GAUGE THE ISSUE: The Maybe-Not-Quite-So Really Useful Engines
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"Remember Thomas" Said the Fat Controller, "You can never be as fast or as strong as Gordon, but you can be a really useful engine, if you'd stop oscillating all the damn time."
And stop breaking couplings
And if you could see your way to not losing so much boiler pressure, that would be a real help
And here Duncan gets a bad rep for rockin' and rollin'!
@@MercenaryPen Chris only gives once source for this, hardle proof it was compon place, and loco can become a bad steamer if worn, or fired wrong, or handled badly by the driver.
Id be interested in reading/hearing of other footplates crews experiences with the E2x if anyone knows of any. All the chaps I knew who where footplatemen where either ER or LMR crews.
Their predicesors were rough riders to. Seams quite common with 060t locos if not balanced properly, as they aint exactly built for high speed. 40mph was prob the max they could be expected to run, even if they could go faster, but suspect even at 40 they were quite "bouncy"
"If it sticks around for a long time, it must be good, right?"
That is a) not true, and b) especially not in Britain.
"And their legacy only immortalized for the rest of eternity by Thomas."
*shows wooden railway thomas model from 2006*
You aren't wrong.
If Thomas is a E2, he must be a heavily modified one so you know he would’ve still been in use by 2011, the year that last RWS book is set
@@ktsp2538 or, or, here me out here this may sound crazy, it was the style of the early rws.
@@oscarknight3588 yes, Awdry should do Thomas a J50.
@@oscarknight3588 he always looked like a mix of a E2 Ex and Jinty
So they bounced around like Chuggington. On a side note - if a musician makes it past 27 they’ve got a good chance of living as long as Simon
Well that wasn't the case for Freddie Mercury, Michael Jackson, George Michael and among others.
@@Frserthegreenengine, it’s a joke about the 27 club.
@@the4tierbridge I know Just those were the exception
It’s you
It's kind of sad to realize that the locomotive Thomas was based on wasn't all that useful in real life. You'd think they'd at least save one, especially since the design got popularized by Thomas.
Well they made a replica for Thomas
by the time the books and TV were popular, the E2 was already gone. besides, who would want a heavy, uncomfy, hungry shunter that was useless over 5mph?
@@jayk-pianist7532 maybe static display
maybe a new build to fix the issuies
@@pilotbug6100 I’m for a new build to deliver on what the E-2 was meant to provide but couldn’t - a mixed traffic tank engine. I can already imagine the redesign would un ironically mimic the character design by shortening the wheel base, lowering the center of gravity, and enlarging the coal bunker and that’s before boosting the steaming efficiency with additions like a super heater. In hindsight, similar to Henry, the E-2’s were built with far too small coal reserves and janky optimization
@@watch50er I like to think Thomas is a experimental not passed by LBSCR, with a 10 foot wheelbase for the tight curves at Southampton, he proved unsuccessful and was sold off to Hatt during the first world war.
I don't think the visual limits are a significant issue, content like this is as enjoyable and interesting for me. I presume it is also easier to produce, and far less limiting in options.
To be honest with you, I'm glad you decided talk about the E2s. They didn't survive to preserved, but their legacy lives on.
engines, in the same way as people, never die while their names are still spoken.
@@Lemonaitor That's true.
By thomas the tank engine
@@weirdunknownperson2916 Yep.
What legacy?
More please! I don't mind the repeated footage! :D
This was certainly an interesting insight to the E2 and I must thank you for sharing this.
I quite liked this not-exactly-review of an extinct engine. I would definitely like to see more of these. :)
Ooof touching this subject!
In fairness, Rev. Awdry never intended Thomas to be an E2. I believe he was meant to be a J23...?
Locomotionlotion J50
Actually, The original Thomas was based off of an LNER J50.
@@TweetsieRailroader j23 and j50 are the same j23 was gnr and later in the lner they became j50
@@TweetsieRailroader J50 is one of my favourite steam locos visually. Kinda glad it wasn't cursed with "Hey, that's Thomas" disease.
@@pythonprogrammer6773 i agree but in the classic series when the stories were good it would've been great to see him as a j50 though just like you said once thomas became a laughing stock everyone will make fun of the j50
I honestly feel like you can do a second series of videos of sprouting off facts and trivia about engines that are no longer around.
