Beautifully done! Mick West reasons so elegantly! I love this kind of this stuff. Please do more things like these, in this world blinkered with belief, rationality is sorely needed.
@@holdenrobbins852 so you have another source for these explanations? Mick performs the experiments and proves his points. What else is needed in your opinion?
@@looktowhere You will never see him debate someone with solid counter-evidence with alternate explanations because his hand-waiving dismissive explanations he gives so confidently (like a con-man) are intended to keep people from not looking into things for themselves. Look into Carl Sagan's Baloney detection tool kit. You'll see Mick scores high.
I'd not recommend doing that on this channel as it will move it into conspiracy theories channel. I view this as a legit science channel. That guy's theories of debunking conflict themselves yet alone prove his reasoning.
@@holdenrobbins852 so I haven't seen this work elsewhere before this, but in this video he does not come across as not wanting people to look into things themselves. In fact on his channel he describes the experiments he does in detail, enabling anyone else to try it out for themselves. That makes it pretty much scientific, in attitude at least if not by qualification. Don't you think?
@Politically Correct, do you not think the element of instant detection and identification is paramount in both defense and offense scenarios? Therfore one may venture to guess that these men are supposed to be trained in the most advanced prices of engineering in order to differentiate a plane from a bird and a bird from a tic tac? Or at least I'd hope so or I'm going to start asking for my federal income tax back!! 😂
@Politically Correct BTW. What an incredibly arrogant assumption coming from a guy who just accused the whole scientific community of ignorance and arrogance!
I stopped watching once they did not bring up the three pilots account. The pilots actual VISUAL account and not the cameras. Horrible analysis. Sorry buddy not subscribing.
Jeffrey Grimm it just blows my mind that today’s scientist may be ignoring one of the most important events in our history. I want to know more than just flippant dismissals. If these trained pilots are so fascinated and freaked out by a bird ( go fast video) then we are in trouble.
As Lex Fridman said: People that are into the Phenomenon should also study the work done by Mick West. There is a big difference between wanting to believe and finding out the truth.
Mick West is an absolute nobody that thinks he knows better than highly trained, skilled pilots who saw these things with their own eyes and their instruments. He thinks his analysis is better than that of the Pentagon and the US Navy? Give me a break.
@@jacknguyen5677 That's because the object in the video did NOT climb or drop 80,000 feet and it was NOT a pelican or passenger airplane. Did you even watch the video?
Mick attacked just one aspect of the case, and its weakest aspect at that; the grainy, fuzzy videos. Mick has to explain how 4 Naval aviators saw the object eyes-on, which he hasn't done. The 5 people flying & working in the EC2 Hawkeye also had eyes on the tic-tac.
@@majorgnu except you skeptics nutjobs will inly accept logic and facts when it suits your angle. You can’t just throw PARALAX at everything and expect to explain the world dude. But hey go ahead and keep thinking that you are smarter than the USA military, not because of your accomplishments but just because Mick told you so…
Hmm.. "I'm a 'Debunk-er" and "Quite Good at analyzing videos of mysterious objects high in the sky" His 'Go Fast' analysis simply doesn't hold up. The object is locked on the FLIR and is showing good ranging data averaging around 4 nm to target. The on board computer is also calculating the speed based on the relative speed of the plane vs the target based on the telemetry fed to the computers by the FLIR pod. This isn't a matter of "oh, the pilot and pod op were duped into believing that they were chasing a stationary balloon 1,100 ft above the ocean! The targeting computers are not fooled that easily. These are complicated systems that MANDATE accurate telemetry for the purposes of acquiring, targeting, and destroying objects at high relative speeds. In fact if you look at 14:17, just before the op zooms in, you can see that the background is relatively slow vs the speed of the target. His biopsy of this video is riddled with incorrect statements and math. Just because you show an irrelevant example of a balloon at close proximity with a telephoto lens 'speeding' just above the ground DOES NOT equate to what is actually being experienced by the pilots. If you actually do the trig he referred to, his math simply doesn't hold up!!! at 14:35 he says its a balloon adrift at 1,100 ft. Impossible! Even with his trig! The plane is at 25,000 ft AGL, and the ranging data shows 4.4 nm to target, that would place the object at approximately 1.9 nm (11,500 ft) BELOW THE PLANE parallel with the ocean. Hence 25,000 ft - 11,500 ft = 13,500 ABOVE THE WATER! This object is almost 3 MILES above the ocean! That is a HUGE difference in what the field of view and camera perspective would show! And the video of a slow moving balloon would NOT resolve that kind of velocity as shown in the video! Look, I am not a conspiracy theorist, and I am NOT declaring an alien ship. Just trying to understand the truth. However this guys' math simply doesn't hold up! He ''waxes quite eloquent,' like do most deniers, but my high school kid can see through his erroneous observations. So Mick West really needs to devote his time to getting up to speed on math and logic!
yup this video was not well executed at all. many details that they could not explain were also left out which is a common tactic for debunkers. no one is sure what these objects are but those pilots were quite adamant that it wasnt run of the mill tech they were observing but rather out of this world type stuff which is where the possibility of it being extraterrestrial was pondered. the tech that these craft displayed if the navy pilots observations were to be taken at face value and in their entirety definitely would be quite a significant event that warrants the question of whether these were alien craft or not
Very interesting information. I did my own superficial check on Mick West's argument and found an immediate hole. He claims the Tic Tac video showed a distance to target of 9999 saying showing he had no lock and the object could be much further 50-100 miles away... ...Except I rechecked the guide to the FLIR read outs given by TTSA in their release of the video (and apparently provided by David Fravor) and there is no 'distance reading' on the readouts. There is a 19990 reading, but this is the altimeter in feet! In fact because the camera changes between 1.0x and 2.0x zoom, it implies the object is just a few miles away. So based on your much detailed analysis of Mick West's own analysis it appears to have more holes than a piece of Gorgonzola!
@@aaronrandolph1267 the Nimitz incident, radar operators say they tracked one of the UFOs as it dropped from the sky at more than 30 times the speed of sound. Black Aces squadron commander David Fravor, the Nimitz-based fighter pilot who was sent to intercept one of the objects, likened its rapid side-to-side movements, later captured on infrared video, to that of a ping-pong ball. Radar operators on the USS Princeton, part of the Nimitz carrier group, tracked the object accelerating from a standing position to traveling 60 miles in a minute-an astounding 3,600 miles an hour. According to manufacturer Boeing, the F/A 18 Super Hornet fighter jet typically currently reaches a maximum speed of Mach 1.6, or about 1,200 miles an hour.
Actually I have checked the FLIR video again and a range of 99.9 does appear a bit later in the video, but looked up the Chad Underwood, pilot, own description of this and he says he initially picked it up on radar and locked on with the FLIR camera... ...and the target was within 20 miles (but beyond the 5-10 miles needed) to see it visually. The pilot 'could' be mistaken...but when Mick West says it could be 40 to 100 miles away he has no evidence for this, it is pure conjecture, and actually contradicts a clear statement from the pilot. My trigonometry is very rusty but I am still scratching my head to work out how in the GOFAST video a plane flying at 252 knots (289 mph) can overfly an object, get a target lock, hold it for 20 seconds and fly along with it, during which time the Hornet has flown at least a mile, the camera during this time only moves 8 degrees in the vertical axis and 10 degrees in the vertical to track it, and yet Mick West calculates the object observed is only flying at 40-100 mph. Surely if the Hornet was flying at 3x to over 6x faster than the object the camera angle would have had to move by more than this small angle to track it, indeed within 20 seconds the Hornet would surely have flown straight passed it not being able to fly alongside it? The Navy did call the video 'GO FAST' for a reason.
@To Release is To Resolve No need to worry about that. We would be about as interesting as ants to aliens who could travel between stars. Aliens is the cover military use to misdirect people who see their classified tech, for people who don't fall for Mick West style dismissive hand waiving anyways.
@@senju2024 oh yeah? Have you been to Syria or Iraq lately? How about Afghanistan? Go spend a week in any of these 3 countries and IF you make it back, explain again how we here in the US are in trouble! You should be thanking our military each night before you're able to sleep peacefully, for being able to do so!
Mic West is as much of an expert in military weapons systems as anyone. His debunking suffers from confirmation bias and he makes too many assumptions. I find it unlikely that a billion-dollar weapons platform and supporting threat analysis system would mistakenly identify a target. I'm not convinced these encounters are alien in nature, but they are highly advanced and pose a significant threat to national security and air traffic.
@@mxtw7910 No video exists that we know of for what Fravor saw. Fravor stated that video from a different source taken later that day was consistent with what he witnessed, but his story has also changed over the years.
@@jonnyroxx7172 He had another seasoned pilot positioned above him who observed the object from another angle. Fravor is not lying. This is textbook denying not debunking. Since when does Credible and in this case immaculately credible testimony not count?
its funny watching people trying to debunk shit but ends up with what amounts to a lose conspiracy theory that doesnt explain at all what actually happened. You know how scientist like to say they are rational, impartial and all that jazz? Well if that was actually the truth a scientist could come out in the public and say "I THINK its possible these things could be aliens" and watch him lose his career and be shunned by the scientific community for literal thought crimes. Some people dont even say they believe in aliens just that its possible it could be alien and they have had their careers ruined. Look at what the scientific community did to Dr. Gil Levin in 1997 after he concluded that life is the best evidence to explain the viking landers positive results and that its imperative we send another probe there immediately to figure it out for 100% and to try and test if its related to earth life, they started shunning him and REFUSE to publish his papers. He has extremely compelling evidence for a microbial biosphere on mars and the scientific community ignores it because NASA ignores it. Its just so happens that the higher ups at NASA directly said to DR. Levin that another ambiguous experiment will hurt the mars manned program and that ALL future direct life detecting experiments will be refused on any NASA lander. Another scientist who worked on the viking landers Dr. Patricia Ann Straat says the exact same thing and she even hinted NASA is being irresponsible by ignoring the results setting up not only get return sample mission but a manned mission and she thinks there is a very real possibility of them bring back something to earth that could be deadly. Sorry I went off on a rant but this shit bothers me and the dumb ass way this dude talks bothers me too, I have never seen someone so pretentious that you could literally hear it by the way they pronounce words. Modern science is about politics and career moves not science, it needs a restart.
@Rich Michael Poticar Spicer ok but a career scientist can be wrong and a career pilot can be wrong right? I think the most interesting take from this is why would aliens just fly around in plain view ? What's the purpose of their visit? We can think up a hundred different reasons but If you can think up a hundred different reasons for a phenomena I would classify what ever reason you go with as speculation. They could have spotted a spaceship from a far far away civilisation or they could have spotted a glitch in the simulation or they could have made a mistake. Who knows, there for I believe that this isn't hard hitting eviden for an alien visitation of earth.
@@dodosicko8347 David Fravor, the pilot that caught one of these videos said that he had no idea what it was, and has never said it was hard evidence for aliens, but said it definitely wasn’t a bird or a plane. I find it hard to believe that Mick West could identify something but multiple navy pilots and the pentagon couldn’t. Seems just as ridiculous as the hardcore alien believers.
David Fravor just shat all over your debunks. In go-fast, the image is black hot. Black = hot. White = Cold. The dot you claim is a bird, is white, you can see how cold it is in comparison to the sea. Meaning it would be so cold it would be dead, thus not possibly a bird. He also comments on the gimbal video, claiming you don't have a clue about how the system works and says you got it all wrong.
@@darklight2.1 cool purple penguins! but from what i see in the pics, the penguins are always warmer than the snowy background. when they are purple the background is black, which indicates colder
I was in the Navy, i was a navigator. I will say this much, the Navy isn't wasting time filming, chasing and tracking birds. There has never been a bird that could out maneuver and evade a military Jet. It would take a Goliath of a bird to show up on radar on a count of them not being made out of metal. You're up in the night, eating pie in the sky in the 100 acre wood if you think for a second that these are just birds. Get a life and stop trying to play people for idiots Sector "A" and sector "Q"!? This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. You don't have to "know where to look" the radars job is to show YOU WHERE TO LOOK. Do these guys even mention the fact that the there's audio of the pilots and crew actively TRACKING the objects!!?? What is this nonsense video!? I'm disappointed in Cool Worlds smh 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
It doesn't seem like you actually _listened_ to anything that was said. Also, nobody cares that you were "in the Navy". It doesn't make you a God, nor does it mean you can't be just as stupid or wrong as any other human being on earth. Humans who were "in the navy" are still humans. They are susceptible to all the good AND bad traits of being human. They are smart; they are stupid; they are honest; they are liars; they give money to homeless shelters; they kidnap children; They are perfectly mentally healthy; They have schizophrenia and hear voices talking to them... They're just people.
@@davecarsley8773 dude chill, the only reason i said i was "in the Navy" wasn't to boast myself. It was simply to indicate that i have been around this stuff a great deal and i know what they track and what they do not track. Now i haven't watched this video in a while so i cant tell you if i missed something or not but i do remember that it sure sounded like he was just trying to dismiss this whole notion of them being anything but large birds, which i would stand by my statement as being just nonsense.
Nick....the Navy didn't realize it was just a plane...lol didn't realize with radar and seeing it come down from 80,000 feet... "it was just a plane" LOL
Perhaps they did. Seems to me it was discarded in the military as something not worth any hassle. Then when it was declassified upon request they just chuckled at the monkeys dancing over what internally was deemed just another misunderstanding or a practical joke.
@@Ffollies What a horrible comparison. Try recording the sky with an infrared camera (which is quite literally what is happening in this case) and see how many objects you can identify. You just limited your search QUITE a bit. You now see only planes, helicopters and other various misc. forms of fuel-powered aviation crafts. You now have a much more narrow field to identify from. So remind me, where does this craft lie in that field?
You do realise that fighter jets did chase these aircraft and got visuals on them, as well as radar data from an entire us aircraft battle group? There is testimony by crew of the battle group crew who witnessed these aircraft going into the water and traveling at over 500 knots under water ( this was recorded on sonar by the battle group submarine). Here is the documentary of what happened that day as documented by carrier group and crew. check of the channel the nimitz encounters. th-cam.com/video/PRgoisHRmUE/w-d-xo.html you may also want to check out dr steven greer's channel who has given briefing to cia and presidents about the alien presence on earth.
Aliens is a misdirection. Its advanced military technology. Presumably US technology. People responsible are on record as feeding the aliens theory to throw people off sightings of classified technogies.
@@holdenrobbins852 you're not informed on the matter. The Nazis had the ufo technology from the 1930s, same as the states. We have man made ufos but they were manafactured from ET craft. I suggest you research the annunaki. Additionally, how do you explain cave paintings that are dated to 40,000 years that have exactly the same pictures of ufos related to what we're seeing today. Were those man made? Leonardo Dr Vinci has ufos in his painting, exactly the same as we're encountering today. How do you explain that. Additionally, what about all the nasa astronauts, academics, top level military officials that have tried to come out but have been silenced?I suggest you start by looking at Dr Steven Greer and Dr John Mack from Harvard uni as a starting point.
Try telling that to the ‘I Want To Believe’ people commenting on this video. Even after it being explained what the actual speed of that zipping UFO was, and the effect of parallax, some bloke a few comments up is STILL going on about impossible speeds against the wind. What is fascinating is the psychology of people.
The "I want to believe people" happened to mention that the first hand accounts were conveniently left out of the "debunking". Which also assumed that the entire US navy cannot tell the difference between a bird a balloon or a jet. And that you can build an F-18 and a carrier task force in your garage. You know... small details. Some people really need to learn to say 'I don't know' instead of this divisive tribal bullshit.
His assessment is ridiculous. He basically ignores every single detail and backstory behind the Nimitz encounter and all of its witnesses. He bases everything on the video clip and none of the context behind the actual event. Like the fact that ship radars were tracking these things for a week before they had planes sent after them. Military radar can track objects to a tee. Not "quadrants".
There will always be these sort of smug naysayers, who deny any possibility other than balloons blowing in the wind or other aircraft. I think it’s comforting to them. The truth is much more uncertain, and has a lot of people in a lot of places scratching their heads.
I'm with him on the Gimble camera rotation, but what about when he states ''There's a fleet of them''... Planes don't fly in fleets, right? - Also, doesn't the 'tick tac' in the 'Go Fast' video appear to dip below the water at one point? The pilot (who later interviewed with Joe Rogan) said that he saw the 'tic-tac' darting around erratically above the sea with bubbling water below it. To add to that, he then informed Joe that these objects were picked up multiple times on radar over the course of DAYS and that it was not a one-off incident. They were eventually scrambled (two planes) to intercept the target, which disappeared from radar to then 'pop' back into existence at their CAP (pre-determined point)... That's one hell of a 6-12 foot balloon... ^_^
We need a lot more logical, reasoned thinkers like Mick West. We've got too many easily manipulated people in this world that are not skeptical and do use critical thinking skills.
