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@Daniel Kutovoy Antidepressants dull emotions for a little while but in the long run they are very beneficial and the emotions return. Depression is caused by neuronal death in the hippocampus and antidepressants help stimulate new neural growth in that area. So yes, it sucks for awhile (I know from experience unfortunately), but in the end your brain isn't dying anymore!
@Daniel Kutovoy depends on the antidepressant. when i was depressed and i took one type (i cant remember which medicine) it made me more depressed and angered me quickly, it changed the way i think for the worse. you ever heard the expression "id rather feel pain then nothing at all"? it made me not feel as much emotion, so i quit taking them, and 6 months later i stopped thinking about suicide. Some anti-depressants work for some patients, but the trials you'd have to go through are not worth it
@@SumriseHD the original creator of the lobotomy, not the transorbital variety it was different and just as bad, did in fact win a Nobel prize. The argument the Nobel award committee make on why it should not have been revoked was that it was created in a time where there was absolutely zero alternatives and it did "help" to a degree in making people more manageable, not necessarily better.
My grandfather had early onset Alzheimer’s. He was taken to the Selkirk ( Manitoba) mental hospital in 1949. We found medical records stating he had a lobotomy done. Makes me so sad.
I have records that indicate the procedure was done and pathology showed Alzheimer’s. I have never actually been able to obtain the actual operative report or pathology. Apparently there was a fire that destroyed a lot of their records.
For anyone that didn’t know, JFK’s sister, Rosemary underwent a lobotomy at age 23. She was left with the intelligence of a two year old. Truly a tragic story.
@@soyboysupreme6190 According to wikipedia, she also had violent ourtbusts and severe mood changes. I'm not saying that justifies it, it's horrible, but apparently there were other factors besides "sexism".
@@stingymcduck5450 your mostly correct she was bipolar (something not understood back then) and she diddnt act "like a lady" these things together are what caused JFK senior to have the procedure done without the knowledge of her mother who attempted to take her own life after finding out and she diddnt speak to him for about 12 years afterwards until he had his stroke and lost the ability to speak and walk. Even with his stroke she still hated him and its widely believed she neglected to care for him leading to an earlier death than expected.
When I was a kid growing up in the 50's and 60's, out neighbor's Son had been given a lobotomy because he was prone to anger outbursts and was considered uncontrollable. The sad thing is, he probably was autistic and would have more than likely responded to therapy. I remember my Dad (father was a teacher and worked with mentally challenged children) being so upset when he found out what they did to him. I use to see him walking around at night, he would just walk around the block over and over at night.
@@minxywaters1767 true. I'm sorry, it's just that I commented when I heard of this the first time and it really made me uncomfortable thinking about the syringe through my eye socket but now, I realise I should have put more emphasis on it. It's very horrible and terrifying.
This method of medical relief was truly FIRING, I can't believe they would ever think to jam an ice pick IN someone's brain. This is one of THE most unimaginable procedures ever, making a HOLE in someone's head is insane.
For christian belief, soul is the center of emotions, rationality and stuff. Since know nowadays that the frontal lobe is responsable for exactly that, you can say that lobotomy is separating the flesh from the soul. Hb 4.12 talks about the word of God being able to separate the spirit from the soul.
This is literally one of my worst nightmares. My brain being mutilated while I’m still awake, aware that I’m losing myself and not being able to do anything about it. I couldn’t even imagine how horrifying that must have been for the people who went through it.
@@sonya1500 Well, JFK'S sister allegedly cried, yelled and hammered her fists against her mother's chest, after seeing her for the first time after a lobotomy. We might describe some disabilities like "with the mind of a two-year-old" or other metaphors but these people do have memories and thoughts that are similar to non-disabled people. Comparing it to dreams, you can't escape, might be more aptly. Confusing messes of information, sensations and feelings while not being able to communicate effectively with your surroundings, sounds nightmarish. Especially, when you used to read books, have friends, articulate yourself well and suddenly you end up in a care center barely doing anything for 24 hours a day every day.
The fact that there was no specialized medical tool used, and instead they used an ICE PICK, a type of hard sculpting tool, to essentially kill someone’s soul is mind boggling.
@@harrybaals2549 That's so funny to me. People in general have this image of surgery being a very delicate thing (which isn't untrue), but then you look at orthopedic surgeons and they use hammers and power tools.
Thank you for this explanation. I knew the idea of a lobotomy, but seeing it explained using the real physical structures is so helpful. My husband's great uncle returned from WWII in a state of "shell shock" as it was called then. Medication and therapy wasn't nearly as developed as now and his doctor ended up giving him a lobotomy to make the symptoms go away. It worked, but unfortunately it took away nearly all of his personality. He was completely dependent on family to live with because he could not care for himself. He lived for almost 70 years post-lobotomy, first with his mother, then his sister, then his nephew, then my husband and myself. He outlived so many people that by the time he was "passed down" to my husband's dad no one knew what he was like before the war. Recently some old photos were found and we all cried happy tears to see that he had a real life before the war. He never married or had children, but he had friends and what appeared to be a girlfriend. We recognized his 93 year old denture-laden grin in the brilliant smile of the young man in the photos. In the 70s and 80s he learned to use the lawn mower and would do the neighbors' lawns for pocket money. My husband being just a little guy in the 80s would walk with his great uncle down the street to share fries and a shake. It was their weekend routine. He seemed functional because he could use the bathroom on his own and rummage in the pantry for food, but he couldn't be left alone because he would try to remember how to cook or he'd move the family sofa to the backyard and hose it off (he did that, and explained that it was dirty and needed cleaning). Though his former personality and most of his pre-war and war memories were gone, he remembered some people, I think he just knew who "his people" were and stuck with us. I wish the lobotomy hadn't been done to him, he seemed like he was an incredible guy in the photos. During his years with us he was a handful, like a preschooler in a man's body, but he was also a blessing. I'm so glad this isn't done anymore, it is unthinkable what was stolen from him. If meds and therapy were better then he could have gone on to have a real life of his own. At least he had family to keep him though, he wasn't locked away broken and alone. He was an honorary grandpa for several generations and we like to think that being with family all those years is what kept him healthy and living for so long. Long story, all to say thanks for really showing what really happened to sweet Uncle Frank.
Such a heart wrenching story! I'm almost moved to tears reading this. Can I just read out this story of your husband's great uncle in a video that I'm going to make on the horrors of War ?
Wow... thanks for telling your story such a pity for this to be done to him but as you say he wasn't locked away somewhere.and was lucky to have such a positive and great family.. love from Glasgow Scotland xx
Had to pause the video to appreciate that he was holding someone’s brain. Once someone’s personality traits, and an entire lifetime of experiences in the palm of his hands. Crazy stuff.
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The operation itself is horrifying. But the fact that SO MANY of these were administered against the desire of the individual being lobotomized is even more horrifying.
just like how we still force people in buildings with other struggling people and torture them into compliance while we find the right drug ratio to make them productive and stop bothering people for real help.
@Glitched Effect Which country is that? While Norway had less than the US, per capita they did it 2.5 times as often. The UK while have half as many lobotomies performed as the US, they also had a higher per capita of them performed considering their populations.
