Jim Cornette on WWE Contracts
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 เม.ย. 2020
- From Episode 136 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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Ventura try to solve this years ago by having a union but Hogan ratted him out to Vince.
There is no way in hell I would ever put Hogan on a Mount Rushmore of wrestling because of these actions. Any Superstar can be greedy and selfish, but a real Superstar looked out for others as they were also rising to the top because they knew their momentum wouldn't be stopped.
Its a cutthroat business, brother.
Ventura still gets paid by Vince, he really doesn’t seem too worried about “the boys” anymore now that he’s getting his
Hearsay from Ventura. Poor planning and organization by Ventura.
You are correct.
The only reason they really cared about keeping Gallows & Anderson was to keep AJ Styles around. Bet money. After they secured AJ, they weren't needed anymore.
AJ plans on retireing in 2024-25 to be with his family. Hes not going anywhere. Gallows and Anderson are just not needed to keep AJ in the main event he can do it by him self. They just didnt want the competioton to have them.
@@LazarSoljaga I've heard that plan to retire crap forever never turns out to be the case
@@LazarSoljaga he is saying they re-signed his friends cause AJ.s contract was up and they want to keep him(maybe afraid he would jump to AEW perhaps?). it makes sense cause they released them shortly after
I doubt this to be the case. Aj went there two reasons 1) he always wanted to 2) he padded that retirement fund
Did Melzter Magoo tell you that twat
They’re to one sided. WWE can pull the plug on you at any time and you can’t quit when you’re being treated bad. But you don’t get any benefits because you’re a “independent contractor”
Everyone BUT the Wrestlers get benefits
Andre Ricardo Bryant not if you’re under contract a lot of red tape bullshit
They could not do anything to Punk because they cannot keep you from retiring. Just like in the NFL, if you never attempt to play for another league and you just don't want to play football at all any more, then they have no reason to bother you.
I've heard countless stories of guys asking Vince to be released from their contract and him letting them go.
That's just like an NFL contract ..
They can do the same thing.
No loyalty in sports.
re: Bret's contract
He signed for 20 years (!) and they backed out of it less than a year later
WCW at the time was offering him far more money, too
It's almost too bad that Vince isn't still on tv to soak up all this heat. There hasn't been a heel this hated in wrestling since...well, Vince McMahon lol 😂 🤷♂️
see, if Vince was smart (& younger,) he would do that...
but, when Bret got screwed, Vince really thought the fans would cheer him as a hero.
"It's just business, pal!"
(but, honestly, Vince IS really broken over releasing everyone...)
This comment is pure gold 🤣🤣🤣
He comes out sometimes and marks pop for him
Lmao.
@@fatcountry5606 I remember when he dominated a match against John Cena and I was baffled why he wouldn't pin him and win the title and his arrogance would cost him. (Before I found out it was scripted lol!)
Independent contractor but u must only work for us and we have complete control over everything while working about 300 days a year
On one of these episodes, Jim read from a list of things an independent contractor is supposed to be allowed to do and it was hilarious how many things the WWE wrestlers can't do: set your own hours, etc etc
Which is ridiculous how are you a independent contractor if you're not allowed to leave, set your own hours, negotiate a fair wage, etc? I've heard rumors that they aren't really allowed to negotiate much when it comes to their contract outside of money. The number of days they have to work per year, the 90 day no compete clause, and the clause that allows them to add time on for injuries are non negotiable.
@glenn hill For the longest that was harsh truth but now not so much. There's no good reason to sign a contract like that when there are plenty of options .
@@richardtheconquerer for a minimum of a hundred grand a year. I suspend my sympathy
Just like UFC, without the insane schedule.
Vince does something despicable:
Why are people shocked in 2020?🤷
This ☝
Lmao seriously..
Disney let go alot of people wheres the outrage?
@@chadk890 Disney cutting employees off doesn't mean you can't watch Bambi
Shame he ain't out on TV to milk it like he always did.
one of our unions was trying to get Walmart employees of a new store here to join the union.
Walmart just said "oh, the store's not making enough money"
& they closed their new store...
Where was this?
@@patrickmorrissey3084 Pretty sure it happened several times but I can confirm this happened in Quebec, Canada.
