GAUGE THE ISSUE: The Conditions Of Carriage(s)
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When I was in the UK earlier this year, the sole biggest deciding factor for visiting the Bluebell Railway versus any other heritage lines was the vintage stock - I'd say it was honestly worth it just for the neat little compartments.
Very interesting insight into this issue!
As a volunteer trainee guard at the Ravenglass & Eskdale Railway, I have to work on carriages, enclosed and open for the paying public to ride on. Not only we guards give them a good daily clean, but also make sure that the couplings and the brake pipes are in good working order. Having visited many heritage railways across Britain over the years, I quite agree that sometimes we steam railway enthusiasts focus so much on the steam locomotives that we tend to take the carriages themselves for granted.
I think it’d be a much greater shame to lose the far older stock over a mk1 when it comes to corrosion limitation and taking priority. As you say, Mark 1’s are everywhere, ubiquitous and reliable, but just not hugely attractive.
I also agree with your comments on the coaching stock being probably more important than traction. When I’ve been to Nene Valley in recent years, the Mark 1’s look so tired from the outside. They’re better inside than out if I remember correctly. But even the blue continental set has started to show rust streaks and blemishes.
It does somewhat tarnish your experience.
Honestly, the older coaches are one of the reasons I adore the Tanfield Railway. A gorgeous little line with small industrial locos and an elegant set of vintage coaches.
I love coaches just as much as locomotives. They need to be more appreciated otherwise we’d have a bunch of steam locomotives with freight trains on the heritage railways. I do my research on coaches whenever I wanna accurately recreate a passenger train on my layout. I takes a while, but totally worth it in the end.
My favourite example of coaching stock not really mattering is the RH&DR. Their carriages aren't based on anything whilst their motive power is. Does anyone care? No, because the novelty of their locomotives is enough to draw the crowds. Carriage stock is needed to carry passengers, but being different is not a necessity.
back when I was 16, my introduction to the world of volunteering was via the carriage and wagon department of the Bluebell Railway, and it immediately became obvious to me that it is the carriages which are are the essence of the travelling experience.
Although to today's average punter, even a typical mk1 can see quite exotic, once they clap eyes on, for instance, a rake of Maunsell carriages, the allure is obvious. As you say, Chris, I've watched punters on the platform at Horsted Keynes turn on their heels away from the mk1s, and rather board the train of all vintage carriages pulling in from the opposite direction.
punters love glamour and quirkiness, and that is what vintage rolling stock gives them and always will do, and that is why I've put a fair bit of money into OP4.
Another great video. I think Bluebell have it right with a mixture of Mk1s and vintage to cater for all , I try to go on both when I visit. Ive also noticed the condition of carnages on most railways has greatly improved over the last 30 years. A credit to all who work on them
Vintage Carriages Trust at Ingrow on the KWVR do excellent work restoring and maintaining their eclectic fleet of carriages and rolling stock including a WM DRB!
Lost it at "Pipedream". Haven't had a good laugh that early on a video in years.
At the Severn Valley Railway we are currently working on some interesting carriages one of which is a disabled access converted gwr collet buffet carriage and a kitchen carriage to add onto the GWR sets. These are currently being restored at Bewdley carriage and wagon department along with the goods wagons that are also restored there and are due a new storage shed in the future to preserve them for the future.
As always Chris another terrific video. Thank you. It's especially significant to me as I live in Australia.
Again, thank you
Fantastic Chris all types of coaches are good in my eyes
once again a very well balanced video. the Mk1's are not a s characterful as some of the pre-1948 stock, but speaking as a guard, the design of the brake van is fantastic.
Thanks buddy
I'm with you on the MK1 brake design. Though I'll say that an SECR Birdcage is terrific fun!
Very good points well made. I love riding in older coaches and often chose them over a mark 1, however as you point out mark 2s are no spring chickens now. Intercity and Network Southeast are now regarded as heritage and riding behind a 47 in an air con mark 2 is a recreation of a bygone era just the same as a terrier with some 4 wheelers. There is certainly room for both.
Or one of our austerities as I work dean forest railway, but thank you very much for bringing us up.
I remember reading the Railwy World in the 1960s when there were letter writers complaining even then about the few carriages being preserved as opposed to locomotives. I appreciate the difficulty ever since the 1960s of providing carriage sheds.
