Heyyy I have a correction about amber for you Selfs don't become silver tabbies, they have pheomelanin. It just takes longer for it to show since their body is kinda "whittling down" at the eumelanin. They're basically the same as tabby ambers, they just have extra black pigment & take longer-their stripes especially linger for extra long, but later in life they will look golden/ginger 'cept for their leathers.
its just that dog breeds are generally more distinctive than cat breeds are. mainly because dogs have been domesticated for much longer than cats have, and also because dog breeds historically have been bred for specific purposes so their behaviour and morphology are more distinct to fit those purposes. But you're right, people don't give cats enough credit for how phenotypically diverse they are!
YESSSS! I love thes videos I was really exited for this one! Cat genetics are fun but can be confusing, and I really like how you explain it. Gime the knolege for my kitty oc's lol.
AHHH this series has been INCREDIBLY helpful (and started a new hyperfixation) in teaching me abt genetics and it's inspiring me to really put my creativity to use with a new project. thank you!!! (also i cannot wait for moreeee)
I rewatched this because it's hard to remember all of that from one time (I've also rechecked a few of the other ones in the playlist, I have it almost always open on another tab whenever I'm doing anything with cat genetics just for my own fun, which ever since I learned to do it right from you (and even when I didn't know anything besides "black is dominant over brown, stripes is dominant over no stripes, full white is dominant over no white") is often) and I remembered something, checked the comment section, and realised I did NOT mention my ancient headcanon on the European Warriors covers, for some reason!? So, you can google them, but for many European languages (including Latvian and German for sure, and Lithuanian I think too, and definitely at least a few more) the covers for Warrior Cats books are all the same. Into the wild has supposedly Fireheart, probably still as Rusty, looking, well... rusty. A brownish kitty, little to no trace of stripes. And the... Last Hope? Darkest Hour? Something to that vibe I'm not good with names, number 6 in arc 1, has Firestar on the cover. Green eyes, but CLEARLY a bright spankin' orange, with clear enough stripes. I've seen other people theorize this (though I came up with it myself after seeing someone else explain their OC changing color during timeskip in their comic, saying that amber cats start out dark and turn ginger as they age) but Firestar might be an amber cat, starting out as the brownish kitten on the first book, and growing up to be the clearly very orange colored adult on the sixth, though realistically that color would've been achieved much earlier, just not shown on a cover until then. Somali still makes sense though, or just accepting Warriors doesn't care about genes.
I now realized that nutmeg is probably chocolate (maybe cinnamon, but that also works, I guess) which looks similar to the cover art of Rusty, and I don't remember any visual descriptions of kitten Jake. Jake can be an amber cat, Nutmeg can be choc/cin, both of them can have solid at least recessive, Jake can be brown or black with recessive brown, and bam. All Fireboi cover art (at least from that set) makes sense.
Me carefully looking over my cats to point out their phenotypes At first i thought one of them was some sort of tortie but after looking up carnelian im having a revelation
I got a few moments of understanding about this topic while reading the genetics part on messybeast, but I forgot it very quickly. Thanks for making it as digestible as possible!
Oh wait... So all I need to do to make possible for my "ginger" (she's more like the golden of Mothwing or Lionblaze, but you got the idea) oc have her black tom-kits is make her amber? ALL MY PROBLEMS ARE SOLVED
The inhibitor is completely dominant for the complete video. But in reality it could be incomplete with minimal difference between I/I and I/i. Wideband: Makes the bands on tabby's large. It doesn't affect solid color cats. Wideband is a lot like spotting. Not a lot is known of wideband, but it is not monogenetic.
Extension locus: Modifier of Agouti. E, e, r, ec E > e & r E = ec (?) E > e ? r ? ec E > r ? e ? ec E = ec ? r ? e I & Wb = Same as red genetics in e (unknown for r) I & Wb = Carnelian (????) [Another good reminder to stick to Microbiology]
I’ve been wondering why my black tabby cat’s fur has warmer hues than most black tabbies I’ve seen. The theory that widebanding is a gradient trait might just be the answer I was looking for since my cat's mother was a black-golden tabby. Somehow I’ve never considered that it may be a spectrum, thank you!
isn't there the sunshine gene as well that does similar things? from what I remember, this is the definition: a recessive trait (appears in siberians) that's like golden but can also combine with silver/inhibitor to create something called "bimetallic." it's still being studied and is theorized to be on the extension gene.