That's generally what happens. Unions in 2020 are not like steelworker unions in 1920. It has become politicized beyond their usefulness. No one is forcing anyone to work anywhere... Don't like your job? Leave and get a different job. Don't like how the WWE runs their business? Start your own unionized promotion. Then people like me will laugh and point as it crashes and burns in about 6 months because most who bitch about this type of thing know jack shit about what they're bitching about.
YQu're being TrQlled exactly. Unions have become completely politicized.
In the thumbnail it almost looks like Vince is farting in Jim's face.
James Sparks can’t unsee it now
I love these thumbnails 😂😂
I don't care it's only been an hour, you need more likes.
That wouldn't exactly be unprecedented as Vince has been known to shit his pants before! :D
MR. MCMAHON & HIS ASS!
I am a simple man. I see a 20 minute Cornette video I click and like.
You aren't alone 😂
Alamyst2011 I see any length Cornette vid and I hit like. He’s great to listen to.
@@nysportsfan2576 Same. The guy takes me back to being a youngster watching SMW, WCW and even WWF. He knows his stuff, tells it well and busts balls so good.
Seth Rollins: "Now, come on Jim, you know you can't blame Vince. He's really suffering and he's doing the best he can and this is just unfortunate for everyone"
If only Hogan didn't snitch on Jesse Ventura to Vince all those years ago..
imagine if wrestling had a union all these years
Hogan is just a greedy prick
@@kael2450 maybe, but he made wrestling popular.
@@Gravydog316 still doesnt excuse him for being a POS
@@kael2450 & he was just doing what the writers wanted
I feel like I say it every time but, shout out to the man/woman who makes the illustrations! They just get better and better! 😂
Shout out to Travis Heckle
Tobias Farragut thank you! x
@xMrsJericho 👍
They probably just didn't want Gallows and Anderson to leave and go to AEW when it was still on the upswing. At least they got a few months of those 750k a year contracts. They'll be lucky if that can get 2500/night on the indy scene whenever indy shows get back up again but they should get decent NJPW deals.
When are you going to AEW yourself ? hehe. Btw great match with Al snow. Loved it.
“Hopefully someone can look that up on the TH-cam.” I dunno why I laughed so hard at this. 🤣
Looks like wrestlers need signing bonuses w/the heavy amount of money up front.
ericlogos but look at those names. A guy like Heath Slater ain’t getting that.
So any person off the street ,without proven drawing power , should get a signing bonus?
@@davidnelson4347 Yes if they have been in company for 3-4 years and the company is heavily recruiting them to stay.
They need a union it makes no sense to work 300 days out of the year with no real insurance that you'll be employed beyond the next day.
Reeal Evans i disagree. It was stupid for what wwe signing all this talent to hoard them and you see it bit them right in the behind. Also if you’ve been in company for e-4 years and you ain’t making me money and I’m paying you a lot of money than I’m an idiot.
This is why guys like Brock get all their money from Vince. Don't expect loyalty so get yours before the well dries up.
Damn right. I’ve never blamed Brock or anyone else for getting their’s. You bet your ass Vince gets his
sad to see wwe being seemingly run into the ground by vince whose actions dictate that hes goddamn senile by now
Vince is a ruthless business man. He cares about himself and nobody else.
Remember, before him nobody was ruthless enough to try a territory takeover. He was. He may have bought Snukals way out of a murder charge too. He didn't care about Nancy or her family.
He cares about himself and his bank account.
What's interesting is that they have less than 10% of the viewership they used to have, but they're still running business as usual. Clearly this is not a wrestling company, it's a product company and the soulless appeal of it shows.
It's a really sick thing with major league sports too. Even with viewership and live attendance down before the pandemic, somehow the brand is worth more and more for potential revenue and advertising.
@v b It's really not that simple. People look back fondly on the Attitude Era, but they're only remembering the main stories. The Austin vs Mcmahon feud, Rock vs Austin, various programs involving Mick Foley, the concept of DX, the good parts of the Attitude Era were phenomenal, but the Attitude Era was a mess that, despite nostalgia, really shouldn't come back. Everything outside the main stories was a schizophrenic, bipolar nightmare where nothing made sense. The WWE just needs to let their wrestlers wrestle, they need to stop scripting promos, fire their entire writing staff, aside from the actual wrestlers on the writing staff and to accomplish this, someone needs to take out Kevin Dunn and brainwash Vince into handing the keys to the castle over to Triple H. Once *allllll* that is done, then we'll see an improved WWE. Adding more run ins and brawls when WWE already has too many would just muddy already swamp like waters.
another masterpiece by Travis !! Jim is as informative as ever . luv u guys !!!!
i guess southpaw regional wrestling is cancelled ...