Chris,
You raise some interesting points and overall I completely agree with what you say.
Judging from your video clips you have visited the Midlamd Railway Centre (Butterley) in Derbyshire.
It's worth noting they have some of the most wonderful and elderly items of stock in existence.... rotting away under bushes.
The issue as I see it is most lines seem to operate in a way that donations only go to one place (tea room or loco restoration) rather than one large cash pot that can be used to fund all and any work required.
As for the running of vintage stock, I feel it's best kept "behind glass" throughout the year and only brought out on soecialecent weekends in summer.
That increases demand to see it operating, can increase available funding for future restoration work (extra ticket sales) and keeps it safe from inclement weather throughout the year.
Would be interest to know your thoughts.
Cheers,
James.
I worked at the Carriage & Wagon works Derby from 1957 to 1967. I often think of how some heritage railways dealt with the blue asbestos that was sprayed to interior roof spaces during this time frame. Does anyone know the answer?
We pay licensed contractors huge amounts of money to deal with it. The worst was actually stripped out back in BR days.
the Bluebell built my love for carriages, volunteered at the C&W dept for a while when I lived nearby and it was a great experience. I always saw their use of Mk1s as just for accessibility and to be able to run more trains, you ultimately still go to ride the old carriages
Thank you Chris I've only recently discovered this series. Very interesting.
Thanks for the video, Chris. Very interesting.
I've never really thought about coaches in general, but I now think they look really nice, especially pre-grouping ones. I hope railways can make good use of carriages still sitting around or turn them into a home like in the Thunderbolt.
Who would have known that compartment stock and pre grouping stock would be the saviour of the railways in the current pandemic. Crazy eh.
When Maunsell Third Open S1381S was returned to use at Swanage this year I personally heard comments from visitors saying how lovely it was. I think certainly vintage corridor stock as a place to have something different in the formations at least...
I went on that one, I believe. Very nice.
I would love to travel in pre-grouping coaches one day. The pre-grouping coaches are unique, vintage and make for a more atmospheric atmosphere. They have more interesting liveries and make a journey more memorable, as well as fitting with with pre-grouping locos (which I think are gaining more interest in present day).
No word of a lie here, but the being stuck in a compartment with screaming babies when you just want to relax is something I can often relate to.
One day in the future, we're going to reach a point, where it's going to be far better to build brand new modern standard stock, that looks like it's from yesteryear, then it is to restore actual yesteryear stock.
Foxfield Railway runs both BR Mk1 and, once per month, the Knotty Train of three 1880s wooden bodies compartment coaches, one of which is adapted for wheelchair users.
Its a big irony that the classic non-corridor stock came to the forefront on some railways when the first lockdown services started last year...
Yeah, it's ironic alrite. It's gotten people talking and (naming no names) had plans at some places revised
As a former tram driver, I can confirm that people will pass up more modern equipment for the historic given the chance. I heard that one night a group passed on boarding our 1970 car (and getting out of the rain) and instead waited another half hour for a ride back downtown. The other car running at the time was originally from 1913 IIRC.
Also will there be a episode on Wagons. They have less love than coaches!
I think it depends what the issue with them is.
Yes they have less love than coaches, but they're not eligible for passenger operation so they can't earn their keep. Hence they tend to receive less priority from an operational and commercial perspective.
Chris Eden-Green that is true for many wagons but what about (pardon the American) boxcars and flats. They have roles that societies can benefit from being great for storage and also can be used in revenue earning photo freights and special moves. I don’t know about standard British open top wagons as they are equivalent to Gondolas here on the states (we have one that stores diesel blocks and a flat car of wheels and tires) but they could do a similar job. Or store coal in bulk for societies.
@@ChristheXelent You say wagon can't earn their keep, but with photo charters (love them or hate them) and as additional trains at gala (a la GCR) they can provide an extra attraction that people love to see, and create a more immersive experience.
Aside from the operational side, as engineering vehicles they can earn their keep in one job, be that bank slips, re-sleeping, track relaying or as a water bowser.
@@DrChooChoo109 fair point, but it can depend on the wagons in question.
A fleet of Grampus open wagons can indeed earn their keep on P-way trains. But a Windcutter rake of 12 mineral wagons or more may be a bit excessive in that regard; nice as they are to see.