I know this series ended a long time ago but I can’t stop thinking about this; I haven’t found it in photos so I don’t think it can happen but I have to ask Can a cat be half smoke and half cameo? Like a tortie but the black isn’t agouti, think of the smokes at 3:04 but add cameo to make it a tortie or would it just be a silver tortie? I can’t stop thinking about this
I'm not sure I fully understand your question, but a non-tabby tortie would be smoke on their black-base and cameo on their red-base. in turn, a yes-tabby torbie would be silver on their black-base and cameo on their red-base. if I'm misunderstanding something, do let me know!
When I saw the MC1R title pop up on screen, I got really excited, because in humans, MC1R causes red hair. Specifically, there are recessive alleles on the MC1R locus that can mutate the melanocytes in such a way that they cannot produce eumelanin properly. This results in red hair, which can vary in tone depending on the parents- the dark/light of hair is one of those gradient genes, if I had to guess- but will consist only of pheomelanin. If you've been wondering why this excites me so much? It's because my brother and I both have red hair, and I love learning about this stuff. (Did you know that MC1R can screw with reactions to anaesthesia and pain relief medications?)
fuck yes this shit's so cool!!! and I did know that - by learning it the hard way :\ one time i needed a 2nd novocane shot at the dentist and he explained it was probably bc im blonde
I found a source that describes chinchillas as a silver ticked cat, ik it's very disputed and no one agrees, but I'm writing down "silver ticked tabby = chinchilla" in my brain. Now if only I can find any definition for what a silver/golden "shell" is Edit: Messybeast describes a shell as silver/gold + widebanding, and Chinchilla is specifically silver + widebanding in a Persian cat, and that makes sense to me
yep! it tends to lead to the ginger parts looking very pale comparatively, like in these photos: i.pinimg.com/originals/00/46/af/0046aff6b133de78f8db4f36cb7d6889.jpg i.pinimg.com/originals/11/af/cb/11afcb6da29e789fa16e4ceddbe0ec41.jpg ppl just call them "tortie smokes" for simplicity tho :3
I have two questions 1. What the heck is going on when a solid black cat appears to look like it has stripes? Like I know one of my grandma's cats is a tuxedo cat, but when she is in certain lightings or laying in a sun spot, she look like she has spotted tabby stripes. Is it like with ginger as they will appear as they have some stripes even when they don't have the gene for stripes? 2. If smoke is considered solid what then determines their "pattern"? Like some look like they don't have much stripes, while some will look like they're a mackerel/spotted tabby, and some even appear to look like they have a classic tabby??? Even though they're considering solid? I want to know more about smokes since I'm thinking of making a wc oc that's a smoke. (My apologies if there's any spelling errors)
1. solid black cats are often born with faint "ghost" stripes that go away with age, but sometimes they don't go away. lots of direct sun exposure (if an indoor cat, lots of window time in a sunny place can do this too) can cause this to be more prominent. 2. hairs of a cat "know" whether theyre stripes or non-stripes, but in the case of a solid cat, a non-stripe hair isn't told to do anything different than a stripe hair, so they look the same. I wish I knew more about the mechanics of how this works! recall that the entire genome exists within a cat even when we don't see it. thus, the genome still has pattern information even when the cat is solid. whatever Inhibitor is doing, its only doing it to non-stripe hairs, causing the pattern to become visible :3 good luck with your oc!!
Thank you, also rewatching the video on tabbies helped as I forgot about the Agouti stuff and that the agouti stuff is not the same as what determines the type of stripes, they're two different things, so if a cat is a/a it's basically hiding the Mc mc and Ta ta. (Using your lamp example) I guess Smoke somewhat works like if you were to walk into that dark room that has the lamp and just pulled out a flashlight and somewhat shined it onto the lamp, being able to see somewhat what type of lampshade it has (or if it even has one to begin with?)
@@littlehungrywarrior somehow, two completely average ginger cats had 3 [mostly] normal looking kits. and then a somali-looking kit. like how did yall do that. you dont even carry anything other than ginger!!
@@littlehungrywarrior another update if you want it: a cinnamon cat and a ginger cat had a cinnamon female kit. thank the lord they were diluted so i can just say hard-to-tell tortie...
Question, if a ginger is always expressing the tabby gene, but doesn't have the dominant "A" agouti locus on, would that cat be able or unable to express widebanding?