F, I actually liked that mini show lol
WWE hasn't been the same since
"The Best In the World" left
Shane McMahon 🏆
😂😭😂😭
I'd guess WWEs logic would be they WWE didn't want people seeing talent walking out to go be happier elsewhere and this was a oppurtunity to fire all those who wanted to leave. That way WWE controlled the narrative. They are now WWE rejects rather than seen as those who wanted to jump off the sinking ship.
How love how Vince ALWAYS has the exact same expression on his face in the artwork.
My only takeaway, is that viking raiders went defeated by Good Brothers.
As they say in the music business, "Don't get hoed by the record label." Even though I'm not a fan of AEW, I do hope that the wrestlers actually take the time to read their contacts instead of just looking at the bonus.
Love the artwork!
Drake maverick is better known as Rockstar Spud. He'll be fine. If I owned a promotion Id sign him in a heartbeat
thats true
I can think of 6 companies that'll happily take Maverick and WILL utilize him well.
He would make a great manager. WWE ruined their chance to make another Bobby Heenan with Drave Maverick.
@@TheKestevon Because he's NOT The Brain
@@bloodangel13 how was he not utilized well? Hes 5 foot 4, he was an entertainment wrestler and a GM. Theres not much more you can do with a guy that small. He did well.
Can you imagine how bad the revival versus anderson and gallows, would make the young bucks look
I never get tired of these great thumbnails. Kudos to whomever is doing these; great work.
Awesome Shoot Today Jim!!🙌🐐🐐
wwe now is just like wcw 20 years ago(great talent being treated like trash by bullshit promoters)
Vince going to heaven = NO CHANCE IN HELL !.
4:22 I have just made this my alert for when I get msgs 😂
haha i'm going to make it my ringtone 😂😂
WHATTHEFUCKKKWHATTHEFUCKKK 😂
Vince just saving money for XFL 2022
I honestly believe it, the XFL was a success kind of, just this virus happen at the wrong time for a new league to start.
Brian, did you read any of the bankruptcy papers?
They were fucked without corona.
Nah, Nate they were done. And I loved the league. It was hemorrhaging money.
Those released wrestlers were probably overpaid since WWE was hoarding talents from AEW and NJPW.
Hope the wrestlers didn’t ran their bills and debts too high.
or they weren't being used
Vince MacMahon is a lot like the coach for the Patriots Bill Belichick lol his slogan should be "I do what's best for the business"
@Sky Blaze21 tell me about it....just like Belichick, he let's the greatest QB of all time walk cause hes too "old"....I "Was" a Patriots fan, but now Brady went to Tampa Bay and I'm going with him lol actually ordered my Tampa Bay Brady jersey its on the way in the mail 😂
@Sky Blaze21 Belichick never won before Brady, he had 4 seasons and made the playoffs once....we can go back and forth all day on this subject lol just know I have my reasons for switching, its not just petty as Brady leaving....goes deeper than that for me...Brady leaving was just the straw that broke the camels back.....my problems with Belichick go all the way back to the first spygate
@Sky Blaze21 well that's yet to be determined if Bill is gonna win more championships....we gonna find out this year who needed who so buckle up gonna be a wild one lol I know one thing Brady is gonna light it up with Gronk Mike Evans and Godwin watch
@Sky Blaze21 same to you homie, good luck with your Skins, I hope Haskins has a great year.
LOL! Without the thumbnail... I wouldn't have stopped here. I wanted to hear this happen.
Gallows and Anderson need to go back to Japan and bring Prince Devitt along with them to add some juice back to the Bullet Club again
Bullet Club is done bro, let it go
@@glennross85 I was gonna say... They're still a thing? fuck, it's like they've been running longer than the actual nWo.
Nah they should do what Mox did work Japan and AEW ,they will be great with the Revival and put some steel into the AEW tag division,if there are 4 guys who could make WWE regret letting them go they are it.