The GWR R.A.F Propellor wagon at Didcot can no longer serve its original purpose and its awkward shape may not make it the best storage facility.
Also, while photo charters are wonderful, the financial rewards don't always seem to be apparent as most of the fees tend to go towards the engine. 30472 Charters have endured losses and cancellations this year due to lack of interest and attendees.
Still, it's another case-by-case matter
All heritage railways need to invest in rolling stock sheds.
You wouldn't leave your mother out in the rain and snow, and neither should you treat these grand old ladies any differently.
Well, if you're going to dole out a lesson, pay for them then.
The railway i volunteer at (Embsay) makes regular use of vintage coaches. Up until recently the main set in use always had an l&y directors saloon attached at one end. Next year i think an lnwr 12 wheeled saloon will be in use instead. Queen Victoria's royal saloon was regularly in use on daytime dining trains during the summer for the provision of premium afternoon teas etc.....
Also, our last 3 running days in November were operated by the 1903 NER autocar
Does help that the railway is the base for Stately Trains, a cracking example of an organisation passionate about vintage coaches and their restoration....
finding a single compartment (non corridoor) on southern region in the 60's was always easy for me as a schoolboy. Ok it was an electric train but oh the joy of having that compartment to yourself, schoolboys did tend to lay in the luggage racks and get chriss cross dust blazers as a result, a long long ride, then hop accross at the right station and ride back to your intended destination, happy days.
That's a great story
I was talking to a chap who bought a carriage from BR. BR then asked whether they could buy back the underframe. He agreed when he heard the price...it was more than for what he bought the entire carriage!
Honestly, I would love to ride on a true LNER train. Such as LNER Teak being pulled by Sir Nigel Gresley, or Flying Scottsman.
Could you do a video on weather or not it will be posable to operate steam locomotives in the fiture. I am concerned that in the future we will not have the materials needed to operate them, like coal, oil and grease.
I know any steam loco boiler ticket is 10 years but how long can coaches go before they need an overhaul?
The Festiniogs coach fleet is probably a good example of this.
Informative and thought-provoking GTI, Chris. Thank you for doing something a little different. After all, carriages are the 'public interface' when travelling on heritage lines, rather than the steamy motive power. And yes, I think the public DO care what they're travelling on. Or at least, should have a choice, as you pointed out viz the Bluebell. Please do more GTIs/SLIPs on other aspects of railways, not just locomotives. For instance - wagons and goods stock. After all, they were the very reason railways were invented. But today are often completely overlooked for their historic value or in their useful practical or visual contribution to heritage lines. Photo charters, for instance. Maybe a difficult topic to cover - but the 'missing link' after your stimulating carriage GTI. So go on - I challenge you to make a wagons' roll/role video!
“Across the pond”, coach 20 remains a sad loss in the history of the B&O museum while it’s remains are being recycled for a similar coach
Look at the fox-field railway, they run a train of Victorian “knotty” coaches every once in a while
With the point of the CCT and PMV wagons chassis used for vintage coaches fro heritage railways, it’s the same for The Puffing Billy Railway in Victoria, Australia where various goods wagons and open wagons of Puffing Billy Railway (when it used to be a goods railway) are now converted into passenger coaches.
Compartment stock has allowed railways to operate more effectively during Covis.
Very important
Dammit Chris I need to sleep why ya gotta do this to me
I need to get on with piano practise......
Last year i rode in one of the Severn Valley Railway’s teak coaches
This summer i rode in one of the Dartmouth Steam Railway’s mk1s
I have to say that the teaks were better in both comfort and appearance
is it probable to create a hybrid of sorts, from the BR stock?
Sadly carriages are often seen as pure needed necesarily things to transport paying customers on heritage railroads. Its not only in Britain.
If that stock is also allowed to run on the main lines you have also to cope with additional rules.
For example if you don't have a central locking system you need a guard on every carriage to lock the doors before departure on the main lines.
Luckily the most carriages we have are before WW2. Alot of 19th century 4/6 and 8 wheel equipment was converted after the war from a Wooden compartment body to a steel coach (Germany Umbau wagen ) or goods/freight van's body.
So old pre war Chassis are no issue to maintain on the mainland.
