Ore and Anti Deg
Can I use my luk mage to do the B - S?
Also, from A-S, if we use full luk and use hyper refining powder (+15% success rate), does it work? but yeah, it can degrade easier but x16 more sucess rate is still quite good
As long as your luk mage got 255 luk, that 15% success rate increase would just be 0.15%(1.15% total)
@@TheOdore9 ouh I see 😂 thankyou sir
What do you think is more profitable for a mid range player? Refining a ns then piercing or buying 1s then refining?
Commenting here so I get notif when someone replies 👌
Depends on how much you're buying that piercer
Following this thread. I wanna know too.
I found out refining no slot the weapon only drops by 1, like from B to C for example
But 1 slot can drop by 1 or 2 and that's the only difference.
So if u find a good weapon with 1 slot get it, cheaper than buying a piercer
total cost vs total charge price?
So informative thankyouu very much! ^o^
How much is the normal price for 0-B and B-S ns/2s
500k for 0-B and 3m B-S (Numbers can change)
@@TheOdore9 thanks!
How many spina for refine 0-S on this video?
About 2m
Best reffinement tips ever
I've been seen other video and at the video it say " Use this trick so u can got + s easily"
Huh that bullshit
Idk if this consider as a question.T^T
Should i lvling like usual (complete mq & sq) then reset skill tree for bs skill or just carry on the stat and skill tree. I clueless and i hope i get the bs chara T^T. Totally noob or even worseT^T
You will get more character slots as you play, though achievements/emblems. You can use those slots to make a seperate bs character .
@@azhidaal noted. thanks 😊😘
the odore pls notice this question. How much spina does it usually cost to refine 0-S? Just the average guess
Above 2m
Sometimes it's just below million.. sometimes its above 5 million... Then you get very pissed and ended up using 10 million but still haven't made it to +s
Does Blacksmith Proficiency Matters?
Great How much for an S refiner service
I'm just gonna stick to +9
SAME 😂👌
Go at least +B the power difference quite much
That “little did i know i forgot to switch” got me dead laughing lmao
Been there, done that.
What is good A+ or S+ idk what good?
S+
Ok ty
I can do A+ easily with tec n hp but never get any S+ afraid of losing my A+ to E+ 😓
sometimes you have to take risks in order to grow in life
@@wallflower7016 that trueeT-T
uhh why does it became +10 not E
I wonder how much spina did he loose on one weapon
Thank you got refine +s more easier ty bro ^O^
faster way at least to B from E is using pom refinement of various sizes with Ori naturally gold and HP Ori for slotted B..
in the end, all u need is bunch of low to high end ores and RNG (Just hoping for RNGsus ) =33
Bro i use knuckle, but why tf my goliath punch is really weak, although I use smite to preactivate it
My chariot is a lot faster and a bit stronger
How "weak" is it?
I usually don't see people using smite to start charging, just when releasing
Here are a few things I know it could be:
•Proration
•Maybe you keep grazing/enemy keeps guarding
•Element
•You don't have the Annihilator buff, or any stacks of God Hand
@@blakezr0976 i did some experiment too, first I attach save to charge goliath punch, and when I activate it, the damage is far less than when i attach smite
I activate both goliath punch directly, but maybe your last point is the cause, I don't have annihilator buff
@@Chrisr4 Initiate the charge manually, without combo
Then to release, use the smite combo tag
Use Slide as the opener for more utility, or Kairiki Ranshin for more dmg and short ampr buff
Now we can refine from 0 to +S just using LUK char, mithril ore, and LV1 refine skill
I refined 0-B with damascus ore, mithril ore, and orichalcum ore and it's very easy o.o
Does arm and acc refine useless for dps?
arm and acc refine only increase resistance, so if you're dps especially gsw user, u can ignore them
@@BunCheeseStudio ikr i didn't get for people who place top hat and fb +s in cb
Yes not really help since dps deff is not that high
People do +s for those only for style u know,, a full +s list is nice to see
Hey, what is the difference between A and S?
29% weapon attack
@@TheOdore9
And from b to S?
@@mr.potato5631 cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/297304193872691200/707737654157901844/20200506_193550.jpg
@@TheOdore9thank you
The calculation for bonus atk reff is
((Reff x reff)% x weap atk) + reff + weap atk
Can someone give me a list of refining costs from + D to + S?
For example if I have refined my 2H to + C, what price should I add to get a profit?
I want to do this method to get Spina, but I don't know the price, and I'm afraid to lose too
Yea i get that alot
Pretty hard from B to A
But only 3 times from A to S... Sometime less than 10 times
How much does the refining usually cost?
Probably 30% lower on what you see on Consignment Board
@@TheOdore9 oh that's too expensive for newbs.
@@gelatoys8662 yes, refining eats away your money like a vacuum cleaner eating away dust. If u r extremely unlucky, you might even waste more than 10m to get +S
@@scarletvan4749 how disappointing, I thought it is the fastest way to earn spina.
@@scarletvan4749 how disappointing, I thought it is the fastest way to earn spina.
Isn't it cheaper to just buy?
Basically pray to RNGesus and every RNGods when you've finally reached B+
how many andegs youve used? xD or anybody else did +s refine?
Does BS lvl affect refine?
Hello?
Nope.
What is actually the true purpose of refining?
Im dumb enough not to know yet despite having played this for 6 months
To increase weapon attack value
@@workinprogress6504 Oh I see thanks for letting me know.
U're awesome..u deserve a loot more subs
im lowbudget so im going to skinned the minos...
same
finally a reliable refine tip
I never did +S in my life , I did +A .....
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It's just end here with my all spina gone 🤐
I cry every time when +S
This is what should very youtuber do . Straight short and easy to understand .. not like the other making stories too many tactics. But doesn't work.