The cat can still express widebanding :) Google "cameo cat" or "red chinchilla," they look really cool! I completely understand where this question comes from. Widebanding is a "modifier" of A, so shouldn't a cat with no As not have any available to modify? The answer is very complicated & requires a deeper understanding of genetics, so forgive me if I have a hard time explaining. It's shorthand to say that Widebanding "modifies" A. In reality (though still somewhat simplified), Widebanding alleles modify what A /codes for/. "A" is the symbol we use to summarize & refer to the piece of DNA that codes for "make agouti banding," and "a" is the symbol we use to summarize & refer to the piece of DNA that codes for "DON'T make agouti banding." Ginger removes A and a from the equation entirely. It doesn't matter if a is saying not to, ginger is going to make agouti anyway. We say "Widebanding modifies A" bc Widebanding modifies AGOUTI, and A causes Agouti. Imagine your friend is a sculptor and you're a painter. Your friend makes a sculpture and leaves it on your table. You come in later and paint it. The sculpture is agouti, and you're painting widebanding onto it. If you come in and there's no sculpture, then you have nothing to paint (a/a on a black cat) One day you come in and there's a sculpture, so you paint it. You have no way of knowing your friend didn't make that sculpture - someone else did (a/a on a ginger cat). Of course this is all still simplified, but I think this kind of explanation will probably be more helpful to your understanding than like...a bunch of jargon about melanin-switching code lol
Kinda off topic on this video, but is my cat a calico? She’s black with splotches of ginger and a small bit of white on her, what do you think her alleles are? I kinda forgot how to write tortishell/calico alleles LOL
Is there some form of genetic thing for eye color change cause I had a black cat whose eyes slowly changed from a brown to light amber over time not due to blindness or anything vets said they don’t know what happened
omg if you ever find out please tell me because i've been wondering this for over a decade! i've heard that kittens can have blue eyes that turn their normal color later, but my cat (shown in my profile pic) had dark brown eyes when we got her at only a couple months old, then they slowly turned amber, then yellowish green, and now they're a more cyan-ish green. i've always wanted to know why this is and have never been able to find any info on it!
@@digitaldritten oh the kitten blue goes away fast, if you got her at a few months then yeah they'd be brown already. idk about that tho! sounds like gradual pigment loss, not sure what's causing it. it's not something ive heard of. it sounds super cool tho :O
( 3:30 ) me: *Sees misspell* .... WHY!? AM I A MAGNET TO MISSPELLS??? WHY DO I KEEP SEEING THEM!! ... They are everywhere (I legit see misspells everywhere... even in high quality books!) (Warrior graphic novels, Chapter books, Ect)
are you referring to "torbie" as opposed to "tortie"? torbie is the word for a tortie tabby lol it's not a typo. if you see smth in the captions tho pls lemme now so i can fix it!
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Heyyy I have a correction about amber for you
Selfs don't become silver tabbies, they have pheomelanin. It just takes longer for it to show since their body is kinda "whittling down" at the eumelanin. They're basically the same as tabby ambers, they just have extra black pigment & take longer-their stripes especially linger for extra long, but later in life they will look golden/ginger 'cept for their leathers.
Can I get a source for this? :O
@@littlehungrywarrioryoutube may have deleted my reply for having links :T not sure if you could see it
@@frickfrickkin1723 oh jeez I hate when it does that. Is there a way to DM on youtube..?
@@littlehungrywarrior Welp it deleted it on multiple attempts so I will try messaging your tumblr if that's alright!
Good thinking!@@frickfrickkin1723
My brain is fried. I thought I understood cat genetics, but this lot has always stumped me.
mood.
Well you're better than me I didn't know whitebanding even existed
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This video is what I think about when dog people make fun of cats for not having proper breeds (I don’t know why they think this)
its just that dog breeds are generally more distinctive than cat breeds are. mainly because dogs have been domesticated for much longer than cats have, and also because dog breeds historically have been bred for specific purposes so their behaviour and morphology are more distinct to fit those purposes. But you're right, people don't give cats enough credit for how phenotypically diverse they are!
YESSSS! I love thes videos I was really exited for this one! Cat genetics are fun but can be confusing, and I really like how you explain it.
Gime the knolege for my kitty oc's lol.