”They did lobotomies as late as the 1950s which is mind blowing”. Lobotomy was used on mentally handicapped children until 1983(!) in Denmark. The Scandinavian countries was ”best in the world” on this procedure.
Fact: The 1949 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was awarded to Dr. António Egas Moniz 🇵🇹 for his discovery of the theraputic value of lobotomy in certain psychoses.
The Canadian singer, Alys Robi, had two lobotomies against her will. All of that because she was depressed. She said she woke up feeling better without knowing what happened, and then realized she was one of the rare cases of successful lobotomies.
@@hugobourgon198 "Je me réveillai guérie et j'ai compris plus tard que j'avais été un des rares cas réussis de lobotomie" (I woke up better and later understood that I was one of the rare lobotomy success stories).
Id be interested to learn about what a headache is what and where it is effecting and the difference between a headache and a migraine such as when I get a migraine my eyesight is effected ect
The brain has no nerve endings, so there is no pain in the brain. Its the tissue between your brain and your cranium that is what is hurting when you have a headache
I read lobotomies were also used on people with ADHD back when it was misunderstood. Parents would use it on their kids that couldn’t control them because they were always hyperactive.
As someone with autism that wasn’t diagnosed until later in life, as a child I was noticeably different in my interactions with people, and to think THIS could’ve been my fate had I been born in the wrong place at the wrong time is fucking horrifying.
I have adhd that was missed as a child (diagnosed at 24, I am also female which is probably why). While that sucks now, it would have been a blessing back then
I have Asperger's. And yes, like you, I have always been different from the others. I always have struggled with depression also. I guess we would have been shoo ins for this so called "treatment"
The idea behind it was for medicine. Doctors didn't just think "wouldn't it be funny if we stuck an ice pick in mental patient's brains lol", they did it because they believed it could help reduce the symptoms of mental disorders and illnesses. There was reasoning behind it, but like the majority of past medical procedures we now realise that reasoning was very flawed.
@@idot3331 It was indeed meant for medical use but later on most likely for torture and don't forget hookers and other sick shit, but it;s still fascinating :) to just turn-off a human without killing it.
They'd give out lobotomies like it was candy. Even if they had no disorders of any kind, why bother disciplining your child when the nice doctor will turn him into a nice well behaved living room decoration for you?
@@archkull I would much rather have a child with autism and raise them like any other person would raise their kid, instead of having someone scramble their brain and turn them into nothing less than a human.
Well for that they just drill a hole on the top of your skull without damaging the brain and send you home. The top of the skull so the demons can escape, obviously.
@@kyle18934 There is an hepatic condition (I can't recall the name) that doctors recommend blood donation for. Nothing excessive, just the regular 1 pint every six weeks. The article that I read stated that it works great. Cool!
Modern medicine is basically limitless perversion and mutilation until you get it right. Its why i dont trust fauci or the nih or cdc. Theyre ALL evil. They dont care about saving people, they used to do this kinda shit
My grandmother underwent this procedure in the thirties. She finally passed when I was 14, but I never knew who she was. She was simply alive with the motivation of a houseplant. Sorry grandma. It saddens me when I think about it.
I remember watching a documentary where studying doctors would learn the names of the bodies they studied in school. Outside the room that housed the bodies, they would write notes thanking the person who donated their body to science. Those people in the back of the video are amazing for donating their bodies.
Tbh i would probably do the same. When you are dead you are dead, might aswell give your corpse. I might consider to make sure my body will be used by them !
@@hsur3844 if you do forward with this please go directly through a university. The most prominent cadaver donation companies are for profit and will "rent" parts of your bodies to basically any organization for God knows what. There was actually a case of a cadaver being dismembered and an autopsy performed for the entertainment of the paying crowd. The people in attendance were not people studying in school, rather people who were just curious. That man donated his body for science, not for weirdos directing him. It's sad.
This is actually too sad as my *lovely* Uncle had this *done to him* after he had a mental breakdown. After the lobotomy - he became passive - but never lived a normal life (chosing to walk backwards when in public with various phobias of water). After he died I cleared out his flat and there were so many letters when he refused the operation, tried to leave his parents and ended up having it forced on him. ... I miss him and this video shows what he went through. I guess his Dad (my Grandad) wanted him to take over a huge business - the pressure got to him - like it could to anyone. But what Father would do that to their own son? Too sad. They're all dead now :- (
His father might not have known any better. A lot of people didn’t. It too Thorazine and too many people ruined more than anything for people to realize that it was a poor way to handle issues. Now, lobotomies are handled much differently and very rarely done.
You say this with 2020 hindsight, at the time this may have been the most effective treatment. Not the right one, but the best at the time. Perhaps in 50 years we will see chemotherapy as barbaric.
@@GabrielGabeRodriguez Chemotherapy IS barbaric, but it's a necessary evil. Hopefully one day there will be better options for treating cancer and other diseases chemo is used to treat.
Fact: The 1949 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was awarded to Dr. António Egas Moniz 🇵🇹 for his discovery of the theraputic value of lobotomy in certain psychoses.
Worst part is that those neurons are still alive. So what it might actually feel like is being lost in darkness deprived of all sensory information, while the body is controlled on autopilot by the rest of the brain.
This is what I imagine dying from a headshot/traumatic brain injury feels like. Literally parts of the brain spinning on independently for a while, trying to interpret random noise as their usual inputs, generating outputs that go nowhere and getting progressively desynchronized as they die. Like breaking a timing belt on a running car. As opposed to >80% of ways to die, which result directly or indirectly in brain hypoxia and a very well documented set of symptoms, or death by poisons which are each a different story depending on the substance and dosage. Only that in case of lobotomy that part of the brain is just hanging in there and can't die for the rest of the life of the patient.
There were many insane shrews and other crazies who were calmed down by this procedure. It also depended on who did it and how exactly it was done. I had read that one doctor used liquid nitrogen injected into this region to kill the offending parts or brain storm that caused the crazy mood swings and that he had some success with it instead of destroying the personality. Some people are just very unruly and monstrous and in those days they used these methods to permanently subdue idiots with no regard for others.
Yes and back then you could be normal and someone just say you were insane. Then hold you against your will and like you said be a pet. Today they still hold people against their will and remember THEY say you are a danger to everyone NOT you.
@KlodFather yes this was a procedure for the insane, but if I remember correctly, unruly children and neurodivergent people (which I am one) also suffered this procedure.
@@lastchanc3stars that is sad to hear. I hope things get better. Society has a habit of removing problems for every day life and into a hospital, a jail, mental institution, rehab etc…
I think whenever Lobotomy is a theme, it must be said that its creator, Dr. Moniz was awarded the Nobel prize in 1949. It shows just how wrong the entire scientific establishment can go on a topic and cause immense, irreparable harm. Monstrous procedure that made the fame and glory of academics in their time.
@@KillerCrewmate2526 nothing, it‘s just funny, because this exact sort of Royalty Free Music is often used on do-it-yourself videos... do I also have to explain why „do-it-yourself“ music is funny on a video about a lobotomy?
@@robeseller6530 the improvement was they no longer showed symptoms but they were left as mindless zombies who had little to no personality. To them improvement was fixing it it/cure. In truth they just lost their ability of higher thinking, emotional spectrum, some even saw lost of fine motor skill and it was seen as a improvement. Some went blind. Ect.