You mean a guy who takes videos out of context and presents this like this isball the info there is on the videos? We need more people to pay more attention to the entire story and the details. For instance multiple radars, an entire fleet tracking objects whereafter pilots were scrambled to interxept and them then seeing it with their own eyes and onboard cameras.
Opposite. He completely discounts multiple experienced pilots. He is stuck and stubborn. They also saw these things with their own eyes. It was seen - by multiple fighter jet pilots (in different planes) - picked up by the fighter jet's radar - picked up by the USS Nimitz's radar.
You can't be trained to just know how far away things are. Its not an ability that human being possess. We need equipment to do that with any accuracy and its very easy to fool yourself. Even for elite pilots, they are only human.
The pilot reported that it was close but the ranging sensor could not range it. Either the ranging sensor was broken or it was too far away (>100 miles) to range and the pilot misjudged. Which one do you think is more likely? The pilot has only the parallax of his eyes to judge distance, combined with how big he thinks the object is, and under those circumstances it's not as easy as people think. After all, if you don't know either size or distance it is impossible to accurately gauge both just by looking. People on the ground misjudge distances of flying objects all the times, mostly because if they are expecting something to be close, their brains will assume it's close and everything else derives from that assumption. Next time the moon comes over the horizon, have a look and give me your ballpark estimate as to how far it is.
Forget that, it's 2020 and this is the best we got with all the cameras everywhere? It's just disappointing. If they can filmed, why is there no clear footage from any of these cameras? Just these blurry night vision BS, it will take more than that to convince me its aliens
@Paul Thomas Johnson well in basic training in the army you get taught how to judge distances of objects. I imagine its even more important in a fighter jet that moves around in the air. Aye sure though, must have to be superman to judge distance.
@Paul Thomas Johnson exactly people make mistakes, like Mick West. Several experts on this flir tech have made videos showing why Mick is incorrect. Let's go with the experts who have no reason to misinform the public. But Mick does have a reason to misinform, that's what he does.
Iam not a big UFO guy but theres no way in heck the Navy is not gonna know theres a Passenger jet in there view .no matter how far ..on radar ..ARE YOU SERIOUS ..
My guess is that radar return they got on the FLIR object was what is called a "second time around return" A radar sends out a pulse every so many microseconds then displays the returns. Once the maximum time for the range is exceeded another pulse is sent. Sometimes the radar will pick up a return from a previous pulse but the range will be displayed incorrectly. There is an incident recorded in the Condon report of a radar sighting at Kincheloe AFB in Sept. 1967 in which the target behaved "erratically", that incident went down as unexplained. I was present that night as an Air Traffic Control Radar Maintenance technician at the radar. I am here to tell you that was a second time around return. The investigation interviewed the radar operators, no one wanted to talk to a mere maintenance technician. But I knew a hell of a lot about radar than any idiot operator. A radiosonde launched from Sault Ste. Marie at the time indicated a strong temperature inversion, a perfect recipe for a second time around returns.
I work with ultrasonics, I know not the same, but in principle, I am an expert in that, and yes, there can be many "ghost" or erroneous signals detected if your set up of instrumentation is incorrect...and once you setup parameters are fixed, the erroneous signals go away, and yes, there are many "dumb" operators who only know the basics of operating the instrumentation and know very little about the details of "how it works" and how all the setup parameters work.
How do the “Tic Tac” accounts not match? Underwood and Fravor match exactly. You could imply that Fravor led Underwood into believing he was going to see an anomaly (confirmation bias) but their accounts are consistent. And I would place my trust in veteran F18 pilot.
Although I love your channel and tend to agree that the majority of "ufo" sightings have terrestrial explanations that are far less interesting than many people would like to believe, I think Mick West is doing a great disservice to the significance of the Nimitz encounter, specifically. Mick cannot possibly suggest that two weeks' worth of Aegis radar data, the most advanced radar system in the world at that time, was "just a glitch." Furthermore, I think it is a very weak argument to suggest that all four naval aviators, who are arguably the very best in the world at identifying aircraft, all suffered from situational awareness. Mick is obviously suffering from confirmation bias, otherwise he would realize this particular encounter has no logical explanation. One of the radar operators who witnessed this even has come forward in interviews and said the crew of the ship actually powered down and restarted the entire radar system at one point to check for glitches. And after doing so, the unexplainable radar sightings continued. The radar data from numerous ships in the carrier strike group, the FA-18 data and the aviator's eyewitness accounts cannot be dismissed as a balloon, not without making himself look like a fool.
You said it brother I couldn't believe that this program with put something on like this without somebody canceling him in any way or even at least making him answer some of the tough questions that the aviator pilot said doing that video it just doesn't seem like he knows what he's talking about.
"most advanced radar systems" lmao, just a bunch of authoritarian arguments by you. these fly boys arent exactly geniuses that understand the equipment theyve been given. gimme a break.
@@sudazima Your comment is pure ignorance and you wouldn't last a week in the training they have gone through. You sound like a keyboard warrior stuck in a third-world country. I guess that is why you play video games instead of achieving anything?
What a lazy/silly/arrogant way to comment on something taken out of context. For one, leave the audio in. That would already debunk most of it. In one video the pilots say it is not a balloon because the wind travels the other way and there are multiple on the radar. Which brings you to the next peoblem, this guy fails to tell us the backgroundstory/context. Is it because he doesnt even know? Or is he leaving it out on purpose to gain more credibility.
Really? I'm supposed to ignore trained pilots possibly with hundreds of hours flying but put all of my faith in the guy who made a Tony Hawk video game. Don't think so
Look at the evidence, not the person. You think trained pilots are perfect? apnews.com/04f99258b10eab79f0fed31e7885dc21#:~:text=TUCSON%2C%20Ariz.&text=Amy%20Svoboda%20failed%20to%20realize,to%20die%20in%20a%20crash.
Guys your debunker is just poor. I understand the maths you presented but please explain frames @14:17 - @14:19, it's very short, just play it at 0.25 speed to see it properly. But what I want you to look at is the actual speed of the object against the ocean background. That thing is moving really really really fast. The camera was waiting for the object to reach the frame before it begun tracking it. The object zipped into frame and then the camera started tracking it. Can you explain how your balloon or pelican did that? In fact there was probably a reason why they started tracking it in the first place.
To top this up, if the Jet was moving at 300mph and the balloon at 40mph, wasn't the camera angle supposed to quickly change according to your maths? That non-radical changing angle proves that the jet was moving at the same or lesser speed than the object. Eyeball a person walking on the street from a moving car and feel the angle change in your eyes to get the idea, unless the person is moving faster or at the same speed as the car.
@@emmanuelmahuni8163 of course, its a rather poor demonstration from a self-called debunker and would not pass a scientific expertise. But it sounds cool ;-)
@@emmanuelmahuni8163 I also wondered about the very same thing. You looked at the footage where the cam has targetted some spot on the water and thus seemed to be resting in the air. When now this object comes onto the scene it moves very fast. We would tend to think that what we see must be that object’s speed. Interestingly it is an optical illusion. You can try it out yourself. Focus on something that has a certain distance from you and now move, but keep that one spot focussed. Now have something between you and the focussed spot. While you move you see that object in the middle move into the scene at some good speed. So indeed Mick’s explanation works for both observations. One is: how can the object move so fast into the field of view while the cam focusses on one spot in the water, and secondly why that object is moving fast while *it* is locked.
@@autumnroxielynn2423 You don’t think that it is an optical illusion? Note, I am not saying that it is a balloon. I just say that the explanation about the optical illusion would work. About the object itself I can’t say much - I simply don’t know what it was, I couldn’t identify it. And combined with David Fravor’s observation I just don’t know what it was. However, besides that: if there is an airplane with a camera and the cam looks at a certain spot and keeps it central, and then between the airplane and the water there is a very slowly moving object, then it *would* look like as if the object is flying very fast. So *if* there would have been a balloon that moves very slow, and the airplane cam focusses on one fix spot in the water, then it would seem as if the balloon would move very fast. This is the only thing that I say, and not that I identify the object. But both observations can _easily_ be explained with the optical trick. One observation is that the airplane cam focusses on a fix spot of the water and the incoming object moves very fast. The other is when the object is focussed and it seems to be moving fast. However, I do not say that the object is moving slowly. It could be a pretty fast object indeed. But if it wasn’t then the airplane speed itself would be recorded, and it would look similar as in the clip. So neither is the explanation debunking a balloon nor is it proving one.
So...what your saying is a video game\sci fi writer knows more about military videos, and sensors than the trained pilots? I would hope they are trained to know the difference between different objects in the sky, and the basics of FLIR images.
There are surely hundreds, thousands of cases where these expert trained pilots are not fooled by geometric illusions (and thus never make the news), but what’s more likely - on rare occasions they are fooled, or aliens flew around the atmosphere?
Sorry this just made me laugh imagining a trained pilot circling a balloon yelling "oh my god its chasing me" He must of had one of those dumb days or he was smoking something. Lol
The said there were no emissions coming from the craft no noticeable propulsion. Why would the trained pilots say that if it was heat from a 4th gen fighter plane that they see in simulators and in real training.
I don't know what these people saw, but I am always amazed by how people interpret what they see. Human beings believe what they want to believe, be it ghost, bigfoot , aliens, or Jesus in a taco.
Not sure the pilots know what they observed, in fact they openly admit that. They are some of the best in the world as far as training and experience goes, so if they say they have seen a tick tack object maneuvering the way they describe it’s probably foolish to dismiss them.
@@denononohardcore2 I agree 100%. The pilots that intercepted the tic tac are the most reliable eyewitnesses we've ever had when it comes to UFO/UAP sightings.
do objective research and you’ll find there’s substantially more evidence for ufo’s than for something as silly as Jesus or bigfoot. Different topics altogether but they get thrown in a barrel labeled “FRINGE, DO NOT TOUCH”
We’ll said and very tru, we often see what we want to see, the first thing that comes to mind or things we fear and don’t understand. Probably some form of primal survival instinct which corresponds with our fight or flight instinct
yup those dumb super-hornet pilots, they obviously dont know how to use their systems properly, the princeton captain too..... and Fravor flies past a balloon that disappears, he never turned around to re acuire....... some believe to this very day he is still out there trying to find his way home.
so on the gimble video, the pilot didn't know that it was another fighter jet right in front of it and was never able to identify it?? this pilot never followed another fighter before???
Probably not a fighter jet, likely a passenger jet far outside the range of their radar but close enough for the flir cam to see the plume from their engines. Its basically a point source in the camera and the camera displays that diamond shape when its a point source. It really does make perfect sense without having to make a million assumption about things we have evidence to show should be impossible. Its boring but most of these things turn out that way when looked into. Not sure why everyone finds him to be so condescending. Maybe its the accent idk. Seemed to me like they were being very careful not to insult or make fun of anyone. Unlike most of the comments here from people that would rather believe its something magical. Edit: Thanks for the love Cool Worlds. Although I seriously doubt my thoughts on this push the needle one way or the other for most people. Until we learn about basic human nature we will keep making these dumb mistakes and falling for the same old BS we always have. It's gonna be pretty ironic if it turns out one of our adversaries is collecting high value intelligence on US Naval assets with...... wait for it.......balloons. And conventional drones and we completely miss it because of cattle mutilations, anal probing and cough cough skinwalkerranch cough.... Sorry I can't resist. Its just that I'm not saying it's aliens......because it's not aliens. Nobody needs to reply to me, I think your idiots and you think i'm an idiot. So we're typical Americans, let's just leave it at that. Great video like always Cool Worlds! Thank you! We will inform the Prime One of your contributions to our colonization efforts.👽
So, has anyone wondered where these extra planes came from? Oh and glare! Disregard all of the reports of tracking a number of these objects over a number of days. Next we will ignore the eye witness reports and the speed indicated on the radar and it becomes a balloon drifting at wind speed. So, i get it, you just have to throw out all the tech that helps you aquire information about what you have a lock on . Amazing to have the ability to nail down what something is or isn't from behind a desk looking at a video on a laptop. Bottom line: Mick's analysis only goes as far as his belief system or concept of reality. In other words: Can't be this or that because i don't believe in "this or that."
@@allineedis1mike81 not really, hwo does a passenger jet manage to outwit a navy strike group and advance radars All these explanations rely on everyone conveniently being retarded at the exact moment and then 16 years later, for no apparent reason, they release the videos
Except claiming to have proof (which is bogus) is much easier than debunking with convincing explanations. There is this proverb. It's easier to dupe you than convincing you that you have been duped.
@@musashi939 UFOs and alien piloted interstellar spacecraft are two different things too, lol. It's usually the hardcore skeptics that are the first people in a given conversation to bring up aliens. Don't straw man somebody's position.
@@spracketskooch I'm sorry I was just being sarcastic. I'm a hardcore skeptic when it comes to UFOs and the videos we have seen so far. Your pointing out the confusion between evidence and proof sounded a bit too much like nitpicking, with no point. I won't be convinced it's a ufo /uap with these potato cameras and all we see on the these videos is a confusion of high speed with the parallax effect. No instruments are visible that show the actual speed. Only people jump to conclusions here. People have no idea. I do neither. But the whole thing taught me a lot about such effects when I started to dig deeper.
Matt Dillahunty, a popular atheist said, some Thiest's have told him, even if he could demonstrably prove there was no creator, they would still believe there was one. After reading this comment section, no wonder we're a stone throw away from nuclear war...ffs
Damn, so navy pilots & radar interpreters have no idea what they’re looking at. Could it be that they couldn’t have accelerated their combat aircraft jets to catch up & observe these objects up close? I mean Goose & Mav would have already snapped an inverted pic by now.
Anyone else notice they never brought up the radar pinging on that one? Or the distance? Supposedly it was another jet, with its engines causing that glare, but it would have had to be close enough the pilots would have been aware of what was there to do that. Not to mention this guys "recreation" in his garage had zero resemblance to the video!
During the "Gimbal" video, the reaction of the pilots is not consistent with Mr. West's explanation. Were they just out of flight school? They were seeing something that was extraordinary to them. Also, at one point, it sounds like one pilot says, "There is a whole fleet of them..."
I am extremely skeptical of UFOs but the fact that a pilot found this strange leads me to believe that something strange happened. I'm not saying it's aliens though.
Yeah but they're not revising all the videos and interviews that were done to these pilots as they were encountering these things on several days and one of them tracked by the radar jumped from their location to the other meeting point, but I guess that's just the speed of a balloon on the wind and it can stop at will. 🤷♂️
Yeah, I think it was 5 other small craft that were in a V formation that turned back against the direction the fighters were flying. Apparently there's radar data that has not been released that verifies this.
@@happyhammer1 , I agree. I'm a pilot with 24,000 hours, and have flown with plenty of military fighter pilots as well. I can guarantee that from their reaction as well as interviews they've had, this object WAS NOT a weather ballon or some misidentifiend distant object. The sky is our office, we KNOW what's normal and what isn't. To suggest that these highly skilled and experience fighter pilots were reacting to a ballon, is like saying they mistook a an 800 pound lion for a house cat that was in your house.
@@lubricatedgoat , yes. As reported by one of the fighter jets the "balloon" was traveling against the wind at 150mph. Obviously NOT a ballon. It's insulting to the professional aviators to suggest that they misidentified this object so grossly.
While these videos are interesting, we need far better supporting evidence to claim extraterrestrial craft. I hope we get it as it would be the greatest discovery humans could make. Imagine irrefutable evidence for intelligent life outside of Earth ! Blurry images don't cut it and we must be a little skeptical about eye witness testimony, however well meant.
This is true, and applicable to every ‘expert’ in every field. Infallibility simply does not exist . But we all look to these experts for answers, based upon their qualifications and the acceptance of their validity within their chosen field . We can then take the information received, and make our decisions based upon that perceived validity.
@@milesy023 Uh, no. This discussion is about three different videos of three different events. I would suggest watching it again, and with an open mind this time, though I suspect that may be impossible for you.
Very disappointing and biased video, Cool Worlds….. You clearly are biased yourself, have a biased guest on whos career is based on trying to falsifying things without any evidence. Unsubscribe.
That's not a debunking. That's just some guy saying this is what I think it could be. He might be right but he proves nothing and why does he think the pilots are a bunch of naive newbs. Again, very possible he's right but his arrogance makes me want him to be wrong.