AHHH this series has been INCREDIBLY helpful (and started a new hyperfixation) in teaching me abt genetics and it's inspiring me to really put my creativity to use with a new project. thank you!!! (also i cannot wait for moreeee)
Why go to college when you can watch this series? This is amazing, thank you so much! (Offtopic, you should cover the bi-metal kitty)
Aw thanks! Bi-metal kitty? :O
I rewatched this because it's hard to remember all of that from one time (I've also rechecked a few of the other ones in the playlist, I have it almost always open on another tab whenever I'm doing anything with cat genetics just for my own fun, which ever since I learned to do it right from you (and even when I didn't know anything besides "black is dominant over brown, stripes is dominant over no stripes, full white is dominant over no white") is often) and I remembered something, checked the comment section, and realised I did NOT mention my ancient headcanon on the European Warriors covers, for some reason!? So, you can google them, but for many European languages (including Latvian and German for sure, and Lithuanian I think too, and definitely at least a few more) the covers for Warrior Cats books are all the same. Into the wild has supposedly Fireheart, probably still as Rusty, looking, well... rusty. A brownish kitty, little to no trace of stripes. And the... Last Hope? Darkest Hour? Something to that vibe I'm not good with names, number 6 in arc 1, has Firestar on the cover. Green eyes, but CLEARLY a bright spankin' orange, with clear enough stripes.
I've seen other people theorize this (though I came up with it myself after seeing someone else explain their OC changing color during timeskip in their comic, saying that amber cats start out dark and turn ginger as they age) but Firestar might be an amber cat, starting out as the brownish kitten on the first book, and growing up to be the clearly very orange colored adult on the sixth, though realistically that color would've been achieved much earlier, just not shown on a cover until then.
Somali still makes sense though, or just accepting Warriors doesn't care about genes.
Oooooh cool :O
I now realized that nutmeg is probably chocolate (maybe cinnamon, but that also works, I guess) which looks similar to the cover art of Rusty, and I don't remember any visual descriptions of kitten Jake. Jake can be an amber cat, Nutmeg can be choc/cin, both of them can have solid at least recessive, Jake can be brown or black with recessive brown, and bam. All Fireboi cover art (at least from that set) makes sense.
Me carefully looking over my cats to point out their phenotypes
At first i thought one of them was some sort of tortie but after looking up carnelian im having a revelation
I got a few moments of understanding about this topic while reading the genetics part on messybeast, but I forgot it very quickly. Thanks for making it as digestible as possible!
Oh wait... So all I need to do to make possible for my "ginger" (she's more like the golden of Mothwing or Lionblaze, but you got the idea) oc have her black tom-kits is make her amber? ALL MY PROBLEMS ARE SOLVED
I love cat genetics, and these videos help me learn even more about it!
same here!
This video made me realize that I think my calico is silver (cameo and silver black tabby), so that's neat.
"boss battle music" oh no.
The inhibitor is completely dominant for the complete video. But in reality it could be incomplete with minimal difference between I/I and I/i.
Wideband: Makes the bands on tabby's large. It doesn't affect solid color cats. Wideband is a lot like spotting. Not a lot is known of wideband, but it is not monogenetic.
Wideband/Inhibitor interaction: Yeah I see why I chose Microbiology.
Extension locus: Modifier of Agouti.
E, e, r, ec
E > e & r
E = ec (?)
E > e ? r ? ec
E > r ? e ? ec
E = ec ? r ? e
I & Wb = Same as red genetics in e (unknown for r)
I & Wb = Carnelian (????)
[Another good reminder to stick to Microbiology]
Okay, punnet time.
Aa, II x aa ii
100% Inhibitor (50% Solid Inhibitor, 50% Tabby Inhibitor)
50% solid, 50% tabby
I’ve been wondering why my black tabby cat’s fur has warmer hues than most black tabbies I’ve seen. The theory that widebanding is a gradient trait might just be the answer I was looking for since my cat's mother was a black-golden tabby. Somehow I’ve never considered that it may be a spectrum, thank you!
Thank you! I have been so lost on widebanding research.
isn't there the sunshine gene as well that does similar things? from what I remember, this is the definition:
a recessive trait (appears in siberians) that's like golden but can also combine with silver/inhibitor to create something called "bimetallic." it's still being studied and is theorized to be on the extension gene.
Someone told me about that recently! Very cool :D
I know this series ended a long time ago but I can’t stop thinking about this; I haven’t found it in photos so I don’t think it can happen but I have to ask
Can a cat be half smoke and half cameo? Like a tortie but the black isn’t agouti, think of the smokes at 3:04 but add cameo to make it a tortie or would it just be a silver tortie? I can’t stop thinking about this
I'm not sure I fully understand your question, but a non-tabby tortie would be smoke on their black-base and cameo on their red-base. in turn, a yes-tabby torbie would be silver on their black-base and cameo on their red-base. if I'm misunderstanding something, do let me know!