Thinking about this terrible procedure made me wonder if the reason why some older people were so against openly talking about mental health is because of the possibility of THIS being their fate…
but openly talking about mental health is exactly what would prevent this kind of fate, people were very ignorant (not too different from now, which is a lot less dire) about mental conditions back then
Rosemary Kennedy In her early young adult years, Rosemary Kennedy experienced seizures and violent mood swings. In response to these issues, her father arranged a prefrontal lobotomy for her in 1941 when she was 23 years of age; the procedure left her permanently incapacitated and rendered her unable to speak intelligibly. The Soviet Union banned the surgery in 1950, arguing that it was "contrary to the principles of humanity." Other countries, including Germany and Japan, banned it, too, but lobotomies continued to be performed on a limited scale in the United States, Britain, Scandinavia and several western European countries well into the 20 Th Century !
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The fact that this shit was a normalized procedure for a period is so disturbing and horrifying. Like, HOW does such an inhumane thing come to be accepted into the medical world?
Basically just mad ableism/sexism. Looking at mentally ill people as never having the right to autonomy in the first place. In less sinister cases, they probably thought regulating something like bipolar disorder in an adult with this was better than nothing. But I have no idea what patients were told they were getting if they consenting to this.
@@JuliusCaesar2005 There's a lot of disturbing procedures out there but this is by far one of the most disturbing. As soon as he explained the 40 degree cut, I cringed and choked. Such a terrifying thing. I cannot imagine even punishing the worst people on earth like this. It's beyond inhumane.
One of the developers of the lobotomy received a Nobel Prize for the technique. He was shot by one of his patients after one such surgery, but survived wheelchair bound. One of Joseph Kennedy's daughters was said to have received a lobotomy because she was a rebellious teenager. Following the unsuccessful surgery, she spent the remainder of her life in a mental institution. There are numerous horror stories associated with lobotomies. One involved a prominent lobotomist that encountered one of his psychiatric patients in a hysterical state and being restrained by the police. He identified himself to the police as the man's psychiatrist and with police supervision, performed a lobotomy on the spot with an ice pick. Insane behavior by psychiatrists of the era, but true.
Rose had more wrong with her than just being a rebellious teenager. She had a learning disability and emotional difficulties of some sort. The Kennedys just wanted her out of the public eye.
I met an older woman who had been lobotomized by her husband. She seemed to be able to somewhat function for the most part, but its exactly like he said. It was almost as if you where not talking to a human being anymore. Her capacity to do, well, anything was very hindered. She couldn't stand for more than a few minutes at a time, had breathing problems, and could not control her mouth very well, leaking saliva all over the floor. I could tell that the limited emotion she still felt was sorrowful. I could barely contain my rage after talking to her. To know that there are people in this day and age walking around having suffered such egregious acts made me feel sick to my stomach.
@@aneggselentfellow5607 I was asking about WHY the woman was lobotomized, which he conveniently omitted. The only reason her husband did it was almost certainly because he ran out of options; only Ritalin existed back then, and there were no comparable solutions like what we have today.
@TurtleShroom Interesting that you instantly try to pin the blame on the victim here, buddy. There's another comment further up about a war vet who received the procedure by his family after being shell shocked, would you chuck similar accusations there? Did he do something to deserve it too in your mind? Or perhaps this is not about the victim at all, but instead about you feeling attacked in place of this random long dead husband you know absolutely nothing about? Despite him only being mentioned in passing, you seem quite desperate to empathize with him and justify his actions, and become extremely opposed to the idea that this guy could have been anything less than utterly sympathetic. Nothing against assuming the best and not seeing malice in every action of course, but how curious is it that in assuming the best in him, you see yourself forced to assume the worst in his wife, who you know equally nothing about as a person? In your mind, there has to be someone at fault in this scenario and if it wasn't the husband doing any wrong, surely it must have been his wife being abusive and therefore bringing her predicament upon herself instead of any other of the hundreds of complex scenarios where one or both or neither partner were sympathetic that are all equally likely in this situation. Whatever it is, you seem to have something to unpack here.
its interesting that everything that makes us human, everything we remember, and everything we control, can be thanos snapped out of existence by damaging one small place in the brain.
I've read that the most recent lobotomy (the final one on record) was performed in 1967. There's a memoir, "My Lobotomy", from a man who suffered one as a child. It seems like results would vary, probably in line with the imprecise nature of the procedure- ranging from the extreme end (death of the victim) to mild (somewhat cognitively impaired but still able to live independently in society).
Yeah, I understand people thought this was an acceptable procedure, but the wild variety of results should've raised all the alarms. It's now understood that the data about successful procedures was manipulated to make it seem more effective than it really was.
That was the last recorded one in the US was 1967, but a Canadian doctor who died in the 90's wrote that he performed trans-orbital lobotomies occasionally until he retired in 1983. There is also documented use by militaries on interrogated subjects in foreign wars who needed to be kept quiet.
@@Letyourcolorsblendwithmine but all the surrounding organs/regions are very sensitive: consider how you feel sharp pulsing pain in the head when you have a migraine for instance. Not to mention the surgeon would enter through the eye sockets...
@@tylerg7954A migraine is caused by the expansion of the blood vessels and the pressure it creates on your skull. That’s why it feels like pounding. Whenever the heart beats, it’s expanding those blood vessels.
my grandmother was a nurse to a hospital who specialized in lobotomies. she has stories upon stories of how the patients were basically dead and numb after surgery, and its so heartbreaking...
As someone who has lived with severe mental illness all my life, including psychosis on several occasions, I am very aware of how people like me have been treated. I was born in the early 50’s and just barely escaped some of the horrors of institutional Iife. It’s not a subject for the faint of heart and the history of these poor victims is appalling. It just boggles my mind how anyone could have come up with a lobotomy as a “cure” for anything! The fortune ones died right away.
Yeah, plus if you consider that many people have undiagnosed psychosis, and they function just fine in society. There is so much stigma surrounding that word, it's ridiculous. People love to create black-and-white categories to judge and condemn people. Granted there are degrees of psychosis just like anything else, with some being severe, but others are mild and aren't visible to other people.
I was given an illegal partial lobotomy at 13. My mother and stepfather wanted me to be a breeder like my mother. Before the backroom procedure I was elected to the student council, afterwards I had learning difficulties. I also suffered a severe infection and fever afterwards. I still refused to be a breeder , but was drugged and forced into prostitution all through my life. Another girl had the procedure and lost vision in one of her eyes. This really is an awful country when it comes to protecting children. The procedure was done on me 50 years ago. I have developed compartmentalized thinking and some days I don't remember all I've been through. There was the always the added threat of "them" killing my younger brother. I also had many ECTs , hundreds, and many head injuries,as my stepfather was a sexual sadist. If I could have remembered all I went through I would never have married and had my children, although I love them. I definitely would have never let them near my children, but I didn't remember what monsters they were. My son is still paying the price. Some of the most religious people you meet have evil secrets.
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I know a guy who has survive a broken Zygomatic, Maxilla bone plastic surgery repair his face and has a glass eye from life not ashamed to show and tell who he survived unfortunately passed away in 7 grade.
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In Denmark where i live, we did the last lobotomy in 1983....
