If you can afford only one bike than the enduro is the obvious choice because it's so versatile and you can do literally everything. However for the park I prefer my dh bike, just makes way more fun and gives me more security.
Or have two wheel sets even if you have a more heavy bike even tho climbing would not be ideal with a 16kg bike have a single speed setup for pure downhill use and geared for going to work use but it would mean taking the derailleur off when you want to downhill maybe that's where the wireless derailleur is useful no wires just set I up for typical cross country and have another a wheel set for single speed may mean swapping to a smaller chain link system for it if you plan to take the bike out downhill set It up for it
@@erpol9258 I agree with him, Enduro bikes are relatively heavier and have too much travel, and no remote suspension lockout usually. Sometimes you want to do climbs and ride on smoother terrain, and having 160-170mm suspension for such rides might not be optimal. I'd say XC for sure, and maybe also trail bikes are better all-around bikes.
@@Chkhenkelosaur it depend what you do obviously. Me personnally i'am more dh and enduro . I do some long ride and climb and my 170/170 bike is not the best for that but it work really good for jump, dh and enduro track.
The comments at the end nailed it. It's fatiguing to ride those grades, and by day 3...a DH bike is so much nicer. For mere mortals, I also think it helps you gain confidence, because you do have more forgiveness on a DH bike. That confidence translates almost directly to riding an enduro bike, and you feel more comfortable doing bigger features and more difficult tech lines. DH bikes are just impractical. Enduro bikes have gotten so capable, that unless it's park riding exclusively, DH bikes are virtually useless. I don't think our local shops have sold more than 2-3 DH bikes a year here around Bentonville, and those are all for people who are headed out west to ride a few times a year and don't want to rent.
Save a thousand dollars and get a 4 year old enduro bike. It’ll be much more capable than you are and you’ll have so much fun at a relatively reasonable price!
I rode there lots with a Giant Trance that I swapped in a 150mm pike on, worked great. Whistler flow trails are built so well you could prolly use a hard tail and not need much travel. The techy trails are a bit gnarly but can be done with any mid/long travel fully
Yabut we’re talking about maybe 10-20% of the trails are “can be done” and 80-90% are still fun with mid/long travel fully. To spend $4-5 thousand on a one trick pony is dumb unless you’re racing or live there. A good enduro or aggressive trail bike can ride there and pretty much everywhere else in the world as well. Neil’s comment “this was better on the enduro” part way through says that enduros are actually more capable in some parts of the park as well. I’d take his perspective over most
Mr. ZiggedWhenHeShuddaZagged Yeah, I meant if you had to make a decision toward a single bike for Whistler, go DH. I rode a 120 on the flowy stuff last year, but still... You get mad arm pump on brake bumps, tore up tracks and extended long runs especially if you don't have DH worthy brakes. You can really send some gnar with 220 and walk away with a massive grin on day one. To each their own though.
@@Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged I was talking about those gnarly trails, and i still think that they aren't fun with 150mm. I agree with you on the other part :). I'am a racer so i'll stick to the downhill bike
Enduro bikes are becoming free ride bikes, 170mm front and rear vs 180mm front and rear isn’t really noticeable, but the enduro lines can out pedal free rides with better suspension designs
Downhill would obviously be better on downhill trails but the word enduro pretty much means good for everything so uphill, downhill and everyday riding
This is really fun to watch the week after coming back from whistler. Rode my enduro and only on trails like schlayer did I really wish I was on a dh. Got pretty beat up by the brake bumps tho.