Older chassis from wooden carriages where massivly converted to goods wagons to rebuild the continent. We found out that a 4 wheel split hopper we use to maintain the track had already 4 lives since 1890! Started as a 4 wheeled 3th class compartment carriage, after the war converted to a goodsvan, in the 1950 converted to a coal truck and in the 1980 converted to a hopper.
The question like always is how to preserve a historic carriage?
For Example a 1908 Rivited Pulman CWL Orient express coach was converted to a restaurant car in the 30's
After the war the coach was restored from wardamage and got a partly welded exteriour.
Later in the 70's after the CWL sold of the coach to a big private chemical companny who used it to drive clients on their factory railnetwork to show them the installations.
The kitchen was modernised and the restaurant interiour was converted back to the 30's interiour.
The in excelent condition being carriage was given as a stewardship to the heritage railroad in 2010.
There are new builds of locos all the time but why are there no new builds of coaches.
Usually when deciding which railway to go to I'll usually look if they have any stock other than mk1s, they are a bit boring. Thing that annoys me the most is that most heritage railways I've been to that only use mk1 coaches usually are really dirty inside and uncared for yet the locomotive footplate will be in near pristine condition. A lot of these places seem to forget that the paying passengers don't ride on the footplate
One sad case of carriage neglect is the Midland Railway Center at Butterley's Pullman #21, one of the very few surviving pioneer Pullman cars left in Britain, designed in 1872 by George M. Pullman himself and shipped in parts for assembly at their own special works at Derby. These carriages represented a major shift in railway comfort in Britain, being some of the first bogie coaches and among the earliest to offer sleeping accommodations (the Lancashire & Yorkshire had experimented with sleeping cars as early as 1868, but had not seen much success with them) as well as being among the first coaches in Britain to allow passengers to move between cars while the train was in motion thanks to the American-style open balconies. In time, Pullman would also introduce Britain's first dining cars, which together with the earlier sleepers and drawing room stock would make up some of the first overnight expresses on the West Coast Main Line from London to Scotland. Not to say they were perfect; British passengers accustomed to compartments disliked the American open-aisle arrangement, and the original 1870's Pullmans were quickly outpaced by more advanced models, some being converted to autotrain stock around 1905. Sadly, very few of the first Midland American Pullmans survive, a few having been converted to houses. MR Butterley has one of the last ones as a grounded body, but it is so badly rotted that debate rages over whether a restoration should be attempted at all as concerns are that disassembly for said restoration could lead to the whole carriage simply falling to bit.
There are loads of preserved Pullman Cars in the UK, but yes, the Midland ones are some of the oldest. The ones rescued by the MRC were already in a dire condition when rescued, and are now stored under cover.
Tanfield railway is another one running entirely wooden bodied Victorian era stock, mostly 4 wheel carriages as well.
It works well for them (and the Middleton) because they are running wee industrial tank engines, behind which a Mk1 looks very bulky and out of proportion.
Great points on the whole issue. In my neck-of-the-woods, efforts to restore passenger cars to more stable usage- aesthetics and functionality, on the excursion front, isn't a priority. I wish it was more of a consideration though.
On the Illustrating Photos, I can think of a dozen better pictures of people to illustrate with, or better yet, photo collages of reduced sized photos, to be better balanced. Otherwise, let's pray coaching stock gets more consideration and love in the years to come.
And now I wonder what the contract clause regarding conditions of carriage says about carriage in carriages of that condition.
Ha, I see what you did there with the Old Rosie joke. As much as I like the drink, it does take it's time before the effects work it's way in-and thats with the first pint.
The Bluebell Dose, have a Maunsell Restaurant Car,
No 7864 waiting to be Restored. Fundrasing is commencing at the moment, according to the website.
Great video but must admit I've never heard of canals influencing the Isle of Wight's loading gauge? It wasn't *that* tight, just wasn't worth altering when money was tight and there were almost always old cast-offs that fitted.
there are at least 2 rail museums in the over here in the US that have hundreds of pieces of rolling stock and halfway decapitated, or fading steam locomotives outside.
obviously people generally care about engines but I love going on those mark one coaches as I do have an interest in them but man some railways supposedly don't look after them good
wish I had everything required to restore such carriages and wagons, like the SECR birdcage no. 1170, the GCR barnums...
wonder about those slam door EMUs, really would like to see them done up and be either loco hauled or battery powered on heritage lines (I'm aware of a few using such stock) but yet I see mere interest in them from others, a shame really
There is nothing that beats the look of a gresley teak coach
Can you please do some irish stuff on Gauge the Issue
i would like to see a Pacer at middleton. And to correct , it was a duo of noddy carriages on PMVs for many years, the third built more recently and a fourth is due to start in build.