Joe Rogan did a lengthy interview with David Fravor, one of the pilots, which completely eliminates any possibility of an optical illusion or a bird. Transcript here: medium.com/@good_scribe/joe-rogan-experience-1361-cmdr-david-fravor-jeremy-corbell-readable-transcript-badf91c2c406 Mick West kind of paraphrases Fravor's account a little bit. Fravor described a tic-tac like object moving erratically near some sort of patch of white water on the surface, as if near a submerged object of some kind. This tic-tac then rose up and circled around him, according to Fravor. Then he cut across the circle: >"I just kinda drop my nose aggressively and I cut across the circle. And it’s coming this way - because I’m trying to fly to where it’s gonna be because I wanna join on it. I wanna see how close I can get to it. >And as I’m pulling up, it’s kinda starting to cross my nose, and it starts to accelerate. And within about less than a second, as I start to pull nose on to it, and it crosses right in front of me, it just goes poof. And it’s gone. >So, I call the other airplane. I said, “Hey, you guys - you guys see that thing?” And they’re like, “Sir, it’s gone. We don’t see it at all.” > I say, “Hey, let’s turn around. And let’s go back to see what was in the water.” There’s - was there something there? So, we turn around. We’re right there. We haven’t gone anywhere. It’s gone. Water’s perfectly - there’s no white water. It’s just blue. We’re like, okay. I don't read that as it whizzing past him as he flew past it. To me it reads like it flew away crosswise. The only way to "debunk" that is to flat out say that he's making the whole thing up, which is possible I suppose.
Might have been kind of hard to get a hold of the pilots who witnessed these things years ago as they probably have other things to do with their time. Besides, witnesses are often unreliable as any law enforcement personnel would tell you. Video is a much better way to analyze this than talking to one of the pilots.
_"Why talk to a random"_ He didn't. He talked to what the military call a "subject matter expert". In this case, someone with experience in analysing unusual aircraft footage. Expertise he showed in his ability to use the information given by the aircraft/camera instruments to reconstruct the moving 3D relationship between the aircraft, unknown object, and surface. Could you do that?
Legend has it Mick West thinks it was Tony Hawk Flying through the sky doing some flips. It's funny how Mick is speaking like the army isn't capable of distinguishing a airplane, or calculating distance. As if they aren't experienced enough in the fields of their jobs. 😂 I mean we certainly don't know for sure what these things could be. But Mick doesn't have enough credibility for me to immediately debunk everything else.. The military would loose a lot of credibility if they didn't double check before making any claims, so i don't think they didn't carefully looked it through and investigate before releasing footage, or making statements. Listening to the guy with the glasses say it doesn't make sense. He's asking the wrong questions.. We don't know what they could be made of, what they need, what they know about us, what they're here for, if they're ultraterrestrial, if they're probes and the actual extraterrestrials aren't even here yet. What if there's an advanced civilization, they managed to get here, doesn’t mean they're automatically gods and mastered everything in science. We don't even know how they would think or see the world, they could be completely different from what we expected. That's just hypothetically. The way he laughs awkwardly about it makes me think he just want to feed into the "Sober narratives" avoiding the stigma. I mean they're both definitely not dxmb people, but they do sound like fools.
More British troops died because of American Air Force friendly fire than they did from the enemy in the Gulf war. Pilots aren't super heroes with special powers they are human and therefore fallible lie everyone else.
Sometimes they get fooled. Things can be very disorientating up there. I think with all of these videos, the pilots thought what they were looking at was was in a different location than they thought it was which let to them thinking it was doing things that aren't possible.
@@mattwilson2499 ok, what about the ship's radar? This isn't the 1800s....multiple sensors detected these objects. and btw...I don't know if you realize this...military officers are required to have college degrees. Many fighter pilots have degrees in physics or engineering. So these are educated ladies and gentlemen. LCDR Alexandra Dietrich has a BS in civil engineering. Commander David Fravor also was trained in the TOP GUN program. So I question that these people have no idea what they were doing or were confused. Whether this a weird natural phenomenon or some kind of black project or aliens, it's something that needs to be investigated on an ongoing basis. You can't just say "well it's probably not aliens therefore it can't possibly a threat and it's not something to investigate". Even if it's a natural phenomenon, we need to know that!!
@@tomedward8652 and officers in her Majesty's Royal Air Force and Royal Navy have seen UFOs too. In many cases, they are detected on multiple sensors. It's something that we needs an ongoing investigation. I agree it's probably not aliens but it's also not something to dismiss.
@@neutrino78x - I think one of the problems is that for what ever reason, certain people hate logical or plausible explanations. There are plenty of examples that give valid explanations but people will always resort to the name calling when they hear these explanations. And unfortunately it is usually the most mundane explanations that are most likely. I could give examples but I will immediately be shot down with comments like “yes, but the pilot SAID he saw XYZ, and therefore IT must be unexplainable”. All humans are fallible so their testimony can only go so far - like in any court case. So far there isn’t a single case that would stand up in court as evidence of aliens. But I am not denying these pilots didn’t see anything or that some issues are difficult to explain. But as you have said yourself they do require explaining as these are issues of national defence.
No context though. I recall one of these videos was the second flight after David Fravors encounter. After reporting what he saw, the next F18 to launch attempted to film it, successfully so. So context is important. And what Fravor reported certainly wasnt a bird of weather balloon. It was said to outmanouver his aircraft and accelerate away at multi mach speed. Then we have reports by radar operators of objects dropping from 80,000 feet to just above the ocean. Reports of objects seen on the Spy One radar throughout the excercise. Cube shaped objects out accelerating F18's etc.
@@MrCmon113 You should ask yourself why Mick the government shill is always debunking and never verifying or anything else. yeah im gonna believe this paid shill over a top gun instructor . ok
I trust more the official videos from the US Navy and the actual feedback of trained jetfighter pilots, than some guys who mostly stay home and never been out in the world to see such stuff themselves. Thanks.
Yeah! Who cares about pesky things like fact checking and careful analysis when you can just lean on some good old argument from authority! Don't let some guy with a sound and sensible explanation get in the way of your beliefs! After all, you _want_ to believe and damn it if you're not gonna get what you want!
I spent 5 years in a F/A 18 squadron (VFA 204). I know a little bit more than average about this aircraft and the type of guys that fly it. It's with this background I can tell you this guy has no idea what he's talking about. I don't know what those things were. Not even gonna take a guess. But this guy sure as hell don't know.
So you don't have any explanation, but you're totally sure this man's explanations are entirely wrong, even though he's recreating these phenomena in his garage? You're a tool.
@@jonescrusher1 yep. He's using another instance of an argument out of incredulity / ignorance. I can't explain what it is therefore Y (usually God). The numbers show that the thing they're tracking is nothing out of the ordinary. Trigonometry is your friend.
Did anybody here fly an F18 besides Michael? Probably not, yet you armchair skeptics dismiss him out of hand. Why not just call it swamp gas so we can see the quality of your skepticism.
These explanations are really down to earth and make lots of sense. It doesn't explain things without a doubt, but offers a simple, realistic way to interpret these. As Sagan aid, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidences, and those videos & testimony aren't extraordinary evidence enough. The bit on which I do disagree is about their behavior, in case they are aliens visits. If they can travel interstellar distances, they clearly have nothing to fear from us. No more than we have to fear all the animals/insects/plants we routinely study here. Less so even. Maybe they would be able to gather whatever data/observations they want/need just by flying close to stuff. They may not have a need/desire for more direct contact. But they may not care more than we do about being seen by wildlife. They also may not be willing to study us all that specifically - maybe they would be interested about earth as an ecosystem more broadly, of which we are a part but not the sole focus. I guess ultimately, trying to guess motivations of an interstellar traveller is quite a futile undertaking.
Respectfully- Sagan was wrong on this. There is no such thing as an extraordinary claim, and there is no such thing as extraordinary evidence. Claims are claims, and evidence is evidence, and the scientific method can be applied to claims and use evidence to test those claims regardless of how the observer personally feels about said claims. ‘Extraordinary’ is a judgment given by an observer to a claim. Judgments, scientifically speaking, corrupt the experiment. I hope this helps. Sagan was a great dude, and generally a champion of science. But on this point he was wrong.
@@make.and.believe He wasn't actually wrong, you're just pedantic. If I claimed that I ate an apple, that's a rather ordinary claim. It's ordinary because apples exist and people eat them. Even if I can't demonstrate it, it's reasonable for anyone to take me on my word. If I claimed that I ate an apple while riding my pet dragon, that's an extraordinary claim. These two claims are not equivalent, and one clearly requires a higher burden of proof. Burden of proof is something that does exist in science, and some claims require higher burdens of proof. This is not unscientific, in fact it's quite in line with science as we know it. Yes, what may be an extraordinary claim today may not be one tomorrow, but that doesn't really matter. This is a case of you being pedantic instead of actually understanding what he was saying. Me eating an apple is a claim. Me eating an apple while flying on my pet dragon is also a claim. They are not equal.
@@minutemansam1214 to feel something is ‘extraordinary’ is to make a judgement about it, be it a claim or evidence. The argument, respectfully, is not pedantic- it is not about nit picking the wording, it is in fact an argument against bias in scientific experimentation. Bias (ie the excercise of passing judgment) has no place in the scientific method. In fact, the scientific method absolutely forbids it, as it directly corrupts the experiment.
You can't just debunk the video alone because there's a whole scenario that's got eyewitness, radar footage, and millions of dollars of military technology. I cannot believe the audacity to say "its a balloon" then disregard everything that is linked to the event in its entirety. The pilots who saw these things every single time they flew, the radar footage that shows a possible fleet surround the ship, the crew who have said that one event saw the objects shine a light onto the ship and it looked like daytime it was that bright. I respect your opinion but I just don't think "its a balloon" with some recreation of the video alone is debunking anything. If that's all we had, yes, your theory is valid, possible and acceptable. But with the entirety of the event added onto it, not debunked.
What I find most interesting is that out of all of the experts in the Navy, years of experience with operating cameras, radar, heat signatures, etc. someone who has but a minuscule of all of that has figured all of this out. Someone, mind you, who is admittedly biased toward "debunking" something. I'd like to hear analysis from a non-debunker/non-believer or analysis by someone who truly has decades of experience in the air and not someone who took a couple of "flying lessons." After watching this analysis, all I'M left with is: gee, our Navy must be pretty bad to not recognize the heat signatures of other jets. I'm pro-military and it's pretty bad seeing someone sit up here and clown the Navy, like that. ???
This guy has made a career out of shutting down any unorthodox ideas. Chemtrails and so on are easily debunked, but he fails here. Why would the US military have a concealed UFO program if footage like this is so easily debunked? Would the US military really make a conscious effort to hide this footage from people if Mr. West could debunk it from his armchair? Would they really be battling with high-ranking politicians like Harry Reid over a crock of shit? Sorry, Mr. West, but I don't buy your "rational" explanation. As if you know more about this incident than the ACTUAL pilots who were flying at the time, and the dozens of experts who no doubt looked over the footage before it was leaked.
@@mortyjames5897 I hear those concerns, and share(d) many of them myself upon seeing his initial debunking. Admittedly, both Mick and Thunderf00t's explanations are lacking. However they are both disregarding the actual eyewitness accounts, and just going with the footage we have available. Thunderf00t concludes one of the videos is a duck... To play devil's advocate: There was little fight back on releasing the footage. It actually existed online for well over a decade before the NYT gave it any credence. The US made little effort to hide the footage, because presumedly they knew there was nothing here worth hiding. Perhaps they came to a definitive conclusion of what it was. It could even be one of our own craft, and the video intentionally leaked to send a message to China or Russia. This theory also supports characteristics of the encounter. Ie: happened on a training day, the Tic Tac craft knew of their vector point preemptively, and the mirrored "dogfight" behavior patterns it was described as doing.
Why are these videos and pictures of UFOs always always always vague, blurry, too far away? Where is the one incontrovertible, unmistakeable clear video or picture of an alien spacecraft?
they dont exist because aliens havent visited us. people will literally record anything weird they see on their phones and post it on the internet. even a phone from 2015 will have better qualitty than this garbage
Thanks. I love Mr. West's comment that he posted some BLOGs debunking chemtrails, and that he "thought it would all be sorted", then he adds that 12 years later it's still a major conspiracy theory. Yeah, I'm afraid you're not going to be able to get past the mental roadblocks & blind spots most conspiracy buffs put up about their little pet ideas. Interestingly, it's much the same with religions & cults - not to mention various other things. There's an old saying that goes, "Never argue with someone who's convinced they're right." Then there's one of my favorite Robert A. Heinlein quotes: "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Someone asked me on Quora how to convince their friend that the Earth isn't actually flat. My reply? Don't even bother; you can't win that argument because they "know" exactly what they want to know. tavi.
It doesn't help when people are called conspiracy theorists for beliefs that are then proven fact just months later. I don't intend to make this a political debate, but I could list dozens of such "conspiracy theories" recently that have been fact. I'm not arguing this fact because, like you said, when someone is convinced they are infallible, Richard, there is no point telling them they may have it wrong. You can always put your trust in science, you just shouldn't trust all scientists.
@@RoySATX I don't trust individual scientists, so much as I trust the process of science itself. When it works - and it usually does - it systematically eliminates wrong ideas, homing in on ever better ones. tavi.
@@danrose5104 Well, for starters let's go with UFOs shall we? For fifty years people who said they witnessed a UFO where wrongly called conspiracy theorists. Little green men aside, few people can identify every flying object 100% of the time so it stand to reason UFOs exist. I hate to be political, but I didn't start this the Feds did so there's the Hunter Biden Laptop is Russian disinformation conspiracy. No, the laptop is real. The whole Trump/Russia collusion conspiracy. No, the FBI, the media, and Hillary Clinton colluded to invent this hoax. I'm not going to list them all but so much of the information put out about the Corona virus came with the Govt/Media chorus calling anyone who questioned the obviously wrong, stupid, and entirely un-scientific information a conspiracy theorist; Did it come from a lab? Are cloth face masks greater vectors of bacteria than they are effective at preventing viral spread? Was Fauci involved in the funding/creation of the virus? These and more all called conspiracy theories by the media and govt. bureaucrats despite the mountains of evidence and frankly common sense that proves otherwise. The truth is out there, you just have to seek it out for yourself and not believe everything the cabbage says you should believe. Here's the latest conspiracy theory to prove true, was Joe Biden responsible for blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline? Joe told a reporter before the Ukraine war started he would blow it up if Russia attacked Ukraine, but despite that the media and the Biden admin called people conspiracy theorists for asking if he had, in fact, blown up the pipeline. Now, just days ago, the truth comes out that yeah, it was Joe who ordered the destruction of the Nord Stream and the ecological damage it caused, despite the price increases, food shortages, and suffering in Europe. The admin had Navy divers set the explosives prior to the war during military training exercises. Of course, the talking heads and cabbages of the media and govt. aren't talking about this, they as always assume you are too lazy and under their spell to go seek the truth. And for most people they are sadly correct.
While I'm quite sure the sighting was a drone or balloon or something like that, the debunking here makes some claims without enough rigor poured around them. The claim requires highly experience pilots making rather unlikely misunderstandings of the distance and movement of objects, without establishing if pilots, especially at that level of skill, make that kind of mistake. Which I suspect is highly rare. If it was this easy to debunk, especially by the Navy who would have many people on staff knowing how to interpret the images and data points, why haven't they? Frankly, this was probably a classified navy unmanned drone, which both explains it's unlikely maneuvers and the Navy's clear intent to let some UFO hysteria hide a classified operation getting spotted by people on the wrong pay grade, and leaked to the public.
Debunking in this case doesn't require to find the actual truth. It's an illustration that there are a lot of reasonable ways that _could_ explain it without resorting to something extremely unlikely (aliens). Even highly experienced pilots are humans and humans are frequently fooled by their brains. If the brain doesn't know what exactly it is looking at, or it thinks it is looking at something and doesn't question it, anyone is susceptible to seeing something different from what there actually is. Many passenger planes being flown by experienced pilots have crashed because of illusions.
Okay well done on these. Now could you please explain the Rendalsham forest incident 😉.Also your thoughts on these illusions ? shutting down nuclear missiles in the US,and in The Soviet Union almost launching there missiles. 😳
👍 Well Done for asking the question about Rendlesham incident.one of the most important cases of ufo contact. Kapustin yar in Russia...yeah thats had ufo visits too.best comment in this section👏
I would doubt that a trained naval pilot, doing training exercises at sea, does not understand if an object is moving towards him or he is the one going fast against it. Not saying it was aliens, but definitely unconvinced by the “debunking”
I'm thinking that as well, a bit. Though on the other hand, consider all the man-hours spent flying/navigating around the globe. I guess just statistically, some fairly dumb mistakes will be made?
