As someone who knows absolutely nothing about genetics of any kind, your help is very, very, very much appreciated! Thank you for making these informative videos for dinguses like me! Lol- :,)
The deuteragonist in the book I'm writing is albino, and so are a few others, and this was really helpful! None of the characters in the story are completely white, and to be honest, do not follow genetics very well. They all have at least some faint patterning, one of them does only for artistic purposes, one of them does because I didn't know how it worked before and I don't wanna change her appearance that drastically, and the other two don't have to be complete albinos for the story-- You've taught me that deafness isn't tied to the albinism :D So one of them doesn't have to be albino and the other I only called albino because albinism is recessive so both parents need albinism, even if they don't show it, but she can be Aa (I use AA, Aa, and aa for albinism) 5:39 meow
my cat is a black tabby with white socks on his hind legs. a part of his "original" coloring hits a part of his beans, making them half black half pink! it's so interesting to see! his forepaws have black beans because there's no white there
been binging the series and the section on blue eyed white dominant reminded me of my girl was actually able to hear! she passed earlier this year, but it was always a fun tidbit to bring up (and still us). loved and still love my old lady lola
Ooh so excited for the fur lengths and textures!!! Do you also plan to do stuff like ear folding/curling, tails being born as bobs or mot there at all, etc? Love this series either way ❤️❤️
8:39 Given that both of her boy kittens are different colors, I'm guessing Duchess is genetically tortoiseshell, since ginger is sex linked, and the orange kitten is a boy, so he only got that one O allele from Duchess, but the other boy is black, so Duchess would be tortoiseshell underneath, otherwise both boys would be orange
I’m on vacation in an apartment in the Canary Islands. I’ve noticed a lot of cats around but they all seem to have one thing in common, they have short tails. So I have a question, is tail length and other stuff like ear size and height gradient traits or something else??
Fun observation! In general, bodily proportions are gradient traits. However, while tail length can be affected to a degree by polygenes, if you see a cat with a Stubby Tail (as opposed to just A Little Bit Shorter Than This Other Cat's), there's 2 specific genes that could be responsible: Manx or Japanese Bobtail. I'll cover both of these in a future video ;)
I've asked this question on Tumblr too, but you check yt comments more frequently so I'm asking here too. S/W is 50%, what's exactly 50%? Or too close to 50% to tell?
I'm not Deaf so I can't speak definitely and you should ask someone who is Deaf about it, but from what I've read from Deaf warriors fans, having the ONLY deaf character in your entire book series exist JUST to be killed off in a way that happens specifically bc he can't hear as a cheap plot device to get a queen to move to the elder's den is...pretty offensive!
I have a quick, somewhat related, question. Is there any research on how spotted leathers happen? Is it only in cats that are two different colors, like bicolor cats and/or tortoiseshells? Or could a whiteless tabby or solid cat (and maybe a full white cat) have spotted leathers too?
Spotted leathers are the same mechanisms as spotted fur. So if the area's depigmented, that applies to skin and fur. If the area's eu/pheomelanin, that applies to skin and fur
do you think white spotting could make a color point looking cat? i ask because i have a seal color point cat character with yellow eyes and i want to try to make her genetically work without either pulling out the "it's a mutation" shield or just chucking realistic cat genetics out the window I'm already planning to throw out part of warrior cats setting by making the cats more like the felynx/melynx of monster hunter or the ghibli film The Cat Returns
I suggest watching my Albino & Colorpoints video! I can't say it's /impossible/ to get point-esque pattern from white but it's exceedingly unlikely, I've never seen or heard of that happening. If you want a seal point with yellow eyes, I recommend just going with a very hot Burmese lol. You don't need to worry about the "it's a sudden mutation" problem bc it's recessive to fullcolor anyway; it'd be MUCH less likely for some kind of bizarre, unknown white spotting pattern to perfectly mimic point than it would be to just have Burmese skip a few generations tbh. The former sounds a LOT more like "sudden mutation" than the latter.
@@littlehungrywarriorWouldn't a mink be closer in color to a Siamese but have the same yellow eyes as a Burmese? Edit: was watching through all the other videos... it has exclusively green eyes. Dammit.
@@SpringStarFangirl the green eyes of a mink are the result of a small amount of yellow pigment over a blue backdrop. regardless of the explanation, if you look at minks, they have green eyes
I notice a lot if cats with white paws but you mentioned G being mostly breed specific so is it still possible for cats to have those white paws with S, juts that theyre guaranteed to have it with G?
@@littlehungrywarrior cool ty!! Thabks to you Im having fun figuring out the genetics for my cats (and somehow already stuck to genetics pretty well with all my kits even before knowing all this!)
@@crazy4schleich852 of course! All cats have all loci. no cat doesn't have a locus just because it doesn't express. missing the black locus would mean missing a significant chunk of a chromosome, the cat would probably die before even developing into a kitten (or would be stillborn w/deformities).