You wittiness and most importantly PRESENTATION is three quarters of your draw for me.
I thoroughly enjoyed this, Chris. very good.
I also Laughed at the Bullied Leader comment lol
I have no problems with repeating footage, Chris. Please do more of these; this one was really enjoyable. Certainly wasn't expecting to see N&W 611 creep in among some of the other American locomotives. :)
I didn’t know a E2 could do 50 MPH! Also I like how you put 611 and 4014 in this.
Always love when a TH-cam Railroader from one country or another gives a nod to the opposite side of the "pond."
I don't think I'd want to go 50 mph in a tank engine without non-drive wheels
To my knowledge, their top speed is 60MPH, though why anyone would want to do that in a 0-6-0T engine predominantly used for shunting and short goods traffic is somewhat beyond me.
@@PGW85Productions Main Line Empty Stock and Return to overhaul/depot transfer movements, emergency if no other locomotive avalible for a freight movement.
@@highpath4776 actually they can do 60mph
Do more of these please. I dont really care about there not being much footage or variety of pictures. I just learning more about locomotives and the railroad.
Would be nice to have a series about the "Mistakes" in Locomotive history.
I enjoyed this style of video! Please don't be put off by the lack of clips/photos. My interest is 90% hearing what you have to say, and 10% seeing the beastie in action, tbh.
Interesting video, I never knew much about Southern's history in the later years of British steam. Now I know why so many S15's are out there, lol
Not entirely sure how i came across this, but hey man I can dig it.
(being completely oblivious about trains and things I had to look up terms like shunting, but in general I think I got the general gist from context.)
How'd you end up here then?
Had you never seen Thomas the tank engine?
@@kdrfcgaming7902 I did that when I was about 4 and kept it up for years, until somewhere between my 8th birthday and 12th. I remember watching a Christmas Thomas episode on video at 8 or so, but by my 12th birthday, I was over him until last May when I got all nostalgic because of Henry political cartoon a Facebook friend sent me. He made it, the cartoon.
I would enjoy seeing more of these types of videos. Great for explaining why a certain class never survived, and interesting to see how crews took to them
It was time for Thomas to leave he had seen everything
He had never seen such bullshit
And he never saw his siblings ever again.
@@islesofforeignrails7917 He cries about them in fanfics, sometimes. Many don't mention them, but usually when they do come up, he's sad. I got a fanfic buddy who thinks his sad face is the worst one because he's so expressive. It may be just a sometimes thing, but quality makes up for quantity. My buddy said if she's reading something in which he gets sad, she sees him in her mind with the saddest look on his face. I'm Thomas sensitive, so when I read or create fics in which he cries, I feel bad if it's not a happy cry. Tears of joy happens to engines in fanfics, including my Thomasverse, like when Thomas arrived at his branch line (an example of tears of joy in my Thomasverse).
I’d love to see more of these! Just cuz they don’t exist anymore doesn’t mean they aren’t worth remembering! Might take some creativity in the editing department but it’ll work somehow
Yes please do more of these! Maybe consider reviewing classes that no longer exist but have new build projects around them?
I'm still waiting on a sole slip of Tornado. The wife of the designer for the original 49 designated it as the 50th member so it counts.
Very interesting, I must admit I only listen to GTI rather than watch so it’s very interesting to hear about locomotives that no longer exist.
Also, brilliant shoutout for 4014 at the end!
Oh Yeah, And let's not forget 611!
@@TweetsieRailroader shes actually coming to my neck of the woods this september and October (611 not 4014)
This was pretty interesting, in all honesty. I usually put these videos on in the background and listen to the audio, until a visually relevant moment comes up. So if you did one or two more of these, perhaps giving backstory to new builds that are under construction/functionally extinct, I'd enjoy them!
Very nicely done there Chris. As a Southern enthusiast this is right up my street. And I can definitely see where you’re coming from on why you hesitate to make a slips episode on extinct engines, but I would still like to see you have a go if at all possible. I think it would be very interesting and something different. Perhaps maybe you could look at the Brighton Atlantic’s maybe
This was a good episode. Very informative and insightful. I'd like to see more like this.
I would like to see more chris as i dont watch your videos for the footage a special effects, i just watch to hear the facts and head your verdict on the engine. So by all means make MORE
I love this style of you reviewing extinct classes of locomotives and i hope you do more in the future
A very good point. Well done and well made. Please continue this series. Might I suggest the LNER P2 before Prince of Wales is built?