Yea, not to mention these people literally risk losing their careers by saying they saw UFOs. "Debunking" my ass, from an "expert" that made his money off Tony Hawk for the playstation lol
My exact thoughts lol, he also debunks the at the time most advanced radar equipment handled by said professionals. Like by knowing nothing he actually knows more than them..
Sounds like an awful lot of coping... you're children that want the rare earth example to be falsified so badly you would believe delusions over sensible explanations backed up by duplicitous experimentation.
@@reinarforeman6518 so the eye witness reports of the pilots who witnessed the craft fly In between two planes is wrong and you and west are right….stop it or throw out every trail where someone was convicted due to eye witness testimony
What about the end of the Gimbel video that's NOT "debunked" here?? . . The part when the object suddenly makes a very sharp and EXTREMELY fast turn and the object shoots off of the screen to the left. . That was the most compelling and convincing part of all 3 videos and yet they didn't even mention it 🤔🤔🤔 Perhaps because they had absolutely no explanation for this whatsoever - Because I would have made sure to "debunk" that part first before trying to debunk the rest - Simply due to it being the most difficult to explain/debunk.
Mick West has presented reasonable grounded arguments for why there is a terrestrial explanation to this events. If someone wants to disagree that is fine, but you need to present evidence that discounts each sensible explanation. Yet no one has any evidence that discounts this. very simple, show us the video up close of these "UAP"s or show us corresponding telemetry like radar returns tracking the same object across multiple regions, into space, massive heat signatures, corresponding data from multiple agencies, and governments. Its a bit disturbing that this is coming from the same sources and the US Navy, not a good look so far.
I take the words of David Fravor more seriously than anything Mick West would claim Any Day!!! David Fravor was there with the other pilots involved and their recordings,radar all the sophisticated means at their disposal. Mick West wasn't there and can prove nothing that he claimed. Only discrediting those who were involved th-cam.com/video/CBt4CNHyAck/w-d-xo.html
Pilot and eyewitness David Fravor served 24 years in the US military, enlisted marine for 6 years, flew for the navy for 18 years, flew A6's Hornets and Super Hornets, earned every qualification you could get in an airplane. Went through the US Navy Strike Fighter Tactics Instructor program (Top Gun) and at the time of the incident he was the commanding officer of the VFA-41 Black Aces. But sure, he doesn't know a commercial plane, or a weather balloon when he sees one. And he gets confused when circling an object, that it's moving when it's stationary. This is actually embarrassing. Sure, give us your opinion, but to denigrate the pilots in this way, is ridiculous.
I don't think they mean it as a personal attack. Their way of thinking is just that we know it's possible to misidentify something. We don't know aliens exist. Therefore, misidebtification is always infinitely more likely.
Incredible. Some guy with a blog who used to be a game programmer knows more about these mility weapons/ radar/imaging systems than the actual military. I don't understand how people take this guy's ant more seriously than Alex Jones
Well in some cases, its not like the military isnt aware of the truth. Like in the weather balloon/bird case, they obviously knew what it was, they celebrated because they managed to lock on to a small moving target a few km away, it was impressive. They never claimed it was even a ufo, the public did that.
Hast du etwas Zeit für mich? Dann singe ich ein Lied für dich Von neunundneunzig Luftballons Auf ihrem Weg zum Horizont Denkst du vielleicht grad an mich? Dann singe ich ein Lied für dich Von neunundneunzig Luftballons Und dass sowas von sowas kommt Neunundneunzig Luftballons Auf ihrem Weg zum Horizont Hielt man für Ufos aus dem All Darum schickte ein General ′Ne Fliegerstaffel hinterher Alarm zu geben, wenn's so wär′ Dabei war'n dort am Horizont Nur neunundneunzig Luftballons Neunundneunzig Düsenflieger Jeder war ein großer Krieger Hielten sich für Captain Kirk Das gab ein großes Feuerwerk Die Nachbarn haben nichts gerafft Und fühlten sich gleich angemacht Dabei schoss man am Horizont Auf neunundneunzig Luftballons Neunundneunzig Kriegsminister Streichholz und Benzinkanister Hielten sich für schlaue Leute Witterten schon fette Beute Riefen: "Krieg!" und wollten Macht Mann, wer hätte das gedacht Dass es einmal so weit kommt Wegen neunundneunzig Luftballons Wegen neunundneunzig Luftballons Neunundneunzig Luftballons - Nena
These stupid shill debunkers always come up with the most bizarre ilogical explanations. "It was the planet Jupiter", yeah, jet pilots with their poor eyesight confusing a star for a UFO, ha.
I love reading comments to see people attacking Mick instead of criticising his work to disprove his argument. Do that math yourself, prove he's wrong if you're so sure.
A little late to the party on this one, but my take is something a bit different: I am fairly sure "they" know exactly what these videos were. I think it's much more about gaging the public's response to such phenomena on a mass scale. My reasoning is as follows: Had an alien craft landed in southern Spain 6,500 years ago, my ancestors would have thought the beings who stepped out of that craft were gods. Were the same thing occur right now outside of my house near New York City, not one person anywhere near me would think "Oh wow, a god!" They'd immediately wonder what planet they are from. I'm not saying contact has been made before. I'm just stating that at the very least, the powers that be might just think it's an eventuality, and the fact that the overwhelming response was that of wonder and intrigue is hopeful.
wow....you are one of those people who love to expel a lot of words from your mouth but only imply things or gently suggest things....be CLEAR man! don't be afraid to just come out and say that you think :"they" KNOW IT IS ALIENS! AND YOU THINK IT IS ALIENS!......be clear man!!!!
If contact was made or any evidence of alien life was discovered it'd be discovered by one of the hundreds of scientific projects looking for it and so it'd be released to the public the moment the paper was published without any involvement from any government. The funny thing is said projects have actually been making a ton of progress in this area yet it recieves basically no attention from the public because no one is interested in the actual search for life, just in confirming their biases. JWST recently found methane in the atmosphere of an exoplanet, it isn't a sign of life in this case because the exoplanet has an average temperature of 500 C but it shows that it can be done.
Former Boeing... we were embarrassed to investigate these 'sightings'... so many are pilot error when they crank up the gain on their radar and flir... Navy conducts military exercises in International Waters... Russia and China also has jets in the sky watching. Seen too many false images of hot engine exhaust from planes miles ahead.
Yep.....dudes that can land on a pitching, rolling, and heaving carrier in a rainstorm can't tell a 747 is actually further away than they realize...by dozens of miles
All Pentagon personnel and the Air Force must resign because they failed to identify a Boeing and a balloon. All this power is no longer needed, this gentleman alone can do radar work and detect unknown objects، 😁
First Video: Need to get a better understanding of what some of the HUD indicators mean. This could possibily be a paralax illusion if the aircraft is flying at a very high altitude. The high amount of paralax can only be caused if the object being tracked is at a high altitude too. This would make the background seem to move faster relative to the object. Could be a weather baloon. Second Video: Looks like an exauslt ploom from another aircraft flying up ahead. The rotation could be an artifate of how the the object is being tracked. There seems be a large amount of contrast around the silhouette the aircraft. I don't know much about how the image is finally displayed, but my guess would be there is something being done to make the image more clear/sharper. Interesting none the less.
starfox0u0 No it hasn’t. Fravor wasn’t in any of these aircraft. 1 video was from 2004 and the same area Fravor operated, but it wasn’t his aircraft or even airborne at the same time as him. The other 2 vids are from 2015. Please stop getting this wrong. There is no video of the Fravor incident.
I like how elegantly he showed what the numbers on the screen meant, similar videos that have been debunked before and yet people on the comments are thick enough to believe in their own theories with no rhyme or reason.
12:10 that effect is similar, like when you observe a star at night in the sky. do this: walk around and look for a star which looks like close to the top of a tree (or a building) around which is about 20 meters in front of you. (can be 15 or 50 meters as well.) this is very easy. if you have found a position/standing point, where a star is right at the top of the tree, now stand still and observe that star. now start walking slowly to the right or left. the star *seems* to move around quickly, in any direction you want.
Thanks for the discussion y’all. It’s definitely important to consider (and even give weight to) the “boring” explanations. I just wonder: why does the Navy still classify the aircraft in these videos as “unidentified?” To the point about, “Why would aliens come here just for random ocean joyrides?” Well, imagine there are Martians and they’re baffled by all the rovers we’ve sent there. But they’re thinking, “Why would anyone want to come to Mars just to play with some rocks?” =)
@@Tisrok yeah....we're not doing that. Musk is a cool guy doing great things but we're not going to trust civilians with nuclear weapons. And it's illegal under the Outer Space Treaty to have nuclear weapons in space.
"why does the Navy still classify the aircraft in these videos as “unidentified?" Because they don't know exactly what they are. Not because they think they're aliens. Most likely Russian or Chinese drones. --STS3(SS) Brian (served 1999 to 2003 on submarines.)
The Navy probably doesn't care because if "high-up" people have looked at this and conclude its nothing to waste time over; it's nothing to waste time over and for them that includes even engaging in conversation about it.
Unidentified means exactly that. Unidentified. There's a tree outside my house and I'm not sure what species it is, so it's unidentified. It's not a f.king alien lol
Interesting insight into approaching the technical aspects of whats in the videos, however go fast is not a pelican or a ballon. THe pilots involved have a combined thousands of hours of flight time and would have seen anomalies like this before if it were something uneventful and easily explained.
I believe being objective with these situations is important and needs to be considered. However, when doing that please take into account ALL aspects of the event. Not just aspects that support your theory. The USS Princeton's radar system should be analyzed and considered. After all, that is why Captian Fravor was sent to that location. Call me foolish and/or misinformed, but wouldn't the navy's most advanced radar system be able to detect the difference between a balloon or some other type of craft? That's just an example. ALL aspects of this event NEED to be considered. The assumption here is that the United States Navy consist of a bunch of obtuse children who can't tell the difference between balloons, distant jets, and birds. If that's the case... we're in far greater danger from our earthly adversaries than "aliens."
RIGHT?! That's what annoyed the hell out of me about this guy! He's basically saying that these pilots lack any visual/observational interpretive skills. Maybe the Navy should require all their pilots to have a blog page and a TH-cam channel, then they can be almost as equipped as a Cessna pilot?!
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Beautifully done! Mick West reasons so elegantly! I love this kind of this stuff. Please do more things like these, in this world blinkered with belief, rationality is sorely needed.
Mick will mislead you. He plays into people confirmation bias with things that sound rational.
@@holdenrobbins852 so you have another source for these explanations? Mick performs the experiments and proves his points. What else is needed in your opinion?
@@looktowhere You will never see him debate someone with solid counter-evidence with alternate explanations because his hand-waiving dismissive explanations he gives so confidently (like a con-man) are intended to keep people from not looking into things for themselves. Look into Carl Sagan's Baloney detection tool kit. You'll see Mick scores high.
I'd not recommend doing that on this channel as it will move it into conspiracy theories channel. I view this as a legit science channel. That guy's theories of debunking conflict themselves yet alone prove his reasoning.
@@holdenrobbins852 so I haven't seen this work elsewhere before this, but in this video he does not come across as not wanting people to look into things themselves. In fact on his channel he describes the experiments he does in detail, enabling anyone else to try it out for themselves. That makes it pretty much scientific, in attitude at least if not by qualification. Don't you think?
If our military cannot differentiate or identify a balloon, a bird, or plane then I think we have much bigger problems than alien spaceships!! 😂
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@Politically Correct, do you not think the element of instant detection and identification is paramount in both defense and offense scenarios? Therfore one may venture to guess that these men are supposed to be trained in the most advanced prices of engineering in order to differentiate a plane from a bird and a bird from a tic tac? Or at least I'd hope so or I'm going to start asking for my federal income tax back!! 😂
@Politically Correct So, great wise man, do you know what these objects actually are? If so, please enlighten all of us.
@Yesmer Not!
@Politically Correct BTW. What an incredibly arrogant assumption coming from a guy who just accused the whole scientific community of ignorance and arrogance!
I’m very skeptical about the skeptic
I’m skeptical about the skeptical skeptic
@@sicfxmusic i'm skeptical whether you are skeptical about the skeptical skeptic
Jim C was the way I was going on your
It would be odd to not show any skepticism when presented with these videos and accept them, unquestionably, on face value as aliens.
@@CoolWorldsLab no official of the government has. If they did debate would be over.
The pilots said it was a 40 foot tic tac object with no visible form of propulsion.
Mick West “ it’s a bird mate”
I stopped watching once they did not bring up the three pilots account. The pilots actual VISUAL account and not the cameras. Horrible analysis. Sorry buddy not subscribing.
Jeffrey Grimm it just blows my mind that today’s scientist may be ignoring one of the most important events in our history. I want to know more than just flippant dismissals. If these trained pilots are so fascinated and freaked out by a bird ( go fast video) then we are in trouble.
Exactly!!! Thank you. It’s so annoying that you don’t take into eye witness accounts.
Thanks for saving my time, closed the video at 0:27
Jeffrey Grimm they do at 16:10 he still makes no sense. He thinks these pilots aren’t trained to identify a balloon
As Lex Fridman said: People that are into the Phenomenon should also study the work done by Mick West. There is a big difference between wanting to believe and finding out the truth.
Mick West is an absolute nobody that thinks he knows better than highly trained, skilled pilots who saw these things with their own eyes and their instruments. He thinks his analysis is better than that of the Pentagon and the US Navy? Give me a break.
I made a clip dedicated to this one. You'll love it!
Mick West is NOT the truth. In fact you must be a simpleton to even swallow that horse shit.
Micks overall view is wrong though regardless of his work that i Agree with
Lex Friedman is a Russian asset
I for one welcome our new Tic Tac overlords.
Haha this made me laugh!
Hahaha hilarious comment.
I hope it's the orange ones lol
You took that comment form another video loser
@@jonnjonnn8010
It's a old joke that I adapted to this situation.
Also Jonn remember that a spellchecker is your friend.
yup ... the Navy doesn't know a pelican when it see's one
oh, it knows. I'm convinced they're trolling. Also, they declassified that tracking info to show off our tech. It's really that simple
It’s the new one, before it was swamp gas, weather balloons, glitches on camera! Passenger airplane that outran jet fighter!
Yeah humans NEVER make mistakes *heavy sarcasm*
Ffollies pelican or passengers airplane don’t climb or drop 80,000-20,000 feet. The Nimitz group been tracked that objects for few days.
@@jacknguyen5677 That's because the object in the video did NOT climb or drop 80,000 feet and it was NOT a pelican or passenger airplane. Did you even watch the video?
This guy took annoying his older brother to a whole nother level.
I bet he took a pin and popped his brother’s birthday balloons
@@r1thou lol what? XD!
Mick attacked just one aspect of the case, and its weakest aspect at that; the grainy, fuzzy videos. Mick has to explain how 4 Naval aviators saw the object eyes-on, which he hasn't done. The 5 people flying & working in the EC2 Hawkeye also had eyes on the tic-tac.
I respect that
@Rich Michael Poticar Spicer You Gotta get different hobby. You seriously do, hope you figure it out.
One of these people are wrong... A Navy fighter pilot with over 20 years experience...or some guy.
Who cares about facts, logic and (ugh!) _thought,_ when you can just apply some good old appeal to authority!
I want to believe, damn you!
↑YOU↑
@@majorgnu except you skeptics nutjobs will inly accept logic and facts when it suits your angle.
You can’t just throw PARALAX at everything and expect to explain the world dude.
But hey go ahead and keep thinking that you are smarter than the USA military, not because of your accomplishments but just because Mick told you so…
Hmm.. "I'm a 'Debunk-er" and "Quite Good at analyzing videos of mysterious objects high in the sky" His 'Go Fast' analysis simply doesn't hold up. The object is locked on the FLIR and is showing good ranging data averaging around 4 nm to target. The on board computer is also calculating the speed based on the relative speed of the plane vs the target based on the telemetry fed to the computers by the FLIR pod. This isn't a matter of "oh, the pilot and pod op were duped into believing that they were chasing a stationary balloon 1,100 ft above the ocean! The targeting computers are not fooled that easily.
These are complicated systems that MANDATE accurate telemetry for the purposes of acquiring, targeting, and destroying objects at high relative speeds. In fact if you look at 14:17, just before the op zooms in, you can see that the background is relatively slow vs the speed of the target. His biopsy of this video is riddled with incorrect statements and math. Just because you show an irrelevant example of a balloon at close proximity with a telephoto lens 'speeding' just above the ground DOES NOT equate to what is actually being experienced by the pilots.