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Hey should i be worried youtube recommended me this video
Ah yes, the ‘ol human “off switch”
My god your right
It's actually more like a kill switch, since this "off" switch can't be turned back on.
I prefer two bullets in the brain...
It's kinda like using a pen to press the reset button on your calculator
@@edi9892 ... two? is this a zombie or something?
It's like demolishing your own house because you found some bugs in it.
Considering this was the era of strategic bombing doctrine, yes. The old days were industrialized, and brutal.
You know, at least that makes sense depending on how many bugs or what bugs were in it
Unlike taking out your freaking brain
I think It's more like literally tearing your PS4 apart just because you hated a video game.
Demolishing the whole house but keeping the front porch and a single toilet because why not.
Yes. That's a great analogy. And so true!
''Sir, the patient claims he's depressed, so let's go ahead and make him feel nothing at all.''
@Daniel Kutovoy Bit of an overstatement, but I guess it also depends on dosage. More like apathy than being emotionless
prozac in a nutshell
Id prefer it, tbh. Either be too stupid to be sad, or too sad to keep on living
@Daniel Kutovoy Antidepressants dull emotions for a little while but in the long run they are very beneficial and the emotions return. Depression is caused by neuronal death in the hippocampus and antidepressants help stimulate new neural growth in that area. So yes, it sucks for awhile (I know from experience unfortunately), but in the end your brain isn't dying anymore!
@Daniel Kutovoy depends on the antidepressant. when i was depressed and i took one type (i cant remember which medicine) it made me more depressed and angered me quickly, it changed the way i think for the worse. you ever heard the expression "id rather feel pain then nothing at all"? it made me not feel as much emotion, so i quit taking them, and 6 months later i stopped thinking about suicide. Some anti-depressants work for some patients, but the trials you'd have to go through are not worth it
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"can't have a mental illness without mental cognition"
-Nobel peace prize winner.
Did he really win a Nobel prize
@@SumriseHD the original creator of the lobotomy, not the transorbital variety it was different and just as bad, did in fact win a Nobel prize. The argument the Nobel award committee make on why it should not have been revoked was that it was created in a time where there was absolutely zero alternatives and it did "help" to a degree in making people more manageable, not necessarily better.
He is also from my country... and there is even an Hospital named after him
Obama won a Nobel peace prize for doing absolutely nothing. So the Nobel prize isn't worth anything anymore. If I had one I'd throw it in the trash.
@@unsafe_at_any_speed at least Obama didn’t mentally stunt millions of Americans.
Right?
My grandfather had early onset Alzheimer’s. He was taken to the Selkirk ( Manitoba) mental hospital in 1949. We found medical records stating he had a lobotomy done. Makes me so sad.
I'm so sorry.
Most of the time the brain can go around damage quite a long time, but with such a procedure done.. I'm sorry this happened to him :((
What's even sadder is that there are like 8 different types of lobotomy....
I have records that indicate the procedure was done and pathology showed Alzheimer’s. I have never actually been able to obtain the actual operative report or pathology. Apparently there was a fire that destroyed a lot of their records.
@@cmensch5 medical records from Selkirk Mental hospital from the time hew was committed up to his death
May the Lord have your grandpa in Heaven, where there's joy so great even the most gruesome injustices fade in comparison to it.
For anyone that didn’t know, JFK’s sister, Rosemary underwent a lobotomy at age 23. She was left with the intelligence of a two year old. Truly a tragic story.
Fascinating and sad
@@soyboysupreme6190 According to wikipedia, she also had violent ourtbusts and severe mood changes. I'm not saying that justifies it, it's horrible, but apparently there were other factors besides "sexism".
@@stingymcduck5450 Okay, so it was a combination of sexism and idiotic ideas of dealing with her psychological problems that lead to this
@@soyboysupreme6190 Terrible combination.
@@stingymcduck5450 your mostly correct she was bipolar (something not understood back then) and she diddnt act "like a lady" these things together are what caused JFK senior to have the procedure done without the knowledge of her mother who attempted to take her own life after finding out and she diddnt speak to him for about 12 years afterwards until he had his stroke and lost the ability to speak and walk. Even with his stroke she still hated him and its widely believed she neglected to care for him leading to an earlier death than expected.
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When I was a kid growing up in the 50's and 60's, out neighbor's Son had been given a lobotomy because he was prone to anger outbursts and was considered uncontrollable. The sad thing is, he probably was autistic and would have more than likely responded to therapy. I remember my Dad (father was a teacher and worked with mentally challenged children) being so upset when he found out what they did to him. I use to see him walking around at night, he would just walk around the block over and over at night.
That's unfortunate indeed. Considering how you were a kid from 50s-60s, this was bound to happen. A really uncomfortable procedure :/
Probably searching for himself.
So what happened to him after the surgery?
@@hat7475 more like absolutely horrible
@@minxywaters1767 true. I'm sorry, it's just that I commented when I heard of this the first time and it really made me uncomfortable thinking about the syringe through my eye socket but now, I realise I should have put more emphasis on it. It's very horrible and terrifying.
"It's a horrible, horrible procedure"
Meanwhile upbeat music in the back.
That's what I was thinking 😂
That's the sound u hear when u get a lobotomy. Worst music ever
yeah I also did not appreciate his TV/ad tone of voice. I think the subject requires sobriety if not sternness.
Fancy seeing you here Javier 😅
I didn't even hear the music til I read this comment
The bodies in the background vibeing
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Those bodies were donated to science and medical research.
Laura Huynh I am aware. What does that have to do with the fact that they are dead?
Damn wish I was in their level 😫🤭
nyx big mood
This method of medical relief was truly FIRING, I can't believe they would ever think to jam an ice pick IN someone's brain. This is one of THE most unimaginable procedures ever, making a HOLE in someone's head is insane.
"fire in the hole"
is what i would say if i was clinically mad
@@doorsgaming01034FIRE IN THE HOLE
I can't stop thinking it.
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Insane? Like the geometry dash difficulty?
My great grandmother had one. My mom describes her as lacking all emotion, good or bad, just going through the motions of life.
Heck
:(
Was it because of religious reason?
That's horrible. I always thought it was done like in 1600s and 1700s never knew it was done still in 1950s
@@chad7554 Nope.
The closest you could get to removing someone's soul.
Well said!
For christian belief, soul is the center of emotions, rationality and stuff.
Since know nowadays that the frontal lobe is responsable for exactly that, you can say that lobotomy is separating the flesh from the soul.
Hb 4.12 talks about the word of God being able to separate the spirit from the soul.
More like separating the mind from the body. But i guess it's also debatable.
It's just brain damage
Closer and more real than the idea of someone’s soul. The soul doesn’t exist unfortunately
This is literally one of my worst nightmares. My brain being mutilated while I’m still awake, aware that I’m losing myself and not being able to do anything about it. I couldn’t even imagine how horrifying that must have been for the people who went through it.
They made them sing sometimes so they knew when to stop (when the words became complete nonsense)
you wouldn't be able to care after it's done
@@minxywaters1767 I think that's genuinely the most horrific thing I've ever heard.
@@sonya1500 Well, JFK'S sister allegedly cried, yelled and hammered her fists against her mother's chest, after seeing her for the first time after a lobotomy.
We might describe some disabilities like "with the mind of a two-year-old" or other metaphors but these people do have memories and thoughts that are similar to non-disabled people.