@@littlehungrywarrior no you got it right, ty! :3
When I saw the MC1R title pop up on screen, I got really excited, because in humans, MC1R causes red hair. Specifically, there are recessive alleles on the MC1R locus that can mutate the melanocytes in such a way that they cannot produce eumelanin properly. This results in red hair, which can vary in tone depending on the parents- the dark/light of hair is one of those gradient genes, if I had to guess- but will consist only of pheomelanin.
If you've been wondering why this excites me so much? It's because my brother and I both have red hair, and I love learning about this stuff. (Did you know that MC1R can screw with reactions to anaesthesia and pain relief medications?)
fuck yes this shit's so cool!!! and I did know that - by learning it the hard way :\ one time i needed a 2nd novocane shot at the dentist and he explained it was probably bc im blonde
@@littlehungrywarrior oh man the memories from the dentist. My autism really doesn't help lol...
@@SpringStarFangirl personally i LOVE going to the dentist, it's asmr to me (im also autistic)
@@littlehungrywarrior also autistic, funny how all of us here are hyperfixated on cat genetics!
I found a source that describes chinchillas as a silver ticked cat, ik it's very disputed and no one agrees, but I'm writing down "silver ticked tabby = chinchilla" in my brain. Now if only I can find any definition for what a silver/golden "shell" is
Edit: Messybeast describes a shell as silver/gold + widebanding, and Chinchilla is specifically silver + widebanding in a Persian cat, and that makes sense to me
Thank god I took coffee this morning and notes as I am watching your videos or else my brain would become melted ice cream
hey, that's doing better than me! I MADE the video and it still turned my brain into melted ice cream LOL
@@littlehungrywarrior Sorry 😂
How would Inhibitor interact with a solid tortoiseshell? Would the black part be a smoke and the ginger part a silver/cameo tabby?
yep! it tends to lead to the ginger parts looking very pale comparatively, like in these photos:
i.pinimg.com/originals/00/46/af/0046aff6b133de78f8db4f36cb7d6889.jpg
i.pinimg.com/originals/11/af/cb/11afcb6da29e789fa16e4ceddbe0ec41.jpg
ppl just call them "tortie smokes" for simplicity tho :3
@@littlehungrywarrior those are really cool
@@eclipsedmoon87 they are i LOVE smoke torties
I have two questions
1. What the heck is going on when a solid black cat appears to look like it has stripes? Like I know one of my grandma's cats is a tuxedo cat, but when she is in certain lightings or laying in a sun spot, she look like she has spotted tabby stripes. Is it like with ginger as they will appear as they have some stripes even when they don't have the gene for stripes?
2. If smoke is considered solid what then determines their "pattern"? Like some look like they don't have much stripes, while some will look like they're a mackerel/spotted tabby, and some even appear to look like they have a classic tabby??? Even though they're considering solid?
I want to know more about smokes since I'm thinking of making a wc oc that's a smoke.
(My apologies if there's any spelling errors)
1. solid black cats are often born with faint "ghost" stripes that go away with age, but sometimes they don't go away. lots of direct sun exposure (if an indoor cat, lots of window time in a sunny place can do this too) can cause this to be more prominent.
2. hairs of a cat "know" whether theyre stripes or non-stripes, but in the case of a solid cat, a non-stripe hair isn't told to do anything different than a stripe hair, so they look the same. I wish I knew more about the mechanics of how this works! recall that the entire genome exists within a cat even when we don't see it. thus, the genome still has pattern information even when the cat is solid. whatever Inhibitor is doing, its only doing it to non-stripe hairs, causing the pattern to become visible :3
good luck with your oc!!
Thank you, also rewatching the video on tabbies helped as I forgot about the Agouti stuff and that the agouti stuff is not the same as what determines the type of stripes, they're two different things, so if a cat is a/a it's basically hiding the Mc mc and Ta ta. (Using your lamp example) I guess Smoke somewhat works like if you were to walk into that dark room that has the lamp and just pulled out a flashlight and somewhat shined it onto the lamp, being able to see somewhat what type of lampshade it has (or if it even has one to begin with?)
@@kite_flyingcat111 That's a good way to think of it!
"lets do the genetics of a clangen family tree," i said, "it would be fun," I SAID.
i have had to pull carnelian out of who-knows-where twice.
MOOD.
@@littlehungrywarrior somehow, two completely average ginger cats had 3 [mostly] normal looking kits. and then a somali-looking kit. like how did yall do that. you dont even carry anything other than ginger!!