If you actually do the trig he referred to, his math simply doesn't hold up!!! at 14:35 he says its a balloon adrift at 1,100 ft. Impossible! Even with his trig! The plane is at 25,000 ft AGL, and the ranging data shows 4.4 nm to target, that would place the object at approximately 1.9 nm (11,500 ft) BELOW THE PLANE parallel with the ocean. Hence 25,000 ft - 11,500 ft = 13,500 ABOVE THE WATER! This object is almost 3 MILES above the ocean! That is a HUGE difference in what the field of view and camera perspective would show! And the video of a slow moving balloon would NOT resolve that kind of velocity as shown in the video!
Look, I am not a conspiracy theorist, and I am NOT declaring an alien ship. Just trying to understand the truth. However this guys' math simply doesn't hold up! He ''waxes quite eloquent,' like do most deniers, but my high school kid can see through his erroneous observations. So Mick West really needs to devote his time to getting up to speed on math and logic!
yup this video was not well executed at all. many details that they could not explain were also left out which is a common tactic for debunkers. no one is sure what these objects are but those pilots were quite adamant that it wasnt run of the mill tech they were observing but rather out of this world type stuff which is where the possibility of it being extraterrestrial was pondered. the tech that these craft displayed if the navy pilots observations were to be taken at face value and in their entirety definitely would be quite a significant event that warrants the question of whether these were alien craft or not
*WELL SAID! These guys are two of the weakest debunckers I've seen/hear in a long time! LOL*
Very interesting information. I did my own superficial check on Mick West's argument and found an immediate hole. He claims the Tic Tac video showed a distance to target of 9999 saying showing he had no lock and the object could be much further 50-100 miles away...
...Except I rechecked the guide to the FLIR read outs given by TTSA in their release of the video (and apparently provided by David Fravor) and there is no 'distance reading' on the readouts. There is a 19990 reading, but this is the altimeter in feet! In fact because the camera changes between 1.0x and 2.0x zoom, it implies the object is just a few miles away.
So based on your much detailed analysis of Mick West's own analysis it appears to have more holes than a piece of Gorgonzola!
@@aaronrandolph1267 the Nimitz incident, radar operators say they tracked one of the UFOs as it dropped from the sky at more than 30 times the speed of sound. Black Aces squadron commander David Fravor, the Nimitz-based fighter pilot who was sent to intercept one of the objects, likened its rapid side-to-side movements, later captured on infrared video, to that of a ping-pong ball. Radar operators on the USS Princeton, part of the Nimitz carrier group, tracked the object accelerating from a standing position to traveling 60 miles in a minute-an astounding 3,600 miles an hour. According to manufacturer Boeing, the F/A 18 Super Hornet fighter jet typically currently reaches a maximum speed of Mach 1.6, or about 1,200 miles an hour.
Actually I have checked the FLIR video again and a range of 99.9 does appear a bit later in the video, but looked up the Chad Underwood, pilot, own description of this and he says he initially picked it up on radar and locked on with the FLIR camera...
...and the target was within 20 miles (but beyond the 5-10 miles needed) to see it visually. The pilot 'could' be mistaken...but when Mick West says it could be 40 to 100 miles away he has no evidence for this, it is pure conjecture, and actually contradicts a clear statement from the pilot.
My trigonometry is very rusty but I am still scratching my head to work out how in the GOFAST video a plane flying at 252 knots (289 mph) can overfly an object, get a target lock, hold it for 20 seconds and fly along with it, during which time the Hornet has flown at least a mile, the camera during this time only moves 8 degrees in the vertical axis and 10 degrees in the vertical to track it, and yet Mick West calculates the object observed is only flying at 40-100 mph.
Surely if the Hornet was flying at 3x to over 6x faster than the object the camera angle would have had to move by more than this small angle to track it, indeed within 20 seconds the Hornet would surely have flown straight passed it not being able to fly alongside it? The Navy did call the video 'GO FAST' for a reason.
Plot twist: Mick West is an alien living on Earth actively engaged in discarding such proofs of alien footage so that their cover is not blown.
Who is Mick West?
CatMan 82375 Didn’t you even read the video description? Mick West is the name of the guy being interviewed! 😂
He's a fraud paid to keep people from looking into things for themselves.
CatMan 82375 🤣 your a bot! Go watch the video.
@To Release is To Resolve No need to worry about that. We would be about as interesting as ants to aliens who could travel between stars. Aliens is the cover military use to misdirect people who see their classified tech, for people who don't fall for Mick West style dismissive hand waiving anyways.
If these trained fighter pilots are this easily fooled we are in trouble .
That is WHY we ARE in trouble!!!
Trouble then. US pilots are terrible. Many times theyve killed innocent people from their bad judgement.
@@senju2024 oh yeah? Have you been to Syria or Iraq lately? How about Afghanistan? Go spend a week in any of these 3 countries and IF you make it back, explain again how we here in the US are in trouble! You should be thanking our military each night before you're able to sleep peacefully, for being able to do so!
@@KneeoGeeo ok I'm sure you have a ton of experience flying.
We are in trouble. Its absolutely shocking how much people dont know about what they dont know.
Mic West is as much of an expert in military weapons systems as anyone. His debunking suffers from confirmation bias and he makes too many assumptions. I find it unlikely that a billion-dollar weapons platform and supporting threat analysis system would mistakenly identify a target. I'm not convinced these encounters are alien in nature, but they are highly advanced and pose a significant threat to national security and air traffic.
Didn't multiple navy pilots have eyes on the object. I would love to see Mick west debate commander fravor
Mick West is only analyzing the videos. He can't and hasn't commented on what commander Fravor did or did not see.
This same UFO was seen in the 70s by an helicopter pilot.
@@cargeek8419 yes he is. This is footage of what he saw - so he is clearly implying Fravor is a lier
@@mxtw7910 No video exists that we know of for what Fravor saw. Fravor stated that video from a different source taken later that day was consistent with what he witnessed, but his story has also changed over the years.
@@jonnyroxx7172 He had another seasoned pilot positioned above him who observed the object from another angle.
Fravor is not lying. This is textbook denying not debunking. Since when does Credible and in this case immaculately credible testimony not count?
Career Fighter Pilot: This thing was about 1/4 mile away. I'd never seen anything like this before.
Mick: Looks like a plane 150 miles away
its funny watching people trying to debunk shit but ends up with what amounts to a lose conspiracy theory that doesnt explain at all what actually happened. You know how scientist like to say they are rational, impartial and all that jazz? Well if that was actually the truth a scientist could come out in the public and say "I THINK its possible these things could be aliens" and watch him lose his career and be shunned by the scientific community for literal thought crimes. Some people dont even say they believe in aliens just that its possible it could be alien and they have had their careers ruined. Look at what the scientific community did to Dr. Gil Levin in 1997 after he concluded that life is the best evidence to explain the viking landers positive results and that its imperative we send another probe there immediately to figure it out for 100% and to try and test if its related to earth life, they started shunning him and REFUSE to publish his papers. He has extremely compelling evidence for a microbial biosphere on mars and the scientific community ignores it because NASA ignores it. Its just so happens that the higher ups at NASA directly said to DR. Levin that another ambiguous experiment will hurt the mars manned program and that ALL future direct life detecting experiments will be refused on any NASA lander. Another scientist who worked on the viking landers Dr. Patricia Ann Straat says the exact same thing and she even hinted NASA is being irresponsible by ignoring the results setting up not only get return sample mission but a manned mission and she thinks there is a very real possibility of them bring back something to earth that could be deadly. Sorry I went off on a rant but this shit bothers me and the dumb ass way this dude talks bothers me too, I have never seen someone so pretentious that you could literally hear it by the way they pronounce words. Modern science is about politics and career moves not science, it needs a restart.
@Rich Michael Poticar Spicer ok but a career scientist can be wrong and a career pilot can be wrong right? I think the most interesting take from this is why would aliens just fly around in plain view ? What's the purpose of their visit? We can think up a hundred different reasons but If you can think up a hundred different reasons for a phenomena I would classify what ever reason you go with as speculation. They could have spotted a spaceship from a far far away civilisation or they could have spotted a glitch in the simulation or they could have made a mistake. Who knows, there for I believe that this isn't hard hitting eviden for an alien visitation of earth.
@@dodosicko8347Thank you. It is not hard evidence of alien visitation to Earth.
Right??
@@dodosicko8347 David Fravor, the pilot that caught one of these videos said that he had no idea what it was, and has never said it was hard evidence for aliens, but said it definitely wasn’t a bird or a plane. I find it hard to believe that Mick West could identify something but multiple navy pilots and the pentagon couldn’t. Seems just as ridiculous as the hardcore alien believers.
Are you suggesting I wasted 8 hours of my life making signs to welcome our alien overlords? 🙄
Yes.
David Fravor just shat all over your debunks. In go-fast, the image is black hot. Black = hot. White = Cold. The dot you claim is a bird, is white, you can see how cold it is in comparison to the sea. Meaning it would be so cold it would be dead, thus not possibly a bird. He also comments on the gimbal video, claiming you don't have a clue about how the system works and says you got it all wrong.
@@darklight2.1 cool purple penguins! but from what i see in the pics, the penguins are always warmer than the snowy background.
when they are purple the background is black, which indicates colder
I was in the Navy, i was a navigator. I will say this much, the Navy isn't wasting time filming, chasing and tracking birds. There has never been a bird that could out maneuver and evade a military Jet. It would take a Goliath of a bird to show up on radar on a count of them not being made out of metal. You're up in the night, eating pie in the sky in the 100 acre wood if you think for a second that these are just birds. Get a life and stop trying to play people for idiots
Sector "A" and sector "Q"!? This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. You don't have to "know where to look" the radars job is to show YOU WHERE TO LOOK. Do these guys even mention the fact that the there's audio of the pilots and crew actively TRACKING the objects!!?? What is this nonsense video!? I'm disappointed in Cool Worlds smh 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Same no mention of the radar operators opinion. Just a guy that flew a Cessna a few times
I’m disappointed in Cool Worlds too. They obviously did very little research for this video
It doesn't seem like you actually _listened_ to anything that was said.
Also, nobody cares that you were "in the Navy". It doesn't make you a God, nor does it mean you can't be just as stupid or wrong as any other human being on earth. Humans who were "in the navy" are still humans. They are susceptible to all the good AND bad traits of being human. They are smart; they are stupid; they are honest; they are liars; they give money to homeless shelters; they kidnap children; They are perfectly mentally healthy; They have schizophrenia and hear voices talking to them... They're just people.
@@davecarsley8773 dude chill, the only reason i said i was "in the Navy" wasn't to boast myself. It was simply to indicate that i have been around this stuff a great deal and i know what they track and what they do not track. Now i haven't watched this video in a while so i cant tell you if i missed something or not but i do remember that it sure sounded like he was just trying to dismiss this whole notion of them being anything but large birds, which i would stand by my statement as being just nonsense.
@@jasonsmith3202 no no no, the Chinese and Russians or anyone else stand no chance against our Navy. That i can promise you!
Nick....the Navy didn't realize it was just a plane...lol didn't realize with radar and seeing it come down from 80,000 feet... "it was just a plane" LOL
Vincent Nowak who are you to speak for the navy😂😂😂
Perhaps they did. Seems to me it was discarded in the military as something not worth any hassle. Then when it was declassified upon request they just chuckled at the monkeys dancing over what internally was deemed just another misunderstanding or a practical joke.
Vincent Nowak I’ll let the secretary of the Navy speak for the Navy, I was a Marine but would never presume to speak for the Marine Corps
Try to take a drive, use an infrared camera, and try to later identify every single thing caught on camera. Then get back to me
@@Ffollies What a horrible comparison. Try recording the sky with an infrared camera (which is quite literally what is happening in this case) and see how many objects you can identify. You just limited your search QUITE a bit. You now see only planes, helicopters and other various misc. forms of fuel-powered aviation crafts. You now have a much more narrow field to identify from.
So remind me, where does this craft lie in that field?
You do realise that fighter jets did chase these aircraft and got visuals on them, as well as radar data from an entire us aircraft battle group? There is testimony by crew of the battle group crew who witnessed these aircraft going into the water and traveling at over 500 knots under water ( this was recorded on sonar by the battle group submarine). Here is the documentary of what happened that day as documented by carrier group and crew. check of the channel the nimitz encounters. th-cam.com/video/PRgoisHRmUE/w-d-xo.html
you may also want to check out dr steven greer's channel who has given briefing to cia and presidents about the alien presence on earth.
Aliens is a misdirection. Its advanced military technology. Presumably US technology. People responsible are on record as feeding the aliens theory to throw people off sightings of classified technogies.
@@holdenrobbins852 you're not informed on the matter. The Nazis had the ufo technology from the 1930s, same as the states. We have man made ufos but they were manafactured from ET craft. I suggest you research the annunaki. Additionally, how do you explain cave paintings that are dated to 40,000 years that have exactly the same pictures of ufos related to what we're seeing today. Were those man made? Leonardo Dr Vinci has ufos in his painting, exactly the same as we're encountering today. How do you explain that. Additionally, what about all the nasa astronauts, academics, top level military officials that have tried to come out but have been silenced?I suggest you start by looking at Dr Steven Greer and Dr John Mack from Harvard uni as a starting point.
That parallax effect is trippy when your brain thinks it's at one distance when it's actually way closer. I've been fooled by it and it's mind blowing
Try telling that to the ‘I Want To Believe’ people commenting on this video. Even after it being explained what the actual speed of that zipping UFO was, and the effect of parallax, some bloke a few comments up is STILL going on about impossible speeds against the wind. What is fascinating is the psychology of people.
The "I want to believe people" happened to mention that the first hand accounts were conveniently left out of the "debunking". Which also assumed that the entire US navy cannot tell the difference between a bird a balloon or a jet. And that you can build an F-18 and a carrier task force in your garage. You know... small details.
Some people really need to learn to say 'I don't know' instead of this divisive tribal bullshit.
His assessment is ridiculous. He basically ignores every single detail and backstory behind the Nimitz encounter and all of its witnesses. He bases everything on the video clip and none of the context behind the actual event. Like the fact that ship radars were tracking these things for a week before they had planes sent after them. Military radar can track objects to a tee. Not "quadrants".
Radar can be very precise, but you need to tell it where to scan in the first place.
@@ergohackthe aegis spy1 radar is way more advanced than the typical commercial radar that mick is thinking of.
There will always be these sort of smug naysayers, who deny any possibility other than balloons blowing in the wind or other aircraft. I think it’s comforting to them. The truth is much more uncertain, and has a lot of people in a lot of places scratching their heads.
you should get David Fravor on Podcast!
I respect that
@@ajwysopal actually a drone is quite plausible. it definitely wasn't a weather balloon or pelican.
Yes, I would love to see and hear David's thousands of hours trained eyes and experienced head clash with this guy's and watch the outcome.
@@neutrino78x Doing 210 knots into a head wind, that's one hell of a drone!
@@ajwysopal that's what is said. The thing is there is no proof of that
I'm with him on the Gimble camera rotation, but what about when he states ''There's a fleet of them''... Planes don't fly in fleets, right? - Also, doesn't the 'tick tac' in the 'Go Fast' video appear to dip below the water at one point? The pilot (who later interviewed with Joe Rogan) said that he saw the 'tic-tac' darting around erratically above the sea with bubbling water below it. To add to that, he then informed Joe that these objects were picked up multiple times on radar over the course of DAYS and that it was not a one-off incident. They were eventually scrambled (two planes) to intercept the target, which disappeared from radar to then 'pop' back into existence at their CAP (pre-determined point)... That's one hell of a 6-12 foot balloon... ^_^
Somebody mentions fleets, but we dont know what they refer to. We see nothing of the sort in the vids. And nothing dips below the water.
Why should the video show everything?
I suppose we're just gonna ignore the fact he clearly states, 'It's rotating!'
@@misium - I was thinking of the Puerto Rico airport video, my mistake, but suprising similar in shape.
@@arkhitekt7733 They explained that in the video.
We need a lot more logical, reasoned thinkers like Mick West. We've got too many easily manipulated people in this world that are not skeptical and do use critical thinking skills.
Easily manipulated people = Gullible
You mean a guy who takes videos out of context and presents this like this isball the info there is on the videos?
We need more people to pay more attention to the entire story and the details.
For instance multiple radars, an entire fleet tracking objects whereafter pilots were scrambled to interxept and them then seeing it with their own eyes and onboard cameras.
@@darkfoxjjout of context? One of the videos debunks itself, with the data on the screen. This is how science works - everything must be tested.