Comparing it to dreams, you can't escape, might be more aptly. Confusing messes of information, sensations and feelings while not being able to communicate effectively with your surroundings, sounds nightmarish.
Especially, when you used to read books, have friends, articulate yourself well and suddenly you end up in a care center barely doing anything for 24 hours a day every day.
@@ononono7016 there's always time for a second lobotomy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2020: ooh interesting 😲
2023: 🔥 IN THE 🕳️!!
dang that’s awesome, that’s fantastic, that’s *FIRE IN THE HOLE*
@@BuffedAcheron agree
Screaming in public restrooms prank
2020: "lobotomies bad"
2024: "gender-affirming mutilation good"
Yup
Fire in the hole!!!!
The fact that there was no specialized medical tool used, and instead they used an ICE PICK, a type of hard sculpting tool, to essentially kill someone’s soul is mind boggling.
Haha mind boggling you're funny
The pen is mightier than the sword. It took 2-in-1 tool to destroy someone's soul :(
if you've ever been in the ER for emergency surgery, it almost looks like you're in a carpentry shop
@@harrybaals2549 That's so funny to me. People in general have this image of surgery being a very delicate thing (which isn't untrue), but then you look at orthopedic surgeons and they use hammers and power tools.
@@skolkor for me they used a stapler. a medical stapler of course, but still. it's funny thinking that something as mundane as a stapler saves lives
Thank you for this explanation. I knew the idea of a lobotomy, but seeing it explained using the real physical structures is so helpful. My husband's great uncle returned from WWII in a state of "shell shock" as it was called then. Medication and therapy wasn't nearly as developed as now and his doctor ended up giving him a lobotomy to make the symptoms go away. It worked, but unfortunately it took away nearly all of his personality. He was completely dependent on family to live with because he could not care for himself. He lived for almost 70 years post-lobotomy, first with his mother, then his sister, then his nephew, then my husband and myself. He outlived so many people that by the time he was "passed down" to my husband's dad no one knew what he was like before the war. Recently some old photos were found and we all cried happy tears to see that he had a real life before the war. He never married or had children, but he had friends and what appeared to be a girlfriend. We recognized his 93 year old denture-laden grin in the brilliant smile of the young man in the photos. In the 70s and 80s he learned to use the lawn mower and would do the neighbors' lawns for pocket money. My husband being just a little guy in the 80s would walk with his great uncle down the street to share fries and a shake. It was their weekend routine. He seemed functional because he could use the bathroom on his own and rummage in the pantry for food, but he couldn't be left alone because he would try to remember how to cook or he'd move the family sofa to the backyard and hose it off (he did that, and explained that it was dirty and needed cleaning). Though his former personality and most of his pre-war and war memories were gone, he remembered some people, I think he just knew who "his people" were and stuck with us. I wish the lobotomy hadn't been done to him, he seemed like he was an incredible guy in the photos. During his years with us he was a handful, like a preschooler in a man's body, but he was also a blessing. I'm so glad this isn't done anymore, it is unthinkable what was stolen from him. If meds and therapy were better then he could have gone on to have a real life of his own. At least he had family to keep him though, he wasn't locked away broken and alone. He was an honorary grandpa for several generations and we like to think that being with family all those years is what kept him healthy and living for so long.
Long story, all to say thanks for really showing what really happened to sweet Uncle Frank.
Such a heart wrenching story! I'm almost moved to tears reading this. Can I just read out this story of your husband's great uncle in a video that I'm going to make on the horrors of War ?
Moving story. Wish it did not happen to the gentleman 😔
My sons name is frank. Im so happy that will never happen to him
Wow... thanks for telling your story such a pity for this to be done to him but as you say he wasn't locked away somewhere.and was lucky to have such a positive and great family.. love from Glasgow Scotland xx
jennifer have a bunch of babies with blue eyes and keep them that way
Had to pause the video to appreciate that he was holding someone’s brain. Once someone’s personality traits, and an entire lifetime of experiences in the palm of his hands. Crazy stuff.
I’ve never seen a human brain before so it looked like he was holding a model and then I realized that it wasn’t
Funny lookin squishy pasta ball
@@anima.7750 yum yum
you mean half of its lifetime experiences... jk.
@UCuxCNNy_Vb4kl6Ry_dWMb8Q no it isn’t you dickhead, it’s from a female cadaver.
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The operation itself is horrifying. But the fact that SO MANY of these were administered against the desire of the individual being lobotomized is even more horrifying.
RIGHT!?
only in your country smh
just like how we still force people in buildings with other struggling people and torture them into compliance while we find the right drug ratio to make them productive and stop bothering people for real help.
@@2-u what's wrong with you?
@Glitched Effect Which country is that? While Norway had less than the US, per capita they did it 2.5 times as often. The UK while have half as many lobotomies performed as the US, they also had a higher per capita of them performed considering their populations.
him: *smiling* this is by far the worst thing i’ve come across
Yeah it's weird how you just get used to the crazy things in your job
You have to be willing to turn somebody into a shell of themselves :D
Looks like an uncomfortable smile, kind of how you chuckle at an awkward situation even though you are screaming internally.
Ya big baby
Worst thing; does he not know about trepanation? The predecessor of the trans orbital lobotomy.
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”They did lobotomies as late as the 1950s which is mind blowing”.
Lobotomy was used on mentally handicapped children until 1983(!) in Denmark. The Scandinavian countries was ”best in the world” on this procedure.
Glad i was born in the 2000's then cuz I'm high functioning autistic and have ADHD
in the US
Fact:
The 1949 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was awarded to Dr. António Egas Moniz 🇵🇹 for his discovery of the theraputic value of lobotomy in certain psychoses.
@@jeromerox9999 Walter Freeman performed his last lobotomy in 1967.
In rare cases its still performed
i can stomach a lot of stuff and i find human anatomy so interesting but lobotomy’s still make me so uncomfortable and squeamish
I can relate
evelina rose same here
*Lobotomy*
Well,there is worst things that this in human history:(
It’s an utterly barbaric procedure, imagine this being performed awake with no anesthesia? I would just beg to be put out of my misery.
The Canadian singer, Alys Robi, had two lobotomies against her will. All of that because she was depressed. She said she woke up feeling better without knowing what happened, and then realized she was one of the rare cases of successful lobotomies.
define successful in this case?
@SimpleJack
Alive and not stupid.
@@simplejack1360 Those are more or less her words. I guess successful as in she was alive and not depressed anymore. But still aweful.
@@hugobourgon198i wonder if it can be adapted in a safer manner into advanced medical sciences
@@hugobourgon198 "Je me réveillai guérie et j'ai compris plus tard que j'avais été un des rares cas réussis de lobotomie" (I woke up better and later understood that I was one of the rare lobotomy success stories).
i know why this got recommended to me
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Id be interested to learn about what a headache is what and where it is effecting and the difference between a headache and a migraine such as when I get a migraine my eyesight is effected ect
Kerri Deller I second this!! I’m very curious as well
This
The brain has no nerve endings, so there is no pain in the brain. Its the tissue between your brain and your cranium that is what is hurting when you have a headache
@@cringystingy8025 thanks for the info!
Migraines are in themselves a fascinating phenomena.