“Has peaked much higher” Sees American Locomotives... YES
*Says in stereotypical american accent:* ‘Merican superiority!
(And yes, I am American.)
Big Boy in da House!
no
FutureRail Productions I was motioning to things like the CNJ G3...
I know that he reviews mostly British locomotives with the most American locomotives being the USATC engines but I sincerely would find it interesting if he branched of to do a miniseries of American locomotives, if not just to hear his voice talk about the streamers across the pond
More please Chris. I find it far more interesting watching stuff about the more obscure and forgotten classes than watching something about the Black 5s for example where the info is everywhere. Besideds it your knowledge and delivery that makes these good in my eyes, not the visual content
Once again, top job mate, yes, if you feel you want to do more of these, i'd be interested, it would be nice to explain to people about some of the extinct classes.
I'm glad you made this video, I'm very passionate about the history of the E2s. I always hear people say the E2s weren't very good in fuel capacity. I think your opinions were far, and i agree with all of them. Thank you, learned a lot.
This is just as fascinating as the usual SLIP’s, the repeating footage isn’t to much of a deterrent
Good vid, Chris, very well researched and presented. Loved the Brennan bit. :-D
Poke at the Leader mistake was funny.
Why poke the Lada? My Dad's old one beat a BMW in a race once......well, it was tuned in his own garage. :-D
Doing these video's with mostly photographs still works for me if it helps.
Truly Chris, the repeated footage was no annoyance or bore because I was invested in the information you were presenting. Though I understand your hesitation to examiner lost engines, I genuinely enjoyed this episode.
Brilliant video, would you consider doing SLIPs on a narrow gauge locos?
you know. for what limited resources you had. you did a fine job. i would honestly like more videos like this talking about extinct engines.
This was excellent - most informative - and yes I'd like to see more like it please!
Thanks
Your sense of humor is nice. 10:38 Great video!!!
I did enjoy that, more please 😃
Great video!
Definitly like this as a light series similar to the Sole Slip episodes. Might be good to either highlight lost gems or in comparison to upcoming reconstructions
Heck, if the T1 trust can ever show more than hope, I fully expect something like this on the T1 duplexes from someone similar who does american locos
(Or in may just do one myself: ecpect a lot of Lionel footage used)
"peeked much higher" shows a picture of the surviving UP Bigboy. very nice.
There's actually 8 surviving 4014 is the only one that runs
How has this channel not got more subscribers? Also, would love to see more reviews of the real life engines from Thomas the Tank Engine.
Well, at the risk of being shouted down, I found the cartoon faces over faded out pictures I'd much rather be seeing an annoyance too much to continue past, and so I stopped watching.
I too would like to see more of these. Great video
Think you'll ever do an LNER N5 or an N14/N15 video?
I can imagine that Sir Topham Hatt was able to modify most of his engines to be more adequate. There's no other way he would be operating steam trams, experimental models locomotives and ancient frames to this day.
Good point
I think the NWR was in the same boat as the Southern. I mean, why else would Sir Topham Hatt have low-quality coal, or, if he had an infinite supply of money, why didn't he give welsh coal to his entire steam roster? Why else would Sir Topham Hatt buy BoCo, a Class 28, which was an unreliable diesel locomotive, and Bear, a non-standard Class 35? Why weren't there any dedicated goods engines until Donald and Douglas came along? And how come almost all dedicated freight yards on Sodor are located on branch lines?
I think that you should do this sort of video, but on famous, important or interesting locos like the P2s or the Great Bear, just to name a few
Great Video! A thing that would interest me is why there always seems to be a consistant step between the platform and the train on the british rail network? And why don‘t the seem to change it to make trains more accesseble? I think that could be worth a video.
“Steam technology has peaked much higher...”
*Shows pictures of American locomotives*
Me: Now this, does put a smile on my face.
Why
@@adonaiyah2196 American steam locomotives > literally all other steam locomotives
@@matthewseligman5470 thank you
Matthew Seligman I prefer British Steam locomotives despite the fact O live in the US thanks to Thomas and me being introduced to them 1st
@Robert McGuire Hmm. American locos are more ugly than beautiful, 611 being an exception but even then I prefer the adjective magnificent rather than beautiful.