Opposite. He completely discounts multiple experienced pilots. He is stuck and stubborn. They also saw these things with their own eyes.
It was seen
- by multiple fighter jet pilots (in different planes)
- picked up by the fighter jet's radar
- picked up by the USS Nimitz's radar.
I made a clip dedicated to this one. You'll love it!
Man can fly fighter jet but was never taught how to tell how far away things are. Seems legit.
You can't be trained to just know how far away things are. Its not an ability that human being possess. We need equipment to do that with any accuracy and its very easy to fool yourself. Even for elite pilots, they are only human.
The pilot reported that it was close but the ranging sensor could not range it. Either the ranging sensor was broken or it was too far away (>100 miles) to range and the pilot misjudged. Which one do you think is more likely? The pilot has only the parallax of his eyes to judge distance, combined with how big he thinks the object is, and under those circumstances it's not as easy as people think. After all, if you don't know either size or distance it is impossible to accurately gauge both just by looking. People on the ground misjudge distances of flying objects all the times, mostly because if they are expecting something to be close, their brains will assume it's close and everything else derives from that assumption. Next time the moon comes over the horizon, have a look and give me your ballpark estimate as to how far it is.
Forget that, it's 2020 and this is the best we got with all the cameras everywhere? It's just disappointing. If they can filmed, why is there no clear footage from any of these cameras? Just these blurry night vision BS, it will take more than that to convince me its aliens
@Paul Thomas Johnson well in basic training in the army you get taught how to judge distances of objects. I imagine its even more important in a fighter jet that moves around in the air. Aye sure though, must have to be superman to judge distance.
@Paul Thomas Johnson exactly people make mistakes, like Mick West. Several experts on this flir tech have made videos showing why Mick is incorrect. Let's go with the experts who have no reason to misinform the public. But Mick does have a reason to misinform, that's what he does.
Iam not a big UFO guy but theres no way in heck the Navy is not gonna know theres a Passenger jet in there view .no matter how far ..on radar ..ARE YOU SERIOUS ..
My guess is that radar return they got on the FLIR object was what is called a "second time around return" A radar sends out a pulse every so many microseconds then displays the returns. Once the maximum time for the range is exceeded another pulse is sent. Sometimes the radar will pick up a return from a previous pulse but the range will be displayed incorrectly. There is an incident recorded in the Condon report of a radar sighting at Kincheloe AFB in Sept. 1967 in which the target behaved "erratically", that incident went down as unexplained. I was present that night as an Air Traffic Control Radar Maintenance technician at the radar. I am here to tell you that was a second time around return. The investigation interviewed the radar operators, no one wanted to talk to a mere maintenance technician. But I knew a hell of a lot about radar than any idiot operator. A radiosonde launched from Sault Ste. Marie at the time indicated a strong temperature inversion, a perfect recipe for a second time around returns.
I work with ultrasonics, I know not the same, but in principle, I am an expert in that, and yes, there can be many "ghost" or erroneous signals detected if your set up of instrumentation is incorrect...and once you setup parameters are fixed, the erroneous signals go away, and yes, there are many "dumb" operators who only know the basics of operating the instrumentation and know very little about the details of "how it works" and how all the setup parameters work.
interesting. apparently it was a new radar system as well? but would this second time around phenomenon happen with modern radar?
How do the “Tic Tac” accounts not match? Underwood and Fravor match exactly. You could imply that Fravor led Underwood into believing he was going to see an anomaly (confirmation bias) but their accounts are consistent. And I would place my trust in veteran F18 pilot.
He makes no sense dude. I made a clip dedicated to it. You'll love it
Although I love your channel and tend to agree that the majority of "ufo" sightings have terrestrial explanations that are far less interesting than many people would like to believe, I think Mick West is doing a great disservice to the significance of the Nimitz encounter, specifically. Mick cannot possibly suggest that two weeks' worth of Aegis radar data, the most advanced radar system in the world at that time, was "just a glitch." Furthermore, I think it is a very weak argument to suggest that all four naval aviators, who are arguably the very best in the world at identifying aircraft, all suffered from situational awareness. Mick is obviously suffering from confirmation bias, otherwise he would realize this particular encounter has no logical explanation. One of the radar operators who witnessed this even has come forward in interviews and said the crew of the ship actually powered down and restarted the entire radar system at one point to check for glitches. And after doing so, the unexplainable radar sightings continued. The radar data from numerous ships in the carrier strike group, the FA-18 data and the aviator's eyewitness accounts cannot be dismissed as a balloon, not without making himself look like a fool.
You said it brother I couldn't believe that this program with put something on like this without somebody canceling him in any way or even at least making him answer some of the tough questions that the aviator pilot said doing that video it just doesn't seem like he knows what he's talking about.
"most advanced radar systems" lmao, just a bunch of authoritarian arguments by you. these fly boys arent exactly geniuses that understand the equipment theyve been given. gimme a break.
@@sudazima Your comment is pure ignorance and you wouldn't last a week in the training they have gone through. You sound like a keyboard warrior stuck in a third-world country. I guess that is why you play video games instead of achieving anything?
Anything to not say the obvious even guessing that its this or that. De-bunkers are just like atheists who deny deny deny regardless of the evidence.
The hubble telescope was the most advance telescope in the world at one time and all it gave was blurry images!
Lol, what complete and utter nonsense at an attempted debunk. So bad its actually pretty funny.
What a lazy/silly/arrogant way to comment on something taken out of context.
For one, leave the audio in. That would already debunk most of it. In one video the pilots say it is not a balloon because the wind travels the other way and there are multiple on the radar.
Which brings you to the next peoblem, this guy fails to tell us the backgroundstory/context. Is it because he doesnt even know? Or is he leaving it out on purpose to gain more credibility.
Really? I'm supposed to ignore trained pilots possibly with hundreds of hours flying but put all of my faith in the guy who made a Tony Hawk video game. Don't think so
Look at the evidence, not the person. You think trained pilots are perfect? apnews.com/04f99258b10eab79f0fed31e7885dc21#:~:text=TUCSON%2C%20Ariz.&text=Amy%20Svoboda%20failed%20to%20realize,to%20die%20in%20a%20crash.
sounds like you had a bad time in tony hawk!
@@inf3243 I've never had sex with Tony Hawke
Guys your debunker is just poor. I understand the maths you presented but please explain frames @14:17 - @14:19, it's very short, just play it at 0.25 speed to see it properly. But what I want you to look at is the actual speed of the object against the ocean background. That thing is moving really really really fast. The camera was waiting for the object to reach the frame before it begun tracking it. The object zipped into frame and then the camera started tracking it. Can you explain how your balloon or pelican did that? In fact there was probably a reason why they started tracking it in the first place.
To top this up, if the Jet was moving at 300mph and the balloon at 40mph, wasn't the camera angle supposed to quickly change according to your maths? That non-radical changing angle proves that the jet was moving at the same or lesser speed than the object. Eyeball a person walking on the street from a moving car and feel the angle change in your eyes to get the idea, unless the person is moving faster or at the same speed as the car.
@@emmanuelmahuni8163 of course, its a rather poor demonstration from a self-called debunker and would not pass a scientific expertise. But it sounds cool ;-)
@@emmanuelmahuni8163 I also wondered about the very same thing. You looked at the footage where the cam has targetted some spot on the water and thus seemed to be resting in the air. When now this object comes onto the scene it moves very fast. We would tend to think that what we see must be that object’s speed. Interestingly it is an optical illusion. You can try it out yourself. Focus on something that has a certain distance from you and now move, but keep that one spot focussed. Now have something between you and the focussed spot. While you move you see that object in the middle move into the scene at some good speed.
So indeed Mick’s explanation works for both observations. One is: how can the object move so fast into the field of view while the cam focusses on one spot in the water, and secondly why that object is moving fast while *it* is locked.
@@att.6134 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@autumnroxielynn2423 You don’t think that it is an optical illusion? Note, I am not saying that it is a balloon. I just say that the explanation about the optical illusion would work. About the object itself I can’t say much - I simply don’t know what it was, I couldn’t identify it. And combined with David Fravor’s observation I just don’t know what it was. However, besides that: if there is an airplane with a camera and the cam looks at a certain spot and keeps it central, and then between the airplane and the water there is a very slowly moving object, then it *would* look like as if the object is flying very fast. So *if* there would have been a balloon that moves very slow, and the airplane cam focusses on one fix spot in the water, then it would seem as if the balloon would move very fast. This is the only thing that I say, and not that I identify the object.
But both observations can _easily_ be explained with the optical trick. One observation is that the airplane cam focusses on a fix spot of the water and the incoming object moves very fast. The other is when the object is focussed and it seems to be moving fast.
However, I do not say that the object is moving slowly. It could be a pretty fast object indeed. But if it wasn’t then the airplane speed itself would be recorded, and it would look similar as in the clip. So neither is the explanation debunking a balloon nor is it proving one.
So...what your saying is a video game\sci fi writer knows more about military videos, and sensors than the trained pilots? I would hope they are trained to know the difference between different objects in the sky, and the basics of FLIR images.
There are surely hundreds, thousands of cases where these expert trained pilots are not fooled by geometric illusions (and thus never make the news), but what’s more likely - on rare occasions they are fooled, or aliens flew around the atmosphere?
Sorry this just made me laugh imagining a trained pilot circling a balloon yelling "oh my god its chasing me" He must of had one of those dumb days or he was smoking something. Lol
@@CoolWorldsLab Or it is a new man made propulsion tech that they are not privy.
The said there were no emissions coming from the craft no noticeable propulsion. Why would the trained pilots say that if it was heat from a 4th gen fighter plane that they see in simulators and in real training.
I don't know what these people saw, but I am always amazed by how people interpret what they see. Human beings believe what they want to believe, be it ghost, bigfoot , aliens, or Jesus in a taco.
I wouldn’t live in a country where the army is so stupid....
Not sure the pilots know what they observed, in fact they openly admit that. They are some of the best in the world as far as training and experience goes, so if they say they have seen a tick tack object maneuvering the way they describe it’s probably foolish to dismiss them.
@@denononohardcore2 I agree 100%. The pilots that intercepted the tic tac are the most reliable eyewitnesses we've ever had when it comes to UFO/UAP sightings.
do objective research and you’ll find there’s substantially more evidence for ufo’s than for something as silly as Jesus or bigfoot. Different topics altogether but they get thrown in a barrel labeled “FRINGE, DO NOT TOUCH”
We’ll said and very tru, we often see what we want to see, the first thing that comes to mind or things we fear and don’t understand. Probably some form of primal survival instinct which corresponds with our fight or flight instinct
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Weather balloon, I heard that before; the pelican that is a good new one.
Swamp gas man.
Yeah the Pelican thing is funny
He had nothing else good to say lmao just had to come up with a answer
I respect that
This guy should teach the well trained fighter pilots how to use the numbers on the HUD and how to do the maths.
It's simple.
Lol,...love it...
:D LOL
He needs to work on the math. He used the gimbal angle not the gimbal + aircraft nose angle.
yup those dumb super-hornet pilots, they obviously dont know how to use their systems properly, the princeton captain too..... and Fravor flies past a balloon that disappears, he never turned around to re acuire....... some believe to this very day he is still out there trying to find his way home.
Humans, no matter how well trained, are very fallible. Ever heard of friendly fire incidents?
so on the gimble video, the pilot didn't know that it was another fighter jet right in front of it and was never able to identify it??
this pilot never followed another fighter before???
It wasn't right in front of him.
This entire clip is very insulting to the pilots and radar officers.
Probably not a fighter jet, likely a passenger jet far outside the range of their radar but close enough for the flir cam to see the plume from their engines. Its basically a point source in the camera and the camera displays that diamond shape when its a point source. It really does make perfect sense without having to make a million assumption about things we have evidence to show should be impossible. Its boring but most of these things turn out that way when looked into. Not sure why everyone finds him to be so condescending. Maybe its the accent idk. Seemed to me like they were being very careful not to insult or make fun of anyone. Unlike most of the comments here from people that would rather believe its something magical.
Edit: Thanks for the love Cool Worlds. Although I seriously doubt my thoughts on this push the needle one way or the other for most people. Until we learn about basic human nature we will keep making these dumb mistakes and falling for the same old BS we always have. It's gonna be pretty ironic if it turns out one of our adversaries is collecting high value intelligence on US Naval assets with...... wait for it.......balloons. And conventional drones and we completely miss it because of cattle mutilations, anal probing and cough cough skinwalkerranch cough.... Sorry I can't resist. Its just that I'm not saying it's aliens......because it's not aliens. Nobody needs to reply to me, I think your idiots and you think i'm an idiot. So we're typical Americans, let's just leave it at that. Great video like always Cool Worlds! Thank you!
We will inform the Prime One of your contributions to our colonization efforts.👽
So, has anyone wondered where these extra planes came from? Oh and glare! Disregard all of the reports of tracking a number of these objects over a number of days. Next we will ignore the eye witness reports and the speed indicated on the radar and it becomes a balloon drifting at wind speed. So, i get it, you just have to throw out all the tech that helps you aquire information about what you have a lock on . Amazing to have the ability to nail down what something is or isn't from behind a desk looking at a video on a laptop. Bottom line: Mick's analysis only goes as far as his belief system or concept of reality. In other words: Can't be this or that because i don't believe in "this or that."
@@allineedis1mike81 not really, hwo does a passenger jet manage to outwit a navy strike group and advance radars
All these explanations rely on everyone conveniently being retarded at the exact moment
and then 16 years later, for no apparent reason, they release the videos
A TH-camr debunker that relies on income from debunking and not proving.🤔
Except claiming to have proof (which is bogus) is much easier than debunking with convincing explanations. There is this proverb. It's easier to dupe you than convincing you that you have been duped.
@@musashi939 Proof and evidence are two different things my man. People constantly equate the two for some reason.
@@spracketskooch ok I stand corrected. So it must be UFOs.....
@@musashi939 UFOs and alien piloted interstellar spacecraft are two different things too, lol. It's usually the hardcore skeptics that are the first people in a given conversation to bring up aliens. Don't straw man somebody's position.
@@spracketskooch I'm sorry I was just being sarcastic. I'm a hardcore skeptic when it comes to UFOs and the videos we have seen so far. Your pointing out the confusion between evidence and proof sounded a bit too much like nitpicking, with no point. I won't be convinced it's a ufo /uap with these potato cameras and all we see on the these videos is a confusion of high speed with the parallax effect. No instruments are visible that show the actual speed. Only people jump to conclusions here. People have no idea. I do neither. But the whole thing taught me a lot about such effects when I started to dig deeper.
...so a Balloon ,a Pelican or experienced Pilots confused by equipment malfunctions. sigh
Matt Dillahunty, a popular atheist said, some Thiest's have told him, even if he could demonstrably prove there was no creator, they would still believe there was one. After reading this comment section, no wonder we're a stone throw away from nuclear war...ffs
Damn, so navy pilots & radar interpreters have no idea what they’re looking at.
Could it be that they couldn’t have accelerated their combat aircraft jets to catch up & observe these objects up close?
I mean Goose & Mav would have already snapped an inverted pic by now.
a Ballon Travelling at 100mph, that's 160Kph a balloon and trained pilots don't know the difference between a balloon and a aircraft
they Debunking fake videos? this makes complete sense
The morning after?
Google and maverick are fake movie characters real fighter pilots cant do fake movie shit
I was thinking the exact same thing!! Where is the close-up polaroid!! :)
The 2nd is definitely the millennium falcon
I thought the same thing... "did the Russians or Chinese develop a Millenium Falcon-style aircraft?" LOL
Anyone else notice they never brought up the radar pinging on that one? Or the distance? Supposedly it was another jet, with its engines causing that glare, but it would have had to be close enough the pilots would have been aware of what was there to do that. Not to mention this guys "recreation" in his garage had zero resemblance to the video!
During the "Gimbal" video, the reaction of the pilots is not consistent with Mr. West's explanation. Were they just out of flight school? They were seeing something that was extraordinary to them. Also, at one point, it sounds like one pilot says, "There is a whole fleet of them..."
I am extremely skeptical of UFOs but the fact that a pilot found this strange leads me to believe that something strange happened. I'm not saying it's aliens though.
Yeah but they're not revising all the videos and interviews that were done to these pilots as they were encountering these things on several days and one of them tracked by the radar jumped from their location to the other meeting point, but I guess that's just the speed of a balloon on the wind and it can stop at will. 🤷♂️
Yeah, I think it was 5 other small craft that were in a V formation that turned back against the direction the fighters were flying.
Apparently there's radar data that has not been released that verifies this.