I still love taking the 26" dh bike out still fun to blast on trails.. Enduro i use more 180mm up front 165mm on the rear. Takes the hits well. Lightweight easier to peddle on inclines. Depends more on how i'm feeling when i go for a ride which 1 i take with me
Neil and Blake.... I love all the bike reviews and I love my Ripmo and Fat Bike. I would love to see those DH bikes at Northstar in Truckee for the EWS. It’s nice and Hot and Sandy for those DH’s. Keep Rocking the vids..... 🤘🤘🤘🤘🚴🏼♂️🚴🏼♂️🚴🏼♂️🚴🏼♂️👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🚴🏼♂️🚴🏼♂️🚴🏼♂️🚴🏼♂️
Possible, but not advisable as they tend to be weaker and more maintenance intensive whilst providing little benefits to the climbing due to the seat position and weight
Have both. DH and Trail bike with 160 mm travel. And honestly this summer i preffered the trailbike even at the bikeparks. Its just as fun as my downhill bike at the downhills but the big advantage it can climb.
#askgmbn I'm a newbie (but old - 65!) mtb rider. I bought a Specialized Turbo Levo Expert because I don't have the strength to climb the steepest trails near me without the motor assist. Would you put the Expert into the enduro bucket because of its travel (150, I think)? Or would you put it in the downhill bucket because of its geometry and weight?
Trails out here are just top right now. We've had a little bit of rain, and then it's dried nicely. Bit of luck there'll be showers on Thursday, then bright sunshine this weekend. Send it!
Thx, new to MTB, and I'm building a starter bike to do it all, Thinking 10 speed 3x gearing with larger chainrings. And the longest travel with lock out. Maybe stay with 27.5 wheels. Wondering if anything like this is out there.
personally, I love downhill bikes better, but that's just my preferred bike as I do engage in some downhill racing so... yeah. There are lots of opinions out there and it really does depend a lot on the trails you ride, but for me, downhill all the way.
I have a devincie troy but ever since I got my downhill bike (Devincie wilson) witch all my friends told me I would never use I can't get off of it! I love it!! Dh for me 🤪🤟
XC bike for the Whistler Win ;) No - just kidding. Good summation of the differences between the two styles of bike. Looking at the Enduro Racing in California this weekend it's punishing but the bikes can take it. One can always add a token to their forks and rear shock and dial in more progression if it's really gnarly.
#askgmbn where would you put these 180mm travel bikes like the canyon torque or commencal clash. Would these bridge the gap between the versatility of enduro bikes and tankyness of downhill bikes?
Free ride bikes are lighter DH bikes, both FR and DH have suspension designs that avoid pedal kickback on big hits which results in more pedal bob so they both suck at pedaling. Cant just look at amount of travel for shitty pedalling, there’s so much to kinematics that you can have a 120mm travel bike that pedals like poo, but that would be a Walmart bike.
Thx, new to MTB, and I'm building a starter bike to do it all, Thinking 10 speed 3x gearing with larger chainrings. And the longest travel with lock out. Maybe stay with 27.5 wheels. Wondering if anything like this is out there.
"Enduro bikes have shorter travel so they're less forgiving and you'll be tired faster" Me: *Cries in hardtail (Giant Talon 2/29er w/100mil travel) hitting 15ft jumps, and double black diamond trails*
I already have a trail bike, I want a longer travel bike so I think it would be better to get a downhill since they are cheaper where I live and since I already have a bike that can do all, I would use the downhill for harder trails
I would say enduro is better because you can climb and you are fast on the decent. Big jumps or rough single trails. And with good Equipment and components you can shred downhill trails. But it is my personal opinion.
I think durability is the best reason to get a DH bike. If I smashed laps all day on my Enduro bike it wouldn't last, instead I normally do a lap or two of the bike park to warm up then pedal further up for a longer descent. When I get a DH bike I'll spend a lot more time in the park.
Too be honest enjuro bikes can do half of what a downhill bike can do but if you used a enjuro bike for sheer downhill riding yea that's the problem you don't see red bull riders using enjuro bikes they use DH bikes that are probably modified on a perfect suspension setting enjuro is basically a trail bike that can handle some downhill jumps but don't use it as a full downhill bike
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If you could only have one bike what would it be?
enduro
XC or Trail: decided by a coin flip.
Aggressive Hardtail bike😄😄
A good all mountain who can climb good and descend good, i currently own a 140/140mm,.My dream bike is a lapierre zesty AM.