On the subject of coaches, anyone else think it's a shame that of the LNER streamliner stock, only the two observation cars are left today? A full rake of streamliner stock would certainly make for a unique travel experience. On my many visits to the Severn Valley, I've found the LMS, GWR & LNER sets to offer the best travel experience, especially when there's a matching locomotive at the head. That said, I do think the MK1's windows are easier to open and close.
And this is why the bluebell uses the old cars(carriages)🙂. I personally am more interested in a railway with non mk1 carriages then only mk1 as why would I go to (insert most mainland standard gauge heritage railway here) when I can go on a railtour and go in the same rolling stock
Speaking as a member of both the L.N.E.R.C.A. and N.Y.M.R. I can speak from experience that the visiting public [of whom pick up most of the bill for our hobby] can be quite discerning, as to the differences and most surprised that it doesn't cost any extra [other than the 1st class supplement, where necessary] to travel in the Moors based Teaks. They also when given the chance make a bee line for them. I had on one occasion had one bemoan having to return to Grosmont in a Mk1 rather than a Teak!
Nice to hear from you Malcolm. Thanks for your input. And thanks to your secretary for helping me in the research for this editorial.
0:24 did you mean pipe delusion by any chance, I personally think pipe dream is too generous for the hyperloop.
In all seriousness though good video
Say Chris, Geniuine question for you, is there any chance of you channel hopping and doing some SLIP stuff on say, french, German or other nation's locos, or is that still currently outside your Budget/scope?
As it happens, we have been doing so on DVD specials.
In 2014, we made a special film on some 3' gauge tank engines for Volume One. In 2017, we made two specials in Germany for Volume Three. Then this year, we made a special in Poland for Volume Five.
I'd love to make them more of a regular feature, but sadly the support isn't quite there yet.
No locomotive built before 1920 should run on a museum line without compartment stock. I have recently researched the era from a railways point of view (read: "The Railway Children"), and until 1916, compartment stock was IT. From a heritage point of view, 2- and 3-axle carriages (the latter known on the GNR-lines as "Bumpers", the Pacers of their day) were standard: this needs to be reflected in serious public funding. Railways are a very major element of British industrial history. Somewhere, this needs to be appreciated also in fiscal terms.
You're right on that the carriage stock is more important than engines. On the railway I volunteer at, our only set of carriages (30s bogie stock like this: i2.wp.com/www.modellrallaren.se/wp-content/2009/03/43.jpg ) are terribly lacking in maintainance, simply because there's too few of us to do the work. They're in dire need of new paint with visible patches of rust, the roof vents have been left unmended, letting water run inside, and the roof and wall panels inside are beginning to rot and fall down, and the interior is very nasty with old curtains and upholstery falling to pieces to where our customers have complained they wouldn't ride with us again. We've been forced to take a number of them out of comission and currently only run two carriages in our trains. I don't know what the future will bring, but the interest in keeping them in usable condition doesn't seem as important as restoring as many engines as possible.
One visitor said to me, quite unprompted, that third class on the Isle of Wight Steam Railway was better than first class on a great deal of Network Rail. People definitely can recognise the genuinely ''heritage'' (horrible expression). Certainly, having almost exclusively compartment stock has been an enormous advantage post Covid also.
I wouldn't pay a brass farthing more to travel first class in a Mk. 1 than in second/third.
Plenty of Hornby OO stock on show there! :-
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There are two different eras represented on the Kuranda Scenic - in the same consist.
Similarly with the Bellarine Peninsular Railway, though there you have a much greater level of torn leather and chunks of missing stuffing.
The Australian Sugar Cane Railway has completely made-up stock.
They all have their reasons for people to flock to them whenever they run.
idc if its 6:01 in the morning on a day with no school, I AM WATCHING THIS.
Carriages are something I have wondered about every now and then. locomotives are something that everyone focuses on but rolling stock doesn't seem to get any attention.