AEW
It show you that wrestler need a union.. in WWE
No one in WWE will that
you think WWE is bland now? Wait till they unionize...it will kill wrestling
Glenn Ross, wrestling has been dead for years.
@@terrybrooks597 pretty much yeah....a union will be he final nail in the coffin, unions represent sameness, uniformity, it wont work with something like wrestling where individuality is everything
btw: I like your books
I wish they were my books, I was only named after the author.
It is Brian's DUTY to get Jim to watch No Way Jose's entrance to the ring. lol
Live facecam. 😂
@@Cairo98_ and for aew
Seriously...the Wrestling Talent that Vince hired from other companies that already have their copyrighted names and gimmicks were/are the lucky ones because they can use them elsewhere. The guys plucked up by Vince and HHH who are given everything by NXT/WWE arescrewed basically.
"He looks like a turtle."
- Jim Cornette, on "The Miz"
The Miz >> MJF
@@TheKestevon fax
Nobody has the balls to unionize.
...because most people who bitch about wanting to "unionize" don't even know what the fuck they're doing. Nor do they seem to understand business or supply and demand factors.
I never understood why they called him No Way Jose til this exact moment.
because he is always in denial
Wrestling is like Hollywood. All the actors are the same; no characters or stand outs.
Cornette gave the insiders knowledge to what ive been saying about wwe's recent sudden releases. They were all released because there aren't many places to hire them. This was a very cold blooded business move on his part & has made it harder for me to enjoy the wwe.
This all what CM Punk and Moxley were dealing with on their ways out
I remember wwe wanted the young bucks in the contract said you can work here for 90 days after that if you dont like working here you can leave
I worked full time for a company that told me there was a 60 day probationary period of getting a 1099 before being put on the books. I worked there for 10 months. Showed up at same office every day at same time. Did the same in house work. Yet, they didn't put me on the books. Even after I asked them to. Turns out after I left that company, the owner was pinched by the IRS for other infractions and had to close down the office I worked in. IRS not going after Vince McMahon after all these years seems like an inside job ($$$ payouts to irs officials) is taking place.
Ive always said Vince has some of the best attorneys in the WORLD. Throw in the fact that Linda used to be a paralegal and taught him about licensing and Connecticut/NY being one of, if not THE largest money hub in the world there are definitely pay offs/walking fine lines of legality going on
you should've squealed to the IRS,
you might've got a reward
Jim Cornette is my spirit animal.
hey! that's my line!
Best podcast around
Trump promised he'd be president, AND he payed for it.
Still love Cornie tho, even if we disagree politically.
Yeah I am kind of surprised Jim is on the SJW Feminist Transgender Trump hate train. He is smarter than that, but programming is programming. I guess its not all that surprising since the elite got everyone hating Trump.
Magick..... is Cornette really? I thought he was a southern conservative with common sense.
@@dennisjr77 Is he really what? He hates Trump like most people. Most people just like and hate what most other people do. Followers. I joke about the SJW, feminist, TS thing because every single one of those people hate Trump. People just don't have a clue what is going on on this planet.
Magick..... most people in California and media hate him because they’re sheep.... the rest of us.... not so much.
@@dennisjr77 Well, its the media that people listen to. That is how you control what people think. It snowballs from there.
These thumbnails are always great.
A guaranteed contract isn't really a guaranteed contract. It's like the nfl. You sign a contract with a team. They can still cut you at any time. But at least they do guarantee a certain amount of money that they have to pay no matter what happens.
You're right, a guaranteed contract isn't 100% guaranteed just because of the name. If you want your money to be 100% guaranteed, it needs to be painstakingly written in as such, and at that point your employer probably won't sign it.
In the AFL (Australian football league) a contract is just used for players and teams to barter better deals now. Depending how long they have been in the league, an out of contract player can leave the club they are playing for by either going to the draft, or leave via free agency. If a player is currently contracted, an opposition team has to negotiate a trade, so clubs and players agree to "contract extensions" to get better deals from opposition teams. Contracts are basically barter items now days.
WWE contracts benefit the WWE, not the wrestler signing it. If i were either of those two and I was that unhappy, I wouldn't have signed anything without guaranteed money.