I enjoyed it, I wouldn’t say produce the “didn’t make it” films all the time. Maybe 2 or 3 a year tops, if the locomotive in question is either interesting or there seems to be a lot of people that like them
I was wondering what happened to the E2s so I don't mind at all. I hope you can do another one. From the last two photos I was wondering, do you do American locomotives? If you do can you do a Gauge the Issue on the Triplexes?
Really interesting! Would love to have more of these!
I would like to see one of these for the LNER J50 I don't know if there is any footage of them or not
I love this kind of video can you do more please ?
Very good and informative. Taught me a lot about certain things - and I know a lot of stuff already!
TBH I want more of engines that never survived. In my opinion you are the best person to talk about these engines.
Weirdly the C4s in their 0-4-0s also lived on in an odd way, I doubt they’d be remembered if it wasn’t for Triang’s 0-4-0s!
"212 locomotives and one mistake"
Aren't you a little too generous to Mr Bulleid here?
Lol good one
Chain-driven locos with convoluted lubrication systems prone to slipping and spontaneous combustion anybody? 😂
@@davidwhiting1761, what locomotive was that. Battle of Britain class?
@@the4tierbridge Any of Bulleid's pacifics in original condition.
@@davidwhiting1761, they spontaneously combusted?
Awesome video!! I really enjoyed it!! And as a American I love that you added 4014 at the end. English locomotives are beautiful and very elegant but nothing on rails is as grand (except maybe the German Schwerer Gustav) as UP 4000's. Would love to see a video on those, or a video of "why English loco are like this vs American loco like that".
P.s. if you did a video on ww1/ww2 railway artillery, that would be awesome too!
Thanks again Chris, please could we maybe have a GTI about how geography, money and time effected steam preservation and how there are so little LNER engines left compared to the GWR.
On your next video can you do the class 28 steam engine
Nice photo for J 611
btw Chris do u like N&W steam engines?
I would love to see you do some videos on American/New Zealand steam.. bit of a step outside the box and maybe a learning curve I know. Would be cool to see you praise a loco all the way through a video for once though 😂
Interesting, I recently walked past one of those Thomas children’s ride things in a shopping centre. ‘That coal bunker’s a bit small’ I thought, ‘he’s not going to get far on that’. While I’m sure the real thing wasn’t quite as small I had no idea what Thomas was based on, but he does seem to share the coal capacity problems of the prototype.
It's possibly a weird topic and difficult to discuss but how about a GTI about which of the Big 4 had the best engine for 'x' task
The E2 feels like the Crusader tank of steam engines, it looks good, but was ineffective in practice.
I didn't know E2s lasted so long, lovely to get some info on them, any chance you can try to do one on the K2s and other Furness engines?
K2's a TTTE basis, too. All the Thomas fans would say stuff about Edward on that video. "Hey, it's Edward" or some such.
I wasn't bothered by the repetitive imagery. The script was very interesting and I learned quite a bit about a railway (the Southern) of which I know little. More please!
Talking about the E2 is like adding gasoline to a fire. The comments are fun to look at.
7:52 Perfect way to sum it up 😂
There are a lot of locomotives that don't exist that would be great to see histories of, but for most of them it is likely there is little to no footage for use. However, there's got to be enough material for say, a GWR Metro tank video.
Thanks for explaining about the E2 I've been always wondering why non of them Survived and it makes sense but they did last for a pretty long time which is nice to know how they're lifespan lasted Especially for shunting and now it all makes sense why they didn't Survive they were as good as they were intended to be they had a bad ride travel a boiler that would go to overdrive, not a good fuel capacity, and not a good ride in passenger trains so it makes sense why they aren't hear any more because no one wanted one. Thank you for sharing this information
Can you do a steam locos in profile episode about the N&W YA6 Articulated? (Of course im only joking)
Oh dear God another rant
Never mind, I was dead wrong. Great video as always 👏
Chris, I would say this differing content (from SLIP and Sole-SLIP fare) is very welcome. I would suggest perhaps doing a loose series on say new builds yet to be completed or even new builds that you (or we!) would like to see built... start with the LSWR H16 type that the Urie Loco Soc are publicly mooting!
Anyways whatever you do I'm sure it will be as entertaining and enjoyable as ever.
The content you created was fantastic. Yeah the footage was repeated a bunch, but screw it! Definitely (should it be possible) make more of these!