@@happyhammer1 , I agree. I'm a pilot with 24,000 hours, and have flown with plenty of military fighter pilots as well. I can guarantee that from their reaction as well as interviews they've had, this object WAS NOT a weather ballon or some misidentifiend distant object. The sky is our office, we KNOW what's normal and what isn't. To suggest that these highly skilled and experience fighter pilots were reacting to a ballon, is like saying they mistook a an 800 pound lion for a house cat that was in your house.
@@lubricatedgoat , yes. As reported by one of the fighter jets the "balloon" was traveling against the wind at 150mph. Obviously NOT a ballon. It's insulting to the professional aviators to suggest that they misidentified this object so grossly.
While these videos are interesting, we need far better supporting evidence to claim extraterrestrial craft. I hope we get it as it would be the greatest discovery humans could make. Imagine irrefutable evidence for intelligent life outside of Earth ! Blurry images don't cut it and we must be a little skeptical about eye witness testimony, however well meant.
Oh well, he would obviously know better than highly trained fighter pilots and experienced systems operators. Too smug and dismissive.
This is true, and applicable to every ‘expert’ in every field. Infallibility simply does not exist . But we all look to these experts for answers, based upon their qualifications and the acceptance of their validity within their chosen field . We can then take the information received, and make our decisions based upon that perceived validity.
First he said it could be a plane, which it wasn’t. Then he said it could be a pelican or a balloon 😂🤣😂
There are three different videos.
Mick West & they were all the same object that they were tracking.
Mick West I’ve heard crazier theories though, someone else said it could be a carrier bag 😂
@@milesy023 Uh, no. This discussion is about three different videos of three different events. I would suggest watching it again, and with an open mind this time, though I suspect that may be impossible for you.
omg the comment section here is cancer. His explanations make perfect sense but people want to believe in tictac aliens.
Very disappointing and biased video, Cool Worlds….. You clearly are biased yourself, have a biased guest on whos career is based on trying to falsifying things without any evidence. Unsubscribe.
That's not a debunking. That's just some guy saying this is what I think it could be. He might be right but he proves nothing and why does he think the pilots are a bunch of naive newbs. Again, very possible he's right but his arrogance makes me want him to be wrong.
A lot of it just math though. You can check it yourself.
I dunno, he seemed a lot less arrogant to me than many other people doing their version of "debunking".
Why talk to a random, can't they talk to the professional pilots who where there , just saying
It would have been nice to see the pilot also in this video so they could have a actual conversation with the people who were there
Joe Rogan did a lengthy interview with David Fravor, one of the pilots, which completely eliminates any possibility of an optical illusion or a bird. Transcript here: medium.com/@good_scribe/joe-rogan-experience-1361-cmdr-david-fravor-jeremy-corbell-readable-transcript-badf91c2c406
Mick West kind of paraphrases Fravor's account a little bit. Fravor described a tic-tac like object moving erratically near some sort of patch of white water on the surface, as if near a submerged object of some kind. This tic-tac then rose up and circled around him, according to Fravor. Then he cut across the circle:
>"I just kinda drop my nose aggressively and I cut across the circle. And it’s coming this way - because I’m trying to fly to where it’s gonna be because I wanna join on it. I wanna see how close I can get to it.
>And as I’m pulling up, it’s kinda starting to cross my nose, and it starts to accelerate. And within about less than a second, as I start to pull nose on to it, and it crosses right in front of me, it just goes poof. And it’s gone.
>So, I call the other airplane. I said, “Hey, you guys - you guys see that thing?” And they’re like, “Sir, it’s gone. We don’t see it at all.”
> I say, “Hey, let’s turn around. And let’s go back to see what was in the water.” There’s - was there something there? So, we turn around. We’re right there. We haven’t gone anywhere. It’s gone. Water’s perfectly - there’s no white water. It’s just blue. We’re like, okay.
I don't read that as it whizzing past him as he flew past it. To me it reads like it flew away crosswise.
The only way to "debunk" that is to flat out say that he's making the whole thing up, which is possible I suppose.
Might have been kind of hard to get a hold of the pilots who witnessed these things years ago as they probably have other things to do with their time. Besides, witnesses are often unreliable as any law enforcement personnel would tell you. Video is a much better way to analyze this than talking to one of the pilots.
_"Why talk to a random"_
He didn't. He talked to what the military call a "subject matter expert". In this case, someone with experience in analysing unusual aircraft footage. Expertise he showed in his ability to use the information given by the aircraft/camera instruments to reconstruct the moving 3D relationship between the aircraft, unknown object, and surface. Could you do that?
That's kinda harsh on this "professional" debunker but it is a fair point that this shaggy dude only called in the debunker to fit his narrative.
A weather balloon think I've heard this before haaaa
@Robert Dillahunstville The Sport Model Pilot bro, funny i found you here
Legend has it Mick West thinks it was Tony Hawk Flying through the sky doing some flips.
It's funny how Mick is speaking like the army isn't capable of distinguishing a airplane, or calculating distance. As if they aren't experienced enough in the fields of their jobs. 😂 I mean we certainly don't know for sure what these things could be. But Mick doesn't have enough credibility for me to immediately debunk everything else.. The military would loose a lot of credibility if they didn't double check before making any claims, so i don't think they didn't carefully looked it through and investigate before releasing footage, or making statements.
Listening to the guy with the glasses say it doesn't make sense. He's asking the wrong questions.. We don't know what they could be made of, what they need, what they know about us, what they're here for, if they're ultraterrestrial, if they're probes and the actual extraterrestrials aren't even here yet. What if there's an advanced civilization, they managed to get here, doesn’t mean they're automatically gods and mastered everything in science. We don't even know how they would think or see the world, they could be completely different from what we expected. That's just hypothetically. The way he laughs awkwardly about it makes me think he just want to feed into the "Sober narratives" avoiding the stigma. I mean they're both definitely not dxmb people, but they do sound like fools.
I think trained fighter Pilots know what they’re looking at...they would know a weather balloon or the back of another fighter jet.
More British troops died because of American Air Force friendly fire than they did from the enemy in the Gulf war. Pilots aren't super heroes with special powers they are human and therefore fallible lie everyone else.
Sometimes they get fooled. Things can be very disorientating up there. I think with all of these videos, the pilots thought what they were looking at was was in a different location than they thought it was which let to them thinking it was doing things that aren't possible.
@@mattwilson2499
ok, what about the ship's radar? This isn't the 1800s....multiple sensors detected these objects.
and btw...I don't know if you realize this...military officers are required to have college degrees. Many fighter pilots have degrees in physics or engineering. So these are educated ladies and gentlemen. LCDR Alexandra Dietrich has a BS in civil engineering. Commander David Fravor also was trained in the TOP GUN program. So I question that these people have no idea what they were doing or were confused.
Whether this a weird natural phenomenon or some kind of black project or aliens, it's something that needs to be investigated on an ongoing basis. You can't just say "well it's probably not aliens therefore it can't possibly a threat and it's not something to investigate". Even if it's a natural phenomenon, we need to know that!!
@@tomedward8652 and officers in her Majesty's Royal Air Force and Royal Navy have seen UFOs too. In many cases, they are detected on multiple sensors. It's something that we needs an ongoing investigation. I agree it's probably not aliens but it's also not something to dismiss.
@@neutrino78x - I think one of the problems is that for what ever reason, certain people hate logical or plausible explanations. There are plenty of examples that give valid explanations but people will always resort to the name calling when they hear these explanations. And unfortunately it is usually the most mundane explanations that are most likely. I could give examples but I will immediately be shot down with comments like “yes, but the pilot SAID he saw XYZ, and therefore IT must be unexplainable”. All humans are fallible so their testimony can only go so far - like in any court case. So far there isn’t a single case that would stand up in court as evidence of aliens. But I am not denying these pilots didn’t see anything or that some issues are difficult to explain. But as you have said yourself they do require explaining as these are issues of national defence.
No context though. I recall one of these videos was the second flight after David Fravors encounter. After reporting what he saw, the next F18 to launch attempted to film it, successfully so. So context is important. And what Fravor reported certainly wasnt a bird of weather balloon. It was said to outmanouver his aircraft and accelerate away at multi mach speed. Then we have reports by radar operators of objects dropping from 80,000 feet to just above the ocean. Reports of objects seen on the Spy One radar throughout the excercise. Cube shaped objects out accelerating F18's etc.
You should ask yourself why everything extraordinary only appears in the "context", you can't verify.
Shouldn't that ring a few alarm bells?
@@MrCmon113 Who did you address that comment to?
@@MrCmon113 You should ask yourself why Mick the government shill is always debunking and never verifying or anything else. yeah im gonna believe this paid shill over a top gun instructor . ok
@@martinw245 Taxtro is a dummy. Just like Mick. Don't worry about it.
I trust more the official videos from the US Navy and the actual feedback of trained jetfighter pilots, than some guys who mostly stay home and never been out in the world to see such stuff themselves. Thanks.
Yeah!
Who cares about pesky things like fact checking and careful analysis when you can just lean on some good old argument from authority!
Don't let some guy with a sound and sensible explanation get in the way of your beliefs!
After all, you _want_ to believe and damn it if you're not gonna get what you want!
Agreed. I'll take the word of the highly trained observers that were actually there who provided evidence to backup their claim!
Man, i was so excited for this channel, but this 'at all costs' debunking without cross examination was really poor
I spent 5 years in a F/A 18 squadron (VFA 204). I know a little bit more than average about this aircraft and the type of guys that fly it. It's with this background I can tell you this guy has no idea what he's talking about. I don't know what those things were. Not even gonna take a guess. But this guy sure as hell don't know.
So you don't have any explanation, but you're totally sure this man's explanations are entirely wrong, even though he's recreating these phenomena in his garage? You're a tool.
@@jonescrusher1 yep. He's using another instance of an argument out of incredulity / ignorance. I can't explain what it is therefore Y (usually God). The numbers show that the thing they're tracking is nothing out of the ordinary. Trigonometry is your friend.
Did anybody here fly an F18 besides Michael? Probably not, yet you armchair skeptics dismiss him out of hand.
Why not just call it swamp gas so we can see the quality of your skepticism.
@@jsnel9185 do you know what an argument from authority is? Look it up.
@@jsnel9185 it’s not swamp gas, it’s just aircraft
These explanations are really down to earth and make lots of sense. It doesn't explain things without a doubt, but offers a simple, realistic way to interpret these. As Sagan aid, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidences, and those videos & testimony aren't extraordinary evidence enough.
The bit on which I do disagree is about their behavior, in case they are aliens visits. If they can travel interstellar distances, they clearly have nothing to fear from us. No more than we have to fear all the animals/insects/plants we routinely study here. Less so even. Maybe they would be able to gather whatever data/observations they want/need just by flying close to stuff. They may not have a need/desire for more direct contact. But they may not care more than we do about being seen by wildlife. They also may not be willing to study us all that specifically - maybe they would be interested about earth as an ecosystem more broadly, of which we are a part but not the sole focus.
I guess ultimately, trying to guess motivations of an interstellar traveller is quite a futile undertaking.
Extraordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence.
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Respectfully- Sagan was wrong on this. There is no such thing as an extraordinary claim, and there is no such thing as extraordinary evidence. Claims are claims, and evidence is evidence, and the scientific method can be applied to claims and use evidence to test those claims regardless of how the observer personally feels about said claims.
‘Extraordinary’ is a judgment given by an observer to a claim. Judgments, scientifically speaking, corrupt the experiment.
I hope this helps. Sagan was a great dude, and generally a champion of science. But on this point he was wrong.
Some people can literally get whacked by big throbbing extraordinary evidence right on face and they would be thinking they know better
@@make.and.believe He wasn't actually wrong, you're just pedantic.
If I claimed that I ate an apple, that's a rather ordinary claim. It's ordinary because apples exist and people eat them. Even if I can't demonstrate it, it's reasonable for anyone to take me on my word.
If I claimed that I ate an apple while riding my pet dragon, that's an extraordinary claim. These two claims are not equivalent, and one clearly requires a higher burden of proof.
Burden of proof is something that does exist in science, and some claims require higher burdens of proof. This is not unscientific, in fact it's quite in line with science as we know it.
Yes, what may be an extraordinary claim today may not be one tomorrow, but that doesn't really matter.
This is a case of you being pedantic instead of actually understanding what he was saying.
Me eating an apple is a claim. Me eating an apple while flying on my pet dragon is also a claim. They are not equal.
@@minutemansam1214 to feel something is ‘extraordinary’ is to make a judgement about it, be it a claim or evidence. The argument, respectfully, is not pedantic- it is not about nit picking the wording, it is in fact an argument against bias in scientific experimentation. Bias (ie the excercise of passing judgment) has no place in the scientific method. In fact, the scientific method absolutely forbids it, as it directly corrupts the experiment.
You can't just debunk the video alone because there's a whole scenario that's got eyewitness, radar footage, and millions of dollars of military technology. I cannot believe the audacity to say "its a balloon" then disregard everything that is linked to the event in its entirety. The pilots who saw these things every single time they flew, the radar footage that shows a possible fleet surround the ship, the crew who have said that one event saw the objects shine a light onto the ship and it looked like daytime it was that bright. I respect your opinion but I just don't think "its a balloon" with some recreation of the video alone is debunking anything. If that's all we had, yes, your theory is valid, possible and acceptable. But with the entirety of the event added onto it, not debunked.
No Aliens have ever visited Earth. The entire thing is nothing more than a pop culture artifact.
What I find most interesting is that out of all of the experts in the Navy, years of experience with operating cameras, radar, heat signatures, etc. someone who has but a minuscule of all of that has figured all of this out. Someone, mind you, who is admittedly biased toward "debunking" something. I'd like to hear analysis from a non-debunker/non-believer or analysis by someone who truly has decades of experience in the air and not someone who took a couple of "flying lessons." After watching this analysis, all I'M left with is: gee, our Navy must be pretty bad to not recognize the heat signatures of other jets. I'm pro-military and it's pretty bad seeing someone sit up here and clown the Navy, like that. ???
Would be interesting to see Mick on a podcast with Fravor, but that is likely to never happen.
Mick would love that, Fravor did a response video that wasn't that good.
@@lithium23 it was brilliant this Mike west is an idiot .. let’s not forget the radar
@@marcv2648 Then why not release the radar data rather than those unremarkable videos?
This guy has made a career out of shutting down any unorthodox ideas. Chemtrails and so on are easily debunked, but he fails here. Why would the US military have a concealed UFO program if footage like this is so easily debunked? Would the US military really make a conscious effort to hide this footage from people if Mr. West could debunk it from his armchair? Would they really be battling with high-ranking politicians like Harry Reid over a crock of shit?
Sorry, Mr. West, but I don't buy your "rational" explanation. As if you know more about this incident than the ACTUAL pilots who were flying at the time, and the dozens of experts who no doubt looked over the footage before it was leaked.
@@mortyjames5897 I hear those concerns, and share(d) many of them myself upon seeing his initial debunking. Admittedly, both Mick and Thunderf00t's explanations are lacking. However they are both disregarding the actual eyewitness accounts, and just going with the footage we have available. Thunderf00t concludes one of the videos is a duck...
To play devil's advocate: There was little fight back on releasing the footage. It actually existed online for well over a decade before the NYT gave it any credence.
The US made little effort to hide the footage, because presumedly they knew there was nothing here worth hiding. Perhaps they came to a definitive conclusion of what it was.
It could even be one of our own craft, and the video intentionally leaked to send a message to China or Russia. This theory also supports characteristics of the encounter. Ie: happened on a training day, the Tic Tac craft knew of their vector point preemptively, and the mirrored "dogfight" behavior patterns it was described as doing.
Why are these videos and pictures of UFOs always always always vague, blurry, too far away? Where is the one incontrovertible, unmistakeable clear video or picture of an alien spacecraft?
they dont exist because aliens havent visited us. people will literally record anything weird they see on their phones and post it on the internet. even a phone from 2015 will have better qualitty than this garbage
Sorry Mick but I have to go with David Fravor on this one. And Ryan Graves too.
Thanks. I love Mr. West's comment that he posted some BLOGs debunking chemtrails, and that he "thought it would all be sorted", then he adds that 12 years later it's still a major conspiracy theory. Yeah, I'm afraid you're not going to be able to get past the mental roadblocks & blind spots most conspiracy buffs put up about their little pet ideas. Interestingly, it's much the same with religions & cults - not to mention various other things. There's an old saying that goes, "Never argue with someone who's convinced they're right." Then there's one of my favorite Robert A. Heinlein quotes: "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Someone asked me on Quora how to convince their friend that the Earth isn't actually flat. My reply? Don't even bother; you can't win that argument because they "know" exactly what they want to know. tavi.