A stumpjumper
I want to see a “behind the scenes”. How do those camera men get around the mountain?! I think those camera men are doing the harder work! 🤣
They (usually) use E-bikes.
Drones most the time
Who asked
@@danielalokar8760 me
If you can afford only one bike than the enduro is the obvious choice because it's so versatile and you can do literally everything. However for the park I prefer my dh bike, just makes way more fun and gives me more security.
Or have two wheel sets even if you have a more heavy bike even tho climbing would not be ideal with a 16kg bike have a single speed setup for pure downhill use and geared for going to work use but it would mean taking the derailleur off when you want to downhill maybe that's where the wireless derailleur is useful no wires just set I up for typical cross country and have another a wheel set for single speed may mean swapping to a smaller chain link system for it if you plan to take the bike out downhill set It up for it
Or should I get 180mm travel Enduro bike set it up like DH
blake has a nukeproof enduro bike and canyon downhill bike and neil is the exact opposite.
lol
Yea, isn’t it nice to be sponsored? Lucky buggers
Yannis Pop did you also notice that Blake has fox and Neil has rockshox
Trenton T true lol
First time to see Neil on a DH Bike, and he's Flying !!
He used to be a dh world cup racer. No wonder he is flying
Decision is super easy if you only have 15000 to buy both bikes 🤦♂️
Enduro if you can have 1 bike and you don't go to a bike park a lot . Enduro bike can do all
Just explained my exact situation. Have a specialized Enduro expert carbon but it is a 26 inch from 2014
Enduro is probably overkill for most people.
@@sickmak90 what do you mind by overkill ?
@@erpol9258 I agree with him, Enduro bikes are relatively heavier and have too much travel, and no remote suspension lockout usually. Sometimes you want to do climbs and ride on smoother terrain, and having 160-170mm suspension for such rides might not be optimal. I'd say XC for sure, and maybe also trail bikes are better all-around bikes.
@@Chkhenkelosaur it depend what you do obviously. Me personnally i'am more dh and enduro . I do some long ride and climb and my 170/170 bike is not the best for that but it work really good for jump, dh and enduro track.
Great channel. Can't wait to watch this one now.
Just finished the Steamboat Epic video with Si and now, I'm in for another treat !
You guys at GCN and GMBN are spoiling us ! :)
I prefer Enduro, because its more versatile
Neil’s back on a DH!
Don’t call it a comeback!
COMEBACK
My trek session is my trail bike 😂 its heavy on climbs but the way I see it itll only feel easier when I finally get an enduro 😂
2:11 that brake is in tune with the music.
😂I thought that's music
I love your videos even if I understand nothing since I'm french, it's a pleasure to watch them
lol
How have you written this this if you can't even understand them 😑
@@harry0296 google translate u know ?
Ironically Harry his English spelling is better than yours :) .
P.s Google translated
Wish I knew French and could translate into French.
The comments at the end nailed it. It's fatiguing to ride those grades, and by day 3...a DH bike is so much nicer. For mere mortals, I also think it helps you gain confidence, because you do have more forgiveness on a DH bike. That confidence translates almost directly to riding an enduro bike, and you feel more comfortable doing bigger features and more difficult tech lines.
DH bikes are just impractical. Enduro bikes have gotten so capable, that unless it's park riding exclusively, DH bikes are virtually useless. I don't think our local shops have sold more than 2-3 DH bikes a year here around Bentonville, and those are all for people who are headed out west to ride a few times a year and don't want to rent.
"You really notice how versatile" the enduro bike is, Neil says as he bottoms out the front fork in the vid...
Someday I'll keep on dreaming I'll be having my enduro bike!!!! For now I will go to sleep and dreaming that bike...
I know the feeling. Been wanting a new bike since 2009. Finally pulled the trigger and bought something a few months ago!
Gabriel Dean wow good for you man, I’m jealous. 😔
@@ianblueadventure sorry man i didn't mean for it to come across ina negative way. I just meant hopefully soon.