I Actually really enjoyed this, it would definitely work better as a podcast in my opinion though.
Can I say something without offending anyone?- joking, but the LBSC is my favourite pre grouping railway because of livery, engines and where I have anscestory, but people think it’s my favourite because of Thomas, WHICH IT IS NOT! So I sometimes keep that opinion to my self.
Ok, Fair point. SLIPS wouldn't work on a loco type that doesn't exit anymore. But... You could do a run down "top ten" style video of your favourite / the most influential / the saddest losses of types which no longer exist.
I would love to see more of these types of videos
They may not have been that good, but you have to admit at least they looked nice.
And TTTE is probably the only reason I am into railways at all.
7:52 This should be the next video; WHAT ON EARTH IS THIS MISTAKE?
It may be this one.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR_Leader_class
A too complicated problem solver
@@Jakob_DK too bad it didn't. The design has features that would be used on all later future trains. It was just badly execution.
What I'd like to see as a result of the preservation movement is a new-build of an E2, but built to a better specification, so that it is actually viable for passenger use, and so that preserved railways can have a real Thomas to use for accuracy on their Days Out, and to bring more kids (and moolah) in as a result of the "real Thomas the Tank Engine" appearing at X railway. I'm honestly surprised that it hasn't been done yet.
Yeah, but imagine an E2 with a Kylchap blast pipe and double chimney...
Just done it. It's HORRIBLE!
Could you do a solo slip on the only surviving war department austerity 2-8-0? Would you in future try to profile Unknown warrior after it is completed? As well IF Thomas had been illustrated as an LNER J50 as his early wooden model was based on ,do you think that would have been a BETTER OPTION, than a E2?
these comments hurt, but a great video as always
They are thinking about maybe building a new E2 tank engine in the future. I forget where but who knows if it's happening. Also, GO T1 TRUST!!
Both projects have embarrassingly ridiculous goals in mind. One to build another “Real Live Thomas” from the wheel up (to paraphrase Simon Martin), and one to break Mallard’s speed record. The biggest problem with the latter being the class of locomotives had way too many wheel slips to even consider the possibility of breaking such a record.
@@AndrewHager02 the problems are worth bringing back the past from the dead. We brought back a British engine from the dead, we can do it again. We also brought back the world's largest steam engine back to life too. Even if there are problems, the thought of bringing back a train from the dead is all worth it for all the railfans
I mean, if you believe a new PRR T1 will be able to break the speed record once the project’s completed, more power to you. I, on the other hand, understand why such a goal isn’t likely to be reached by such a steam engine. But come to think of it, if they, by luck, manage to fix the wheel slip problems with the new T1, I could imagine its haulage capacity being useful for long trains in mix trafficking services.
@@AndrewHager02 the railfans aren't going for speed nowadays for steam engines even if they're streamed in the US, what we're going for is to just see the engines of the past roll again. The E2 will most likely just turn out to be a display piece and not actually run and the T1 will have excursion trains. We're not going for speed, just all and all bringing the past back.
Big Boy >>>>>>>>>>> Pennsy T1.
More please. This is so good
I enjoyed it would love to see more lost loco’s
So strange seeing Thomas and Friends without faces.
Almost creepy
Poor Thomas. He’s an orphan now, or at least doesn’t have a family. He’s the only E2 left, and he’s fictional.
I'd definitely watch more of these even with limited visuals, personally I enjoy hearing about one-offs and oddball engines just as much as ones that are still around, there's a lot to be learned even from failures.
If I had to pick one to drive, however, I'd definitely want a good 'un over a bad one.
The footage was fine as it's interesting to hear your own thoughts backed with the historical context of the now extinct classes.
You finnaly made the video u said u wouldn’t make
Can you do a video on the Union Pacific Big Boy 4014
He might, he just needs enough money for him and the crew to do such SLIPS.
If he talks about the 4014, he has to talk about ALL the Big Boys. There's 8 out of 25 built, and unless UP plans to masquerade 4014 as 4019 with smoke deflectors for a bit, the episode may be a little bit dull, due to 4014 being the only operational Big Boy.
Plus, Chris needs MONEY!!! Flying from the UK to the US is not cheap. And there's the hotel costs, fuel costs if they go chase it for a bit, maybe a number of tickets to ride behind it, etc.
A good video, well made (like all your videos are)
Amazing video, was a joy to watch.