No clue if this is gonna be seen, but if I wanna have two parents who aren't white dominant have a white dominant son, how would I go about that? I don't really care if he is truly white dominant just that he looks like it TwT
If the parents have low white, it's possible for S/S homozygosity to produce a fully-white kitten, though they'd likely be born w/van spots that would go away with age alt: just make them albino instead of white dominant lol, it's recessive
@@littlehungrywarrior Was hoping to avoid going albino because the character is canonically stated to be dominant white (Idk if you've watch Nyoko_Art's Galaxyclan Clan Gen series, but if you have then it is Ottertail) but considering only one of his parents doesn't have any white I'm just gonna go albino cause you have a point there xD
@@littlehungrywarrior Sorry to bother you again btw but I'm not really sure if what I have in my notes for white spotting is correct even after rewatching the video? I'm trying to fix it but I ain't 100% everything is right Wd/Wd = Dominant white (Any color eyes; often deaf) Wd/w = Dominant white but carrying no white w/w = No white S/S = White spotting (Any eye color) S/w = White spotting but carrying no spotting s/s = No white spotting
@@Furby_Husband not a bother at all ^^ Mostly correct! one small important change: S/S = High white spotting (any eye color) S/w = Low white spotting S/S cats are >50% white, S/W cats are
Yep! In every mammal that I'm aware of, blue is underlying structural color beneath non-blue pigmentation. I don't think that there's such a thing as blue pigment
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I loved the aristocats jumpscare. Now I have to make some hypokits for them!
I'd love to see them!
As someone who knows absolutely nothing about genetics of any kind, your help is very, very, very much appreciated! Thank you for making these informative videos for dinguses like me! Lol- :,)
The deuteragonist in the book I'm writing is albino, and so are a few others, and this was really helpful!
None of the characters in the story are completely white, and to be honest, do not follow genetics very well. They all have at least some faint patterning, one of them does only for artistic purposes, one of them does because I didn't know how it worked before and I don't wanna change her appearance that drastically, and the other two don't have to be complete albinos for the story-- You've taught me that deafness isn't tied to the albinism :D
So one of them doesn't have to be albino and the other I only called albino because albinism is recessive so both parents need albinism, even if they don't show it, but she can be Aa (I use AA, Aa, and aa for albinism)
5:39 meow
Loved the video !
(When your cat meowed, I thought it was mine but she's sleeping rn so I was so confused for a sec)
LOL
my cat is a black tabby with white socks on his hind legs. a part of his "original" coloring hits a part of his beans, making them half black half pink! it's so interesting to see! his forepaws have black beans because there's no white there
been binging the series and the section on blue eyed white dominant reminded me of my girl was actually able to hear! she passed earlier this year, but it was always a fun tidbit to bring up (and still us). loved and still love my old lady lola
I'm sorry for your loss! ;v; what a lovely lady
Ooh so excited for the fur lengths and textures!!! Do you also plan to do stuff like ear folding/curling, tails being born as bobs or mot there at all, etc? Love this series either way ❤️❤️
Thanks! Yes, I have an episode on other morphology coming up after fur textures, which includes foldies & curled ears + tail types!
My roommates cat is solid white, he had the van pattern just on the very top of his head but it disappeared as he aged
8:39 Given that both of her boy kittens are different colors, I'm guessing Duchess is genetically tortoiseshell, since ginger is sex linked, and the orange kitten is a boy, so he only got that one O allele from Duchess, but the other boy is black, so Duchess would be tortoiseshell underneath, otherwise both boys would be orange
0:59 I had to pause to giggle XD
It seems so silly to me for some reason that kits (aka kittens aka baby cats) have a KIT region.
I have nothing smart to comment today… so just know i am RAVENOUS over these videos
I know a cat with white spotting. Bib and mittens pattern. All of her kittens that inherited the white spotting also had bibs and mittens.
I’m on vacation in an apartment in the Canary Islands. I’ve noticed a lot of cats around but they all seem to have one thing in common, they have short tails. So I have a question, is tail length and other stuff like ear size and height gradient traits or something else??
Fun observation! In general, bodily proportions are gradient traits. However, while tail length can be affected to a degree by polygenes, if you see a cat with a Stubby Tail (as opposed to just A Little Bit Shorter Than This Other Cat's), there's 2 specific genes that could be responsible: Manx or Japanese Bobtail. I'll cover both of these in a future video ;)
Help I can’t stop watching 🤯
I've asked this question on Tumblr too, but you check yt comments more frequently so I'm asking here too. S/W is 50%, what's exactly 50%? Or too close to 50% to tell?
both S/W and S/S can be 50% :3
Alright, i'll bite-
How is Snowkit an offence to the deaf community?
I'm not Deaf so I can't speak definitely and you should ask someone who is Deaf about it, but from what I've read from Deaf warriors fans, having the ONLY deaf character in your entire book series exist JUST to be killed off in a way that happens specifically bc he can't hear as a cheap plot device to get a queen to move to the elder's den is...pretty offensive!
keep thinking your cat in background is mine XD
I have a quick, somewhat related, question. Is there any research on how spotted leathers happen? Is it only in cats that are two different colors, like bicolor cats and/or tortoiseshells? Or could a whiteless tabby or solid cat (and maybe a full white cat) have spotted leathers too?