Basically like in most of the Trucking Industry with trucker owners being "leased" to a Trucking company or "lease purchase" gimmicks (buying the truck from the company)
You supposed to be an Independent Contractor and most say "No Force Dispatch" but that's bs for the most part...
17:10 Hahaha indentured servitude. That was great.
Everyone at WWE has health insurance except the people who actually put their bodies on the line night in and night out (The wrestlers) its purposterous.
He had four members of the bullet Club International ready-made stable, a great tag team and Gallows and Anderson let me let him go... WTF they were never used right.
They were some of the few that were willing to work in this pandemic and he let's them to go.
@Joshua Quinn lol the stuff in njpw is way better then the stuff in wwe. Now i think your out of touch...
Joshua Quinn Well, aren’t you adorable. Everything that’s not WWE = indies in your mind, probably because you have the attention span of a fly. No, NJPW is the second largest promotion in the world with plenty of fans all around the world. Please educate yourself first
@Joshua Quinn The article you posted is from 2015, NJPW has grown significantly by now and has a large following all around the world. They sold out MSG and would have most likely done so again this year if it weren't for this pandemic. Also the Wikipedia article you quote specifically states that NJPW is NOT an indie promotion. They sell out Tokyo Dome every year, they went to England, MSG as I mentioned, and so on. So not an indie promotion by any standard.
However I do apologise for the attention span comment, I'm a bit of a hothead
@Joshua Quinn marks... Using that word in a derogatory way makes you sound pretty stupid tbh. What difference does it make anyway who buys the tickets? It's an arena full of WRESTLING fans (or marks if you insist) smh.
I'm a mark for good wrestling, because I WANT to enjoy and believe what is happening in the ring.
Joshua Quinn are you Jims pet parrot, minus the brain? Because you just mindlessly repeat snippets of things Jim Cornette says. I like wrestling, as in believable, sport-based wrestling. NJPW is the most sport-based promotion you‘ll find. No soap opera shit, no love triangles, just hard hitting wrestling. And yes there is flippy stuff too, but I don’t mind it as much as Jim does, as long as it’s not goofy. You cleary never watched a single NJPW match, if that’s all you reduce it down to. I‘m under a Jim Cornette video because he is the only „wrestling journalist“ or whatever that I can still take seriously, because I agree with about 90% of what he says.
Saying nobody fucks, when the nobody fucks sell out MSG is just idiotic. Just because YOU think they suck and their fans are idiots doesn’t mean shit, because you are a mark yourself just for other promotions (SD/RAW?)
Also why is everyone so fucking militant about the promotions they enjoy, I like NXT, NJPW, AEW, NWA in this order and for different reasons. If you only watch RAW/SD (god knows how you do it, without cutting yourself) go ahead, have fun, but please let me know why you enjoy it.
Sorry for the rant, thank you fuck you bye
so do they have to pay them for the year even if they release them i know in baseball if you have contract they have to pay the contract
They're independent contractors until challenged in court.
Pretty disgusting that Vince still won’t offer health insurance to his talent unless they’re officially employed and once they’re employed you get in trouble for taking bumps.
I'm sad that Rusev was given the arse,WWE proved that they didn't know how to use him as a talent
Do we know what they got paid out on the contract upon release? Either way seeing people defend WWE is ridiculous.
That’s why Jesse Ventura always had an ace up his sleeve if Vince ever fired him.
Ventura got his health coverage from SAG anyway! (Screen actors guild)
That's something a dark side of wrestling to do if anybody had any old WCW WWF WWE contracts
2:35-
agree
I do genuinely think Vince McMahon wants to destroy wrestling before he dies, no one is this delusional and out of touch
but this is what he's always done.
this is how he is.
He already has. He killed wrestling 13 years ago.
This artist rendition tho! 🤣😂
Jim has a severe case of TDS, hopefully his family steps in and gets him help.
A severe case of TDS is called an education. Fucking get one, Kevin.
@@joshcouch2767 Wow. What a tolerant accepting liberal.
More like a "go fuck yourself" progressive with no time for conservatives and conservative thinking. Conservastism impedes human evolution and needs to die.
Liberalism is just a side gig progressives use to fuck college chicks.
What's TDS?