Save a thousand dollars and get a 4 year old enduro bike.
It’ll be much more capable than you are and you’ll have so much fun at a relatively reasonable price!
Just work a bit and you'll earn enough money.
I'd go enduro because it's better for every day riding because of the gearing but has enough suspension travel for downhill sections at bike parks
4123y9cau4maybe the same hand
Whistler demands a DH bike for almost all the mountain. I rode enduro last year and DH this year. DH all the way.
I rode there lots with a Giant Trance that I swapped in a 150mm pike on, worked great. Whistler flow trails are built so well you could prolly use a hard tail and not need much travel. The techy trails are a bit gnarly but can be done with any mid/long travel fully
@@Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged can be done is something different than can have fun
Yabut we’re talking about maybe 10-20% of the trails are “can be done” and 80-90% are still fun with mid/long travel fully. To spend $4-5 thousand on a one trick pony is dumb unless you’re racing or live there. A good enduro or aggressive trail bike can ride there and pretty much everywhere else in the world as well. Neil’s comment “this was better on the enduro” part way through says that enduros are actually more capable in some parts of the park as well. I’d take his perspective over most
Mr. ZiggedWhenHeShuddaZagged Yeah, I meant if you had to make a decision toward a single bike for Whistler, go DH. I rode a 120 on the flowy stuff last year, but still... You get mad arm pump on brake bumps, tore up tracks and extended long runs especially if you don't have DH worthy brakes. You can really send some gnar with 220 and walk away with a massive grin on day one. To each their own though.
@@Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged I was talking about those gnarly trails, and i still think that they aren't fun with 150mm. I agree with you on the other part :). I'am a racer so i'll stick to the downhill bike
@Neil "Which bike is better when you're hungover?" NICE!! important advice. great work
Balls to this, Hardtail for life!
With limited income, my primary bike is my Ibis HD4 enduro. Secondary bike to come will be an alum grab dash 29er aggressive xc hardtail w 130 travel.
Yo big up the ibis crew ✌️✌️
And what about the freeride bikes ? Shorter but still long travel, can pedal better than the DH ones, and more comfy than an enduro one :) #askgmbn
Enduro bikes are becoming free ride bikes, 170mm front and rear vs 180mm front and rear isn’t really noticeable, but the enduro lines can out pedal free rides with better suspension designs
@@Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged Wise answer, thank you 👌🏼
these days a freeride bike is just a dh bike with harder suspension and usually 26" wheels
black metal goat nah freeride bikes are 27.5
@@rudySTi go check all the bikes at loose fest, most using 26" wheels.
if i had a real mountain/hill around & a bikepark - i'd MAYBE buy a DH, but since i dont, i dont. :) & :(
thumbed up of course !
Phridz I live in Nebraska :(
All I got is tranquillity park or custom trails.
Btw you guys should go out to Moab and ride “the whole enchilada” some day. Then hit Grand junction and do “zipadee doda”.
Nice to see Neil getting some big air!
Downhill bikes are a bit more stable and confidence inspiring for jumps, but I prefer enduro bikes for tech trails.
ive been waiting for this video for ages
Me too but the answer is always the same Enduro bikes are the best :)
@@antoanangelov5672 haha
im probs going to get a dh bike though as i am going to race
I was convinced you didn't need a dh bike until i got a dh bike, never looked back haha
I love trial bike cause my first favorite bike was enduro and second was cross country(xc) and now its trial i change it by the status!!!
both bikes are pretty sick
You guys are just hypnotic! That is absolutely marvelous riding!
Downhill would obviously be better on downhill trails but the word enduro pretty much means good for everything so uphill, downhill and everyday riding
Great vid GMBN! keep it up :D
This is really fun to watch the week after coming back from whistler. Rode my enduro and only on trails like schlayer did I really wish I was on a dh. Got pretty beat up by the brake bumps tho.
"They have less travel and can be more fatigueing" Bro i rode my first park on a 1999 santa Cruz super light 1.