@@EmployeeKB Loooool rip!!!
@@littlehungrywarrior another update if you want it: a cinnamon cat and a ginger cat had a cinnamon female kit. thank the lord they were diluted so i can just say hard-to-tell tortie...
Im Cat lover i like visit you channel,.,,...
Question, if a ginger is always expressing the tabby gene, but doesn't have the dominant "A" agouti locus on, would that cat be able or unable to express widebanding?
The cat can still express widebanding :) Google "cameo cat" or "red chinchilla," they look really cool!
I completely understand where this question comes from. Widebanding is a "modifier" of A, so shouldn't a cat with no As not have any available to modify?
The answer is very complicated & requires a deeper understanding of genetics, so forgive me if I have a hard time explaining.
It's shorthand to say that Widebanding "modifies" A. In reality (though still somewhat simplified), Widebanding alleles modify what A /codes for/.
"A" is the symbol we use to summarize & refer to the piece of DNA that codes for "make agouti banding," and "a" is the symbol we use to summarize & refer to the piece of DNA that codes for "DON'T make agouti banding."
Ginger removes A and a from the equation entirely. It doesn't matter if a is saying not to, ginger is going to make agouti anyway.
We say "Widebanding modifies A" bc Widebanding modifies AGOUTI, and A causes Agouti.
Imagine your friend is a sculptor and you're a painter. Your friend makes a sculpture and leaves it on your table. You come in later and paint it. The sculpture is agouti, and you're painting widebanding onto it.
If you come in and there's no sculpture, then you have nothing to paint (a/a on a black cat)
One day you come in and there's a sculpture, so you paint it. You have no way of knowing your friend didn't make that sculpture - someone else did (a/a on a ginger cat).
Of course this is all still simplified, but I think this kind of explanation will probably be more helpful to your understanding than like...a bunch of jargon about melanin-switching code lol
@@littlehungrywarrior Thank you for explaining! It makes a lot of sense now! 😊
Kinda off topic on this video, but is my cat a calico? She’s black with splotches of ginger and a small bit of white on her, what do you think her alleles are? I kinda forgot how to write tortishell/calico alleles LOL
I'll need a pic to tell you for sure - descs are notoriously unreliable! my tumblr is in the desc, send me a pic :3
@@littlehungrywarrior sure!
I uploaded it, btw I have no idea how tumblr works I literally joined for this LOL
Yeah nvm I have no idea where the post went and how to work the app
@@SpriteLovuh I got the pic!
Is there some form of genetic thing for eye color change cause I had a black cat whose eyes slowly changed from a brown to light amber over time not due to blindness or anything vets said they don’t know what happened
Not that I know of! :O Neat!!
omg if you ever find out please tell me because i've been wondering this for over a decade! i've heard that kittens can have blue eyes that turn their normal color later, but my cat (shown in my profile pic) had dark brown eyes when we got her at only a couple months old, then they slowly turned amber, then yellowish green, and now they're a more cyan-ish green. i've always wanted to know why this is and have never been able to find any info on it!
@@digitaldritten oh the kitten blue goes away fast, if you got her at a few months then yeah they'd be brown already. idk about that tho! sounds like gradual pigment loss, not sure what's causing it. it's not something ive heard of. it sounds super cool tho :O
8:55 nigerian forest cat loll
YEAH OOPS LOL
Do you know what happens if a self cat has inhibitor but not widebanding? Is a self and inhibitor cat always smoke?
yep, a self cat with inhibitor is always a smoke. adding widebanding would make them other stuff.
@@littlehungrywarrior What would widebanding make them?
@@3chovine have you watched the video?
@@littlehungrywarrior Yes. Sorry just rewatched and found it. Got lost on the tipped/chinchilla needing tabby as well.
I'm used to seeing Wb+Inhibitor+self=smoke. My preconceived notions got in my way. Sorry to waste your time.
( 3:30 ) me: *Sees misspell* .... WHY!? AM I A MAGNET TO MISSPELLS??? WHY DO I KEEP SEEING THEM!! ... They are everywhere (I legit see misspells everywhere... even in high quality books!) (Warrior graphic novels, Chapter books, Ect)
are you referring to "torbie" as opposed to "tortie"? torbie is the word for a tortie tabby lol it's not a typo. if you see smth in the captions tho pls lemme now so i can fix it!
Wow!
Uh... save point. 10:55
Nigerian Forest Cat 😂 🇳🇪 🇳🇬