I read lobotomies were also used on people with ADHD back when it was misunderstood. Parents would use it on their kids that couldn’t control them because they were always hyperactive.
And lots of women, especially outspoken ones...
I wonder if they ever tried cocaine?
I have adhd and the thought is terrifying
Same man
This comment is why youtube needs to bring back dislikes edit: wtf did i write this
Him: “Now Im not gonna puncture the brain...”
Me: *Poke it. Do it now*
He shouldn't
@@tarantula1337 Dew it
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As someone with autism that wasn’t diagnosed until later in life, as a child I was noticeably different in my interactions with people, and to think THIS could’ve been my fate had I been born in the wrong place at the wrong time is fucking horrifying.
I have adhd that was missed as a child (diagnosed at 24, I am also female which is probably why). While that sucks now, it would have been a blessing back then
Same, though in my case it's tourette's and ocd.
@Ale Alfini oohhh thats interesting! How?
I have schizophrenia and I feel the same
I have Asperger's. And yes, like you, I have always been different from the others. I always have struggled with depression also. I guess we would have been shoo ins for this so called "treatment"
It was not medicine, it was torture and mutilation.
It was a forceful nazi procedure.
Burial at Sea knows where it's at, using it as an actual torture method
The idea behind it was for medicine. Doctors didn't just think "wouldn't it be funny if we stuck an ice pick in mental patient's brains lol", they did it because they believed it could help reduce the symptoms of mental disorders and illnesses. There was reasoning behind it, but like the majority of past medical procedures we now realise that reasoning was very flawed.
@@idot3331 It was indeed meant for medical use but later on most likely for torture and don't forget hookers and other sick shit, but it;s still fascinating :) to just turn-off a human without killing it.
idot joseph mengele kind of medicine...
Child: *has autism*
Doctors: your free trial of emotions has ended.
Cant have emotions if no ones home
They'd give out lobotomies like it was candy. Even if they had no disorders of any kind, why bother disciplining your child when the nice doctor will turn him into a nice well behaved living room decoration for you?
@@archkull It's so fucked up
@@archkull I would much rather have a child with autism and raise them like any other person would raise their kid, instead of having someone scramble their brain and turn them into nothing less than a human.
@@crickey2399 Yeah exactly. I was being sarcastic.
gd players watching this:
Patient: "Hey doc, I've had a terrible headache for the past two days now an-"
Doctor: "Must be a demon. Nurse, prepare the lobotomy table at once!"
Naw naw, demons are removed through trepanning. This is 1st year of med school stuff
@@fnfdmgjfndf but before that we must reduce the symptoms by blood letting the patient. at least 2 quarts
Well for that they just drill a hole on the top of your skull without damaging the brain and send you home. The top of the skull so the demons can escape, obviously.
"Scalpel?" "Scalpel." "Bone drill?" "Bone drill." "Leucotome?" "Leucotome." "Mallet?" "Mallet." **Chonk**
@@kyle18934 There is an hepatic condition (I can't recall the name) that doctors recommend blood donation for. Nothing excessive, just the regular 1 pint every six weeks. The article that I read stated that it works great. Cool!
Is horrible that the doctors who made the procedure would call the patients “nice household pets after operation” just horrible.
Modern medicine is basically limitless perversion and mutilation until you get it right.
Its why i dont trust fauci or the nih or cdc. Theyre ALL evil. They dont care about saving people, they used to do this kinda shit
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Please don't call them "doctors"
My grandmother underwent this procedure in the thirties. She finally passed when I was 14, but I never knew who she was. She was simply alive with the motivation of a houseplant. Sorry grandma. It saddens me when I think about it.
gosh so sorry for your loss. prayers to you in Jesus name ❤️
Sounds like waffle tbh mate.
So literally me but without a lobotomy (I have the motivation of a houseplant)
@@tomjones6106waffle? Really man someone's telling their story and you're just calling it waffle
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I remember watching a documentary where studying doctors would learn the names of the bodies they studied in school. Outside the room that housed the bodies, they would write notes thanking the person who donated their body to science. Those people in the back of the video are amazing for donating their bodies.
Tbh i would probably do the same. When you are dead you are dead, might aswell give your corpse. I might consider to make sure my body will be used by them !
I have documents filed in three U.S. states for donation. I've had some weird illnesses. I hope it helps !
Agree
@@hsur3844 if you do forward with this please go directly through a university. The most prominent cadaver donation companies are for profit and will "rent" parts of your bodies to basically any organization for God knows what. There was actually a case of a cadaver being dismembered and an autopsy performed for the entertainment of the paying crowd. The people in attendance were not people studying in school, rather people who were just curious. That man donated his body for science, not for weirdos directing him. It's sad.
@@andybulldog79 i am still young (26), so hopefully it not soon lol, but i'll make sure.
that fact that he's explaining this so calmly while he has 3 corpses behind him just SENT ME
Lyssie ___ more like 2 and a half 😶 one of them is a cross section...
If ANY of them moved I’d be so out of there !
Where did it send you?
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This is actually too sad as my *lovely* Uncle had this *done to him* after he had a mental breakdown. After the lobotomy - he became passive - but never lived a normal life (chosing to walk backwards when in public with various phobias of water).
After he died I cleared out his flat and there were so many letters when he refused the operation, tried to leave his parents and ended up having it forced on him.
... I miss him and this video shows what he went through. I guess his Dad (my Grandad) wanted him to take over a huge business - the pressure got to him - like it could to anyone. But what Father would do that to their own son? Too sad. They're all dead now :- (
That's HORRIFYING!!! What sadness and trauma he must have felt beforehand but was unable to express it after the procedure. Ugh!
Destroy their tombstone and curse then to hell. 😠
that sounds awful im so sorry, he must've felt helpless
I'm glad your grandad died. Hopefully it was torturous for him. Fucking trash animal.
His father might not have known any better. A lot of people didn’t. It too Thorazine and too many people ruined more than anything for people to realize that it was a poor way to handle issues. Now, lobotomies are handled much differently and very rarely done.
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Absolutely horrific and disgusting that this was ever performed on living breathing human beings.
You say this with 2020 hindsight, at the time this may have been the most effective treatment. Not the right one, but the best at the time. Perhaps in 50 years we will see chemotherapy as barbaric.
@@GabrielGabeRodriguez it is barbaric, we all know that...
It's just like what you said, no better option today
@@GabrielGabeRodriguez Chemotherapy IS barbaric, but it's a necessary evil. Hopefully one day there will be better options for treating cancer and other diseases chemo is used to treat.
Big deal
Fact:
The 1949 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was awarded to Dr. António Egas Moniz 🇵🇹 for his discovery of the theraputic value of lobotomy in certain psychoses.
“It was done as recently as the 1950s, which is another thing that is mind blowing.”
Mind blowing? You don’t say.
Karl Gerat This shouldn’t have been so funny but it was 😭😂😂
It was done as late as 1974 in Norway..
Bad pun
@@roomeo4591 nor fucking way
@@roomeo4591 last lobotomy was performed in 1967 :/
Worst part is that those neurons are still alive. So what it might actually feel like is being lost in darkness deprived of all sensory information, while the body is controlled on autopilot by the rest of the brain.