I am not to knowledgeable on british car construction but I worked with Bethlehem built CNJ cars and Pullman built DL&W EMUs. They have construction quirks like the Pullmans all rust in the same sports because of a flaw they never fixed until the 60s meaning keeping up the 30s built cars is tough, the Bethlehem built CNJ commuter cars have window issues and there roofs rot because of sheets put over the clearstory glass back in the day that are trapping water in the clearstory. But they are easier to work on than converted MU cars. But the worse to maintain were wood cars. Strasburg knows how to upkeep a wood car better than anyone. They were deteriorated from the start and you spent most of the time making sure they didn’t fall apart. Luckly when they are restored here they usually last 5 years before a serious look is needed if done right. There is a 1868 built car in the woods that was left there in 53 I want to pull out
In the future , we will put all heritage train riders in box cars with window cut outs
Bluebell has a southern railway restaurant car that will be overhauled when funds allow
Do the plans for the old four wheel coaching stock still exist? Maybe I'm being naive but surely these carriage chassis could be built new for the vintage bodies to be mounted to or would the cost be too prohibitive?
Another excellent GTI by the way Chris.
@@samuelsmith6281 Good question.
Speaking to the GCR's Wagon Restoration Team, words were discussed about new-build carriage and wagon frames and wheelsets. I think it probably boils down to a combination of cost, current availability and ease of maintenance in the long run. Groups may look at the cost of building a new bottom half from scratch with non-standard parts against the cost of modifying an existing wagon chassis with interchangeable bits aplenty.
I feel that while there could be a business case for new-build carriage and wagon chassis', the market may be in competition with what's already available wagon-wise.
Has been done by the Isle of Wight Steam Railway...A second one is progressing well.
It's a good point, I think, a locomotive isn't very useful to have without carriages and wagons to pull behind it. I've often wondered about the viability of taking modern multiple unit stock, be they DMU/EMUs or Tube/Subway stock, and converting them into carriages. Give the interiors and the exteriors a bit of a retro-makeover, take the expired traction equipment out, and they'd be serviceable coaches to use again instead of being tossed away as scrap. Food for thought, maybe...
splendid day out that it undoubtably is, you find this on the dartmouth to paignton railway
I think it depends on how many people you have in your C&W team, and what their skills are. If you dont have anyone who knows woodwork, then steel body MK1s are the clear way to go. At least untill you can build your teams skills up to a point where its practical.
Yes its a shame to see old coaches rotting away in the sidings, but at the end of the day its up to the railway weather they want to overhaul them or not. It all comes down to practicality. Why would a railway want to rebuild a fleet of coaches that seats say 200 people, when they have a fleet of caches that seats 500 for example?
Then theres cost of repair, some railways straight up dont have anywhere to fix coaches at all, storage of said coaches, cost of storage. Theres a lot to consider. And personally in this day and age, I dont think railways care very much. MK1s are easy, and bring in the punters. So who cares about the sad little four wheelers.
Maybe we need a nationwide Pre War Coaching Society or something. Band together and collect all the pre war coaches and store them away somewhere untill funds can be found to fix them up.
There's actually a huge amount of wood in a Mk.1! And the steel structures of Mk.1s now need overhauls, which are much harder for amateurs to do. Coded welders are expensive.
7:00 At the heritage railway I volunteer it, I will make a point of mentioning the "Harry Potter carriages" to any families I see if the corridor Mark 1s are running that day.
I want a video of narrow gauge engine.
Nothing put me more off visiting a heritage railway then grubby uncared for MK1s being an austerity …
Nice
I can agree with the vintage 4-wheeled on CCT and PMV underframes, they don’t look amazing, especially Bluebell’s LB&SCR first.
I'm fan of Pre Grouping and Grouping For those Era of Engines , Yes parts are hard to come buy and Workforce Issues are big point. But LNER Teak and 4 wheel are good for Film and thing from that Era- Eg- The Railway Children,Poirot Tv show, other Doco and thing of the Era, Mark 1 and later Also need for Thing that happen Post War (Prince Charles investiture as Point ) . The Bluebell has age and got some this stock out BR in 1960's. The Isle of Wight Has Loading Gauge Probern and such there Make it Like End of Steam there Got hand Me down Proberns Since 1920's ( Even today Electric's are Getting D-78 Stock Mof to Replace 1938 Stock Which was taken there in 1980's)
Sometimes you wish for a blank check. And an unlimited supply of Teak.