Guys thanks for new video :)
I have an Enduro bike and LOVE it but at the time I wanted a downhill bike, still want a downhill bike but I'll never regret my Enduro
I still love taking the 26" dh bike out still fun to blast on trails.. Enduro i use more 180mm up front 165mm on the rear. Takes the hits well. Lightweight easier to peddle on inclines. Depends more on how i'm feeling when i go for a ride which 1 i take with me
Love your videos
Depending on the build an enduro can be everything. 170mm front fork even with a 150 rear and a good set of brakes can handle a bike park no problem!
finally neil gets/rides a dh bike
Neil and Blake.... I love all the bike reviews and I love my Ripmo and Fat Bike.
I would love to see those DH bikes at Northstar in Truckee for the EWS. It’s nice and Hot and Sandy for those DH’s.
Keep Rocking the vids..... 🤘🤘🤘🤘🚴🏼♂️🚴🏼♂️🚴🏼♂️🚴🏼♂️👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🚴🏼♂️🚴🏼♂️🚴🏼♂️🚴🏼♂️
Silly question maybe! Is it possible to put a "normal" 1x11 or 12 drivetrain in the downhill bike?
Possible, but not advisable as they tend to be weaker and more maintenance intensive whilst providing little benefits to the climbing due to the seat position and weight
and a dropper
welcom back yo beautifo pepoo!
Watching from phillipines🤩
which is better for freeride in city?
Love the channel
Have both. DH and Trail bike with 160 mm travel. And honestly this summer i preffered the trailbike even at the bikeparks. Its just as fun as my downhill bike at the downhills but the big advantage it can climb.
Hallo Niels GMBN, we all watching your vlogs in Indonesia, nice tutorial for me..
Blake's bike looks so big in comparison with him. Hilarious XD
#askgmbn I'm a newbie (but old - 65!) mtb rider. I bought a Specialized Turbo Levo Expert because I don't have the strength to climb the steepest trails near me without the motor assist. Would you put the Expert into the enduro bucket because of its travel (150, I think)? Or would you put it in the downhill bucket because of its geometry and weight?
Enduro
Enduro, you can easily tell by the fact that your bike can't be a DH bike with 150mm travel.
Thanks for the vid, great help! Just off to les gets and morzine.
Trails out here are just top right now. We've had a little bit of rain, and then it's dried nicely. Bit of luck there'll be showers on Thursday, then bright sunshine this weekend. Send it!
It’s nice out here today!
very great video! thanks a lot
To answer that question once and for all: A long travel trail bike with lockout, 27,5
Maybe a 2017 Spectral...
Change my mind.
Thx, new to MTB, and I'm building a starter bike to do it all, Thinking 10 speed 3x gearing with larger chainrings. And the longest travel with lock out. Maybe stay with 27.5 wheels. Wondering if anything like this is out there.
Nice riding Blake and Neil
Great stuff #GMBN
Thinking of getting a vitus dominer 2019 version
Thoughts on it?
Or should I get an Enduro?
I don't do pedal ups tho mainly just uplifts
Your videos made me improve a lot in MTB
personally, I love downhill bikes better, but that's just my preferred bike as I do engage in some downhill racing so... yeah. There are lots of opinions out there and it really does depend a lot on the trails you ride, but for me, downhill all the way.
Both
The reason I have a downhill and not an enduro is simple, my wife got it for me, and she got a beastly Kona because she liked the colour
Downhill looks like the most fun a human can have. I want to try it but it scares the shit out of me!
I have a polygon collosus 2016 DH and I have put a bigger cluster on it so I can climb hills pritty well and ride around all the tracks in the park.
i remember Blake and Scott did this kind of comparison video in the past.🤔🤔🤔
At 4:48 blake says “rocky” which is the name of my bearded dragon so now im happy
What should I for my first expensive bike for riding armature trails, downhill or trail?
I'd like to see Blake and Neil ride the Atherton's bike park in Wales.
“Welcome back you beautiful people!” 👍
I love hardtail bike.