It doesn't help when people are called conspiracy theorists for beliefs that are then proven fact just months later. I don't intend to make this a political debate, but I could list dozens of such "conspiracy theories" recently that have been fact. I'm not arguing this fact because, like you said, when someone is convinced they are infallible, Richard, there is no point telling them they may have it wrong. You can always put your trust in science, you just shouldn't trust all scientists.
@@RoySATX I don't trust individual scientists, so much as I trust the process of science itself. When it works - and it usually does - it systematically eliminates wrong ideas, homing in on ever better ones. tavi.
So true 👍
@@RoySATX ¨...I could list dozens of such "conspiracy theories" recently that have been fact.¨
I will settle for just a dozen.
@@danrose5104 Well, for starters let's go with UFOs shall we? For fifty years people who said they witnessed a UFO where wrongly called conspiracy theorists. Little green men aside, few people can identify every flying object 100% of the time so it stand to reason UFOs exist. I hate to be political, but I didn't start this the Feds did so there's the Hunter Biden Laptop is Russian disinformation conspiracy. No, the laptop is real. The whole Trump/Russia collusion conspiracy. No, the FBI, the media, and Hillary Clinton colluded to invent this hoax. I'm not going to list them all but so much of the information put out about the Corona virus came with the Govt/Media chorus calling anyone who questioned the obviously wrong, stupid, and entirely un-scientific information a conspiracy theorist; Did it come from a lab? Are cloth face masks greater vectors of bacteria than they are effective at preventing viral spread? Was Fauci involved in the funding/creation of the virus? These and more all called conspiracy theories by the media and govt. bureaucrats despite the mountains of evidence and frankly common sense that proves otherwise. The truth is out there, you just have to seek it out for yourself and not believe everything the cabbage says you should believe. Here's the latest conspiracy theory to prove true, was Joe Biden responsible for blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline? Joe told a reporter before the Ukraine war started he would blow it up if Russia attacked Ukraine, but despite that the media and the Biden admin called people conspiracy theorists for asking if he had, in fact, blown up the pipeline. Now, just days ago, the truth comes out that yeah, it was Joe who ordered the destruction of the Nord Stream and the ecological damage it caused, despite the price increases, food shortages, and suffering in Europe. The admin had Navy divers set the explosives prior to the war during military training exercises. Of course, the talking heads and cabbages of the media and govt. aren't talking about this, they as always assume you are too lazy and under their spell to go seek the truth. And for most people they are sadly correct.
This cartoon jumped the shark when it got to the pelican...
Seagull with a radar deflector mind you
5:20 breakdown starts
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The whole video is a breakdown. SMH
The hearing today should be a hoot. Fravor and Grusch are con artists. 😂😂😂😂😂
While I'm quite sure the sighting was a drone or balloon or something like that, the debunking here makes some claims without enough rigor poured around them. The claim requires highly experience pilots making rather unlikely misunderstandings of the distance and movement of objects, without establishing if pilots, especially at that level of skill, make that kind of mistake. Which I suspect is highly rare. If it was this easy to debunk, especially by the Navy who would have many people on staff knowing how to interpret the images and data points, why haven't they?
Frankly, this was probably a classified navy unmanned drone, which both explains it's unlikely maneuvers and the Navy's clear intent to let some UFO hysteria hide a classified operation getting spotted by people on the wrong pay grade, and leaked to the public.
Debunking in this case doesn't require to find the actual truth. It's an illustration that there are a lot of reasonable ways that _could_ explain it without resorting to something extremely unlikely (aliens). Even highly experienced pilots are humans and humans are frequently fooled by their brains. If the brain doesn't know what exactly it is looking at, or it thinks it is looking at something and doesn't question it, anyone is susceptible to seeing something different from what there actually is. Many passenger planes being flown by experienced pilots have crashed because of illusions.
I'll believe that they are aliens when one lands in my front yard. Until then, . . . noise is king.
Okay well done on these. Now could you please explain the Rendalsham forest incident 😉.Also your thoughts on these illusions ? shutting down nuclear missiles in the US,and in The Soviet Union almost launching there missiles. 😳
👍 Well Done for asking the question about Rendlesham incident.one of the most important cases of ufo contact.
Kapustin yar in Russia...yeah thats had ufo visits too.best comment in this section👏
Why doesnt he talk to the pilots. Get some real info.
That emerald shaped one was debunked over 10 years ago. Just the camera aperture.
Who else is waiting for that colab video of Captain Disillusion and Mick West?
I respect that
I would doubt that a trained naval pilot, doing training exercises at sea, does not understand if an object is moving towards him or he is the one going fast against it.
Not saying it was aliens, but definitely unconvinced by the “debunking”
I'm thinking that as well, a bit.
Though on the other hand, consider all the man-hours spent flying/navigating around the globe. I guess just statistically, some fairly dumb mistakes will be made?
I would agree but all the friendly fire that happens during times of war speaks volumes about these so called expert observers.
@@Lucifer11. Friendly fire doesn't happen with fighter pilots lmao
@@Logan_93 yeah I'm sure it doesn't lmao
Yea, not to mention these people literally risk losing their careers by saying they saw UFOs. "Debunking" my ass, from an "expert" that made his money off Tony Hawk for the playstation lol
In today's video: a retired video game developer debunks eye witness testimony from senior US navy fighter pilots by looking at the pixels.
My exact thoughts lol, he also debunks the at the time most advanced radar equipment handled by said professionals. Like by knowing nothing he actually knows more than them..
Sounds like an awful lot of coping... you're children that want the rare earth example to be falsified so badly you would believe delusions over sensible explanations backed up by duplicitous experimentation.
There was a whole fleet of them for weeks and confirmed by ground based radar the video isn’t the only evidence that needs to be considered.
Just say you got butthurt by tech experts debunking your little alien fantacy, it's shorter.
@@reinarforeman6518 so the eye witness reports of the pilots who witnessed the craft fly In between two planes is wrong and you and west are right….stop it or throw out every trail where someone was convicted due to eye witness testimony
What about the end of the Gimbel video that's NOT "debunked" here?? . . The part when the object suddenly makes a very sharp and EXTREMELY fast turn and the object shoots off of the screen to the left. . That was the most compelling and convincing part of all 3 videos and yet they didn't even mention it 🤔🤔🤔
Perhaps because they had absolutely no explanation for this whatsoever - Because I would have made sure to "debunk" that part first before trying to debunk the rest - Simply due to it being the most difficult to explain/debunk.
Mick West has presented reasonable grounded arguments for why there is a terrestrial explanation to this events. If someone wants to disagree that is fine, but you need to present evidence that discounts each sensible explanation. Yet no one has any evidence that discounts this. very simple, show us the video up close of these "UAP"s or show us corresponding telemetry like radar returns tracking the same object across multiple regions, into space, massive heat signatures, corresponding data from multiple agencies, and governments. Its a bit disturbing that this is coming from the same sources and the US Navy, not a good look so far.
I take the words of David Fravor more seriously than anything Mick West would claim Any Day!!! David Fravor was there with the other pilots involved and their recordings,radar all the sophisticated means at their disposal. Mick West wasn't there and can prove nothing that he claimed. Only discrediting those who were involved
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Pilot and eyewitness David Fravor served 24 years in the US military, enlisted marine for 6 years, flew for the navy for 18 years, flew A6's Hornets and Super Hornets, earned every qualification you could get in an airplane. Went through the US Navy Strike Fighter Tactics Instructor program (Top Gun) and at the time of the incident he was the commanding officer of the VFA-41 Black Aces. But sure, he doesn't know a commercial plane, or a weather balloon when he sees one. And he gets confused when circling an object, that it's moving when it's stationary. This is actually embarrassing. Sure, give us your opinion, but to denigrate the pilots in this way, is ridiculous.
Couldn’t agree more
This "he was turning and didn't know it" was well beyond a stretch.
I don't think they mean it as a personal attack. Their way of thinking is just that we know it's possible to misidentify something. We don't know aliens exist. Therefore, misidebtification is always infinitely more likely.
Incredible. Some guy with a blog who used to be a game programmer knows more about these mility weapons/ radar/imaging systems than the actual military. I don't understand how people take this guy's ant more seriously than Alex Jones
Well in some cases, its not like the military isnt aware of the truth. Like in the weather balloon/bird case, they obviously knew what it was, they celebrated because they managed to lock on to a small moving target a few km away, it was impressive. They never claimed it was even a ufo, the public did that.
Hast du etwas Zeit für mich?
Dann singe ich ein Lied für dich
Von neunundneunzig Luftballons
Auf ihrem Weg zum Horizont
Denkst du vielleicht grad an mich?
Dann singe ich ein Lied für dich
Von neunundneunzig Luftballons
Und dass sowas von sowas kommt
Neunundneunzig Luftballons
Auf ihrem Weg zum Horizont
Hielt man für Ufos aus dem All
Darum schickte ein General
′Ne Fliegerstaffel hinterher
Alarm zu geben, wenn's so wär′
Dabei war'n dort am Horizont
Nur neunundneunzig Luftballons
Neunundneunzig Düsenflieger
Jeder war ein großer Krieger
Hielten sich für Captain Kirk
Das gab ein großes Feuerwerk
Die Nachbarn haben nichts gerafft
Und fühlten sich gleich angemacht
Dabei schoss man am Horizont
Auf neunundneunzig Luftballons
Neunundneunzig Kriegsminister
Streichholz und Benzinkanister
Hielten sich für schlaue Leute
Witterten schon fette Beute
Riefen: "Krieg!" und wollten Macht
Mann, wer hätte das gedacht
Dass es einmal so weit kommt
Wegen neunundneunzig Luftballons
Wegen neunundneunzig Luftballons
Neunundneunzig Luftballons
- Nena
A trained military pilot mistakes a plane for a UFO. LOL. If it was a plane the military jet would catch it in a few minutes.
These stupid shill debunkers always come up with the most bizarre ilogical explanations. "It was the planet Jupiter", yeah, jet pilots with their poor eyesight confusing a star for a UFO, ha.
I love reading comments to see people attacking Mick instead of criticising his work to disprove his argument. Do that math yourself, prove he's wrong if you're so sure.
A little late to the party on this one, but my take is something a bit different: I am fairly sure "they" know exactly what these videos were. I think it's much more about gaging the public's response to such phenomena on a mass scale.
My reasoning is as follows: Had an alien craft landed in southern Spain 6,500 years ago, my ancestors would have thought the beings who stepped out of that craft were gods. Were the same thing occur right now outside of my house near New York City, not one person anywhere near me would think "Oh wow, a god!" They'd immediately wonder what planet they are from.
I'm not saying contact has been made before. I'm just stating that at the very least, the powers that be might just think it's an eventuality, and the fact that the overwhelming response was that of wonder and intrigue is hopeful.
You are right. They are just preparing audience. We will see soon or later.
wow....you are one of those people who love to expel a lot of words from your mouth but only imply things or gently suggest things....be CLEAR man! don't be afraid to just come out and say that you think :"they" KNOW IT IS ALIENS! AND YOU THINK IT IS ALIENS!......be clear man!!!!
If contact was made or any evidence of alien life was discovered it'd be discovered by one of the hundreds of scientific projects looking for it and so it'd be released to the public the moment the paper was published without any involvement from any government. The funny thing is said projects have actually been making a ton of progress in this area yet it recieves basically no attention from the public because no one is interested in the actual search for life, just in confirming their biases. JWST recently found methane in the atmosphere of an exoplanet, it isn't a sign of life in this case because the exoplanet has an average temperature of 500 C but it shows that it can be done.
Former Boeing... we were embarrassed to investigate these 'sightings'... so many are pilot error when they crank up the gain on their radar and flir... Navy conducts military exercises in International Waters... Russia and China also has jets in the sky watching. Seen too many false images of hot engine exhaust from planes miles ahead.
Yep.....dudes that can land on a pitching, rolling, and heaving carrier in a rainstorm can't tell a 747 is actually further away than they realize...by dozens of miles
All Pentagon personnel and the Air Force must resign because they failed to identify a Boeing and a balloon. All this power is no longer needed, this gentleman alone can do radar work and detect unknown objects، 😁
First Video:
Need to get a better understanding of what some of the HUD indicators mean. This could possibily be a paralax illusion if the aircraft is flying at a very high altitude. The high amount of paralax can only be caused if the object being tracked is at a high altitude too. This would make the background seem to move faster relative to the object. Could be a weather baloon.
Second Video:
Looks like an exauslt ploom from another aircraft flying up ahead. The rotation could be an artifate of how the the object is being tracked. There seems be a large amount of contrast around the silhouette the aircraft. I don't know much about how the image is finally displayed, but my guess would be there is something being done to make the image more clear/sharper.
Interesting none the less.
The One a lot of this has been answered by the pilot themselves. Look up Cmdr David Favor but pls avoid the conspiracy channels.
starfox0u0 No it hasn’t. Fravor wasn’t in any of these aircraft. 1 video was from 2004 and the same area Fravor operated, but it wasn’t his aircraft or even airborne at the same time as him. The other 2 vids are from 2015.
Please stop getting this wrong. There is no video of the Fravor incident.
@@starfox0u0 I don't think he was a pilot in any of these videos. I did watch his interview on Joe Rogan. Intresting stuff.
The gimbel explanation told you everything you need to know about this person's level of perceptive intelligence and visual deduction.
I like how elegantly he showed what the numbers on the screen meant, similar videos that have been debunked before and yet people on the comments are thick enough to believe in their own theories with no rhyme or reason.
I just wish you got a pilot who knows how to view these videos, instead of some guy who has made money off debunking videos.
The lack of scientific process here makes me nauseous!!!
Navy pilots are not trained in the scientific process so this probably shouldn’t be so surprising
@@CoolWorldsLab good point
Bring me a live alien or an alien corpse and I will believe it.
12:10 that effect is similar, like when you observe a star at night in the sky. do this: walk around and look for a star which looks like close to the top of a tree (or a building) around which is about 20 meters in front of you. (can be 15 or 50 meters as well.) this is very easy. if you have found a position/standing point, where a star is right at the top of the tree, now stand still and observe that star. now start walking slowly to the right or left. the star *seems* to move around quickly, in any direction you want.
Joe Rogan dismantled Mick West. It was glorious.
Brady DeAngelo I haven't seen that one. Where is it?
Hahahahaha goodc bmmm?
Thanks for the discussion y’all. It’s definitely important to consider (and even give weight to) the “boring” explanations. I just wonder: why does the Navy still classify the aircraft in these videos as “unidentified?” To the point about, “Why would aliens come here just for random ocean joyrides?” Well, imagine there are Martians and they’re baffled by all the rovers we’ve sent there. But they’re thinking, “Why would anyone want to come to Mars just to play with some rocks?” =)
Hehe good point ;)
@@Tisrok yeah....we're not doing that. Musk is a cool guy doing great things but we're not going to trust civilians with nuclear weapons. And it's illegal under the Outer Space Treaty to have nuclear weapons in space.
"why does the Navy still classify the aircraft in these videos as “unidentified?"
Because they don't know exactly what they are. Not because they think they're aliens. Most likely Russian or Chinese drones.
--STS3(SS) Brian (served 1999 to 2003 on submarines.)
The Navy probably doesn't care because if "high-up" people have looked at this and conclude its nothing to waste time over; it's nothing to waste time over and for them that includes even engaging in conversation about it.
Unidentified means exactly that. Unidentified. There's a tree outside my house and I'm not sure what species it is, so it's unidentified. It's not a f.king alien lol
Interesting insight into approaching the technical aspects of whats in the videos, however go fast is not a pelican or a ballon. THe pilots involved have a combined thousands of hours of flight time and would have seen anomalies like this before if it were something uneventful and easily explained.
I believe being objective with these situations is important and needs to be considered. However, when doing that please take into account ALL aspects of the event. Not just aspects that support your theory. The USS Princeton's radar system should be analyzed and considered. After all, that is why Captian Fravor was sent to that location. Call me foolish and/or misinformed, but wouldn't the navy's most advanced radar system be able to detect the difference between a balloon or some other type of craft? That's just an example. ALL aspects of this event NEED to be considered. The assumption here is that the United States Navy consist of a bunch of obtuse children who can't tell the difference between balloons, distant jets, and birds. If that's the case... we're in far greater danger from our earthly adversaries than "aliens."
RIGHT?! That's what annoyed the hell out of me about this guy! He's basically saying that these pilots lack any visual/observational interpretive skills.
Maybe the Navy should require all their pilots to have a blog page and a TH-cam channel, then they can be almost as equipped as a Cessna pilot?!