So much good s/h timber from building sites just gets trashed.
10:10 I can easily relate to that. It does tend get on people's nerves.
Pre-1948 coaches grab my attention, they should restore more pre-1948, as they had cariter, AS for the BR Mk1/2 there more functional.
Wow, i’m surprised theres people out there that prefer BR over pre grouping
A lot of people grew up with mark ones in BR days.
Peter Flitcroft But to say that MK1s are much more better then pre grouping carriages is pretty over the top and ludicrous
@@ClamTram96 "Much more better"? Try much more betterer.
@@ClamTram96 well they are better in terms of maintenance, safety and accessibility. But for looks and interior not so much.
People really do under rate the BR MK1s they are loverly to look at, better to Travel in and in the form of the MK1 Open Coaches are more Sociable than Pre-1951 Coaching Stock. People also forget about the South Devon Railways GWR Coaches. As a Regular at the South Devon Rly, I can tell you that they are in a Right State, to the Point were Regular Services were being run by Mainly 6412 on Autocoaches from the Gloucestershire & Warwickshire, Llangothlan Railways. So MK1s Really are not that Bad considering their age and that Like Many Standard Type Steam Locos of the 50s were to a LMS design.
Hold up, Old Rosie is in my opinion a great cider, not just because of the name
Bulieid coaches? Hawksworth's? Even Thompson (Boo, hiss!) coaches? Surely a great blend of old and new. (You did mention Bulieid's, but an expansion on that would be welcome!). BTW, nobody mentions ex-LMS coaching stock - too close to Br Mk1's?
As stated in the editorial, there's only so many tangents you can go off on before you start to repeat yourself. Nice as they all are, there comes a time where just mentioning them without original context is kinda pointless
Sorry. Slapped handy for me! (great video by the way!)
@@robertwilloughby8050 not to worry. No need for wrist slapping. It's fair that you bring them up. Thanks for tuning in
I think the easiest way to someone’s whole thing up is one simple thing it’s what people prefer there are those who prefer obviouslyThe old stock for it looks and originalityBut naturally the obvious problem is no its not is open for say disabled people as modern ones are obviously as I’m just saying now there are those who prefer the new stuff because it’s more convenient and easier to work with I am myself fall in the middle I understand the need for people like the old stuff I understand those who prefer the new stuff I say honestly just let people have what they want if they want to keep the newest staff in circulation and hopefully one day no refix the old ones by let them do that but if they actually want to make the old But naturally the obvious problem is no its not is open for say disabled people as modern ones are obviously as I’m just saying now there are those who prefer the new stuff because it’s more convenient and easy to work with I am myself fall in the middle I understand the need for people like the old stuff and I understand those who prefer the new stuff I say honestly just let people have what they want if they want to keep the new list off in circulation and hopefully one day you’ll be re-fixed the old ones fine let them do that but are they actually want to picks up the old rolling stock then I say let them only when they need to
What I take away from this: diversify carriage sets so there are both older and newer sets.
My take-away: Authenticity for a heritage railway's coaches is very important.
And a Kim Possible reference FTW.
maybe if they had a British rail painted diesel, I say BR Blue Mk1 and Mk2's
I think the public on heritage lines want to go for the coaches they first experienced. And with modern technology, lazer etching or printing could give steel bodied rolling stock that teak effect.
Or, as my grandfather worked as a cabinet level carpenter at eastliegh works, there was various paint techniques used on coaches:- giving paint textures, and various special tools, all used to recreat a very thick, solid, textured range of paints to mimic teak, mahogany, even whole areas that were painted instead of veneer.
As for carriages frames and wheelsets, i dont think average fare paying passengers care.it is the interior ambience that matters. ( apologies to deadicated heritage fans!).
As long as heritage trains are full of fare paying, happy customers ( so unlike the users of modern trains), then thats what matters.
I see a lot of sad looking heavyweight coaches being pulled by locomotives at rail museums
I'd still like to see the bullied double decker coach restored.
You mean all the DD's weren't scrapped?!
@@russellgxy2905 There is still one coach in existence. 4002 on the Northampton shire ironstone railway
Didnt know that, surely money could be found to restore something so unique?