This is what I imagine dying from a headshot/traumatic brain injury feels like. Literally parts of the brain spinning on independently for a while, trying to interpret random noise as their usual inputs, generating outputs that go nowhere and getting progressively desynchronized as they die. Like breaking a timing belt on a running car. As opposed to >80% of ways to die, which result directly or indirectly in brain hypoxia and a very well documented set of symptoms, or death by poisons which are each a different story depending on the substance and dosage. Only that in case of lobotomy that part of the brain is just hanging in there and can't die for the rest of the life of the patient.
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This, is one of my fears. Having surgery be performed against your will, just to leave you like an "obedient household pet" is hella scary.
There were many insane shrews and other crazies who were calmed down by this procedure. It also depended on who did it and how exactly it was done. I had read that one doctor used liquid nitrogen injected into this region to kill the offending parts or brain storm that caused the crazy mood swings and that he had some success with it instead of destroying the personality. Some people are just very unruly and monstrous and in those days they used these methods to permanently subdue idiots with no regard for others.
Yes and back then you could be normal and someone just say you were insane. Then hold you against your will and like you said be a pet. Today they still hold people against their will and remember THEY say you are a danger to everyone NOT you.
@KlodFather yes this was a procedure for the insane, but if I remember correctly, unruly children and neurodivergent people (which I am one) also suffered this procedure.
@@lastchanc3stars that is sad to hear. I hope things get better. Society has a habit of removing problems for every day life and into a hospital, a jail, mental institution, rehab etc…
@@KlodFather Yes insane, just like they burned witches. Imagine some 1800s doctor declaring you insane.
I think whenever Lobotomy is a theme, it must be said that its creator, Dr. Moniz was awarded the Nobel prize in 1949. It shows just how wrong the entire scientific establishment can go on a topic and cause immense, irreparable harm. Monstrous procedure that made the fame and glory of academics in their time.
Geez well it's a good thing experimental medicines aren't being forced onto the general population!
They still do.
Puberty blockers and double mastectomies on minors is adored by the American medical establishment.
Him: its a horrible horrible procedure
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Also him - it’s a “mind blowing” thing. Literally!
What’s wrong with this music?
@@KillerCrewmate2526 nothing, it‘s just funny, because this exact sort of Royalty Free Music is often used on do-it-yourself videos... do I also have to explain why „do-it-yourself“ music is funny on a video about a lobotomy?
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@@Austin-5098so true
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Fun fact: among those who didn’t die, about 1/3 saw “improvement” of their symptoms, 1/3 saw symptoms get far worse, and 1/3 saw no change at all.
Well that's just terrible have a nice day
What would be considered a "improvement" at that time?
@@robeseller6530 the improvement was they no longer showed symptoms but they were left as mindless zombies who had little to no personality. To them improvement was fixing it it/cure. In truth they just lost their ability of higher thinking, emotional spectrum, some even saw lost of fine motor skill and it was seen as a improvement. Some went blind. Ect.
@@robeseller6530 improvement to the people around them, I'd guess. It's like killing them without the moral baggage of killing them.
If there were no benefits, why did it exist?
Thinking about this terrible procedure made me wonder if the reason why some older people were so against openly talking about mental health is because of the possibility of THIS being their fate…
but openly talking about mental health is exactly what would prevent this kind of fate, people were very ignorant (not too different from now, which is a lot less dire) about mental conditions back then
@@individual1st648 they were too dire no
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@@jorgeruiz6855 sorry let me rephrase that, i meant meant that *now* is a lot less dire than *then*
@@individual1st648why do you think the mental health crisis is less dire now than it was back then? Suicide is at a shocking high right now.
Went here after hearing about transorbital lobotomy in Ratched
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Rosemary Kennedy
In her early young adult years, Rosemary Kennedy experienced seizures and violent mood swings. In response to these issues, her father arranged a prefrontal lobotomy for her in 1941 when she was 23 years of age; the procedure left her permanently incapacitated and rendered her unable to speak intelligibly. The Soviet Union banned the surgery in 1950, arguing that it was "contrary to the principles of humanity." Other countries, including Germany and Japan, banned it, too, but lobotomies continued to be performed on a limited scale in the United States, Britain, Scandinavia and several western European countries well into the 20 Th Century !
Even the goddamn soviets, who used living people for poison testing, considered this fucked up. Mind boggling
Well, that was the first time that the soviets were right.
@@aces1053 not the last time though. Get em Vladimir.
@@aces1053 The soviets were light years ahead of the United States in regards to some human rights.
1950 is well into the 20th century too.... so was soviet union actually earlier than other countries?
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Not trying to text anything away from our presenter but his videos are meant to be digestible chunks of info for an otherwise unfamiliar with the subject viewer, just to get a basic idea. College lectures are meant to teach you everything there is to know about a subject.
Deconstruct//Recreate Correct but these video hit very good points
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The fact that this shit was a normalized procedure for a period is so disturbing and horrifying.
Like, HOW does such an inhumane thing come to be accepted into the medical world?
Now we are injecting people with barely tested vaccines. It is considered normal.
@@pcdispatch holy shit I can’t believe you’re comparing _lobotomie_ to a fucking vaccine ? Tf
@@pcdispatch mrna tech isnt even new
Basically just mad ableism/sexism. Looking at mentally ill people as never having the right to autonomy in the first place. In less sinister cases, they probably thought regulating something like bipolar disorder in an adult with this was better than nothing. But I have no idea what patients were told they were getting if they consenting to this.
medical history is very dark, including much of recent and current practice. accountability is desperately needed.
No wonder all of the recordings from the 20's-50's sound so cheery and upbeat. They didn't want to get deactivated.
yeh people was probably too scared to look and feel sad, in case they was dragged off for a labotomy
Interesting point. And such a sad one
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“I’d rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy” -Tom Waits
I'd always heard it as "I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a prefrontal lobotomy."
A full frontal lobotomy or a full bottle in front of me.
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Damn you, I was gonna say this!
EvilBonsai just search for the Tom waits funny moments video, he says it there
We lost a lot of good people to this practice.
Very true
Yeah:(
What a horrible thing to go through,,,,
Like who ? Were they famous people ?
@@JuliusCaesar2005 There's a lot of disturbing procedures out there but this is by far one of the most disturbing. As soon as he explained the 40 degree cut, I cringed and choked. Such a terrifying thing. I cannot imagine even punishing the worst people on earth like this. It's beyond inhumane.
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One of the developers of the lobotomy received a Nobel Prize for the technique. He was shot by one of his patients after one such surgery, but survived wheelchair bound. One of Joseph Kennedy's daughters was said to have received a lobotomy because she was a rebellious teenager. Following the unsuccessful surgery, she spent the remainder of her life in a mental institution. There are numerous horror stories associated with lobotomies. One involved a prominent lobotomist that encountered one of his psychiatric patients in a hysterical state and being restrained by the police. He identified himself to the police as the man's psychiatrist and with police supervision, performed a lobotomy on the spot with an ice pick. Insane behavior by psychiatrists of the era, but true.
Rose had more wrong with her than just being a rebellious teenager. She had a learning disability and emotional difficulties of some sort. The Kennedys just wanted her out of the public eye.
It sounds like a lobotomy was necessary on a person who was so violent and dangerous that multiple cops struggled to restrain him.
so anyone could lobotomize anyone on the street back then by claiming to be their psychiatrist?