One of those downhill Forks has more Travel than all of my bikes travel combine
Awesome video guys! Were you both clipped in the pedals or flat?
id say flat
Nukeproof are great I’ve got a mega used to have a scout and the dissent looks peng I guess they don’t do xc but who cared bout that no fun in hills
I have a devincie troy but ever since I got my downhill bike (Devincie wilson) witch all my friends told me I would never use I can't get off of it! I love it!! Dh for me 🤪🤟
XC bike for the Whistler Win ;)
No - just kidding. Good summation of the differences between the two styles of bike. Looking at the Enduro Racing in California this weekend it's punishing but the bikes can take it.
One can always add a token to their forks and rear shock and dial in more progression if it's really gnarly.
#askgmbn where would you put these 180mm travel bikes like the canyon torque or commencal clash. Would these bridge the gap between the versatility of enduro bikes and tankyness of downhill bikes?
Slopestyle?
@@exactpeak5995 As far as I know, slopestyle bikes have short travel and small frames
Free ride bikes are lighter DH bikes, both FR and DH have suspension designs that avoid pedal kickback on big hits which results in more pedal bob so they both suck at pedaling. Cant just look at amount of travel for shitty pedalling, there’s so much to kinematics that you can have a 120mm travel bike that pedals like poo, but that would be a Walmart bike.
@@JK-xp7pg sorry, I confused freeride with slopestyle.
Great thanks!
I bought an enduro bike even though I ride shuttles, because I still want to be able to do trails outside of a resort.
I prefer skiing in the winter and down hill in the sommer … I don t like pedaling uphill … for this I like my enduro motorcycle
I have enduro with 180 160mm travel so kinda on downhill side too
Love you two together!
Thx, new to MTB, and I'm building a starter bike to do it all, Thinking 10 speed 3x gearing with larger chainrings. And the longest travel with lock out. Maybe stay with 27.5 wheels. Wondering if anything like this is out there.
Hey guys, I'm a fan from the Philippines, I just want to ask where can I purchase GMBN cycling shirt.
Enduro would be the clear choice to me, but Iam an XC guy...so I dont count
I’m wanting to start getting into EWS what’s the best way to watch it?
"Enduro bikes have shorter travel so they're less forgiving and you'll be tired faster"
Me: *Cries in hardtail (Giant Talon 2/29er w/100mil travel) hitting 15ft jumps, and double black diamond trails*
Go to Snow Shoe, WV my friends. It’s all down hill from there 😂
Enduro all the way
i can't see the difference sorry im new to bicycle
DH bike hands down at a bike park!
Finally got a gmbn jersey long sleeve
so sick!!
sick!!!
I already have a trail bike, I want a longer travel bike so I think it would be better to get a downhill since they are cheaper where I live and since I already have a bike that can do all, I would use the downhill for harder trails
I would say enduro is better because you can climb and you are fast on the decent. Big jumps or rough single trails. And with good Equipment and components you can shred downhill trails. But it is my personal opinion.
If I can only have one bike... It would be a trail bike. For all around riding it does what I need.
150mm trail bike and a DH Rig, all bases covered.
How far and how many hills? If your trails ain't too far then DH, elsewise enduro
My only issue with enduro is you can’t get away with as much as you can with a downhill
Neil, how do you like that POC armor kit? Looks like an intriguing option, should we expect a review at some point?
You should remake this with the Zeb and 38 thicc Boi Forks :D
I think durability is the best reason to get a DH bike. If I smashed laps all day on my Enduro bike it wouldn't last, instead I normally do a lap or two of the bike park to warm up then pedal further up for a longer descent. When I get a DH bike I'll spend a lot more time in the park.
Too be honest enjuro bikes can do half of what a downhill bike can do but if you used a enjuro bike for sheer downhill riding yea that's the problem you don't see red bull riders using enjuro bikes they use DH bikes that are probably modified on a perfect suspension setting enjuro is basically a trail bike that can handle some downhill jumps but don't use it as a full downhill bike