@@joshcouch2767 liberalism is killing free speech and thought. Oh you said something that someone find offensive? Well you better get canceled. That’s what liberalism is today. Both conservatives and liberals suck. As far as education, unless you get a doctorate, law, or finance degree, you are wasting money.
how is a 90 day out clause in a 3 year contract legal, for the fact that (like Jim said), it essentially makes it a 90 day contract
Bill Demott's old wrestling name was Hugh Morrus? That's funny...
They're just tossing money at guys to hang out at home, house shows and catering or to be jobbers then let em go when value is totally gone. If you want easy money quick, there ya go. Yikes. WWE ain't the end all be all now but the fact this is how they operate must be deeply saddening for those working their way up with dreams of getting there. Wonder if it'll be any different when someone else takes over as I've lost interest in watching live, maybe I'd come back.
They signed them to those ridiculous contract last summer in order to entice AJ Styles to stay.
This is why you establish yourself in the Independent scene and separate your gimmick. Then when the time comes or if the time comes then go to WWE and start your career as a new gimmick and make the best of it or at least what they let you make the best of it.
@13:15 "I've never been any employee of anything.." and having tax deductions, insurance etc like the rest of us. What a run Jimmy has had, 57 yrs old, never worked a job outside of wrestling...
Wait he liked Gallows and Anderson back then?
Also does he mean Dangerous Danny Davis when he refers to the guy running OVW?
The TH-cam gets me every time
Aren't all the fired WWE wrestlers receiving a three month severance and other employees are giving a severance and unemployment. When house shows start, a lot of the road employees will be hired back? Just asking! Keep up the good work!
The contracts are structured to protect wwe not the talent
Thanks
Jim showing some ankle in that thumbnail
take a cold shower, pal!
A bit surreal hear Jim talking about not honoring contracts considering the dozens of stories I hear of Jim wanting to quit or out right quitting when working with Russo.
If they are not employees, does Titan Sports avoid paying payroll taxes?
It must always bug Jim Cornette that he somewhat got along with Vince back in the 90's. Cos like Paul Heyman both Jim and Paul started up their own promotions in the 90's Jim with Smokey Mountain Wrestling! And Paul with ECW (formerly; 'Eastern Championship Wrestling'). He had little time to truly run Smokey Mountain while working in the WWF as a manager, yet Paul struggling running ECW but it made its lasting impact in the wrestling world with its extreme approach. Smokey Mountain by default wasn't around long enough for it to also have its time in the sun and also have an impact as ECW did with its own unique flavor. Jim sadly stretched himself out by doing too much it sounds like, if only he concentrated on running Smokey Mountain Wrestling rather than manage things might've turned out very differently i reckon. He would've been in that position of marketing; "the independent contractors" Vs Employees? moreso than anybody else through Smokey Mountain with his own vision behind it all.
Corny & Vince get along... except Corny's a Democrat & Vince is a Republican
@@Gravydog316 Seems Corny has some sense.
AEW wrestlers still have to clear independent bookings with the AEW office.
They fucking released Mike Chioda of all people. How.
If this happened two months ago would of been budget cuts like every year at some point. Poor timing but I think they have a home and food and probably some fair amount money in the bank still even if wasted alot
I've always wondered how much money VINCE owes
TIME WARNER!
That was Obama's entire presidency.
Still got the TDS.
Hey Pal. You're Fired
Didn't Roddy Piper get massive heat for even mentioning union, back in the day?
"Sounds like a '70's gay porn star." - Jim, you are a god. 'Nuf said.
Another thing that really sucks about the whole situation with the releases is, even though the WWE are saying "We Don't Want You Working For Us Anymore" and then firing these guys and gals. Only to tell them afterward, "Oh Yeah, And By The Way, You Still Have To Follow Our 90 Day Non-Compete Clause So You Can't Work Anywhere Else For 3 Months Either, Pal"!!!
Cornette will have to vote for Biden.
Even if he doesn’t like you, if you’re one of the boys... Jim fights for you
What do you think is going to come first, unionized performance, or the death of the world lack of "wrestling" entertainment
What is this country where talent is strangled by contracts, but this company can break them whenever?
I feel bad but Gallows and Anderson made 288k in 4 months. They will be fine and they will have a job somewhere. No way will probably need to get a 9-5
they are going to Japan soon, they said