My brain cringed in agony.
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Shut up 2.2 lobotomy isnt funny
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because... it has another meaning other than brain-rot?🤯
I met an older woman who had been lobotomized by her husband. She seemed to be able to somewhat function for the most part, but its exactly like he said. It was almost as if you where not talking to a human being anymore. Her capacity to do, well, anything was very hindered. She couldn't stand for more than a few minutes at a time, had breathing problems, and could not control her mouth very well, leaking saliva all over the floor. I could tell that the limited emotion she still felt was sorrowful.
I could barely contain my rage after talking to her. To know that there are people in this day and age walking around having suffered such egregious acts made me feel sick to my stomach.
Was she violent? Abusive? What was the context?
@@TurtleShroom3 He was angry that she had to live with being lobotomized.
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I was asking about WHY the woman was lobotomized, which he conveniently omitted.
The only reason her husband did it was almost certainly because he ran out of options; only Ritalin existed back then, and there were no comparable solutions like what we have today.
Do you know where her husband is at?
@TurtleShroom
Interesting that you instantly try to pin the blame on the victim here, buddy. There's another comment further up about a war vet who received the procedure by his family after being shell shocked, would you chuck similar accusations there? Did he do something to deserve it too in your mind? Or perhaps this is not about the victim at all, but instead about you feeling attacked in place of this random long dead husband you know absolutely nothing about? Despite him only being mentioned in passing, you seem quite desperate to empathize with him and justify his actions, and become extremely opposed to the idea that this guy could have been anything less than utterly sympathetic. Nothing against assuming the best and not seeing malice in every action of course, but how curious is it that in assuming the best in him, you see yourself forced to assume the worst in his wife, who you know equally nothing about as a person? In your mind, there has to be someone at fault in this scenario and if it wasn't the husband doing any wrong, surely it must have been his wife being abusive and therefore bringing her predicament upon herself instead of any other of the hundreds of complex scenarios where one or both or neither partner were sympathetic that are all equally likely in this situation. Whatever it is, you seem to have something to unpack here.
its interesting that everything that makes us human, everything we remember, and everything we control, can be thanos snapped out of existence by damaging one small place in the brain.
Humans are frail. That's why we need to protect them.
Yea and people litterally believe that consciousness isnt in the brain
@@brotothewilliams9890 Conciousness is in the brain,but the brain could be a receiver for the counciousness.Like a radio receives signals for stations
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I've read that the most recent lobotomy (the final one on record) was performed in 1967. There's a memoir, "My Lobotomy", from a man who suffered one as a child. It seems like results would vary, probably in line with the imprecise nature of the procedure- ranging from the extreme end (death of the victim) to mild (somewhat cognitively impaired but still able to live independently in society).
Yeah, I understand people thought this was an acceptable procedure, but the wild variety of results should've raised all the alarms. It's now understood that the data about successful procedures was manipulated to make it seem more effective than it really was.
Basically depending on how much they fucked up around in there.
That was the last recorded one in the US was 1967, but a Canadian doctor who died in the 90's wrote that he performed trans-orbital lobotomies occasionally until he retired in 1983. There is also documented use by militaries on interrogated subjects in foreign wars who needed to be kept quiet.
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I can’t believe nobody thought about how painful or horrific this procedure was.
The brain has no pain receptors.
At worst, it would have been VASTLY uncomfortable, immediately followed by decades of "meh".
@@Letyourcolorsblendwithmine that's like saying that dying is fine because you can't care about it after you're dead
@@Letyourcolorsblendwithmine but all the surrounding organs/regions are very sensitive: consider how you feel sharp pulsing pain in the head when you have a migraine for instance. Not to mention the surgeon would enter through the eye sockets...
@@Letyourcolorsblendwithmineafter the procedure is where the shit hit the fan.
@@tylerg7954A migraine is caused by the expansion of the blood vessels and the pressure it creates on your skull. That’s why it feels like pounding. Whenever the heart beats, it’s expanding those blood vessels.
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2:30 “up here is a very important structure”
*gently stabs very important structure*
luckily I dont think he plans on trying to reinstall this hard drive into anyone...
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“....very important structure called the thalamus”
me: looks like a seahorse
That's exactly what I noticed too, it looks like a seahorse without the curled tail.
I always thought it looks like a humming bird, the cerebellum being the wings :D
I’ve been saying this forever. Also the rest of the brain is the seahorse’s very large hat.
It does
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Most people: Damn, a lobotomy sounds f-ed up.
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my grandmother was a nurse to a hospital who specialized in lobotomies. she has stories upon stories of how the patients were basically dead and numb after surgery, and its so heartbreaking...
Did your grandmother regret her act later years?
@@etherlords88 nurses don't perform surgeries
@@billcipher8645 Doesn't matter. Maybe she was holding them still for surgerie or something.
@@billcipher8645nurses definitely participate in surgeries. not all of them, but many do
Me after the lobotomy
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A truly gruesome procedure, but fascinating to see how medical treatment has changed so drastically
Well,changed?In modern days its nearly same:)
I wonder what will be considered the "lobotomy" of this era in the future. Maybe the exaggerated use of antibiotics or opiates.
Benzos will do this naturally
Chemical lobotomy THORAZINE
Eh. We do equally dumb medical things nowadays no diffrent than they used to do.
As someone who has lived with severe mental illness all my life, including psychosis on several occasions, I am very aware of how people like me have been treated. I was born in the early 50’s and just barely escaped some of the horrors of institutional Iife. It’s not a subject for the faint of heart and the history of these poor victims is appalling. It just boggles my mind how anyone could have come up with a lobotomy as a “cure” for anything! The fortune ones died right away.
Yeah, plus if you consider that many people have undiagnosed psychosis, and they function just fine in society. There is so much stigma surrounding that word, it's ridiculous. People love to create black-and-white categories to judge and condemn people. Granted there are degrees of psychosis just like anything else, with some being severe, but others are mild and aren't visible to other people.
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After 2 episodes of Ratched I'm watching all kinds of things about lobotomy
Me too !!! Idk but it's really intriguing. 🤯
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i tried lobotomy on my dog lets check results in an hour hopefully doesnt go bad
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I was given an illegal partial lobotomy at 13. My mother and stepfather wanted me to be a breeder like my mother. Before the backroom procedure I was elected to the student council, afterwards I had learning difficulties. I also suffered a severe infection and fever afterwards. I still refused to be a breeder , but was drugged and forced into prostitution all through my life. Another girl had the procedure and lost vision in one of her eyes. This really is an awful country when it comes to protecting children. The procedure was done on me 50 years ago. I have developed compartmentalized thinking and some days I don't remember all I've been through. There was the always the added threat of "them" killing my younger brother. I also had many ECTs , hundreds, and many head injuries,as my stepfather was a sexual sadist. If I could have remembered all I went through I would never have married and had my children, although I love them. I definitely would have never let them near my children, but I didn't remember what monsters they were.
My son is still paying the price. Some of the most religious people you meet have evil secrets.
I don’t know what to say. Peace be with you.
you should move to the united states we are enlightened hear
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This GD Lobotomy thing just getting too far
@@TheRaidenShokunwell the meme only spread to all things that have "Fire in the hole" and "Lobotomy" in it
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