Spotted leathers are the same mechanisms as spotted fur. So if the area's depigmented, that applies to skin and fur. If the area's eu/pheomelanin, that applies to skin and fur
@@littlehungrywarrior Alright. Thank you. I'll keep that in mind while designing cats.
do you think white spotting could make a color point looking cat? i ask because i have a seal color point cat character with yellow eyes and i want to try to make her genetically work without either pulling out the "it's a mutation" shield or just chucking realistic cat genetics out the window
I'm already planning to throw out part of warrior cats setting by making the cats more like the felynx/melynx of monster hunter or the ghibli film The Cat Returns
I suggest watching my Albino & Colorpoints video! I can't say it's /impossible/ to get point-esque pattern from white but it's exceedingly unlikely, I've never seen or heard of that happening. If you want a seal point with yellow eyes, I recommend just going with a very hot Burmese lol.
You don't need to worry about the "it's a sudden mutation" problem bc it's recessive to fullcolor anyway; it'd be MUCH less likely for some kind of bizarre, unknown white spotting pattern to perfectly mimic point than it would be to just have Burmese skip a few generations tbh. The former sounds a LOT more like "sudden mutation" than the latter.
@@littlehungrywarriorWouldn't a mink be closer in color to a Siamese but have the same yellow eyes as a Burmese?
Edit: was watching through all the other videos... it has exclusively green eyes. Dammit.
@@SpringStarFangirl the green eyes of a mink are the result of a small amount of yellow pigment over a blue backdrop. regardless of the explanation, if you look at minks, they have green eyes
So by this, would Duchess have been deaf?
Not necessarily! It's about a 65-80% chance (and probably lower for heterozygotes like her), so she got lucky
I notice a lot if cats with white paws but you mentioned G being mostly breed specific so is it still possible for cats to have those white paws with S, juts that theyre guaranteed to have it with G?
correct! S allele can absolutely produce white paws
@@littlehungrywarrior cool ty!! Thabks to you Im having fun figuring out the genetics for my cats (and somehow already stuck to genetics pretty well with all my kits even before knowing all this!)
@@red-road-rot4970 HAHA I love it when that happens! have fun!
Are you going to make a video that goes into more detail of cat eye colors? Maybe you already have, I haven't seen them all yet
everything we know, I cover in this series. we don't know that much :(
@@littlehungrywarrior Ok, also, do you know if male ginger cats still carry the black gene? Or do they just not have that locus?
@@crazy4schleich852 of course! All cats have all loci. no cat doesn't have a locus just because it doesn't express. missing the black locus would mean missing a significant chunk of a chromosome, the cat would probably die before even developing into a kitten (or would be stillborn w/deformities).
@@littlehungrywarrior Where do they get the allele on it from? Is it from both parents or just their mom like with red?
@@crazy4schleich852 the Black locus isn't sex-linked, so it comes from both parents regardless of the sex of the child :)
leucism vs albinism
albinism: deactivated pigment production
leucism: melanoblast doesnt do its job so no melanocytes for you.
KITTY CAMEO AH
Pleiotrophism: Melanoblast broken? Potential issues with the hearing. No, this doesn't happen with white spotting.
Wd > S = w
S/w 50% white
"secret 4th allele" aka white feeties.
Wd > S = w > G
Punnet square time
1. 50% Wd/w (or Heterozygous white), 50% w/w (or no white)
2. 25% Wd/S (Heterozygous white), S/w (low white spotting), Wd/w (Heterozygous white), w/w (solid color).
No clue if this is gonna be seen, but if I wanna have two parents who aren't white dominant have a white dominant son, how would I go about that? I don't really care if he is truly white dominant just that he looks like it TwT
If the parents have low white, it's possible for S/S homozygosity to produce a fully-white kitten, though they'd likely be born w/van spots that would go away with age
alt: just make them albino instead of white dominant lol, it's recessive
@@littlehungrywarrior Was hoping to avoid going albino because the character is canonically stated to be dominant white (Idk if you've watch Nyoko_Art's Galaxyclan Clan Gen series, but if you have then it is Ottertail) but considering only one of his parents doesn't have any white I'm just gonna go albino cause you have a point there xD
@@littlehungrywarrior Sorry to bother you again btw but I'm not really sure if what I have in my notes for white spotting is correct even after rewatching the video? I'm trying to fix it but I ain't 100% everything is right
Wd/Wd = Dominant white (Any color eyes; often deaf)
Wd/w = Dominant white but carrying no white
w/w = No white
S/S = White spotting (Any eye color)
S/w = White spotting but carrying no spotting
s/s = No white spotting
@@Furby_Husband not a bother at all ^^
Mostly correct! one small important change:
S/S = High white spotting (any eye color)
S/w = Low white spotting
S/S cats are >50% white, S/W cats are
Is the blue eye thing also a lack of pigment in human eyes or is it just a cat thing?
Yep! In every mammal that I'm aware of, blue is underlying structural color beneath non-blue pigmentation. I don't think that there's such a thing as blue pigment
So a cat with a S has to have some white on it?
Yep! tho it does happen, altho it's very rare, for that white to be just a few hairs
my all black cat has just the tiniest little white patch on his chest, it can't be more than like 10 hairs lol